Had this been available last year, I'd have jumped on it. I've been holding off getting a smart phone because Google is evil, and Apple is greedy. But now I'm gonna get one of the two Linux phones soon.
Interesting! I can see this deal working further in a bidirectional way: sure, KaiOS gets to keeps its UI and API proprietary, its ad-based revenue model, so on. BUT Mozilla in turn is now compelled to dedicate efforts into optimizing Firefox for low-powered devices *and* has to adapt the codebase to be able to make B2GOS-like builds once again. This seems to point at being able to build custom Firefox OS(-like) builds in the near future, as 78 Nightly is coming out in May and 78 ESR in July, and would mean the OS could be reborn in its original form! Thanks a lot for the news!
The biggest problem on keeping someone making Firefox OS builds (AFAIK), is that there was no effort on bringing Quatum, or someone to set up Quantum. So it was sooner or later going to languish on a lack of updates. While most of the Firefox OS web services like the app store are certainly dead or near the guillotine, if there's someone mad enough to make PWAs (the panacea the Firefox team wanted) work I could totally see it floating around some other alternative Linux based mobile OSes.
@@saulnunez2625 I mean, if you've understood the video, you'll know the idea is to bring that post-Quantum Firefox to KaiOS with up-to-date PWA support. The interesting part will be to see if they upstream and release the required refactoring for that to happen, which Mozilla being Mozilla, seems most likely.
@Lucas Zhu Hmm, why? GeckoView should satisfy any Android needs, right? Or wait, sorry, you mean porting the Firefox for Android UI to KaiOS? That one completely depends on KaiOS, unless there's some way to customize the system on your own.
@@tvrtkoharapin8809 It seems like Google is readying its own KaiOS competitor as well if the rumors are true. Perhaps their plan for now is paying them to include Google apps by default.
KaiOS will never work. I'm a developer and was interested in getting a #KaiOS phone to play around with creating apps. I was unable to find a decent 4G or wifi phone for USA. The best I could find was the #Alcatel A405DL, but it has a *tiny* screen (which all of their phones seem to have) and is *locked* to Tracfone. Not having a reasonable phone for developers == very quick death. What the hell, #Mozilla?
@@dmhendricks Android is basically the most viable thing in the universe because it's like having windows but in a Linux basis that also has cheaper clone hardware that even Microsoft favors and their smartphonesand the fact is no matter what obscure operating system you're going to use you're still going to use Google source code because Google has everyone on their side to back up the use of scripts which any proprietary operating system is obsolete no matter how good it is because it is absolutely inferior to Google and without Google scripts you can't even use the higher functions of the internet so you might as well just be using a legitimate flip phone from the year 2000.
I think Microsoft should have gone with Webkit, it's also open source and they would have a lot of leverage considering that Apple basically develops it alone with some Linux guys nowadays, they wouldn't need to fight Google for features upstream or stuff like that.
@reddit-turken Well.... Chromium's Blink engine is a fork of Apple's WebKit, which is based on KDE's WebKit and KHTML, so Apple is actually before Google in the forking of code. So Safari is not based on Chromium, it's Chromium that's based on Safari, sort of...
I don't understand why 7 times as many PC-users use Chrome than Firefox. For a while Chrome was faster but these days Firefox is as good as Chrome. Perfect? No. But it is as fast, it has all the add-ons, it can easily be customized and there hasn't been a serious bug for a long time. Chrome spies on the users, Firefox won't as long as you don't allow it to do that. Did Chrome win the battle because mobile-phone users automatically get Chrome when they use Android?
Because you also know that most of the websites are optimized for chrome and chromium derivatives. Google also does shady things like it takes much more time to load youtube on chrome rather than in Firefox because Google use obsolete apis in order to make their web apps appear slow in Firefox. Thirdly people are lazy and mostly don't give a damn about privacy.
on mac (mb air 2017) it performance sucks in comparison to chrome based browsers and safari, for example. I'd love to use it, but it simply works worse then other browsers.
Like Firefox os, Firefox browser will also die slowly because Firefox users are not growing now. It's a fact. Future is either chrome or chromium derivatives like Brave, Edge, Vivaldi etc.
True but it's a package deal. If you run gecko, your JavaScript engine is SpiderMonkey (the latest being the OdinMonkey engine) and Gecko is simply not built to handle anything else.
Him that page doesn’t mention a lot of other privacy focused search engines, such as start page. I trust Ecosia’s privacy policy and their transparency report, and being an environmentalist myself I think their unique approach has merit.
@@bbenny9033 not really, who really uses jacks in 2020, or 2021? More and more people have Bluetooth headphones since they're getting cheaper. What's the point in removing space that you can use for battery or cameras or literally anything else for a headphone jack that a small niche market needs. If you're broke and genuinely can't afford a Bluetooth headset, buy a cheap phone with a jack
I just searched for kaiOS phones and dang the TELMA WI-KIF + 4G sounds like a good phone. Battery life, Bluetooth, wifi, GPS. If you don't care that much about touch screens that is a very good phone, the only thing holding it back imo is the microSD storage limit. I wish kaiOS phones had a better global market rather than just 3rd world countries. Haven't heard anything about kaiOS in South America.
a lot of fans also compete to see who can get the first dislike... I heard from youtubers that if you initially make your vidro private, dislike it, and only then make it public, the second dislike takes a lot longer to arrive
I have a theory that TH-cam creates dislikes artificially because sometimes it just can't be I've had some random videos that didn't have even 10 views with a dislike, I had one where I uploaded a 5 seconds video with a picture (I was testing some editing stuff) with a bunch of numbers on the title and got a dislike
I am surprised this is actually getting popular. I mean I get it it's pretty cheap, but I would have legitemately thought everyone was trying to move to the touchscreen based phones and trying to make that as cheap as possible
I'm literally watching this in Firefox on mobile. And also using it on PC too. I have never seen anyone using a feature phone, but I hope they will profit from this deal
To be completely honest even if they could somehow get enough support to rebuild it for smartphones, they would get a lot of people to use it. As long as it has Linux and security. Pine phone is a Linux phone, sadly it's very underpowered but it's a step in right direction.
Very interesting video. I'm actually quite intrigued to see where the platform may go from here. I'm tempted to pick up a Nokia phone with the existing KaiOS variant and see how it improves with Mozilla's new support! Great content!
Hello there I am EED. Love this idea. I am a huge fan aunt mozella and the Firefox community. I am glad that kaios is kicking off like a rocket and taking Firefox and two other users and developers. I hope these two companies smash together the right way.
@chillidip: based on my experience with Firefox operating system I really don't think it could support something as complex as Spotify because I was seldom able to access basic web media besides I really garbage version of TH-cam which I had not seen in a long time and I really don't see any advantage of Firefox because it is absolutely inferior to using Android Apple or any Windows product that has ever existed even Windows 3.1 is better than Firefox the phone.
I just want another Engine than Chromium to succeed as well as a new mobile OS to succeed... Seeing all that commercial, non-consumer-focused nonsense of Apple, Google, Samsung etc makes me cry
That Nokia phone is pretty cool, it's like a 2020 sleek refresh of a 90's nostalgia trip. I wish other phone companies started making phones with more joyfull colors.
The only reason I can think that KaiOS is not adopting the tracker blocking is so they can have a revenue stream from ads. I'm not really comfortable with that.
I have worked on this project and launched two phones in France and West Africa. Shame it was stopped so soon. The big mistake IMO is choice of Orange partner who did not know what open source meant.
i hope this works out for both companies, and i also hope they branch out to smart phones to give some competition to Android and iOS we need a new phoneOS.
@Lucas Zhu I know the whole story. I was expecting LG to use it on phones, not tv. Yeah, I know about Lune but it's work in prograss. Not really compatible with a lot of devices.
I was interested in this operating for a long time. I am still waiting for a qwerty KaiOS device made by Nokia or another western brand. I do wonder if someone is making that device. Do you have any hint on that?
Can't wait for a touchscreen KaiOS device. Been looking into getting a usable KaiOS device, but the closest I can get is the Jio Phone 2 which isn't available here in Paraguay and won't even properly work outside of India.
unfortunately the Nokia 8110 does not receive an update. You will not receive version 3. Since it is running an older version 2.5, it is also listed in small print on the kai website ... unfortunately
@jocaguz18 Android isn't a monopoly, it's open source. Android and Google aren't the same thing. Fire OS is Android without Google services or apps as is Android in China
@jocaguz18 the truth is stranger than fiction because Google and apple as a business model are favorable to be on each other's side however no matter what Google copies aesthetically from Apple Android undoubtedly is a stab at windows specifically the portable market which in a programming concept Android is identical to Apple in terms of replicating program languages with script however Android specifically uses JavaScript which are favorable to Windows Google basically strangled Microsoft into giving up their proprietary formats which Microsoft used to monopolize the internet for so many years so it's undoubtable to say that Google and apple will definitely side with each other to take on the threat of proprietary programming however you cannot call Google and apple a bully because Microsoft had neglected the advancement of smartphones when they had the chance years ago because of small mindedness not realizing how touch screens can make small computers more viable and that's the reason why Microsoft is now a third party developer and for lack of a better term Microsoft is basically an Xbox toy company and Android is the only thing leading the business market if anything ever happened to Windows like Microsoft giving up on it completely Google would basically rule the world more than they already do and I don't see any reason to fight Google with Firefox because they use the same Google source codes as does everything unless it it would be useless anyway because Google could just blacklist it.
@Paradoxical Nightmare Android is definitely a monopoly for a business Enterprise users which is the exact same Monopoly Microsoft had built up for many years and now Google has stolen the portable industry by getting everyone on their side to use Google's source code over proprietary formats so no one really has a choice but to use Google software otherwisewhatever problems Google Apple and Microsoft have with each other they would definitely put that aside to get rid of some proprietary garbage like Firefox OS.
@Paradoxical Nightmare Sir despite Android being the holy Grail of Linux Google is still guilty of monopolizing software because Microsoft really had no choice but to except Google's new universal formats which in the end Google has control over and no matter what web browser you use it will still use Google's standard otherwise it will simply not work or be extremely limited. Consider the fact that Android has a limited lifespan which if you have an older version of Android that you like you would have no choice but to upgrade do you certain software because Google prevent you from downloading it even if your Android has all the necessary hardware.
@Paradoxical Nightmare Yes I understand but Google is still the one who controls to distribution of Android and can easily make Android upgradeable via SD card sold on their website or something like that instead of allowing users to be at the mercy of a carrier or going through a complex process of forcing a operating system update which can result in making a phone or tablet unusable.
Try to get a Nokia 8110 4G, Nokia 2720 Flip or Alcatel Go Flip 3. These are the best offerings currently to try KaiOS. I have a 2720 Flip and it's my primary phone. I really like it, since I got bored of smart phones. The one I still use has the purpose of having important apps on it and listening to music streaming services on the go, but that's it. If I want to talk to people and get away of social media, I'd rather turn to my Nokia. It's also A FLIP PHONE! Who doesn't like to flip a phone?!
I've had a Nokia 8110 4G for almost a year now. KaiOS has all the essentials and then some. If you don't mind T9 typing, a mildly slower experience, and the lack of most Android or iOS apps, then it's fantastic and the phones that run it are priced really well. It really doesn't hurt to get one, even if only to try it out for a while.
Ok with the information. Very useful. So, KaiOS is using actually an old version of FFox engine. Is there exist another web browser for KaiOS or just the web browser included? And my last question is: all the KaiOS devices will receive an update for the OS when the new version of Ffox was integrated on the OS? I was thinking to buy a Feature phone for programming and testing purposes but now that I know about the OS I am in doubt. Thanks in advance for a response.
I'm pretty excited about KaiOS but there aren't many phones here in the U.S. that supports it. Also some phones don't deliver such a great setup. I would be more interested if perhaps Firefox could collaborate with a phone manufacturer and build the best KaiOS phone. I'm not even sure if it's even profitable though...
The amount of improvements that Mozilla have made to Firefox since version 48 cannot be understated. Web standards, a parallelized CSS engine, full ARM64 support for the JavaScript engine, off-thread compositing & painting, WebRender, WebExtensions, WebAssembly, a huge amount of work to modularize everything for GeckoView, the list goes on and on. Hell the built-in tracker blocking you mentioned is also a pretty recent edition that took a number of releases to get to where it is now. This will be such a breath of fresh air for KaiOS if they can make this happen.
The issue is that kia is is an actual phone not a windows like kernel so it lacks far behind android unless kai became a modified android kernel like fire os.
Luigi Tecnologo it really depends, Firefox has an issue where it won’t free up ram after you close the tab, but it also uses up less ram per tab, and BY FAR Mozilla has the better documentation
I am less optimistic about KaiOS. According to stat counter, KaiOS has dropped 80% in terms of web traffic. We have just released a KaiOS app for my walkie talkie app (www.voicepingapp.com). We are #2 in utilities as of this writing and getting a whooping 20 users a day. We will put in a few more versions and hope it pays off.
there is a need for multi device support OS, like windows and linux can be installed in any x86 devices, there should be a mobile equivalent of this, OS with single image file which can be installed in any android device using TWRP
I would like if Kai os could be installed on old phones to give it a second live and also people tend to forget that Androids only got android os as a choice and iPhone iOS, install another os without bloatware and obsolence would be great.
The Digit 4G has reached a target price of 11 USD and Unisoc SC9863 has reached 136500 as AnTuTu score. I admit it, I'm a computer guy, so I wonder if b2g+Gaia could run on top of postmarketos so that an 11 USD piece of HW could possibly offer a DEX-like experience to anyone, whoever you are
i wish kaios enable contact sync like ios and android in their future version. these days it was odd if an internet capable phone limited to only import contact
I have a question about KaiOS: Is it possible to use the alarm clock with switched of phone like it was possible with legacy Sony Ericsson Phones from the 1999's ? I would be pleased if you check that. Maybe with a testing video?
I have 2 things to point out: 1. Why would google support its own investment, opt for opponent engine? 2. Kaios should handle updates themselves, since the phones are low costs, the manufacturers would rather save up by not pushing updates. Big problem like android.
What kind of support does KaiOS need from Mozilla? The Firefox source code is completely open source. They could have easily done what Google and Android device makes do with the Linux kernel. Fork the project and than rebase it against mainline every couple of LTS versions.
Here is the Twitter poll. Let me know what you think! twitter.com/TechAltar/status/1237727436604874754?s=20
Your hairs back?
@@aviking3942 Lol hahaha
Hey, what about 60fps???
Please, add captions :(
Had this been available last year, I'd have jumped on it. I've been holding off getting a smart phone because Google is evil, and Apple is greedy. But now I'm gonna get one of the two Linux phones soon.
Interesting! I can see this deal working further in a bidirectional way: sure, KaiOS gets to keeps its UI and API proprietary, its ad-based revenue model, so on. BUT Mozilla in turn is now compelled to dedicate efforts into optimizing Firefox for low-powered devices *and* has to adapt the codebase to be able to make B2GOS-like builds once again. This seems to point at being able to build custom Firefox OS(-like) builds in the near future, as 78 Nightly is coming out in May and 78 ESR in July, and would mean the OS could be reborn in its original form! Thanks a lot for the news!
The biggest problem on keeping someone making Firefox OS builds (AFAIK), is that there was no effort on bringing Quatum, or someone to set up Quantum. So it was sooner or later going to languish on a lack of updates.
While most of the Firefox OS web services like the app store are certainly dead or near the guillotine, if there's someone mad enough to make PWAs (the panacea the Firefox team wanted) work I could totally see it floating around some other alternative Linux based mobile OSes.
@@saulnunez2625 I mean, if you've understood the video, you'll know the idea is to bring that post-Quantum Firefox to KaiOS with up-to-date PWA support. The interesting part will be to see if they upstream and release the required refactoring for that to happen, which Mozilla being Mozilla, seems most likely.
@Lucas Zhu Hmm, why? GeckoView should satisfy any Android needs, right?
Or wait, sorry, you mean porting the Firefox for Android UI to KaiOS? That one completely depends on KaiOS, unless there's some way to customize the system on your own.
I have no idea why new OS are so intriguing. Competition in the space is always good, glad to see this.
Well it's not really competition as kai os only runs on limited feature phones, meaning it's a whole other category
Well, it is no competition when Google pays KaiOS and who knows how Facebook and Twitter Apps are spying under KaiOS?!?
I miss the times BBOS, FirefoxOS and Windows Phone were all still alive.
@@tvrtkoharapin8809 It seems like Google is readying its own KaiOS competitor as well if the rumors are true. Perhaps their plan for now is paying them to include Google apps by default.
KaiOS will never work. I'm a developer and was interested in getting a #KaiOS phone to play around with creating apps. I was unable to find a decent 4G or wifi phone for USA. The best I could find was the #Alcatel A405DL, but it has a *tiny* screen (which all of their phones seem to have) and is *locked* to Tracfone. Not having a reasonable phone for developers == very quick death. What the hell, #Mozilla?
I find your voice so peaceful
@Darshan Agyat haha
I love the obsession you have for Firefox OS. More viable operating systems are severely needed.
The keyword here is "viable," which Mozilla KaiFoxOS is not even remotely close.
@@dmhendricks Android is basically the most viable thing in the universe because it's like having windows but in a Linux basis that also has cheaper clone hardware that even Microsoft favors and their smartphonesand the fact is no matter what obscure operating system you're going to use you're still going to use Google source code because Google has everyone on their side to back up the use of scripts which any proprietary operating system is obsolete no matter how good it is because it is absolutely inferior to Google and without Google scripts you can't even use the higher functions of the internet so you might as well just be using a legitimate flip phone from the year 2000.
Microsoft should have gone with Geko 🦎 instead of chromium🙁
@Edward Routley XCloud being Microsoft's own platform means they could put it anywhere they like.
@reddit-turken safari uses webkit abd chromiums engine was forked from webkit
I think Microsoft should have gone with Webkit, it's also open source and they would have a lot of leverage considering that Apple basically develops it alone with some Linux guys nowadays, they wouldn't need to fight Google for features upstream or stuff like that.
@reddit-turken Well.... Chromium's Blink engine is a fork of Apple's WebKit, which is based on KDE's WebKit and KHTML, so Apple is actually before Google in the forking of code. So Safari is not based on Chromium, it's Chromium that's based on Safari, sort of...
They probably didn't wanted to take risk
I don't understand why 7 times as many PC-users use Chrome than Firefox. For a while Chrome was faster but these days Firefox is as good as Chrome. Perfect? No. But it is as fast, it has all the add-ons, it can easily be customized and there hasn't been a serious bug for a long time. Chrome spies on the users, Firefox won't as long as you don't allow it to do that. Did Chrome win the battle because mobile-phone users automatically get Chrome when they use Android?
To me, its the account. I just lazy to type my google account again, and also other account that i store in my password manager.
Because you also know that most of the websites are optimized for chrome and chromium derivatives. Google also does shady things like it takes much more time to load youtube on chrome rather than in Firefox because Google use obsolete apis in order to make their web apps appear slow in Firefox. Thirdly people are lazy and mostly don't give a damn about privacy.
Google tells you to try Chrome when you google search on Firefox
on mac (mb air 2017) it performance sucks in comparison to chrome based browsers and safari, for example. I'd love to use it, but it simply works worse then other browsers.
Like Firefox os, Firefox browser will also die slowly because Firefox users are not growing now. It's a fact. Future is either chrome or chromium derivatives like Brave, Edge, Vivaldi etc.
Oho my boi here getting exclusive content and newss
Consistent hard work pays :)
2:42 Geeko is just a rendering engine
JavaScript and WebAssembly code actually runs on SpiderMonkey in Firefox
@Vizman216, keep telling that to yourself that he has to keep telling it to himself.
True but it's a package deal. If you run gecko, your JavaScript engine is SpiderMonkey (the latest being the OdinMonkey engine) and Gecko is simply not built to handle anything else.
Gecko is the whole thing. SpiderMonkey is a part of Gecko (a part that can be built and run independently, but Gecko heavily relies on it).
@Darshan Agyat Keep telling yourself...never mind, Imma head out 😆
The merger I wish for : Mozilla + KaiOS + Cloudflare + ProtonMail + Duckduckgo + Nokia
Lol. I love most of them. But yeah, most of them have lost a lot in the past.
With a support of Google Play Store ♥️
Currently I use : Mozilla Firefox + Cloudflare + ProtonMail + DuckDuckGo.
DDG is excellent, but I highly suggest you guys switch to Ecosia. Privacy focused as well, but good for the environment too.
Him that page doesn’t mention a lot of other privacy focused search engines, such as start page. I trust Ecosia’s privacy policy and their transparency report, and being an environmentalist myself I think their unique approach has merit.
Last time I was this early, headphone jacks were considered an “Essential”.
They still could, if Essential wasn't dead
they still are
@@bbenny9033 not really, who really uses jacks in 2020, or 2021? More and more people have Bluetooth headphones since they're getting cheaper. What's the point in removing space that you can use for battery or cameras or literally anything else for a headphone jack that a small niche market needs. If you're broke and genuinely can't afford a Bluetooth headset, buy a cheap phone with a jack
@@elijah4168 the problem is, that often the "new space" ist really used
@@yoursocialnetwork451 it is. Why have batteries been getting bigger? Because less and less phone have a headphone jack
I don’t get it why this channel is growing this slowly even though they upload top quality tech videos in a such regular fashion !
finally a tech youtuber who knows what he is talking about
I just searched for kaiOS phones and dang the TELMA WI-KIF + 4G sounds like a good phone. Battery life, Bluetooth, wifi, GPS.
If you don't care that much about touch screens that is a very good phone, the only thing holding it back imo is the microSD storage limit.
I wish kaiOS phones had a better global market rather than just 3rd world countries. Haven't heard anything about kaiOS in South America.
Anything to give Firefox a boost is good news in my book.
wow a dislike already. glad to see even the haters got notifs turned on
a lot of fans also compete to see who can get the first dislike... I heard from youtubers that if you initially make your vidro private, dislike it, and only then make it public, the second dislike takes a lot longer to arrive
I have a theory that TH-cam creates dislikes artificially because sometimes it just can't be
I've had some random videos that didn't have even 10 views with a dislike, I had one where I uploaded a 5 seconds video with a picture (I was testing some editing stuff) with a bunch of numbers on the title and got a dislike
Amazing comment, buddy
I am surprised this is actually getting popular. I mean I get it it's pretty cheap, but I would have legitemately thought everyone was trying to move to the touchscreen based phones and trying to make that as cheap as possible
I'm literally watching this in Firefox on mobile. And also using it on PC too. I have never seen anyone using a feature phone, but I hope they will profit from this deal
I am in love with you content.
To be completely honest even if they could somehow get enough support to rebuild it for smartphones, they would get a lot of people to use it. As long as it has Linux and security. Pine phone is a Linux phone, sadly it's very underpowered but it's a step in right direction.
these feature phones are probably even more under powered than the Pine phone.
I am very excited. I have no use for it but it sounds exciting.
Please keep track of the developments. :)
Very interesting video. I'm actually quite intrigued to see where the platform may go from here. I'm tempted to pick up a Nokia phone with the existing KaiOS variant and see how it improves with Mozilla's new support! Great content!
Hello there I am EED. Love this idea. I am a huge fan aunt mozella and the Firefox community. I am glad that kaios is kicking off like a rocket and taking Firefox and two other users and developers. I hope these two companies smash together the right way.
All I need is spotify and I'm all in!!!
@chillidip: based on my experience with Firefox operating system I really don't think it could support something as complex as Spotify because I was seldom able to access basic web media besides I really garbage version of TH-cam which I had not seen in a long time and I really don't see any advantage of Firefox because it is absolutely inferior to using Android Apple or any Windows product that has ever existed even Windows 3.1 is better than Firefox the phone.
That awesome to hear that. And also, Huawei must support these guys whoever behind it.
I just want another Engine than Chromium to succeed as well as a new mobile OS to succeed... Seeing all that commercial, non-consumer-focused nonsense of Apple, Google, Samsung etc makes me cry
That Nokia phone is pretty cool, it's like a 2020 sleek refresh of a 90's nostalgia trip. I wish other phone companies started making phones with more joyfull colors.
Does this mean that Mozilla (or some other company) can potentially come out with a product like Firefox OS with the new codebase?
The only reason I can think that KaiOS is not adopting the tracker blocking is so they can have a revenue stream from ads. I'm not really comfortable with that.
Firefox BABY
Wow!! So information dense video... Great analysis...
Sounds pretty good to me.
I have worked on this project and launched two phones in France and West Africa. Shame it was stopped so soon. The big mistake IMO is choice of Orange partner who did not know what open source meant.
Here jio phone uses kiaos hongkong based.
i hope this works out for both companies, and i also hope they branch out to smart phones to give some competition to Android and iOS we need a new phoneOS.
I still miss WebOS. I think if had ended up somewhere else other than HP hands it would have succeeded.
@Lucas Zhu I know the whole story. I was expecting LG to use it on phones, not tv. Yeah, I know about Lune but it's work in prograss. Not really compatible with a lot of devices.
I was interested in this operating for a long time. I am still waiting for a qwerty KaiOS device made by Nokia or another western brand. I do wonder if someone is making that device. Do you have any hint on that?
I have the feeling nokia will make that one someday (since they got the asha brand back)
@@wordart_guian i do hope so too.
YES. Qwerty makes so much more sense than the T9s they've been reviving. Sadly the next phone they're resurrecting is XpressMusic
theres one called JioPhone 2 its from india and is way more cheap but it may not ship to your country
Lets hope Firefox-OS comes back. I hope this is a push towards it.
I just thought of Firefox OS and here your video comes
I love Firefox on my Android. I have yet to switch to it on Desktop though, but it's on my to-do.
Try Firefox preview on Android if you haven't yet. It's really nice :)
I want to love the new Firefox on mobile but the lack of gestures and dark mode for websites/DarkReader always makes me crawl back to Kiwi
Firefox OS turned back the time so much that TechAltar's hair is back too
It's back?
A thumbs-up for the topic.
Nice, thank you! Great explanation.
What about already released devices like alcatel 3088 or nokia 8110-4g, will they get the KaiOS 3.0 Update too?
Can't wait for a touchscreen KaiOS device. Been looking into getting a usable KaiOS device, but the closest I can get is the Jio Phone 2 which isn't available here in Paraguay and won't even properly work outside of India.
I WANT FIREFOX OS BACK PLEASE
unfortunately the Nokia 8110 does not receive an update. You will not receive version 3. Since it is running an older version 2.5, it is also listed in small print on the kai website ... unfortunately
I just want a third mobile OS that would rival ios and android.
@jocaguz18 Android isn't a monopoly, it's open source. Android and Google aren't the same thing. Fire OS is Android without Google services or apps as is Android in China
@jocaguz18 the truth is stranger than fiction because Google and apple as a business model are favorable to be on each other's side however no matter what Google copies aesthetically from Apple Android undoubtedly is a stab at windows specifically the portable market which in a programming concept Android is identical to Apple in terms of replicating program languages with script however Android specifically uses JavaScript which are favorable to Windows Google basically strangled Microsoft into giving up their proprietary formats which Microsoft used to monopolize the internet for so many years so it's undoubtable to say that Google and apple will definitely side with each other to take on the threat of proprietary programming however you cannot call Google and apple a bully because Microsoft had neglected the advancement of smartphones when they had the chance years ago because of small mindedness not realizing how touch screens can make small computers more viable and that's the reason why Microsoft is now a third party developer and for lack of a better term Microsoft is basically an Xbox toy company and Android is the only thing leading the business market if anything ever happened to Windows like Microsoft giving up on it completely Google would basically rule the world more than they already do and I don't see any reason to fight Google with Firefox because they use the same Google source codes as does everything unless it it would be useless anyway because Google could just blacklist it.
@Paradoxical Nightmare Android is definitely a monopoly for a business Enterprise users which is the exact same Monopoly Microsoft had built up for many years and now Google has stolen the portable industry by getting everyone on their side to use Google's source code over proprietary formats so no one really has a choice but to use Google software otherwisewhatever problems Google Apple and Microsoft have with each other they would definitely put that aside to get rid of some proprietary garbage like Firefox OS.
@Paradoxical Nightmare Sir despite Android being the holy Grail of Linux Google is still guilty of monopolizing software because Microsoft really had no choice but to except Google's new universal formats which in the end Google has control over and no matter what web browser you use it will still use Google's standard otherwise it will simply not work or be extremely limited. Consider the fact that Android has a limited lifespan which if you have an older version of Android that you like you would have no choice but to upgrade do you certain software because Google prevent you from downloading it even if your Android has all the necessary hardware.
@Paradoxical Nightmare Yes I understand but Google is still the one who controls to distribution of Android and can easily make Android upgradeable via SD card sold on their website or something like that instead of allowing users to be at the mercy of a carrier or going through a complex process of forcing a operating system update which can result in making a phone or tablet unusable.
I'd like to try that KaiOS, I just love how mozzilla value privacy. Sad I couldn't get my hands on those firefox OS phone.
Try to get a Nokia 8110 4G, Nokia 2720 Flip or Alcatel Go Flip 3. These are the best offerings currently to try KaiOS. I have a 2720 Flip and it's my primary phone. I really like it, since I got bored of smart phones. The one I still use has the purpose of having important apps on it and listening to music streaming services on the go, but that's it. If I want to talk to people and get away of social media, I'd rather turn to my Nokia. It's also A FLIP PHONE! Who doesn't like to flip a phone?!
I've had a Nokia 8110 4G for almost a year now. KaiOS has all the essentials and then some. If you don't mind T9 typing, a mildly slower experience, and the lack of most Android or iOS apps, then it's fantastic and the phones that run it are priced really well. It really doesn't hurt to get one, even if only to try it out for a while.
Ok with the information. Very useful. So, KaiOS is using actually an old version of FFox engine.
Is there exist another web browser for KaiOS or just the web browser included?
And my last question is: all the KaiOS devices will receive an update for the OS when the new version of Ffox was integrated on the OS?
I was thinking to buy a Feature phone for programming and testing purposes but now that I know about the OS I am in doubt.
Thanks in advance for a response.
You should also explore Linux phones. They're in their infancy, but I think they're gonna have a huge future.
I'm pretty excited about KaiOS but there aren't many phones here in the U.S. that supports it. Also some phones don't deliver such a great setup. I would be more interested if perhaps Firefox could collaborate with a phone manufacturer and build the best KaiOS phone. I'm not even sure if it's even profitable though...
The amount of improvements that Mozilla have made to Firefox since version 48 cannot be understated. Web standards, a parallelized CSS engine, full ARM64 support for the JavaScript engine, off-thread compositing & painting, WebRender, WebExtensions, WebAssembly, a huge amount of work to modularize everything for GeckoView, the list goes on and on. Hell the built-in tracker blocking you mentioned is also a pretty recent edition that took a number of releases to get to where it is now. This will be such a breath of fresh air for KaiOS if they can make this happen.
Yes, man I even forgot about the CSS engine speedup, so many things got improved.. using Rust was a good choice by Mozilla
So where is Google in this now? Or are they right out of the picture?
That's the power of open source, nothing really dies
I hope in half a decade we can see a branch of KaiOS become a smartphone OS player.
The issue is that kia is is an actual phone not a windows like kernel so it lacks far behind android unless kai became a modified android kernel like fire os.
Good new, Windows Phone OS should also come back or atleast open-source.
Brave, Edge, Opera is Chromium.. I want know why they picked Gecko!
It’s just better
@@tipsoftech4428 Where? The benchmark says Chromium is better for performance and ram usage
Luigi Tecnologo it really depends, Firefox has an issue where it won’t free up ram after you close the tab, but it also uses up less ram per tab, and BY FAR Mozilla has the better documentation
@@hexandcube I agree, but I don't think the real reason is that. Other big companies use Chromium without worring about it
@@tipsoftech4428 It definitely isn't. It's still a bit laggy
iwant firefox os back
_n o s t a l g i a_
I am less optimistic about KaiOS. According to stat counter, KaiOS has dropped 80% in terms of web traffic. We have just released a KaiOS app for my walkie talkie app (www.voicepingapp.com). We are #2 in utilities as of this writing and getting a whooping 20 users a day. We will put in a few more versions and hope it pays off.
I just want a blackberry style phone that has good maps, what’s app, a music streaming service, Uber, and a solid browser to do the rest.
You mean like a KeyOne or Key2?
JioPhone 2 in India is very similar to BlackBerry
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 I think he means not running Android
If Firefox wants to jump start their market share they need voice search.
fire video as always 🔥
there is a need for multi device support OS, like windows and linux can be installed in any x86 devices, there should be a mobile equivalent of this, OS with single image file which can be installed in any android device using TWRP
I have 20 dollar kai os phone. love it
I would like if Kai os could be installed on old phones to give it a second live and also people tend to forget that Androids only got android os as a choice and iPhone iOS, install another os without bloatware and obsolence would be great.
good morning
How to download firefox os on kaios tecno t901
Good rhythm! Yeah!
Phones aren't allowed in my school only small phones like this one so this is awesome
What do you use for all the animations sliding around on your videos?
The Digit 4G has reached a target price of 11 USD and Unisoc SC9863 has reached 136500 as AnTuTu score. I admit it, I'm a computer guy, so I wonder if b2g+Gaia could run on top of postmarketos so that an 11 USD piece of HW could possibly offer a DEX-like experience to anyone, whoever you are
Cant wait to reach KAIOs x10!!!
If Firefox OS gets close to KaiOS it literally means a threat to Android Go.
Good move from Mozilla! KaiOS is in the good way to be the best low price smatphones OS
Android go already do that job perfectly.
Don’t assume Nokia will push updated OSes onto its new feature smart phone range though
Wow, now I'm really thinking about switching. Not now at least, I'll see what happens, but I really do want to go back
i wish kaios enable contact sync like ios and android in their future version. these days it was odd if an internet capable phone limited to only import contact
Hopefully current phones can get the updates in the future.
Watch this with English auto-generated subtitles, and marvel at how many different variations Google can come up with to write "KaiOS".
it is interesting how nobody uses Firefox on their android phone, it is my daily on both pc and android and it is splendid.
cool! good to hear this
You just made my day!
How I wish those Lumia phones (especially entry-level ones) could be repurposed with KaiOS. That would be awesome!
Well, not KaiOS, but the Android4Lumia project is a thing
I have a question about KaiOS:
Is it possible to use the alarm clock with switched of phone like it was possible with legacy Sony Ericsson Phones from the 1999's ?
I would be pleased if you check that. Maybe with a testing video?
Would it be retro compatible for older Kai os phones? Or it would be hardware dependant?
Very useful browser KaiOS 😊❤️👈
I have 2 things to point out:
1. Why would google support its own investment, opt for opponent engine?
2. Kaios should handle updates themselves, since the phones are low costs, the manufacturers would rather save up by not pushing updates. Big problem like android.
Anddd, a new OS for smartphones (FinnOS) is releasing soon that will also revive FirefoxOS too!
If Firefox Os come back,,, I will create 15 canvas game and 15 app .... inshaallah.
Wao! .. very interesting news ... one question, is it possible to download this system to an Alcatel OT412 FirefoxOs
What kind of support does KaiOS need from Mozilla? The Firefox source code is completely open source.
They could have easily done what Google and Android device makes do with the Linux kernel. Fork the project and than rebase it against mainline every couple of LTS versions.
Currently using iOS 13 Beta and Android N. And probably add Nokia 2720 flip as my very personal phone.
I just want Maemo OS back.
I m going to install Firefox OS 🔥
Sounds good.
Is there any cheap kai os phone i could try out (Germany) ? Im really tempted to use such phone.
2020 i moved fully to firefox on my desktop, next mobile move
Good for people!
Which software do you use for creating your videos?
I hope they're contributing back to Firefox OS. Is MPL like GPL where you have to contribute back?