Rhaenys Targaryen and Corlys Velaryon being the only adults in the room | Part 1

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  • My first of probably 3 videos in a series called Rhaenys Targaryen and Corlys Velaryon being the only adults in the room. Because let's face it, they typically are.
    I am side-eyeing that conversation they had with Viserys about Laena, though in-universe it made sense.
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  • @MrEarthling99
    @MrEarthling99 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1514

    “Rhaenys is my favourite cousin after all.”
    Dude, your first wife was your cousin .

    • @alicebethell8069
      @alicebethell8069 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +212

      His parents were also siblings, which would make Daemon his cousin as well 😂 I guess Rhaenys is just his favourite cousin who has been fully 'cousin zoned'

    • @8ouroboros841
      @8ouroboros841 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

      Rhaenys is his favourite *living* cousin.

    • @hilaryhongkong
      @hilaryhongkong 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      She died, so she could not be his favourite cousin

    • @Thrawn23.
      @Thrawn23. 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@alicebethell8069brother/cousin

    • @thebonfireofgains
      @thebonfireofgains 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      Favorite non-bangable cousin

  • @oblivious_prime
    @oblivious_prime ปีที่แล้ว +2063

    Interesting how Viserys looked at Rhaenys, almost like he realized that Rhaenys got ripped off and felt kind of bad about it...

    • @beserker1912
      @beserker1912 ปีที่แล้ว +219

      I think it's implied that they were close even before the council

    • @lillypharaoh5945
      @lillypharaoh5945 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

      Then again the sea snakes ambitions make it hard to root against viserys becoming king, the new monarch would be named velaryon and the targ dynasty would be done for good.
      Coryles would never allow the name to be changed and he would manipulate his way into it, who will stop him? His velaryone heir?

    • @milostosic2862
      @milostosic2862 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

      @@beserker1912 And also it implies that Vyseris is kind and thoughtfull man, man who wants to avoid any conflict or misunderstanding at any cost...Still, this great and respectfull trait is not good trait for a medival ruller

    • @kingofdragons7
      @kingofdragons7 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      ​@@milostosic2862 Viserys liked to please people, but in contradition, when he made a decision, he would not go back on it, he was a weak ruler tho

    • @milostosic2862
      @milostosic2862 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@kingofdragons7 I agree

  • @GardensAndGames
    @GardensAndGames ปีที่แล้ว +2066

    I've been putting it as Rhaenys having a much more regal bearing than anyone else on the show. But her and the sea snake being the only adults really works as well.

    • @piotrx6833
      @piotrx6833 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      Well after all she was the HEIR.
      Not Viserys.
      She was Aemon's firstborn.
      As much as everyone liked prince Baelon.
      He wasn't the one who was meant to be king.
      The same could be said about his children and grandchildren.

    • @aaroncohen2700
      @aaroncohen2700 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@piotrx6833 It always confused me that JT would go against Westerosi law by making his second son heir while his first son's line still persisted. Not like any other house works that way. Made the way open for complications.

    • @piotrx6833
      @piotrx6833 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @@aaroncohen2700 I thought about it to, and I have theory.
      Many people say that the old king was misogynistic but I don't buy it. He allowed women such as Jonquil Darke into his court, he allowed his daughter Alyssa to be a first Targeryen tomboy, and he shared power with his wife.
      So, why did he took Rhaenys right to the throne? What did JT had against his granddaughter?
      Well my theory is that JT had nothing against Rhaenys. He propably liked her more than Viserys and Daemon.
      But Corlys? That's another matter. I think that JT had a grudge against the family of his mother. His Velaryon uncle - Daemon Velaryon - supported Maegor - the same Maegor who killed his brothers.
      Not only that, the same uncle was the one who put forth an idea of Maegor marrying Rhaena - JT older sister and and a widow to his older brother.
      Velaryons betrayed JT early in his life. He spared them of course but he must have held a grudge.
      And then here comes Corlys the Sea snake who is now the richest man in the kingdom and wants to be a consort to the queen.
      I am not surprised he was a bit salty.
      JT was probably also jealous of Corlys - after all the fame of the Sea snake has overshadowed that of the old king and that must have been a bitter pill to swallow.

    • @kingofdragons7
      @kingofdragons7 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@aaroncohen2700 he didn't go against anything, he let the lords of the realm choose and honored the Andal law that a male comes before a female

    • @aaroncohen2700
      @aaroncohen2700 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@kingofdragons7 the oldest male line is the one that inherits. JT broke that by skipping his oldest sons line and giving the kingdom to a younger son.

  • @lunathemoon64
    @lunathemoon64 ปีที่แล้ว +1031

    "these knights are as green as summer grass, none of them know real war." BURN...

    • @jamiestewart48
      @jamiestewart48 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Yeah, like she knows real war. Let's see what happens the first time she's in a fight. LOLOL.

    • @wendellpeterson6755
      @wendellpeterson6755 ปีที่แล้ว +79

      ​@@jamiestewart48 she doesn't falter, even though she knows she won't win she collides with 2 dragons, one of which is a conquest war dragon and the largest currently alive and the other one she leaves both the rider and the dragon incapacitated so yeah she knows what war is.

    • @klaojungwiwattanaporn6927
      @klaojungwiwattanaporn6927 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@jamiestewart48 You know, it doesn't mean much to say the knights are as experienced as an old lady who has never been in warfare.

    • @nicksmithnutmilk
      @nicksmithnutmilk 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​​@@klaojungwiwattanaporn6927she's like 30 in that scene 😂😂

    • @fairyblu6929
      @fairyblu6929 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      ​​@@jamiestewart48lmao dude she freaking bodies her opponents when the time comes for the Dance of the Dragons. She does end up dying though, but not before severely and permanently disfiguring Aegon and his dragon, Sunfyre. As much as I love Sunfyre, who is one of the best fighting dragons in the Dance, I do feel that she only lost because it was 2 v 1 (technically 4 v 2) given that Aemond and Vhaegar had fought alongside Aegon. But yeah, all this to say that she's been to war, she's fought in a war, and she was a bad bitch the entire way. Her comment was absolutely called for. Especially cause its true, none of those knights had been to war, a fact that is mentioned repeatedly in the first two episodes by other characters.

  • @pageachatter229
    @pageachatter229 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +334

    The relationship between Rhaenys and Corlys is perhaps the most fair and balanced in this entire franchise, alongside Ned and Catlyn.

    • @kbrennan3836
      @kbrennan3836 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Ned and Cat weren't really that "balanced," though. Obviously, they loved and respected each other, but there was a major power imbalance in his favor. Cat had no choice in anything - not even whether to marry him. Ned wasn't honest with her and overruled her repeatedly. One of their last conversations was an argument about whether Bran should go with Ned to King's Landing (before his unfortunate-and-entirely-accidental fall). Cat was fiercely opposed and felt like her favorite child was being stolen from her. Ned decided that Bran would go with him, since he thought Bran could help build bridges with Cersei's children, and that Cat had to stay to raise Robb.

    • @maggiejoestar783
      @maggiejoestar783 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@kbrennan3836Did you say Bran's fall was "entirely accidental"? Dude, what part of "The man looked over at the woman. “The things I do for love,” he said with loathing. He gave Bran a shove." Sounds accidental to you??? Mind you that was copied from the BOOK

    • @kbrennan3836
      @kbrennan3836 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@maggiejoestar783 My friend, let me introduce you to the strange human custom known as "sarcasm."

    • @maggiejoestar783
      @maggiejoestar783 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@kbrennan3836 Ah pardon me, friend. I misunderstood.

  • @DuelKingYami
    @DuelKingYami 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +209

    I’ve always loved Lord Corlys and Princess Rhaenys. When they got married, Lord Corlys told Rhaenys that he came back from the ends of the earth just for her. Rhaenys responded by saying that they could go back to the ends of the earth if they chose but she’d get there first cuz she would be flying on Maelys. They are seriously life goals with their love for adventure and for each other.

  • @asepheleleshabalala1352
    @asepheleleshabalala1352 ปีที่แล้ว +307

    The Queen who never Was. The Seasnake. Each a power in their own right. Together? Almost unstoppable. Almost.

    • @jaden2061
      @jaden2061 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I wanna see a spin off of The Queen who Was, think the white hairs would still be ruling

  • @Unclejack328
    @Unclejack328 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +209

    Viserys was the happiest guy in the world in that first episode.

    • @Emy-fv5ny
      @Emy-fv5ny 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Yes, he was so sure he will finally secure the succession and be happy with his true love.

    • @Unclejack328
      @Unclejack328 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Emy-fv5ny Should have known better.

  • @Emy-fv5ny
    @Emy-fv5ny 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +163

    I LOVE this couple, the chemistry between the actors is so good.
    I'm a fan now of the actress who plays Rhaenys, I like her voice.

    • @joeybulford5266
      @joeybulford5266 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I like her too. When she crashed the coronation and flew off on her dragon it was badass af. I keep telling myself this is Game of Thrones tho and I’m expecting the absolute worst for her lol. I haven’t read the book so I don’t know what happens, but I bet it isn’t good.

  • @tbakhalid4781
    @tbakhalid4781 ปีที่แล้ว +881

    Couldn’t agree more, the whole season I was rooting for House Velaryon to take over. They truly deserved to rule more than Targaryens 😂

    • @EdwardNewgate58
      @EdwardNewgate58 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

      Honestly, their rise would've not only prevented the Dance, but ultimately would've prevented the reign of Aerys "The Mad King".

    • @sageex3931
      @sageex3931 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      ​@@EdwardNewgate58 yep

    • @nicksmithnutmilk
      @nicksmithnutmilk 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      ​@@EdwardNewgate58and the Blackfyre Rebellions

    • @resathe6760
      @resathe6760 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@EdwardNewgate58But the Prince who was promised probably wouldn't have been born

    • @EdwardNewgate58
      @EdwardNewgate58 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@resathe6760 Hmm, good point.

  • @oblivious_prime
    @oblivious_prime ปีที่แล้ว +131

    Viserys should have listened to Rhaenys and Corlys and married Laena, marrying Alicent did all but doom house Targaryen to civil war and the deaths of almost all the dragons...

    • @aaroncohen2700
      @aaroncohen2700 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Or he could've married literally any other house.

    • @marie-curie6645
      @marie-curie6645 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      What he really should have done is never married at all if he wanted his daughter on the throne. Honestly the best decision would have been to marry his daughter and brother from the get go and named them co-rulers upon his death.

    • @aaroncohen2700
      @aaroncohen2700 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@marie-curie6645 Eh, I'd say he should've married into a weaker house. Like a step-below the great houses like a Rowan, or a Manderly. Someone with status but not enough to threaten his daughter. I do think he should've had grandchildren before more children though.

    • @deismaccountant
      @deismaccountant 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@marie-curie6645 avoiding Daemon as successor was kind of the point of naming Rhaenyra though.

    • @danika9411
      @danika9411 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think Corlys would not have accepted that Laenas sons are passed over. He almost went to war already, when Rhaenys line was disinherited by the council in 101.

  • @vincenzopinto702
    @vincenzopinto702 ปีที่แล้ว +822

    Marrying their 9 year old daughter to a guy who can be her grandfather doesn’t really scream ‘being an adult’

    • @tbakhalid4781
      @tbakhalid4781 ปีที่แล้ว +286

      Living in a conservative and political society meant looking for highest position for themselves and for their children, at the same time looking out for the stability of the realm. House Velaryon actually played GOT well with Laena as perfect piece but Viserys really wasn’t a fine opponent to play with.

    • @wayne47able
      @wayne47able ปีที่แล้ว +311

      Stop applying 21st century morality to 14th century norms. Yes it’s weird but that was the only way to secure your families position and for a woman to have social mobility

    • @honinakecheta601
      @honinakecheta601 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      Everyone already said it pretty well, but just to add I doubt he would’ve done anything to or with her until she came of age.

    • @CA-bw9vw
      @CA-bw9vw ปีที่แล้ว +98

      Like Viserys would even touch Laena at that age. Crown or no, Rhaenys would burn him alive if he abused her daughter. Also, Laena is not Alicent. She would have relished her role as queen and played the game.

    • @CoRLex-jh5vx
      @CoRLex-jh5vx ปีที่แล้ว +54

      Not that it changes your point, but I'm pretty sure Laena was 12, and Viserys would be maybe mid 30s at that point. Still very gross, but also common of the time period among nobles, and honestly probably a better deal than most other girls would get.

  • @athensk.4720
    @athensk.4720 ปีที่แล้ว +185

    Rather obvious comment, but I like how Viserys was confident about the succession during the tourney, so no tongue needed to be removed. He was more himself there, calm and Peaceful, indeed.
    But with his grandchildren, he definitely knew and denied the truth to himself. So his attitude towards the punishment changed accordingly.
    Insecurity brought out some violence in him. His illness didn’t help, either.

    • @leahhart3585
      @leahhart3585 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      True but there’s a difference between someone making a joke and someone calling your daughter a whore.

    • @Mcherri
      @Mcherri 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yea but calling rhaenyera a whore was way to much she didn’t whore around she was only with harwin that people knew about that’s it and it stopped than she stayed with daemon and was with him only for a very long time. Calling her a whore in front of everyone was to far vaemond 100% sealed his fate when he said that the bastard thing could’ve been looked over but not that.

  • @mindyenglish5305
    @mindyenglish5305 ปีที่แล้ว +329

    They're also the most beautiful in the room. The whole family. Their kids are just gorgeous, and the absolute best people in Westeros. I think the fact that they're kind and intelligent and loyal make them even more attractive. It was so sad to watch them be used up and thrown away like they were.

    • @NotHereForLikes
      @NotHereForLikes 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      lol wtf

    • @vortigan9068
      @vortigan9068 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​​@@NotHereForLikesikr calling child actors "gorgeous" is crazy

    • @LPno.9
      @LPno.9 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@vortigan9068 Thinking it's crazy to call them gorgeous is gross.

    • @Torag55
      @Torag55 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@vortigan9068um what's wrong with just complimenting their looks? There's nothing pedophilic in it. It's just a comment, not a flirtatious one.

    • @shadysorkin9214
      @shadysorkin9214 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@vortigan9068 theres nothing wrong with saying you think someones children are gorgeous what kind of messed up mind do you have to have to think that's pedophilic 💀

  • @reginalddithapo7922
    @reginalddithapo7922 ปีที่แล้ว +118

    I only now just realised that this adult Renyera narrating this... 🤦‍♂️

    • @aliciabruder1106
      @aliciabruder1106 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Same, I thought it was Rhaenys for some reason as it seemed to sound like her actor. It doesn’t sound like Rhaenyras current voice actress unless they plan to slightly age her more by season 2.

    • @discobroccoli198
      @discobroccoli198 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      She says “my father” when talking about Viserys…

  • @EmoEmu
    @EmoEmu ปีที่แล้ว +161

    How different their world would have been, had the right heir been chosen.

    • @AS-ri1mb
      @AS-ri1mb 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      The men would’ve been pissed

    • @janellejulianajoy
      @janellejulianajoy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@AS-ri1mbAnd intact. Westeros wouldn't have been fractured.

    • @almasyapologist
      @almasyapologist 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@janellejulianajoythat’s highly unlikely. If Rhaenys became queen, Leonor will be the next king. Leonor is canonically gay, and he would likely to marry Viserys’ children anyway, the end result will be the same. Or if Leonor chose different wife, their children will still be bastards, and there will be challenges to the heir of the throne.

    • @Shannon-vv6rr
      @Shannon-vv6rr 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@almasyapologist Eh.. Renley and Margery coulda worked it out. I'm sure the measters coulda figured out turkey basting etc ... He coulda gotten himself to completion then finished etc .. not to be crass but I find it a plot hole in Rhae and Laenors alliance. They coulda easily worked it out. Plus alot of gay guys have slept with a woman before believe it or not

    • @almasyapologist
      @almasyapologist 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Shannon-vv6rr Leonor did try to consummate the marriage with Rhaenyra tho, it didn’t produce any heir. Doubt this universe would allow it work.

  • @Shannon-vv6rr
    @Shannon-vv6rr 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Rhaenys is one of the most beautiful Targs for sure. She even looks dragonesque

  • @ayiza8511
    @ayiza8511 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    fists full of steel and balls full of seed what a line. And this is the first time noticing Leana looking scared and holding Leonor's arm, they really choose some beautiful child actors. And Rhwanys and Corlys truly is the best couple stand outs this first season.

  • @cosmicriptid
    @cosmicriptid ปีที่แล้ว +114

    Severely accurate title

  • @nategraham6946
    @nategraham6946 ปีที่แล้ว +153

    On paper, they are right, a match with her would be best for the realm. However, she is still just a young child.

    • @redadmiralofvalyria867
      @redadmiralofvalyria867 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who could have easily had child birthing issues because of her young age(especially since when she we'd daemon, she gave him daughters, so the succession would probably STILL be in dought)

    • @nategraham6946
      @nategraham6946 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@redadmiralofvalyria867 I don't disagree at all.

    • @OpalLeigh
      @OpalLeigh ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@redadmiralofvalyria867 TBF, it’s the male donation of DNA that decides gender:) so who knows how things would have gone.

    • @MegaLion14
      @MegaLion14 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      🙄🙄🙄 Viserys could marry Laena young but wait until she reaches the age of majority and matures well enough. The period between their marriage and Laena's age of majority could be used for Laena and Rhaenyra to bond with each other to ensure that even if Laena gives birth to Viserys' sons, Rhaenyra's stake on the Iron Throne would be respected. With Houses Targaryen and Velaryon bonded even more, no one would dare stand against their aerial and naval superiority.

    • @dersuddeutschesumpf5444
      @dersuddeutschesumpf5444 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​​@@MegaLion14House Velaryon would have schemed to put their line on the throne. The Sea Snake is ridiculously ambitious. Also Viserys would have been 70 and probably already dead through disease by the time his bride came of age 😂. On top of that the houses are already joined

  • @LizzyWithAWhy
    @LizzyWithAWhy ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Corlys and Raines both have such on screen presence

  • @nykia31
    @nykia31 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    House Velaryon really deserved better. Really liked them.

  • @tombick9311
    @tombick9311 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    A spin off of Corlys’ story would be awesome, getting to see the greater world from Asshai by the shadow to Ib, but I guess it’d also remove the mystery behind asoiaf too

    • @emiiyakuma
      @emiiyakuma 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I feel the same about Valyria, I want to see it but then there goes the mystery and magic of it

  • @Kaboomboo
    @Kaboomboo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Look I don't care that they made the Velaryons black. Whatever. But why did they change the hair color of Rhaenys and Aemma Arryn (Viserys' wife). Both of them had dark hair. That's why in the book, Rhaeneyra had something to argue against with her kids having dark hair. Her mother herself had dark hair. But I guess they really wanted to hammer home they weren't her husband's sons in the show.

    • @Evogurl-gf4ne
      @Evogurl-gf4ne 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      It wouldn't bother me except for the fact that the "Seed is Strong" was an important part of GOT season one. Sort of devalues Ned's discovery since Rhaenys is proving to be an exception.

  • @masterarash7
    @masterarash7 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I loved Corlys in the books such a badass. His on screen counter part so far is pretty dope too

  • @Zhoshyn
    @Zhoshyn 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    It's astonishing that there are still heirs left with these kinds of tournaments ...

    • @resathe6760
      @resathe6760 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I think it was a bit riddiculous to portray a tourney that way.

    • @drewhammond5203
      @drewhammond5203 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think for the Jousts, it's mostly lordlings, but there is probably some brawl aspect later on where the knights and stewards of these noble houses get to let out their aggression

    • @AlyssMa7rin
      @AlyssMa7rin 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There's the joust, and the Melee. Since this is a time of peace, there certainly could be merit to tourneys to the death. However, I think the tourney as portrayed in GoT S1 E4-5-(6?) was far better and faithful to how it would actually be. @@drewhammond5203

    • @DrSabot-A
      @DrSabot-A 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@resathe6760Did you not hear Corlys and Rhaenys' dialogue? Its been decades since the last war, and the knights are eager for bloodlust. "Fistful of steel and balls full of seed". In GoT we see that tourneys rarely go bloody, since everyone cringes when Ser Hewell dies or when Tywin sent Jamie to one at the age of 15.

    • @resathe6760
      @resathe6760 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DrSabot-AI did and I'm not saying it breaks the show. But I still think it was a bit over the top with the violence for a tourney. Who is Ser Hewell btw? Do you mean Ser Hugh of the Vale? Because he was not killed with intend but by accident. Which is exactly my point. I didn't say nobody ever dies at tourneys but those are mostly accidents not knights butchering each other with swords and axes.

  • @jasonlorphotofilms
    @jasonlorphotofilms 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    0:31 The look on Viserys felt like he didn't wanted the throne, but has to force a smile and go with it.

  • @deathbywords
    @deathbywords หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Laena gripping her brother's arm is so sweet🥰. Reminds me of my big brother when i was little.

  • @tatinesaenzk
    @tatinesaenzk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Imagine if Viserys married Laena. Targaryen dragons and the Velaryon fleet. They would've been unstoppable. He literally gained nothing marrying Alicent, except unnecessary family drama and civil war. If he and Laena had a son, Rhaenyra could've married whoever she wanted, like Harwin Strong. She wouldn't have minded being replaced as heir by Laena's son since she understood they had a lot to gain from the Velaryons. There would be no Dance.

  • @ginaburton8020
    @ginaburton8020 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Rhaenys almost laughed when Lord Baratheon got knocked off his horse.

  • @MichaelBOverthinking
    @MichaelBOverthinking 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    4:29, when the Velaryon theme kicks in... The Old, The True, The Brave

  • @cviswas19
    @cviswas19 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    The real Power Couple

  • @CicadasEverywhere
    @CicadasEverywhere ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I don't get it, Corlys Velaryon and Rhaenys Targaryan are married. The two houses are joined. I understand they want to increase that bond but their houses are already joined, no?

    • @erickahernadez2527
      @erickahernadez2527 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      But not to the line of succession

    • @CicadasEverywhere
      @CicadasEverywhere ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@erickahernadez2527 yea, i get that. I'm just nitpicking the choice of words

    • @marie-curie6645
      @marie-curie6645 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think it has more to do with dragons. Dragons were the key to power and keeping that power and their were only two houses with dragons. Merging the two completely together made it so the other house wasn’t a threat to Targaryen rule.

    • @CicadasEverywhere
      @CicadasEverywhere 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@marie-curie6645 No argument. I was only pointing out that their houses are already united by the marriage between Corlys and Rhaenys (and many more).

    • @AS-ri1mb
      @AS-ri1mb 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CicadasEverywheregood point tbf, but I think it was more about keeping Corlys happy

  • @rbrick3685
    @rbrick3685 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    What a handsome couple. I hope one doesn't end up a charred corpse after a battle and the other imprisoned by his allies :)

  • @menzintuli3155
    @menzintuli3155 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How is nobody talking about Daemon taking the piss out of Otto Hightower🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @wyvern723
    @wyvern723 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Rhaenys would have been a much better ruler than Viserys... That being said... Offering to wed their twelve year old daughter to the king was creepy and just wrong. Glad Vis, at least, saw that.

    • @aaroncohen2700
      @aaroncohen2700 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Eh, it was pretty standard for the time. And they wouldn't have had sex until Laena was old enough to have children. That isn't good but it's how it works.

    • @milostosic2862
      @milostosic2862 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Not at all, this was actually good match... Have in mind that Westeros society is based on our medival society...Vyseris at time was something about 35 - in the books, so he was not so old like you think because of actor

    • @jadawngriffis3745
      @jadawngriffis3745 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In this case, it is subjectively wrong but objectively a good move.

    • @mikered1974
      @mikered1974 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@milostosic2862in the book novellas Laena is 12 almost turning 13 while Viserys is 29 it just Alicent had headstart by sneakly warming-up to mourning Viserys and being Mother figure too Rhaenyra which turn out she just faking it out when Alicent spawn male she began too show her True Color toward Rhaenyra.

    • @milostosic2862
      @milostosic2862 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mikered1974 So,it was even more better match,i knew Vyseris in book was younger than we thought because actor,but did not remember he was actually 29

  • @Kaszkieciorz_TG
    @Kaszkieciorz_TG หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Prince Deamon is announced by the man with balck dragon on red field. I wonder if that's foreshadowing for a series about Blackfyre Rebelions

  • @BlackDiamond2718
    @BlackDiamond2718 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Lesson one: never take rhaenys’ favor. She is worth it but you don’t want to lose. 😂❤

  • @kalluzeb021
    @kalluzeb021 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just call it "Every time Rhaenys and Corlys are on screen together" xD

  • @whocares15
    @whocares15 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Rhaenys, The Queen who should have been, would be a better description.

  • @bunkeymunkytrish
    @bunkeymunkytrish 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    If only he'd married Laena, the Dance would never have happened.

  • @sadjouabrandon3146
    @sadjouabrandon3146 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    the queen who never was

  • @AMightyStorm
    @AMightyStorm 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I really hope Eve Best wins some kind of award for her role. I was looking her up and she hasn't won any since 2008 despite having many roles since.

  • @TaeSunWoo
    @TaeSunWoo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Oh look, it’s my tv parents

    • @kierakayz
      @kierakayz  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      All our parents 🥰

  • @thealmightykaren5926
    @thealmightykaren5926 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    wow something i did not realize until this video is that when Viserys gets crowned king, he does NOT look happy about it. he doesn’t even smile until Aemma looks at him. he’s PISSED for Rhaenys.

  • @SarahJ70
    @SarahJ70 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Refreshing to see a couple at last where both are equal, no toxic traits whatsoever

    • @mirayc451
      @mirayc451 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      well in the book they have like a 22 year age gap and in Season 2 we’ll also learn a few things about their marriage, so I wouldn’t be so sure about “no toxicity” 😅

    • @SarahJ70
      @SarahJ70 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@mirayc451 well….at least it’s not incest 😅

  • @peoplez129
    @peoplez129 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    It makes sense that she wouldn't inherit it. Not just out of tradition, but because she was also married to someone who would essentially become king by proxy, that wasn't even part of the bloodline that was supposed to inherit the throne. So making her queen instead would be like if you gave the throne to any other house but house targaryen.

    • @madness9651
      @madness9651 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But that happened with real Houses, too. Queen Victoria was the last of Hanover, then her husband's house took over through her sons (which got then renamed to Windsor).
      Only for the Targs themselves the name is important, being the last Dragonlords and stuff, but for the Lords of Westeros these are foreign unifiers, conquerors or invaders depending on point of view and the name itself doesn't have much of a tradition like the names of the native Great Houses.

  • @Yisraely2k
    @Yisraely2k หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It’s been seventeen years since king maegor’s end, these knights are as green as summer grass, 💅, none of them have known real war 💅💅💅💅💅

    • @AJK17.5
      @AJK17.5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱

  • @pepeddrobarros2934
    @pepeddrobarros2934 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    To be honest, If Rhaenyra had Been closer to Rhaenys and Corlys,maybe spoken to them about the birth of the boys,and that laenor failed on getting her pregnant, maybe they would Have some afection for her,and protect her from the Hightower from the beggining.

  • @collinwatts9390
    @collinwatts9390 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Actually if Viserys had wed Lhaena that would have prevented pretty much everything that happened in the dance

  • @ewerdherrera636
    @ewerdherrera636 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I just realized that if he married leana he probably would have delayed the inevitable two more daughters and another wife dying in pregnancy

  • @LS-kg6my
    @LS-kg6my 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Why he did not marry their daughter is beyond me. He didn’t have to consummate the marriage until she was mature. Marrying Alicynt was folly from the beginning

    • @resathe6760
      @resathe6760 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Also Alicent wasn't that much older really. At most 3 or 4 years

    • @bethanychatman9531
      @bethanychatman9531 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gross, they could have had a noble that was of age to be queen.

  • @A_divisive_scarecrow
    @A_divisive_scarecrow 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    People keep bringing it up that it was Otto, who suggested Rhaenyra to be named heir. But appearently it was the Velaryons who suggested Viserys to marry and breed again...

  • @kira68200
    @kira68200 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    4:20 the two great surviving valiryan houses, meanwhile the Celtigar house : "really ? wow ! thanks guys."

    • @madness9651
      @madness9651 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The other Valyrian houses are shit and have been living in Westeros for hundreds of years since Aenar Targaryen left the freehold. The Vels have been the fleet masters of the Targs and have been given the largest island, Driftmark, to rule, and have been intermarrying with the Targs many times before to ensure a Valyrian bloodline. The other houses didn't have that fortune, maybe some married Aenar's unknown siblings but those lines died out by the time of these events. We see a Celtigar lord later with Rhaenyra on Dragonstone in the show and he doesn't look Valyrian at all which makes sense given how much time has passed since the Doom.

    • @TearYouApart360
      @TearYouApart360 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A bunch of turncloaks in my opinion. Bending the knee to the bastard pretender instead of dying with honor in services of the one true king.

    • @kira68200
      @kira68200 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TearYouApart360 well, to be fair the Baratheon bloodline his almost as valyrian has the other valyrian houses
      but for the Celtigar, I was mostly joking, yeah they are valyrians, but commoners, while the Velaryons where nobles and the Targarians were dragon lords, so basicaly royalty

  • @Mundanesoup4
    @Mundanesoup4 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    family tree is is just vines wrapping around a tree lol

  • @elaisekerese3202
    @elaisekerese3202 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There would be no wars between the dragons if the King would have taken Lord Valarys proposal to unite the two powerful houses at the time🎉

  • @Guicho.
    @Guicho. 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    1:00 the crowned deer is a mistake isnt?

  • @shin29534
    @shin29534 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If rhaenys won. Targaryens would probably still be prospering right now

  • @jaden2061
    @jaden2061 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wanna see a spin off of The Queen who Was, think the white hairs would still be ruling

  • @raspyraspberries
    @raspyraspberries 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why do I feel like Rhaenys recognized the small tribute to her failed corronation due to misogyny was the day Viserys named Rhaenyra heir?
    It could be interpreted that it was a gesture of apology that he was selected over Rhaenys.

  • @user-js5od6vv8q
    @user-js5od6vv8q 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Corlys and Rhaenys' council are not really rooted on personal interest only but it is actually for the good of the realm.

  • @RM-gi2ki
    @RM-gi2ki ปีที่แล้ว +3

    he should have listened

  • @josynaemikohler6572
    @josynaemikohler6572 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Is there some deeper meaning of the announcer wearing Blackfyre colors, who do not yet exist.
    (Or is he some random recognized bastard, and as that wears the "inversed" coat of arms, which just happens to be the same as the future Blackfyre one will be. )

    • @bandit9667
      @bandit9667 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Definitely means the Blackfyres are time travellers

  • @kkandsims4612
    @kkandsims4612 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Lowkey she stole the fooking show till emma pull up

  • @jaiparadez
    @jaiparadez 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Rhaenys should have known she was NEVER going to rule.
    She did not have a Matrilineal marriage with Corlys, which means their kids would be born to House Velaryon. Why would the Targaryen's hand over their Kingdom to House Velaryon??
    Once Rhaenys would be gone, a Velaryon would ascend to the Throne, which would be pretty stupid of the Targaryen Dynasty!

  • @SarahsYouTubechannel
    @SarahsYouTubechannel 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    To be honest their daughter is way better then alicent

    • @janellejulianajoy
      @janellejulianajoy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You think?! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @Johannes_Seerup
    @Johannes_Seerup หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Viserys loved his daughter. He was a good man. But a weak man. A weak man who nearly destroyed the house of the dragon.

  • @darkojankovic9607
    @darkojankovic9607 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1:34 look at Otto

  • @frijofroisdeern3783
    @frijofroisdeern3783 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This court makes me claustrophobic. Anybody?

  • @panmandragora5560
    @panmandragora5560 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Why tf does the whole series look like a fucking flashback with that low saturation color grading?

  • @inthelaughter1939
    @inthelaughter1939 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Rhaenys doesn't ever speak high valayrian i just noticed

  • @dersuddeutschesumpf5444
    @dersuddeutschesumpf5444 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nah Viserys over Rhaenys and Corlys any time of the day

  • @Trustme77
    @Trustme77 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well, Viserys sure would end up doing a 180 on the tongue thing...

  • @og6396
    @og6396 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kingsguard Lord commander
    Ser Cristone Cole
    “The Crown of the conqueror Passed down through generations”
    “”Let the Seven bare witness Aegon Targaryen is the True Heir to the Irone Throne””
    High septan
    “”All hail his Grace… Aegon Targaryen, Second of his name, 🤴🏻 king of the andals and the Rhoynar and the first men, 🗡️ Lord of the Seven kingdoms, and 🛡️ Protector of the Realm!!!””

  • @jukukwakuattionu5080
    @jukukwakuattionu5080 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Laena and Viserys was and should have been the right plau

  • @lizardmedia2257
    @lizardmedia2257 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Damn this comment section is so absolutely filled with cope for 1 character who killed hundreds of innocent people for no reason (sounds real fucking familiar) and a dude who spends most of the season lusting for the throne.😂😂

  • @lilygoatdemon
    @lilygoatdemon 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Viserys telling Rhaenys she's his "favorite cousin" is a weird comment considering dude married his other cousin

  • @KirkCannon-bx8qi
    @KirkCannon-bx8qi 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1:33
    Blackfyre rebels even during the reign of king viserys smh

  • @batesvillbilly368
    @batesvillbilly368 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Why is there a black? The Targaryens are very specifically described in the books. They aren't black.

    • @Prat-zi1ou
      @Prat-zi1ou 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's fictional character if George doesn't mind who tf are you😂

    • @kierakayz
      @kierakayz  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Then it is a good thing he is not a Targaryen so gtfoh

    • @tanjaceren984
      @tanjaceren984 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it made sense because in the show its clear rhaes children are not leanors. In the books rheaneys is black so rhaes children could be laenors based by genetics

  • @melbrooks1192
    @melbrooks1192 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Corlys would rather be at sea.

  • @champ6277
    @champ6277 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Marrying Alicent Hightower fucked up the Targaryen dinasty, by causing succession rebellions killing the dragons. Maybe if the rebellions will not happened the targaryens might still had their dragons and still ruling by the time of ASOIAF

  • @Ovendodger
    @Ovendodger 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Her personal sigil should be a shark covered in mud.

    • @Ovendodger
      @Ovendodger 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheRedKing- I'm black.

  • @gerardjagroo
    @gerardjagroo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So Rhaenyra's ghost is speaking? 😂 Surely whoever is running the show must know that Rhaenyra died by dragonflame right?
    Or is it that they plan on changing the ending?

    • @isoladirocciadeldrago7385
      @isoladirocciadeldrago7385 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Is rhaenyra not rhaenys

    • @gerardjagroo
      @gerardjagroo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@isoladirocciadeldrago7385 She said Viserys was her father so no?
      Also Rhaenys also died in the Dance so even if it was her my original question remains.

  • @AlertedSponge
    @AlertedSponge ปีที่แล้ว +4

    in the books is cause she is a female but in the show is cause she married a black guy

    • @seongsangyerdam3488
      @seongsangyerdam3488 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      Be so fr you know thats not the reason

    • @Gratios
      @Gratios 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      You gotta troll better than that.

  • @trunghau7952
    @trunghau7952 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    ok black lives matter ok ok...o..k...

  • @shin29534
    @shin29534 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    If rhaenys won. Targaryens would probably still be prospering right now

    • @birdiewolf3497
      @birdiewolf3497 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Mmmmmhhhmmm I don’t know about that. See the thing about Rhaenys is that her children are Velaryon. So the monarchy would fall to House Velaryon. It wouldn’t take long before the Targaryens take issue with that.

    • @Mcherri
      @Mcherri 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@birdiewolf3497perhaps maybe but this is why viserys and coryls came up with the deal that yes verleryon blood would sit the throne however the heir jace would be named Targaryen instead the power would still be in Targaryens hands. Which was actually a smart idea.