If Sepultura were getting groovy on Chaos AD in '93 and a few Nailbomb tracks in '94, the couple of years between those and Roots was just a bit more progression. Korn probably had a bit of influence but it seems like the logical progression.
I really like that Nailbomb album. Arise and Beneath The Remains are my top 2 Sepultura albums. Chaos AD and Roots are ok. After Max left I lost interest in them. Not a fan of Soulfly either but to each their own if others like it.
Okay what the hell, I’ve made dozens of videos about Martial Arts yet never knew sepultura had a video with Royce Gracie in it!! Thank you for bringing this to my attention!
I never even thought of it as nu metal I always thought it was just Death and Groove Metal. With their later stuff i always, kinda had trouble differentiating with the genres because Groove, early Nu-Metal and sometimes Death Metal just sound kinda the same.
@@LordBackuro Arise and Chaos AD for sure but Roots, Against, all the Soulfly stuff, that's Nu Metal at its core, and some of the most important developments in the sound was through Max's innovations
Machine Head has to have one of the most inconsistent discographies. They can write some amazing stuff, but Flynn is such a trend chaser. The Burning Red was a cringe fest.
Flynn just rips off whoever is the biggest band in the moment Metallica in violence And each Machinehead record or two is just them Aping Pantera, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, Lamb Of God, Trivium/Avenged Sevenfold, and Generic Melodic DeathCore nowadays in that order exactly a couple years after said band gets big
Gdamn I knew I wasn't the only one back in those days I screwed and shot dope to that record different person now but gdamn man thanks for the reply made my day my friend🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
I like numetal and rap and death metal and grindcore. I think the problem with the elitist metal heads is that they don’t allow themselves to like other things. It’s always just the traditional sound. It feels like they are afraid to step out their box 📦
I have to disagree strongly that old guard fans were saying “Metallica ruled” in the 90s. The Load/Reload era saw that band lose old-guard fans by the truckload. They just happened to gain just as many new fans (although I think Load’s sales were largely a product of the Black Album effect).
Yeah, I agree that Load was very divisive for fans of Metallica, especially those who grew up with the first four thrash albums. It's a shame that Metallica lacked an editor or someone who could call them out on their excessive tendencies. Between Load and Reload, there's material for a great 45 minute album. The rest of the songs should have never made it out of the practice room or been b-sides at most. But two 70 minute albums watered down everything to bland mediocrity. Ironically, though, I still listen to my favorite handful of songs on Load more than anything from the Black album.
Load sold 1/2 as much as The Black album, and Reload sold half as much as Load, so they didn't really get many new fans with Load. I don't think it even had many singles, except Until It Sleeps
anthrax was like the original nu metal when the put out bring the noise with public enemy. i grew up with nu metal still love it till this day. everyone hated it but people like me who love both hip hop and all heavy metal. ther isnt many of us but nu metal was the best . i love down tuned guitars but i love hip hop bars so it was the best of both worlds..
well Aerosmith did walk this way with Run DMC & Kerry king did play the Guitar solo on No sleep till Brooklyn. thats funny everyone i knew loved it, while I hated it. keep in mind the whole "down tuning" thing has been around for years Kiss even down tuned in the 70's that i didn''t know about till early 90's "Guitar magazines'
@@connorjordan3551Funny that u mention Faith No More... I quote my fav line of Anthrax' I'm The Man 91from Attack Of The Killer B's "All you new jacks "what Is It?," you're kidding me, get off our dicks." I'm no fan of Faith No More, but when I saw them open for Metallica on the Damaged Justice tour (AJ4A) in 89 their show was lackluster & quite booring, so much that the dude on vocals told the audience "everyone stand up who is NOT in a coma." It's not that they sucked, it was that they lacked energy & it seemed as though they were just going through the motions, like we were watching a Fairh No More practice session. Towards the end of their show James Hetfield came out from backstage to play War Pigs with FNM. The audience stood up and cheered for a bit, but as soon as James left the stage everyone sat back down and ignored FNM again. ✌☮️
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No public enemy and especially run DMC did it first then came anthrax
@@jaymzb.1713 When I saw AJFA, Queensryche opened and everyone booed. I think all the fans during that tour were just hardcore there for metallica, there was something different about them
I would love to see a "Nu Metal Bands in the Mid-2000s (and Beyond)" video documenting how these bands carried on after the genre became a punchline around 2001. It might be fun to see which bands adopted a more homogeneous, rock radio-friendly sound, which ones pivoted to a whole new style, and which ones seemed to fall off the earth.
In 2002 Hypocrisy, the swedish death metal band, went Nu metal. Catch 22 is the most Slipknot sounding album that was ever released after 2001. And it wasn't even Slipknot who did it, what a legend Peter Tägtgren is.
I shamelessly love Nu-Metal. Have since the very first time we all ever heard the sounds of Korn, Deftones, LB, Slipknot, Sevendust, SOAD, yada yada. Funky ass grooved out rap infused Metal just hits me perfectly. Always has, always will 🤘🏻
Sepultura was my first show I saw with Fear Factory, Slayer and OZZY. First Ozzfest in 1996 CA. Max was into tribal influences as he carried on with Soulfly who I've seen 6 times. He made the mix work.
An interesting point being missed here is that Judgment Night (the soundtrack with rock and rap stars dueting) came out an entire year before Korn released their first record. Slayer joins Ice T on that particular soundtrack. Also of note should be bands like Suicidal Tendencies or Mike Muir's other project Infectious Grooves that were using a lot of these elements way before then. Nu Metal was a thing, but it wasn't as all encompassing as its being made out to be.
Man, this video just reminded me of how deep I got sucked into Nu-Metal. Like with Machine Head, it's funny how much I listened to The Burning Red when it came out, but in the last 25 years, I really only ever jam Burn My Eyes with any frequency. Davidian is still one of the best songs ever made, which is such a sharp contrast to From This Day's almost poppish sound.
I was huge into Machine Head during their Through The Ashes and The Blackening era. I was already a fan before those albums. Burn My Eyes was the first MH album I downloaded from Kazaa. Now days BME is the only Machine Head album I go back to listen too. Still not one song I skip.
This Video reminded me on how much I Hated it, Blew my mind of how my Friends liked stuff slower & chugger & with Less guitar solos. it was pathetic & ill always like 80's Thrash metal / traditional Heavy Metal , regardless of what's the "new thing"
Burn My Eyes is easily Machine Head's best album and is the only album I listen to by them once in awhile. Davidian is a great song. I remember they toured with Slayer around that time. '95 or there abouts.
The next video you should do is: "Swedish death metal: from Nihilist to At the Gates to melodeath". The course of this music, going from real old school death metal to innovative death metal, then become the pop version of death, with clean choruses etc, becoming so over-used, that nowadays it's basically the entry level of extreme metal.
I remember Devin Townsend saying in an interview, that he decided not to sign a contract with Roadrunner back in the day because it had clauses about having to sound like Type O Negative (at the time, their most popular band) within two albums. I think this explains a lot about bands like Machine Head who were signed to that label during nu-metal's peak. (Also explains why the last song on Fear Factory's Demanufacture sounds suspiciously influenced by Type O)
Great video. Not sure why you're getting so much grief. I think people see "nu metal" and immediately see red. These are great albums and you have a very balanced perspective on them
Nu Metal is the same as hair metal in the sense that to authentic metal heads, it's a cuss word. When a heavy metal filmmaker said Anthrax inspired Rap metal,Scott Ian Immediately back pedalled and said " we don't take credit or BLAME for rap metal. Look at Faith no More." LOL!!! In short, don't blame Anthrax!!!
I see RED because there's so many other Metal bands out there that were awesome & didn't get promoted by MTV, Like Over Kill, Testament & others. to this day bands keep putting out lame ass shit that sounds the same & people eat it up.
You know ross Robinson used to be a thrash musician don't you? And roots, sepultra had just toured with godflesh and was into the primal groove of Justin broadrick's work. Justin was sampling stuff before korn etc.
A little trivia about Ross Robinson: in the early 80's he was the guitarist for a female fronted LA based thrash band called Detente. Check out their album "Recognize No Authority".
Volume 8 is an overlooked Anthrax gem. I remember lots of people had "opinions" about it when it came out, but I also wonder how many people actually even heard it. Their label at the time went out of business within weeks of the album's release and it was out of print in no time. There's four songs on there that I consider among the best they've ever done: "Crush", "Catharsis", "Big Fat" and Frank Bello's haunting ode to his murdered brother "Pieces". If anything, Anthrax was probably feeling a Pantera vibe since those two bands were good friends. But let me reassure those who never heard it, Volume 8 is a very very good Anthrax album.
Yea they were definitely leaning for Pantera since Dimebag did the solo on Inside Out and Phil Anselmo did backing vocals on Killing Box on this album.
@@jayman9910 and totally understandable. Scott Ian's books detail just how much those two bands loved each other in the 90s, both as musicians and as friends.
Turning 50 in, jeebus hahaha, 4 days and I still have a soft spot for a bunch of nu metal stuff. Which honestly for me isn't that odd given I've been a hip hop head as long as I've been a metal head.
I didn't like nu metal when it first hit the scene. Some bands I dug, but for the most part I hated. But, it has for sure grown on me over the years and I've ended up liking more than I thought I would. Either way, say what you will about nu metal, but at least it was diverse. Unlike deathcore, slam, djent and other modern metal. Most of that shit is monotonous, cookie cutter shit.
I’m not ashamed to say that Nu Metal was a defining moment for me coming into my teens in the late 90s. I was heavily bullied and I was just so angry and depressed and I FINALLY found a proper outlet for my frustrations growing up as a tween/teen in the late 90s-early 2000s. The music gave me a voice when I was voiceless. Instead of hurting myself and possibly others, I turned to the music to help alleviate all those negative feelings and found some awesome friends along the way who were just like me. I didn’t feel alone anymore 😊😊
I agree, nu metal is the defining moment for us teens in late 90's, we found a comfort in nu metal for us is not fit for mainstream people who like boy bands, Pop teen stars and hiphop
Everyone claims that Slayer album is nu-metal and its far from it. They put them in this boat all the time. Why, cause there's a couple slower songs?? They were doing that 2 decades earlier. Im not a diehard Slayer fan, but, I've always considered it stupid. They are one of the few bands that didnt sell out.
I would say diabolica is definitely nu-metal influenced you can hear they are going for a “groove”rather than thrash.they tried and ride the wave at the time like kiss when they went disco
No it's not really nu-metal and I wouldn't say they sold out, they just went to schitt. Everything they've done since the 80's has been straight garbage as far as I'm concerned. When it comes to Slayer and I want a little 80's metal nostalgia blast I'm reaching for one of their first 4 only. By the 90's we already had black and death metal we didn't need any of this commercial nonsense.
Machine Head- you have to mention Logan Mader leaving and Ahrue Luster coming in on guitars. Have to mention the image change- the hair, the clothes. It was a massive shock. Could have followed up Sepultura with Soulfly featuring Fred Durst.
The hair, anyway. By 1993, most of the West Coast metal and hardcore bands dressed like rappers/ravers already. Although maybe they added a touch more Adidas, specifically.... 😅
I don’t get why people hate on nu-metal so much. Them were great years in metal. Beats tf out of literally anything coming out today. Get over yourselves 🥴
Really enjoyed hearing the thoughts. With Machine Head's 'Exile the Vile', they managed a song that's one of my favourite groove-meets-nu metal songs. The slow, building opening, one of their best riffs, and Rob sounding genuinely cathartic on the vocals. It reminds me of Devildriver's 'Clouds Over California' -coming out some years later from an artist going (or more like gone) the other way from nu metal into groove metal.
Maybe because they were such a big influence on bands like Korn but Songs of Love and Hate by Godflesh definitely has that vibe that was another 96 album.
Stomp442 was an amazing album, they were so versatile in the 90s with John bush. Machine heads first 4 albums were good, when they went prog is when they went bad.
I know for many metalheads it's a blasphemy but for me Anthrax's Stomp 442 is one of the best. Probably because Jey's vocal is too "soft" for me and I really like what different vocalist have done.
Hey man! This is a great apreciation on some good music that went down hill because of the labeling industry. I believe the most important thing to do is just listen to music. Thanks to you i will now go to listen to Volume 8, never thought to do so but i liked the single. Roots is a solid one and i never realized how soon on the Nu Metal wave it came out. Cheers man 🤘
It's important to note that Diabolus in Musica came after their album of hardcore punk covers and listening to some of their song, I think it's clear they also took from hardcore at that time too.
Let's be real, Korn was probably heavily influenced by Sepultura's Chaos AD. Sepultura was already progressing to sludge metal, tribal sounding stuff. You mentioned it, but you still say Roots was influenced by Korn. I think Sepultura was leaning heavy that way snd when they heard the production on Korns album they knew who could help them get the sound Max was looking for and they got in touch with the people who produced Korns sound. The only difference in Chaos and Roots is the major production. Put Roots out with the same production as Chaos and its just a more raw sound but the same album.
Personally, “God Hates Us All” is more nu metal. Why? Guitar World interview a month before the album dropped has Kerry saying they deliberately limited things like trade-off leads and such in favor of an approach seen in bands like Slipknot.
I still like to listen to some of the lesser known nu metal bands like Downer, Five Point O, 36 Crazyfists (early), 40 Below Summer, DownTheSun, Anyone, Sinch etc.
I still can't believe Machine Head got away with The Burning Red. Not even because it's a terrible album - good bands survive bad records all the time - but because (like fans of a lot of genres, such as punk and hip-hop) metal fans really care about authenticity and The Burning Red REEKED of inauthenticity.
Funny you mentioned ross with the burning red lmao. There was an interview right when it was released that he fought with Robb Flynn constantly about the rapping, the nu metal stuff, said he wanted nothing to do with that.
The Machine Head part is funny. At the time I didn't see it at a major departure in sound, because I always had seen them as being part of the new movement. But listening back, outside of historical context...wow. Just wow.
You should have absolutely included Machine Head, but not because they went from 'groove metal' to nu-metal, but because Machine Head's founder and lead songwriter and singer is Robb Flynn, guitarist for the thrash band Vio-Lence. He left Thrash and saw what Pantera and Fear Factory were doing and kind of went for a hybrid of that, and then he saw Nu Metal selling records and released The Burning Red and went FULL on Nu-metal. Robb 'Ridding the tide' Flynn.. Honestly, it's not a terrible album. I do dig a good bit of songs on it, but when he is rapping, it does get a little cringey.
SLAYER DID NOT GO NU-METAL!!!! you're gonna tell me JEFF HANNEMAN does nu-metal?! Cause HE wrote 90% of 'Diabolus'. It's Groove Metal In The Vein Of PANTERA.
Believe it kid, even Kerry admitted that he was getting into Slipknot and Early Chimaira (who played Nu Metal at the time) when they made Diablos and God Hates Us All.
Groove metal, nu-metal, what's the difference? It's all garbage. In the vein of Pantera or the vein of Slipknot or the vein of Korn, either way it's in the vein of some crap I would never listen to.
There is another nu metal band that I became a huge fan of which was Reveille from Massachusetts 98-99 and I got to see them with machine head when they were promoting the burning red album that concert was legendary in my opinion in Austin Tx
What caused Machine Head more problems was the LOOK in addition to style. I like several songs on The Burning Red(then again; I'm a metalhead that didn't hate everything about NU). Supercharger was much worse. But the LOOK. Honestly, I think the Loads from Metallica got as much or more shit because of their look at the time. If they kept the Black album look, they'd have heard less crap. That shouldn't be the case, but it is.
I love 1998 Slayer so much. I understand that technically it’s kinda nu metal but it has such a specific atmosphere and character what make it special for me.
Hey, what is the name of the Machine Head song?? That sounds pretty good!! Speaking of metal bands covering songs by The Police, Anthrax did a cover of The Police song Ghost, I think it was a B-Side on a single off of The We've Come for you All album, but maybe from Stomp 442, either way that is a very cool cover.
It was the B-Side of Taking the Music Back, off of WCFYA. Another really cool cover from that recording session is their cover of the song Exit by U2. The John Bush era Anthrax is really good, at least I have found it to be. I can see why some don't find either iteration of Anthrax that good though, but it's hard to admit the two new albums with Joey back aren't awesome. Worship Music and For all Kings are absolute monsters of albums. I'm going to have to ck out more Machine Head.
I think the very strong and vocal hatred so many metal fans had for nu metal is one of the things that ended rock music's cultural relevance. Similar to the way so many traditional jazz fans and critics piled hatred on top of Bitches Brew and other early fusion albums. Also, I never really understood the intense hatred for nu metal. I liked some bands and disliked others but it was just music made by people blending their influences. Thrash metal was made by guys who came of age in the 1970s and early 80s bringing together their love of Judas Priest, Motorhead, Black Sabbath, and early hardcore punk. Nu metal was made by guys who came of age in the 1980s and early 90s bringing together their love of thrash, crossover, later hardcore, goth, hip hop, and the early Seattle bands.
Roots really touched on something that’s hard to explain. I remember when it came out and I loved it. It’s really raw (even if it’s produced to sound that way) but I think Max nailed his obsession with blending metal with tribal percussion and that primitive ‘caveman’ vibe that really started on Chaos A.D. I mean he went on to Soulfly and the ‘Primitive’ album is basically Roots Part II 😂
Never really got into Nu Metal other than the band Sevendust. Saw them open for Megadeth in the late 90s and their performance impressed me. I love Groove Metal though. Bands like Pantera and Exhorder's album The Law for example. By the mid 90s I was into Thrash, Death, and Groove Metal so maybe that's why I never really got into Nu Metal. Not trying to be elitist, it's just what I was into at the time. I know a lot of people started out listening to Nu Metal and then got into other Metal genres which is great.
Grew up with Nu Metal music and will always love it. It's just fun as fuck. Thanks to Nu metal, I got into way heavier bands when I was younger. But I can get why the old people don't like it. It's radically different from metal before this. But it sounds dope. Slayer sounds dope with thrash and Nu metal. XD
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If Sepultura were getting groovy on Chaos AD in '93 and a few Nailbomb tracks in '94, the couple of years between those and Roots was just a bit more progression. Korn probably had a bit of influence but it seems like the logical progression.
Sepultura were a huge influence on Nu Metal, though. But the "Korn version" of Nu Metal, well, Max himself said it was a big influence for Roots.
I’d argue Sepultura started getting groovy in Arise. A couple of the tracks on there are really groovy.
I actually found a copy of chaos AD on a payphone back in '94 and I still own that CD to this day lol
They had also toured with godflesh, who were doing the primal groove thing.
I really like that Nailbomb album. Arise and Beneath The Remains are my top 2 Sepultura albums. Chaos AD and Roots are ok. After Max left I lost interest in them. Not a fan of Soulfly either but to each their own if others like it.
Still crankin' ROOTS at the gym till this day; even in my 40s. That album got me good.
Dictatorshit at the end must be pretty brutal
Okay what the hell, I’ve made dozens of videos about Martial Arts yet never knew sepultura had a video with Royce Gracie in it!! Thank you for bringing this to my attention!
First thing I noticed! Then again when that video was in heavy rotation I wasn’t into MMA. Love your channel, btw!
@@Fyodor_Brostojetski thanks man!
I look back at their video for *Attitude* now and think "I wonder how many people recognized the cameo appearance from a UFC champion".
I would argue that Sepultura's chaos ad was an eye opener for alot of people.
In my opinion it was leaning toward "numetal"
It predated Korn
it definitely had some hardcore punk/crust aggression in it and some tribal elements emerged there
possibly the most caveman groove metal at the time
It was groove thrash
Korn themselves were massively influenced by Chaos so that's accurate.
The ironic thing about people who think Sepultura sold out "Going Nu Metal" when they actually helped create it
I never even thought of it as nu metal
I always thought it was just Death and Groove Metal.
With their later stuff i always, kinda had trouble differentiating with the genres because Groove, early Nu-Metal and sometimes Death Metal just sound kinda the same.
@@LordBackuro Arise and Chaos AD for sure but Roots, Against, all the Soulfly stuff, that's Nu Metal at its core, and some of the most important developments in the sound was through Max's innovations
they blatantly ripped of Korn
Groove metal is nu metals bastard stepfather
@@joeforster2255Korn was obviously influenced by Sepeltura
Machine Head has to have one of the most inconsistent discographies. They can write some amazing stuff, but Flynn is such a trend chaser. The Burning Red was a cringe fest.
Flynn just rips off whoever is the biggest band in the moment
Metallica in violence
And each Machinehead record or two is just them Aping Pantera, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, Lamb Of God, Trivium/Avenged Sevenfold, and Generic Melodic DeathCore nowadays in that order exactly a couple years after said band gets big
Sorry my friend but I luved the burning red killer in my opinion but it was what it was
@@leonbowen6567hell yeah the burning red was a complete masterpiece imo. Used to screw to that shit .. good times
Gdamn I knew I wasn't the only one back in those days I screwed and shot dope to that record different person now but gdamn man thanks for the reply made my day my friend🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
I like numetal and rap and death metal and grindcore. I think the problem with the elitist metal heads is that they don’t allow themselves to like other things. It’s always just the traditional sound. It feels like they are afraid to step out their box 📦
I have to disagree strongly that old guard fans were saying “Metallica ruled” in the 90s. The Load/Reload era saw that band lose old-guard fans by the truckload. They just happened to gain just as many new fans (although I think Load’s sales were largely a product of the Black Album effect).
Yeah, I agree that Load was very divisive for fans of Metallica, especially those who grew up with the first four thrash albums. It's a shame that Metallica lacked an editor or someone who could call them out on their excessive tendencies. Between Load and Reload, there's material for a great 45 minute album. The rest of the songs should have never made it out of the practice room or been b-sides at most. But two 70 minute albums watered down everything to bland mediocrity.
Ironically, though, I still listen to my favorite handful of songs on Load more than anything from the Black album.
I concur, a an ''old metal fan'' I was def not counting of the old guarde, to do something relevant in the mid 90s.
Metallica followed Load/reload era with the covers album with the garage ep added. That was a good move to keep the old skool fans happy.
Load sold 1/2 as much as The Black album, and Reload sold half as much as Load, so they didn't really get many new fans with Load. I don't think it even had many singles, except Until It Sleeps
@@Gregbaltzeriirc it had Until It Sleeps, King Nothing, Mama Said, and Reload had The Memory Remains, Fuel, and Unforgiven II.
anthrax was like the original nu metal when the put out bring the noise with public enemy. i grew up with nu metal still love it till this day. everyone hated it but people like me who love both hip hop and all heavy metal. ther isnt many of us but nu metal was the best . i love down tuned guitars but i love hip hop bars so it was the best of both worlds..
and everyone forgets Body Count, and how long they've been around.
well Aerosmith did walk this way with Run DMC & Kerry king did play the Guitar solo on No sleep till Brooklyn.
thats funny everyone i knew loved it, while I hated it. keep in mind the whole "down tuning" thing has been around for years Kiss even down tuned in the 70's
that i didn''t know about till early 90's "Guitar magazines'
@@Aeis_Kalt Ice T is one of the best Rappers & song writers ever, But i never got into Body count.
@@MetalHeart8787Iommi played in c# standard on master of reality and other albums after that in the 70s too
@@Aeis_Kalt Body Count wasnt nu metal at all !
Anthrax pioneered the rap & metal mix that became nu metal. I'm the Man, Bring the Noise, they were at the forefront.
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That, and Faith No More
@@connorjordan3551Funny that u mention Faith No More... I quote my fav line of Anthrax' I'm The Man 91from Attack Of The Killer B's "All you new jacks "what Is It?," you're kidding me, get off our dicks."
I'm no fan of Faith No More, but when I saw them open for Metallica on the Damaged Justice tour (AJ4A) in 89 their show was lackluster & quite booring, so much that the dude on vocals told the audience "everyone stand up who is NOT in a coma." It's not that they sucked, it was that they lacked energy & it seemed as though they were just going through the motions, like we were watching a Fairh No More practice session. Towards the end of their show James Hetfield came out from backstage to play War Pigs with FNM. The audience stood up and cheered for a bit, but as soon as James left the stage everyone sat back down and ignored FNM again.
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No public enemy and especially run DMC did it first then came anthrax
@@jaymzb.1713 When I saw AJFA, Queensryche opened and everyone booed.
I think all the fans during that tour were just hardcore there for metallica, there was something different about them
I would love to see a "Nu Metal Bands in the Mid-2000s (and Beyond)" video documenting how these bands carried on after the genre became a punchline around 2001. It might be fun to see which bands adopted a more homogeneous, rock radio-friendly sound, which ones pivoted to a whole new style, and which ones seemed to fall off the earth.
In 2002 Hypocrisy, the swedish death metal band, went Nu metal.
Catch 22 is the most Slipknot sounding album that was ever released after 2001. And it wasn't even Slipknot who did it, what a legend Peter Tägtgren is.
Tätgren also had a Rammstein-clone side project named Pain. He was kind of a late trend chaser.
@@VuotoPneumaNN if the only pain song you've listened to is S**cide machine, ill get the Rammstein clone side project thingy.
I shamelessly love Nu-Metal. Have since the very first time we all ever heard the sounds of Korn, Deftones, LB, Slipknot, Sevendust, SOAD, yada yada. Funky ass grooved out rap infused Metal just hits me perfectly. Always has, always will 🤘🏻
Sepultura was my first show I saw with Fear Factory, Slayer and OZZY. First Ozzfest in 1996 CA. Max was into tribal influences as he carried on with Soulfly who I've seen 6 times. He made the mix work.
That was your first gig?
Wow great way to start... 🤣🤘🤘
@@McRcFlyfor real goddamn
And he never did those godawful emo/goth nu-metal vocals...although neither did Korn.
An interesting point being missed here is that Judgment Night (the soundtrack with rock and rap stars dueting) came out an entire year before Korn released their first record. Slayer joins Ice T on that particular soundtrack. Also of note should be bands like Suicidal Tendencies or Mike Muir's other project Infectious Grooves that were using a lot of these elements way before then. Nu Metal was a thing, but it wasn't as all encompassing as its being made out to be.
All I can say is wow and you have a new subscriber. Can't wait for the next episode.
Man, this video just reminded me of how deep I got sucked into Nu-Metal. Like with Machine Head, it's funny how much I listened to The Burning Red when it came out, but in the last 25 years, I really only ever jam Burn My Eyes with any frequency. Davidian is still one of the best songs ever made, which is such a sharp contrast to From This Day's almost poppish sound.
I was huge into Machine Head during their Through The Ashes and The Blackening era. I was already a fan before those albums. Burn My Eyes was the first MH album I downloaded from Kazaa. Now days BME is the only Machine Head album I go back to listen too. Still not one song I skip.
This Video reminded me on how much I Hated it, Blew my mind of how my Friends liked stuff slower & chugger & with Less guitar solos.
it was pathetic & ill always like 80's Thrash metal / traditional Heavy Metal , regardless of what's the "new thing"
Burn My Eyes is easily Machine Head's best album and is the only album I listen to by them once in awhile. Davidian is a great song. I remember they toured with Slayer around that time. '95 or there abouts.
@butchvito Real eyes realize real lies! Such greatness front to back.
The next video you should do is: "Swedish death metal: from Nihilist to At the Gates to melodeath". The course of this music, going from real old school death metal to innovative death metal, then become the pop version of death, with clean choruses etc, becoming so over-used, that nowadays it's basically the entry level of extreme metal.
I remember Devin Townsend saying in an interview, that he decided not to sign a contract with Roadrunner back in the day because it had clauses about having to sound like Type O Negative (at the time, their most popular band) within two albums.
I think this explains a lot about bands like Machine Head who were signed to that label during nu-metal's peak. (Also explains why the last song on Fear Factory's Demanufacture sounds suspiciously influenced by Type O)
I’ll take classic Strapping Young Lad over any Korn album
Man that is wild
Great video. Not sure why you're getting so much grief. I think people see "nu metal" and immediately see red. These are great albums and you have a very balanced perspective on them
Nu Metal is the same as hair metal in the sense that to authentic metal heads, it's a cuss word. When a heavy metal filmmaker said Anthrax inspired Rap metal,Scott Ian Immediately back pedalled and said " we don't take credit or BLAME for rap metal. Look at Faith no More." LOL!!! In short, don't blame Anthrax!!!
I see RED because there's so many other Metal bands out there that were awesome & didn't get promoted by MTV,
Like Over Kill, Testament & others. to this day bands keep putting out lame ass shit that sounds the same & people eat it up.
You know ross Robinson used to be a thrash musician don't you? And roots, sepultra had just toured with godflesh and was into the primal groove of Justin broadrick's work. Justin was sampling stuff before korn etc.
Good video, hey, can you do a video of Punk bands that went glam, like TSOL and Discharge, thanks
Still don't think Slayer ever went Nu Metal.
Likewise brother. Also, Diabolus is an awesome fucking album.
I agree. Calling Diabolus a Nu Metal album is a big stretch.
God hates us was their korny album
Diabolos is Groove thrash
I definetely can hear a lot of Korn on Diabolus and God Hate Us All
man i love your channel, thanks youtube recommended for showing me this
keep uploading bro
The way people talked about Diabolis in Musica you would have thought Slayer hired a DJ and Tom Araya was beat boxing on it.
That is a shit Slayer album though
This is a great video so far haha
I love Roots and Bring The Noise, and Diabolus is not as bad as people make it out to be
I agree. Diabolous wasn't that bad. Stain of Mind is actually a really good song.
I hated Roots when it came out, Diabolus is Terrible. This is why Over Kill & Exodus are the most respected band out there
Nah diabolus is just ass
A little trivia about Ross Robinson: in the early 80's he was the guitarist for a female fronted LA based thrash band called Detente. Check out their album "Recognize No Authority".
Man I remember detente lol. I hadn't heard that name in 30 years.
Volume 8 is an overlooked Anthrax gem. I remember lots of people had "opinions" about it when it came out, but I also wonder how many people actually even heard it. Their label at the time went out of business within weeks of the album's release and it was out of print in no time. There's four songs on there that I consider among the best they've ever done: "Crush", "Catharsis", "Big Fat" and Frank Bello's haunting ode to his murdered brother "Pieces". If anything, Anthrax was probably feeling a Pantera vibe since those two bands were good friends. But let me reassure those who never heard it, Volume 8 is a very very good Anthrax album.
Yea they were definitely leaning for Pantera since Dimebag did the solo on Inside Out and Phil Anselmo did backing vocals on Killing Box on this album.
@@jayman9910 and totally understandable. Scott Ian's books detail just how much those two bands loved each other in the 90s, both as musicians and as friends.
Remember the day I got Volume 8. Best Buy in Denver. Didn't;t realize they had a new album at that time. Very underrated album. Still listen to it.
According to experts and observers, they did it all for the nookie.
New sub here keep the quality content coming mate, cheers from Australia
I'm old. I thought nu metal was a breath of fresh air. In retrospect, I still think it was a very good thing.
Well I would take it over alot of the djent and cheap breakdowns that are popular today
You are right I liked a lot of the NU Metal bands obviously it had an influence on the old guard of metal bands
Turning 50 in, jeebus hahaha, 4 days and I still have a soft spot for a bunch of nu metal stuff.
Which honestly for me isn't that odd given I've been a hip hop head as long as I've been a metal head.
Totally agree..
I didn't like nu metal when it first hit the scene. Some bands I dug, but for the most part I hated. But, it has for sure grown on me over the years and I've ended up liking more than I thought I would. Either way, say what you will about nu metal, but at least it was diverse. Unlike deathcore, slam, djent and other modern metal. Most of that shit is monotonous, cookie cutter shit.
Thanks for shouting out DIABOLUS IN MUSICA, which slaps.
I’m not ashamed to say that Nu Metal was a defining moment for me coming into my teens in the late 90s. I was heavily bullied and I was just so angry and depressed and I FINALLY found a proper outlet for my frustrations growing up as a tween/teen in the late 90s-early 2000s. The music gave me a voice when I was voiceless. Instead of hurting myself and possibly others, I turned to the music to help alleviate all those negative feelings and found some awesome friends along the way who were just like me. I didn’t feel alone anymore 😊😊
I agree, nu metal is the defining moment for us teens in late 90's, we found a comfort in nu metal for us is not fit for mainstream people who like boy bands, Pop teen stars and hiphop
Forbidden - Distorted is a great example. What a great record and a great transition to Nu and well-done.
Wonderful video. ❤️
Roots is a god tier song!! this is the channel I wanted to make 10 years ago! excellent content subbed!
great video and analysis
You forgot one quite important record. St. Anger by Metallica is a very nu-metal record in my opinion and I love it.
From point of view of adapting their sound to nu-metal Metallica definitely were slowpokes. They released St. Agner when nu-metal began dying out.
I wish metallica would "retire" lars
@@DurkheadI wish they would just retire in general. Their new album sux
Lars wanted it so bad to be nu metal...
Everyone claims that Slayer album is nu-metal and its far from it. They put them in this boat all the time. Why, cause there's a couple slower songs?? They were doing that 2 decades earlier. Im not a diehard Slayer fan, but, I've always considered it stupid. They are one of the few bands that didnt sell out.
I would say diabolica is definitely nu-metal influenced you can hear they are going for a “groove”rather than thrash.they tried and ride the wave at the time like kiss when they went disco
No it's not really nu-metal and I wouldn't say they sold out, they just went to schitt. Everything they've done since the 80's has been straight garbage as far as I'm concerned. When it comes to Slayer and I want a little 80's metal nostalgia blast I'm reaching for one of their first 4 only. By the 90's we already had black and death metal we didn't need any of this commercial nonsense.
great video here.
Machine Head- you have to mention Logan Mader leaving and Ahrue Luster coming in on guitars. Have to mention the image change- the hair, the clothes. It was a massive shock. Could have followed up Sepultura with Soulfly featuring Fred Durst.
Also Fear Factory added Nu Metal elements for Digimortal in particular and did the Cypress Hill stuff
Machine Head? Image change?
So that wasn’t Rob Flynn wearing cornrows & hip-hop style fashions in the video to Davidian?
The hair, anyway. By 1993, most of the West Coast metal and hardcore bands dressed like rappers/ravers already. Although maybe they added a touch more Adidas, specifically.... 😅
Food for thought. Groove comment soon but this is well done 👏👏👏
Slayer's Diabolus was the first album of theirs I'd ever heard, still love it
You have Real talent for content brotha - another fantastic video ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
I don’t get why people hate on nu-metal so much.
Them were great years in metal. Beats tf out of literally anything coming out today.
Get over yourselves 🥴
Their was NEVER as much richness or variety in heavy music than that period.
All bands had their own sound & we’re trying to push the envelope
To get straight to the point: Corny and one-note riffs, edgy teenager/screamo imagery and boring generic whining lyrics.
Really enjoyed hearing the thoughts. With Machine Head's 'Exile the Vile', they managed a song that's one of my favourite groove-meets-nu metal songs. The slow, building opening, one of their best riffs, and Rob sounding genuinely cathartic on the vocals. It reminds me of Devildriver's 'Clouds Over California' -coming out some years later from an artist going (or more like gone) the other way from nu metal into groove metal.
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Tritone is not a chord; it’s an interval
I like when Voivod or Godflesh used Tritone chords but not sloppy nu metal
Maybe because they were such a big influence on bands like Korn but Songs of Love and Hate by Godflesh definitely has that vibe that was another 96 album.
More of these videos pls
Stomp442 was an amazing album, they were so versatile in the 90s with John bush. Machine heads first 4 albums were good, when they went prog is when they went bad.
I know for many metalheads it's a blasphemy but for me Anthrax's Stomp 442 is one of the best. Probably because Jey's vocal is too "soft" for me and I really like what different vocalist have done.
John bush is a FAR better vocalist than Joey Belladonna.
Roots is a underrated and is fire
Hey man! This is a great apreciation on some good music that went down hill because of the labeling industry. I believe the most important thing to do is just listen to music. Thanks to you i will now go to listen to Volume 8, never thought to do so but i liked the single. Roots is a solid one and i never realized how soon on the Nu Metal wave it came out. Cheers man 🤘
That 'Roots' video reminds me of (M.C.) Hammers Pumps and A Bump video. :)
Godflesh 1999 LP was their own sound but still incorporates nu/groove metal aesthetics
The fact that max was wearing a deftones shirt 🤘
It's important to note that Diabolus in Musica came after their album of hardcore punk covers and listening to some of their song, I think it's clear they also took from hardcore at that time too.
Btw dude you sound just like Anthony Keidis when you speak. Great videos
in the 2000s Slayer and Kreator returned to good old thrash metal
Let's be real, Korn was probably heavily influenced by Sepultura's Chaos AD. Sepultura was already progressing to sludge metal, tribal sounding stuff. You mentioned it, but you still say Roots was influenced by Korn. I think Sepultura was leaning heavy that way snd when they heard the production on Korns album they knew who could help them get the sound Max was looking for and they got in touch with the people who produced Korns sound. The only difference in Chaos and Roots is the major production. Put Roots out with the same production as Chaos and its just a more raw sound but the same album.
solid break down
Personally, “God Hates Us All” is more nu metal. Why? Guitar World interview a month before the album dropped has Kerry saying they deliberately limited things like trade-off leads and such in favor of an approach seen in bands like Slipknot.
Nu metal is just the evolution of music I luv it but I'm 45 so I also luv overkill, testament, slayer all the classics metal bands
diabolus in musica is actually one of slayer's loudest albums
I still like to listen to some of the lesser known nu metal bands like Downer, Five Point O, 36 Crazyfists (early), 40 Below Summer, DownTheSun, Anyone, Sinch etc.
Same. A lot of those bands have great material.
I still can't believe Machine Head got away with The Burning Red. Not even because it's a terrible album - good bands survive bad records all the time - but because (like fans of a lot of genres, such as punk and hip-hop) metal fans really care about authenticity and The Burning Red REEKED of inauthenticity.
Funny you mentioned ross with the burning red lmao. There was an interview right when it was released that he fought with Robb Flynn constantly about the rapping, the nu metal stuff, said he wanted nothing to do with that.
very well done thank you
The Machine Head part is funny. At the time I didn't see it at a major departure in sound, because I always had seen them as being part of the new movement. But listening back, outside of historical context...wow. Just wow.
Tritone is an interval, not a chord
I didn't realise these were all originally school bands 😮
Idk where you’d put it but I always thought Fates Warning’s output in the 90s was really eyebrow raising
I think Anthrax was borrowing way more from Helmet than nu metal at that time. And Helmet rules so that's awesome.
Sidenote: the solo on "Inside Out" from Anthrax was played by Dimebag Darrel.
You should have absolutely included Machine Head, but not because they went from 'groove metal' to nu-metal, but because Machine Head's founder and lead songwriter and singer is Robb Flynn, guitarist for the thrash band Vio-Lence. He left Thrash and saw what Pantera and Fear Factory were doing and kind of went for a hybrid of that, and then he saw Nu Metal selling records and released The Burning Red and went FULL on Nu-metal. Robb 'Ridding the tide' Flynn..
Honestly, it's not a terrible album. I do dig a good bit of songs on it, but when he is rapping, it does get a little cringey.
SLAYER DID NOT GO NU-METAL!!!! you're gonna tell me JEFF HANNEMAN does nu-metal?! Cause HE wrote 90% of 'Diabolus'. It's Groove Metal In The Vein Of PANTERA.
Believe it kid, even Kerry admitted that he was getting into Slipknot and Early Chimaira (who played Nu Metal at the time) when they made Diablos and God Hates Us All.
Groove metal, nu-metal, what's the difference? It's all garbage. In the vein of Pantera or the vein of Slipknot or the vein of Korn, either way it's in the vein of some crap I would never listen to.
Kerry would have a word with that
@@whitenoise4537 cool story grandpa
Kinda unfair to bag on Anthrax for "going nu-metal" when they were recording and touring with Public Enemy at the dawn of the 1990's.
Now should do one about nu metal musicians who went metalcore in the mid 00s
Robb Flynn just chases popularity. He has no real identity. That why i stopped listening to them. He is the definition of poser.
There is another nu metal band that I became a huge fan of which was Reveille from Massachusetts 98-99 and I got to see them with machine head when they were promoting the burning red album that concert was legendary in my opinion in Austin Tx
Cool channel brother 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
It's sad what happened with Sepultura. I don't like Roots, but they were going to be the biggest metal band of late 90s when everything went wrong.
What caused Machine Head more problems was the LOOK in addition to style. I like several songs on The Burning Red(then again; I'm a metalhead that didn't hate everything about NU).
Supercharger was much worse.
But the LOOK.
Honestly, I think the Loads from Metallica got as much or more shit because of their look at the time. If they kept the Black album look, they'd have heard less crap.
That shouldn't be the case, but it is.
5:42 Coal Chamber reminiscent 😂❤
I love 1998 Slayer so much. I understand that technically it’s kinda nu metal but it has such a specific atmosphere and character what make it special for me.
Haha Machine Head dude looks straight up powerman 5000 meets Sugar Ray in the video.
Everyone hates "Diabolus in musica" but i really liked it, if someone showed to numetal bands how to make a numetal album they were Slayer
That Roots record is amazing and the percussion is great.
Hey, what is the name of the Machine Head song?? That sounds pretty good!! Speaking of metal bands covering songs by The Police, Anthrax did a cover of The Police song Ghost, I think it was a B-Side on a single off of The We've Come for you All album, but maybe from Stomp 442, either way that is a very cool cover.
It was the B-Side of Taking the Music Back, off of WCFYA. Another really cool cover from that recording session is their cover of the song Exit by U2. The John Bush era Anthrax is really good, at least I have found it to be. I can see why some don't find either iteration of Anthrax that good though, but it's hard to admit the two new albums with Joey back aren't awesome. Worship Music and For all Kings are absolute monsters of albums. I'm going to have to ck out more Machine Head.
Slayer’s nu metal at least had Arayas classic screams
You forget Tommy Lee's "Get Naked" 😂
Talking about Inside Out by Anthrax. You left out that Dimebag Darrell plays the solo on that. Not exactly (or even close to..) nu metal there
I think the very strong and vocal hatred so many metal fans had for nu metal is one of the things that ended rock music's cultural relevance. Similar to the way so many traditional jazz fans and critics piled hatred on top of Bitches Brew and other early fusion albums. Also, I never really understood the intense hatred for nu metal. I liked some bands and disliked others but it was just music made by people blending their influences. Thrash metal was made by guys who came of age in the 1970s and early 80s bringing together their love of Judas Priest, Motorhead, Black Sabbath, and early hardcore punk. Nu metal was made by guys who came of age in the 1980s and early 90s bringing together their love of thrash, crossover, later hardcore, goth, hip hop, and the early Seattle bands.
Roots really touched on something that’s hard to explain. I remember when it came out and I loved it. It’s really raw (even if it’s produced to sound that way) but I think Max nailed his obsession with blending metal with tribal percussion and that primitive ‘caveman’ vibe that really started on Chaos A.D. I mean he went on to Soulfly and the ‘Primitive’ album is basically Roots Part II 😂
Never really got into Nu Metal other than the band Sevendust. Saw them open for Megadeth in the late 90s and their performance impressed me. I love Groove Metal though. Bands like Pantera and Exhorder's album The Law for example. By the mid 90s I was into Thrash, Death, and Groove Metal so maybe that's why I never really got into Nu Metal. Not trying to be elitist, it's just what I was into at the time. I know a lot of people started out listening to Nu Metal and then got into other Metal genres which is great.
Grew up with Nu Metal music and will always love it. It's just fun as fuck. Thanks to Nu metal, I got into way heavier bands when I was younger. But I can get why the old people don't like it. It's radically different from metal before this. But it sounds dope. Slayer sounds dope with thrash and Nu metal. XD
You just perfectly encapsulated 1998 and several adjacent years after 😂😂😂
Elites hate Chaos AD but to me it towers over Roots
The Sound Of White Noise is Anthrax's best album.
Until you listen to Worship Music. I prefer Bush signing, but that album tops them all.
for the most hated sub genre, it shows you how big it was when even friggin' Slayer changed their sound