Putting ALL OPINIONS ASIDE, if Julius Malema is in power and enforces state-owned land, he now has ALL the power and control. He can do ANYTHING with the land and with YOU. NEVER give one party such power over you - if they turn out to be corrupt, you are SCREWED! Say hello to the new Zimbabwe. Think people!
Malema some of us do realize that you are raising serious issues that should have been raised years back,when the ANC came to power but unfortunately that's was not the case.when it comes to land issues i really don't think Government should be the Custodian,clearly because that will be the last burden to the very poor Masses of our people.Government is a money machine,so if the land falls under Government's wings how on earth our poor people will afford to buy land from Government?,as they are struggling to feed themselves?.So in this particular point we disagree with you CIC!.We know ofcourse this will favour only the rich people because if you want to buy just a small piece of land from its cost thousands of Rands...please be advisable concerning this issue.Government should work together with Traditional Learders not sidelined them,because that will fail our people who are been failed already in every basic right and needs.
I understand you malema but i have a question for about land as umuntu omnyama wase South Africa masithi we get the land but you found that asiwusebendzisi lomhlaba not because singazi kuthi sizowendzani but we don't have founding to do something about the land so why kumele siwuthathe kubantu abaziyo kuthi bazowendzani and banayo imali
True, it makes sense! But when he says - "you must employ our people" is he saying you must employ South Africans or just from a particular skin colour?
Can someone clarify this one for me please? I'm a black male who bought land (Properties) after 1994 with my hard-earned cash, no tenderpreneur in my earnings. Does this mean that my properties will be expropriated, and I have to ask the EFF government to lease MY properties to me? and give the State reasons on what I will use them on?
Regardless of his skin colour. yes. what you paid for with your hard earned money will be "leased" to you for as long as the "state" sees fit..then they will rob you. sell while you still own it.
It means you own the house and not the land under the house. If you live in a security complex, read the fine print of your deed carefully. You most likely own your townhouse and the land underneath is owned by the trustee of Mr Alberton Van dewalt or mr Sandton or something passed on to his family members since 1890. what will change is that the state and not Mr Alberton Van dewalt will now own the land. Meaning the land under your house will be owned by every south african
@@vulijellyboymahlangu5216 that's a contradiction. The government knows people don't have money so i think they will lease it with terms which don't include money
Land in African culture is put under the custody of the king, and the king is responsible for allocation according to use.The first settlers who came to SA were given land to use not to take forever. Even today if you go to villages in SA the same traditions are maintained of the king allocating land according to use, Europeans think you can use a piece of paper to claim ownership of land, Land cant be owned by individuals , its the dust from which we come from, its everybodies land, nobody has special pieces of it reserved for themselves. The state must surely be mandated by South Africans to be custodians of the land and allocate it for use according to our culture.
Interesting, but If you give the state control of allocating the land can you also see that you are giving incredible amounts of power to very a small number of people (like Malema) who can then abuse that power by allocating the land to the highest bidder? Although individual property rights like in Europe aren't perfect they are very good at minimizing that abuse of power. Humans will always have a corruptible side, so it is best to not elevate an individual to have extreme power as the temptation will be too great.
The law should prevent sale of commercial land only allow leasing for extended periods, especially to foreign investors. ownership of residential property should not extended to permanent ownership of the land, only the house and the top 12mm of the soil under the house. So even if corrupt people give land to the highest bidder they can never own it, only temporary use it
Charlie. were given land? by whom? land were bought from the gov that time...and there were no blacks around... less than 9% of SA was arable. nobody got anything for free. u were imported only in 1870's during gold rush. and mostly came down looking for work.few Khoisan around...stop fooling urselves with sh$$t stories u here in a taverns.
I am a white male, born and raised in South Africa, i would like to complain and blame apartheid for making my life hell. i was born in 1990, and all i have ever known is black people blaming white people, and people threatening me and insulting me for crimes i never committed, its hard for me to get a good paying job, despite my extensive education, which i paid for myself. i have had to resort to working for myself due to B.E.E giving all the job priority to under skilled economically oppressed individuals, even though they live in a better house than me and have the latest model car. i would also like to blame apartheid for making sure that i am not eligible for free housing or government support that a black South African might be. i was born here. this is my home. this is my land. what makes you more deserving than me? anyone born in 1990 or later has absolutely no right to complain about an unfair life. since 1994 black people have run south africa and everything is tilted in your favour. if you still cant make it in today's age and want to blame white people for events over 20 years ago then there is no hope for you. and no matter how much you take. even after you kill every last white person..you will still suffer, you will still be looking for free hand outs in life. look to yourself for the solution to your life, work hard like every other successful person has. it wont just fall into your lap for free..
You should consider that those who had the advantage during apartheid have amassed wealth and are still holding the land even though there is claim of normalization. I think getting the land under government control for leasing to those who wish to farm and then use the money obtained and the terms of the contract that gives quotas on how many from what background should be hired would make sense. The government can then indirectly create employment and have money to support the most underprivileged through free education and health care. I do not think the starting point is equal, so you cannot as people to work hard (this presumes that they do not work hard as we speak) - every group has hard working people and those who lag behind. Policies make nations.
1/2 of natal is government own .there is enuff land . btw is more land that that own . just government stealing stuff . ITS 1950 coming to you right from China .
I am sorry you have to endure what your ancestors have done, I was also born after apartheid but what I am going through today was because of your ancestors who denied our ancestors proper education and good jobs.
Gaz : You benefitted from Apartheid hence you had good home to go to every day. You had good education probably private school or those well equipped White only schools. But my African people didn't have it that easy like you did. You forgot the impact of over 300 years of oppression can never be taken away in just 20 years. The aftermath of your father's cruelty to mankind is what you are reaping. You claimed blacks have things in their favor.. THAT'S A LIE... If not we won't be here fighting for land and equality. We are still fighting to be in control of our economy after years of ending Apartheid. For total justice and for your future generation comfort, so that they are not held accountable for their grandfather's evil acts, preach to your people to break the chain by doing the right thing. Because it will continue to get worse if African rights are still suppressed by white monopoly capital. And your existence is bleak as long as you still hold on to your racist white supremacy mentality of undermining Blacks in their own country.
Yella Themba BETTER DEAL. WHITES HAVE BEEN MISMANAGING THE LAND FOR CENTURIES. HOW COME ONE PERSON CAN POSSESS ACRES OF LAND UNUSED LYING WASTED WHILE ANOTHER CAN'T AFFORD A PLOT TO START A FARM.
gef gef : We all know the reason Zimbabwe was broke and it is the white evil agenda called sanctions placed on Zimbabwe. Malema is ready to counter attack such move and partners are going to do business with us regardless unlike Zimbabwe. South Africa has plans more solid than Zim. We are taking our land back!
lilclover : I said " legend have it that white were genetically created by a scientist called Yakub". Science still don't know where white people came from. That white skin color is unnatural and a defect. The original Earthly humans have Earth color of black, dark brown to light brown or red. NEVER WHITE.
malema. explain to me. I'm white from Europe who bought land 5yrs ago. when ur sa gov came begging for investment in SA for job creation, like they did again last week in Switzerland. 70% of land was bought in last 20yrs.... now what? and there is only 12 000 farmers in SA, whom feeds the country. what is ur plan or do u only shout things to stay in the seat..coz nowhere in world has this plan worked...I bet all I hav that 90% of SA money will leave the country.... look at Venezuela, Zimbabwe..and don't say it wont b a 2nd Zim....it will be...
Cheetah Cheetah. malema is busy fooling the ignorant blacks in S Africa. He himself has a huge farm and he himself should give his land back to the Koi people. When he opens his mouth he shouts of murdering innocent whites. He is so full of hatred and it is consuming his mind.
And then you want to employ people with the wrong skin colour and they don't give you the land. And one day if the state is overtaken by a lunatic, then he decrees "Only people of this Religion \ that Skin Colour \ that Language is allowed to lease land". Too much power to the state!
Why don't we expropriation land from the descendants of the colonialist and Dutch instead 😁 how about that ? Those are not indigenous natives of Africa🤷♀️
Those who serve Africa and it's people serve the one true God and Jesus the holy son. Serve her and you will walk with God under his light of mercy. Malema is truth and speaks from heart, demons will villanize him cause they do not know God and the holy son.
99% of the White farmers already employ all races. What land was taken? The government owns more than 33% of the land which is open fields where they can easily occupy poor people.
So the forgein Greek-modelled organisation called 'the government' should control land. In other words, EFF must control the land? In a European system that the Europeans control through their ability to print money at will via the privately owned SARB? So when the government owns the land, FF+ and DA (colonial political parties) should have a say on our forefather's and foremother's land? I'm slowly seeing for myself why Andile Mngxitama left the EFF. Direct ownership of land by Native Africans is what's needed. Direct ownership by people and families and the land should not be for sale and we should have no property tax. THAT is a goal worth striving for. We'd be empowered sovereign people at that point.
Putin is a capitalist. Didn't you know that socialist communism failed in Russia, that's why the Soviet Union broke up in 1989. The Russians are all capitalists now. They turned to Capitalism in its full in 1991and since then the development of their people and their economy took giant strides forward.
It is their land, and always have been. Colonials should not rule what is not theirs.
It is a good idea but there needs to be a way to decentralize the system - there cannot be one person or one party with so much power.
Communism is great on paper. Just needs artificial intelligence to govern it
We are led #CIC
Putting ALL OPINIONS ASIDE, if Julius Malema is in power and enforces state-owned land, he now has ALL the power and control. He can do ANYTHING with the land and with YOU. NEVER give one party such power over you - if they turn out to be corrupt, you are SCREWED! Say hello to the new Zimbabwe. Think people!
True
AFRICA FOR AFRICANS
The land must be in my posession so I can manipulate everything. I will make money!!
Malema some of us do realize that you are raising serious issues that should have been raised years back,when the ANC came to power but unfortunately that's was not the case.when it comes to land issues i really don't think Government should be the Custodian,clearly because that will be the last burden to the very poor Masses of our people.Government is a money machine,so if the land falls under Government's wings how on earth our poor people will afford to buy land from Government?,as they are struggling to feed themselves?.So in this particular point we disagree with you CIC!.We know ofcourse this will favour only the rich people because if you want to buy just a small piece of land from its cost thousands of Rands...please be advisable concerning this issue.Government should work together with Traditional Learders not sidelined them,because that will fail our people who are been failed already in every basic right and needs.
I think they are planning to sell the land in S A to Chinese investors. Hello GMO and shitty food products full of goodness knows what.
You are so stupid
I understand you malema but i have a question for about land as umuntu omnyama wase South Africa masithi we get the land but you found that asiwusebendzisi lomhlaba not because singazi kuthi sizowendzani but we don't have founding to do something about the land so why kumele siwuthathe kubantu abaziyo kuthi bazowendzani and banayo imali
The logic behind it is quite solid I must say.
True, it makes sense!
But when he says - "you must employ our people" is he saying you must employ South Africans or just from a particular skin colour?
BEE policy also sounded soild until greed overcame logic
Mxo Ntombz coz he is anti Chinese policy of bringing their own cheap labour to Africa
No not because of that, we're all against that stupid Chinese policy
this is because you have low iq
Can someone clarify this one for me please? I'm a black male who bought land (Properties) after 1994 with my hard-earned cash, no tenderpreneur in my earnings. Does this mean that my properties will be expropriated, and I have to ask the EFF government to lease MY properties to me? and give the State reasons on what I will use them on?
Yes, and then given back to you. What he is saying is that state will control all land, but he will return to the previous owner as a lease contract.
Regardless of his skin colour. yes. what you paid for with your hard earned money will be "leased" to you for as long as the "state" sees fit..then they will rob you. sell while you still own it.
Yes, I am a Black man who believes that working hard will take me out of poverty.
This is scary hey... Thank you Gaz.
It means you own the house and not the land under the house. If you live in a security complex, read the fine print of your deed carefully. You most likely own your townhouse and the land underneath is owned by the trustee of Mr Alberton Van dewalt or mr Sandton or something passed on to his family members since 1890. what will change is that the state and not Mr Alberton Van dewalt will now own the land. Meaning the land under your house will be owned by every south african
How would giving control of land to the government help poor people??? they would still need to have money in order to lease it from the government.
The government will give it for free as long as they use it productive
@@treasurepega5689 not free you have to lease it. In other words you have to pay rent.
@@vulijellyboymahlangu5216 that's a contradiction. The government knows people don't have money so i think they will lease it with terms which don't include money
@@treasurepega5689 Won't they come for your property too?
@@JoMellGroup lol they would
Land in African culture is put under the custody of the king, and the king is responsible for allocation according to use.The first settlers who came to SA were given land to use not to take forever. Even today if you go to villages in SA the same traditions are maintained of the king allocating land according to use, Europeans think you can use a piece of paper to claim ownership of land, Land cant be owned by individuals , its the dust from which we come from, its everybodies land, nobody has special pieces of it reserved for themselves. The state must surely be mandated by South Africans to be custodians of the land and allocate it for use according to our culture.
Interesting, but If you give the state control of allocating the land can you also see that you are giving incredible amounts of power to very a small number of people (like Malema) who can then abuse that power by allocating the land to the highest bidder? Although individual property rights like in Europe aren't perfect they are very good at minimizing that abuse of power. Humans will always have a corruptible side, so it is best to not elevate an individual to have extreme power as the temptation will be too great.
The law should prevent sale of commercial land only allow leasing for extended periods, especially to foreign investors. ownership of residential property should not extended to permanent ownership of the land, only the house and the top 12mm of the soil under the house. So even if corrupt people give land to the highest bidder they can never own it, only temporary use it
Charlie. were given land? by whom? land were bought from the gov that time...and there were no blacks around... less than 9% of SA was arable. nobody got anything for free. u were imported only in 1870's during gold rush. and mostly came down looking for work.few Khoisan around...stop fooling urselves with sh$$t stories u here in a taverns.
Viva eff
simple example; which sub-Saharan Country is a success story today? Not one. RSA is next with Malema in power.
@Sam • all failures, everyone of those people are escaping from..
Communism......
It's different this time.
I thought Govt already has +/-4000 farms... but they not giving anything back.
The message is now clear... But eNCA needs to fix their sound system
Jethro Mashego it's news 24 comrade
who will get the land
why they get the land
where they get the land
that will be bloody ... until the end of time
why not ! nothing great ,no revolution is done without blood or sacrifices...we are ready topay the price !
I am a white male, born and raised in South Africa, i would like to complain and blame apartheid for making my life hell. i was born in 1990, and all i have ever known is black people blaming white people, and people threatening me and insulting me for crimes i never committed, its hard for me to get a good paying job, despite my extensive education, which i paid for myself. i have had to resort to working for myself due to B.E.E giving all the job priority to under skilled economically oppressed individuals, even though they live in a better house than me and have the latest model car. i would also like to blame apartheid for making sure that i am not eligible for free housing or government support that a black South African might be. i was born here. this is my home. this is my land. what makes you more deserving than me? anyone born in 1990 or later has absolutely no right to complain about an unfair life. since 1994 black people have run south africa and everything is tilted in your favour. if you still cant make it in today's age and want to blame white people for events over 20 years ago then there is no hope for you. and no matter how much you take. even after you kill every last white person..you will still suffer, you will still be looking for free hand outs in life. look to yourself for the solution to your life, work hard like every other successful person has. it wont just fall into your lap for free..
Gaz then go back to Europe stupid
You should consider that those who had the advantage during apartheid have amassed wealth and are still holding the land even though there is claim of normalization. I think getting the land under government control for leasing to those who wish to farm and then use the money obtained and the terms of the contract that gives quotas on how many from what background should be hired would make sense. The government can then indirectly create employment and have money to support the most underprivileged through free education and health care. I do not think the starting point is equal, so you cannot as people to work hard (this presumes that they do not work hard as we speak) - every group has hard working people and those who lag behind. Policies make nations.
1/2 of natal is government own .there is enuff land . btw is more land that that own . just government stealing stuff . ITS 1950 coming to you right from China .
I am sorry you have to endure what your ancestors have done, I was also born after apartheid but what I am going through today was because of your ancestors who denied our ancestors proper education and good jobs.
Gaz : You benefitted from Apartheid hence you had good home to go to every day. You had good education probably private school or those well equipped White only schools. But my African people didn't have it that easy like you did. You forgot the impact of over 300 years of oppression can never be taken away in just 20 years. The aftermath of your father's cruelty to mankind is what you are reaping. You claimed blacks have things in their favor.. THAT'S A LIE... If not we won't be here fighting for land and equality. We are still fighting to be in control of our economy after years of ending Apartheid. For total justice and for your future generation comfort, so that they are not held accountable for their grandfather's evil acts, preach to your people to break the chain by doing the right thing. Because it will continue to get worse if African rights are still suppressed by white monopoly capital. And your existence is bleak as long as you still hold on to your racist white supremacy mentality of undermining Blacks in their own country.
what happens if you bought the land will you be compensated
nop their policy is expropriation of land without compensation which i think is fair
I cant get what your talking about explain
The criminal that sold you that land must compensate you. You can open a criminal case because you've unfortunately been scammed. Good luck 🙏🏽
Only poor people think they understand, but it's just a lie
Juju you very right ,we need your help for all africa
what Malema is saying here is, YOU GIVE IT ALL TO ME AND I MANAGE IT FOR YOU.
Yella Themba if that is all that you've heard then you are hard of hearing!
Yella Themba Exactly.
Yella Themba BETTER DEAL. WHITES HAVE BEEN MISMANAGING THE LAND FOR CENTURIES. HOW COME ONE PERSON CAN POSSESS ACRES OF LAND UNUSED LYING WASTED WHILE ANOTHER CAN'T AFFORD A PLOT TO START A FARM.
gef gef : We all know the reason Zimbabwe was broke and it is the white evil agenda called sanctions placed on Zimbabwe. Malema is ready to counter attack such move and partners are going to do business with us regardless unlike Zimbabwe. South Africa has plans more solid than Zim. We are taking our land back!
lilclover : I said " legend have it that white were genetically created by a scientist called Yakub". Science still don't know where white people came from. That white skin color is unnatural and a defect. The original Earthly humans have Earth color of black, dark brown to light brown or red. NEVER WHITE.
I blame.....
malema. explain to me. I'm white from Europe who bought land 5yrs ago. when ur sa gov came begging for investment in SA for job creation, like they did again last week in Switzerland. 70% of land was bought in last 20yrs.... now what? and there is only 12 000 farmers in SA, whom feeds the country. what is ur plan or do u only shout things to stay in the seat..coz nowhere in world has this plan worked...I bet all I hav that 90% of SA money will leave the country.... look at Venezuela, Zimbabwe..and don't say it wont b a 2nd Zim....it will be...
Cheetah Cheetah. malema is busy fooling the ignorant blacks in S Africa. He himself has a huge farm and he himself should give his land back to the Koi people. When he opens his mouth he shouts of murdering innocent whites. He is so full of hatred and it is consuming his mind.
And then you want to employ people with the wrong skin colour and they don't give you the land. And one day if the state is overtaken by a lunatic, then he decrees "Only people of this Religion \ that Skin Colour \ that Language is allowed to lease land".
Too much power to the state!
You take the Zulu's land and see what happens...
Lol interesting
John Phillips Those racist comments do you know that i can prosecute you about that, as a one member of Zulus, mark your words your bloody racist.
racists and fascists agreeing with a racist fascist - go figure
The land belong to the state not individuals
This guy is right
Nope.
this guy is an idiot
Embedded.Africa, you are just as rightfully stupid!
Johan Mvelase, LMAO!!!!!!!
Our current president has 27 farms so why can't he give black people those pieces of land.
Why don't we expropriation land from the descendants of the colonialist and Dutch instead 😁 how about that ?
Those are not indigenous natives of Africa🤷♀️
Those who serve Africa and it's people serve the one true God and Jesus the holy son. Serve her and you will walk with God under his light of mercy. Malema is truth and speaks from heart, demons will villanize him cause they do not know God and the holy son.
Don't put this twat and my God in the same sentence...
CIC along the line dogs will make noise dont listen to them, soldier on comrade.
malema you think things that will happen I know
Power to you CIC Malema. EFF will be government come 2019.
10% lol
Funny
Fail...🤣
Fail lol 😆
Voetsek.
100 % on point Juju
Bra X Mh, Is that your picture on your profile? I can see why you make a statement like that! You are as stupid as you look!
99% of the White farmers already employ all races. What land was taken? The government owns more than 33% of the land which is open fields where they can easily occupy poor people.
@Sam • Shame, you're trying to get a angry response. Sorry your IQ is way too low for me to even get angry.
So the forgein Greek-modelled organisation called 'the government' should control land. In other words, EFF must control the land?
In a European system that the Europeans control through their ability to print money at will via the privately owned SARB?
So when the government owns the land, FF+ and DA (colonial political parties) should have a say on our forefather's and foremother's land?
I'm slowly seeing for myself why Andile Mngxitama left the EFF.
Direct ownership of land by Native Africans is what's needed. Direct ownership by people and families and the land should not be for sale and we should have no property tax. THAT is a goal worth striving for. We'd be empowered sovereign people at that point.
What if a native south african white person like myself brings money to build a factory can I get a piece of land too?? If not its and racist
Louis Meyer u must get your piece two
Viva Putin man
Putin is a capitalist. Didn't you know that socialist communism failed in Russia, that's why the Soviet Union broke up in 1989. The Russians are all capitalists now. They turned to Capitalism in its full in 1991and since then the development of their people and their economy took giant strides forward.
King Julius Malema..take back Africa
What is he even saying?
Communism at its finest 😂
They hate him for speaking the truth
he thinks he knows what is reasonable price .... he is economic blind
Viva russia