Sorry the video was late! Had a few rendering and uploading issues. I have decided to include the links in the description, so we'll see how that goes... The video isn't monetized for obvious reasons.
damnit TIK i was hoping for something like "genocide wasn't a crime in 1939 but was in 1945" which is the case. people love to talk about the Armenians who got thrown under the bus as if it's evidence of other than the fact it wasn't a crime prior to 1945. Eric Hunt rhymes with Mike Hunt, say it aloud for the lol...
Non-monetization isn't merely "let's not fund secret nazis" but also "let's try to get funds to the victims" (most all of whom are dead by now) but above all "how can google avoid paying out while convincing others it pays out" I don't know of any other video service which pays you to upload, it's economic competition as well as political factors. Doesn't mean it's right just explaining the objective facts.
Marx was Jewish His parents were converts He thought capitalism screwed up Judaism not there was something wrong with being Jewish. Please don't talk about economics any more. It's nonsense.
@@Wankerstew lol, "defend the holocaust," sounds like he will attempt to defend the rationale behind the holocaust and the motives of those who perpetrated it.
@@henrylinky6767 look if you’ve watched the guy from the beginning you already know where he stands and what’s implied… but verbatim in his words, I get where you and others are coming from.
As a Jew, if this video is demonetized or censored for discussing the Holocaust, I would be outraged. Avoidance and suppression are not better than denial.
Religion is the only belief that can be chosen to accept by unquestionable faith. Only those with subversive motivations use propaganda to demand their narrative as unquestionable.
And a critical investigation of the Holocaust narrative will show that all available evidence (documentary evidence, eyewitness testimonies, physical evidence, etc.) supports the idea that Jews were mass gassed and cremated at the sites of Auschwitz, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, and Chelmno.
I 100% agree with you on the fact that poorly done History Documentaries do more damage than good. I've seen some horrible WW2 documentaries on Smithsonian Channel that are so inaccurate as to be misleading.
Yeah all of the historical documentaries I watched as a kid are all smashed to pieces by TIk honestly. They all ignore economics.. politics and getting inside the heads of the people of the time.
@@zacharypayne4080 Here in Brazil, we were taught to believe our president and dictator at the time of the war Getúlio Vargas was a facist, in fact he was a pretty hardcore socialist who knew how to keep the facists in place by deporting Jews and Communists to Germany.
I kind of know what he went through. In my second year in the U.S., my English 102 professor encouraged me to dig into what happened in Tibet from 1949 to 1959 for my final project. That was the first time I researched and read through everything both sides had documented about that time. I came to realize both sides had added, deleted, exaggerated, or downplayed events to better fit their narratives. But at the same time, through comparisons, I was able to draw a rough picture of what happened during that 10 years. For me, it was a very confusing time. Imagine being 19 years old and all of a sudden finding out what I knew for the past 19 years may not necessarily be true. It took me another two years and numerous readings/classes to finally pull it through. It is interesting out of all the classes I took in undergrad, it was a couple politics, history, and one English writing class that really shaped who I was as a person.
@@jonathanswifter2807 Essentially, China tried to annex them by destroying the core of their principals. It's the entire reason why this Dalai Lama is the last one - it's part of their attempt to wipe out their cultural identity and impose their own.
This is why I despise censorship. It doesn't stop people from spreading wrong information, it just makes them believe their information is all the more important and correct. When there isn't censorship, you can discuss and disprove these ideas and clear things up. Granted that can only be done if both sides sit down to talk but still, that can't happen if you censor people from talking about it.
@@TheImperatorKnight yeah... You're doing vital work collecting and discussing all this information. As someone who majored in history, thank you. Seriously.
@@neiloflongbeck5705 The REAL nightmares come when these things are repeated because nobody knew they happened previously. Hiding evil from children only makes it more likely for them to ignore or even embrace it. Imposed ignorance is the very essence of child abuse.
This is why I'm for free speech. Yes, it means that the Nazis get a voice, but it also means non-Nazis get a voice too, which will allow the side with the overwhelming evidence too prevail.
This video is a masterclass in exemplary behavior in the free marketplace of ideas. Depicted here is the optimal way to interact with people who we disagree with; the principle of charitable interpretation, the patience to hear and comprehend fully the position of the other and most importantly the use of stern, honest criticism without resorting to insult and mockery. Very commendable and inspirational conduct indeed.
indeed! this should be used as examples in schools or maybe even taught. it is becoming increasingly clear that people don't know how to debate other people they disagree with.
You actually get put in prison for questioning certain details about the H in most European countries, including some Eastern European countries like Russia, I believe. They put like an 80 year old grandmother in prison for asking questions about the H in Europe. They have no mercy. I'm pretty sure she died in prison. That doesn't make for a good debate tactic. It actually makes you think that they're afraid of debating the history and details that we're all taught about. Maybe because a lot of the details of it have been factually debunked... Btw, it's Mandatory for all schools to teach about this certain, horrible situation. At the same time ignoring way worse incidents that happened around the same time... not to mention the fact that they make a couple movies about it every year. The truth doesn't fear the light. Edit: I'm going to repost this because I doubt anyone will see this in this thread.
One last comment on this. We are not in any position to "forgive" him. There is nothing to forgive. All political viewpoints should be allowed. Even if we disagree with the revisionists, it is a shame that people have been imprisoned for where they fall on what used to be the political SPECTRUM. Unironically calling something "politically incorrect" in a democracy is way worse than radically revising/denying history in my opinion.
Your opening statements are a truly revealing and a honest indictment of the political correct climate that prevails today. That being said thank you very much for having the courage to tackle this extremely sensitive and difficult subject. My granddad was a holocaust survivor and I can honestly say that I 100% support the freedom to ask any questions about any subjects even the most painful ones. Censureship and dogma hurts the truth much more then the deniers do. It only feeds their feeble arguments. So thank you TIK for taking this subject on.
It's about advertisers. You can call that censorship if you'd like but it's really not. Coca cola doesn't want the bad press of having their ads on videos featuring nazi's. The algorithm can't tell the difference so it acts on the safe side. This isn't some social crusade. It's capitalism.
Just saying. No private corporation has any obligation to platform any argument. Censorship, free speech, freedom of expression legislation is generally (though not exclusively) there to prevent government from muzzling its citizens. It's often lazy, inaccurate or purposely disingenuous when these words are cited in other contexts.
You’re right on the money, G. I’m sorry for your grandfathers experience, but your viewpoint is spot on. We will repeat the past if we keep repeating the same mistakes.
Holocaust stories and records must be open to all people, schools, universities, public forums etc..., without fear of censorship, legal/crminal charges, descrimation and or racist bias or hatred. The open, independent study of WW2 historical TRUTH is most important for all of us.
Many of them are... Anonymous cowards like the platform... it is one of the most disgraceful aspects of our age that social media encourages weaklings to post vile opinions they are too cowardly to share under their own names... That is a fact. Joey Tranchina
The problem with nearly all conspiracy theories is they're based on the idea that if you can prove or cast doubt on the accuracy of one part of the official story, the whole thing comes down and then you can put forward a different story (often with zero proof of this alternative). The best argument/analogy against this technique I heard is that if I have a 1,000 piece jigsaw and I've got 950 pieces in the right place, but missing/put the last 50 pieces in the wrong place, I can still tell it's a picture of the Eiffel Tower and you pointing out these 50 wrong pieces doesn't mean you get to claim it's actually a jigsaw of Niagra Falls
TIK: Look, I'm going to do the funny moustache man's voice so people don't take me out of context. Also TIK: “Dear TH-cam censors I am here to defend the holocaust."
For me the fact that he needed to spend the whole intro saying he's not a Nazi is a greater tragedy than anything we could say about the Holocaust. That genocied is over and the Jews it killed dead and gone. However, censorship, fear of being canceled, excessive corporate power permitting it to manipulate what people can say....these are all alive and well. And they shouldnt exist. I dont care how good a reason you have, i dont care what cause you serve and i sure as hell dont care what your definition of "responsiblity" is. No man should be this scared of saying what he thinks or needing to take this many precautions.
This is one of the reasons why I started to question things many decades ago as the outright demonization of Notsee's, 1930's/40's Germany and its people, bombing of Dresden, etc etc etc. while the same fervor to also blame the Communists and Soviet Union for much worse atrocities was absent. The Demonization of the National Socialists of Germany has always been about Right/Left politics. It has put right wing Nationalists and racialists always on defense. Even Conservatives play into their narrative and it has become very destructive for the West.
The fact he dose that and then pretends that nobodys trying to force you to believe lamp shades soap fertilizer fake multibillion dollar industry. A industry invented by Russian communist (gods chosen people) why cuz Austrian painter paints a clear picture how rhe commie/Zionist work together thesis antithesis
@@kekecnakvadrat Beer can refer to a family of drinks that include ales, ales use a top fermenting yeast. Beer can also refer to lagers which use a yeast with larger cells that sit at the bottom, bottom fermented. Beers have a wide range of flavors. In my opinion 'live' ale is best, there is something lost in bottling or canning.
@@Cyprian96 meh, no. That wouldn't have the theatrical aspect to it. I kind of enjoy that. Beside imagine Alexa voice quoting Hitler. That would scare the hell out of me :)
It was because the Germans were afraid of Communists and were taken in by the stabbed in the back myth of WW1 and using the Hebrews as a scapegoat for the defeat. (to be fair to the Germans the US did experience a Red scare where Racial tension between Blacks and Whites exploded but not on the level of Germany doing it to the Hebrews.)
David Cole, writing as David Stein, disputed a portion of the Holocaust and knocked the number down to 4 million. He got violent death threats from the Jewish Defense League, and from Nazis calling him a shill. What this number brings to mind is that when we talked about figures for the forced famines in the USSR and in China, estimates vary by tens of millions, especially trying to separate natural deaths from deaths caused by government action such as seizing all the food.
I think that's more because neither the USSR or China crashed and burned so soon after their atrocities like the Nazis did. Keep in mind we only got access to the Soviet archives 50 years after the fact, and we hardly have any access to the Chinese archives at all.
@@doctorbobcat7123 'Crashed and burned'? Germany was systematically destroyed from the outside. There's a reason Berliners fought to the death, and it wasn't love for a dead politician
I think the tactics of calling people “deniers” when they are just skeptical on some points is dishonest. I also think the supply of true denighers will continue to grow because of the authoritarian hand at preventing this one element of history. That alone can be perceived as “something to hide”.
Kind of like an academic or epistemological version of pop culture's "Streisand Effect"? In market theory they call that "perverse incentive". It's supposed to balance out so called "rational expectation". But for me, the latter might as well be "normalcy bias".
I remember, back in the seventies, a guy at work who was with an armored division telling about what it was like when he entered a concentration Camp. He said that he cursed the day, because of what he saw, and his life would never be the same. This guy was a real hard nut and the other guys were pretty intimidated by him. By and large they would not talk about it, another English guy I knew who before the war was a Black Shirt, told me that what Hitler did was wrong, he still hated Jews, but he had seen with his own eyes the suffering. Practically everybody was a little batty back then after the war. Anyway good show for sticking your neck out.
@@destubae3271 In 1966 the world cup winning year, there was practically no nationalism on display, and you would have been told off if you expressed the victory that way, Franz Beccanbar the German captain was a regular guest on one of the three TV channels. What I am trying to say is that I think people had a better take on national pride than today.
I've watched most of Eric Hunts videos. I still remember how the community that backed him turned on him like a pack of wolves when he changed his tune.
I couldn't find the other ones, but yes, I do think find it funny how they quickly abandoned him. It reminds me of all my old socialist viewers who abandoned me when I left the faith, and now I'm the devil.
@@TheImperatorKnight His blog was filled with anger. Some of his financial backers even threatened to sue him. Rather than respecting his decision to leave the debate. According to Eric the evidence that Birkenau was an Internal Sleep Camp was Irrefutable and so he just couldn't make videos on the subject anymore. That is all I remember why he quit. There could be more personal reasons but... I'm not even sure his blog is around anymore.
It really takes a cultist mindset to go from embracing someone as a 'truth seeker' to ostracizing them for supposedly selling out because the truth they found does not support your belief anymore.
@@cdcdrr It's why David Cole quit even after he came out of hiding. He critized the HD community for refusing to admit when they're wrong, and being unable to find evidence to support some of their claims.
As a Jew I have always wondered about the math of cremation. Even today it takes 4 0plus hrs to com0lete and then there’s still skeleton left. THIS IS “the ashes” one recieves after cremation. I don’t see enough time. Then there’s how does one fit 200,000 bodies in large pits? Do people not realise how deep they’d have to dig? We did in the USA (Yankees) buried confederate dead in trenches at up to 10,000 and they are LONG. my fear has always been that these camps are still cemeteries and loved ones are still there. We need to know for sure. Maybe it no longer matters. My guess is the numbers are slightly inflated and they used burn pits over crematories and trenches to bury their victims. We KNOW the Allie’s did this when they freed camps due to the amount of dead as we have pictures and testimony. We should always strive for truth and not forgot ALL those murdered. May HaShem bless their souls….
dont forget that the ovens were 1920s coal fired technology that had to shut down and serviced regularly,,even todays gas powered computer controlled ones take an hour....also why no mention of bone crushing machines?..u have my respect for questioning this but if i were u i would keep my mouth shut about it when around fellowJ
Me I do not deny the Holocaust, nevertheless I am deeply troubled by the fact that a 92 year old lady sits in prison for denying the Holocaust. Since when do words speak louder than deeds?
shes there for the 2nd time and is the oldest femaale prisoner in the world...bearing in mind that she has done nothing but have an opinion about a historical event tells u everything u need to know
immigrant rap*sts are given parole in Germany while they have imprisoned 92 yr old Ursula Haverback for questioning a number given by historians that has been revised by the historical community themselves more than a half dozen times! They have locked up the music artist 'Mr Bond' with a 10 year sentence for MAKING PARODY SONGS with lyrics which question said historical events. Its a sad state for many Europeans. Locked away in their own nations for speaking the truth while foreigners rape and pillage their lands with zero consequence.
"people who challenge the accepted narratives in society" LMAO, "challenge" with what exactly? A "challenge" without a working knowledge of academic process is not a challenge, it's ignorance and arrogance.
I live in Eastern Poland. Majdanek camp is actually partially preserved. My great grandfather had been there for few months. Belzec camp was completely destroyed true, however now it hosts a quite spectacular monument and a small museum. Both are worth visiting is you have a stomach for such sobering experience.
I think we're all forgetting the craziest part of this story. How so many Jews were able to escape the death camps and how no one remembers the corpses turning red from Zyklon-B. Crazy!
@@codieomeallain6635 Any large institution inevitably becomes too inefficient, hierarchical and self serving. Quit pretending there's something wrong or dumb about acknowledging this. When did you first lick a boot and think, "This tastes good"?
@@BERNTRR Absolutely. Hell if you think about it. At its most basic level, government is just an over glorified and highly complicated protection racket.
The moment the Third Reich deprived an individual, Jewish or not, from his private property and/or freedom, the Third Reich committed a crime. It was also responsible and accountable for the well being of every individual deported. Whether those individuals died of disease or hunger, because the Allies cut the food provision lines --as deniers claim--does not exonerate the Third Reich from responsibility. Having said that, I do think the Allies were not held accountable for atrocities they committed. However, that does not exonerate the Third Reich.
@@TheImperatorKnight As the cop in "Die Hard" says, "Welcome to the party pal!" 😊 I and others were humiliating the short bus followers of William Pierce and Willis Carto in usenet back in the '80s and '90s. Good job, keep it up.
does it, just like almost every other topic he covers either you'll take what he says into consideration or you wont. I'm not a denier myself but someone who's come to realize that people don't change their stripes often on this topic. One could even argue some of the legal cases were won because a person cant prove their telling the truth more then a person proving the other is lying. This topic should be a simple one to believe but its not. I only bring up the legal cases because their relevant to people not believing.
Im not a denier but you cant rly cremate bodies in an open pit. You can burn the bodies to rid of disease but will have to bury the charred bodies it wont turn them to ash.
I've never seen a good breakdown of holocaust deaths. What numbers can be attributed to intentional slaughter, harsh conditions, capital punishment, logistical issues and disease? It's probably been impossible to work out since 1945 but I still think it somewhat matters.
I have to say that I used to be a Holocaust denier myself, precisely BECAUSE Holocaust denial is being punished by the law. Basically, the logic is, people in power hate the truth the most (which is true), and so if they have to BAN something, then said something must be true, right? Second reason was that, well, Holocaust never really made sense to me - until, that is, I watched your videos on Hitler's socialism. That is what finally convinced me that yes, Holocaust did happen. Thank you for that. EDIT: Also, the Left definitely does equate Germans with Nazis, and in fact equates white people with Nazis. Hence the Holocaust denialism - it is a defensive response to "you are evil for having been born".
I used to believe that anyone who denies the holocaust does so because he wants to exonerate Nazism in order to make it _hoffaehig_ again, and secretely believes that it actually happened and _unfortunately_ (in his opinion) failed. Until now, when I read your comment. A holocaust denier of the type described above wouldn't ever change his mind but only wouldn't deny it too openly in order to avoid prosecution.
@@domobran7They're very wrong in that because national-socialism is a third way ideology and not right wing. But it's simpler to say right wing than third way because seems like no one is aware of this. Thus to spread their agenda they will be incorrect.
@@Aguijon1982😊👌 Totally agree,however when one tries to engage in a discussion with some of the woke persuasion you'll be surprised to find that there are actually herds of them thinking people like Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates are really nice guys actually willing to sacrifice their own money for wealth distribution and a better world,and that multinational energy giants are genuinely interested in the environment😅
“I’m here to defend the Holocaust” seems even easier to take out of context than the statements you put the Hitler voice on for… Of course I know what you mean, the defence of the fact that the Holocaust happened, but it seems like a really risky way to put it.
I'm not German but I don't think it's a bad thing for a German today to be proud of their country and how far they've come since the days of National Socialism, if a German today is a nationalist but believes in freedom and acknowledges their country's history then I feel like this is definitely a valid and perfectly fine stance to have.
The nazis weren't nationalists though, they were racialists. You could live in germany, and you weren't considered part of the nation unless you were ethnically german. As well, germans in OTHER countries were considered part of the "nation" and the nazis even put out calls to ethnic germans in places like the US to "return to the fatherland". It's hard imo to even argue the national socialists were nationalists, since their ideology went beyond borders and was more important than the nation itself. The nazis cared more about you if you were a german living in a different nation than their own ethnic minority citizens, so I would say they weren't nationalists.
As much as I enjoyed the content and the information, I think the most illuminating aspect of this video is the absolutely cringe worthy (and no, I don't blame you for it), the scary amount of begging and pre-apologizing and disclaimer generating to even have this conversation. It's... absolutely disgusting. It's scary as hell. It's just damning as hell to our society as it stands (does it really stand any longer?) today. We are a fallen, enslaved society or at the very least on the verge of being one, if a historian is forced to go through the preamble you had to demonstrate, complete with doing voices... wow. Anyhow keep doing what you do it is most appreciated and I enjoy your videos and either learn from them or am driven to further investigation or both. But free speech is no longer a right. It's a privilege predicated by the whims of big tech and our governments.
No kidding, this is a damning testiment of our society. I listened to a preamble before a Doris Day movie about how the movie was indicative of the sexism of the 1960's and the movie was only shown as a study of this. In 1720 a distant ancestor distinguished himself in battle and killed a nobleman who led an attempted coup in Lithuania. So I should tell all my family to hate this evil ancestor because he killed people in battle, I guess I should be personally shunned because I killed people in battle as well. I am so tired of revisionism in our society. Unfortunately Orwellian revisionism occurs throughout history, this is compelling proof as to why we need historians like Tik. Cheers from Canada.
Jeez so over-dramatic... We're are "fallen, enslaved society" or close to it because a social media platform has bots that automatically flag content with certain words in it? The internet is not real life and conflating this supposed "censorship" with reality is disingenuous. I don't know where you live but in America at least, Free Speech is still a Right. It's not been taken away and it's the same as it ever was. Just because one private corporation decides they want to get rid of certain content doesn't mean that the government is after you and you aren't guaranteed your First Amendment anymore. The government can't take away your free speech, you can still peaceably assemble and you can go on any myriad of other platforms to publicize your views. Not saying anything you want on a certain website is not enslavement and it's especially ironic how you're saying that on a video of this topic. If what you said was really true then your comment here protesting this would see you banned from TH-cam and arrested.
@@visassess8607 you're too stupid to be helped. Go live out your little life in blissful ignorance, preferably don't breed. Because I support your right to say whatever you want I can only hope you don't have children to say it to.
"Dresden bombing victims": How often are bombing victims stripped naked, shaved bald, and piled up like fire wood? Ted should of questioned his own thoughts early on before publishing.
@@OpalBLeigh Unburied bodies and starving human beings were everywhere. Winter/spring of 1945 was especially harsh in German held areas. Not enough food and typhus spreading around. Most inmates in Bergen Belsen and other Western camps died from it, but disease was not limited to them.
Well if they're burned and piled up perhaps. Think the point is, there are a lot of historical documentaries are made pretty lazily and just source a generic photo or footage of 1 event, and use it to represent the event they're talking about even if it's completely different, so I wouldn't be surprised if this has happened on occasion.
I think the biggest problem is, it is illegal in many places around the world to even have the discussion or play devil's advocate. If it wasn't such a legal problem I think we could get a lot less of this conspiratorial non-sense. Because nothing makes people question things then being unable to talk about something.
@@maxsmith695 I'm guessing because the truth offers less political leverage than "the greatest crime in history". Furthermore, if it was found and publicly revealed that this particular historical event was not what we were led to believe for 80 years, it would have some pretty alarming real world ramifications.
Apparently Rwandan Genocide deniers exist, and that happened on *live television* At this point I’m convinced that there’s no atrocity that some people won’t deny.
Not only jews died. Also wast numbers of People anywere nazis came. More still turned nazis, when they was "arian" enough. Many of them fled to USA UK and hid in europe too
Thank you TIK for informing me and allowing me to discuss topics with national socialists in a way that they believe that I half agree with them, while fervently telling them to drop their socialism because it doesnt work. Also, replying to the commenter at the start: its the nationalism that pointed to the target and the socialism (food shortage resulting from it) that made them pull the trigger. Genocide is always ideology + circumstance. You dont just go from hating to murdering without any reason.
Exactly, this is why I'm not backing down on the Socialism issue, because denying the Socialism is denying the Holocaust. I just wish more people would realize this.
@@TheImperatorKnight to make more people aware of the connection I have stopped saying nazi and say national socialist instead. Sometimes people ask what I mean, and then I say something along the lines of "while marxist socialism is socialism for the worker and against everyone else, national socialism is socialism for the germanic and against everyone else"
@@captnliberty2314 Socialismn is always a dividing factor, first you have the guys that pay for it and second you have the guys that pay the bills. It would only work if the whole globe becomes socialist and i could migrate into any country and live on welfare, which explains its obsession with worlddomination. I would write "national socialism is socialism for the ones with a german passport" as this also included members of the colonies.
Except for the elephant in the room. As soon as they are done with their dominations and they have finished looting all their competitors within reach then their endpoint socialism fails from cannibalizing itself. They aren't that good at math. That is why it is taught from political "theory" (read: hypothesis) because it has no business in science.
Himmler's Possen 1943 speech spells it out quite clearly when he addressed a serious question that must of been important enough issue within the ranks of the SS that it needed to be addressed as it's own bullet point in the speech. The children. Many within the SS seemed to view the children as innocent. Himmler in that speech addressed it as "these children will grow up hating us for what we have done. For this we will forever have to view them with distrust as they will grow up to be our new threat as they may never forgive us." Yes I paraphrased... as I don't remember it word for word, but he basically justified the murder of children providing rationale to other officers within the SS. The fact he brought it up means many had serious issues with what they were doing. Especially toward children. To me the 1943 Possen Speech was proof enough. However, it lets you know that they were still human with human concerns. Yet used horrible logic and inhuman rationale to justify what they were doing. You can understand why many of them became alcohol and drug addicts. It falls back to one of my favorite quotes. "Some of the worst things imaginable happened out of good intentions."
A highly un PC comment: Why all the fuss over the Jewish holocaust when millions of other people have been killed and murdered over the millennia for reasons of race, religion and beliefs? Why don't people get all worked up about the Mongols who killed millions of people in the middle ages? I actually watched a video where a guy stated the Mongols had the greatest empire ever in terms of their scientific, cultural and infrastructure achievements. Imagine someone saying that today about the Nazis.
I think because its much more recent and the way in which it unfolded was so well documented. We know all the major characters and the minor characters. We have photographs and eye witnesses etc. Its much more tangible to people today.
i'd the way the nazi conducted it, mass shooting and gazing, bringing in millions of people to extermination camps, is there any other genocide in history of this magnitude that has been conducted in this style ? The mongols at least didn't target a particular race, and they actually used their genocide as an effective terror weapon
in my country Denmark it has always been legal to be a national socialist. So it has been possibel to discus openly with nazis. There have never been more than a few hundred members of the danish nazi party.
All of the "Action Reinhardt" camps themselves were temporary and ad hoc. Treblinkas first Commondant wasn't very good at the job, that's why some were sent on to Majdinek and the other three. Treblinka actually had to stop "taking shipments" for a couple weeks while Franz Stangle got it in order. All of the "Reinhardt" camps were dismantled by the Germans themselves long before they would've been forced to by advancing Red Army units
Back in the '80s and '90s, I was simultaneously debating Holocaust deniers and NAMBLA in usenet. Their similarities vastly outnumbered their differences.
@@behemothfan1990 Making life miserable for NAMBLA and the National Alliance comes second only to cleaning the 50 yard NRA Conventional Pistol target for me. 😁
You can defend a persons right to free speech while still hating what they say but the more people that try to silence someone the more you need to dig in and defend that right with you last breath.
I don't think we should ostracize Eric Hunt, even if he's still skeptical about some of the details about the Holocaust that we know to be true. The fact that he's pretty much made a 180 shows that he's capable of learning, and is willing to find the truth. So long as he eventually finds the horrible, blood-soaked truth, he's fine by me.
I want to applaud you for making this video. I have known for a while now that holocaust denialist arguments are rampantly spread on the internet and have even seen some of my friends become skeptical of the holocaust. I have for a while now desired to find well-crafted arguments for why many of their conclusions are wrong. I don't like to debate openly about these things since it's clearly accompanied by stigma and a lot of people simply want to silence people being skeptical through force (anti-hate speech laws; Antifa using intimidation etc.). I wrote an article on defusing dangerous thought through free discussion and I wanted to add some of these holocaust denial arguments. The way I wanted to do it is by explaining what made holocaust denials come to their conclusions and tell why it is wrong. I wasn't sure if I should do it because I'm still 21 and I was fearful of the repercussions if my article would've been taken out of context and I'd be punished for the misinterpretation of others while I'm still at arguably the beginning of my life. I'm glad you are doing this because you're doing what I desired to do as well and did it in a way that is more accessible than a student magazine. As long as their wrong conclusions don't get contested in intellectual debate they will freely spread on what is arguably "the black market" of intellectual thought. Thank you very much Tik, you're definitely one of the best channels on this platform.
It is a right, and even a duty, to decide to affirm that which you understand is worthy of affirmation, to deny that which you understand is deserving of denial, in proper proportion and to make new decisions upon new information
If I stuck to facts I would have done better in order to reach people. Uncovering the film The Last Days’s hoax as well as Wiesel’s poetic embellishment presented as reality in school warped my mind hurt my mental health.
What is there to forgive? It was his life and his reputation. Looks like inteligent person that was just missguided maybe still is but aren't we all in some way on whatever topic. Just idiots don't change their opinions if evidence shows that they are worng. We all live in our personal and social bubbles and to go out and question the narrative takes courage. Great video as always. Keep up the great work. P.S. I am curious if YT will ban this video.
@@VaBe_SvK "Dude you are 2 years late :D Sorry, but I'm not watching a nearly 2-hour video again to react to your comment." That's my point. No one who first doubted the topic is going to watch 2 hours and change their mind. What they need is just 3 minutes showing the objective evidence it happened. Nothing more, nothing less.
How dare someone have a different view or use free-speech? They should be put in jail for thinking differently, and expressing different ideas. This is ridiculous
Hey TIK, can I recommend you read _Ordinary Men_ by Christopher Browning? It talks a lot about Reserve Police Battalion 101, and how regular German policemen ended up participating in the mass murders.
Thanks for the recommendation! I've had it on my reading list for a while, so I do intend to get it at some point. I'm more confident about the usefulness of the source after your comment though
@@TheImperatorKnight Jordan Peterson has cited _Ordinary Men_ as an example of regular people being forced to conform to demands of tyrannical authority.
I recently bought a copy when it was brought up here, although I've been aware of it for a very long time. I need to get through a couple of Glantz books and a book on the Japanese Special Naval Landing Forces before I get to it.
@@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874 Of course some people have to be forced harder than others. Not much force was required by the Germans, Japanese OR Soviets.
@@saampam894 " Or casual historian, who has done a documentary on the history of holocaust denial " Documentaries, hah. Joel Hayward wrote the paper on the history of holocaust denial and he concluded they were right. It was his Masters thesis.
How do they explain things like the Babi Yar massacre and only four months later the Wannsee conference? Leaving aside the evidence, if they are saying the later industrialised murder is too implausible why can't they see the steps which laid the foundations? Also how do they explain the Warsaw Ghetto uprising in 1943? If a captive and weakened group of people thought nothing final was about to happen to them, why would they put so much effort into preparation and resistance? I could go on eg. the concerted effort to get rid of evidence of the operation reinhard camps after 1943 c/o blobel. Their narrative just doesn't stack up against the overall sequence of events.
TIK's solution to this is that denying the holocaust is denying Hitler's Socialism which all the Marxist historians don't want to do. I don't think this is plausible.
A real Nazi would never deny the Holocaust, because the real ones are proud of it. When the Dutch right wing fascist sympathizer Willem Sassen interviewed Adolf Eichmann in Argentina, he was shocked when Eichmann very openly spoke about the Holocaust. Sassen has spent years to deny the Holocaust in different publications or tried to argument for much lower numbers and thought Eichmann would give him some useful information to help him with his political agenda. This shock only shows how naive Willem Sassen was. These interviews were recorded on tape and parts of these famous "Sassen protocols" can be found even on TH-cam. The same is true for communists and the GULag. The naive left wing sympathizers of Marxist ideas don't want to talk about the GULag and the Purges and the Holodomor and try to downplay the cruelties in the Soviet Union (or in Mao's China), or to find all kind of excuses (difficult measures were necessary in difficult times, etc.). The real bolsheviks would not lie about it, they would be proud for what they have done. They would say it was necessary. If you want to get rid of the Kulak farmers or the urban bourgeoisie in order to erect the dictatorship of the proletariate, you have to kill them. The naive sympathizers of the far left or the far right don't want to admit that the political idea itself is flawed, they say only the measures taken were bad, but the idea is good. No, the idea was bad from the very beginning.
Reminds me of the Starship Troopers theory of political systems: namely, that the one true yardstick for such a system is whether or not it is reasonably able to function. Communism, Nazism, and fascism are alike in that they tend to not succeed, ergo they are not functioning systems and should be discarded.
The guy from Poland who was not let into UK lately, Mr Rafal Ziemkiewicz, was very wrongly accused of being a denier and this fake news spread very fast very widely. It's prudent to dispell any misunderstandings one is not a denier, indeed.
Curious indeed why Holocaust Deniers choose this as a "hill to die on". Sure, the exact number who died in the camps cannot be determined but as TIK says, we don't even know how many men were in each military unit. It was a very chaotic time. The facts are undeniable the Holocaust did occur. My uncle who was over there, when he returned from the war, spent the rest of his life chain-smoking his life away, hardly leaving the house. It messed him up for the rest of his life seeing stuff like that, just a simple farm boy being in real-life HellRaiser movie. TIK did a good job on this delicate matter that could get him banned right away, and not give his enemies ammunition to use against him. TIK has enemies because he has shown what the socialists in the British parliament and US government are: tyrannical fascists who itch for the day to be their own version of Hitler or Stalin. Evil socialists in the Labour Party don't want other people to see them for what they really are until they have enough political power to make you disappear, you, and anyone else who disagrees with them.
i may love your channel for the countless hours of history-content it provides, but the reason according to me you reach a level most content creators cant dream of is your ability to always be as objective as you can and keep emotion out of the analysis. keep up the good work and love from Sweden!
I really like how TIK doesn't presume to know others ideological convictions. Like where he says Hunt was a Nazi, witch is not a unreasonable conclusion, but since he really doesn't know is he or not, he corrects him self and says holocaust denier. I m not saying someone has to admit to being nazi or communist before you can make that assumption, but is is so refreshing to see this kind of thing in the modern days, since now days everyone is a nazi or a communist or usually they are both, since they really are neither.
People use that word very lightly. Perhaps the nazbols had some power after WW2, but the actual anti-semites were not in leadership positions. If Trump was a supporter of the German party, his presidency was a greater victory than the Battle of Dunkirk. Also, shows that they were pioneers in human rights, which is not true.
Very ood point about the Nazis doing things AD hoc. They started with Einsatzgruppen with open pit shootings. Next were Gas Van's,(Himmler was a bit squeamish at the shootings). And finally the camps.
There was also the Wannsee Conference in January 1942 where Heydrich, Eichmann and other SS officers planned the "Endlösung" in detail. But this was years after the mobile killing groups had killed over 1 million jews already. The killing of jews started right after the invasion of Poland in 1939.
@@untruelie2640 They did not kill nowhere near 1 million before 1942. It was more like 100 000, max 200 000. Biggest massacre was at Babi Yar, less than 35 000.
god it's so annoying trying to add comments about this issue, they always get immediately filtered. this comment section is basically useless for discussing the content of the video.
TIK i would agree with you on the "oh well humans make mistakes, lets forget it" narrative IF they didn't put you in jail for simply asking these questions in many many countries. in light of the disproportionately severe punishments and the everchanging numbers and whatnot, i can't help but think they deliberately overexaggerated whatever really happened.
For sure there was, and still is, exageration regarding Holocaust nareative. Plenty of documentaries still put Dachau as a death camp. However saying that people receive harsh punishment for questioning the Holocaust is also an exageration. Cases of people receiving prison sentence for it are pretty rare.
Tbh i agree with the possibility of a conspiracy of a group elite j*ws. (so not every single individual of that religious/ethnic group). The problem is that many people who have that same believe also believe that Chaplin i mean Hitler was the ultimate good guy trying to save the world. Trying to cherry pick the good deeds and completely ignoring the bad. That’s where they usually lose me.
Thanks so much for putting those David Irving snippets in your video. I watched that years ago when it was on TH-cam (it's now been taken down). Once I'd checked out a photographic copy of the original German Korherr report, along with more reading around Operation Reinhardt I've been conformable debating denialists without fear of losing.
Are denialists your enemies that you have to beat them in a debate? Why do you have to win a debate instead of coming to the truth together, hmm perhaps because you're protecting a lie. Also what makes you think that the korherr report is real?
My dad was in the British Royal Artillery in ww2, fought on D Day, battle of Normandy, nijmegen bridge, battle of the bulge, across into Germany and down through Germany, on the way LIBERATING BELSEN. It was awful he barely ever talked of it.
Problem is, despite his recanting, Eric's videos do leave people with questions. Well, me at least. There are problems with the narrative we are taught in school
It’s strange how there is great reverence for the fact that this is a huge graveyard but Carol had no problem digging up Christian remains - does that suggest that Christian remains are less important??
A guy that goes to jail for his beliefs would have all the reasons in the world to say he changed his mind, what he actually thinks doesn't necessarily have to be the same thing, a sudden change of heart be it Hunt, Irving or Weber is always suspicious but if they have proper documentation to validate their new position one would have to agree with them but if they don't give a good explanation to explain themselves then one has to entertain other possibilities, threats, being tired to fight, financial motivations, whatever, in other words, I wouldn't give them credit until I know their reasons, just a precautionary measure.
@@Eric-h6y2f Depends on your behavior, if you go in there like you weigh 300 pounds, treat them like microbes, start breaking the china and ask the same old questions instead of taking 5 minutes to search their site, there is indeed a good chance they might have better things to do. One thing is sure, calling them deniers when they see themselves as researchers with a healthy dose of skepticism and calling their work, passion or hobby a cult, as you just did, is the best way to get yourself kicked out the door no questions asked.
Ethnic Russians were 42% of the Bolshevik leadership and 44% of the Empire's population Jews were 14% of the Bolshevik leadership and 4% of the Empire's population South Caucasians (Stalin) were 10% of the Bolshevik leadership and 2% of the Empire's population Latvians were 6% of the Bolshevik leadership and 1% of the Empire's population Germans were 2% of the Bolshevik leadership and 1% of the Empire's population (Source: The Bolsheviks and the Russian Empire , Cambridge University Press, 2012)
Jews were not the majority of the Bolshevik leadership and the largest group was, by far, the ethnic Russian. Jews were not the most over-represented group in the Bolshevik leadership. First were the Latvians followed by the South Caucasians. Several minorities were seduced by the Bolshevik ideal -at least some of their members-: Jews, South Caucasians, Latvians, Germans, etc...
Sorry the video was late! Had a few rendering and uploading issues. I have decided to include the links in the description, so we'll see how that goes... The video isn't monetized for obvious reasons.
damnit TIK i was hoping for something like "genocide wasn't a crime in 1939 but was in 1945" which is the case.
people love to talk about the Armenians who got thrown under the bus as if it's evidence of other than the fact it wasn't a crime prior to 1945.
Eric Hunt rhymes with Mike Hunt, say it aloud for the lol...
Non-monetization isn't merely "let's not fund secret nazis" but also "let's try to get funds to the victims" (most all of whom are dead by now) but above all "how can google avoid paying out while convincing others it pays out" I don't know of any other video service which pays you to upload, it's economic competition as well as political factors. Doesn't mean it's right just explaining the objective facts.
Do you really expect to have any videos monetize at this point
Marx was Jewish
His parents were converts
He thought capitalism screwed up Judaism not there was something wrong with being Jewish.
Please don't talk about economics any more. It's nonsense.
Don't let it happen again TIK ! 😉
“I’m here to defend the Holocaust” might not be the best choice of words, lol
@Fascist Persia hmm
I agree, at first I thought he was going to talk about someone else going from "didn't happen" to "I'm glad it happened" when I glanced at the title
That verbiage was to cater to TH-cam plain and simple… or else be removed and a Patreon existence. Not sure how that was misread in anyway
@@Wankerstew lol, "defend the holocaust," sounds like he will attempt to defend the rationale behind the holocaust and the motives of those who perpetrated it.
@@henrylinky6767 look if you’ve watched the guy from the beginning you already know where he stands and what’s implied… but verbatim in his words, I get where you and others are coming from.
As a Jew, if this video is demonetized or censored for discussing the Holocaust, I would be outraged. Avoidance and suppression are not better than denial.
Hahah you don't have foreskin
@@algiz21 wow reminds me why the internet sucks...hope you're parents are happy
@@PershingOfficial cry
Religion is the only belief that can be chosen to accept by unquestionable faith.
Only those with subversive motivations use propaganda to demand their narrative as unquestionable.
@Pershing I dont think you should take it that way, its literally the least offensive joke he coulda made the second the dude said he was jewish.
The truth fears no investigation.
And a critical investigation of the Holocaust narrative will show that all available evidence (documentary evidence, eyewitness testimonies, physical evidence, etc.) supports the idea that Jews were mass gassed and cremated at the sites of Auschwitz, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, and Chelmno.
It depends on who is conducting the investigation. The truth should be very afraid at a Stalinist show trial, and the investigations that precede it.
It’s been investigated over and over again and everytime the denialists turn out to be wrong
@@gew1898he said the truth not corruption.
@@gew1898then let them
I 100% agree with you on the fact that poorly done History Documentaries do more damage than good. I've seen some horrible WW2 documentaries on Smithsonian Channel that are so inaccurate as to be misleading.
Yeah all of the historical documentaries I watched as a kid are all smashed to pieces by TIk honestly. They all ignore economics.. politics and getting inside the heads of the people of the time.
The left rewrites history.. twisted it ..they have control over education
@@zacharypayne4080 Here in Brazil, we were taught to believe our president and dictator at the time of the war Getúlio Vargas was a facist, in fact he was a pretty hardcore socialist who knew how to keep the facists in place by deporting Jews and Communists to Germany.
@Clinton Reisig "Refused to flee" is the dumbest phrase I've heard in years.
oh man i see you everywhere, ASMR will never fail to catch up on me lol
This was about as even-handed, level-headed, fair and respectful as you could expect given the subject matter.
1:43:00 The real nazis are the ones pushing for gender and race equality, very level headed and even handed and *farting noises*
@@giveussomevodka Did you wake up stupid today or are you always like this?
@Kilian Klaiber It may not be a good argument but its an accurate adjective.
Talpiot program needs to be understood by everyone
Reviewed history can only be mentioned it seems if its back to front above comment cannot be posted correctly
I kind of know what he went through. In my second year in the U.S., my English 102 professor encouraged me to dig into what happened in Tibet from 1949 to 1959 for my final project. That was the first time I researched and read through everything both sides had documented about that time. I came to realize both sides had added, deleted, exaggerated, or downplayed events to better fit their narratives. But at the same time, through comparisons, I was able to draw a rough picture of what happened during that 10 years. For me, it was a very confusing time. Imagine being 19 years old and all of a sudden finding out what I knew for the past 19 years may not necessarily be true. It took me another two years and numerous readings/classes to finally pull it through. It is interesting out of all the classes I took in undergrad, it was a couple politics, history, and one English writing class that really shaped who I was as a person.
You learned it at birth? Impressive
What was your conclusion of what happened?
@@jonathanswifter2807 Essentially, China tried to annex them by destroying the core of their principals. It's the entire reason why this Dalai Lama is the last one - it's part of their attempt to wipe out their cultural identity and impose their own.
CIA version?
you went to an american college to really shape who you are as a person? i'll pray for you.
This is why I despise censorship. It doesn't stop people from spreading wrong information, it just makes them believe their information is all the more important and correct.
When there isn't censorship, you can discuss and disprove these ideas and clear things up.
Granted that can only be done if both sides sit down to talk but still, that can't happen if you censor people from talking about it.
My thoughts exactly. Just like every other government program, censorship only makes the problem worse, not better.
@@TheImperatorKnight yeah... You're doing vital work collecting and discussing all this information. As someone who majored in history, thank you. Seriously.
So you're happy for a child to be shown programmes that will give them nightmares? Censorship prevents that.
@@neiloflongbeck5705 The REAL nightmares come when these things are repeated because nobody knew they happened previously. Hiding evil from children only makes it more likely for them to ignore or even embrace it. Imposed ignorance is the very essence of child abuse.
@@neiloflongbeck5705 I think I would prefer my kid get nightmares because of the truth than live blissfully unaware of reality because of propaganda.
Sad that Verbal gymnastics/voices have to be done to protect yourself...But looking forward to listening to all.
This is why I'm for free speech. Yes, it means that the Nazis get a voice, but it also means non-Nazis get a voice too, which will allow the side with the overwhelming evidence too prevail.
@@TheImperatorKnight The best part is that the Nazis' own voice condemns them. Let them speak in the open and be humiliated by their own dishonesty.
But, expecting Marxists to not be lying bastards is like expecting the French to not be public urinators.
Verbal gymnastics, such as those at Nurnburg circa 1945-9
@@thefrenchareharlequins2743 Marxists, Nazis, Islamists, neo-Confederates are all fundamentally the same, lying grifters preying on the ignorant.
This video is a masterclass in exemplary behavior in the free marketplace of ideas. Depicted here is the optimal way to interact with people who we disagree with; the principle of charitable interpretation, the patience to hear and comprehend fully the position of the other and most importantly the use of stern, honest criticism without resorting to insult and mockery. Very commendable and inspirational conduct indeed.
indeed! this should be used as examples in schools or maybe even taught. it is becoming increasingly clear that people don't know how to debate other people they disagree with.
“We” wtf did u not hear tik about individuals. That’s why tik is wrong about the effects of Holocaust on kids.
Agreed, but it could have been presented in a tighter manner. A bit hard to follow.
A marketplace so free that he has to read in an outlandish voice in order to avoid censorship 🙄👍
You actually get put in prison for questioning certain details about the H in most European countries, including some Eastern European countries like Russia, I believe. They put like an 80 year old grandmother in prison for asking questions about the H in Europe. They have no mercy. I'm pretty sure she died in prison. That doesn't make for a good debate tactic. It actually makes you think that they're afraid of debating the history and details that we're all taught about. Maybe because a lot of the details of it have been factually debunked... Btw, it's Mandatory for all schools to teach about this certain, horrible situation. At the same time ignoring way worse incidents that happened around the same time... not to mention the fact that they make a couple movies about it every year. The truth doesn't fear the light.
Edit: I'm going to repost this because I doubt anyone will see this in this thread.
TIKs enemies: "Here, this is him saying it! He had a bad cough, which is why he sounds strange but it is him saying it!"
Aye! He put on a pirate's voice, but it's really him, me mateys!
Now I'm waiting for a video that poorly edits Tik into sounding like a dictator
Can't wait for the inevitable TTS neural network so that tankies can start making TIK say "sussy baka" for demoralization tactics
@@TheImperatorKnight The Pirates who defied the Nazis sounds like the kind of video Mark Felton would find out and make
I thought this was a good reason for the hitler voice. But he didn’t actually refute some of the strongest points Hunt made.
Even if it's late, I'm sure this is worth it.
I hope so, but I'm personally never happy with unscripted videos, so I'm kicking myself because it's both late and it's unscripted
@@TheImperatorKnight It's never too late to embarass Nazis and Stalinists.
@@romansternberg5696 How long have you been adding Stalinists to your folks to hate list?
@@DaveSCameron Forty years, give or take, after I read "The Gulag Archiplelago", "In the Time of Stalin", and "Stalin's Secret War".
@@romansternberg5696 I've clearly missed your posts as it's just anti nasi that's in vogue
One last comment on this. We are not in any position to "forgive" him. There is nothing to forgive. All political viewpoints should be allowed. Even if we disagree with the revisionists, it is a shame that people have been imprisoned for where they fall on what used to be the political SPECTRUM. Unironically calling something "politically incorrect" in a democracy is way worse than radically revising/denying history in my opinion.
WE fought a world war to beat fascism and yet we deny freedom of speech and expression. If truth is on your side no counter argument should be feared.
When people are denying the holocaust, what they are really saying is, they wish it happened.
@@MrWoodii Its still freedom of speech. what are you scared of?
Your opening statements are a truly revealing and a honest indictment of the political correct climate that prevails today. That being said thank you very much for having the courage to tackle this extremely sensitive and difficult subject. My granddad was a holocaust survivor and I can honestly say that I 100% support the freedom to ask any questions about any subjects even the most painful ones. Censureship and dogma hurts the truth much more then the deniers do. It only feeds their feeble arguments. So thank you TIK for taking this subject on.
It's about advertisers. You can call that censorship if you'd like but it's really not. Coca cola doesn't want the bad press of having their ads on videos featuring nazi's. The algorithm can't tell the difference so it acts on the safe side. This isn't some social crusade. It's capitalism.
@@MrDWinpenny it's censorship. It's more than TH-cam. You know that very well
@@MrDWinpenny" let's pretend there's no such thing as censorship from google"
Just saying. No private corporation has any obligation to platform any argument. Censorship, free speech, freedom of expression legislation is generally (though not exclusively) there to prevent government from muzzling its citizens. It's often lazy, inaccurate or purposely disingenuous when these words are cited in other contexts.
You’re right on the money, G. I’m sorry for your grandfathers experience, but your viewpoint is spot on. We will repeat the past if we keep repeating the same mistakes.
“Dear TH-cam censors I am here to defend the holocaust “-TIK
lmfao
check the community page, they admit most of it since the pandemic is conducted by Censor bots, not humans.
Yeah yeah, very funny, you know what I meant
@@TheImperatorKnight Love your vids and your work, but dam you goofed up a little.
”British nazi/war-TH-camr defends holocaust, attacks documentary film maker visiting death camps!” -BBC
It will allways concern me that its a crime in multiple countries if a person doesn't agree about an event in history.
I imagine you are referring to Westen democracies...one has the right to espouse whatever beliefs one could care to have, in the private sphere
@kenon6968 "the private sphere " Jesus christ what is the infered difference with everyone else then?
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.
@@ladislavjonas977Where is it against the law to criticize ?
@@ladislavjonas977 I guess we're ruled over by down syndromes then.
I agree that open, honest exchange of ideas is critical for understanding history. Censorship is very corrosive to society.
I think they should use banned for childen insided rather than censore or opt in to sensor on the user end. would work much better.
Holocaust stories and records must be open to all people, schools, universities, public forums etc..., without fear of censorship, legal/crminal charges, descrimation and or racist bias or hatred. The open, independent study of WW2 historical TRUTH is most important for all of us.
"History youtuber's patrons are overt holocaust deniers" - every news outlet in 5 min.
It wouldn't surprise me at this point. The lamestream media can't be truthful if they tried
Carthago delenda est
If that is said, then you should have no problem substantiating it.
Many of them are... Anonymous cowards like the platform... it is one of the most disgraceful aspects of our age that social media encourages weaklings to post vile opinions they are too cowardly to share under their own names... That is a fact. Joey Tranchina
@@TheImperatorKnight what does this media malaise do to actual history?
The problem with nearly all conspiracy theories is they're based on the idea that if you can prove or cast doubt on the accuracy of one part of the official story, the whole thing comes down and then you can put forward a different story (often with zero proof of this alternative). The best argument/analogy against this technique I heard is that if I have a 1,000 piece jigsaw and I've got 950 pieces in the right place, but missing/put the last 50 pieces in the wrong place, I can still tell it's a picture of the Eiffel Tower and you pointing out these 50 wrong pieces doesn't mean you get to claim it's actually a jigsaw of Niagra Falls
TIK: Look, I'm going to do the funny moustache man's voice so people don't take me out of context.
Also TIK: “Dear TH-cam censors I am here to defend the holocaust."
You know what I meant!
Took me a while to realise why that is a bad sentence
@@Dhjaru It was just the wording that was god-awful
Defending the holocaust can you see some irony in your need?
@@TheImperatorKnight I took it exactly as you ment it. Had to study the statement to figure out how to take it wrong
For me the fact that he needed to spend the whole intro saying he's not a Nazi is a greater tragedy than anything we could say about the Holocaust. That genocied is over and the Jews it killed dead and gone. However, censorship, fear of being canceled, excessive corporate power permitting it to manipulate what people can say....these are all alive and well. And they shouldnt exist. I dont care how good a reason you have, i dont care what cause you serve and i sure as hell dont care what your definition of "responsiblity" is. No man should be this scared of saying what he thinks or needing to take this many precautions.
This is one of the reasons why I started to question things many decades ago as the outright demonization of Notsee's, 1930's/40's Germany and its people, bombing of Dresden, etc etc etc. while the same fervor to also blame the Communists and Soviet Union for much worse atrocities was absent.
The Demonization of the National Socialists of Germany has always been about Right/Left politics. It has put right wing Nationalists and racialists always on defense. Even Conservatives play into their narrative and it has become very destructive for the West.
The fact he dose that and then pretends that nobodys trying to force you to believe lamp shades soap fertilizer fake multibillion dollar industry. A industry invented by Russian communist (gods chosen people) why cuz Austrian painter paints a clear picture how rhe commie/Zionist work together thesis antithesis
'I don't drink beer' horror revulsion, reaches for unsubscribe 'I drink ale'; smiles at a kindred spirit, alls good in the world.
Missed the ales good in the world pun
@@Enward834 That's a good one, I'll remember that to use spontaneously later.
Whats the difference?
@@kekecnakvadrat Beer can refer to a family of drinks that include ales, ales use a top fermenting yeast. Beer can also refer to lagers which use a yeast with larger cells that sit at the bottom, bottom fermented. Beers have a wide range of flavors. In my opinion 'live' ale is best, there is something lost in bottling or canning.
@@billbolton So what makes beer so revolting? ALL beer is revolting? Not ragging on you, just curious why you hate it.
I always wondered why TIK makes that fake voice, now it makes perfect sense.
I mean he could just use an automated voice and save himself the bother but fair enough
@@Cyprian96 meh, no. That wouldn't have the theatrical aspect to it. I kind of enjoy that. Beside imagine Alexa voice quoting Hitler. That would scare the hell out of me :)
Most automatic voice are awful
@Tomas Valent it would be funny as hell.
Hire a voice actor, spend all of twenty quid
"I'm here to defend the Holocaust"
I think you could have chosen your words better there.
I tgink he chose his words exactly how he wanted them to be heard.
At first I thought "defending the Holocaust" meant believing that it did happen, but insisting that it was a good thing
Phrasing is important.
It was because the Germans were afraid of Communists and were taken in by the stabbed in the back myth of WW1 and using the Hebrews as a scapegoat for the defeat.
(to be fair to the Germans the US did experience a Red scare where Racial tension between Blacks and Whites exploded but not on the level of Germany doing it to the Hebrews.)
David Cole, writing as David Stein, disputed a portion of the Holocaust and knocked the number down to 4 million. He got violent death threats from the Jewish Defense League, and from Nazis calling him a shill.
What this number brings to mind is that when we talked about figures for the forced famines in the USSR and in China, estimates vary by tens of millions, especially trying to separate natural deaths from deaths caused by government action such as seizing all the food.
The "Six Million" were never Hungarians, Lithuanians, or French but have always been only a totemic pole of a "number" since the 19th century.
I think that's more because neither the USSR or China crashed and burned so soon after their atrocities like the Nazis did. Keep in mind we only got access to the Soviet archives 50 years after the fact, and we hardly have any access to the Chinese archives at all.
And why did that number start in newspapers already beginning from 1915?
@@doctorbobcat7123 'Crashed and burned'? Germany was systematically destroyed from the outside. There's a reason Berliners fought to the death, and it wasn't love for a dead politician
six million open gates@@Aivottaja
I think the tactics of calling people “deniers” when they are just skeptical on some points is dishonest. I also think the supply of true denighers will continue to grow because of the authoritarian hand at preventing this one element of history. That alone can be perceived as “something to hide”.
Thats the one thing that irked me on this video
The Streisand Effect.
Being disallowed from questioning something certainly makes you want to question it further.
Kind of like an academic or epistemological version of pop culture's "Streisand Effect"? In market theory they call that "perverse incentive". It's supposed to balance out so called "rational expectation". But for me, the latter might as well be "normalcy bias".
I remember, back in the seventies, a guy at work who was with an armored division telling about what it was like when he entered a concentration Camp. He said that he cursed the day, because of what he saw, and his life would never be the same. This guy was a real hard nut and the other guys were pretty intimidated by him. By and large they would not talk about it, another English guy I knew who before the war was a Black Shirt, told me that what Hitler did was wrong, he still hated Jews, but he had seen with his own eyes the suffering. Practically everybody was a little batty back then after the war. Anyway good show for sticking your neck out.
its still not a pleasant trip to one even though the remaining ones are just museums.
What lager?
Neo nazis do tend to forget that even anti Semites of the day were disgusted by Hitler's actions. There was no excuse
@@DaveSCameron ?
@@destubae3271 In 1966 the world cup winning year, there was practically no nationalism on display, and you would have been told off if you expressed the victory that way, Franz Beccanbar the German captain was a regular guest on one of the three TV channels. What I am trying to say is that I think people had a better take on national pride than today.
I've watched most of Eric Hunts videos. I still remember how the community that backed him turned on him like a pack of wolves when he changed his tune.
I couldn't find the other ones, but yes, I do think find it funny how they quickly abandoned him. It reminds me of all my old socialist viewers who abandoned me when I left the faith, and now I'm the devil.
@@TheImperatorKnight His blog was filled with anger. Some of his financial backers even threatened to sue him. Rather than respecting his decision to leave the debate. According to Eric the evidence that Birkenau was an Internal Sleep Camp was Irrefutable and so he just couldn't make videos on the subject anymore. That is all I remember why he quit. There could be more personal reasons but... I'm not even sure his blog is around anymore.
It really takes a cultist mindset to go from embracing someone as a 'truth seeker' to ostracizing them for supposedly selling out because the truth they found does not support your belief anymore.
Are you surprised, Eric clearly has some illness but history has shown us that the messenger is just that, eg, Jesus *
@@cdcdrr It's why David Cole quit even after he came out of hiding. He critized the HD community for refusing to admit when they're wrong, and being unable to find evidence to support some of their claims.
As a Jew I have always wondered about the math of cremation. Even today it takes 4 0plus hrs to com0lete and then there’s still skeleton left. THIS IS “the ashes” one recieves after cremation. I don’t see enough time. Then there’s how does one fit 200,000 bodies in large pits? Do people not realise how deep they’d have to dig? We did in the USA (Yankees) buried confederate dead in trenches at up to 10,000 and they are LONG. my fear has always been that these camps are still cemeteries and loved ones are still there. We need to know for sure. Maybe it no longer matters. My guess is the numbers are slightly inflated and they used burn pits over crematories and trenches to bury their victims. We KNOW the Allie’s did this when they freed camps due to the amount of dead as we have pictures and testimony. We should always strive for truth and not forgot ALL those murdered. May HaShem bless their souls….
dont forget that the ovens were 1920s coal fired technology that had to shut down and serviced regularly,,even todays gas powered computer controlled ones take an hour....also why no mention of bone crushing machines?..u have my respect for questioning this but if i were u i would keep my mouth shut about it when around fellowJ
@@WillyEckaslike What do you know about refractory bricks?
@@WillyEckaslike How many bodies can be cremated until you have to change them out?
@@dpjbdpjb i am not going into detail here but it has been calculated that they would still be at it in the 70s if it weretruu
@@WillyEckaslike 2000 on modern units
You live up to your motto: History lies at the heart of the debate.
But is this really the case?
@@Ueiksgyeah it is. Palpably. The dishonesty is revolting.
WW2 "history" is filled with lies, omittances and false speculative conclusions.
Me I do not deny the Holocaust, nevertheless I am deeply troubled by the fact that a 92 year old lady sits in prison for denying the Holocaust. Since when do words speak louder than deeds?
shes there for the 2nd time and is the oldest femaale prisoner in the world...bearing in mind that she has done nothing but have an opinion about a historical event tells u everything u need to know
immigrant rap*sts are given parole in Germany while they have imprisoned 92 yr old Ursula Haverback for questioning a number given by historians that has been revised by the historical community themselves more than a half dozen times!
They have locked up the music artist 'Mr Bond' with a 10 year sentence for MAKING PARODY SONGS with lyrics which question said historical events.
Its a sad state for many Europeans. Locked away in their own nations for speaking the truth while foreigners rape and pillage their lands with zero consequence.
While i don’t at all agree with denialists, I find it welcoming that there are people who challenge the accepted narratives in society.
lol, it’s funny because you’re not trying to be funny
"people who challenge the accepted narratives in society"
LMAO, "challenge" with what exactly? A "challenge" without a working knowledge of academic process is not a challenge, it's ignorance and arrogance.
I live in Eastern Poland.
Majdanek camp is actually partially preserved. My great grandfather had been there for few months.
Belzec camp was completely destroyed true, however now it hosts a quite spectacular monument and a small museum.
Both are worth visiting is you have a stomach for such sobering experience.
Angielski znasz i nie znasz prawdy..!?!
I think we're all forgetting the craziest part of this story. How so many Jews were able to escape the death camps and how no one remembers the corpses turning red from Zyklon-B. Crazy!
"All governments are bad."
I knew there was a reason I love your content!
It is stupid quasi if not outright anarchism.
All governments may be bad but government is necessary
@@BERNTRR The definition of a necessary evil
@@codieomeallain6635 Any large institution inevitably becomes too inefficient, hierarchical and self serving. Quit pretending there's something wrong or dumb about acknowledging this. When did you first lick a boot and think, "This tastes good"?
@@BERNTRR Absolutely.
Hell if you think about it.
At its most basic level, government is just an over glorified and highly complicated protection racket.
The moment the Third Reich deprived an individual, Jewish or not, from his private property and/or freedom, the Third Reich committed a crime. It was also responsible and accountable for the well being of every individual deported. Whether those individuals died of disease or hunger, because the Allies cut the food provision lines --as deniers claim--does not exonerate the Third Reich from responsibility.
Having said that, I do think the Allies were not held accountable for atrocities they committed. However, that does not exonerate the Third Reich.
I'm so happy you're are devoting time to combating Holocaust denial. It needs to be said. Thank you TIK. Carry on the good fight
I would concentrate on it more, but I'm being pulled in every direction at the minute. Stalingrad, tanks, banks, madman, Halder...
@@TheImperatorKnight As the cop in "Die Hard" says, "Welcome to the party pal!" 😊 I and others were humiliating the short bus followers of William Pierce and Willis Carto in usenet back in the '80s and '90s. Good job, keep it up.
Europa the last Battle, have a look
does it, just like almost every other topic he covers either you'll take what he says into consideration or you wont. I'm not a denier myself but someone who's come to realize that people don't change their stripes often on this topic. One could even argue some of the legal cases were won because a person cant prove their telling the truth more then a person proving the other is lying. This topic should be a simple one to believe but its not. I only bring up the legal cases because their relevant to people not believing.
Im not a denier but you cant rly cremate bodies in an open pit. You can burn the bodies to rid of disease but will have to bury the charred bodies it wont turn them to ash.
I've never seen a good breakdown of holocaust deaths.
What numbers can be attributed to intentional slaughter, harsh conditions, capital punishment, logistical issues and disease?
It's probably been impossible to work out since 1945 but I still think it somewhat matters.
You would be gaoled for even asking this question in many European countries! *
That would be interesting.
I tried to reply to u but it takes susan 18 sec to delete my comment with basic msg that starvation was high. Ahh censorship at its best
I think they are all tied up together hard to seperate .
Starve people and they succumb to disease. To quibble over exact causes may seem like an attempt to exculpate guilty parties.
I have to say that I used to be a Holocaust denier myself, precisely BECAUSE Holocaust denial is being punished by the law. Basically, the logic is, people in power hate the truth the most (which is true), and so if they have to BAN something, then said something must be true, right?
Second reason was that, well, Holocaust never really made sense to me - until, that is, I watched your videos on Hitler's socialism. That is what finally convinced me that yes, Holocaust did happen.
Thank you for that.
EDIT: Also, the Left definitely does equate Germans with Nazis, and in fact equates white people with Nazis. Hence the Holocaust denialism - it is a defensive response to "you are evil for having been born".
Nazis right wing.
@@vaughnreedjr6592 Look at what they actually did and wrote. If Nazis are right wing, then so are Soviet Communists.
I used to believe that anyone who denies the holocaust does so because he wants to exonerate Nazism in order to make it _hoffaehig_ again, and secretely believes that it actually happened and _unfortunately_ (in his opinion) failed.
Until now, when I read your comment. A holocaust denier of the type described above wouldn't ever change his mind but only wouldn't deny it too openly in order to avoid prosecution.
@@domobran7They're very wrong in that because national-socialism is a third way ideology and not right wing. But it's simpler to say right wing than third way because seems like no one is aware of this. Thus to spread their agenda they will be incorrect.
In the Hitler's socialism video what made you think that the all so sacred holocaust happened?
The irony of complaining about the oppressive State and marxism and then getting censored and demonetized by a private company.
indeed, perhaps strong benevolent states are infact needed to preserve liberty.
@@AFGuidesHD
Don't say that to a capitalist liberal, you will be accused of socialist and demonic haha
@Pantsmonster
Any structure of power, including private companies, can screw you.
Which is something that some anti marxists cant understand lol
@@Aguijon1982😊👌 Totally agree,however when one tries to engage in a discussion with some of the woke persuasion you'll be surprised to find that there are actually herds of them thinking people like Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates are really nice guys actually willing to sacrifice their own money for wealth distribution and a better world,and that multinational energy giants are genuinely interested in the environment😅
Google is not a private company, it is owned by cabal that Hitler warned you about :P
"I'm here to defend the Holocaust!"
He used to be such a nice boy...
Too much Susan's censorship...
“I’m here to defend the Holocaust” seems even easier to take out of context than the statements you put the Hitler voice on for… Of course I know what you mean, the defence of the fact that the Holocaust happened, but it seems like a really risky way to put it.
What a cute tank
"I'm here to defend the Holocaust, not deny it" based
I'm not German but I don't think it's a bad thing for a German today to be proud of their country and how far they've come since the days of National Socialism, if a German today is a nationalist but believes in freedom and acknowledges their country's history then I feel like this is definitely a valid and perfectly fine stance to have.
o/
Can't be proud of 2023 Germany unfortunately. The last ~10 years sent us down the gutter.
They tried so hard, and got so faaaaaar.....but in the end it doesn't even matter :^).
The nazis weren't nationalists though, they were racialists. You could live in germany, and you weren't considered part of the nation unless you were ethnically german. As well, germans in OTHER countries were considered part of the "nation" and the nazis even put out calls to ethnic germans in places like the US to "return to the fatherland". It's hard imo to even argue the national socialists were nationalists, since their ideology went beyond borders and was more important than the nation itself. The nazis cared more about you if you were a german living in a different nation than their own ethnic minority citizens, so I would say they weren't nationalists.
@@ihaveachihuahau Good point, this helps me see them in a new light. Thanks for the reply.
Why don’t u do a video on the Bleiburg massacres? “ REPATRIATIONS”
That would go against agenda that allies were good and were fighting against evil in this case Croats.
@@snokehusk223 Yes but I wouldn’t be surprised if TIK actually made a video about it .
@@salt27dogg True, he might. He did make a video about 369. Croat infantilni divison in Eastern front and this is a way bigger thing. So maybe.
@@snokehusk223 I never heard of them. They were Ustase ? Or did they fight on the eastern front in STALINgrad ? Kursk?
@@salt27dogg They were ustaše who voluntered into wermacht army to fight Soviets. They were very good on the battlefield.
As much as I enjoyed the content and the information, I think the most illuminating aspect of this video is the absolutely cringe worthy (and no, I don't blame you for it), the scary amount of begging and pre-apologizing and disclaimer generating to even have this conversation. It's... absolutely disgusting. It's scary as hell. It's just damning as hell to our society as it stands (does it really stand any longer?) today. We are a fallen, enslaved society or at the very least on the verge of being one, if a historian is forced to go through the preamble you had to demonstrate, complete with doing voices... wow. Anyhow keep doing what you do it is most appreciated and I enjoy your videos and either learn from them or am driven to further investigation or both. But free speech is no longer a right. It's a privilege predicated by the whims of big tech and our governments.
No kidding, this is a damning testiment of our society. I listened to a preamble before a Doris Day movie about how the movie was indicative of the sexism of the 1960's and the movie was only shown as a study of this. In 1720 a distant ancestor distinguished himself in battle and killed a nobleman who led an attempted coup in Lithuania. So I should tell all my family to hate this evil ancestor because he killed people in battle, I guess I should be personally shunned because I killed people in battle as well. I am so tired of revisionism in our society. Unfortunately Orwellian revisionism occurs throughout history, this is compelling proof as to why we need historians like Tik. Cheers from Canada.
Jeez so over-dramatic... We're are "fallen, enslaved society" or close to it because a social media platform has bots that automatically flag content with certain words in it?
The internet is not real life and conflating this supposed "censorship" with reality is disingenuous.
I don't know where you live but in America at least, Free Speech is still a Right. It's not been taken away and it's the same as it ever was. Just because one private corporation decides they want to get rid of certain content doesn't mean that the government is after you and you aren't guaranteed your First Amendment anymore. The government can't take away your free speech, you can still peaceably assemble and you can go on any myriad of other platforms to publicize your views.
Not saying anything you want on a certain website is not enslavement and it's especially ironic how you're saying that on a video of this topic.
If what you said was really true then your comment here protesting this would see you banned from TH-cam and arrested.
@@visassess8607 you're too stupid to be helped. Go live out your little life in blissful ignorance, preferably don't breed. Because I support your right to say whatever you want I can only hope you don't have children to say it to.
@@gnashings Feel free to counter anything I've actually said.
@@visassess8607 go watch some cartoons. I'm sorry about being mean to you, it's punching down and it's not a good look.
"Dresden bombing victims": How often are bombing victims stripped naked, shaved bald, and piled up like fire wood? Ted should of questioned his own thoughts early on before publishing.
Usually they are, since burning to death burns your hair and clothes also . Much nastier death then gassing.
@@OpalBLeigh Unburied bodies and starving human beings were everywhere. Winter/spring of 1945 was especially harsh in German held areas. Not enough food and typhus spreading around. Most inmates in Bergen Belsen and other Western camps died from it, but disease was not limited to them.
How can you tell they were dead? Maybe they were having sunbath?
Well if they're burned and piled up perhaps. Think the point is, there are a lot of historical documentaries are made pretty lazily and just source a generic photo or footage of 1 event, and use it to represent the event they're talking about even if it's completely different, so I wouldn't be surprised if this has happened on occasion.
I think the biggest problem is, it is illegal in many places around the world to even have the discussion or play devil's advocate. If it wasn't such a legal problem I think we could get a lot less of this conspiratorial non-sense. Because nothing makes people question things then being unable to talk about something.
Why do they want all research off the table? Can you guess why.
@@maxsmith695 I'm guessing because the truth offers less political leverage than "the greatest crime in history". Furthermore, if it was found and publicly revealed that this particular historical event was not what we were led to believe for 80 years, it would have some pretty alarming real world ramifications.
The comment is from 4/29 last year. TIK is so backed up, it reminds me of the trains in Mao’s China, or the ports in today’s California
Or the thoughts in Brandon's head.
Apparently Rwandan Genocide deniers exist, and that happened on *live television*
At this point I’m convinced that there’s no atrocity that some people won’t deny.
Yes, reporter Jane Corbin made a BBC documentary about Rwanda in 2014, which the Kagale government objected to.
I remember seeing people online claiming that the video of the recent mass murder of muslims in NZ was fake and part of a video game.
The genocide in Ruanda was a mind control operation !!
Not only jews died. Also wast numbers of People anywere nazis came. More still turned nazis, when they was "arian" enough. Many of them fled to USA UK and hid in europe too
Thank you TIK for informing me and allowing me to discuss topics with national socialists in a way that they believe that I half agree with them, while fervently telling them to drop their socialism because it doesnt work. Also, replying to the commenter at the start: its the nationalism that pointed to the target and the socialism (food shortage resulting from it) that made them pull the trigger. Genocide is always ideology + circumstance. You dont just go from hating to murdering without any reason.
Exactly, this is why I'm not backing down on the Socialism issue, because denying the Socialism is denying the Holocaust. I just wish more people would realize this.
@@TheImperatorKnight to make more people aware of the connection I have stopped saying nazi and say national socialist instead. Sometimes people ask what I mean, and then I say something along the lines of "while marxist socialism is socialism for the worker and against everyone else, national socialism is socialism for the germanic and against everyone else"
@@captnliberty2314 Socialismn is always a dividing factor, first you have the guys that pay for it and second you have the guys that pay the bills. It would only work if the whole globe becomes socialist and i could migrate into any country and live on welfare, which explains its obsession with worlddomination.
I would write "national socialism is socialism for the ones with a german passport" as this also included members of the colonies.
Except for the elephant in the room. As soon as they are done with their dominations and they have finished looting all their competitors within reach then their endpoint socialism fails from cannibalizing itself. They aren't that good at math. That is why it is taught from political "theory" (read: hypothesis) because it has no business in science.
Himmler's Possen 1943 speech spells it out quite clearly when he addressed a serious question that must of been important enough issue within the ranks of the SS that it needed to be addressed as it's own bullet point in the speech. The children. Many within the SS seemed to view the children as innocent. Himmler in that speech addressed it as "these children will grow up hating us for what we have done. For this we will forever have to view them with distrust as they will grow up to be our new threat as they may never forgive us." Yes I paraphrased... as I don't remember it word for word, but he basically justified the murder of children providing rationale to other officers within the SS. The fact he brought it up means many had serious issues with what they were doing. Especially toward children.
To me the 1943 Possen Speech was proof enough. However, it lets you know that they were still human with human concerns. Yet used horrible logic and inhuman rationale to justify what they were doing. You can understand why many of them became alcohol and drug addicts. It falls back to one of my favorite quotes. "Some of the worst things imaginable happened out of good intentions."
A highly un PC comment: Why all the fuss over the Jewish holocaust when millions of other people have been killed and murdered over the millennia for reasons of race, religion and beliefs? Why don't people get all worked up about the Mongols who killed millions of people in the middle ages? I actually watched a video where a guy stated the Mongols had the greatest empire ever in terms of their scientific, cultural and infrastructure achievements. Imagine someone saying that today about the Nazis.
I think because its much more recent and the way in which it unfolded was so well documented. We know all the major characters and the minor characters. We have photographs and eye witnesses etc. Its much more tangible to people today.
Also for what its worth alot of people freely acknowledge that the germans were scientifically way ahead of their time in WW2
@@Oldscale It’s easy to be a liberal when you’re sandwiched between two liberal counries.
@@Oldscale I would agree with that.
i'd the way the nazi conducted it, mass shooting and gazing, bringing in millions of people to extermination camps, is there any other genocide in history of this magnitude that has been conducted in this style ?
The mongols at least didn't target a particular race, and they actually used their genocide as an effective terror weapon
The guy changed his mind after being imprisoned for his beliefs.
in my country Denmark it has always been legal to be a national socialist. So it has been possibel to discus openly with nazis.
There have never been more than a few hundred members of the danish nazi party.
Danish people were true heroes during the holocaust. The Danish saved the majority of the Danish jews and acted amazingly against the nazis.
Be proud.
All of the "Action Reinhardt" camps themselves were temporary and ad hoc. Treblinkas first Commondant wasn't very good at the job, that's why some were sent on to Majdinek and the other three. Treblinka actually had to stop "taking shipments" for a couple weeks while Franz Stangle got it in order. All of the "Reinhardt" camps were dismantled by the Germans themselves long before they would've been forced to by advancing Red Army units
No offense but it's "Kommandant"
Does that explain why Caroline Sturdy Colls found absolutely nothing in 2014?
@@quangutusuranu Are you a "holocaust denialist"?
@@user-xq4st9ie7r indeed it is. Sometimes my hands type faster than my brain can correct l9l
@@user-xq4st9ie7r meant lol
Its hard to debate anything now a days when everything is censored
You live in North Korea mate?
@@goarmysleepinthemud. Almost.
@@goarmysleepinthemud. He probably just lives in New Britian.
Back in the '80s and '90s, I was simultaneously debating Holocaust deniers and NAMBLA in usenet. Their similarities vastly outnumbered their differences.
What a great use of your time.
@@jenkharmilton Other than shooting and reading history, I can think of none that equal it.
Jesus, did debating paedo's and nazi's not destroy your opinion of the human race? Or have you masochistic tendencies? Hahaha
@@behemothfan1990 Making life miserable for NAMBLA and the National Alliance comes second only to cleaning the 50 yard NRA Conventional Pistol target for me. 😁
@@romansternberg5696 Keep doing God's work, sir.
28:10 love the effect. That's actually a nicely presented snide remark.
I say good on Hunt for being scholastically honest with himself and correcting himself based on evidence.
Thanks you - - Eric
You can defend a persons right to free speech while still hating what they say but the more people that try to silence someone the more you need to dig in and defend that right with you last breath.
I don't think we should ostracize Eric Hunt, even if he's still skeptical about some of the details about the Holocaust that we know to be true. The fact that he's pretty much made a 180 shows that he's capable of learning, and is willing to find the truth. So long as he eventually finds the horrible, blood-soaked truth, he's fine by me.
I detest his ideas, but it is admirable that he preferred truth to continued group - think.
I want to applaud you for making this video. I have known for a while now that holocaust denialist arguments are rampantly spread on the internet and have even seen some of my friends become skeptical of the holocaust. I have for a while now desired to find well-crafted arguments for why many of their conclusions are wrong. I don't like to debate openly about these things since it's clearly accompanied by stigma and a lot of people simply want to silence people being skeptical through force (anti-hate speech laws; Antifa using intimidation etc.). I wrote an article on defusing dangerous thought through free discussion and I wanted to add some of these holocaust denial arguments. The way I wanted to do it is by explaining what made holocaust denials come to their conclusions and tell why it is wrong. I wasn't sure if I should do it because I'm still 21 and I was fearful of the repercussions if my article would've been taken out of context and I'd be punished for the misinterpretation of others while I'm still at arguably the beginning of my life. I'm glad you are doing this because you're doing what I desired to do as well and did it in a way that is more accessible than a student magazine. As long as their wrong conclusions don't get contested in intellectual debate they will freely spread on what is arguably "the black market" of intellectual thought. Thank you very much Tik, you're definitely one of the best channels on this platform.
It comes down to do you believe the “official” story or not. If you don’t swallow it all you are called a “denier”. That’s not how history works.
It is a right, and even a duty, to decide
to affirm that which you understand is worthy of affirmation,
to deny that which you understand is deserving of denial,
in proper proportion
and to make new decisions upon new information
He's not hacking the algorithm. He just has a good gaming chair.
When you're sat at a deck as long as I am, you need a comfy chair. One of the best investments I've ever made
@@TheImperatorKnight I thought you were subjected to the Spanish Inquisition.
@@TheImperatorKnight I would play War Thunder with you, TIK.
@@TheImperatorKnight Not even a sponsored item, I am so disappointed.
@@OrganDanaiInquisitor 1: Put him in...the comfy chair!
Inquisitor 2: The comfy chair?! 😱
Is the renunciation even credible to use in an argument considering he was under duress?
TIK. Thank you so much for all your work. You're an absolute legend. Sincerely from sweden.
"I'm here to defend the holocaust, not deny it"
That's a badly worded sentence if I've seen one.
If I stuck to facts I would have done better in order to reach people. Uncovering the film The Last Days’s hoax as well as Wiesel’s poetic embellishment presented as reality in school warped my mind hurt my mental health.
What is there to forgive? It was his life and his reputation. Looks like inteligent person that was just missguided maybe still is but aren't we all in some way on whatever topic. Just idiots don't change their opinions if evidence shows that they are worng. We all live in our personal and social bubbles and to go out and question the narrative takes courage. Great video as always. Keep up the great work. P.S. I am curious if YT will ban this video.
Yes idiots don’t change they’re mind, they just don’t ever question what they’re taught
"Just idiots don't change their opinions if evidence shows that they are worng. "
WHAT EVIDENCE CHANGED ERIC'S MIND? SHOW ME PLEASE.
@@jboss1073 Dude you are 2 years late :D Sorry, but I'm not watching a nearly 2-hour video again to react to your comment.
@@VaBe_SvK "Dude you are 2 years late :D Sorry, but I'm not watching a nearly 2-hour video again to react to your comment."
That's my point. No one who first doubted the topic is going to watch 2 hours and change their mind.
What they need is just 3 minutes showing the objective evidence it happened.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Freedom of speech to remember history, to education the youth, to prevent repetitive behavior from the far side of humanity 😱
How dare someone have a different view or use free-speech? They should be put in jail for thinking differently, and expressing different ideas. This is ridiculous
Hey TIK, can I recommend you read _Ordinary Men_ by Christopher Browning? It talks a lot about Reserve Police Battalion 101, and how regular German policemen ended up participating in the mass murders.
Thanks for the recommendation! I've had it on my reading list for a while, so I do intend to get it at some point. I'm more confident about the usefulness of the source after your comment though
@@TheImperatorKnight Jordan Peterson has cited _Ordinary Men_ as an example of regular people being forced to conform to demands of tyrannical authority.
@@TheImperatorKnight It's a tough read but very worthwhile. It also gives the lie to the 'only following orders' defence.
I recently bought a copy when it was brought up here, although I've been aware of it for a very long time. I need to get through a couple of Glantz books and a book on the Japanese Special Naval Landing Forces before I get to it.
@@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874 Of course some people have to be forced harder than others. Not much force was required by the Germans, Japanese OR Soviets.
Have you thought of doing a team up with Miles Power who covered the chemistry of the holocaust?
Or casual historian, who has done a documentary on the history of holocaust denial
I had not heard of him until now. I'll check out his work, thanks
@@saampam894 " Or casual historian, who has done a documentary on the history of holocaust denial "
Documentaries, hah.
Joel Hayward wrote the paper on the history of holocaust denial and he concluded they were right.
It was his Masters thesis.
Seems like holocaust liars are running more circles than holocaust deniers nowadays
How do they explain things like the Babi Yar massacre and only four months later the Wannsee conference? Leaving aside the evidence, if they are saying the later industrialised murder is too implausible why can't they see the steps which laid the foundations? Also how do they explain the Warsaw Ghetto uprising in 1943? If a captive and weakened group of people thought nothing final was about to happen to them, why would they put so much effort into preparation and resistance? I could go on eg. the concerted effort to get rid of evidence of the operation reinhard camps after 1943 c/o blobel. Their narrative just doesn't stack up against the overall sequence of events.
TIK is an Ale drinker! Label's Out, my Brother!!!! Ale drinker here as well.
He was obviously paid by the International Ale Industry to make that remark.
Long live the bavarian Helles.
@@ColinStyles ooohh, great comment
Piss-head here! Count me in mate.
If the Holocaust was real then historical inquiry into it would be welcomed and the topic would not be censored
TIK's solution to this is that denying the holocaust is denying Hitler's Socialism which all the Marxist historians don't want to do. I don't think this is plausible.
@@-jammy4123 i base my views on Majdanek on technical issues, not hate. So I should be censored?
@@dpjbdpjb no, no one should be censored. We both know alot is hidden. I actually want to thank you for asking questions and doing your reaserch
A real Nazi would never deny the Holocaust, because the real ones are proud of it. When the Dutch right wing fascist sympathizer Willem Sassen interviewed Adolf Eichmann in Argentina, he was shocked when Eichmann very openly spoke about the Holocaust. Sassen has spent years to deny the Holocaust in different publications or tried to argument for much lower numbers and thought Eichmann would give him some useful information to help him with his political agenda. This shock only shows how naive Willem Sassen was. These interviews were recorded on tape and parts of these famous "Sassen protocols" can be found even on TH-cam.
The same is true for communists and the GULag. The naive left wing sympathizers of Marxist ideas don't want to talk about the GULag and the Purges and the Holodomor and try to downplay the cruelties in the Soviet Union (or in Mao's China), or to find all kind of excuses (difficult measures were necessary in difficult times, etc.). The real bolsheviks would not lie about it, they would be proud for what they have done. They would say it was necessary. If you want to get rid of the Kulak farmers or the urban bourgeoisie in order to erect the dictatorship of the proletariate, you have to kill them.
The naive sympathizers of the far left or the far right don't want to admit that the political idea itself is flawed, they say only the measures taken were bad, but the idea is good. No, the idea was bad from the very beginning.
Reminds me of the Starship Troopers theory of political systems: namely, that the one true yardstick for such a system is whether or not it is reasonably able to function. Communism, Nazism, and fascism are alike in that they tend to not succeed, ergo they are not functioning systems and should be discarded.
The guy from Poland who was not let into UK lately, Mr Rafal Ziemkiewicz, was very wrongly accused of being a denier and this fake news spread very fast very widely. It's prudent to dispell any misunderstandings one is not a denier, indeed.
Tell everyone he had an HGV licence. The UK will let him in
>"I'm not a Nazi, Fascist, Communist, Totalitarian, etc..."
But you are late :P
Guilty! :D I can be late now and then
Hey Tik you were definitely late in this case. Tsk tsk tsk. Cheers from Canada.
What is a "h0|0caust denier" exactly? Is there a very specific version you need to agree on?
Curious indeed why Holocaust Deniers choose this as a "hill to die on". Sure, the exact number who died in the camps cannot be determined but as TIK says, we don't even know how many men were in each military unit. It was a very chaotic time.
The facts are undeniable the Holocaust did occur. My uncle who was over there, when he returned from the war, spent the rest of his life chain-smoking his life away, hardly leaving the house. It messed him up for the rest of his life seeing stuff like that, just a simple farm boy being in real-life HellRaiser movie.
TIK did a good job on this delicate matter that could get him banned right away, and not give his enemies ammunition to use against him. TIK has enemies because he has shown what the socialists in the British parliament and US government are: tyrannical fascists who itch for the day to be their own version of Hitler or Stalin. Evil socialists in the Labour Party don't want other people to see them for what they really are until they have enough political power to make you disappear, you, and anyone else who disagrees with them.
i may love your channel for the countless hours of history-content it provides, but the reason according to me you reach a level most content creators cant dream of is your ability to always be as objective as you can and keep emotion out of the analysis. keep up the good work and love from Sweden!
I really like how TIK doesn't presume to know others ideological convictions. Like where he says Hunt was a Nazi, witch is not a unreasonable conclusion, but since he really doesn't know is he or not, he corrects him self and says holocaust denier. I m not saying someone has to admit to being nazi or communist before you can make that assumption, but is is so refreshing to see this kind of thing in the modern days, since now days everyone is a nazi or a communist or usually they are both, since they really are neither.
People use that word very lightly. Perhaps the nazbols had some power after WW2, but the actual anti-semites were not in leadership positions. If Trump was a supporter of the German party, his presidency was a greater victory than the Battle of Dunkirk. Also, shows that they were pioneers in human rights, which is not true.
Very ood point about the Nazis doing things AD hoc. They started with Einsatzgruppen with open pit shootings. Next were Gas Van's,(Himmler was a bit squeamish at the shootings). And finally the camps.
There was also the Wannsee Conference in January 1942 where Heydrich, Eichmann and other SS officers planned the "Endlösung" in detail. But this was years after the mobile killing groups had killed over 1 million jews already. The killing of jews started right after the invasion of Poland in 1939.
@@untruelie2640 They did not kill nowhere near 1 million before 1942. It was more like 100 000, max 200 000. Biggest massacre was at Babi Yar, less than 35 000.
My grandparents survived the masturbation machines.
@@MaDaFaKaSsS You are correct, they were for delousing. Alas, they had the unfortunate side effect of killing the hosts of the louses as well.
@@jvo1464 I survived them too. San Francisco in the 80s was wild!
god it's so annoying trying to add comments about this issue, they always get immediately filtered. this comment section is basically useless for discussing the content of the video.
George Costanza, Seinfeld | "It's not a lie if you believe it."
It is human nature to believe what one is inclined to believe.
It is and critical thinking is about trying to avoid that bias.
TIK i would agree with you on the "oh well humans make mistakes, lets forget it" narrative IF they didn't put you in jail for simply asking these questions in many many countries. in light of the disproportionately severe punishments and the everchanging numbers and whatnot, i can't help but think they deliberately overexaggerated whatever really happened.
For sure there was, and still is, exageration regarding Holocaust nareative.
Plenty of documentaries still put Dachau as a death camp.
However saying that people receive harsh punishment for questioning the Holocaust is also an exageration. Cases of people receiving prison sentence for it are pretty rare.
@@alexandredelneste270 that anyone does, is a harsh punishment. This isn't china.
nazi spotted
Tbh i agree with the possibility of a conspiracy of a group elite j*ws. (so not every single individual of that religious/ethnic group). The problem is that many people who have that same believe also believe that Chaplin i mean Hitler was the ultimate good guy trying to save the world. Trying to cherry pick the good deeds and completely ignoring the bad. That’s where they usually lose me.
Who are "they"?
“I’m here to defend the Holocaust, not deny it.” That’s… not really an improvement.
On a serious note. Really enjoyed the video! Great work as always!
Thanks so much for putting those David Irving snippets in your video. I watched that years ago when it was on TH-cam (it's now been taken down). Once I'd checked out a photographic copy of the original German Korherr report, along with more reading around Operation Reinhardt I've been conformable debating denialists without fear of losing.
Are denialists your enemies that you have to beat them in a debate? Why do you have to win a debate instead of coming to the truth together, hmm perhaps because you're protecting a lie. Also what makes you think that the korherr report is real?
My dad was in the British Royal Artillery in ww2, fought on D Day, battle of Normandy, nijmegen bridge, battle of the bulge, across into Germany and down through Germany, on the way LIBERATING BELSEN. It was awful he barely ever talked of it.
Because he did not have much to say about it. Bergen-Belsen was for Jews that would survive and be exchanged.
@@aleksazunjic9672 exchanged for what?
I don’t know how I can say that “never talked” is evidence for Holocaust or even have it relate. Thanks for your non evidence
@@johnarose2837 I take it you don’t believe the holocaust happened? My dad was THERE. You were not. I believe my father over you any day.
I don't think there were any death camps in Germany, they were all liberated by Soviet troops in eastern Europe
Problem is, despite his recanting, Eric's videos do leave people with questions. Well, me at least. There are problems with the narrative we are taught in school
So did David Coles video!
David Irving actually seems reasonable tbh.
Y’all put a lot of trust in communists and people that hate you
Haha exactly, these people are deluded.
I need to find this channel 5 documentary
It’s strange how there is great reverence for the fact that this is a huge graveyard but Carol had no problem digging up Christian remains - does that suggest that Christian remains are less important??
First thing that comes to my mind: does TIK actually block his door with his bookshelf? Well, that man has got priorities 😂
It's actually a cupboard, but yes I've blocked one of the doors 😂
I should add that there are postcards on the cupboard door to places I've never been, and a poster for WW1 (a topic I hardly ever cover)
don't tell them about the autocannon let them stumble past the petrol moat first
im listening to this with the curtains down, under cover of my blankets with a flashlight on my phone
TIK Is so dedicated to finishing the stalingrad series that he's resorted to barricading himself in his room
This is one of those videos that you need to watch from the start to the end, before making your comments. Thank you for doing this video.
A guy that goes to jail for his beliefs would have all the reasons in the world to say he changed his mind, what he actually thinks doesn't necessarily have to be the same thing, a sudden change of heart be it Hunt, Irving or Weber is always suspicious but if they have proper documentation to validate their new position one would have to agree with them but if they don't give a good explanation to explain themselves then one has to entertain other possibilities, threats, being tired to fight, financial motivations, whatever, in other words, I wouldn't give them credit until I know their reasons, just a precautionary measure.
Deniers themselves immediately banned me from the Codoh forums once I posted my detailed explanation. Denial is a cult.
@@Eric-h6y2f Depends on your behavior, if you go in there like you weigh 300 pounds, treat them like microbes, start breaking the china and ask the same old questions instead of taking 5 minutes to search their site, there is indeed a good chance they might have better things to do. One thing is sure, calling them deniers when they see themselves as researchers with a healthy dose of skepticism and calling their work, passion or hobby a cult, as you just did, is the best way to get yourself kicked out the door no questions asked.
Ethnic Russians were 42% of the Bolshevik leadership and 44% of the Empire's population
Jews were 14% of the Bolshevik leadership and 4% of the Empire's population
South Caucasians (Stalin) were 10% of the Bolshevik leadership and 2% of the Empire's population
Latvians were 6% of the Bolshevik leadership and 1% of the Empire's population
Germans were 2% of the Bolshevik leadership and 1% of the Empire's population
(Source: The Bolsheviks and the Russian Empire , Cambridge University Press, 2012)
Jews were not the majority of the Bolshevik leadership and the largest group was, by far, the ethnic Russian.
Jews were not the most over-represented group in the Bolshevik leadership. First were the Latvians followed by the South Caucasians.
Several minorities were seduced by the Bolshevik ideal -at least some of their members-: Jews, South Caucasians, Latvians, Germans, etc...
*List 1 of the J3 wish Bolshevik Commissars, Revolutionarys, bureaucrats, and agitators who took over Russia*
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