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@@ashd9196 you're right, they've supported controllers on iphone since forever, but no support for android after 3 years. Scummy anti-consumer bullshit they decided to pull since hoyoverse have good relations with apple.
Biggest issue for phys and geo is honestly just elemental shields. Too many enemies just have elemental barriers that make it difficult for those teams to reliably deal with, especially when taking into account enemies that completely negate damage if their shield is up.
That is genuilly geo biggest problem,(same with physical dmg) that those sheilds quite literally ruin the game, I think it's ok if a enemy locks u out of using one element, but when a sheild is up, no matter HOW OP UR PEICES ARE, u just can't peirce the sheild at all with geo (unless ur throwing ur head at the wall for 8 hours) and in my opinion i think they should just STOP making ELEMENTAL sheilds, if they want to make a sheild go over the enemy as a gimick, and have ANYBODY be able to brake it, remove abyss heralds or nerf how there sheilds work,(make it a phase Two instead would be good so they get there special abilitys at the end) cause if anybody thinks "oh it makes the game harder and people been asking for the game to be harder" and no that is not called being hard, that's being annoying
Agreed. This is also the main reason why I will never use geo or physical chars for exploration. I used Ning for exploration back in the day and it was simply anemic. Taking down anything that has shields could take an eternity.
As a former itto main this pained me so much LMAOO, i started playing genshin cause of him and when i got him, i struggled a lot while using him in abyss. To the point i had to pull other comps so i could 36* it, i still love him(obvi cause i got his premium mono geo comp lol), i still use him once in awhile if the mobs aren’t anti-geo
@@Accountthatexists Geo should be able to break shields evenly across elements (Probably already a thing) Physical... yeah idk, good luck making physical DPS meta
The idea that Pyro characters will "cannibalize" eachother seems like a 4D chess calculated plan. The Nation of Pyro is the Nation of War and I feel like the Pyro Archon's gameplay will not avert that but only strengthen it, rewarding damage above all and forcing all Pyro characters to sacrifice others, or as Dainsleif said: "The victors shall burn bright, while the losers must turn to ash"
To add to my point, so far it seems all elements sorta flow and peak with the archons, their stories, and their ideals. Anemo: With maybe the exception of Xiao and Wanderer, all anemo units are used in rainbow teams (though Wanderer still encourages multiple elements), living free Geo: Just like Morax, they are playing dead Electro: Until 3.0, Electro was stale, unchanging, eternal in mediocrity but Ei's perception of eternity was changed, and so did the electro characters. Still "eternal", but moving forward they will make use of new advancements, doing the same thing, triggering the same reactions. Dendro: Like Nahida being let out of her cage, Dendro came and imparted unto us the most complex element which doesn't get stronger and more diverse with new Dendro units (The wisdom), but with new Pyro, Hydro, and Electro units (the Knowledge) as only the Wise can comprehend knowledge. Hydro: Repressed and in the background, never taking charge (Never working as an mono-element team) steps onto the stage with thunderous applause, like water, it can assume any shape and the shape now is a water beam. Fates of Pyro and Cryo are yet to be witnessed, but Pyro will likely encourage burning away the weak pyro units to make the strong burn brighter while Cryo will reclaim the Ideal of "love" which the Tsaritsa helds and encourage supporting/sharing power of other elements
@@tropicalsnow8784 nice point of view, but Fischl is an exception to the mediocre electro characters. Since 1.0 she still is a very good unit and remained getting buffs (dendro and Golden Troupe), even without this, she is good because is still the character that generates the most elemental particles in the game, this is why until now she is seem as the best battery.
Nah. All the drip-feed fake leaks that Hoyo puts out are saying that Natlan is going to have it's own gimmick how health change is Fontaine's gimmick. So they're just going to add some new thing instead of trying to fix or build on what they have.
@@FakeStuff5I also considered Anemo to be the best but the fact that it can't swirl with Geo and Dendro brings it down a bit. But yeah it's not that far off from Hydro
I still find it baffling that despite soil being one of the things plants need in order to grow, dendro doesn't react with geo. But somehow electro got a reaction.
It will be too strong Crystalized = Shield And we are all already know what is the strongest shield in Genshin Impact Yea, those wooden shield that mitacurl held lol
@@alport1331 Even then, hyperbloom makes seeds on the ground shoot off like rockets. I still don't see why they can't make the two react. They just don't care about the geo element.
One element to rule them all, Hydro. For Geo I'd argue that since it is the element of shields, and it needs offensive uses, then it would make sense if it was especially effective against all shields. Boom, Geo affirms itself to be a true element, not a "mark" on its characters. That's the straight and coherent solution.
Even then, hydro teams have lots of reactions specially with characters that need hydro applied to them, and a lot of hydro immunes have that by default.
Geo definitely needs a buff if not a rework and Physical... I don't even know if anything can be done with it since it doesn't interact with the elements.
Buffing physical should be easy just give it "cracking" attributes, by that I mean, to get a percentage of physical damage converted to an elemental application of sorts that damages shields, same for geo, and that'd get them a tier or two higher, doing something _that_ simple would be enough to make them not suck so hard. But hoyo won't do it 😂😅
New elements that covers geo’s weaknesses with reactions would be huge, or the ability to sacrifice shields for DPS like hydros sacrifice could also help.
Physical should directly penetrate through every elemental shields without breaking them while dealing true damage without hindered by any elemental RES.There,fix it.
I would want more than Shinobu, probably at Xingqui levels. It would take an interesting turn to make a Pyro EM buffer focusing on burn, overload and forward vape.
@@RaffoPhantom yeah! Kinda, but shinobu has split scaling. What I would envision is like a healer in which EM is the only scaling for the healing so that you have to play them in transformative reaction teams. Maybe even a passive that increases burn dmg on enemies if you get hit by burning yourself. That way the heal and selfburn balance themselves or so
Ironically now physical and geo also use hydro, or more specifically the hydro archon. Eula's best team now is Raiden/Furina/C6 Mika and Noelle is Furina/Yelan/Kazuha with Petra or Furina/Albedo/C6 Gorou with Marechaussee.
Furina does really well for characters that have very limited support options. Physical and geo can't swirl and they get pretty limited buffs from Bennet. Also a side-note, please don't use c0 Eula with c0 Raiden, that team is huge bait since Eula wants to be on field 100% of the time and Raiden with no sub dps is worthless. Just replace her with golden troupe fischl. She has the same battery and damage potential of c0 Raiden without taking any field time
I haven't played Genshin since the year it came out but watching your channel has given me a pretty interesting look into how the game has changed over the years as if i never left
Guess what, the game hasn't changed ever beside get more chars (that most people don't have cause u have to pay money) that make the game easier and enemys that aren't hard, just enemy's that make the game more annoying, and no new gamemode has came out, game will always be exploration/story game(even though it's sucks at both of those)
Thé guy above is just madling, it's by no mean a perfect game but it has gotten a lot better since version 1. The open world exploration which is the main focus of the game has gotten better every major patch and new region are getting released every couple of months. News characters are fun but old one are still viable, and even the story is getting better recently. I don't play the game all the time but come back for a few months every year and it's always a fun time, you should try it again for yourself some day.
@@TerraTheWiseMaybe you find it interesting but not the grinding aspect of it. I've seen people who don't play Genshin but are deeply interested in the lore or even how the mechanics evolve over time. An improvement is an improvement.
This is a well thought and explained video, you take into the consideration about element capabilities in terms of raw damage as well as its elements reactions like how hydro is pretty much used in most of the other element combos such as bloom, hyperbloom, freeze, melt, superconfuct, swirl, electro-charged. Hydro really is the strongest element by far and will remain so, unironically without water we wouldn't live, so they thought of adding this idea to the game, as water being as important in reactions as it is for humans irl hahah.
Physical should be able to deal with every elemental shield and resistance from enemies, just a little weaker than the elements that react with them. So you trade some efficacy (say hydro against a fire shield) but you can use it against everything. Kinda like normal pokémon.
Physical should penetrate through every elemental shields without damaging their shields while at the same time dealing true damage without hindered by any elemental RES.There,fix it.
Physical is HARD CARRIED by Eula alone and she's still stupidly strong now especially with Furina's release. Problem is Elemental shields in abyss ruining her viability most of the time. Wish they did something about this, it's such a simple fix. Having a character that doesn't care about elemental resistances, immunities, and even about physical resistances is so nice
I'm surprised how few was said about nev basically powercreeping 99% of the cast. He can: 1. Sustain himself 100% and being hypercarry means you don't need healing in his team 2. His single target damage is greater than Tao's while having aoe close to nahida's ult (spin). It's a bit less than c2 nahida hyperbloom if he is at c0 3. He is flexible as he can play with vape, hyper or hyperbloom
Hydro though makes me remember that famous Bruce Lee quote... "Be formless, shapeless like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes to cup. If you put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water my friend."
Hydro is the most universal element holding the most reactions in the game. That's what makes it my favorite element. Unlike pyro which almost every of its existences is about dmg, hydro is very well-balanced. That means hydro characters can be used as great supports like kokomi, yelan, nilou, furina etc and hypercarries like ayato, childe and neuvilette. Hydro is perfect in everything, from reactions, applications, healing, supports to dmg
Dendro could have been a way to buff Geo by giving it a reaction like it did with Electro. Moreover it would have been logical, since plants grow on earth. And it could also have a reaction with Anemo, some kind of sandstorm that deals damage over time in an area and blinds foes inside it.
Geo here meant to be rocks. Rock is solid, barely moves or changes. Wind can't move rock and plants can't grow over solid rock unless it's soil but that's not geo.
@@wahyuwirawan727 Then it doesn't explain why it reacts with fire, water, frost or electricity. And wind can affect rocks, it's called 'erosion', the very same thing the lord of Geo complains about.
@@Naestrith it's called crystallized. It is only infused with elements, making it a bit have those elements properties thus resistant to that element. It's basically a heat resistant crystal (pyro), cold resistant crystal (cryo), charged crystal (electro), wet less crystal (hydro).
@@wahyuwirawan727 I know that, but I also know that electricity doesn't work like that at all. You can't disperse electricity through wind because air isn't a conductor. And you can't burn electricity. All of it is arbitrary and the fact that Geo has the worst reaction is only because Hoyo chose to not create something around it though they could have and still can.
Most accurate ranking so far imo. Pyro and cryo really need some saving grace. Not making cryo react with dendro was a big mistake. Overload could also use a bit of revisiting. Hydro on the other hand will just continue to dominate.
Honestly... what's up with cryo not being able to react with dendro? Also what's with dendro not swirlable by anemo? (Now from meta standpoint this would be a bad idea as it could overpower any other elemental auras, well just reduce its gauge unit or rebalance dendro overall if it swirlable, but if no one was given a chance to try out dendro element before sumeru release, I doubt people would ask dendro would be unswirlable)
Pyro is fine but yeah it is the easiest element to get powercrept because their power is damage although Lyney does not step on others because he is not reliant on Vape. It's just hard for them to go on another direction aside from offensive pressure. Look at the failure that is Dehya who strayed away from the conventional mechanic of Pyro and became the worst 5-star in the game.
What to help Physical, give it some special effects reactions related to each element. Something like GEO, you can get increased shield break. Anemo extra true damage from vacuum hits or something.
I mean, it was the base for electrocute, vape and freeze in versions 1.x and 2.x, then it became the base for dendro cores reactions in versions 3.x, and now we're in the region of hydro where we get the strongest hypercarry in the game as a hydro character. It has always been the best element but it's just getting better.
i think the way genshin is heading, we will be inteoduced with a celestial/abyss alignment, that will be a powerup to characters to give us more verity. sort of like a mix of an extra talent/constellation and psneuma/ousma. it will probably be introduced while/after sheznaya. and i think that is the only chance to balance out the hydro meta without giving players the feeling of loosing something.
I always wondered ever since Nilou came out if there could be a geo character that can turn crystals into mini-explosions that deal dmg based of the wielder's defense & level. It might help geo's reaction; but its just an idea.
Or maybe the geo character could make the crystals turn into buffs or something like pyro crystal gives you attack boost, hydro crystal gives you an hp buff or healing, electro crystal gives more energy, and cyro crystal gives more crit rate
That's just bloom. The real problem is that end game is a time attack DPS check. The crystalize was never going to really be viable. If we had an end game Labyrinth Warriors that wasn't a time attack but also had Abyss scaling enemies, then we would be discussing defensive options differently.
An EM scaling Geo character would be perfect (if the numbers are decent), but there is none. Albedo with EM on a shatter team could be good if A) Shatter did 3x the damage it does now or B) Albedo's damage scaled with EM... Crystalize shields are actually good when you can proc them every 3 seconds and have a reason to build EM.
Yeah, a bad idea lol. I hear this idea so often and it's easy to see why. It's simple yet effective on paper but that would just be bloom so nothing has changed besides GEO now has a downgraded bloom reaction restricted to one character. Even if you say that the shards deal different elemental damage (pyro shards deal pyro and hydro shards deal hydro), I don't that would surpasses the mono teams.
**LEAK ALERT** just a note on lyney VV shred won't be his best option in 4.3 Chevruese will change that **SERIOUSLY A LEAK ALERT** Chevruese will offer 40% atk and 40% Pyro and electro resistance shred under 2 conditions Limiting your party to electro and Pyro characters(same restriction condition that nilou has) And triggering overload reaction With C6 she will grant a maximum of 60% Pyro dmg bonus It's kazover lol
the kinda sad thing is that you can imagine a universe where physical *could* interact with the elements, but we'll probably never see that universe. you see a hint of it with the concept of needing a claymore user to break rocks, and it's not hard to see where you could go from there if you think of it as, "fist/weapon + element". like maybe physical could be good against geo, cryo and shields, maybe it could be weak to hydro, maybe pyro could buff it if you want to get super anime. you could build lore around it too--maybe physical is associated more with human willpower than with power granted by the gods, in which case it could be related to khaenri'ah. there's a lot you could do there that i don't think hoyo would ever consider doing.
Claymores already apply the Shatter reaction to cryo shields on every hit, it's just that the damage to shields done this way is very bad and Shatter as a reaction should be expanded upon. It scales on ATK and EM both which makes it really ass
@@sparg_mm exactly, we need more stuff like Shatter. and if it applies to cryo, it should apply to geo too--why else do you need a claymore user for mining? and it doesn't have to be claymores, you could easily do something with swords, polearms and even bows. i would just love to see them expand on physical and have it actually engage with the elements.
(EDIT) TLDR: Its hard for me to think dendro is better than electro when it's entire identity is being a buff for electro, meaning electro does everything dendro does but still retains its old options while dendro can only be relevenat with electro. I think youre backwards on electro and dendro. Yes. Dendro came after and significantly increased the value of electro. But dendro is also completely reliant on electro as a result. All of dendros usable reactions are electro reactions. One of them even *isn't* a hydro reaction. Dendro is more reliant on electro than it even relies on hydro. Synergy is a 2 way street. All the downsides of electro (not much in the way of mono element damage options and a heavy reliance on reactions) are even more prevalent in dendro. Electro has usable and even competitive playstyles independent of dendro though. So by thay token dendro is actually more dependent on electro than the other way around. On a other note. The weakness you added to electro of lack of mono element options. You were around in version 1 right? Electro was literally the mono element roster. Outclassing Geo at its own job. Electro units were designed with very high multipliers (raiden, beidou, fischl, even lisa's burst) to make up for the lack of damage they got through reactions. Electro has always been one of the best elements as a mono. It doesnt have specific units that force it luke Lyney for pyro, but that doesnt make it bad at that. You can slap beidou and fischl on any team (except raiden cause controversy) and that team will beat any content without reactions just cause of sheer numbers it pushes. Sucrose tazer has been a strong team since 1.0 (before electro charged and swirl did damage.) And it was 90% beidou and fischl just slapping numbers out. Amd electro has gotten stronger units since. And now has aggravate which incentivises stacking as much electro as possible, making teams of double or triple electro work perfectly fine wether they just run an anemo or they just run a dendro. I think you're overestimating dendro's value as an element because it has the same downsides as electro does to a heavier degree while being more reliant on one specific element (electro itself, even) than electro is. Sure it heavily raised the floor, but both of its reactions that raised the floor directly require electro, meaning both elements are equally responsible for that floor raise. Dendro is just given the credit because it came after, not because its doing more. Take the electro out of any dendro teams and they fall off the face of the earth. (Except nilou specirically). But take the dendro out of electro teams? You can find something else to put there. Itll work perfectly fine. Do a quick thought exercise. Remove electro from the game and think about what all is lost. You lose double swirl with EC. You lose tazer. You lose overvape. You lose both hyperbloom and aggravate. You lose superconduct (which isnt much of a loss but is one of the only lifelines for physical.) The only electro reactions that are duds are overload, which can be made better with overvape to not be a dud. And superconduct. Which provides a unique interaction that isnt provided elsewhere so is practically a necessary dud. Now remove dendro. You lose hyperbloom and spread. We can also say you lose burn, which is nigh the worst reaction in the game even behind superconduct. And burgeon. Which. Isnt that bad, but because it risks burn, is very very hard to make valud use of. The only things dendro provided thatre valuable are very very valuable. But theyre also lost without electro anyways. Meaning electro is equal parts responsible for that value. Whereas electro provided many other valuable options and even the not great ones still serve a purpose. Its a stronger element. Has all of dendro's tools and more. Dendro is just being given the credit for better tools because it came along more recently, despite the tools themselves still belonging just as much to electro as they do to dendro. Dendro is currently the only element treated as though its reactions belong exclusively to it and thats because it brought them in more recently, bringing in a change. It gives a biased persepective. Quicken isnt any less an electro reaction as freeze is a hydro reaction. Its not like hyperbloom is 90% dendro influence. Its 33%. It still doesnt work without 33% of hydro and 33% of electro. Meaning its an equal tool in all 3 of their arsenals. It shouldnt be treated like an exclusive merit of dendro just cause dendro introduced it as a change to the game.
Since Navia's kit will be geo, I hope there will be interactions with the elemental shards geo drops. Like obtaining a geo shard grants Navia stacks that significantly boosts the power of her attacks while using up the stacks. That way, we aren't changing how the elemental reactions work, we're just adding kit specific interactions to those reactions.
they should change superconduct from reducing phys resistance to a defense reduction. (freeing up phys comps from needing cryo + electro) then make a supportive artifact set to apply a reduction of phys resistance. geo is on another level of doom, even harder to fix and probably needs a rework. but idk im too tired to even dream about it.
I can't wait to see what Natlan has in store for the Pyro element... If every region has completely shaken the meta- i am so excited to see what Hoyoverse cooks up! 😩🙏
Geo and physical suffer from many enemies having shields or higher resistance to them rather than just lack of proper support, I would argue Anemo and Dendro are tied since they got many similarities both exceptionally powerful against shield or harder enemies yet most players optimize them through support similar to the archons meta builds.
I think geo suffers a lot more from just that, reaction: crystalize is redundant since zhongli exist, no existing gameplay requires you to have a shield in the first place, if you are a new player or exploring the world you better go with healing units, characters availability: we got more dendro characters being released than new strong geo in the last 8 patches, same goes with physical, from the looks of it, navia is just itto sidegrade, freminet didn't do anything for physical, this impact team building and variations, reliance: no characters rely on geo as element, those who do are geo themself or dps that have no stagger resistance, you could say a lot of team rely on hydro or anemo to work or being stronger option, but geo? No team dependent on geo to work
@@Biohacker777the only thing geo has for it right now is 4pc archaic, which wouldn't be so bad if crystallize shields weren't so annoying to use and we didn't have better options. Honestly if crystallize reaction scaled off DEF for bigger shields and were anything significant it would be pretty huge and a very simple fix
@@Biohacker777 The main issue here is crystalized. The reaction damage is poor, the shield is too weak, you'll have to collect the crystal shards but going towards them therefore only benefitting on-field melee characters, and it doesn't provide anything else besides a paper-thin shield. They NEED to rework at least the crystalized reaction as it's the entire element that's suffering. Literally every characters get screwed over because (mainly) crystalized doesn't do anything. No even it's*only one job*.
I hope when Abyssal/Quantum and Light/Imaginary gets introduced it interacts with each element differently and is just inherently the best 2 elements as they should be given they are 'Of another world'
geo start to have their use outside of mono geo once again after the release of non-atk scaling dmg dealers, as a form of archaic petra users they often used in tandem with viridescent venerer users to maximize the elemental buff without worrying about buffers that simply don't exist for them for example neuvillette doesn't have dedicated charged attack buffer, and no dedicated hydro buffer (furina is universal) so he often paired with kazuha/venti (or jean with furina) and zhongli with archaic petra to maximize his dmg output while also provide him his much needed interruption resistance
Literally the only 2 things hydro as a roster is missing is a grouper and shielder. It crazy how well cover hydro is as an element while others like pyro has half their roster as on field field dps with basically no offield support outside of XL. Like even cyro despite having the biggest roster doesnt have a lot of options to have multiple units that cover similar things because its stuck sharing space in physical jail.
Like how I've watched enough Vars vids that I basically knew the list order. The hyperbloom trio of elements really shine both as part of that trio and apart. Though I didn't even consider phys an element initially
I remember some time ago, Light and Dark Elements were theorized. If they ever become real, I look forwatd to how they react to other Elements. Since majority of Elements react "realistically" (fire burns grass, water conducts electricty, being doused in water while in sub-zero tempature is a bad time, etc) I hope Light and Dark reactions will be abnormal and totally insane, especially Light and Dark together.
You asked if mobile players hate the controls. I just switched to playing on ps5, so IDK if I still count, but I played on mobile for around to years with perfect attendance without any problems with the controls. I think they work perfectly fine and don't obscure the screen that badly.
This video just gave me an idea as to how Cryo could be uplifted without a direct reaction with Dendro being invented, A unit which directly buffs using Cryo Reactions in tandem with other reactions. For example,a common trick used in Melt teams is that they're also partially burning teams as the reaction can assist in consistent pyro application. Freeze teams also use Dendro in a unique way via Fridge Comps. Using Freeze(And also superconduct,though not purposefully) as a method of assisting with triggering hyperbloom consistently as Freeze's primary application in most cases is actually Hydro rather than Cryo.(Seen with swirling enemies effected by freeze which then results in swirling hydro.) A unit that directly buffs using Cryo in a supportive manner with it's reactions or other elements's reactions in indirect support of it would be very fun and interesting.
Unrelated to the video, but I crave to know how Fontaine has affected Tartaglia. You released a video on him right before Furina and Neuvillette! Much has changed! I need answers!! Not to be rude, of course. I love your videos, and enjoy whatever you produce. I'm just engaging in a bit of... drama.
@shadow546 lol, true, and he got his arse beaten a few times. i meant meta-wise, though, but you probably knew that and were joking haha. sorry, phrasing is weird.
I would "fix" physical dmg dealers by making them stun most of the enemies when they reach certain amount of dmg, actions, combos or whatever. Mostly how fighting games have a stun mechanic depending on how many hits you land consecutively on the foe, how many strong hits you land, or if you break their guard. That could be interesting. Also Honkai Impact has a mechanic called Impair (or so I remember) that kind of staggers the enemies or something like that.
Some fun buffs for Physical, Cryo and Geo would be: - dealing Physical or Geo to Shielded targets builds up the Shatter status (like posture damage, scaling off the damage dealt instead of the reactions caused), after reaching a certain threshold it will proc Shatter and instantly break the shield, Shatter will greatly decrease the targets resistances. - The regular Shatter of Frozen or Petrified targets will also greatly decrease the targets resistances. - Electro and Cryo should reduce the enemy Defense percentually for each application (like a Corrosion effect that builds up the more it is procced). Thsi way both Phys and Geo solve the issue of elemental shields, Superconduct becomes a way more useful reactions in general, Shatter will have a more meaningful effect (even though I wish applying Geo to a Geo afflicted character would Petrify said character, idk how it would be useful for synergy with other elements)
With Vars' "hydro will mold to anything Genshin needs" it's interesting because water takes the shape of his containers, I think that's what he meant but still very cool
Idk if anyone else thought of it but i had an interesting idea to maybe make geo better while letting them maintain their crystalize shield gimmick. That being the element that was crystalized and used for the shield give unique buffs depending on the element. So maybe a hydro shield would also give temporary bonus hp, Pyro shield could buff elemental reaction damage or something, a plain geo shield would give a physical attack buff. Or infuses basic attacks with the element crystalized. Idk i just wanna see geo actually just be up there with the rest of the elements.
5:48 as bad as the state of geo element is, the characters can still do this job. Since around 3.0 I have geo for my 2nd team in abyss and they never fail me
Yeah, theses rankings are about what I expected them to be. Though I do find it interesting that with the exception of geo, the lowest ranking elements are all ones that haven't had there archons made playable yet. That means there's still hope for their meta to receive development. As for geo...well, good luck Navia, cause a lot of people are gonna have some unrealistic expectations for you to live up to. Physical archon when Hoyoverse?
"We have our damage dealers through Alhaitham and Tighnari, our supports like Nahida, Kirara, Collei, and D.MC, and then our healers in the form of Yaoyao and Baizhu." Kaveh: *cries in debt*
I think the only way Physical and Geo can become more relevant is if they make a bunch of common and elite enemies with a non-elemental sheild that acts like second HP bar which only takes Physical (or Geo) dmg, and the enemies themselves are immune to elemental reaction damage (including dmg boosts like Vaporise, meaning that your Hu Tao will hit as if theres no Hydro on the enemy) but have negative resistance to Physical (or Geo) damage so your Freminet can hit harder. Another way to make it more important is to add a set different effects, somewhat similar to elemental reactions, that trigger when you hit an enemy, affected by an element, with a Physical atk. We already have Shatter, which triggers when you hit a Frozen enemy with Physical or Geo dmg, so this job has already been started. It shouldn't have to be anything too complicated, even small buffs would be enough. Like, hitting an Electro, Electro-Charged or Quicken afflicted enemy gives you elemental particles, hitting a Dendro or Hydro afflicted enemy makes them bleed and take dot equal to a percentage of the character's atk, and hitting a Pyro or Cryo afflicted enemy gives a small Physical dmg bonus. This would make room for new Physical dps characters of elements other than Electro and Cryo, that could work without necessarily needing Superconduct. Still, even if all of these "reactions" for Physical were applied for Geo too, the element wouldn't go much further than where it stands today. It is without saying that Geo needs a rework, and HoYoverse is wild for not fixing it and missing out on billions of dollars by making an entire class of characters unusable and disliked by the entire playerbase. The mono geo route they took in 2.3 was probably the most expensive mistake in the history of the company.
In the current version (4.2) I would rank Pyro below Cryo albeit only very slightly. The problem with Pyro at the moment is its lack of support units, yes we know that Bennett and Xiangling are present but in abyss, they almost always want to be comped with one another because one provides battery and one provides intense Pyro application. Compared to Cryo, which have a 5-star support (Shenhe), variety of healers (Diona, Mika, and recently added Charlotte), and utility and application (Kaeya, Rosaria, Layla), it's no surprise that Cryo has a more [great] variety than that of Pyro. Like seriously, Amber, Xinyan, Dehya (no hate to these characters, only mentioned because /something/ is lacking in their kit) add only a little and even arguably no value when put in a team composition. The last "great" 4-star support was Thoma, who got recently buffed in 3.0 following the Burgeon reaction. But even then Pyro only incentivizes you to use the "go-to" supports Bennett and Xiangling. All of Pyro's 5 stars are catered to damaging, and only one *can* be a support when built in a full HP build. Not to mention, it's the only element (in 4.2 atleast) that only has one healer in its roster!
I fully agree with the list, especially the pyro part being xiangling and bennett the element. in fact, if xiangling was electro i think she could be just as good if not better. It's definitely the most basic element in the game, buff damage consistently. it will never be bad but.... dendro's crazy reactions have frankly broadened the scope (which is a good thing). Of course, hydro is the best element and anyone arguing that is living the past. it enables everything, and genshin is about enabling. All good points here and I think this list is pretty objective vs the cryo/pyro placement being a bit debatable, but pyro has bennet and xiangling as its power core which are 4* which is why I definitely agree with cryo being worse. also fun note, klee might be the best pyro carry for speedrunning now which I think is really cool that the first unique 5* pyro is now the fastest. electro vs pyro is still an interesting topic. I personally agree electro is better because I find most their damage is frontloaded or safe. most the best taser teams are even more safe than chain freeze, due to them often using beidou and xinqiu for an 85% damage decrease +minor healing. and aggravate teams having their dps condensed into the first few seconds makes it not only a good low level strategy (due to a lot of the damage being focused on levels rather than artifacts). it also has a really high ceiling with good artifacts mainly crit stats to just burst everything. also on geo. NAVIA LEAK SPOILERS . . . her damage being based on crystalized means that she has a chance to fix some of geos problems, but unless she can break elemental shields effectively, i doubt it.
@@sukuna7583 klee in Speedrunning had gained a MASSIVE boost with furina. She's by far benefitted the most vs every other character. I specify Speedrunning cause it needs high level investment. And technically isn't very casual (though the teams are easy) lyney is definitely easier to play as a casual. Hutao requires a bit less investment. Sorry but yoimiya unless whaling doesn't compare to the current klee team. Jamie (a speedrunner/theory crafter) posted a really in depth video on why she's so good now. But I'll summarize. Furina gives klee marachaussee as a set, which by itself is like a 12-20% DPS increase over past sets. Klee as a unit applies so much pyro not even xinqiu could supply it. So she was religated to mono pyro which had some problems, the big one being the really long setup time as you had to swirl with kazuha twice in the rotation. The furina team fixes that + added DPS. Klee, kazuha, Bennett, furina. Bennett is on maidens beloved invested in healing. He can heal 10k per tick which is over half the HP of all your characters when built properly (as in few to no hp% substats. This is why I say it's more a hyper resin investment team), which triggers furina overheal and it becomes enough to sustain furinas draining. Its on par with hutao for DPS for sure, it's really smooth to play (unlike hutao). Is not con or weapon dependant at all, unlike hutao. Overall it's a big upgrade for klee that definitely propels her to such a high spot. I'll reply with the full video if you want to see the in depth details :) Edit: here, th-cam.com/video/Fkn1wmGf0pg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=7L8AABLDFOeTGPTS
I think that to make physical actually something good you need to make it somehow interact with the elements, not like reactions but like passives, like if you have 3 pyro units in the team it'll give you a heating up passive, every X seconds you get one stack which buffs some of the stats but if you hold it for too long you'll overheat and be forced to switch a hero
I think I disagree with Dendro being higher than Anemo. It's quite the francly the best supporting element, with both VV being universal with its resistance shred in any situation and having a level of crowd control that can compensate for any location the enemies are placed in. It's not only the backbone of any mono elemental team of any element it can swirl, but also a major part of many elemental reactions like vaporize, electrocharged, aggravate, melt, and many others. It's just an indispensable part of any team it has something to contribute to
Personally I'd have said the opposite. One of anemo's few weaknesses is that can actually feel dispensable in a lot of teams (though definitely not all). I've always seen it as the cherry on top. Rarely essential, but almost always the way to get the most out of them.
@@jarrenraves I would agree that Dendro is a better element than Anemo right now, if we do not consider grouping. It is such an invaluable asset, both for Abyss and overworld, that it puts it over Dendro imho. Ironically, the teams that don't need Anemo are mostly Dendro teams (let's just put aside Geo and Phys), which makes it easy to build 2 teams for Abyss. It's also the best element for Solo runs. I've played Solo C1 Faruzan (2 copies 1st 10 pull) until AR 40 on an alt account and never had so much fun.
Overall, I have to mostly agree on you ranking and I appreciate the nuance you put in the middle low ranking elements (which I found lacking in your Ganyu video). However, I still can't grasp why Electro is so good apart from Hyperbloom (basically Kuki and Raiden). I can't get good results with a quicken team.
If you have keqing or yae you could try them with kazuha/sucrose fischl and any dendro applicator it does so much damage and my favorite team in the game
It does good damage you just need good Crit and EM on your characters as well as decent amount of attack for it to perform well it's not going to you immediate results like HB where you can just slap crappy EM main stats artifacts & call it a day.
Also, The fact that the end game is more into time trial battle rather than survival, is also the reason Geo went to the 'worst' elements Geo character practically carrying their elements, not the other way around Geo really in need a "Nilou" that can add / buff crystalized. But different than Nilou that only buff Dendro + Hydro (which is restrictive, and for many people found it 'boring')... A crystalized buffer characters can open many possible party because Crystalized can be made from pyro-hydro-cryo-electro --- I honestly doesnt consider "Physical" as elements compared to others because everyone other than catalyst users can be build into physical attacker (Not efficient, but still can) While Eula Razor and Xinyan are Physical damage dealer, but they have their own elements
As someone that has been following leaks; Navia might revitalize Geo in the sense that she fits in teams that actually use elements if the leaks are right, but she doesn't revitalize geo in the sense that she suddenly makes the other geo units more useful; quite the contrary actually, she doesn't seem to fit well in Geo teams at all
Still love Geo by simply working unconditionally good for being mono and still effectively do something in many scenario so I can investing full of their constellation
Hydro is definitly the best and my favorite element. Hydro even has my favorite characters Neuvillette, Ayato, Furina, and Yelan. Not to mention how broken hydro ressonance is.
I would’ve loved it if geo and physical had reactions with each other to make both of them more relevant. It would solve Physical not existing and Geo being too consolidated to function. Give it something like giving enemies a Geo Aura, with physical attacks making a “Smash” reaction. Or maybe Physical attacks can have their own reaction that only reacts to itself-consistent physical charged attacks will give a “Bleed” debuff that simply does a little bit of damage over time. This status effect can also be a catalyst to a vastness of reactions based off of Physical Damage, with Geo being its strongest reaction. Something like the following: *Crumble* - Bleed + Geo. Sends out a Geo Resonance (similar to Zhongli’s Pillar) that can also trigger onto other enemies and nearby Geo Constructs as a chain reaction. Enemies hit by this resonance take damage and receive -50% Def & Geo Resistance for 8 seconds. Triggering this effect on another bleeding enemy will create another Resonance source. *Scorching* - Bleed + Pyro. Basically greatly increases Bleed Damage. *Bogged* - Bleed + Hydro. Reduces Enemy Healing Effectiveness -50%, and its DoT sustained from the enemy will heal the active party member by a % of the amount of damage dealt. *Static-Induced* - Bleed + Electro. Creates a field around the enemy that inflicts a % of damage from its DoT and Electro Aura onto any other enemies inside the field for every tick of DoT induced. *Frostbitten* - Physical + Cryo. Reduces enemy movement speed and attack speed by 50%. Attacking a frostbitten enemy grants a 6 second buff that can inflict a Cryo aura onto an enemy that is attacked by via normal attacks.
A new shield/crystalize related artifact set could help geo a bit I think. Geo is a pretty comfy element, with essentially every character being able to provide shield support through crystalize, so maybe an artifact set similiar to hue's clam could bring some life into these comps. Basically a spiky shield dynamic, in which bonus revenge dmg is dealt depending on how many hits the shield takes/etc. Definitely not the only remake geo needs, but the aspect of every geo character being a potential shielder is a pretty interesting one imo. Also with furina's release i desperately hope we get a geo healer. I've been using her with itto for the memes, and it's unironically pretty enjoyable. Still you sacrifice gorou's 3d geo member bonus, bcs you need a healer.
I also don’t quite understand y many people don’t like using pyro with dendro with the same EM bergoen does the same amount of damage as hyperbloom I do understand that u need a healer with the team but so do u in nilou bloom and I don’t see anyone complaining about that
Probably comes down to the characters most often used (thoma requires some more care in rotations in comparison to kuki or em raiden etc) and also the fact that if you dont apply hydro fast enough you get burning which is not a meta reaction in comparison to quicken (quickbloom teams are more common than teams with burning reaction)
burgeon is a lot more finicky because if you apply pyro at the wrong time you get burning and then you lose out on blooms until you remove the burning and it’s a huge damage loss
Basically its cuz burning acually harmful for a burgeon comp. If u trigger a burn,u cant get any burgeons untill u take care of that burning aura. If u compared burning to electro charged which hyperbloom teams have,its a much much worse reaction. EC dosnt screw ur bloom generation,it acually helps u to get more blooms. Also u get quicken in hyperbloom teams as well so units like alhaitham or cyno can to alot of dmg utilizing that as well. Also,thoma as a trigger is just inferior to raiden and kuki in thier respective comps and the semi reliance on a healer for burgeon introduces more problems. Kuki in hyperbloom consolidates both healer and hyperbloom trigger role while thoma is only there as a burgeon trigger. So u need to dedicate another slot for a healer in a burgeon team. Meanwhile hyperbloom dont need to do that.
I feel like a simple fix for physical would be for characters that revolve around it to ingore or debuff enemy defense when attacking, sorta like how hydro is hp-based and dendro is em-based
considering that there are many viable mono teams (being anemo, geo, hydro, pyro) and somewhat viable mono teams (cryo, electro), it seems immpossible to make a good mono dendro team just because of how the element works. would there ever be a mono dendro team?
the closest to it you can get IMO is 3 dendro 1 electro (with the best being yae nahida al haitham and baizhu) unless they make a dendro with a passive like gorou where random dendro reactions happen if you have a full team of them. I would personally love that,
I bought a backbone earlier in the year and returned it. Havent checked recently but as of four months ago there was no controller support for genshin and unless you want people spying on your usage stay away from the freewear that maps touch to controller. Dendro really is a double edged sword. While it drives many of the top teams. That has come at the cost of every none denrdo team. Regardles if how you look at. It really has powercrept the game. I for one am looking forward to dendro shields and heavily dendro and dendro reaction resistant enemies so hoyo can bring down the overall hp pool of enemies. The fact that you can still brute force yourself through the chicken chamber with a dendro teams speaks words
I believe they should also fix hydro swirl, cause that doesnt deal dmg to surrounding enemies for some reason, only applying the element instead (the game considers hydro swirl as applying "wet" as you can see in-game, and thus also dealing no swirl dmg in the process)
Aside from elemental shields mentioned by others,physical is severely debuffed by Phys resistance being Way Too Common!!! I’m vibing with my dps qiqi and I attack some boss and I can tell obviously they have phys resistance, and I’m like… I get when some enimies have it, sometimes it makes sence even just in world wise but it’s still way too much cause it out balances it.
Geo really needs a improvement with added reactions with the others. Maybe a rework where in addition to the crystalize, a new effect that adds a element over the enemy for a longer period of time, allowing for a enemy to be affected by more than one element at a time, like double swirl does. Like for example could have Soften (Hydro +Geo), Magma (Pyro+Geo), Dust (Anemo+Geo), Glacial (Cryo+Geo) Growth (Dendro+Geo) Grounded (Electro+Geo), each allowing for additional reactions to affect the enemy. This way now you can have a Geo included in various teams, and not just mono Geo
I feel like if there was a Geo character that could convert shields into attacks, that’d be the most obvious good Geo character, but because there’s not one, it’s just a weak element. It really doesn’t help that we haven’t gotten Geo characters in forever. Navia is looking kind of like that, but it’s hard to say. Also Geo could’ve had a dendro reaction smh. With natlan on the horizon though, I think we’ll probably get pyro buffs. Same with cryo in Schneznia.
i guess the only thing i can think of for eula is the cryo hydro freeze that then has a shatter reaction from claymore which when its eula is a decent damage number i suppose
day 10 of asking vars for his cryo element analysis (There's hope considering this video guys!) I understand that this video like most other content talking about the strength of the elements in the game is subjective and as you said numerous times, the placement of most elements could be argued based on circumstance and content being tackled. I just found the order being very similar to my own and the order that a group of my friends came up with as a very interesting coincidence. The idea that a content creator I respect views the game and its mechanics in a similar way was a surprisingly nice thing to find out today. Thanks for the enjoyable video as always vars, enjoy your day.
Honostly at this point physical is such a meme they should just make it so Eula gets a cryo infusion to her autos when she ults and just make her a cryo character
well, they made themselves pretty clear that physical is not an element, so it won't get any benefit in foreseeable future.. but they can surely make some adjustments like phys buffers or atk-spd enhancers to keep their existing character look strong (tho Eula is already too strong by her own). As for Geo.. I want to see how Navia saves geo or just make it another gimmick but honestly speaking, I see geo as a defensive element which need not to react with others to make it viable cuz that's not what geo characters supposed to be doing to begin with.
I don't know, I wouldn't cross the other elements off by the end of Genshin lol. We have at least 2 more zones with Natlan and Shneznaya coming and I'd be very surprised if the meta wasn't shaken up even once during that time.
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I don't think Genshin on Android even supports external controllers. Apple pays hoyo to keep it that way.
@@ashd9196exactly
@@ashd9196 you're right, they've supported controllers on iphone since forever, but no support for android after 3 years. Scummy anti-consumer bullshit they decided to pull since hoyoverse have good relations with apple.
Doesn't that option always shows up (external control do not support android).
So it wouldn't be legal
Controls are not the issue on mobile - the amount of storage left is. 😭
Biggest issue for phys and geo is honestly just elemental shields. Too many enemies just have elemental barriers that make it difficult for those teams to reliably deal with, especially when taking into account enemies that completely negate damage if their shield is up.
That is genuilly geo biggest problem,(same with physical dmg) that those sheilds quite literally ruin the game, I think it's ok if a enemy locks u out of using one element, but when a sheild is up, no matter HOW OP UR PEICES ARE, u just can't peirce the sheild at all with geo (unless ur throwing ur head at the wall for 8 hours) and in my opinion i think they should just STOP making ELEMENTAL sheilds, if they want to make a sheild go over the enemy as a gimick, and have ANYBODY be able to brake it, remove abyss heralds or nerf how there sheilds work,(make it a phase Two instead would be good so they get there special abilitys at the end) cause if anybody thinks "oh it makes the game harder and people been asking for the game to be harder" and no that is not called being hard, that's being annoying
Agreed. This is also the main reason why I will never use geo or physical chars for exploration. I used Ning for exploration back in the day and it was simply anemic. Taking down anything that has shields could take an eternity.
To be fair, Hydro immune enemies are fracking EVERYWHERE. It's honestly a huge pain.
As a former itto main this pained me so much LMAOO, i started playing genshin cause of him and when i got him, i struggled a lot while using him in abyss. To the point i had to pull other comps so i could 36* it, i still love him(obvi cause i got his premium mono geo comp lol), i still use him once in awhile if the mobs aren’t anti-geo
@@Accountthatexists Geo should be able to break shields evenly across elements (Probably already a thing)
Physical... yeah idk, good luck making physical DPS meta
The idea that Pyro characters will "cannibalize" eachother seems like a 4D chess calculated plan. The Nation of Pyro is the Nation of War and I feel like the Pyro Archon's gameplay will not avert that but only strengthen it, rewarding damage above all and forcing all Pyro characters to sacrifice others, or as Dainsleif said: "The victors shall burn bright, while the losers must turn to ash"
To add to my point, so far it seems all elements sorta flow and peak with the archons, their stories, and their ideals.
Anemo: With maybe the exception of Xiao and Wanderer, all anemo units are used in rainbow teams (though Wanderer still encourages multiple elements), living free
Geo: Just like Morax, they are playing dead
Electro: Until 3.0, Electro was stale, unchanging, eternal in mediocrity but Ei's perception of eternity was changed, and so did the electro characters. Still "eternal", but moving forward they will make use of new advancements, doing the same thing, triggering the same reactions.
Dendro: Like Nahida being let out of her cage, Dendro came and imparted unto us the most complex element which doesn't get stronger and more diverse with new Dendro units (The wisdom), but with new Pyro, Hydro, and Electro units (the Knowledge) as only the Wise can comprehend knowledge.
Hydro: Repressed and in the background, never taking charge (Never working as an mono-element team) steps onto the stage with thunderous applause, like water, it can assume any shape and the shape now is a water beam.
Fates of Pyro and Cryo are yet to be witnessed, but Pyro will likely encourage burning away the weak pyro units to make the strong burn brighter while Cryo will reclaim the Ideal of "love" which the Tsaritsa helds and encourage supporting/sharing power of other elements
@@tropicalsnow8784 nice point of view, but Fischl is an exception to the mediocre electro characters. Since 1.0 she still is a very good unit and remained getting buffs (dendro and Golden Troupe), even without this, she is good because is still the character that generates the most elemental particles in the game, this is why until now she is seem as the best battery.
Biggest reach of all time lmao
@@carlosleite7011 I don't know why but people kept downplaying her as if she wasn't boardering the broken line.
Nah. All the drip-feed fake leaks that Hoyo puts out are saying that Natlan is going to have it's own gimmick how health change is Fontaine's gimmick. So they're just going to add some new thing instead of trying to fix or build on what they have.
Hydro being the best is no surprise
Fr it's not even close
I could still have seen anemo being at no. 1
@@FakeStuff5I also considered Anemo to be the best but the fact that it can't swirl with Geo and Dendro brings it down a bit. But yeah it's not that far off from Hydro
I could’ve seen dendro or even electro coming close
@@alrinri2723electro NEEDS dendro to be good (raiden and yae r exceptions)
I still find it baffling that despite soil being one of the things plants need in order to grow, dendro doesn't react with geo. But somehow electro got a reaction.
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Imagine if hyperbloom is triggered by geo instead of electro
Isn't Geo supposed to be "rock" and not "earth"? Which is why it's the anthesis of Anemo, which in turn don't react with one another.
It will be too strong
Crystalized = Shield
And we are all already know what is the strongest shield in Genshin Impact
Yea, those wooden shield that mitacurl held
lol
@@alport1331
Even then, hyperbloom makes seeds on the ground shoot off like rockets. I still don't see why they can't make the two react. They just don't care about the geo element.
One element to rule them all, Hydro.
For Geo I'd argue that since it is the element of shields, and it needs offensive uses, then it would make sense if it was especially effective against all shields. Boom, Geo affirms itself to be a true element, not a "mark" on its characters. That's the straight and coherent solution.
the only downside of hydro is the existence of hydro immune enemies that are everywhere now
Except Abyss
Most elements suffer from it except physical and geo
Everywhere? We have 3 bosses and two enemies that immune to hydro. That’s not very substantial.
Even then, hydro teams have lots of reactions specially with characters that need hydro applied to them, and a lot of hydro immunes have that by default.
Even on those enemies, hyperbloom works wonders. So even that is not that huge of a weakness for hydro
Geo definitely needs a buff if not a rework and Physical... I don't even know if anything can be done with it since it doesn't interact with the elements.
Buffing physical should be easy just give it "cracking" attributes, by that I mean, to get a percentage of physical damage converted to an elemental application of sorts that damages shields, same for geo, and that'd get them a tier or two higher, doing something _that_ simple would be enough to make them not suck so hard.
But hoyo won't do it 😂😅
New elements that covers geo’s weaknesses with reactions would be huge, or the ability to sacrifice shields for DPS like hydros sacrifice could also help.
Well technically Superconduct exists but unfortunately that's not enough to help Physical.
@@Exacerberus Freeze should also shred PHY resistance but not as much.
Physical should directly penetrate through every elemental shields without breaking them while dealing true damage without hindered by any elemental RES.There,fix it.
you know what i really want? An EM scaling pyro healer with good application. So you can go burgeon with a pyro onfield healer. THAT would be fun
So kinda like a Pyro Shinobu.
I would want more than Shinobu, probably at Xingqui levels.
It would take an interesting turn to make a Pyro EM buffer focusing on burn, overload and forward vape.
@@RaffoPhantom yeah! Kinda, but shinobu has split scaling. What I would envision is like a healer in which EM is the only scaling for the healing so that you have to play them in transformative reaction teams. Maybe even a passive that increases burn dmg on enemies if you get hit by burning yourself.
That way the heal and selfburn balance themselves or so
@@biggestouf so a pyro Baizhu&Shinobu mix hahah
Sounds like Bennett😂
Ironically now physical and geo also use hydro, or more specifically the hydro archon. Eula's best team now is Raiden/Furina/C6 Mika and Noelle is Furina/Yelan/Kazuha with Petra or Furina/Albedo/C6 Gorou with Marechaussee.
Furina does really well for characters that have very limited support options. Physical and geo can't swirl and they get pretty limited buffs from Bennet.
Also a side-note, please don't use c0 Eula with c0 Raiden, that team is huge bait since Eula wants to be on field 100% of the time and Raiden with no sub dps is worthless. Just replace her with golden troupe fischl. She has the same battery and damage potential of c0 Raiden without taking any field time
@@sparg_mmIdk what calcs your looking at but im pretty sure eula definitely doesnt want 100% on field time lmao
no its not hydro that Eula need but more Furina, since she increse Eula DMG and alos do good dmg with elemental skill
@@sparg_mm i use raiden for Eula battery, in fact Eula NEED Raiden
I haven't played Genshin since the year it came out but watching your channel has given me a pretty interesting look into how the game has changed over the years as if i never left
Guess what, the game hasn't changed ever beside get more chars (that most people don't have cause u have to pay money) that make the game easier and enemys that aren't hard, just enemy's that make the game more annoying, and no new gamemode has came out, game will always be exploration/story game(even though it's sucks at both of those)
Thé guy above is just madling, it's by no mean a perfect game but it has gotten a lot better since version 1. The open world exploration which is the main focus of the game has gotten better every major patch and new region are getting released every couple of months. News characters are fun but old one are still viable, and even the story is getting better recently. I don't play the game all the time but come back for a few months every year and it's always a fun time, you should try it again for yourself some day.
@@Dext3rM0rg4nthere is a *little* truth to what he said be honest, but i agree
Why bother keeping up with a game you've essentially never played?
@@TerraTheWiseMaybe you find it interesting but not the grinding aspect of it. I've seen people who don't play Genshin but are deeply interested in the lore or even how the mechanics evolve over time. An improvement is an improvement.
This is a well thought and explained video, you take into the consideration about element capabilities in terms of raw damage as well as its elements reactions like how hydro is pretty much used in most of the other element combos such as bloom, hyperbloom, freeze, melt, superconfuct, swirl, electro-charged. Hydro really is the strongest element by far and will remain so, unironically without water we wouldn't live, so they thought of adding this idea to the game, as water being as important in reactions as it is for humans irl hahah.
Physical should be able to deal with every elemental shield and resistance from enemies, just a little weaker than the elements that react with them. So you trade some efficacy (say hydro against a fire shield) but you can use it against everything. Kinda like normal pokémon.
Not just Physical, but blunt damage. This means shatter, claymores and Geo.
Physical should penetrate through every elemental shields without damaging their shields while at the same time dealing true damage without hindered by any elemental RES.There,fix it.
Physical is HARD CARRIED by Eula alone and she's still stupidly strong now especially with Furina's release. Problem is Elemental shields in abyss ruining her viability most of the time. Wish they did something about this, it's such a simple fix. Having a character that doesn't care about elemental resistances, immunities, and even about physical resistances is so nice
Large cope, be thankful that hoyo invented hydro archon
I'm surprised how few was said about nev basically powercreeping 99% of the cast. He can:
1. Sustain himself 100% and being hypercarry means you don't need healing in his team
2. His single target damage is greater than Tao's while having aoe close to nahida's ult (spin). It's a bit less than c2 nahida hyperbloom if he is at c0
3. He is flexible as he can play with vape, hyper or hyperbloom
Hydro though makes me remember that famous Bruce Lee quote... "Be formless, shapeless like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes to cup. If you put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water my friend."
Hydro is the most universal element holding the most reactions in the game. That's what makes it my favorite element. Unlike pyro which almost every of its existences is about dmg, hydro is very well-balanced. That means hydro characters can be used as great supports like kokomi, yelan, nilou, furina etc and hypercarries like ayato, childe and neuvilette. Hydro is perfect in everything, from reactions, applications, healing, supports to dmg
15:20 Are you maybe saying that the power of water is its ability to take any shape?
Dendro could have been a way to buff Geo by giving it a reaction like it did with Electro. Moreover it would have been logical, since plants grow on earth.
And it could also have a reaction with Anemo, some kind of sandstorm that deals damage over time in an area and blinds foes inside it.
Geo here meant to be rocks. Rock is solid, barely moves or changes. Wind can't move rock and plants can't grow over solid rock unless it's soil but that's not geo.
@@wahyuwirawan727 Then it doesn't explain why it reacts with fire, water, frost or electricity.
And wind can affect rocks, it's called 'erosion', the very same thing the lord of Geo complains about.
@@Naestrith it's called crystallized. It is only infused with elements, making it a bit have those elements properties thus resistant to that element. It's basically a heat resistant crystal (pyro), cold resistant crystal (cryo), charged crystal (electro), wet less crystal (hydro).
@@Naestrith wind and water can caused erosion but that removing geo at extremely long time not immediately. Hardly called reaction
@@wahyuwirawan727 I know that, but I also know that electricity doesn't work like that at all. You can't disperse electricity through wind because air isn't a conductor. And you can't burn electricity.
All of it is arbitrary and the fact that Geo has the worst reaction is only because Hoyo chose to not create something around it though they could have and still can.
Most accurate ranking so far imo. Pyro and cryo really need some saving grace. Not making cryo react with dendro was a big mistake. Overload could also use a bit of revisiting. Hydro on the other hand will just continue to dominate.
Honestly... what's up with cryo not being able to react with dendro?
Also what's with dendro not swirlable by anemo? (Now from meta standpoint this would be a bad idea as it could overpower any other elemental auras, well just reduce its gauge unit or rebalance dendro overall if it swirlable, but if no one was given a chance to try out dendro element before sumeru release, I doubt people would ask dendro would be unswirlable)
Welp, at least it allows Fridge teams.
Freeze procs before Bloom, allowing 3 seeds from Hydro on Dendro.
Pyro is fine but yeah it is the easiest element to get powercrept because their power is damage although Lyney does not step on others because he is not reliant on Vape.
It's just hard for them to go on another direction aside from offensive pressure. Look at the failure that is Dehya who strayed away from the conventional mechanic of Pyro and became the worst 5-star in the game.
@@reizshfelonia6471 dehya is the best 5 star in the game...
At underwater lol
Pyro and cryo needs their nation to be released to shine!! After natlan and Snezhnaya i am sure they will change meta
Can I just give you some props for your extremely palatable voice?? You’re on of the very few Genshin TH-camrs who doesn’t SHOUT. Really appreciate it
What to help Physical, give it some special effects reactions related to each element. Something like GEO, you can get increased shield break. Anemo extra true damage from vacuum hits or something.
Hydro is the best for me. Great content as always!
I mean, it was the base for electrocute, vape and freeze in versions 1.x and 2.x, then it became the base for dendro cores reactions in versions 3.x, and now we're in the region of hydro where we get the strongest hypercarry in the game as a hydro character.
It has always been the best element but it's just getting better.
i think the way genshin is heading, we will be inteoduced with a celestial/abyss alignment, that will be a powerup to characters to give us more verity. sort of like a mix of an extra talent/constellation and psneuma/ousma. it will probably be introduced while/after sheznaya. and i think that is the only chance to balance out the hydro meta without giving players the feeling of loosing something.
I always wondered ever since Nilou came out if there could be a geo character that can turn crystals into mini-explosions that deal dmg based of the wielder's defense & level. It might help geo's reaction; but its just an idea.
It was supposed to be Navia, but it's not.
Or maybe the geo character could make the crystals turn into buffs or something like pyro crystal gives you attack boost, hydro crystal gives you an hp buff or healing, electro crystal gives more energy, and cyro crystal gives more crit rate
That's just bloom. The real problem is that end game is a time attack DPS check. The crystalize was never going to really be viable.
If we had an end game Labyrinth Warriors that wasn't a time attack but also had Abyss scaling enemies, then we would be discussing defensive options differently.
An EM scaling Geo character would be perfect (if the numbers are decent), but there is none. Albedo with EM on a shatter team could be good if A) Shatter did 3x the damage it does now or B) Albedo's damage scaled with EM... Crystalize shields are actually good when you can proc them every 3 seconds and have a reason to build EM.
Yeah, a bad idea lol. I hear this idea so often and it's easy to see why. It's simple yet effective on paper but that would just be bloom so nothing has changed besides GEO now has a downgraded bloom reaction restricted to one character. Even if you say that the shards deal different elemental damage (pyro shards deal pyro and hydro shards deal hydro), I don't that would surpasses the mono teams.
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just a note on lyney
VV shred won't be his best option in 4.3
Chevruese will change that
**SERIOUSLY A LEAK ALERT**
Chevruese will offer 40% atk and 40% Pyro and electro resistance shred under 2 conditions
Limiting your party to electro and Pyro characters(same restriction condition that nilou has)
And triggering overload reaction
With C6 she will grant a maximum of 60% Pyro dmg bonus
It's kazover lol
Is she 4* or 5*? Because it's something that might be worth saving for.
@@Gnidel she is a 4 stars and will be featured in the second half
Alongside yoimiya and Raiden shogun
@@Doctor_Apocalypse Oh no, that means I have to rely on randomness when she won't be featured because I save for Navia.
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I meant the same element restriction that nilou has...
gotcha
The only downside of Hydro is ending up getting Frozen thanks to it XD
The power of water is its ability to take any shape...
the kinda sad thing is that you can imagine a universe where physical *could* interact with the elements, but we'll probably never see that universe. you see a hint of it with the concept of needing a claymore user to break rocks, and it's not hard to see where you could go from there if you think of it as, "fist/weapon + element". like maybe physical could be good against geo, cryo and shields, maybe it could be weak to hydro, maybe pyro could buff it if you want to get super anime. you could build lore around it too--maybe physical is associated more with human willpower than with power granted by the gods, in which case it could be related to khaenri'ah. there's a lot you could do there that i don't think hoyo would ever consider doing.
Claymores already apply the Shatter reaction to cryo shields on every hit, it's just that the damage to shields done this way is very bad and Shatter as a reaction should be expanded upon. It scales on ATK and EM both which makes it really ass
@@sparg_mm exactly, we need more stuff like Shatter. and if it applies to cryo, it should apply to geo too--why else do you need a claymore user for mining? and it doesn't have to be claymores, you could easily do something with swords, polearms and even bows. i would just love to see them expand on physical and have it actually engage with the elements.
(EDIT) TLDR: Its hard for me to think dendro is better than electro when it's entire identity is being a buff for electro, meaning electro does everything dendro does but still retains its old options while dendro can only be relevenat with electro.
I think youre backwards on electro and dendro. Yes. Dendro came after and significantly increased the value of electro. But dendro is also completely reliant on electro as a result. All of dendros usable reactions are electro reactions. One of them even *isn't* a hydro reaction. Dendro is more reliant on electro than it even relies on hydro.
Synergy is a 2 way street. All the downsides of electro (not much in the way of mono element damage options and a heavy reliance on reactions) are even more prevalent in dendro. Electro has usable and even competitive playstyles independent of dendro though. So by thay token dendro is actually more dependent on electro than the other way around.
On a other note. The weakness you added to electro of lack of mono element options. You were around in version 1 right? Electro was literally the mono element roster. Outclassing Geo at its own job. Electro units were designed with very high multipliers (raiden, beidou, fischl, even lisa's burst) to make up for the lack of damage they got through reactions. Electro has always been one of the best elements as a mono. It doesnt have specific units that force it luke Lyney for pyro, but that doesnt make it bad at that. You can slap beidou and fischl on any team (except raiden cause controversy) and that team will beat any content without reactions just cause of sheer numbers it pushes. Sucrose tazer has been a strong team since 1.0 (before electro charged and swirl did damage.) And it was 90% beidou and fischl just slapping numbers out. Amd electro has gotten stronger units since. And now has aggravate which incentivises stacking as much electro as possible, making teams of double or triple electro work perfectly fine wether they just run an anemo or they just run a dendro.
I think you're overestimating dendro's value as an element because it has the same downsides as electro does to a heavier degree while being more reliant on one specific element (electro itself, even) than electro is. Sure it heavily raised the floor, but both of its reactions that raised the floor directly require electro, meaning both elements are equally responsible for that floor raise. Dendro is just given the credit because it came after, not because its doing more. Take the electro out of any dendro teams and they fall off the face of the earth. (Except nilou specirically). But take the dendro out of electro teams? You can find something else to put there. Itll work perfectly fine.
Do a quick thought exercise. Remove electro from the game and think about what all is lost. You lose double swirl with EC. You lose tazer. You lose overvape. You lose both hyperbloom and aggravate. You lose superconduct (which isnt much of a loss but is one of the only lifelines for physical.) The only electro reactions that are duds are overload, which can be made better with overvape to not be a dud. And superconduct. Which provides a unique interaction that isnt provided elsewhere so is practically a necessary dud.
Now remove dendro. You lose hyperbloom and spread. We can also say you lose burn, which is nigh the worst reaction in the game even behind superconduct. And burgeon. Which. Isnt that bad, but because it risks burn, is very very hard to make valud use of.
The only things dendro provided thatre valuable are very very valuable. But theyre also lost without electro anyways. Meaning electro is equal parts responsible for that value. Whereas electro provided many other valuable options and even the not great ones still serve a purpose. Its a stronger element. Has all of dendro's tools and more. Dendro is just being given the credit for better tools because it came along more recently, despite the tools themselves still belonging just as much to electro as they do to dendro. Dendro is currently the only element treated as though its reactions belong exclusively to it and thats because it brought them in more recently, bringing in a change. It gives a biased persepective. Quicken isnt any less an electro reaction as freeze is a hydro reaction. Its not like hyperbloom is 90% dendro influence. Its 33%. It still doesnt work without 33% of hydro and 33% of electro. Meaning its an equal tool in all 3 of their arsenals. It shouldnt be treated like an exclusive merit of dendro just cause dendro introduced it as a change to the game.
My 3 fave elememts to use are dendro, hydr and anemo, so im not surprised
Since Navia's kit will be geo, I hope there will be interactions with the elemental shards geo drops.
Like obtaining a geo shard grants Navia stacks that significantly boosts the power of her attacks while using up the stacks.
That way, we aren't changing how the elemental reactions work, we're just adding kit specific interactions to those reactions.
they should change superconduct from reducing phys resistance to a defense reduction. (freeing up phys comps from needing cryo + electro)
then make a supportive artifact set to apply a reduction of phys resistance.
geo is on another level of doom, even harder to fix and probably needs a rework. but idk im too tired to even dream about it.
I can't wait to see what Natlan has in store for the Pyro element... If every region has completely shaken the meta- i am so excited to see what Hoyoverse cooks up! 😩🙏
And electro will be the worst element once more
Geo and physical suffer from many enemies having shields or higher resistance to them rather than just lack of proper support, I would argue Anemo and Dendro are tied since they got many similarities both exceptionally powerful against shield or harder enemies yet most players optimize them through support similar to the archons meta builds.
I think geo suffers a lot more from just that, reaction: crystalize is redundant since zhongli exist, no existing gameplay requires you to have a shield in the first place, if you are a new player or exploring the world you better go with healing units, characters availability: we got more dendro characters being released than new strong geo in the last 8 patches, same goes with physical, from the looks of it, navia is just itto sidegrade, freminet didn't do anything for physical, this impact team building and variations, reliance: no characters rely on geo as element, those who do are geo themself or dps that have no stagger resistance, you could say a lot of team rely on hydro or anemo to work or being stronger option, but geo? No team dependent on geo to work
@@Biohacker777the only thing geo has for it right now is 4pc archaic, which wouldn't be so bad if crystallize shields weren't so annoying to use and we didn't have better options. Honestly if crystallize reaction scaled off DEF for bigger shields and were anything significant it would be pretty huge and a very simple fix
@@Biohacker777 The main issue here is crystalized. The reaction damage is poor, the shield is too weak, you'll have to collect the crystal shards but going towards them therefore only benefitting on-field melee characters, and it doesn't provide anything else besides a paper-thin shield.
They NEED to rework at least the crystalized reaction as it's the entire element that's suffering. Literally every characters get screwed over because (mainly) crystalized doesn't do anything. No even it's*only one job*.
I hope when Abyssal/Quantum and Light/Imaginary gets introduced it interacts with each element differently and is just inherently the best 2 elements as they should be given they are 'Of another world'
geo start to have their use outside of mono geo once again after the release of non-atk scaling dmg dealers, as a form of archaic petra users
they often used in tandem with viridescent venerer users to maximize the elemental buff without worrying about buffers that simply don't exist for them
for example neuvillette doesn't have dedicated charged attack buffer, and no dedicated hydro buffer (furina is universal) so he often paired with kazuha/venti (or jean with furina) and zhongli with archaic petra to maximize his dmg output while also provide him his much needed interruption resistance
Literally the only 2 things hydro as a roster is missing is a grouper and shielder. It crazy how well cover hydro is as an element while others like pyro has half their roster as on field field dps with basically no offield support outside of XL. Like even cyro despite having the biggest roster doesnt have a lot of options to have multiple units that cover similar things because its stuck sharing space in physical jail.
I have to agree almost completely, as much as I love Anemo I currently have no copum against hydro, the only thing I'd argue is Anemo being second
Like how I've watched enough Vars vids that I basically knew the list order. The hyperbloom trio of elements really shine both as part of that trio and apart.
Though I didn't even consider phys an element initially
I remember some time ago, Light and Dark Elements were theorized. If they ever become real, I look forwatd to how they react to other Elements. Since majority of Elements react "realistically" (fire burns grass, water conducts electricty, being doused in water while in sub-zero tempature is a bad time, etc) I hope Light and Dark reactions will be abnormal and totally insane, especially Light and Dark together.
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You asked if mobile players hate the controls. I just switched to playing on ps5, so IDK if I still count, but I played on mobile for around to years with perfect attendance without any problems with the controls. I think they work perfectly fine and don't obscure the screen that badly.
I can't help but keep paying attention to the 3 houses battle music in the background
This video just gave me an idea as to how Cryo could be uplifted without a direct reaction with Dendro being invented,
A unit which directly buffs using Cryo Reactions in tandem with other reactions. For example,a common trick used in Melt teams is that they're also partially burning teams as the reaction can assist in consistent pyro application. Freeze teams also use Dendro in a unique way via Fridge Comps. Using Freeze(And also superconduct,though not purposefully) as a method of assisting with triggering hyperbloom consistently as Freeze's primary application in most cases is actually Hydro rather than Cryo.(Seen with swirling enemies effected by freeze which then results in swirling hydro.)
A unit that directly buffs using Cryo in a supportive manner with it's reactions or other elements's reactions in indirect support of it would be very fun and interesting.
Technically, the Hydro archon power is measured between Furina and Neuvilette. And it shows. No reason why though ;)
Unrelated to the video, but I crave to know how Fontaine has affected Tartaglia. You released a video on him right before Furina and Neuvillette! Much has changed! I need answers!!
Not to be rude, of course. I love your videos, and enjoy whatever you produce. I'm just engaging in a bit of... drama.
childe was arrested
@shadow546 lol, true, and he got his arse beaten a few times. i meant meta-wise, though, but you probably knew that and were joking haha. sorry, phrasing is weird.
@@phillycheesegames8257hes still decent but many other units r better
@@sukuna7583 Fair, tbh. But I love him, so honestly I'm gonna use him as long as I can haha.
I would "fix" physical dmg dealers by making them stun most of the enemies when they reach certain amount of dmg, actions, combos or whatever. Mostly how fighting games have a stun mechanic depending on how many hits you land consecutively on the foe, how many strong hits you land, or if you break their guard.
That could be interesting.
Also Honkai Impact has a mechanic called Impair (or so I remember) that kind of staggers the enemies or something like that.
The only way to further improve Hydro is a melee catalyst user based on Bruce Lee.
Some fun buffs for Physical, Cryo and Geo would be:
- dealing Physical or Geo to Shielded targets builds up the Shatter status (like posture damage, scaling off the damage dealt instead of the reactions caused), after reaching a certain threshold it will proc Shatter and instantly break the shield, Shatter will greatly decrease the targets resistances.
- The regular Shatter of Frozen or Petrified targets will also greatly decrease the targets resistances.
- Electro and Cryo should reduce the enemy Defense percentually for each application (like a Corrosion effect that builds up the more it is procced).
Thsi way both Phys and Geo solve the issue of elemental shields, Superconduct becomes a way more useful reactions in general, Shatter will have a more meaningful effect (even though I wish applying Geo to a Geo afflicted character would Petrify said character, idk how it would be useful for synergy with other elements)
With Vars' "hydro will mold to anything Genshin needs" it's interesting because water takes the shape of his containers, I think that's what he meant but still very cool
Idk if anyone else thought of it but i had an interesting idea to maybe make geo better while letting them maintain their crystalize shield gimmick. That being the element that was crystalized and used for the shield give unique buffs depending on the element. So maybe a hydro shield would also give temporary bonus hp, Pyro shield could buff elemental reaction damage or something, a plain geo shield would give a physical attack buff. Or infuses basic attacks with the element crystalized. Idk i just wanna see geo actually just be up there with the rest of the elements.
water, being a liquid, can freely mold into and take many different shapes. its kind of neat that that is the reason why its good
Easily hydro. An element that's present in all of the games "best" reactions and has a good resonance.
5:48 as bad as the state of geo element is, the characters can still do this job. Since around 3.0 I have geo for my 2nd team in abyss and they never fail me
vars still doing every video possible but not the "why no one plays dori" that he promised
was lowkey thinking about this video just a few days ago, wondering if a new version had come out
always been a believer in hydro supremacy since I got xingqiu in 1.3 or something from lantern rite
Yeah, theses rankings are about what I expected them to be. Though I do find it interesting that with the exception of geo, the lowest ranking elements are all ones that haven't had there archons made playable yet. That means there's still hope for their meta to receive development. As for geo...well, good luck Navia, cause a lot of people are gonna have some unrealistic expectations for you to live up to. Physical archon when Hoyoverse?
I would put cryo over pyro because of the adsed utility it brings, but overall yes, this is what I would rank every element as well
"We have our damage dealers through Alhaitham and Tighnari, our supports like Nahida, Kirara, Collei, and D.MC, and then our healers in the form of Yaoyao and Baizhu."
Kaveh: *cries in debt*
I think the only way Physical and Geo can become more relevant is if they make a bunch of common and elite enemies with a non-elemental sheild that acts like second HP bar which only takes Physical (or Geo) dmg, and the enemies themselves are immune to elemental reaction damage (including dmg boosts like Vaporise, meaning that your Hu Tao will hit as if theres no Hydro on the enemy) but have negative resistance to Physical (or Geo) damage so your Freminet can hit harder.
Another way to make it more important is to add a set different effects, somewhat similar to elemental reactions, that trigger when you hit an enemy, affected by an element, with a Physical atk. We already have Shatter, which triggers when you hit a Frozen enemy with Physical or Geo dmg, so this job has already been started.
It shouldn't have to be anything too complicated, even small buffs would be enough. Like, hitting an Electro, Electro-Charged or Quicken afflicted enemy gives you elemental particles, hitting a Dendro or Hydro afflicted enemy makes them bleed and take dot equal to a percentage of the character's atk, and hitting a Pyro or Cryo afflicted enemy gives a small Physical dmg bonus.
This would make room for new Physical dps characters of elements other than Electro and Cryo, that could work without necessarily needing Superconduct. Still, even if all of these "reactions" for Physical were applied for Geo too, the element wouldn't go much further than where it stands today. It is without saying that Geo needs a rework, and HoYoverse is wild for not fixing it and missing out on billions of dollars by making an entire class of characters unusable and disliked by the entire playerbase. The mono geo route they took in 2.3 was probably the most expensive mistake in the history of the company.
In the current version (4.2) I would rank Pyro below Cryo albeit only very slightly. The problem with Pyro at the moment is its lack of support units, yes we know that Bennett and Xiangling are present but in abyss, they almost always want to be comped with one another because one provides battery and one provides intense Pyro application. Compared to Cryo, which have a 5-star support (Shenhe), variety of healers (Diona, Mika, and recently added Charlotte), and utility and application (Kaeya, Rosaria, Layla), it's no surprise that Cryo has a more [great] variety than that of Pyro.
Like seriously, Amber, Xinyan, Dehya (no hate to these characters, only mentioned because /something/ is lacking in their kit) add only a little and even arguably no value when put in a team composition. The last "great" 4-star support was Thoma, who got recently buffed in 3.0 following the Burgeon reaction. But even then Pyro only incentivizes you to use the "go-to" supports Bennett and Xiangling.
All of Pyro's 5 stars are catered to damaging, and only one *can* be a support when built in a full HP build. Not to mention, it's the only element (in 4.2 atleast) that only has one healer in its roster!
From the title: Hydro, it's Hydro, DEFINITELTY Hydro.
I fully agree with the list, especially the pyro part being xiangling and bennett the element. in fact, if xiangling was electro i think she could be just as good if not better. It's definitely the most basic element in the game, buff damage consistently. it will never be bad but.... dendro's crazy reactions have frankly broadened the scope (which is a good thing).
Of course, hydro is the best element and anyone arguing that is living the past. it enables everything, and genshin is about enabling.
All good points here and I think this list is pretty objective vs the cryo/pyro placement being a bit debatable, but pyro has bennet and xiangling as its power core which are 4* which is why I definitely agree with cryo being worse. also fun note, klee might be the best pyro carry for speedrunning now which I think is really cool that the first unique 5* pyro is now the fastest.
electro vs pyro is still an interesting topic. I personally agree electro is better because I find most their damage is frontloaded or safe. most the best taser teams are even more safe than chain freeze, due to them often using beidou and xinqiu for an 85% damage decrease +minor healing. and aggravate teams having their dps condensed into the first few seconds makes it not only a good low level strategy (due to a lot of the damage being focused on levels rather than artifacts). it also has a really high ceiling with good artifacts mainly crit stats to just burst everything.
also on geo. NAVIA LEAK SPOILERS
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her damage being based on crystalized means that she has a chance to fix some of geos problems, but unless she can break elemental shields effectively, i doubt it.
hu tao lyney and yoi r better than klee
@@sukuna7583 klee in Speedrunning had gained a MASSIVE boost with furina. She's by far benefitted the most vs every other character. I specify Speedrunning cause it needs high level investment. And technically isn't very casual (though the teams are easy) lyney is definitely easier to play as a casual. Hutao requires a bit less investment. Sorry but yoimiya unless whaling doesn't compare to the current klee team.
Jamie (a speedrunner/theory crafter) posted a really in depth video on why she's so good now. But I'll summarize.
Furina gives klee marachaussee as a set, which by itself is like a 12-20% DPS increase over past sets. Klee as a unit applies so much pyro not even xinqiu could supply it. So she was religated to mono pyro which had some problems, the big one being the really long setup time as you had to swirl with kazuha twice in the rotation.
The furina team fixes that + added DPS.
Klee, kazuha, Bennett, furina.
Bennett is on maidens beloved invested in healing. He can heal 10k per tick which is over half the HP of all your characters when built properly (as in few to no hp% substats. This is why I say it's more a hyper resin investment team), which triggers furina overheal and it becomes enough to sustain furinas draining.
Its on par with hutao for DPS for sure, it's really smooth to play (unlike hutao). Is not con or weapon dependant at all, unlike hutao.
Overall it's a big upgrade for klee that definitely propels her to such a high spot.
I'll reply with the full video if you want to see the in depth details :)
Edit: here,
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I think that to make physical actually something good you need to make it somehow interact with the elements, not like reactions but like passives, like if you have 3 pyro units in the team it'll give you a heating up passive, every X seconds you get one stack which buffs some of the stats but if you hold it for too long you'll overheat and be forced to switch a hero
I think I disagree with Dendro being higher than Anemo. It's quite the francly the best supporting element, with both VV being universal with its resistance shred in any situation and having a level of crowd control that can compensate for any location the enemies are placed in.
It's not only the backbone of any mono elemental team of any element it can swirl, but also a major part of many elemental reactions like vaporize, electrocharged, aggravate, melt, and many others.
It's just an indispensable part of any team it has something to contribute to
Personally I'd have said the opposite. One of anemo's few weaknesses is that can actually feel dispensable in a lot of teams (though definitely not all).
I've always seen it as the cherry on top. Rarely essential, but almost always the way to get the most out of them.
@@jarrenraves I would agree that Dendro is a better element than Anemo right now, if we do not consider grouping.
It is such an invaluable asset, both for Abyss and overworld, that it puts it over Dendro imho.
Ironically, the teams that don't need Anemo are mostly Dendro teams (let's just put aside Geo and Phys), which makes it easy to build 2 teams for Abyss.
It's also the best element for Solo runs.
I've played Solo C1 Faruzan (2 copies 1st 10 pull) until AR 40 on an alt account and never had so much fun.
Bro really just called Wanderer the strongest hypercarry when Neuvillette exists... Neuvillette solo is stronger than an entire Wnaderer team.
I just realised how fast a whole year gone.
It felt like just yesterday when dendro released
Overall, I have to mostly agree on you ranking and I appreciate the nuance you put in the middle low ranking elements (which I found lacking in your Ganyu video).
However, I still can't grasp why Electro is so good apart from Hyperbloom (basically Kuki and Raiden). I can't get good results with a quicken team.
If you have keqing or yae you could try them with kazuha/sucrose fischl and any dendro applicator it does so much damage and my favorite team in the game
@@joeltoomer3332 I do, but my Ayaka and Ganyu do more damage
It does good damage you just need good Crit and EM on your characters as well as decent amount of attack for it to perform well it's not going to you immediate results like HB where you can just slap crappy EM main stats artifacts & call it a day.
@@fred_redstonemaybe because you invested more in them?
Electro got invited to the 3.0 Dendro party.
…Geo: what party?
Also, The fact that the end game is more into time trial battle rather than survival, is also the reason Geo went to the 'worst' elements
Geo character practically carrying their elements, not the other way around
Geo really in need a "Nilou" that can add / buff crystalized.
But different than Nilou that only buff Dendro + Hydro (which is restrictive, and for many people found it 'boring')...
A crystalized buffer characters can open many possible party because Crystalized can be made from pyro-hydro-cryo-electro
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I honestly doesnt consider "Physical" as elements compared to others because everyone other than catalyst users can be build into physical attacker (Not efficient, but still can)
While Eula Razor and Xinyan are Physical damage dealer, but they have their own elements
As someone that has been following leaks; Navia might revitalize Geo in the sense that she fits in teams that actually use elements if the leaks are right, but she doesn't revitalize geo in the sense that she suddenly makes the other geo units more useful; quite the contrary actually, she doesn't seem to fit well in Geo teams at all
they really made hydro, something that drops from the clouds, the strongest element in the game 💀💀
Still love Geo by simply working unconditionally good for being mono and still effectively do something in many scenario so I can investing full of their constellation
Hydro is definitly the best and my favorite element. Hydro even has my favorite characters Neuvillette, Ayato, Furina, and Yelan. Not to mention how broken hydro ressonance is.
I would’ve loved it if geo and physical had reactions with each other to make both of them more relevant. It would solve Physical not existing and Geo being too consolidated to function.
Give it something like giving enemies a Geo Aura, with physical attacks making a “Smash” reaction. Or maybe Physical attacks can have their own reaction that only reacts to itself-consistent physical charged attacks will give a “Bleed” debuff that simply does a little bit of damage over time. This status effect can also be a catalyst to a vastness of reactions based off of Physical Damage, with Geo being its strongest reaction. Something like the following:
*Crumble* - Bleed + Geo. Sends out a Geo Resonance (similar to Zhongli’s Pillar) that can also trigger onto other enemies and nearby Geo Constructs as a chain reaction. Enemies hit by this resonance take damage and receive -50% Def & Geo Resistance for 8 seconds. Triggering this effect on another bleeding enemy will create another Resonance source.
*Scorching* - Bleed + Pyro. Basically greatly increases Bleed Damage.
*Bogged* - Bleed + Hydro. Reduces Enemy Healing Effectiveness -50%, and its DoT sustained from the enemy will heal the active party member by a % of the amount of damage dealt.
*Static-Induced* - Bleed + Electro. Creates a field around the enemy that inflicts a % of damage from its DoT and Electro Aura onto any other enemies inside the field for every tick of DoT induced.
*Frostbitten* - Physical + Cryo. Reduces enemy movement speed and attack speed by 50%. Attacking a frostbitten enemy grants a 6 second buff that can inflict a Cryo aura onto an enemy that is attacked by via normal attacks.
A new shield/crystalize related artifact set could help geo a bit I think.
Geo is a pretty comfy element, with essentially every character being able to provide shield support through crystalize, so maybe an artifact set similiar to hue's clam could bring some life into these comps. Basically a spiky shield dynamic, in which bonus revenge dmg is dealt depending on how many hits the shield takes/etc.
Definitely not the only remake geo needs, but the aspect of every geo character being a potential shielder is a pretty interesting one imo.
Also with furina's release i desperately hope we get a geo healer. I've been using her with itto for the memes, and it's unironically pretty enjoyable. Still you sacrifice gorou's 3d geo member bonus, bcs you need a healer.
I also don’t quite understand y many people don’t like using pyro with dendro with the same EM bergoen does the same amount of damage as hyperbloom I do understand that u need a healer with the team but so do u in nilou bloom and I don’t see anyone complaining about that
Probably comes down to the characters most often used (thoma requires some more care in rotations in comparison to kuki or em raiden etc) and also the fact that if you dont apply hydro fast enough you get burning which is not a meta reaction in comparison to quicken (quickbloom teams are more common than teams with burning reaction)
burgeon is a lot more finicky because if you apply pyro at the wrong time you get burning and then you lose out on blooms until you remove the burning and it’s a huge damage loss
maybe cuz sometimes it burns sometimes it vapes??
Basically its cuz burning acually harmful for a burgeon comp. If u trigger a burn,u cant get any burgeons untill u take care of that burning aura. If u compared burning to electro charged which hyperbloom teams have,its a much much worse reaction. EC dosnt screw ur bloom generation,it acually helps u to get more blooms. Also u get quicken in hyperbloom teams as well so units like alhaitham or cyno can to alot of dmg utilizing that as well.
Also,thoma as a trigger is just inferior to raiden and kuki in thier respective comps and the semi reliance on a healer for burgeon introduces more problems. Kuki in hyperbloom consolidates both healer and hyperbloom trigger role while thoma is only there as a burgeon trigger. So u need to dedicate another slot for a healer in a burgeon team. Meanwhile hyperbloom dont need to do that.
A CC power unit sounds pretty cool.
Hydro got them all huh, best dps, best sub dps, best suppprt, best healer, best buffer
I feel like a simple fix for physical would be for characters that revolve around it to ingore or debuff enemy defense when attacking, sorta like how hydro is hp-based and dendro is em-based
You forgot the best element in the game: Dodging.
The only thing that is holding anemo as an element is VV set, if it was not for this set, anemo would be far lower than it currently is
considering that there are many viable mono teams (being anemo, geo, hydro, pyro) and somewhat viable mono teams (cryo, electro), it seems immpossible to make a good mono dendro team just because of how the element works. would there ever be a mono dendro team?
the closest to it you can get IMO is 3 dendro 1 electro (with the best being yae nahida al haitham and baizhu) unless they make a dendro with a passive like gorou where random dendro reactions happen if you have a full team of them. I would personally love that,
big same, i would love a dendro character focused on a mono dendro synergy
I bought a backbone earlier in the year and returned it. Havent checked recently but as of four months ago there was no controller support for genshin and unless you want people spying on your usage stay away from the freewear that maps touch to controller. Dendro really is a double edged sword. While it drives many of the top teams. That has come at the cost of every none denrdo team. Regardles if how you look at. It really has powercrept the game. I for one am looking forward to dendro shields and heavily dendro and dendro reaction resistant enemies so hoyo can bring down the overall hp pool of enemies. The fact that you can still brute force yourself through the chicken chamber with a dendro teams speaks words
was expecting the first 3 seconds to be "its hydro" *fake end screen*
I believe they should also fix hydro swirl, cause that doesnt deal dmg to surrounding enemies for some reason, only applying the element instead (the game considers hydro swirl as applying "wet" as you can see in-game, and thus also dealing no swirl dmg in the process)
We need a technological upgrade where electro units gain access to hyper-tech weaponry like rail gun, orbital strike force and mech-suit
Aside from elemental shields mentioned by others,physical is severely debuffed by Phys resistance being Way Too Common!!! I’m vibing with my dps qiqi and I attack some boss and I can tell obviously they have phys resistance, and I’m like… I get when some enimies have it, sometimes it makes sence even just in world wise but it’s still way too much cause it out balances it.
Geo really needs a improvement with added reactions with the others. Maybe a rework where in addition to the crystalize, a new effect that adds a element over the enemy for a longer period of time, allowing for a enemy to be affected by more than one element at a time, like double swirl does. Like for example could have Soften (Hydro +Geo), Magma (Pyro+Geo), Dust (Anemo+Geo), Glacial (Cryo+Geo) Growth (Dendro+Geo) Grounded (Electro+Geo), each allowing for additional reactions to affect the enemy. This way now you can have a Geo included in various teams, and not just mono Geo
I feel like if there was a Geo character that could convert shields into attacks, that’d be the most obvious good Geo character, but because there’s not one, it’s just a weak element. It really doesn’t help that we haven’t gotten Geo characters in forever. Navia is looking kind of like that, but it’s hard to say.
Also Geo could’ve had a dendro reaction smh.
With natlan on the horizon though, I think we’ll probably get pyro buffs.
Same with cryo in Schneznia.
i guess the only thing i can think of for eula is the cryo hydro freeze that then has a shatter reaction from claymore which when its eula is a decent damage number i suppose
With Furina being the definitive 4th slot in Eula’s team it made her kinda better, not overshadowing others mind you but I like it
@@anthonythedubstepgamer i suppose so yea and combining her with xilonen and furina, although that would make any character strong i suppose
day 10 of asking vars for his cryo element analysis (There's hope considering this video guys!)
I understand that this video like most other content talking about the strength of the elements in the game is subjective and as you said numerous times, the placement of most elements could be argued based on circumstance and content being tackled. I just found the order being very similar to my own and the order that a group of my friends came up with as a very interesting coincidence. The idea that a content creator I respect views the game and its mechanics in a similar way was a surprisingly nice thing to find out today.
Thanks for the enjoyable video as always vars, enjoy your day.
Honostly at this point physical is such a meme they should just make it so Eula gets a cryo infusion to her autos when she ults and just make her a cryo character
well, they made themselves pretty clear that physical is not an element, so it won't get any benefit in foreseeable future.. but they can surely make some adjustments like phys buffers or atk-spd enhancers to keep their existing character look strong (tho Eula is already too strong by her own). As for Geo.. I want to see how Navia saves geo or just make it another gimmick but honestly speaking, I see geo as a defensive element which need not to react with others to make it viable cuz that's not what geo characters supposed to be doing to begin with.
I don't know, I wouldn't cross the other elements off by the end of Genshin lol. We have at least 2 more zones with Natlan and Shneznaya coming and I'd be very surprised if the meta wasn't shaken up even once during that time.
*The power of water is it’s ability to take any shape*
Its like water element is the sun breathing of genshin