@jay2k480 CJ never willingly gets high at any point in the game. He got mad when Truth was smoking weed in the van on the way to San Fierro. Granted, the last thing CJ wanted to get even more high after the farm went up so it makes sense. I only ever remember him telling T-Bone, after being searched per Toreno's request, that he had a dub in his wallet and that it better be still be there. That's the only time it's mentioned that CJ smokes iirc
I think honestly part of it is the art style, funny aspects and meme worthy details as well as the incredibly relatable social themes and environment, story which can get us interested because it explores very real issues like gang life and crime, drugs, government conspiracy etc. Even family death, poverty espcially within racialized and gentrified poor black communities and even friendship drama and lessons around friendships and relationships in general. It's a very interesting game that even though it is a absurd parody, it's relatable to our real world and lives. I think that's what makes GTA and GTA SA special in general. GTA IV being the more depressing realistic take on our real life society. GTA V being very hollywood action movie esque and feeling like a thrill ride or like your in a movie featuring bank heisters in L.A or Hollywood and or California.
The Chappelle Show taught me what "Wet"was. The episode with Wayne Brady. He made Dave hit the joint and then said "I didn't know you liked to get wet". That PCP. 😂😂😂
@@CongoJohnnyDeppnah it was just underwhelming if they made it so las Ventura’s was bigger in terms of missions instead of just the heist woozie and mafia it would’ve been good
To me Ryder was somewhat of a tragic character. He was self medicating, numbing his anxiety maybe even pain. The drugs gave him more confidence but inevitably made him fall apart even more. He became childish, jealous and irrational. You can see him using through all the cutscenes, always wearing his sunglasses. His addiction was just there for us to see.
The main thing that makes people believe on the fallout is the lack of mention on rider when he was pushing the green saber, and the lack of mention from cesar basically he was only acknowledged as a traitor much later than it made sense, cj and cesar saw him and both just said smoke's name, if there was no falling out, then its just a failure in the writer's part, which makes it seen that he was not meant to be a traitor
Its because Ryder was not meant to betray Grove Street at all, its also why all his post appearences from Green Sabre are so weirdly broken and forced, splicing existing lines.
@@CharlesHitmanStoneThis literally never happened and I’m so tired of people saying this. MC Eiht did not leave. He has a video on TH-cam explaining Rockstar did not give him anymore lines for his character. It’s literally the writers fault. MC Eiht literally is apart of the GTA V theme song, he never left Rockstar or even had a fallout with them.
I was 15 when I first played San Andreas and I knew Ryder was a shermhead because I had a few family members who were addicted to it. Sad that I knew the effects of it on people from a young age, even though I didn't know what sherm actually was.
@@adamlauer1096 True , crossover characters is hard for someone like Ryder to compete with because he died early but his personality stood out . Ken was a cokehead square who was always too reliable on Tommy and CJ not to die . He really didn’t belong in the crime scene , that’s why he was a pushover in Vice City and San Andreas .
Feel like Ryder's story shouldve been that he wasnt a traitor as nothing in the campaign hinted at him betraying Grove Street unlike Smoke. Should've died fighting The Ballas in The Green Sabre mission after CJ tells him and Sweet about Smoke sold then out
ryder was a loose end and he would probably get jealousy of cj's success.... thats like you winning the lottery on tv and everybody within 1.2 mile radius knows who you are and where you live
@@Lupo32 i mean would he tho? Like even after The Green Sabre he showed no real desire to go far in life. Hell take away the betrayal all he wanted was The GSF to be respected, Get High and put The Ballas down. Hence why I think he should never have been a traitor as other than The Introduction Movie, he showed literally no desire to betray them
@@Lupo32 that makes no sense tho as again there was no inkling to him being a traitor or anything but loyal to GSF as he never backed up Big Smoke and even helped kill some dealers. Think about his missions, all were to make GSF strong again
Man you said it perfectly; gang life IS watered down AF tho. Ever since CJ got out Grove Street, things got cracking for him. He got stuck in Red County for a minute, sure. But then? The Garage, formed into a business. Then? The showroom. Zero's shop. The airstrip might not be very profitable, but the stake in Woozy's casino probably made up for that! That's why I loved SA, man. Showed me what's capable when you decide to take nothing and turn it into something! How staying in your comfort zone could rob you of these opportunities. Y'know?
This actually makes a lot of sense, Ryder hooked on pcp and his growing jealously and resentment of CJ, lack of intelligence, being snake-ish, makes sense. This is a disturbing betrayel.
Yea but Ryder was supposed to help CJ but MC Eiht had the falling out w Rockstar & that’s why we got what we got. When Cesar shows CJ that Smoke & Ryder were w the Balla’s, CJ has no reaction to Ryder being there cuz that wasn’t part of the original script/plan.
@@YesMan7331MC Eiht did not have a fallout with Rockstar. He explains this in a video on TH-cam that Rockstar gave him no more lines for his character. It was the writer’s fault. MC Eiht was also apart of GTA V so there was never a fallout.
I really hate that Rockstar remove these cutscenes from the final game. I mean the depth it adds to the story is on the level of GTA IVs quality at points. I mean this really is the most clear cut explanation for ryders betrayal.
All these cutscenes and voice lines are in the game. It's just the way rockstar makes their stories, characters are constantly doing things you never question until someone explains it like this
The fact that they removed it adds a great value to the afterlife of the game,, all the research behind voice lines, missions , removed objects,, it allows people to piece stuff together, build conspiracies, it keeps the game alive years later
And if you go behind the counter in pizza stack the employees are wearing Jordan 3s. Rockstar always sneaks real world shoes on to some character pc models in every gta game. I don’t know if they ever expected us to notice.
If you could carpet surf for pcp, Ryder would be doing it 24/7 between missions, whether he had some or nothing. Great take as always man, your videos are god tier. All the times I played the mission "Ryder" and it never fully hit me that ryder's lines on the way to the barbershop were complete senseless gibberish, bordering word salad
I actually liked Ryder a lot. I wish he stayed loyal. I hated killing him. Ryder always made me laugh... 10:21 NINJA STYLE 4:32 "Ryder, not this again" "IT AIN'T ME FOOL" Ryder is awesome 😂😂😂
Whether he was meant to be a traitor or not, either way, it still doesn't change the fact that Ryder's betrayal was poorly written since he's all of a sudden relegated to an unimportant minor character halfway through the storyline. I wouldn't have minded Ryder becoming a traitor had they made his betrayal more impactful of the storyline and his motives much clearer. That's one of the problems I have with Rockstar. They tell a lot more than they show. It's a shame how one of the most iconic characters in the game got so much wasted potential.
Nah, thats just the pace of the story. Ryder was never meant to be a major character like smoke, Ryder was more like a minion to smoke nothing about Ryder indicated that he was a more pivotal figure to the overall story of San Andreas. Ryder is just a memorable character for us but he was always small time.
@@DirtyDev Well if he wasn't pivotal to the storyline, then why have him as a main character at the start? Why have him as a GSF member? Better yet, why even have him in the game at all? What was even the point of his existence in the game if he wasn't an important character? Even OG Loc of all characters played a more important role than Ryder in the story. I would much rather have him not even be included in the game at all than to be written this poorly as a traitor.
I like how tenpenny smells the wet and says smells good what’s cooking. From what I heard it smells terrible. But great video sir I overlooked a lot of these small details showing is character
I always heard Ryder wasn’t intended to be in the betrayal and was just written in last minute. Reason why cj and tempanny only address smoke when it’s discovered. This story is real illuminating. Rockstar truly knows how to write timeless stories that we can unpack more and more 20 years later!
It’s true. It’s not some deep thing, he WASN’T going to originally betray cj but the voice actor left and other stuff happened with production so they wrote it in hastily
Me and my friends recently have analysed the same topic and we got to the same conclusion. That Ryder was always supposed to be a traitor. We actually found a lot more proof in game that that's the case, but I love how you emphasise the PCP addiction. It feels like it has been the main reason why Ryder made this decision. Because if I'm honest with you his personality doesn't hint it at all. But yeah, good video, man! P.S. Love your accent, bro : D
Made sense to me they introduce this dude literally cooking Sherm(PCP) a detail people not aware of the drug life would miss right away. The minute i saw that and the fact that ALL his missions don't pay shit I knew he was gonna fuck us over.
hey kb i love all of your content bro you have made me look at gta 3, san andreas and vice city plus 4 and 5 stories completely differently and that's pretty impressive to me considering that I watch a lot of story breakdowns on gta from people like the professor and dark viper but you do it the best I hope you have continued success and hopefully once your done with gta series maybe you'll go into other games like more videos about bully or max payne, mafia, sleeping dogs, the warriors or newer games like cyberpunk or mortal kombat 1 whatever you do I'm sure its gonna be elite like always!
MC Eiht doesn’t play video games that’s why. He just helps Rockstar out whenever they call him up. He made the theme song for GTA V and has no idea. He never played GTA SA or GTA V still to this day. He only knows what his character Ryder looks like and the lines he said lol.
@@JohnSmith-id8wv DJ Quik didnt push MC Eiht around. You’re just talking. If joining Death Row and getting Suge & Bloods to jump someone for you is considered gangsta; then I know you’re soft. DJ Quik only did what he did at that awards night because Suge and Bloods were there. Quik NEVER confronted MC Eiht by himself lol. When Quik officially confronted MC Eiht; DJ Quik was the one who squashed the beef. Stop spreading misinformation.
Crazy mayne I never caught any of this as a kid of course to look at it now makes things in the story a lot deeper Ryder was very much on his way to becoming a crack addict just like Bear.
Bruh i swear, i never knew San Andreas had so much story. When me, my bro, and my cousin played, we just kept putting in cheats and killing each other xD
*It's not Suprising Ryder betrayed Sweet and CJ I mean Ryder shows his disgust at times, constantly saying rude remarks and everything, he is also easily frustrated...🤷*
If u a bone thugs & 3 six mafia fan, u already knew wat sherm was. This game came out when I was 12-13. I’m 33 now & still wish they made another part or version to this game. GTA SA was for the culture frfr
Thank You!!!!! I been arguing forever that Ryder was ALWAYS a snake in the game, not changed later. I mean, he was supposed to be Grove and had a PURPLE car!!!!!!
Is it just me or is his hat like a dark purple too? I always thought it was black but looking at it now it definitely looks purple. Would be crazy if he wore both purple and green the whole game and we just never noticed it 🤣
Ryder being a traitor was poorly written and really messy wich is kind of in-character for him as he is the most chaotic character in this game and also high non stop
So Ryder was meant to be a traitor all along, always discovering something new about GTA SA, but I suppose Ryder wasn't suppose to be a traitor at Green Sabre
This is an awesome sanalysis video taught me a lot and I appreciate the interview with the voice actor as well good to know and put that a rumor to bed.
12:00 I don’t care what anyone says if I’m CJ this situation would have screamed red flags to me that Ryder was dealing with the enemy and not to be trusted.
Never realized Ryder was smoking PCP I always thought it was just pot Also never realized the Well Stacked Pizza Ryder takes CJ to isn't even in the Grove! Amazing
Thank you. You’ve said many points I’ve had in mind for years. There’s no undoing Ryder’s betrayal because that’s the way it is. He’s a hypocrite, a rat and a backstabbing snake.
The entire story would be so much better if Ryder's pointless ass was taken out entirely. He's the most pointless character of the entire game and had no importance at all. He ruined the entire first half of the game for all of us by dragging it all down. If Ryder was just taken out of the game altogether, then the storyline would be perfect.
@toystory4ever95 You spend the first half of the story trying to rebuild ties in GSF after CJ left all those 5 years, if he ruined the game for you, then say that instead of adding "all of us". Ryder's personality, despite him being a jerk to CJ is why he's memorable including the missions you would do for him. He plays the role of the helper during the tutorial for new players as well, like when they go to the army base to steal crates or target practice at Emmett's.
@@aweirdredtoad3637 No, he provided nothing significant for the storyline at all, and you know it. He was 100% pointless, and the story would have been way better if he was cut out entirely. He ruined the entire first half of the story.
It’s crazy playing this as a 10 year old only to find out at 26 Ryder was smokin pcp the whole time 😂
I always wondered why cj didnt wanna hit a lil bit of that good green makes sense now 😭
Ryder says it plain as day in one of the early CJ missions. Where he talks about burying the “water” in his backyard.
@@MoolahJacksonhe was 10 bro he prolly thought water was slang for that or sum lol
@jay2k480 CJ never willingly gets high at any point in the game. He got mad when Truth was smoking weed in the van on the way to San Fierro. Granted, the last thing CJ wanted to get even more high after the farm went up so it makes sense.
I only ever remember him telling T-Bone, after being searched per Toreno's request, that he had a dub in his wallet and that it better be still be there. That's the only time it's mentioned that CJ smokes iirc
@@corey5712I can see definitely see that
It’s amazing how this game is now 20 years old and still has us in a chokehold
Aye fr lol vice city still be hitting too
Crazy how it is 20 years old!!😮😮😮 time flies!! I haven’t played GTA since this game.😅
Old Rockstar will always be legendary
Great games can do that
I think honestly part of it is the art style, funny aspects and meme worthy details as well as the incredibly relatable social themes and environment, story which can get us interested because it explores very real issues like gang life and crime, drugs, government conspiracy etc. Even family death, poverty espcially within racialized and gentrified poor black communities and even friendship drama and lessons around friendships and relationships in general.
It's a very interesting game that even though it is a absurd parody, it's relatable to our real world and lives. I think that's what makes GTA and GTA SA special in general. GTA IV being the more depressing realistic take on our real life society. GTA V being very hollywood action movie esque and feeling like a thrill ride or like your in a movie featuring bank heisters in L.A or Hollywood and or California.
There was me thinking he was smoking weed all this time 😮
Same
Weed mixed wit pcp💯 Brody def put the pieces together with this vid
Aye welcome to the party! Theories behind this game never gets old!!
@@juniorbeastgaming2304Or embalming fluid (like my uncle)
They said “wet” in the game lol
The “wet” “water” and “shermhead” references went over my head because I know little to nothing about drugs and just thought it was 90s lingo for weed
The Chappelle Show taught me what "Wet"was. The episode with Wayne Brady. He made Dave hit the joint and then said "I didn't know you liked to get wet". That PCP. 😂😂😂
@@babygfeva is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a b*tch
Embalming fluid dipped cigarettes....not a good choice
@@JBoss44 That's formaldehyde. PCP is an outdated anesthetic.
Ya I always thought it was weed but was confused when I heard those terms. Wet weed, what!? Now it all makes sense.
San Andreas was the greatest GTA game of the century
the part at las venturas was mid
@@CongoJohnnyDepp facts boring as hell
@@CongoJohnnyDeppnah it was just underwhelming if they made it so las Ventura’s was bigger in terms of missions instead of just the heist woozie and mafia it would’ve been good
Some 6 GTA games...dumbass NPC
@@CongoJohnnyDeppbuggin bro
in that cutscene in the intro, Smoke is actually threatening Ryder. Ryder wasn't plotting with him.
It looked like he was in on it to me
@@RavenLordOfficials Big Smoke is using code language and speaking in riddles and shit like he does throughout the game.
@@RavenLordOfficials I agree
@@AvrahamDialloagreed
@@RavenLordOfficialsoriginal story for Ryder was different. Delays in production caused his story to change because his voice actor had to leave
To me Ryder was somewhat of a tragic character. He was self medicating, numbing his anxiety maybe even pain. The drugs gave him more confidence but inevitably made him fall apart even more. He became childish, jealous and irrational. You can see him using through all the cutscenes, always wearing his sunglasses. His addiction was just there for us to see.
The main thing that makes people believe on the fallout is the lack of mention on rider when he was pushing the green saber, and the lack of mention from cesar
basically he was only acknowledged as a traitor much later than it made sense, cj and cesar saw him and both just said smoke's name, if there was no falling out, then its just a failure in the writer's part, which makes it seen that he was not meant to be a traitor
That’s Cause MC Ehit left early. Ryder might’ve had a bigger role
Its because Ryder was not meant to betray Grove Street at all, its also why all his post appearences from Green Sabre are so weirdly broken and forced, splicing existing lines.
@@Kacpa2 i like that version much more than him being a undercooked part of the plot as a villain
@@CharlesHitmanStoneThis literally never happened and I’m so tired of people saying this. MC Eiht did not leave. He has a video on TH-cam explaining Rockstar did not give him anymore lines for his character. It’s literally the writers fault. MC Eiht literally is apart of the GTA V theme song, he never left Rockstar or even had a fallout with them.
@@KIPPZY i knew it was the writers
CJ called him a “ShermHead” couple times throughout the game🤷🏻♂️
And his license plate says SHERM too🤣
@@granaga031😂😂😂 I didn't notice that lol
Ryder u sherm head 😂
*In the later stages*
It was a blunt dipped in water so yeah he still a shermhead
Swear this shit dropped this morning lol tf
😂 had to go back and add something
i always knew sum was up when homie dug up his entire backyard for sum weed smh.
...He wasn't looking for weed. He said that he was looking for his "Water" PCP
I always wondered why he called it water. I thought he just meant that he needed it.
@@reedstephens7745 ...😂
@@reedstephens7745same
"now make that mf toilet sparkle" 😭😭😭
😭😭
😭😭
I used to laugh at that every time as a kid
😂😂😂😂
😂
I was 15 when I first played San Andreas and I knew Ryder was a shermhead because I had a few family members who were addicted to it. Sad that I knew the effects of it on people from a young age, even though I didn't know what sherm actually was.
Just saw similar symptoms i take it?
Ryder is a GTA character that can’t be duplicated . Top 3 supporting character .💯
Roman, Ken, little Jacob. Ryder isn't really on the same level he's just kinda mean and pretty funny. His story is so rushed.
@@adamlauer1096 Ryder is definitely better than Ken Rosenberg 😂.
@@SkeemoGaming really? I think Ken is fascinating
@SkeemoGaming it's really just opinion to each their own
@@adamlauer1096 True , crossover characters is hard for someone like Ryder to compete with because he died early but his personality stood out . Ken was a cokehead square who was always too reliable on Tommy and CJ not to die . He really didn’t belong in the crime scene , that’s why he was a pushover in Vice City and San Andreas .
Feel like Ryder's story shouldve been that he wasnt a traitor as nothing in the campaign hinted at him betraying Grove Street unlike Smoke. Should've died fighting The Ballas in The Green Sabre mission after CJ tells him and Sweet about Smoke sold then out
ryder was a loose end and he would probably get jealousy
of cj's success....
thats like you winning the lottery on tv
and everybody within 1.2 mile radius knows
who you are and where you live
@@Lupo32 i mean would he tho? Like even after The Green Sabre he showed no real desire to go far in life. Hell take away the betrayal all he wanted was The GSF to be respected, Get High and put The Ballas down. Hence why I think he should never have been a traitor as other than The Introduction Movie, he showed literally no desire to betray them
@@TheMuldoonFella
Or he could pull a dutch van der lin....
It wall all 🐂💩 and he was crazy from the start
@@Lupo32 that makes no sense tho as again there was no inkling to him being a traitor or anything but loyal to GSF as he never backed up Big Smoke and even helped kill some dealers. Think about his missions, all were to make GSF strong again
What about when Ryder was practically giving away info about CJ’s mother’s death and Smoke cleverly tells him to shut up?
this game was ahead of it’s time, straight classic
Well, ppl don't understand Ryder's betrayal bc in the mission green Sabre Ryder's name isn't mentioned.
This kinda vid is a dying breed. I seen your gta 4 vids too. This is like eating ur fav snack or watching ur fav childhood cartoon. I’m in love 😍
You were the first one i know that factored in pcp with why ryder betrayed cj.
Answered a LOT of questions about the betrayal.
TH-cam wrong for making you reupload. Great video though brother
He added MC Eiht interview that voiced Ryder telling about the rumored fallout
@@jashonharris I realized as soon as I watch the vid 😂 that’s on me
Man you said it perfectly; gang life IS watered down AF tho. Ever since CJ got out Grove Street, things got cracking for him. He got stuck in Red County for a minute, sure. But then? The Garage, formed into a business. Then? The showroom. Zero's shop. The airstrip might not be very profitable, but the stake in Woozy's casino probably made up for that! That's why I loved SA, man. Showed me what's capable when you decide to take nothing and turn it into something! How staying in your comfort zone could rob you of these opportunities. Y'know?
i feel like a lot of people miss this message
4:33 "It ain't me fool" 🤣 That line always cracks me up.
😂 like who else could it be?
No one else is that small 😔
@@joeburch6754"I feel sorry for your Dad."
This actually makes a lot of sense, Ryder hooked on pcp and his growing jealously and resentment of CJ, lack of intelligence, being snake-ish, makes sense. This is a disturbing betrayel.
Yea but Ryder was supposed to help CJ but MC Eiht had the falling out w Rockstar & that’s why we got what we got. When Cesar shows CJ that Smoke & Ryder were w the Balla’s, CJ has no reaction to Ryder being there cuz that wasn’t part of the original script/plan.
I think Ryder was supposed to be the original Lamar type character. Hatin his homie for doing better & being kinda jealous but still a homie
@@YesMan7331MC Eiht did not have a fallout with Rockstar. He explains this in a video on TH-cam that Rockstar gave him no more lines for his character. It was the writer’s fault. MC Eiht was also apart of GTA V so there was never a fallout.
@@KIPPZY Oh ok thanks for clarifying
Ryder was my favorite
You have become one of my favourite content creators. That video about Franklin & Lamar's relationship was solid. Keep it going 💯💯
I love how the vocals just get pitched down over time
Didn't expect to see you here 😂
Makes it sound like a mixtape interlude
mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnn i thought ryder was just on the blunt with zaza this whole time im mind blown
Seemed odd to me, weed was never Ryder to my eyes.
Wasnt no zaza back then, just dirt weed and some butt naked.
Weed dipped in water it was za just not za alone 😂
Your GTA deep dives are absolutely inspired. Great work
Smoke was the biggest snake to me.
Smoke a real one 😤
@@eviljesus6111why was he wearin Grove colors while turnin his back on em then?
@@neinja66469 representing tha grove an shit na mean?
It was so nice, he uploaded it twice
He added MC Eiht interview that voiced Ryder telling about the rumored fallout
I really hate that Rockstar remove these cutscenes from the final game. I mean the depth it adds to the story is on the level of GTA IVs quality at points. I mean this really is the most clear cut explanation for ryders betrayal.
All these cutscenes and voice lines are in the game. It's just the way rockstar makes their stories, characters are constantly doing things you never question until someone explains it like this
They are nor cut at all. Its car conversations that he placed weirdly in different location.
The fact that they removed it adds a great value to the afterlife of the game,, all the research behind voice lines, missions , removed objects,, it allows people to piece stuff together, build conspiracies, it keeps the game alive years later
What cutscenes were removed? I remember all of these
@@1gmontanawhich cutscenes
Dawg being from LA I’ve always been TERRIFIED of PCP and sherm. The stories I’ve heard bro…. Give me chills till this day.
My friend was addicted to the stuff I saw him pick up an entire ass fridge and throw it across my apt in anger out of fucking nowhere.
@jackd6881 that would've been the last time i ever saw buddy ass
@@lucyfir2166 He got clean but yeah that was the last time I saw him on that shit.
Them shoes look like Jordan 5s WTF 😅
They are lol
I came to comment this lol
And if you go behind the counter in pizza stack the employees are wearing Jordan 3s. Rockstar always sneaks real world shoes on to some character
pc models in every gta game. I don’t know if they ever expected us to notice.
When u explain it like this ryder looks like a crackhead and I never noticed 😂😂😂i thought he was just funny lol
Dawg 😂😂
😂
If you could carpet surf for pcp, Ryder would be doing it 24/7 between missions, whether he had some or nothing.
Great take as always man, your videos are god tier. All the times I played the mission "Ryder" and it never fully hit me that ryder's lines on the way to the barbershop were complete senseless gibberish, bordering word salad
I actually liked Ryder a lot. I wish he stayed loyal. I hated killing him. Ryder always made me laugh... 10:21 NINJA STYLE
4:32 "Ryder, not this again"
"IT AIN'T ME FOOL"
Ryder is awesome 😂😂😂
The clucking bell cashier always makes me think of Luke Wilson in Idiocracy
“Yeah Cj , you can drive homie “😭😭😭😭
😂😂
Whether he was meant to be a traitor or not, either way, it still doesn't change the fact that Ryder's betrayal was poorly written since he's all of a sudden relegated to an unimportant minor character halfway through the storyline. I wouldn't have minded Ryder becoming a traitor had they made his betrayal more impactful of the storyline and his motives much clearer. That's one of the problems I have with Rockstar. They tell a lot more than they show. It's a shame how one of the most iconic characters in the game got so much wasted potential.
Perfectly said👏🏾
Probably cause they didn’t want to expand on the story because of working the actors
ryder is very snake or rat like .... like lance vance, demiti rascolov
and micha bell
Nah, thats just the pace of the story. Ryder was never meant to be a major character like smoke, Ryder was more like a minion to smoke nothing about Ryder indicated that he was a more pivotal figure to the overall story of San Andreas. Ryder is just a memorable character for us but he was always small time.
@@DirtyDev Well if he wasn't pivotal to the storyline, then why have him as a main character at the start? Why have him as a GSF member? Better yet, why even have him in the game at all? What was even the point of his existence in the game if he wasn't an important character? Even OG Loc of all characters played a more important role than Ryder in the story. I would much rather have him not even be included in the game at all than to be written this poorly as a traitor.
I like how tenpenny smells the wet and says smells good what’s cooking. From what I heard it smells terrible. But great video sir I overlooked a lot of these small details showing is character
Tenpenny was a junkie too, so to him it smelled nice
Its the worst smell ever.
I know this game word for word till this day 😂😂😂
Facts haha
Good ole betrayal. Humanity's dilemma 😅
I played this game as a kid, and never noticed Ryder had a drug addiction until the scene where he’s digging up his back yard
I always heard Ryder wasn’t intended to be in the betrayal and was just written in last minute. Reason why cj and tempanny only address smoke when it’s discovered. This story is real illuminating. Rockstar truly knows how to write timeless stories that we can unpack more and more 20 years later!
It’s true. It’s not some deep thing, he WASN’T going to originally betray cj but the voice actor left and other stuff happened with production so they wrote it in hastily
@@koibitocorazon6365 not true
@@nogginplopisbacknot true huh??? Even when the main story writer confirmed it??? But YOU know better huh? Lmao gtfoh
Ryder definitely smoking dips all of it not a little bit.
Nice reference
Me and my friends recently have analysed the same topic and we got to the same conclusion. That Ryder was always supposed to be a traitor. We actually found a lot more proof in game that that's the case, but I love how you emphasise the PCP addiction. It feels like it has been the main reason why Ryder made this decision. Because if I'm honest with you his personality doesn't hint it at all. But yeah, good video, man!
P.S. Love your accent, bro : D
5:42 Floyd Mayweather jr in the background on the poster. After all those years of playing this game I’m just now catching that!
Made sense to me they introduce this dude literally cooking Sherm(PCP) a detail people not aware of the drug life would miss right away. The minute i saw that and the fact that ALL his missions don't pay shit I knew he was gonna fuck us over.
'YOU CANT STOP ME' -ryder
I love his signature “mahnipbuhlahded”
Bro I just came across this channel and I’m gonna sit here and watch these as you took the time to deep dive into the inner works of GTA lore
If you pay close attention to ryders feet he was wearing air Jordan 5s
hey kb i love all of your content bro you have made me look at gta 3, san andreas and vice city plus 4 and 5 stories completely differently and that's pretty impressive to me considering that I watch a lot of story breakdowns on gta from people like the professor and dark viper but you do it the best I hope you have continued success and hopefully once your done with gta series maybe you'll go into other games like more videos about bully or max payne, mafia, sleeping dogs, the warriors or newer games like cyberpunk or mortal kombat 1 whatever you do I'm sure its gonna be elite like always!
I dont agree with everything said but great work Man!
MC Eiht doesn't even know which GTA he's in lol
MC Eiht doesn’t play video games that’s why. He just helps Rockstar out whenever they call him up. He made the theme song for GTA V and has no idea. He never played GTA SA or GTA V still to this day. He only knows what his character Ryder looks like and the lines he said lol.
He ain’t really gangster either. Quik was always pushing that fool around lol
@@JohnSmith-id8wv DJ Quik didnt push MC Eiht around. You’re just talking. If joining Death Row and getting Suge & Bloods to jump someone for you is considered gangsta; then I know you’re soft. DJ Quik only did what he did at that awards night because Suge and Bloods were there. Quik NEVER confronted MC Eiht by himself lol. When Quik officially confronted MC Eiht; DJ Quik was the one who squashed the beef. Stop spreading misinformation.
Crazy mayne I never caught any of this as a kid of course to look at it now makes things in the story a lot deeper Ryder was very much on his way to becoming a crack addict just like Bear.
Bro died an addict foo was tweaking out when he got capped
Bruh i swear, i never knew San Andreas had so much story. When me, my bro, and my cousin played, we just kept putting in cheats and killing each other xD
You know me I'm cool as a shaolin monk😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bruh this whole time I Thought he was smoking weed it was pcp what 😂😂😂
It hurt my heart to see Ryder switch up like tht 😢
I’m just now realising what “water” means in this game
well, most of this makes sense. still dont know why rockstar never explained it
Amazing video. I see ryder in a whole new light
this vid is gold 😂 played this when i was like 11, missed all these signs
I first played this at 13 and I understood nothing
He can’t stop me You Buster Carl!
😂😂
Did anyone else just choose to beat ryder with bare hands and not a gun
*It's not Suprising Ryder betrayed Sweet and CJ I mean Ryder shows his disgust at times, constantly saying rude remarks and everything, he is also easily frustrated...🤷*
Keep on doing videos like this this is gold
Love your channel my bro. Peace and love ✌🏼.
It’s embarrassing to be seen with you😂 Ryder was funny af
If u a bone thugs & 3 six mafia fan, u already knew wat sherm was. This game came out when I was 12-13. I’m 33 now & still wish they made another part or version to this game. GTA SA was for the culture frfr
Why am I just realizing who was doing Big smokes voice cover 😭🤦🏿 and that alone just made this game a real 💎
Thank You!!!!!
I been arguing forever that Ryder was ALWAYS a snake in the game, not changed later.
I mean, he was supposed to be Grove and had a PURPLE car!!!!!!
But we know the fact that Catalina is more lunatic than Ryder lol
Appreciate the video 🎥🍿
this gives me a new perspective
Hey.
Man, I needed to watch this.Just a calm down.I had a little outburst today and this actually helped me.
Is it just me or is his hat like a dark purple too? I always thought it was black but looking at it now it definitely looks purple. Would be crazy if he wore both purple and green the whole game and we just never noticed it 🤣
The best grand theft auto game ever. This game really need a part 2. The storyline was too good.
Best breakdown of Ryder
Ryder being a traitor was poorly written and really messy wich is kind of in-character for him as he is the most chaotic character in this game and also high non stop
So Ryder was meant to be a traitor all along, always discovering something new about GTA SA, but I suppose Ryder wasn't suppose to be a traitor at Green Sabre
Unused dialogue from photo opportunity confirms the revelation would’ve been in that mission instead
This is an awesome sanalysis video taught me a lot and I appreciate the interview with the voice actor as well good to know and put that a rumor to bed.
it'll never be put to bed, it's too far spread at this point
12:00 I don’t care what anyone says if I’m CJ this situation would have screamed red flags to me that Ryder was dealing with the enemy and not to be trusted.
U Explained It Best, I Woulda Never known but the way you did it you explained his addiction, his feelings and motives, reasoning for doing everything
Never realized Ryder was smoking PCP I always thought it was just pot
Also never realized the Well Stacked Pizza Ryder takes CJ to isn't even in the Grove!
Amazing
U deserve sm more attention fam, these videos go too hard too get this typa view count
Ryder never wanted to betray Grove Street. He was pressured by Big Smoke.
“It aint me fool”💀😂😂
Why is it a reupload
He added MC Eiht interview that voiced Ryder telling about the rumored fallout
@@jashonharris I see thank you for explaining
Yooo, it's my favourite asian Johnny Gat
seeing that clip from that Interview was cool.
I thought I watched this already clocked it was a upload thought it was 2 for 1 😂😂 my guy
Really appreciate your videos I’ve been binge watching!
Thank you a lot for being Relatable and inspiring
Thank you. You’ve said many points I’ve had in mind for years. There’s no undoing Ryder’s betrayal because that’s the way it is. He’s a hypocrite, a rat and a backstabbing snake.
The entire story would be so much better if Ryder's pointless ass was taken out entirely. He's the most pointless character of the entire game and had no importance at all. He ruined the entire first half of the game for all of us by dragging it all down. If Ryder was just taken out of the game altogether, then the storyline would be perfect.
@toystory4ever95 You spend the first half of the story trying to rebuild ties in GSF after CJ left all those 5 years, if he ruined the game for you, then say that instead of adding "all of us". Ryder's personality, despite him being a jerk to CJ is why he's memorable including the missions you would do for him. He plays the role of the helper during the tutorial for new players as well, like when they go to the army base to steal crates or target practice at Emmett's.
@MaeRose26 You need some mental help if you really believe Ryder was even a remotely decent character.
@@aweirdredtoad3637 No, he provided nothing significant for the storyline at all, and you know it. He was 100% pointless, and the story would have been way better if he was cut out entirely. He ruined the entire first half of the story.
@MaeRose26 And don't even bother reading that rewrite of GTA SA in fanfic, because it made the story even worse.
This is 🔥 well done
Him and Ray Boccino Was killed in the lamest way possible
@rockstar rockstar need to make a movie of all the GTAs !
The I feel sorry for your dad part was a menace to society reference, the whole scene is based off that movie scene in the liquor store. That’s dope 🤣
Ryder is supposed to be like eazy-E but I can hear some wiz khailfa