Zeus Vs Odin | Who's The Better God Of War Villain
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 มิ.ย. 2024
- When it comes to the God of War series, I feel like the main villains of the two main arcs, Zeus and Odin create an interesting contrast that are almost analogous to the eras of the franchise that they represent. One is brash, bombastic, and over the top, while the other is subtle and more subdued, with a greater emphasis on substance over Style. I've often said that these two eras of God of War are basically incomparable because they are so different. And whichever one you think is better is entirely down to personal preference. Well screw that, this is the internet, the place where nuance goes to die, so I've decided to pit Zeus and Odin against each other in a completely 100% objective comparison that will once and for all determine who was the better antagonist. We're going to be comparing these characters based on nine separate points. Introduction, Design, Theme Music, Connection To Kratos, Personality, Menace, Motivation, On Screen Utilization and finally the Boss Fight. making this a best of 9 series, so there has to be a winner determined by the end of this.
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Zeus. Because of how poetic it is. Zeus, fearing that he would suffer the same fate as his own father, set into motion events that would lead to his downfall and destruction of everything he built. The same fate Cronos suffered.
Odin more or less did the same tbh
@@danialyousaf6456 True, but the personal familial nature of the Greece saga is more personal.
Cronos also killed his father, well to be exact he cut off his junk.
@@danialyousaf6456yes and no Odin caused everyone around him to want him dead while Zeus had the entire Greek world on his side besides the very few characters that help kratos
I'm sorry you're using poetic when it comes to Zeus do you not know your Norse history Odin is literally the god of poetry
If I can use an action movie comparison, I'd say Zeus is a Commando-style villain. Beefy, Brutish, with some eloquent, memorable lines to make up for the fact that little strategy is needed to combat him.
Meanwhile, Odin is a Die Hard villain. Not the most physically imposing character, but uses cunning and mind games to get into the hero's head.
They are both a lot of fun, but at the end of the day, which one you prefer is down to your personal preference.
did you even bother googling events of real god of war?
Nice comparison
Odin is better imo
Odin is a weak ass villain
@@joker18524 guess that’s your opinion
Reading these comments really tells you that nobody finished watching the video and thought this was a deeply explained vs match like Death Battle
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If I'm being honest with you, when it comes to the Norse games, Baldur is far more interesting and far more challenging antagonist then Odin. His character from the moment he was introduced until his death was so memorable, his backstory, appearance, dialogue, voice, etc... it's all so good. He's this small but tough cookie and the final boss had more memorable and cool phases then Odin. It's always a treat whenever he shows up
Totally agree on that
Bro Baldur is fun af ngl Odin doesn’t feel as threatening. Honestly, I like both the Norse games but 2018 is better in my subjective opinion.
The fault with ragnarok as a whole (would like to mention that Ragnarök is still my favourite GoW game), is that it was for the most part Marvelized. If it had the same writing style as GoW 2018 or prior entres of the franchise for the most part, it would without a doubt been so much better than Zeus (imo).
Like should have been so much darker as its the end of the world we are talking about. Look at GoW 3. Now i dont mean everything should be gore-porn but there could have been more at stake, like Atreus being tortured by Freya or something.
That is why i wished we would have gotten a trilogy instead of two games and they could've been named God Of War, Fimbulvetr/Fimbulvinter, then Ragnarök. Or at least should have gotten a DLC for GoW 2018 called Fimbulvetr/Fimbulwinter, then GoW Ragnarök, and Valhalla.
Well he did say if this video did well he'd be comparing Ares and Baldur
Odin was mid... His power was talking 😂😂 they did Odin wrong... He was supposed to be a saruman type of carachter, yet, he was just an old man that wanted a mask...
Now i want Baldur vs Ares (best villian)
Baldur.
Ares definitely, he created the Kratos we all know and love
@@PrimordialChaos1 I would say Faye created the Kratos I am a fan of.
@@PrimordialChaos1that doesn’t make him a better written villain
Baldur no contest. Ares thinks of everything through the lens of war. Baldur is much more complicated and is a reflection of young kratos.
Comparing these two is kinda like comparing Tai Lung and Shen
One is a physical threat, the other is a mental threat
You know... that's a good example, Tai Lung is physically stronger than Shen, but Shen still defends himself with his weapons but excels in his ability to mentally damage his opponent, or well, the protagonist.
@@martinc8965 And then you just swap which one has the stronger personal connection to the protag
Funny enough, even in terms of mental threat, zeus was there as well and even more especially when he wasnt infected with the evils whereas odin was so impatient and a piss ass that even a dwarf manages to expose him.
@@tc-channelhobby4051 Zeus was at most involved in the death of Kratos' mother and in taking his brother when he was little, although he gave the order, the one who did leave him with the trauma was Ares.
@@martinc8965 all of this happened after he was infected with the evils, that's where he began to become erratic and why his actions began to waver and were questionable especially in ghost of Sparta and finally becoming full circle in god of war 2.
And yeah, ares is the one who gave him the most trauma along with the prophecy and the evils infecting him even though he tried to fight back against as shown in god of war 3 through Athena.
Zeus . Bro was so a menace that he even fooled Kratos to lose his powers and send him to hell
Great video, man. I feel like both were the best in what categories of villains they were. Zeus was a tyrant set on securing his power and authority over others through physical intimidation. While Odin was a master manipulator who was able to pose as a casual old man and create schemes to play all sides.
Although Zeus’s boss fight was better, both were perfectly executed for what villains they were meant to be.
zeus bossfight was pretty average , you are blinded by nostalgia.
@@shadowrealm3245 I just mean in scale, layers and compared to Odin’s boss fight. Not saying it was the greatest boss fight, just that it felt bigger.
@@shadowrealm3245baldurs boss fight was leagues better than Odin's.
@@shadowrealm3245 the games already showed enough with Greeks still above and having more to offer than the Norse will ever be.
There's a huge mistake in your video - introduction
Zeus made kratos to give in all his power to the blade. After that , there's no match for kratos to go toe to toe against Zeus. The point could have been gone to zeus
Couldn't kratos just...use the blade on zeus? if he wasn't trapped, what then?
@@blackmage665 He tried, then died.
It’s interesting, Zeus is what I valued most in my villains when I was younger, and Odin is what I value now. I would still think both are great, just completely different. Also, Kratos being Goldberg is a chef’s kiss moment.
Zeus was more regal and godly. Odin felt more like a village chieftain.
No Zeus looks like a bodyguard not godly.
@@supergirlvideoclips894 What the fuck makes you think "bodyguard" when looking at Zeus? Idiot.
@@supergirlvideoclips894 and a fairly stereotypical one, lots of muscle, little brain at least in what was seen in Gow 3, although well in that game everyone is an idiot. But Zeus is over the top
@@supergirlvideoclips894 bro never seen greek statues, ok ok .
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I was referring to the aura or vibes they both gave off. Odin seemed more human. Zeus had a supernatural presence to him. Odin (and I guess all the Norse gods) felt more...primitive???
Both villains are great but I feel Zeus is just that bit more memorable and better utilised. Also, I would love to see that Ares VS Baldur video!
I think Odin had more depth as a character. Zeus personality wise is mostly just a bully he doesn’t really display intelligence at all.
But he has some cool powers and a cool boss fight. But Odin has everything else so I think Odin is the better villain. That’s just my opinion
Okay so I LOVE Odin as a character but Zeus literally the reason Kratos even exists as the man we know.
A bunch of Titans and Gods are the reason why Kratos is the way he is
I think the point against zues about not knowing what to do after Kratos gets the blade of Olympus can be remedied by the speech the sister of fate has about giving Kratos and even zues all they have and being able to undo it, so under zues's order you could say they tugged Kratos string of fate making the statue slap him into a pancake
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I like this sort of comparison video, I'd be interested in seeing you do the same for something like GTA's villains.
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I think the reason we would likr Zeus more, is because hes Kratos Villain, while Odin is Loki's villain. While we play as Kratos in the norse games, the story really revolves around Odin.
Plus, if Im honest, Zeus was more fun to fight against.
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I think where Odin works as far as introduction is while this is the first time you meet him, you hear stories about him in the previous game. It paints a decent picture and is accurate to when you meet him.
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I've always seen Zeus as a tyrannical king and Odin as a corrupt mob boss. Zeus is extremely power-hungry and rules over his subjects with an iron fist, while Odin is more calm for the most part and often uses calculated trickery to get his way. Both archetypes are threatening in their own way and make for compelling villains as long as they're written and presented well, which both are in my opinion. They really are two sides of the same coin. But when it comes to which you like more, at the end of the day, it's all a matter of preference like you said.
Easily Zeus imo
Well only bc we hated Zeus but Odin never did anything to kratos
Hard disagree
@@Domie_YT he did everything to Kratos’s friends tho
@@thepandasamurai228 Why? I would like to hear your opinion
@@mastergod101 Zeus is a cool villain Lightning powers is one of my favorites he is also very powerful as he destroyed Sparta alone. But personality wise and goals he is seriously tame, he is just boring, have you seen Ozai that’s how Zeus is, Zeus is just a bully, while Odin talks nice makes friends then betrays them, has impact on ALL of the side characters, people might say but Zeus did more than Odin, but he really didn’t, Odin turned ever one in the cast Brok, Sindri, Freya, Mimir into a shell of there former selves because of his actions he also oredered the giants to be genocided just because they didn’t share their knowledge to him he imprisoned Tyr. Both Zeus and Odin had a massive impact on the plot and I hate when people say “Odin just killed brok and that’s it” because it’s just false.
Odin is manipualitive and talks nice but like Zeus he is a power hungry bully look how he treats Thor. But he makes the people around him think that Odin couldn’t do this just because of his appearence.
Odin imo has better powers, Odin has a spear a whip, and a buttload of magic powers, while Zeus only has his fists and lightning.
Odin’s goals are more intresting he wants to know everything so he can be unchallenged and rule for eternity as the ultimate being this is why he needs the mask. While Zeus is just paranoid who Just wants to kill threats to his power which is very generic imo, he doesn’t desire more or have any ulterior motives he just wants to stop people, people who Zeus thinks will overthrow him.
So this is why imo Odin is a better villain than Zeus
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Zeus its not even close Odin was a tool though
Odin was conniving and I enjoyed the undercover twist but I still found him overall underwhelming especially his mcguffin quest
The one thing I think was better about Odin was that we learned more about him than Zeus, like with Zeus they don’t ever go in depth about his origin or any famous mythical tales involving him.
@@Bolbi145 we learned his origins and we could play with him in Ghost of Sparta but that’s it. That’s the nature of the Greek games
@@lightmohamed5700 I mean IN DEPTH, that goes for all the Greek gods and the greek world, like who created mankind, are the Titans gods, did Poseidon create horses, etc. In the first Norse game we learn how all Norse life was created, how Midgard was created, how Odin spent 9 days dead to gain knowledge, how the Sun was created, how the Dwarves were created, how the Sun and moon work etc.
Nah it was close. Both are hateable and manipulative af (one better at it) and throw their weight around to get what they want. Both great but although writing wise I’d say Odin was a lil better cuz we don’t need fear to possess Zeus cuz he was already evil. But I find Zeus a lil more hateable and more satisfying to kill and he has a better boss fight
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Prime GoW content from TBP as usual. Happy early 100K, and personally due to getting into God of War through Ragnarok i personally enjoy Odin as a character more through my experience but I can definitely see where Zeus is better to some if not most.
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If you know your mythology, the way both of them are utilized makes sense and is very fitting for their characters.
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Given how fleshed out Zeus was over 3 full games and its spinoffs, it’s no contest he has the overall better story arc.
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Zeus has something Odin lacks. Presence. He is powerful and intimidating. Every scene he is in commands your attention. And having the voice actor for Count Dooku really helps.
Another aspect of odins character design is that his tattoos are imbued with the magic of his ravens, or vice versa. In his intro when he called back his ravens they became his forearm tattoos. Every other time, i believe, we see him he doesnt have the tattoos so his ravens are out watching. A neat little detail for us since other people also have tattoos imbued with magic. Or the tattoos are a vessel for the magic to travel through idk. We also saw baldurs tattoos light up whenever his curse was lifted.
Almost everyone in 2018 and ragnarok has tattoos. To what degree they are fashion or magic i dont know.
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Great video! I agree with all of your main points and scoring system, and I'll comment on two additional points:
- Odin's fight really felt like an afterthought. Baldur, Zeus, and Thor all had encounters that showcased their power which was elevated after their first encounter with Kratos. While a direct confrontation with Odin is conceptually unfitting in the narrative of the game, a few glimpses at Odin's raw power through Atreus's eyes would have been great. The final fight was also severly lacking mechanically. Sure, he had a variety of spells and AoE attacks, but he had no defining feature outside of having combined most attacks you'd have encountered with standard enemies. What if we were stripped of various weapons during the fight and unable to harm him (say, he has an Ice shield and we only have the Leviathan axe at that time), making us rely on Atreus to break his shield so that we may go to town on him? What if he brought minor Norse gods out of nowhere (say they are oblivious to Odin's schemes or uncaring of them) for an impromptu 2v1, putting them in harm's way while he regenerates health? Some cinematic sections with some QTEs and grandiose moments (say, he's mortally wounded by Garm/Genrir, who originally kills Odin in the myths) would have also been welcome.
- Zeus' character needed to be a big brute so that we could emphatize with the brute who was our protagonist, but the "Hope-Fear" angle killed his character. Keeping his brutish, egoitistical, raw power qualities, maybe a fear that his offspring & underlings may dethrone him in a similar way that he did to Cronos in a vicious cycle would be more than enough motivation for him to do the things he did. In a way, Zeus would be a parallel to Kratos's views on family, bloodshed, and upholding the tyranny of the gods. The fear "entity" is thus so frustrating because it not only stripped Zeus of his agency as is mentioned in the video, it was also strictly unnecessary from a narrative perspective because it made it bloated.
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Love this. I really like all your categories and explanations, and I'm in lock step with you in every pick. If I'd suggest anything, it might be a round for "Conclusion" to bookend the one for "Introduction." Separate from Boss Fight mechanics, how does defeating each villain effect Kratos, effect them themselves, and lead to satisfying the story? In the end, I think Zeus is a better GoW villain for a videogame and how those are designed, and Odin might be a better villain for like, an actual movie or something.
I also want to add, that even though I agree Zeus is clearly more powerful and menacing, in defense of Odin, it should be noted just how impactful he is, as conveyed by *other characters* who do most of the legwork talking up his reputation. Or- in the case of the displaced commonfolk in Asgard- love him. Fear is one form of power, but it's a really neat exploration of godhood, when Odin asks Kratos if he knows what it's like to be worshiped and prayed to. That's another form of power altogether.
You gave Zeus a freebie with that moment one. Odin being tyr made you have to reply to really understand every moment Odin was really on cam.
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One thing I do love about this comparison is that the categories they seemed to win was important for what they're games were and the story they were telling.
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I wasn’t the biggest fan of Odin’s design at first but it grew on me, I understand why they chose it though, they had to make it match the prophecy mural and they couldn’t make him look too devious otherwise it wouldn’t make sense for Atreus to trust him.
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Been watching and enjoying your content for quite some time now and while i do believe that zeus is still the superior villain of the franchise, every single antagonist has their own unique qualities and that alone makes up for all of it even if they aren't that great to begin with.
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If angriboda wasnt in ragnarok i would say thats the best game of all time but halting the game for atreus to collect roots is the only thing that keeps me from replaying it again
If that's all your complaint is, then not bad for a 40+ hour game.
When it's a 2-3 hour segment, Ragnarok is interrupted to make you play as Atreus and the ONLY GOD KRATOS KILLS is Heimdall, yeah, I'd say the Norse games paled in comparison to the Greek games. I love Ragnarok and have 268 gameplay videos of it but still. I recognize where this game falls short.
The only entertaining kill on a god Kratos had in the Norse saga was MAGNI. And that's because Kratos didn't mercy kill him. Magni is stronger than Thor so Kratos didn't have a choice but to split his head.
@@martinc8965 i didnt say it was bad i said that section was the only thing keeping it from being my favorite game ever
@@FatalShotGG The friend is more concerned about which gods Kratos kills than WHAT gods Kratos faces.
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Seeing how the next God of War game is going to take place in Ancient Egypt. I wonder how Atum (Possibly the main villain/final boss), Ra, Osiris, Isis, Horus, Anubis, Net, Geb, Amun, Bastet, Hathor and Set are going to be portrayed in the next game. Speaking of which, I wonder if Sphinx from Sphinx and the Cursed Mummy is going to have a cameo.
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Great video…but I think you missed it a bit when it came to the themes. If referring to the themes for the final battles, then yes. But for the characters at the base, that’s a no.
Zeus’ theme shows up during the speech he gives to the other gods as Kratos ascends Olympus with the titans, before he kills Kratos and also in their God of War II fight. Odin’s theme is “The Hand of Odin” track on the Ragnarok album, which is a base for “The All-Father” theme that you played, though the part you played signified Kratos dominating him in their fight at the end.
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In terms of characterization and performance: Odin.
In terms of action and boss fights: Zeus.
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Personally, I've always felt that Odin was more Atreus' nemesis rather than Kratos'. Kratos is the player character, but the story itself is just as much, if not more, about Loki.
That’s true
Because kratos’ nemesis is actually Thor
Odin is atreus’ nemesis. They are frankly the exact same person with similar traits but raised under different circumstances
Good choice on the song, its objectively better BECAUSE it reuses part of the god of war 1 zeus wrath divine song that plays during the kratos clone war except it remixes it to be more triumphant as a callback
So video game final boss would you get if you were to combine both Zeus and Odin?
I’m probably too biased because I grew up with the old GOW games, but Zeus is easily my favorite.
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