Judge gives Zuma reasons for dismissing recusal bid against Downer

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  • Former President Jacob Zuma hears the reasons behind Judge Nkosinathi Chili's decision to dismiss his bid for the recusal of lead prosecutor Advocate Billy Downer in his ongoing corruption case.
    Zuma's legal team requested these reasons ahead of their planned application for leave to appeal the judgment made in March.
    Initially, the judge intended to provide his reasoning at the conclusion of the trial, but Zuma's team argued for an earlier disclosure.
    Zuma, along with French arms company Thales, faces charges of fraud and corruption related to South Africa's controversial arms deal from the 1990s.
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  • @Argosy16
    @Argosy16 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    Someone once said, "I want my day in court to clear my name."
    I guess he finally got his day in court. Not sure if he's clearing his name, though.

    • @TsekoMofokeng-v2o
      @TsekoMofokeng-v2o 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      By then,he was deploying stooges on each and every key position as his guards. He never thought people were watching him. Minister of Finance for seven days,Van Rooyen and others. Jerrr Zuma very naughty old man

  • @PatBouwer
    @PatBouwer 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Zuma always protested his innocence and kept saying if he gets to be in court he will prove his innocence. He is a liar and a thief something like satan

    • @katoleeric4454
      @katoleeric4454 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Zuma his not Satan .You are Satan yourself

  • @ManteMumty
    @ManteMumty 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    How long will Zuma's tactics be entertained with our tax money, just conclude this case and throw him to jail if found guilty, let our country move pn

    • @petrosdlamini1761
      @petrosdlamini1761 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      😂 because he is guilty you say 😂😂

  • @MzamoAdoons372
    @MzamoAdoons372 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    The ANC protected Jacob Zuma for twenty years and he destroyed it in less than five months😂😂😂😂😂.

    • @wda_digital
      @wda_digital 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Do you mean Zuma destroyed South Africa? French Arms Deal, 9 wasted years, with almost all financial metrics and state owned enterprises destroyed in the country. Stop being a brainless sheep and do your own research. Tribalism pathetic. Economic growth, foreign investment, unemployment, the currency, property values, government debt, budget deficit, performance of the JSE, retirement fund etc etc etc...

    • @sakhilendlovu7684
      @sakhilendlovu7684 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Uyahlanya wen

    • @petrosdlamini1761
      @petrosdlamini1761 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Nope it's the other way around Zuma protected ANC.

    • @izeesh
      @izeesh 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@petrosdlamini1761 🤔You the glass half full guy, ain't you?

    • @Swayimana
      @Swayimana 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Relax President to u

  • @mahlathinibottoman6159
    @mahlathinibottoman6159 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    Keep this old man in prison, wasting Tax payers money, he is a big problem.

    • @sakhilendlovu7684
      @sakhilendlovu7684 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Fuseg wen

    • @Magutshwa-CONSPIRACY_THEORIST
      @Magutshwa-CONSPIRACY_THEORIST 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      If your intellectual was telling you right and your extra eyes was of used to you, you should be simple reason like..."Why is the state find it difficult to just simple change Dawner" and get another one as it is allowed by the state. But your love of establishment and wanting to be relevant and be approved by the master as their other puppets, that's why you reasoning in such unreasonable manner.

    • @GoodnessKhoso
      @GoodnessKhoso 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sduphunga

    • @abudlkader927
      @abudlkader927 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Send him to Robben Island. What goes around comes around. 😢

    • @kenchucky2997
      @kenchucky2997 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Magutshwa-CONSPIRACY_THEORIST because they dont need to do what zuma says, he is not the judge.

  • @hosiamodiga1325
    @hosiamodiga1325 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Mr "I want my day in court"😅

    • @khanyingosi9229
      @khanyingosi9229 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      This is a coward 😂😂😂

    • @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us
      @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He is practicing his rights...11/9/2024

  • @matomeleseilane8129
    @matomeleseilane8129 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Jakob Zuma believes in the concept of the "rule-by-law" and not the principle of the "rule-of-law." He thinks that we must go back to the medieval era of the elders having the final say on anything, be it personal, family, or society. He has shown utter disdain and contempt for the orderly regulation (rule-of-law) of personal and community conduct on their responsibility, accountability, and authority.

    • @ambrosek6784
      @ambrosek6784 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      How stupid do you have to be, you purport to know what Zuma is thinking about a European concept (The medieval period is the time between 1066 and 1485. William of Normandy's triumph over King Harold at the Battle of Hastings marked the dawn of a new era.) Foolish man!

  • @evelyngadinabokao7615
    @evelyngadinabokao7615 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    He will be in hospital, mark my words.

    • @khanyingosi9229
      @khanyingosi9229 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Exactly 💯 agreed

    • @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us
      @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Or change lawyers and that process will stall the trial for period of about 09 months, as the "new lawyer" will be familiarizing him/herself with the thousands of documents...11/9/2024

  • @sabeloshabangu1485
    @sabeloshabangu1485 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I thought democracy said you should use all legal means to defend yourself how then is it abuse of court if the law allows it.

    • @kenchucky2997
      @kenchucky2997 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      because, if your family is killed and there is a video of it.
      but the suspect keeps using legalities to delay the prosecution... would you like that?

    • @sabeloshabangu1485
      @sabeloshabangu1485 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@kenchucky2997 law is not based on feelings

    • @kenchucky2997
      @kenchucky2997 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@sabeloshabangu1485 ok granted.
      but that wouldnt be abuse then in your eyes?
      its acceptable to appeal until the suspect passes away?
      that means no court case would ever end.

    • @mzimkhulujita2965
      @mzimkhulujita2965 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@kenchucky2997 a more efficient judicial and prosecution system would solve that problem.

    • @nyikomathabela
      @nyikomathabela 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Rationality, abuse is when you use something abnormally.

  • @Telkom161
    @Telkom161 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    Zuma will still appeal until hes no more.
    Biggest mistake was 2007 Polokwane ANC conference.

    • @mvuyimpithi8648
      @mvuyimpithi8648 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      No no no Mafikeng 50th Conference in 1997 actually, Mama Winnie was supposed to be the deputy president of Mbeki....we would never be talking about this crook today.

    • @mthokozisiluthuli528
      @mthokozisiluthuli528 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Keep your golo in prison

  • @LukeFerreira-g6e
    @LukeFerreira-g6e 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Back to prison one of these days. ZUMA....

  • @NomzaneNooe
    @NomzaneNooe 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Zuma think's he's a rule of law 😂

  • @SPOK-zz5lj
    @SPOK-zz5lj 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Dali committed PURGERY he should be disbarred and striped if ALL titles , degrees ,diplomas and all the crap ZUMA WAS NEVER TERMINAL

  • @TzaboChakuze-vp7os
    @TzaboChakuze-vp7os 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Makes absolutely zero sense that a judge is unable for the rest of the year. There are 4 months left in the year, what is keeping him so busy. Either way I believe the courts should make an attempt to clear his diary for the trial.

  • @solomonmore9826
    @solomonmore9826 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Mtshiniwam is sinking. As he said i want my day in court to clear my name. Indeed Mtshiniwam we are waiting. Please clear your name and stop playing game's. 😂😂😂😂

  • @juniormolefe3046
    @juniormolefe3046 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Over R20mil spent by the state to pursue an encrypted fax of promises for R500k protection fee😂

  • @elmonmaseko4337
    @elmonmaseko4337 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This old zuma is so scared of downer 😮

  • @ollenndlovu537
    @ollenndlovu537 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It's Billy Downer chance to be popular, and enhance his cv, and his legacy. Prosecuting Zima is career enhancing. So he won't let this opportunity go in smoke

  • @Molegalunchained
    @Molegalunchained 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It is about time that the courts take a tough stance against lawyers who ill-advise and mislead their clients about the possi bility of success even in the face of a feeble and weak case. but such cases are still are allowed by the registrar's to be filed thus glutting the courts roll unnecessarily. These lawyers gives by omission or by c ommission all lawyers a bad reputation of being spineless, cold blooded and heartless. I rest my case.

  • @RA-oi4ml
    @RA-oi4ml 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I thought this case was done finished such a shame for this to go on nd on who is paying for all this 😢😢😢😢 now he is the leader of a new party what type of system are we running in this country why cant taxpayers money be used for the poor look how many are suffering no matter what colour or religion this is now becoming a big headache for the people if this country if it was any poor man he/she would have been convicted nd sent to jail to serve their sentences already all this now ridiculous😢😢😢

  • @orbitno100
    @orbitno100 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    How coes a former president qualify for legal aid. Cant he sell one of his cars and pay legal fees

  • @abudlkader927
    @abudlkader927 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Zondo is now retired.😢Zuma got no grouse now.😢

  • @cyrilgumede222
    @cyrilgumede222 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Another Dollar in Dali Mpofu's Account.

  • @SonOfTheSoil834
    @SonOfTheSoil834 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    🤣🤣reasons comes 6 months later wow …

  • @davidmkefa4188
    @davidmkefa4188 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The trial will eventually take place, whether you like it or not.Wheels of justice in motion

  • @macmandla3582
    @macmandla3582 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It’s clear when the paper is written for you to read.

  • @wda_digital
    @wda_digital 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Zuma Sheeps in the comments is so funny

  • @RazoMarazo
    @RazoMarazo 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Who's the judge president is it the same one involved in Senzo Meyiwa case if so cleared where this case is going

  • @ianthomas7819
    @ianthomas7819 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Mpofu says his Public Protector R13-million legal bill is ‘peanuts’ and he could have charged twice the amount

  • @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us
    @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It doesn't matter what SCA said ....appeals are coming...and other applications are coming...Gwaza Mkhonto Gwaza ....Viva MK....The NPA knows deep down in their hearts that another application or applications are coming so the appeals and it must ready itself for yrs of litigation....11/9/2024

  • @martinzulu4491
    @martinzulu4491 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Why Downer So eager to prosecute Zuma? Is he the same as Zondo wanting nothing fair but to have Zuma in Jail by hook or crook ways?

    • @lufunonemakonde3993
      @lufunonemakonde3993 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      But Downer is not going to hand down the judgment of the case at the end. I don't see any thing wrong.

  • @juniormolefe3046
    @juniormolefe3046 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Meanwhile, Downer travels with bodyguards ,booked hotels, and flown around at taxpayers' expense 😂

  • @jameskillu9171
    @jameskillu9171 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Zuma must appeal. It is not acceptable that 70 year old, apartheid appointed prosecutors, are going after our elders for fighting apartheid.

    • @veronicakarstel9126
      @veronicakarstel9126 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      The sooner he joins Dudu the better for SA

    • @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us
      @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You are very correct my brother...that prosecutor must go..11/9/2024

    • @wda_digital
      @wda_digital 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      🤣😂😂

    • @psmatthewsmohubeministries6401
      @psmatthewsmohubeministries6401 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      😂😂😂

    • @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us
      @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Stand your ground Sokwalisa (Adv N Buthelezi) push for another application....the NPA will feel you Shenge...11/9/2024

  • @ianthomas7819
    @ianthomas7819 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Daluxolo Christopher Mpofu ?? @ R ?? ???.??

    • @mvuyimpithi8648
      @mvuyimpithi8648 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      That's the most useless Lawyer...he can't even defend a goats thief in my village

    • @mzwakhemtshali4123
      @mzwakhemtshali4123 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@mvuyimpithi8648are you one of the useful goats thief in your village, since Mpofu is useless?

  • @kopanopabe8562
    @kopanopabe8562 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Hence we need change this EU judiary systems in country

    • @wda_digital
      @wda_digital 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Sure, lets africanise the whole system so that we can be a third world country for the rest of time. Have you been in Europe? Dont you think those countries are better off than any african country?

  • @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us
    @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    2025 there will be a fresh application or appeal and the NPA will be obliged to respond to that and it may take 02 - 03 yrs until NPA gives up.....We are just exhausting it....Gwaza Mkhonto Gwaza!!!!!!! We throw them any kind of appeal or application they follow along...14/9/2024

  • @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us
    @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    NPA plz plz plz m begging you, as from today or tomorrow start preparing for a fresh application or appeal...it is inevitable guys....this is a real possibility, infact it will happen....for now forget about the merits...11/9/2024 and Shenge (Adv N Buthelezi) had hinted that so state gear yourself up. We are looking at Sine Die... Gwaza Mkhonto Gwaza!!!!! Note made on 11/9/2024

  • @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us
    @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Sokwalisa (Adv N Buthelezi) is correct this case must be postponed Sine die (indefinitely) ....hammer that point Shenge...if they didn't give you make means that this "trial" goes on and on with appeals and applications ungabayeki....u are on the right track brother...11/9/2024

  • @caswellobakengraseleka2796
    @caswellobakengraseleka2796 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Captured Judges hired to work against President Zuma

    • @psmatthewsmohubeministries6401
      @psmatthewsmohubeministries6401 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      So any judge who rules against Zuma is hired to work against him?
      So you truly believe he is the clean?

    • @kenchucky2997
      @kenchucky2997 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      did you not hear the reasoning?
      you should become a judge then, seeing as you can see more critical reasons than this judge.

  • @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us
    @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The judge whispered in isiXhosa...😂😂😂😂...i like it...11/9/2024...But Adv Billy Downer SC must be realistic no trial will take place by 14 April 2025 ....there will be appeals and applications that time....that one is obvious....these appeals will endure until 2028 at least or beyond..11/9/2024

  • @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us
    @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    NPA plz start today to prepare papers for appeal or application dont waste time....This prosecutor must be removed come rain come sunshine...11/9/2024

  • @fakazijoseph8549
    @fakazijoseph8549 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Does the State says that if Downer was to die tomorrow it means that will be the end of this case because they can't allocate other prosecutor to case other than Downer?

    • @davidmkefa4188
      @davidmkefa4188 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Why think or wish something so extremely evil that if Downer was to die tomorrow.You have no human feelings on people who are doing their according to the book.Just think if someone was to have the same sentiments about you while you performing your duties.

    • @fakazijoseph8549
      @fakazijoseph8549 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@davidmkefa4188 He can die anytime like you and me we can die anytime that doesn't mean inhuman unless you not gonna die you are going to live for ever so as your Downer, you fail to answer a simple QUESTION is Downer the only Prosecutor who can only prosecute President Zuma that's my QUESTION to you if your answer is yes then there's something fishy with this case.

  • @abudlkader927
    @abudlkader927 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    With Zuma's alleged sickness ,I wonder if he will survive. Ramaphosa should pardon Zuma.😢😢😢

    • @simonphiri
      @simonphiri วันที่ผ่านมา

      He cant pardon him even if wants to. The reason being he Zuma is not yet find guilty.

  • @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us
    @ThembaMayekiso-vk7us 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This judge I feel pity for him....he will be bogged down with applications and applications, appeals and appeals till he bleeds from his nose....Carry on JZ if the law allows explore it no one can criticise you...we are going to 2028 with only appeals and applications nothing more and recusals...11/9/2024

  • @markcoleman7497
    @markcoleman7497 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Jacob is problematic and should be in prison. Instead, the state is spending billions entertaining his rubbish.

    • @kopanopabe8562
      @kopanopabe8562 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hence we need change this EU judiary systems in country

    • @jameskillu9171
      @jameskillu9171 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The problem is a stobborn corrupt apartheid prosecutor who has refused to step down

    • @veronicakarstel9126
      @veronicakarstel9126 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Our tax money for this lying, thieving, corrupt trash

    • @ambrosek6784
      @ambrosek6784 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Dream on white fellow, dream on.

    • @MncediMbambani
      @MncediMbambani 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Your utterances regarding ex Pres.Zuma are demeaning,derogatory, insulting,atrocious,and above all very provocative.Especialy in today's climate ,where your 'likes' continue to butcher,burn,shoot Africans and make them animal fodder.Imagine,the audacity of referring to an elder as RUBBISH.Please hold your horses.