The maxforce engine was made by Navistar and only found in International trucks, the Paccar engine is made by Paccar obviously and a better engine than the maxforce which was pretty much a POS. I am not a big Cummins fan but if I was buying a truck these days I would probably go with Cummins mostly because if you are somewhat mechanically inclined you can do a lot of work on it yourself and Cummins will supply the knowhow free with their Quickserve account and like you said there is a lot of shops that can work on them.
Back in the early 70's when I was a teenager growing up on a hay farm my dad bought a 53 Mack Thermodyne with a blown Cummins engine that had been sitting for a couple of years. Dad had been a mechanic in the Air Force. I helped him rebuild the engine and we had a cab-over for hay delivery that was classified as a farm vehicle that I could drive at 16 years old. Dad had never rebuilt a Cummins but he followed the factory service manual. It had 3 gear shifters so it had 24 forward gears. I ended up hauling freight with it as a summer job in Florida when I was in college. That job motivated me to get my Business Degree. Good pay but it was hard work for 12+ hours a day. And now I am in semi-retirement and driving CDL Hot-shot three to four days a week.
How is it going JUSTIN , Do NOT forget to pull the plugs on the TRANSMISSIONS and the rear ENDS and see how much METAL is on the MAGNET , Do NOT forget to JACK the FRONT end up and take a BAR and put it in the rim and lift it up and down and see if the KINGPINS are wore out or NOT tie rods and so forth , Put some OIL in a cup go have it checked , Crawl underneath and SHAKE your drive lines up and down see if they are wore out , I can go on and on , The more you find the more the money drops off the truck , You let them know what you found that you have to replace and fix and say this is my offer take it or leave it
Good morning sir..may GOD continue to bless you and your family. Your videos are awesome..keeping the family close and always including them is the definition of a man with integrity..I live down the street from you in CLEMSON SC..Born and raised in Seneca..been in and around trucking from 1983 to present..you provide valuable information from purchase to maintenance. You set the bar high and that's where it belongs..You are always well prepared..your appearance and mannerisms are rare my friend ..let me pause my rambling...and get back to moving Would consider it an honor to meet you sir..Sending love and blessings from my family to yours. Sam I am..LATER....
I’m a retired old timer so my driving days are over! I enjoy watching the different channels on TH-cam! Justin you put good information out there ! Good job!
Retired old timer? That's not what I heard. It's time you come out of retirement and get busy. No where is it written we are to retire. You run 3,000 miles a week bro and please be safe.
Yeah i worked at the Caterpillar Mossville Engine Plant as a hot test specialist, which i would hook up the engines to the dyno's and run em thru the process and in 2007 i had a fire in my test cell almost EVERY NITE due to the new emissions control BS they were trying to get in order. All of 2005-2006 we got unlimited overtime cause they were pushing out all the Cat 3406's they could before the new emissions of the 2007. The older 3406 Cats were in my opinion the BEST ENGINE EVER!
Any Peterbilt or KW dealer can work on an MX13, same as having to go to Freightliner to get work done on a new DD15. I’m 120k miles into my second MX13 with no issues, sold my previous truck a year ago with 600k on an MX13 and had no issues with it. Both ones were 510/1850.
@@chrismoody5977 My current truck is 7.67mpg for the year. I track my fuel mileage on paper every time I fill up. Weight is never a concern for me so if I’m stopping for fuel I top the tanks off all the way and fill my def.
@@chrismoody5977 Hi My average has been 7.8 mpg. I will take that all day long. And as for reliability I cannot fault the MX13. I am now on my third Pete with the MX13 and for sure I will continue with this set up.
This vid really helped me out I recently just bought a truck yesterday a 2000 Frieghtliner classic, rebuilt engine everything looks good your vid help me thanks
I run day cabs now, but my last OTR was a 16 Cummins pro star, the factory APU was fine @ 30-40 degrees, but could not cut the mustard on a 0 degree north Wisconsin evening, and there wasn't a trick in the book to over ride the auto shutdown system, ugh, and screw DPF, had a plain jane 06 9400, was the best truck I ever ran :)
I learned to drive a twin stick 6x4 dual allison peter powered by an international v8, yes a v8! non turbo. She was old, but gosh I loved the rocket science it took to learn how to start the thing rolling and running efficiently. Unfortunately I couldn't pull a full dry van and had to stick to 60 ton or less since I drove the Virginia mountains. After that I graduated to a decked out Peterbuilt where my boss straight up told me I had to polish her every week and send him a picture. 10/10 work horse show truck right there. Too bad the company folded. After that I picked up for swift and left the industry 2 months later. I still get phone calls form companies wanting to pull me back in, but honestly I just commit to the life style anymore. Trucking isn't just a career, it's a life style. I'm glad Justin is out showing it for what it is.
When there is a splitter on the side of the stick, you can tell what speed it is from the color of the splitter. Red-13 Blue-15 Grey-18 There is also the 10 over, I think it's a red splitter, but it doesn't have the hi/lo in the front because it's basically a 5 speed that you have to split every gear
As a diesel mechanic for 10yrs I can tell you that paccar is a sister company of cummins almost everything is interchangable with the Cummins and their good engines not the most powerful but their great work horses and more affordable
I’m hoping all this information helps some people out there and gives them confidence in buying a truck and trailer!!! Keep up the awesome content and hopefully you’ll have the trailer back tomorrow so you can get some loads in before the holidays kick in!!!
This is a video any start up driver should watch. Any help is always good!! Hope they get your axle fixed and you find a load! I bet the brokers are wondering what happened to you!!! lol !!
To add to what has been said, if you’re buying a truck newer than 09-10, the chances of finding a CAT engine will be slim, as Caterpillar got tired of trying to do the EPA’s emissions dance and so stopped making commercial truck engines in 2010.
Yeah after 2006 the Cat engines went to crap, they closed down the Mossville engine plant where i worked and moved it to Texas. The Cat 3406 Acert from 2006 and older is the BEST ENGINE.
Hey Justin the mx motor is not a maxxforce motor the mx is paccar motor maxxforce was international motor which was actually a c13 cat internals and block international head and emission controls. Cat sold the rights to international. To each his own but stay away from emission motors and for sure stay away from cummins they are nicknamed cumapart for a reason. I've got one 12.7 detroit and two c15 cats inframed the detroit with head for around 15000.00 done the cats with head for around 18500.00 each. The transmission shifter has a red spliter button it's a 13 speed if the spliter is blue it's a 15 speed (don't make those trans anymore) if spliter is grey it's an 18 speed. Which a 13 and 18 speeds are nothing but a glorified 9 speed with auxiliary box on back of trans. My advice stay away from emission motors it's cheaper to inframe and maintain the non emission motors plus they last longer and they get better fuel economy.
Note the DDC DD 13-15-16 DPF one box has replaceable DPF filters and all components are replaceable. Many times techs replace entire components based on mileage Buying used get the shop to back up the filters. Most Freightliners are turned in by big flees at or near 500k Get a sales agreement on emissions devices of you can. I'd also request test drive with a tech and DL8 diagnostic running during the drive.any faults ask for repair first. This would be on any truck. Realize Freightliner and Western Star run Detroit and Cummins.
I know in Canada its different- most candaian trucks don't have APUs but do have a bunk heater, but I head if its like -45 degrees celsius - you have idle the truck the whole night or the next day it won't start
I drove both auto and manual. I prefer manual cause I like to have full control of my truck. From what I've heard, it's more costly to work on an automatic transmission. Also I have a 12.7 detroit and I love the motor, cheap on parts and alot of people can work on them.
Cats aren’t that bad to rebuild, cummins seems to run higher from those I’ve talked to. I have a cat and have talked to multiple people who have recently rebuilt theirs for mid 20’s. If you take it to cat it will be higher. Cummins seems to make it to the 6/700’s , a well maintained cat will make it to a million miles. Detroit seems to split the difference. Cats are definitely expensive to maintain but go further between rebuilds. Detroit is the cheapest, can rebuild those for less than 15. (60 series) best engines: cummins n14, detroit 60, cat 6nz
The best engine for o/o is series 60 pre 2003 the six 15 has cam wear on lobes, intake rockers. I have one apart and more on the lot, I'm a o/o and truck mechanic
I have Two M2-106 with Cat Motors without any issues we bought both Pre Emission @300,000 miles and both don’t use a drop of Oil or Leak a Drop Either they are Both Dump Trucks where we Run the heck out of them, we are definitely a Freight liner Fan the thing is Western Star, Mercedes, Volvo all owned by Daimler Chrysler
We have had the MX Paccar motors here in NZ for while now. While I am a Cummings fan the MX is a good solid motor. We have trucks in our fleet that have a million kms on a motor that is still working and still not had a rebuild. It you ate right you need a good shop that knows their stuff.
4 out of 7 of my semi trucks I owned were salvage no problems with them one had a front end damage nothing crazy one had a new cab because it rolled on its side as long as you stay away from a maxforce you will be fine an apu is key
18 speed has grey splitter button on the shifter, 13 speed has a red splitter button.. quick easy way to tell from outside🍻 EGR = Exhaust Gas Recirculation
I have a car hauler like that purple one and I am also 6’5 and it’s not a comfortable sometimes but I love it. I have a paccar and the only problem I have with it is the def system it is horrible. But will get deleted after warranty is up
I’m in Houston Texas I have a 2013 freightliner cas. 60k rebuilt all Cummins parts new cam reshaved head, water/oil pump, turbo, air compressor and more pics and paperwork im driving it now I’m thinking about sale it $65k w/ tripac Thermo king APU
Probably the most informative, honest, insightful inside information anyone has ever offered in "any industry"! Sounds like Chris at Paccar Financial needed some extra time to get his ducks in a row. Hmmm....
Driven both manual and automatic I absolutely loathe the automatics. Also have experience with the x15 and dd15 I prefer the detroit slightly more because the Jake just seems a bit stronger.
My 2016 Volvo has 850Kmiles(more than 23k engine hours)on it and I haven’t needed to do an overhaul. I haven’t too many issues with the after treatment system either. I probably won’t be doing an overhaul until it reaches a million miles
Nice video! I currently am a company driver with 3 years exp. I run for FedEx ground right now. I’ve put away over 30k cash and I’m just contemplating what a good next move would be. I’m looking at real estate, but I’m also trying to learn everything I can about possibly running my own trucking operation. Tough decisions.. either way thanks for the video 😎🤙
@@thomasb282it’s only terrible because people start out with a $1000 truck payment and care about driving more than about running a business. I go 55 mph with no truck payment and take home $3500 per week. I can live off of $1200 with a family of 4 per week and I put away $2300. Btw that’s take home pay. After I put away taxes, repairs, tires, fuel. The borrower is slave to the lender. If the rates were better, there’s no doubt I could be making 4-5k take home every week.
Sorry, kinda responding as I watch, but to tell which transmission a truck has between 10, 13, or 18 speed, the color of, or lack there of, of the side splitter. If there’s no side splitter, only the front one, it’s a 10. Red side splitter it’s a 13. Gray side splitter it’s a 18.
As a tech the older dpf only trucks 07 to 10 are really good beside cats. Mx engines from 2010 to 2013 were good. But after that are pretty crappy the new mx engines are eating cams. If you can buy an old truck and learn to work on then
When i worked at the Caterpillar Mossville Engine Plant back in 2007 when the new emissions engine came out it was the downfall for Caterpillar and its engine division. We would have engines that would fail the hot test dyno testing and they would tell us to still ship it and they would fix as warranty work, hell they had trucks burn to the ground on tye highway. God knows i had fires in my test cell every nite when it came to the 2007 emission control engines.
Loved this video been driving over two years and wanting to fulfill my dream of getting my custom w900. Long way rings but motivated. This was also the best video yet amazing work.
Alot of the new peterbilts have what's called smart air a 4 battery system apu from the factory runs ac for about 14 or so hours before it will automatically start the motor until batteries are charged
I drive a 23' peterbilt with a packard And to be honest with you I get between 8 to 10 miles to the gallon I wish it had the Commons in it I wish it had the Common And it
Iv'e had all of them except the Paccar and maxforce I had several Cat and Cummins all good engines but I liked the Cat better, the last one I had was a 12.7 Detroit in a Freightliner loved that engine not as much puling power but very good mpg I got 7mpg hauling steel gross weight always 75-80000lbs very reliable and the smoothest running engine I ever drove. I drove an ISX 871 good engine but it sounded like a box of marbles idling also the fuel mileage wasn't that great pulled great and you can't beat the jakes on that engine.
Max Force engines are International. Mx13 engines are Paccar. Definitely a CAT person myself. I had 1.1mil miles on mine before a valve dropped and needed an inframe...
Detroit 60 Series 12.7 is the best engine, hands down! I'm partial because my old Classic XL had that pushing 500 HP on a 13 speed. Old long nose trucks are the best. Screw the DEF and plastic trucks. Pre '07 have no DEF and pre '00 have no ELD. Win win in my book.
Hi Justin, good on you for talking would be owner operators through, what can be a nightmare in buying the right Truck, for the right job. Your knowledge of engines is invaluable when it comes to buying a new, or used Truck. By the by, when it comes to knowing just what box is in the Truck your looking at, Grey splitter trigger is, 18spd. Red splitter trigger is 13spd. and black, I think, is 15spd. Not sure on that colour, been 25yrs or so since I 've driven one. Have seen every one of your videos, for the past 3 and a half years, of course, also a subscriber. Keep up the great videos mate, wouldn't miss one for the world,cheers. John,Queensland, Australia 🇦🇺
MX-13 is actually a PACCAR motor manufactured by Cummins for KW and Peterbuilt. It's not a bad motor, but the electronics and DEF is problematic. You will see lights on the dash quite a bit with the PACCAR system. My T680 is a 2016 and I'm constantly seeing warning lights.
Maxxforce was international. Navistar and caterpillar teamed up to make the maxxforce and it was a total flop. The MX 13 is simply the paccar in house engine. They’ve gotten a lot better over the years, and if buying a 19 or newer, the MX really isn’t a bad option. I, myself, have the caterpillar C15. Only problem with a cat is finding an old school shop that regularly still works on them. Thankfully I have a shop like that and they have a better accessibility for old cat 🐈⬛ arts that other shops might have a waiting period for.
Man I missed watching your video during the time I was on my CDL school!!!! Great video and thanks again to share with us 🔥 15:44 ''you suppose to got it with the 13-speed when it's a RED spliter '' ✌
Unless your in 15 degrees Fahrenheit OR LOWER....Definitely a good idea to run the engine EVEN IF WITH AN APU!! JUSTIN DOESN'T USUALLY DEAL WITH EXTREMELY COLD WEATHER folks fyi
Cannot disagree with you more when it comes to the Paccar Engine. I have been running Paccar power engines for over 8 years, and I am still amazed that you can make comments like " Do not buy Paccar if you want to stay in business ". As for parts I have not had any more problems than trying to get Cummins parts. As for finding technicians to work on them. No problems at all. I do all of my minor servicing myself. And if I had a major breakdown then any Peterbilt or Kenworth dealer can and will work on Paccar engines. And their is know shortage of either dealer. My experience has been nothing but good.
I got a 23 kw 680 Currently has 189160 on the ticker, MX13 on it's 2nd set of injectors and the engine light is on again. I can only imagine it's the same problem as always, time to start looking for injectors again before it goes into Lymp mode again.😢
Maxforce was the nightmare engine from international. I have a friend that has the paccar engine in a T 660 and it’s got one million miles on it. Just now starting to have problems. I have three Cummins ISX and they have been big time pos. I also have a DD 15 and it’s been junk also.. I would love to go back to a 60 series engine today. These after treatment engines just flat out suck
I'm sorry to blow up your comment section but I do appreciate your videos and you're very informative. I know a Freightliner is a cheaper truck they got to say between the ride between how often it breaks down between how it does in the snow it's better than the new Peterbilt aero trucks you know they both have the smart valve and a tag axle hands down the Freightliner is a better truck at least for City driving. The Volvos internationals are better because they have a twin screw but I know you can order different things here and there. The Volvo's ride better and they have a longer frame. I drove a brand new Pete I was not impressed I'd rather have a 5-year-old Freightliner. But honestly so far Volvo is my favorite truck even when it's got a million miles on it it does good. Peterbilt are always in the shop the brand new trucks are out of service more than they're running. The arrow peterbilts I can't speak on the 389s or 379.
Subbed. I want to be you when I grow up. I love the mechanical, market, experience and regulatory knowledge you presented and I got no complaints on your delivery. And I complain A LOT 😂.
As a company driver, I love my 2022 T680 with the Cummins X15 that I'm currently assigned to. I've driven Volvo trucks in the past, not my favorite (just call it personal preference).
I just got switched into a next gen with the x15. Not a fan. It’s noisy and not in a good way, and I’m guessing they have the torque turned down because it’s pretty gutless. I preferred the paccar. Wouldn’t own either though
@@BrandonEht I hate when companies castrate their trucks. My company doesn't. They do govern us at 68, but plenty of power and torque in that X15. I'm usually getting around 8 mpg. It all depends on what specs a company orders them with.
My 1st purchase truck was a 13 freightliner Cascadia @590k one box Def system failed dealer charge 18k to replace the whole thing warranty covered half out of pocket 9,k
Thanks for the video. Currently a year in to my flatbed career . Plan to have 80k this year. Hoping to have 50k for down payment and 30k for uhoh money if I end up buying my own truck.
Buy I cheap truck with a rebuild no emissions, I bought my first truck for 18000 I paid it off in my first 6 months then a trailer the next 6 months I had a paid for truck and trailer my first year of operation the second year I was able to buy a w900 outright my second year. Whatever the case my be keep overhead as low as possible and with some patience and discipline you can get exactly what you want.
The maxforce engine was made by Navistar and only found in International trucks, the Paccar engine is made by Paccar obviously and a better engine than the maxforce which was pretty much a POS. I am not a big Cummins fan but if I was buying a truck these days I would probably go with Cummins mostly because if you are somewhat mechanically inclined you can do a lot of work on it yourself and Cummins will supply the knowhow free with their Quickserve account and like you said there is a lot of shops that can work on them.
Back in the early 70's when I was a teenager growing up on a hay farm my dad bought a 53 Mack Thermodyne with a blown Cummins engine that had been sitting for a couple of years. Dad had been a mechanic in the Air Force. I helped him rebuild the engine and we had a cab-over for hay delivery that was classified as a farm vehicle that I could drive at 16 years old. Dad had never rebuilt a Cummins but he followed the factory service manual. It had 3 gear shifters so it had 24 forward gears. I ended up hauling freight with it as a summer job in Florida when I was in college. That job motivated me to get my Business Degree. Good pay but it was hard work for 12+ hours a day. And now I am in semi-retirement and driving CDL Hot-shot three to four days a week.
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How is it going JUSTIN ,
Do NOT forget to pull the plugs on the TRANSMISSIONS and the rear ENDS and see how much METAL is on the MAGNET , Do NOT forget to JACK the FRONT end up and take a BAR and put it in the rim and lift it up and down and see if the KINGPINS are wore out or NOT tie rods and so forth , Put some OIL in a cup go have it checked , Crawl underneath and SHAKE your drive lines up and down see if they are wore out , I can go on and on , The more you find the more the money drops off the truck ,
You let them know what you found that you have to replace and fix and say this is my offer take it or leave it
I had a MaxForce engine in my truck , backed up real quick and hit the brakes it rolled of my pickup truck bed at the scrapyard .
Lol 😂
Good morning sir..may GOD continue to bless you and your family. Your videos are awesome..keeping the family close and always including them is the definition of a man with integrity..I live down the street from you in CLEMSON SC..Born and raised in Seneca..been in and around trucking from 1983 to present..you provide valuable information from purchase to maintenance. You set the bar high and that's where it belongs..You are always well prepared..your appearance and mannerisms are rare my friend ..let me pause my rambling...and get back to moving Would consider it an honor to meet you sir..Sending love and blessings from my family to yours. Sam I am..LATER....
Sam appreciated fellow Trucker from SC 😎🙏🏽
I’m a retired old timer so my driving days are over! I enjoy watching the different channels on TH-cam!
Justin you put good information out there ! Good job!
Retired old timer? That's not what I heard. It's time you come out of retirement and get busy. No where is it written we are to retire. You run 3,000 miles a week bro and please be safe.
@@JTDyer21 Tks for those kind words! My time as much as I hate say and admit is over! God bless you and be safe!! Keith
Preciate ur service old skool!
@@ADilson-wz7jm thank you!
Yeah i worked at the Caterpillar Mossville Engine Plant as a hot test specialist, which i would hook up the engines to the dyno's and run em thru the process and in 2007 i had a fire in my test cell almost EVERY NITE due to the new emissions control BS they were trying to get in order. All of 2005-2006 we got unlimited overtime cause they were pushing out all the Cat 3406's they could before the new emissions of the 2007. The older 3406 Cats were in my opinion the BEST ENGINE EVER!
I think paccar owns Peterbilt and Kenworth which is why the new trucks are so similar.
Any Peterbilt or KW dealer can work on an MX13, same as having to go to Freightliner to get work done on a new DD15. I’m 120k miles into my second MX13 with no issues, sold my previous truck a year ago with 600k on an MX13 and had no issues with it. Both ones were 510/1850.
What can of Fuel Mileage U Where Seeing?
@@chrismoody5977 My current truck is 7.67mpg for the year. I track my fuel mileage on paper every time I fill up. Weight is never a concern for me so if I’m stopping for fuel I top the tanks off all the way and fill my def.
@@chrismoody5977 Hi My average has been 7.8 mpg. I will take that all day long. And as for reliability I cannot fault the MX13. I am now on my third Pete with the MX13 and for sure I will continue with this set up.
@@anthony1636 What’s You HP And Torque Rating, Do U Have A Long Nose Pete Or A Aero Pete ?
@@bradj7900 what truck? I'm getting from 7.5 to 9-ish in my company Cascadia (turned down somewhat) depending on the load and terrain.
Great info for guys wanting to go on their own in trucking.
This vid really helped me out I recently just bought a truck yesterday a 2000 Frieghtliner classic, rebuilt engine everything looks good your vid help me thanks
Great buy,,these old trucks run 4ever,,i bougt a 96 pete 10 years ago for $4k,still works everyday,,Good luck
I run day cabs now, but my last OTR was a 16 Cummins pro star, the factory APU was fine @ 30-40 degrees, but could not cut the mustard on a 0 degree north Wisconsin evening, and there wasn't a trick in the book to over ride the auto shutdown system, ugh, and screw DPF, had a plain jane 06 9400, was the best truck I ever ran :)
I learned to drive a twin stick 6x4 dual allison peter powered by an international v8, yes a v8! non turbo. She was old, but gosh I loved the rocket science it took to learn how to start the thing rolling and running efficiently. Unfortunately I couldn't pull a full dry van and had to stick to 60 ton or less since I drove the Virginia mountains.
After that I graduated to a decked out Peterbuilt where my boss straight up told me I had to polish her every week and send him a picture. 10/10 work horse show truck right there. Too bad the company folded. After that I picked up for swift and left the industry 2 months later. I still get phone calls form companies wanting to pull me back in, but honestly I just commit to the life style anymore.
Trucking isn't just a career, it's a life style. I'm glad Justin is out showing it for what it is.
Appreciate the story bud that’s awesome
When there is a splitter on the side of the stick, you can tell what speed it is from the color of the splitter.
Red-13
Blue-15
Grey-18
There is also the 10 over, I think it's a red splitter, but it doesn't have the hi/lo in the front because it's basically a 5 speed that you have to split every gear
Don’t forget the 8LL
@@VagabondS316 10 over, you mean super 10?
@VagabondS316 thanks, I never knew that
As a diesel mechanic for 10yrs I can tell you that paccar is a sister company of cummins almost everything is interchangable with the Cummins and their good engines not the most powerful but their great work horses and more affordable
I’m hoping all this information helps some people out there and gives them confidence in buying a truck and trailer!!! Keep up the awesome content and hopefully you’ll have the trailer back tomorrow so you can get some loads in before the holidays kick in!!!
Please stop calling a Paccar MX13 a Maxxforce, which is a Navistar product. Thanks
This is a video any start up driver should watch. Any help is always good!! Hope they get your axle fixed and you find a load! I bet the brokers are wondering what happened to you!!! lol !!
I tested in a 05 freightliner columbia day cab with a Detroit 60 serious and eaton fuller 10 speed and it was hooked up to a 48’ tempte hopper bottom.
To add to what has been said, if you’re buying a truck newer than 09-10, the chances of finding a CAT engine will be slim, as Caterpillar got tired of trying to do the EPA’s emissions dance and so stopped making commercial truck engines in 2010.
All cats that was built with aftertreatment on it are complete shit. Ard heads once a year and all types of issues
they still make late model engines you can buy as crate motors. comes with warranty as well like c15
Yeah after 2006 the Cat engines went to crap, they closed down the Mossville engine plant where i worked and moved it to Texas. The Cat 3406 Acert from 2006 and older is the BEST ENGINE.
Hey Justin the mx motor is not a maxxforce motor the mx is paccar motor maxxforce was international motor which was actually a c13 cat internals and block international head and emission controls. Cat sold the rights to international. To each his own but stay away from emission motors and for sure stay away from cummins they are nicknamed cumapart for a reason. I've got one 12.7 detroit and two c15 cats inframed the detroit with head for around 15000.00 done the cats with head for around 18500.00 each. The transmission shifter has a red spliter button it's a 13 speed if the spliter is blue it's a 15 speed (don't make those trans anymore) if spliter is grey it's an 18 speed. Which a 13 and 18 speeds are nothing but a glorified 9 speed with auxiliary box on back of trans. My advice stay away from emission motors it's cheaper to inframe and maintain the non emission motors plus they last longer and they get better fuel economy.
Not the biggest fan of emission motors myself, but if I were to buy one it would definitely not be a Cummins. DD13 all the way
Thanks for taking the time to help us newbies.
Note the DDC DD 13-15-16 DPF one box has replaceable DPF filters and all components are replaceable. Many times techs replace entire components based on mileage
Buying used get the shop to back up the filters. Most Freightliners are turned in by big flees at or near 500k
Get a sales agreement on emissions devices of you can. I'd also request test drive with a tech and DL8 diagnostic running during the drive.any faults ask for repair first.
This would be on any truck.
Realize Freightliner and Western Star run Detroit and Cummins.
I know in Canada its different- most candaian trucks don't have APUs but do have a bunk heater, but I head if its like -45 degrees celsius - you have idle the truck the whole night or the next day it won't start
We plugged ours in if it was back at the terminal, but it wasn’t usually that cold.
I drove both auto and manual. I prefer manual cause I like to have full control of my truck. From what I've heard, it's more costly to work on an automatic transmission. Also I have a 12.7 detroit and I love the motor, cheap on parts and alot of people can work on them.
Cats aren’t that bad to rebuild, cummins seems to run higher from those I’ve talked to. I have a cat and have talked to multiple people who have recently rebuilt theirs for mid 20’s. If you take it to cat it will be higher. Cummins seems to make it to the 6/700’s , a well maintained cat will make it to a million miles. Detroit seems to split the difference. Cats are definitely expensive to maintain but go further between rebuilds. Detroit is the cheapest, can rebuild those for less than 15. (60 series) best engines: cummins n14, detroit 60, cat 6nz
Great info JP 😎🙏🏽
The best engine for o/o is series 60 pre 2003 the six 15 has cam wear on lobes, intake rockers. I have one apart and more on the lot, I'm a o/o and truck mechanic
I have Two M2-106 with Cat Motors without any issues we bought both Pre Emission @300,000 miles and both don’t use a drop of Oil or Leak a Drop Either they are Both Dump Trucks where we Run the heck out of them, we are definitely a Freight liner Fan the thing is Western Star, Mercedes, Volvo all owned by Daimler Chrysler
Great info brother thx for all of it. By summer I'll be looking because market is getting flooded with tractors. Def will check out green APU too
Glad it helped 😎🙏🏽
Great video I took a lot of notes and yes the jailbreak is 807 HP
We have had the MX Paccar motors here in NZ for while now. While I am a Cummings fan the MX is a good solid motor. We have trucks in our fleet that have a million kms on a motor that is still working and still not had a rebuild. It you ate right you need a good shop that knows their stuff.
4 out of 7 of my semi trucks I owned were salvage no problems with them one had a front end damage nothing crazy one had a new cab because it rolled on its side as long as you stay away from a maxforce you will be fine an apu is key
18 speed has grey splitter button on the shifter, 13 speed has a red splitter button.. quick easy way to tell from outside🍻
EGR = Exhaust Gas Recirculation
E G R… exhaust Gas Recirculated 😊😊😊, love you guys … stay safe , hope your trailer gets done soon, and you get a great load, from central Illinois
I have a car hauler like that purple one and I am also 6’5 and it’s not a comfortable sometimes but I love it. I have a paccar and the only problem I have with it is the def system it is horrible. But will get deleted after warranty is up
Thanks bro right I’m looking into buying my first truck🙏🏻 been watching you for the past 3 years.
Glad to help man appreciate it
I’m in Houston Texas I have a 2013 freightliner cas. 60k rebuilt all Cummins parts new cam reshaved head, water/oil pump, turbo, air compressor and more pics and paperwork im driving it now I’m thinking about sale it $65k w/ tripac Thermo king APU
60k?
@ 60k miles
Probably the most informative, honest, insightful inside information anyone has ever offered in "any industry"! Sounds like Chris at Paccar Financial needed some extra time to get his ducks in a row. Hmmm....
Driven both manual and automatic I absolutely loathe the automatics. Also have experience with the x15 and dd15 I prefer the detroit slightly more because the Jake just seems a bit stronger.
Thank you Justin for your content. I hope to buy my truck next year and your channel has been helpful
Glad to help 😎🙏🏽
My 2016 Volvo has 850Kmiles(more than 23k engine hours)on it and I haven’t needed to do an overhaul. I haven’t too many issues with the after treatment system either. I probably won’t be doing an overhaul until it reaches a million miles
Appreciate these super informative videos breaking down the nitty gritty. Very impactful. Thank you.
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MX11 and MX13 with automated manual transmissions have been running in Europe for years with very few issues except for def/dpf trash...
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My first truck, 1970 IH COE 4070A! Screaming 318, 13 speed under drive tranny.
Freight liner has a great automatic but I still prefer manual
Nice video! I currently am a company driver with 3 years exp. I run for FedEx ground right now. I’ve put away over 30k cash and I’m just contemplating what a good next move would be. I’m looking at real estate, but I’m also trying to learn everything I can about possibly running my own trucking operation. Tough decisions.. either way thanks for the video 😎🤙
@@thomasb282it’s only terrible because people start out with a $1000 truck payment and care about driving more than about running a business. I go 55 mph with no truck payment and take home $3500 per week. I can live off of $1200 with a family of 4 per week and I put away $2300. Btw that’s take home pay. After I put away taxes, repairs, tires, fuel. The borrower is slave to the lender. If the rates were better, there’s no doubt I could be making 4-5k take home every week.
@@ChrisNevaMiss17 man that's some serious money right there even with the low rates now a days, any tips?
Hopefully I get on rolling in my own truck soon. Thank you for the good information 🤙💪💯
Get a glider truck
These guys on fb are smoking angel dust. Tryna sell an old truck with high miles and salvage title for 40k
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Sorry, kinda responding as I watch, but to tell which transmission a truck has between 10, 13, or 18 speed, the color of, or lack there of, of the side splitter. If there’s no side splitter, only the front one, it’s a 10. Red side splitter it’s a 13. Gray side splitter it’s a 18.
As a tech the older dpf only trucks 07 to 10 are really good beside cats. Mx engines from 2010 to 2013 were good. But after that are pretty crappy the new mx engines are eating cams. If you can buy an old truck and learn to work on then
I like a manual Trans !! Especially in the Mountainous Areas !!!
When i worked at the Caterpillar Mossville Engine Plant back in 2007 when the new emissions engine came out it was the downfall for Caterpillar and its engine division. We would have engines that would fail the hot test dyno testing and they would tell us to still ship it and they would fix as warranty work, hell they had trucks burn to the ground on tye highway. God knows i had fires in my test cell every nite when it came to the 2007 emission control engines.
Loved this video been driving over two years and wanting to fulfill my dream of getting my custom w900. Long way rings but motivated. This was also the best video yet amazing work.
Love your videos, check out Amsoil instead of Rotella better life span !!!
But he gets the shell for free so he'll push it.
Alot of the new peterbilts have what's called smart air a 4 battery system apu from the factory runs ac for about 14 or so hours before it will automatically start the motor until batteries are charged
JUSTIN your wife is lucky to have u u workaholic 😆 🤣 God bless hopefully these times get better for the industry
I drive a 23' peterbilt with a packard And to be honest with you I get between 8 to 10 miles to the gallon I wish it had the Commons in it I wish it had the Common And it
APU is a HUGE plus for sure. The opti-Idle and bunk heaters suck! I hated it in my ‘18 freightliner.
Iv'e had all of them except the Paccar and maxforce I had several Cat and Cummins all good engines but I liked the Cat better, the last one I had was a 12.7 Detroit in a Freightliner loved that engine not as much puling power but very good mpg I got 7mpg hauling steel gross weight always 75-80000lbs very reliable and the smoothest running engine I ever drove. I drove an ISX 871 good engine but it sounded like a box of marbles idling also the fuel mileage wasn't that great pulled great and you can't beat the jakes on that engine.
Great video! Thank you so much to spend your valuable time and make this video. It will help so many drivers in the industry.
Thank you for sharing this! Really help a novice like me a lot!
Max Force engines are International. Mx13 engines are Paccar. Definitely a CAT person myself. I had 1.1mil miles on mine before a valve dropped and needed an inframe...
EGR exg. gas , recirculation
in canada 99 or older lol pre DEF pre ELD id even consider look for pre 94 so i can actually work on my own brakes
Detroit 60 Series 12.7 is the best engine, hands down! I'm partial because my old Classic XL had that pushing 500 HP on a 13 speed. Old long nose trucks are the best. Screw the DEF and plastic trucks. Pre '07 have no DEF and pre '00 have no ELD. Win win in my book.
Had a 12.7 Detroit D Deck 4 1.3 million miles on it before in frame
Hi Justin, good on you for talking would be owner operators through, what can be a nightmare in buying the right Truck, for the right job. Your knowledge of engines is invaluable when it comes to buying a new, or used Truck. By the by, when it comes to knowing just what box is in the Truck your looking at, Grey splitter trigger is, 18spd. Red splitter trigger is 13spd. and black, I think, is 15spd. Not sure on that colour, been 25yrs or so since I 've driven one. Have seen every one of your videos, for the past 3 and a half years, of course, also a subscriber. Keep up the great videos mate, wouldn't miss one for the world,cheers. John,Queensland, Australia 🇦🇺
Love this Guy good person.
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MX-13 is actually a PACCAR motor manufactured by Cummins for KW and Peterbuilt. It's not a bad motor, but the electronics and DEF is problematic. You will see lights on the dash quite a bit with the PACCAR system. My T680 is a 2016 and I'm constantly seeing warning lights.
Volvo VNL series started from 2003- 2018 with the same body lines.
Appreciate the insight bud
Maxxforce was international. Navistar and caterpillar teamed up to make the maxxforce and it was a total flop. The MX 13 is simply the paccar in house engine. They’ve gotten a lot better over the years, and if buying a 19 or newer, the MX really isn’t a bad option.
I, myself, have the caterpillar C15. Only problem with a cat is finding an old school shop that regularly still works on them. Thankfully I have a shop like that and they have a better accessibility for old cat 🐈⬛ arts that other shops might have a waiting period for.
Don’t know why I was merging them as the Same 😑🙏🏽
nice ! i have a detriot DD13 2014 motor parts are cheap and easy to fix that engine !
Man I missed watching your video during the time I was on my CDL school!!!! Great video and thanks again to share with us 🔥 15:44 ''you suppose to got it with the 13-speed when it's a RED spliter '' ✌
For owner operators your I promise you get you a glider truck easy to work on parts are easy but if you get any of these new trucks good luck
Best video ever to help me get a strong idea what to look for. Thank you
Unless your in 15 degrees Fahrenheit OR LOWER....Definitely a good idea to run the engine EVEN IF WITH AN APU!! JUSTIN DOESN'T USUALLY DEAL WITH EXTREMELY COLD WEATHER folks fyi
I'm curious about Western Star. If I ever buy my own truck that's a consideration.
Great truck. WST and Freightliner same engineering and swing rather DD engine or Cummins
Cannot disagree with you more when it comes to the Paccar Engine. I have been running Paccar power engines for over 8 years, and I am still amazed that you can make comments like " Do not buy Paccar if you want to stay in business ". As for parts I have not had any more problems than trying to get Cummins parts.
As for finding technicians to work on them. No problems at all. I do all of my minor servicing myself. And if I had a major breakdown then any Peterbilt or Kenworth dealer can and will work on Paccar engines. And their is know shortage of either dealer. My experience has been nothing but good.
What year is that paccar engine
I got a 23 kw 680 Currently has 189160 on the ticker, MX13 on it's 2nd set of injectors and the engine light is on again. I can only imagine it's the same problem as always, time to start looking for injectors again before it goes into Lymp mode again.😢
Get pre emissions truck or find a good tuner. On cummins or.DD.or d13.
Much appreciated learnt a lot from your videos
Maxforce was the nightmare engine from international. I have a friend that has the paccar engine in a T 660 and it’s got one million miles on it. Just now starting to have problems. I have three Cummins ISX and they have been big time pos. I also have a DD 15 and it’s been junk also.. I would love to go back to a 60 series engine today. These after treatment engines just flat out suck
IDC if the year is 2197... im still using a manual.
Man what a helpful video. Seen quite a few on this subject and yours is by far the best.
I'm sorry to blow up your comment section but I do appreciate your videos and you're very informative. I know a Freightliner is a cheaper truck they got to say between the ride between how often it breaks down between how it does in the snow it's better than the new Peterbilt aero trucks you know they both have the smart valve and a tag axle hands down the Freightliner is a better truck at least for City driving. The Volvos internationals are better because they have a twin screw but I know you can order different things here and there. The Volvo's ride better and they have a longer frame. I drove a brand new Pete I was not impressed I'd rather have a 5-year-old Freightliner. But honestly so far Volvo is my favorite truck even when it's got a million miles on it it does good. Peterbilt are always in the shop the brand new trucks are out of service more than they're running. The arrow peterbilts I can't speak on the 389s or 379.
Bro - the rock chip in your windshield made my eye Twitch the entire time!
Thanks for sharing.
One thing you didn’t cover pick up a dye kit that will show if there is anything like Antifreeze mixed in the Oil.
Good info. You just save some drivers from bad choices
I’ve been told that if an injector goes out in a volvo motor you have to replace all to get warranty! Former boss told me that!!
Subbed. I want to be you when I grow up. I love the mechanical, market, experience and regulatory knowledge you presented and I got no complaints on your delivery. And I complain A LOT 😂.
Thanks for the sub! Appreciate it 😎🙏🏽
All large trucks that have automatics are automated transmissions. Most of them are made by Eaton
As a company driver, I love my 2022 T680 with the Cummins X15 that I'm currently assigned to. I've driven Volvo trucks in the past, not my favorite (just call it personal preference).
I just got switched into a next gen with the x15. Not a fan. It’s noisy and not in a good way, and I’m guessing they have the torque turned down because it’s pretty gutless. I preferred the paccar. Wouldn’t own either though
@@BrandonEht I hate when companies castrate their trucks. My company doesn't. They do govern us at 68, but plenty of power and torque in that X15. I'm usually getting around 8 mpg. It all depends on what specs a company orders them with.
@@tomflinn9815 hello I will wile you be friends with you
My 12.7 Detroit d deck 4 did 1.3 million miles before in frame
My 1st purchase truck was a 13 freightliner Cascadia @590k one box Def system failed dealer charge 18k to replace the whole thing warranty covered half out of pocket 9,k
I had 3 paccar motors never a problem
Why wouldn't some of these companies put APU'S on their trucks to save on wear and tear and fuel cost? Just doesn't make sense to me.
Thanks for the info Justin be safe out there
Thanks for the video. Currently a year in to my flatbed career . Plan to have 80k this year. Hoping to have 50k for down payment and 30k for uhoh money if I end up buying my own truck.
Did you get a truck?
@@capriceboney5394 negative. Got out of the industry all together
It's a paccar motor not max force motor in the Pete. Max force is International
I had issues with paccore,im with you ,cat is a good motor but since they don't make them anymore parts are going be crazy high
Great vid, I have watched it a few times. Please turn the motor off next time it makes it hard to actually hear you at some points.
Buy I cheap truck with a rebuild no emissions, I bought my first truck for 18000 I paid it off in my first 6 months then a trailer the next 6 months I had a paid for truck and trailer my first year of operation the second year I was able to buy a w900 outright my second year. Whatever the case my be keep overhead as low as possible and with some patience and discipline you can get exactly what you want.
That’s awesome 😎🙏🏽