Track Race #50 | Golf R vs Scirocco R vs EVO X vs Impreza vs Civic Type R
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ธ.ค. 2020
- From Best motoring series 2010
Volkswagen Golf R
Engine 1984cc 4 DOHC 16v
Max Power 256ps/6000rpm
Max Torque 33.7kgm/2400-5200rpm
Weight 1530kg
Volkswagen Scirocco R
Engine 1984cc 4 DOHC 16v
Max Power 256ps/6000rpm
Max Torque 33.7kgm/2400-5200rpm
Weight 1410kg
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR SST
Engine 4B11 1998cc 4DOHC
Max Power 280ps/6500rpm
Max Torque 43.0kgm/3500rpm
Weight 1540kg
Subaru Impreza WRX STI Version 10 A-Line
Engine F4 2457cc DOHC 16v
Max Power 300ps/6200rpm
Max Torque 35.7kgm/2800-6000rpm
Weight 1490kg
Honda Civic Type R
Engine K20A L4 1998cc DOHC 16v
Max Power 225ps/8000rpm
Max Torque 21.9kgm/6100rpm
Weight 1270kg
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/ jackkello - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
I love this Japanese tests.
It’s like a real life Gran Turismo.
Same thoughts ,) Good memories from gt1 gt2
GT was based on these videos
@@ciertkepmnnakk - Really? That’s cool.
i know it is pretty off topic but do anybody know of a good place to watch new movies online ?
@Hugo Beckham Try FlixZone. Just search on google for it =)
Evo x started last n ate those corners like a champ
@X Xl that was the reason why your father died
@X Xl I mean that evo isn't slow in the twisties and smack a bigger turbo on and she ain't slow in the straight anymore. That stock evo makes like 270 to the wheel. My big turbo evo makes 600awhp and it ain't slow.
Yeah, he is good. Probably it is caused by AYC
Awd maybe?
@@GabrielCsvpAYC= Active Yaw Control, part of the Evo S-AWC AWD system.
I love subies, but the automotive world misses the evo.
there still plenty around haha
Didnt know Scirocco is faster in straight line than evo, but man the X handling is sick
This may have been the Japanese 206kw 2008 Evo X, as opposed to the 221kw Evo Xs post 2008
@@McMeevin no, it was 2010
@@luka_abh Yes that is when the race took place, though the MY of this particular EvoX could have been 2008
Scirocco R is very quick. Not very heavy either
VW is probably flash tuned.
Owned the facelift Scirocco R for a couple years, absolutely loved it and still regret trading it in! It has so much more character than the Golf, which makes it more sad it has been discontinued.
Im looking to buy it as my first car will it be worth it???
@@AGUAPO the doors are very long and can be tricky to get out of in parking bays. The fuel consumption isn’t too great but if done right you’ll see 37mpg at best. The rear window is hard to see out of. So yes get the car! Those things won’t matter because you’ll love it. I recommend buying with DSG gearbox & putting on some Pilot sport tyres. It’s an absolute maniac on a stage 1 tune.
@@tormundgiantsbane6133 appreciate it g when ill get it and if i wont forget it i will let you know 💯💯
@@AGUAPO best car ever I own this beast of a car, 2015 model , highly suggest bro , stage 1 remap 👌🏽
@@AGUAPO go for the 2.0 tsi 178 BHP stock or the R line of course depending your budget
For all 4B11 & SST haters this video is for u to watch. We need the EVO be back not as a suv!
Evo 9 is still faster on the track than Evo X. Plus it's smaller and lighter
@@luka_abh totally different machines for different competitions landscape, haven been a X owner and driven IX few times. You could tell X is much more refined but properly fast car. IX does have more rough edges but more focused. It is sad that Mitsubishi canceled the super AYC on the VIII and IX here in USA. So the X out handles IX on tight mountain road for sure. Overall, I think the X GSR with lighter car weight(1520 kg) and 5 speed manual is the car to get here in USA- and I got one myself. BTW the JDM light weight RS version of the X is exactly same weight as the IX MR. And to complete in this group of refine German hot-hatch twins and STI the X is the better place to be and deliver almost same performance (stock form) than the IX. So I would call it the winner in this test.
@@rongchangwang1559 well yeah, RS versions are always 100kg lighter than normal version because they're bare bones, so an RS EVO IX would be still 100kg lighter than equivalent RS EVO X. On Tsukuba EVO IX is always 0.5-1 sec faster than EVO X, which is kind of a disappointment, since it always used to be that the newer EVO's were alwas faster than predecessor, and that's not the case with the X. Even though EVO X has an all aluminum engine, it's weight distribution isn't really improved. And EVO X's always lose in races to GRB STI's by a large margin too. Not saying it's a bad car, all EVO's are awesome, it's just that X wasn't that much of an improvement over the IX
SST will still shift quicker than manual, and the X’s AWD system is a lot more sophisticated, so those will more than make up for the extra weight.
@@alstound well, judging by races, they don't. On Tsukuba EVO IX is always faster than EVO X, and what's interesting that 5MT Evo X's are faster than SST versions
im here for the scirocco :D
me to
same buddy
high 5
Same here my man. I'm a proud Scirocco owner
The SST was obviously made for track and it does a amazing job at it. Just don’t understand why they build it with weak parts. If it’s not the fork magnet falling off then it’s a bad mechatronic unit or clutch slipping or even over heating.
Get the manual transmission
@@nelc2399 nah, 5-speed only! Some even modify the final drive so they do pulls until 4th and 5th only for overdrive. A Kozmic built SST will just kill it.
@@alstound but the SST gearbox is fragile and repairing cost are high.
@X Xl so f1 drivers are drivers are noobs since they paddle shift as well?
@@alstound I have a kozmic sst in my car, thing is a monster
Type R going to almost 9k RPM is sick tho!!
🤯
@Bryce Czirr*the block is spinning! + Tq smal*
@Bryce Czirr well going fast on straight is not fun but handling, sound is what makes a car fun
Yes it can. I am driving the same.
@@GoGoTomicawhat fuel consumption do you get by revving to 7k,8k rpm many times?
love my Scirocco an how other cars become tiny in seconds in the rear view. that and the looks. oh an the name Scirocco got to be one of the best name for a car - a hot wind, blowing from North Africa across the Mediterranean to southern Europe, hell's yeah.
A Porsche 911 turbo s says different ;)
@@seanflynn8467 i love Porsche 911s but that's whole new level is in it. i have just left a smile on one.
@@jimmyjump8543 Say's the man who fly's around on a Scooter.
@@jimmyjump8543 it's very enjoyable just mincing around in my gay car. did i mention that it's Pink !
Evo X is my favorito:)
Evo X🔥
Real life Gran Turismo! Amazing video, amazing YT channel!!!
That scirroco was impressive
Who's the best time is?
MITSUBISHI LOVERS❤️😘😁
This video is what convinced me on buying a Scirocco R 😁
Look at the lap times 😂
@@LayLoow Do you own an Evo?
@@dorionlavergne3367 Evo 9
You can keep your vw, or sell it now and get something back, before its too late. 😁
@@dorionlavergne3367 No but been in too many to knw what a weapon of a car they are
The Evo's best lap time was almost 2 seconds faster then the Scirocco's, that is a lot.
Great race
Evo all the way..evo still in our heart..love u mitsu
yes! my Scirocco fun me everyday right now. Best feelings of fast driving
In malaysia,people that are using FD2R is like having a ferrari..😂
It call awek melekat H
@@lucky0ne777 yg melekat yg xtau pasal kete je🤪
@@firdauszainal9452 yg peliknya FD2R jepun klu modi xda lah bising mcm FD2R modi Malaysia, pakai ekzos kentut je.
@@arandomguy5886 fart can😅 kat malaysia pakai honda city 1.5 pun da buat story ig 24/7..
gay motorsport ye bang
Scirocco is my favorite,but all those cars are equal,the difference was the scirocco's driver i think,great drive man!
I love my Evo X never getting rid of it
All comments are talking about evo , i don't see too much about the vw SIRROCO, seems people here are more emotional
Evo is the faster car by lap times, that's why it started all the way in the back
At 225hp in 2008, the 8th generation NA FD2 Honda Civic Type R just did not have the power to keep up with 2000-2016 Turbo AWD 300+ hp rivals anymore. The Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution and Subaru Impreza WRX STi were challenging BMW M3’s not ~200hp Nissan Sentras, Toyota Corollas, and Volkswagon Gti’s.
It took until 2016 for the Honda Civic Type R to rise back with the 10th generation FK8 (and to a lesser extent the 9th gen FK2).
Finally, in 2016-2021 a Honda Civic Type R that can race Subaru Impreza WRX STi, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, and Toyota Supra Mk5 on the Race Track and actually win. Throttle House used the Honda Civic Type R FK8 to actually beat the Toyota Supra MK5 on their Toronto track.
NA ?
@@thanaphumkongchaiya8159 NA stands for Naturally Aspirated. Natural Aspirated engines do not use Turbochargers or Superchargers.
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The newer "Type R" isn't what it used to be. They're heavier and don't like to rev as much. On a tighter course, like say, a touge, the older NA Type R's tend to be quicker/more responsive. Yes in general the newer turbo models are faster, but that's all they got going for them.
The fd2 in this video did keep up too, for having way less power, it kept up.
The supra is in a different league compared to these you mentioned
Back then, Evo V/VI were challenging NSXs, Ferraris and Porsches lol.
@@popemobile12 I fully agree, those newer Type R(FKs) just doesn't seem to have the "Type R" soul like the FD/EK does. And, the new NSX fully engineered in US is a complete flop compared to its predecessor.
Makes me want to tune my A3
Gran Turismo irl. Good stuff.
I'd really like to see some captions with these videos
Yes
I like that generation type r, it’s funky
Cómo quisiera saber lo que dicen al final de la carrera, cómo que dan sus impresiones de los autos. Se siente como ver Gran Turismo 🎮
The x sst is the fastest. I look at best laptimes not actual end positions as I dont think it's fair to start them in different pole positions anyways.
Putting the Evo at the back, they already knew it’s the fastest on track.
Yes the Evo. And Then the Golf r do i see that Right ?
@@Cupra317hp correct
@@jponz85 Not that Bad.
It doesn't work that way when wheel to wheel racing. It is always who finishes first with the most laps wins. Time Attack is boring. W2W racing is way more fun when there are many cars around you with traffic.
Hi! Is there a video of Lancer CM5A in Best Motoring? Thanks!
I will look for it
@@JackKello okay i'll wait for that. Thank you!
Can we get English subtitles please? I really want to know what they are saying.
Just to Confirm THE SCIROCCO R IS FWD AND NOT AWD like some people on here think. I own a FL model and I'm 💯% sure of this
VW SCIROCCO 🔥 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Great race with a group of great cars. I think the VW didn't have as much drivetrain power loss since it is a front wheel drive, whereas the EVO is getting more power robbed through the four wheel drive system. On a flat dry track with everyone largely on the same rubber, it appears that just having a good front wheel drive is sufficient to run a good lap vs. the torque vectored four wheel drive. In other words, not so sure that the extra weight and power loss of a high-tech four wheel drive is an advantage over a good front wheel drive system - at least in dry, flat track conditions.
Its awd the Scirocco and golf r
@@krypt0nitis Scirocco is front wheel drive
They are all awd
@@kagura631 Not the type r
@@yapod9061 👍
The Evo and the STI can’t compete with those automatics. They should’ve used the manual variants
The DSG is a world changer performance wise.
Volkswagen 👏👏👏
Evo x best car 4B11t !! 295cv .
この時代の車は熱い車なのに安いなぁ。。。
Did I just see a WRX STI with a automatic transmission? Was it a torque convertor, CVT, or doubleclutch?
Yeah I couldn’t believe it, I know for that generation in the States and in Europe, all the WRXs and STIs were manual (I have one) I did a google search and apparently around 2009 Subaru of Japan launched an automatic STI of the hatchback in response to Mitsubishi and their more advance automatic. They only sold them in Japan
@@Reefer-Rampage69 Nice man, thanks for the heads up! Do you know which kind/ type of AT was it?
@@Tibchy91 It was a 5 speed sportshift auto with paddle shifters, nothing too special really haha
@@Reefer-Rampage69 Sportshift means what? CVT like nowdays? Or converter? I guess it wasn't a doubleclutch...
@@Tibchy91 I think just a regular torque converter, it wasn’t a Dual Clutch transmission
The evo looked like it was holding back through each corner, like it had grip for days, but just didn't have the power on the straights to back it up
How does the Type R keep up with the NSX in other races but cant keep up with these? makes no sense to me.
VW beating the best of Japan, eve though its a lot down on power? Surprising.
It won a driver's race, not a real fair race. Look at the track times, it wasn't the fastest car.
The reason is its optimized to go fast on straights as you saw
What are you talking about? If the evo can catch up to you that quickly but can't pass, it means there is some blocking going on. Therefore the only reason why the VW came in first was because it was slowing down the Evo.
VW underrate the power of their cars probably for insurance reasons
@@dennisarnott9854 They always have 90ps versions for insurance reasons. Being more powerful with the 'same hp' is a matter of pride. They all lie, starting with the japanese sports cars from the 90s.
I think its pretty clear... Evo X for the win.
Disappointed in the CTR how'd it start first and end up last after the first lap?
big power & torque difference
Happy New Years jack!!!!
Happy New year 🍾🥂
Go go rocco!
Evo X 🥰😍
The Scirocco R is the best kept secret of gran turismo 6; its easily the most capable fwd car on the game as well as the best 2.0L turbo in the game despite being fwd bone stock. The extended foot print, track width, wheelbase and well-tailored torque delivery are what allowed it to overachieve. In the age of gdi turbo charging manufacturers can roll the dice a bit and extend the weight and dimensions of their cars ISO better handling because the torque is plentiful. The Scirocco was the first car to go down that path
VAG🔝
Civic type R proven on track 😂
Proven? It lost, it's an amazing car and didn't lose by far and held on to the others after being passed but still lost.
haha, you know what i mean bro 🤣.. dont be a ruler
That Civic had much less hp compared to other cars
Half the cars are auto? Why? Lol
Considering its got wayyy less hp it did well
GERMAN ENGINEERING BABY!
I will still choose the FD2R 100%
The better the tire performance, the better the front-wheel drive vehicle. Four-wheel drive vehicles sacrifice straight speed due to drive loss. However, in reality, front-wheel drive vehicles lack traction, so a regulation of 300 horsepower or more will result in a large loss.
If you focus and watch very carefully, you can see that this was the time when German hot hatches became faster than Evo and WRX.
Japanese car makers let them review their plans
And here we are today where Evo and WRX STi are no longer in production. Only normal WRX remains but even that can't compete with anything from Germany. Toyota GR Corolla atleast can.
The EVO X SST is faster than the sirocco. Just look at the laptimes. 1 second faster in battle, 2 seconds faster in time attack.
Evo is the real winner... do this race on the Nürburgring Nordschleife in Germany !
On the nürburgring the evo would kiss the first corner
They need to up their game. Germans have been dominating the car community since 2010.
I don't think Civic driver is used to Front wheel drive. This FD2 was supposed to fly
Wow I think the Japanese spec evo is different the evo x normally revs to 7100 that evo revs to 7800
Evo from the back
Hi Jack
Happy New Year
Happy new year! 🥂🍾
Evo has best time check the results
Evo lost, check the results. You evo fanbois are really cringe its sad.
AYC 💪💪💪
SSTのパドルシフトなんで固定にするのか謎
初期の35Rもそうだけど、開発陣は何考えてるんだ？
Honda always late to the party, managed to swallow their pride and go boost when it’s too late and still too stubborn to go AWD
The Honda did alright ..It was the only car in the group without a Turbo
Fd2r is the only one NA engine
Dont care, because people saying it “track weapon track tool”.. so where is it ? I saw a kitten there try playin with bigger boys 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The gearing in the STi is bad. At certain point, I see the RPM drop to 2000-3000 rpm. Either driver error or the gearing is too wide. STI needs to be 4000+rpm to make full boost.
Mitsubishi Evo X 😎 Legend
The best motoring series?
Scirocco wins in looks hands down
It is nice looking car but the evo is more aggressive and sportier looking my fav imo 😅
If I had to choose between a Scirocco or my mk6 Golf R just on looks alone, I'd take my Golf R anyday.
Wtf? Where is fk 8? You put turbo squad to 2.0 N/A? Not Fair
Plus the civic is the only one there with manual gears
i though honda people say N/A is the best? LOL
@@TheAsheryl lol
All turbo vs n/a
I live this Japan content
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo is the best always winners champion car
Oh this is tsukuba
Stock Volkswagen beating a stock Evo that doesn't happen every day, lol
Considering what Germans released in the last years, it most definitely happens every day lol. Even a Focus ST will spank most 90s and 2000s JDMs
i know, i love it❣️😭
Can only happen when the evo starts so far back that you can't see her😂
Nope the Evo Is the fastest car, had the fastest time around the track. Mitsubishi 🔥💪🏽.
evo x..the power of 4x4
the dsg was a huge advantage.
That perfect shift at 6:02 made me bust a fatty
People underestimate volkswagen so much. Sold my Honda and bought a volkswagen.. I was surprised..
Surprised that you have no more money...
Im really sorry for you.
Im surprised they didnt give the Police Force some Mitsubishis for Car Chases.
Evo Evo Evo Lol.....
Gran turismo 4 lessen center 🥰🥰
Didn't know sti's came in automatics
In Japan there was WRX STI A-Line that came with EJ25 and 5 speed auto instead of an EJ20 and 6 speed manual
Just glad VW took it even tho I wasn’t tho golf 🥴
That gen Civic is just a sedan with a spoiler. Big bus.
8.36 Evo x power slide ?? 🔥🔥
+1
How is that the Civic type r is in the last position? For me that civic even today had one of the best acceleration in its class, beating the Lancer , Corolla, etc and this is the Type R, lol
Pretty sure the Civic R of the time was atleast half a second or more behind the Evo and Impreza in sprint acceleration alone and still a bit behind the Golf R (also AWD like the Evo and Impreza) while it's only FWD rival in the race (Scirocco) has higher power, turbo help and better transmission resulting in much faster acceleration mid range. It's fighting a losing battle here in a field of cars it shouldn't have competed against. Look at the attack lap times - clear disadvantage. Still, it did extremely well for all the disadvantages it faces.
EVO #1
Volkswagen Scirocco
Thats a handicap race for a bit of fun, the Evo would have won easy if they had all left the same line together look at the times.
Come on SUBARUUUU
Some one is getting fired at BMI! A German car won? 😂
Civic is just fame
Tercirit type r nk kejar ,itu yg nk di bangga2 kn lemah ...👎
Lancer evo almost got it! Im a fan of lancer
The sound of a under steer fest