Testing the 190gr Hornady Sub-X with Vihtavuori N120 and Accurate 1680. I also test the 220gr Hornady ELD-X and 220gr Nosler Ballistic Tip Subsonic. / reloading
Hopefully you caught my video a few months ago with the Speer Gold Dots th-cam.com/video/Nrz25ucfRtU/w-d-xo.html 300 Blackout is just pure fun and it will always be around my channel.
When I finally succumbed to peer pressure and reluctantly tried 300 blk, I watched every episode in the series at that time. I think he was almost done making vids. Saved me countless components. Oh and fell head over heals for the cartridge
@@JohnnysReloadingBench your MK262 series is what got me into reloading. Then I built a 300BO rifle and started loading that cartridge based on a lot that I learned from your channel. I have basically binge watched every video you've made and haven't missed an episode in months. Thanks again for the incredible content and the humor. My wallet hates you, but I've kept all my rifles fed during this drought.
@@JohnnysReloadingBench Hey thank you for the time in putting this information out there. Was wondering if you’d be interested in seeing how the Sub x 175s work. With the 190s being harder to come by than varget, it would be interesting if the 175s could work. I’ve looked around online but not much out there for this.
I have used the Hornady factory load for the 190 Sub-X for hogs and deer. My longest shot has been 52 yards. I get consistent nickel size exit wounds from broad side shots. All animals were down within 30 yards. The solid copper bullets do expand larger, however I get far less penetration with no exit on broad side shots. The animals also take much longer to go down. 50 to 100 yards. That's why I stick with Hornady Sub-X. It may also be noted that the Hornady load is the only 300 Blackout factory load that meets the F.B.I. performance requirements.
Feeding the algorithm... I'm just NOW getting into the 300 blackout... Built a Anderson lower with 10 1/2" p.s.a. Upper.. haven't shot it yet.. this week hopefully.. I'll be saving this video come handloading time
It definitely performs well, not necessarily as good as the copper, but still really good. And the accuracy...outstanding! Figuring it'll be around .5-.75 moa. For a 300 blk in that gun. That's awesome.
My blackout is 1:5 and loves the heavy subs. I am planning on hunting with these this year. I'm ready to see more videos on it - I'm a KY local if you want to use my upper for a video!
I really enjoy your videos, there's a great amount of information on reloading, and I like the way you present it. Great work and keep it up. If in the future you want to have a little fun,try loading the sub-x in a .308 Winchester at supersonic levels and shoot it in your ballistic gel block. I've seen it before and the gel pretty much exploded.
I'd actually be interested in seeing how well they hold up when shot at .300 Win Mag velocities. If the bullet holds together enough when shot at that speed, then you know it will reliably hold together when shot from a .308 Winchester.
Looks like Hornady just came out with a 175gr sub-x! Curious on your thoughts on that mid weight subsonic compared to the heavy weight and if you plan on doing a video for this new weight
YES!!!! Can you do that with some CFE BLK and subx I’ve been hording CFE blk and finally came across the subx but idk what to load at due to not being able to measure velocity, but I did make some with the OAL at 2.04 because I new haha but did starting loads at 11, 11.5, and 12 but I haven’t tested grouping due to this horrible wind haha. I love your channel brother you really hosted my confidence in getting into the reloading game. 👍🏼
Running these 190 Sub-X bullets as my subsonic load with a charge of CFE BLK and I get the same kind of gilt-edged accuracy seen here. They really shoot.
I have now watched all of your 300AAC videos. Thank you very much and have found them extremely interesting. I am in the UK and have a Remington 16" bolt action which I have blown the dust of the last couple of Years off and about to start loading. We are restricted to the components available and I am going to develop Sierra 220 and 135 projectiles, have some 125 SST that I think worked well. Got H110 and LilGun and a bit of RL7 to play with. Amongst a lot of left over .308 bullets too. Going to have some fun. Stay safe, and thanks again. Hope I can understand the notes I have scribbled down 🙂
One of the uses I have for the SUB-X is a 50 yard load for my AR Pistol (and eventually a short-barrel rifle I'm building). Having a loading that would hit a quarter at 50 yards has a lot of value, especially with AA1680 (considering how much I own of it for just that reason).
I probably would hold these rounds to 50-60 yards for hunting, but the platinum-tier accuracy of the Sub-X loads is still a huge plus, because it will allow for precise shot placement, which matters when your hunting bullet hits at 980 fps
Wonder if the firmer gel blocks in this test made the Sub-X fold more. Maybe in softer gel blocks they would open more ideally. Add in their higher stability and accuracy... win.
My factory Daniel defense 1 in 8 twist 10.3 inch rig shoots heavy subs just as well as my Q Honey Badger. I like them both but is the HB $1000 more gun than the DD? Absolutely not. I’d say $200-$300 more because I understand that they are lighter and that requires engineering but 50 percent more? Hell no. I love my Q guns and silencers but once you shoot them side by side there is no way someone can tell me the HB is 50 percent better. If it weighed half as much or magically had more velocity with a shorter barrel or perhaps was a sub moa gun all day no matter the rounds then ok. It however doesn’t do any of those. It weighs 26 percent less, is just a tiny bit more accurate (which for a CQB/pig gun isn’t a big deal) it also shoots supers slower and has proprietary replacement parts if something breaks. Which I don’t anticipate happening because its a quality gun but still…Good gun but not an epic gun. If i had to pick, id take the HB and sell my DD but only because it’s a little shorter and suits my needs as a home defense/car gun better, not because it necessarily is a better gun.
Has anyone shared my experience with the edge of the bullet tip catching in the barrel extension and causing a FTF? I’ve tried COAL’s from 2.045 - 2.175. Same issue. Seems that the tip catches and the bolt loses its grip on the case head, and closed on a the round while the tip remains stuck in the barrel extension. I have clear marks on the case heads where the bolt comes back and grabs the next round. I’ve increased powder to rule out under-gas. No issues with any other bullets I’ve used. Wilson Combat barrel. Aero bolt.
I have just been building my first 300BLK SBR and prepping to load, first 300BLK loading. I came across Maker REX bullets and Sub-X and been trying to decide between them for starting place. Thanks so much for the great coverage here helping me decide to go with Maker! Also, as an ELD-X and ELD-M shooter those penetrating right thru were a shock at those velocities. Guess I have assumed better performance of those opening somewhat like other OTM bullets and the velocity just wont do it. Very good to lnow as I was thinking about ELD or GMX instead of Maker also.
You shot a sub MOA 10 shot group at your target velocity with the Sub-X. I am not sure you need any more load development in 300 BO. If you want to hunt with that bullet, that is your load. Hornady has 220 Grain load data for a round nosed 220 bullet in 308. That might be an interesting use of the Sub-x.
Great video Johnny. I've still got some of those makers bullets that I bought 5 years ago after watching your video and you taking that doe with them. I also have been meaning to get some of those sub-x hornadys and just try them as well. You beat me to the punch. Love the accuracy of them though for sure and I will be trying them soon. Thanks for the great video. And thanks for teaching me how to reload 6 years ago.
You don’t want to seat the SUB-X too shallow, because they don’t feed well in regular magazines. The temptation is to pull them out, but you really want to push them in far enough to get it up to the cantilever for “production” rounds.
I’ve been using the 190 sub-x on deer out to 100 yards for 3 seasons now. I use accurate 1680 and run them right at 1050. They are absolutely the best bullet I’ve found for whitetail out of my 300 black. I tried supers with the 110 Barnes tac-tx and wasn’t getting reliable expansion. With the sub-x I’ve shot close to 10 whitetails, 2 150 plus pound bucks and none of the deer shot have went over 20 yards, most are DRT. As you’ve shown the sub-x performs like a nosler partition. Full frontal mushroom with a solid base driving deep. I’ve only recovered 1 bullet but it looked identical to the ones you shot through the gel. The recovered bullet was from a doe I shot head on in the center of the chest, the bullet traversed the entire length of her body and lodged in the far side of her back ham, maybe an 1” from exiting the rear of the deers ham. To say I was impressed was an understatement. I’ve now loaded over 700 sub-x’s and will hopefully have deer bullets for years to come.
And out of my 16” American they don’t break speed of sound (or at least don’t sound like it) I don’t have any chrono data for that gun in my load book but I don’t believe they speed up too much more out of that barrel either.
It’s well known in the air gun and .22 rim fire world that round nose slugs are inherently more accurate than points at subsonic speeds, so I’m always excited when you do a 300 blackout vid with a round nose slug! I’m hoping it proves out at 100 yards.
My only issue is the testing distance for gel is always point blank. 10 feet is less than 10 yards. Most game even in archery hunting are taken at 15-25 yards or more. With .300 BLK sub I'd say maximum range of 50 yards. I'd like to see gel tests at those ranges so we can figure a maximum and minimum range.
Idk about everyone else but the most fun of the hunt is the stock. You need to get close with 300blk and this subx bullet looks great for that very impressive. I totally get your want to stay all copper for the wound channel but the new round you're testing looks to be a great option. I would have no qualms using this on deer, hogs and the like keep up the amazing work.
208gr ELDx and N120 is my favorite range combo. Unimpressive accuracy but a fun range toy. Also switched to Viht powder from 1680 because it burns significantly clearer. Thanks for the food for thought!
@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 it supresses well, but I'm also using a 16in barrel. I've also experimented with H110. It's cheaper, but the N120 performs better in both sound and accuracy. I'm getting around 3inch groups at 100yds. Dialed in to around 1020fps fwiw.
Interesting video, if you're just buying the cheapest 300 subsonic for fun and plinking, can you beat the average price loading your own ? That is once you buy all the stuff to do it, plus the personal time doing it. I guess in short, am I better off just buying it over the counter when I find it ?
That Hornady SubX looked really impressive, especially considering the kinda groups you got without any real load development. I'd like to see how they do at either .308 or .300 win mag velocities.
@@jameshagerman7681 I saw a video the other day some guy was shooting these bullets in his 308 AR10. The bullet literally blew up the gel block. It was the most impressive gel test I’ve seen as far as bullet performance.
@@Donttreadonanyone I saw a vid recently where a guy took some 150gr pills designed for the .300 Blackout and fired out of a .300 Win Mag max loads. The bullets all held together quite well. I'd love to see if these would hold up as well.
I just bought 4 boxes of the Sub X bullets hoping to use in my suppressed 300 blkout , I seen a video of it loaded in a full power .308 and it wrecked a ballistic gel block ....
I didn’t expect good performance from those sub-X bullets and it sure shows in gel. One more example of how a well mushroomed bullet does not mean good performance.
Gotta remember this is at the bottom of it's expansion threshold. I'm sure at 1500-1600 fps it would look a bit more expanded and a bit deeper penetration as well.
@@rileyneufeld7001 im not talking about expansion or penetration. Look at that permanent cavity in the gel. Its abysmal, and adding a few hundred FPS is not going to improve it much, and if you try to push this soft bullet fast it is just going to blow up with shallow penetration.
Like yourself, I settled on the Maker Rex many years ago for subsonic hunting. I also had no success stabilizing the Nosler BT. The Hornady certainly look very good for a lead projectile. Nice review Johnny.
I would like to see a test with the maker rex once more, last time you used a 1-8 twist ARstoner barrel. would the 1-7 work? you need to shoot them out of a bolt gun 308 they are stupid quiet.
I know this might sound silly, but it would be nice to see Sub-X out of a .308win. Just to see how it does. is it accurate? Will it retain weight at higher velocities? How does it expand at higher velocities?
Barrel makers now offer 300blk in a 1:5 twist. It offers MUCH more stability in the 175+ projectile weights. I saw a significant accuracy increase when I switched
I’m surprised for the quantity you do that you don’t use a prep station. I love the speed and ease of the chamfer/deburring process with the prep station.
There are a lot of cartridges I don't have any use for. Doesn't mean they're dumb. Supersonic 300 Blackout is an amazing short range whitetail deer cartridge. Subsonic 300 Blackout is mostly useless, but it's the most fun you'll ever have with a suppressor.
@@JohnnysReloadingBench I mean, yeah, all bullets are cool, but I can load 158gr 9mm with some power pistol and have 50thou more frontal surface and great expansion if I'm planning on staying under 100yards. I'll stop being a negative Nancy. I love watching you on the way to work on Mondays. You keep loading them silly bullets and I will keep watching.
@@livingintheLight. >190gr bullet with a spitzer type profile will do much better at range. 9mm falls of after 100 yards even out of an mp5 whereas I'm comfortable out to 200 with the 300BO rattler and subs. Also what 158gr 9mm bullet expands? Heaviest I have is 150gr HST pulls.
@JohnnysReloadingBench thanks for all the info. I've watched all your 300 BLK videos over the last year of getting into reloading. In your opinion which powder is the better option for 300 BLK subs? CFE BLK, 1680, or N120? I've used a good bit of CFE and 1680 but I've read that the N120 burns much clearer. What is your opinion?
I gave up trying to depend on a subsonic body shot dependable setup out of 300. It’s great for head shots no matter. But just cheap berrys 220’s will do the same thing. Body shots though? Just not for 300. Or any slow spitzer. I’d settle on something else. 458, etc. go wide for slow instead. I settled on Speer 130 varmints with v110. The sub stuff out of a true rifle bullet is just for fun like I said so meh just gave up. There’s better options.
Johnny, Using Li' Gun, I've worked down to a "max subsonic" load (~1070fps) in my 8.5" barrel and got comparable results in my 10% cleargel. I've also worked up to a "max" load in my 16" bbl, slightly over 1600fps. Spoke with the nice folks at Hornady and was told they haven't tested terminal performance over 1400fps. with them. Seeing what they'd do over 2k into gel should be entertaining. I haven't gotten around to gel testing my "max load" Once thing, for safety. I was taught, when working on developing a subsonic load, it's safer to start supersonic and working DOWN to your target velocity. You're normally not worried about being over-pressure with subsonic loads, and you're less likely to stick a bullet in the bore that way. I'd hate to see you have to do a video titled, "How to remove a stuck bullet from a 300BO bbl" 😉
Dunno if it's a taboo topic, but Hornady loads the Sub-X in factory ammo. Cabela's has it in stock online & on shelves. Curious how the factory loads fare vs. your loads.
It was an idea. But let’s be honest. A 45 acp 185 vs these 190’s… Is already going as fast, already as wide, already does better than a sub 300 when it comes to body shot ability. I feel like sub 300 is for fun, but wider heavier has always been better at the slow game.
I've loaded supers with barnes 120gr. Tac-TX with 20gr. Of Accurate 11FS and was getting great accuracy and fps from a 16" bolt action 2405 fps with SD of 6 and sub MOA!!! Great powder! I wonder what velocities I'd get out of my 12.5" postol?🤔
I know this is a year after the video. Can someone give some advice for a brand of ammo to buy that is subsonic, 300blk, 8” barrel, suppressed that is good for sound and home defense?
When using a bullet seating die with taper crimp, can you separate out those two functions? Maybe adjust die depth to avoid crimping while bullet seating then come back with the bullet seating stem screwed way out but with the die adjusted for crimping? So bullet seating first then crimping on the second run. Any reason that wouldn't work?
I’m a big fan of the 190 grain Makers T-Rex bullets in my CQB weapon as it is equipped with a 1:8 twist 8” barrel at this moment but I’d like to install a faster twist barrel for use with with Makers 220 grain T-Rex bullets.
Been hoping for more 300blk from you for too long now, this is probably my favorite of all your series, please keep them rolling in!
Hopefully you caught my video a few months ago with the Speer Gold Dots th-cam.com/video/Nrz25ucfRtU/w-d-xo.html
300 Blackout is just pure fun and it will always be around my channel.
When I finally succumbed to peer pressure and reluctantly tried 300 blk, I watched every episode in the series at that time. I think he was almost done making vids. Saved me countless components. Oh and fell head over heals for the cartridge
@@JohnnysReloadingBench your MK262 series is what got me into reloading. Then I built a 300BO rifle and started loading that cartridge based on a lot that I learned from your channel. I have basically binge watched every video you've made and haven't missed an episode in months. Thanks again for the incredible content and the humor. My wallet hates you, but I've kept all my rifles fed during this drought.
I've loved these 190 Sub-X bullets. I've been loading them for the past year.
@@JohnnysReloadingBench
Hey thank you for the time in putting this information out there. Was wondering if you’d be interested in seeing how the Sub x 175s work. With the 190s being harder to come by than varget, it would be interesting if the 175s could work. I’ve looked around online but not much out there for this.
I have used the Hornady factory load for the 190 Sub-X for hogs and deer. My longest shot has been 52 yards. I get consistent nickel size exit wounds from broad side shots. All animals were down within 30 yards. The solid copper bullets do expand larger, however I get far less penetration with no exit on broad side shots. The animals also take much longer to go down. 50 to 100 yards. That's why I stick with Hornady Sub-X. It may also be noted that the Hornady load is the only 300 Blackout factory load that meets the F.B.I. performance requirements.
That bug at about the 10m make on the redding box was just fascinated with your work
Hi from france , Awesome video👍thanks , I have a Ruger american ranch supressed in 300 blk and i like it .
Feeding the algorithm... I'm just NOW getting into the 300 blackout... Built a Anderson lower with 10 1/2" p.s.a. Upper.. haven't shot it yet.. this week hopefully.. I'll be saving this video come handloading time
Nice!
Ive had an 8.5” setup layin around for 6 or 7 years. Still havent gotten around to loadinh for it. Lol.
Keep up the great work. I would love to see more 300 blackout video's from you
It definitely performs well, not necessarily as good as the copper, but still really good. And the accuracy...outstanding!
Figuring it'll be around .5-.75 moa. For a 300 blk in that gun. That's awesome.
And they are 1/3-1/2 the price of the Lehighs
My blackout is 1:5 and loves the heavy subs. I am planning on hunting with these this year. I'm ready to see more videos on it - I'm a KY local if you want to use my upper for a video!
I really enjoy your videos, there's a great amount of information on reloading, and I like the way you present it.
Great work and keep it up.
If in the future you want to have a little fun,try loading the sub-x in a .308 Winchester at supersonic levels and shoot it in your ballistic gel block.
I've seen it before and the gel pretty much exploded.
I'd actually be interested in seeing how well they hold up when shot at .300 Win Mag velocities. If the bullet holds together enough when shot at that speed, then you know it will reliably hold together when shot from a .308 Winchester.
Would like to see some Berry's 220g into the gel.
I never bought any of those because I thought they were crazy expensive for a plated bullet. I might give them a try someday.
Try the Discreet Ballistics 188gr Selous bullet.
Looks like Hornady just came out with a 175gr sub-x! Curious on your thoughts on that mid weight subsonic compared to the heavy weight and if you plan on doing a video for this new weight
Nice grouping there, Mr. Bench. Looking forward to the piggies on the second channel.
Did anyone see the roach?? 10:20 on the die boxes. Good bullets though!
It was a stink bug. Ladybugs and stink bugs are insane in my area. It's almost wasp season, so you might see one of those in the next video.
Great video. Those Hornady SUB-X were shooting lights out!
YES!!!! Can you do that with some CFE BLK and subx I’ve been hording CFE blk and finally came across the subx but idk what to load at due to not being able to measure velocity, but I did make some with the OAL at 2.04 because I new haha but did starting loads at 11, 11.5, and 12 but I haven’t tested grouping due to this horrible wind haha. I love your channel brother you really hosted my confidence in getting into the reloading game. 👍🏼
Yes. With cfe blk! We need info!
Love that you are trying some 300 BO with gel!
Running these 190 Sub-X bullets as my subsonic load with a charge of CFE BLK and I get the same kind of gilt-edged accuracy seen here. They really shoot.
I have now watched all of your 300AAC videos. Thank you very much and have found them extremely interesting. I am in the UK and have a Remington 16" bolt action which I have blown the dust of the last couple of Years off and about to start loading. We are restricted to the components available and I am going to develop Sierra 220 and 135 projectiles, have some 125 SST that I think worked well. Got H110 and LilGun and a bit of RL7 to play with. Amongst a lot of left over .308 bullets too. Going to have some fun. Stay safe, and thanks again. Hope I can understand the notes I have scribbled down 🙂
I love that when you say it’s okay if it’s only a 50 yard accurate load and then shoot some of the tiniest subsonic 300blk groups you’ve ever put down
One of the uses I have for the SUB-X is a 50 yard load for my AR Pistol (and eventually a short-barrel rifle I'm building). Having a loading that would hit a quarter at 50 yards has a lot of value, especially with AA1680 (considering how much I own of it for just that reason).
I probably would hold these rounds to 50-60 yards for hunting, but the platinum-tier accuracy of the Sub-X loads is still a huge plus, because it will allow for precise shot placement, which matters when your hunting bullet hits at 980 fps
Wonder if the firmer gel blocks in this test made the Sub-X fold more. Maybe in softer gel blocks they would open more ideally. Add in their higher stability and accuracy... win.
Sundays equal fun days. Love the vids no matter the subject. Keep it up.
With the heavier Subs, maybe you need to try a 1:5 twist barrel and see if that "fixes" the problem.
I see what you did there :)
My factory Daniel defense 1 in 8 twist 10.3 inch rig shoots heavy subs just as well as my Q Honey Badger. I like them both but is the HB $1000 more gun than the DD? Absolutely not. I’d say $200-$300 more because I understand that they are lighter and that requires engineering but 50 percent more? Hell no. I love my Q guns and silencers but once you shoot them side by side there is no way someone can tell me the HB is 50 percent better. If it weighed half as much or magically had more velocity with a shorter barrel or perhaps was a sub moa gun all day no matter the rounds then ok. It however doesn’t do any of those. It weighs 26 percent less, is just a tiny bit more accurate (which for a CQB/pig gun isn’t a big deal) it also shoots supers slower and has proprietary replacement parts if something breaks. Which I don’t anticipate happening because its a quality gun but still…Good gun but not an epic gun. If i had to pick, id take the HB and sell my DD but only because it’s a little shorter and suits my needs as a home defense/car gun better, not because it necessarily is a better gun.
Has anyone shared my experience with the edge of the bullet tip catching in the barrel extension and causing a FTF? I’ve tried COAL’s from 2.045 - 2.175. Same issue. Seems that the tip catches and the bolt loses its grip on the case head, and closed on a the round while the tip remains stuck in the barrel extension. I have clear marks on the case heads where the bolt comes back and grabs the next round. I’ve increased powder to rule out under-gas. No issues with any other bullets I’ve used. Wilson Combat barrel. Aero bolt.
I have just been building my first 300BLK SBR and prepping to load, first 300BLK loading. I came across Maker REX bullets and Sub-X and been trying to decide between them for starting place. Thanks so much for the great coverage here helping me decide to go with Maker!
Also, as an ELD-X and ELD-M shooter those penetrating right thru were a shock at those velocities. Guess I have assumed better performance of those opening somewhat like other OTM bullets and the velocity just wont do it. Very good to lnow as I was thinking about ELD or GMX instead of Maker also.
Need a 1:5.5 twist for subsonic 300 BLK, my dude.
You shot a sub MOA 10 shot group at your target velocity with the Sub-X. I am not sure you need any more load development in 300 BO. If you want to hunt with that bullet, that is your load. Hornady has 220 Grain load data for a round nosed 220 bullet in 308. That might be an interesting use of the Sub-x.
I have my most interest. In all copper large expansion right now. And oddly the 300aac. But at supersonic.
For deer at 150-200 yards.
Is noone going to comment about the lookielou at 10:18? Keep up the the great videos.
Saw it too
Going back to check now...
No, I see nothing?
@@NelsonZAPTM check out the background.
Great video Johnny. I've still got some of those makers bullets that I bought 5 years ago after watching your video and you taking that doe with them. I also have been meaning to get some of those sub-x hornadys and just try them as well. You beat me to the punch. Love the accuracy of them though for sure and I will be trying them soon. Thanks for the great video. And thanks for teaching me how to reload 6 years ago.
Hey shannon try some barnes bullets sometime.
Ok what if you took the subX and pushed it to normal velocity?? ..ya try it in your 300 mag.
You don’t want to seat the SUB-X too shallow, because they don’t feed well in regular magazines. The temptation is to pull them out, but you really want to push them in far enough to get it up to the cantilever for “production” rounds.
I’ve been using the 190 sub-x on deer out to 100 yards for 3 seasons now. I use accurate 1680 and run them right at 1050. They are absolutely the best bullet I’ve found for whitetail out of my 300 black. I tried supers with the 110 Barnes tac-tx and wasn’t getting reliable expansion. With the sub-x I’ve shot close to 10 whitetails, 2 150 plus pound bucks and none of the deer shot have went over 20 yards, most are DRT. As you’ve shown the sub-x performs like a nosler partition. Full frontal mushroom with a solid base driving deep. I’ve only recovered 1 bullet but it looked identical to the ones you shot through the gel. The recovered bullet was from a doe I shot head on in the center of the chest, the bullet traversed the entire length of her body and lodged in the far side of her back ham, maybe an 1” from exiting the rear of the deers ham. To say I was impressed was an understatement. I’ve now loaded over 700 sub-x’s and will hopefully have deer bullets for years to come.
I assume 16 inch barrel, how many grains of 1680 is getting you 1050 fps?
@@jmf1976jmf using a 10.5” 11.3 grains hits rights at 1040 lake city 556 cases cut down and s&b primers
And out of my 16” American they don’t break speed of sound (or at least don’t sound like it) I don’t have any chrono data for that gun in my load book but I don’t believe they speed up too much more out of that barrel either.
@@shanerussell5448 thank you
I'd love to see the 450 bushmaster in subX.
;) perfect round to bring home the bacon
It’s well known in the air gun and .22 rim fire world that round nose slugs are inherently more accurate than points at subsonic speeds, so I’m always excited when you do a 300 blackout vid with a round nose slug! I’m hoping it proves out at 100 yards.
Sub-X simply doing donuts on the lawns of the ELD-X and the Nosler here, tossing empties out the window, stereo cranked
Are those piglets for testing?
My only issue is the testing distance for gel is always point blank. 10 feet is less than 10 yards. Most game even in archery hunting are taken at 15-25 yards or more. With .300 BLK sub I'd say maximum range of 50 yards. I'd like to see gel tests at those ranges so we can figure a maximum and minimum range.
Idk about everyone else but the most fun of the hunt is the stock. You need to get close with 300blk and this subx bullet looks great for that very impressive. I totally get your want to stay all copper for the wound channel but the new round you're testing looks to be a great option. I would have no qualms using this on deer, hogs and the like keep up the amazing work.
Wonder if those would work in a 308win
They do. Very well I might add.
I bet this bullet would be great in a 30/30. Just have to load 2. 1 in chamber 1 in tube mag. Wonder what the overall length would be.
What’s your second channel for farming??
th-cam.com/channels/XFoIYwcyKXE99E7XQ_LslQ.html
208gr ELDx and N120 is my favorite range combo. Unimpressive accuracy but a fun range toy. Also switched to Viht powder from 1680 because it burns significantly clearer. Thanks for the food for thought!
How does N120 sound? I’ve heard the slower powders are louder, even suppressed.
@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 it supresses well, but I'm also using a 16in barrel. I've also experimented with H110. It's cheaper, but the N120 performs better in both sound and accuracy. I'm getting around 3inch groups at 100yds. Dialed in to around 1020fps fwiw.
Bacon!!!
That Sub X bullet was shooting nice! Great shooting JRB!
that cockroach is curious
Interesting video, if you're just buying the cheapest 300 subsonic for fun and plinking, can you beat the average price loading your own ? That is once you buy all the stuff to do it, plus the personal time doing it. I guess in short, am I better off just buying it over the counter when I find it ?
Took a Doe at 40 yards last season never took a step compete pass through with the sub x with a pistol setup
That Hornady SubX looked really impressive, especially considering the kinda groups you got without any real load development. I'd like to see how they do at either .308 or .300 win mag velocities.
They are not designed for super sonic flight.
@@mikeo4899 I'm aware of that, still think it would be interesting to see if they're stable and if they blow up when hitting gel
@@jameshagerman7681 I saw a video the other day some guy was shooting these bullets in his 308 AR10. The bullet literally blew up the gel block. It was the most impressive gel test I’ve seen as far as bullet performance.
@@Donttreadonanyone I saw a vid recently where a guy took some 150gr pills designed for the .300 Blackout and fired out of a .300 Win Mag max loads. The bullets all held together quite well. I'd love to see if these would hold up as well.
Pretty ballsy shooting those noslers with them not really stabilizing thru your can.
I just bought 4 boxes of the Sub X bullets hoping to use in my suppressed 300 blkout , I seen a video of it loaded in a full power .308 and it wrecked a ballistic gel block ....
I didn’t expect good performance from those sub-X bullets and it sure shows in gel. One more example of how a well mushroomed bullet does not mean good performance.
Gotta remember this is at the bottom of it's expansion threshold. I'm sure at 1500-1600 fps it would look a bit more expanded and a bit deeper penetration as well.
@@rileyneufeld7001 im not talking about expansion or penetration. Look at that permanent cavity in the gel. Its abysmal, and adding a few hundred FPS is not going to improve it much, and if you try to push this soft bullet fast it is just going to blow up with shallow penetration.
Great video. I’ve been wanting to try these bullets in mine. Hopefully I can find some soon.
Like yourself, I settled on the Maker Rex many years ago for subsonic hunting.
I also had no success stabilizing the Nosler BT.
The Hornady certainly look very good for a lead projectile.
Nice review Johnny.
Luv my 450bm upper for thick cover 60 yards and under. Good video like the gell tesring.
Loving the BO work! I scored 4 boxes of the subx so more please!!!
Right at 10:00 you got a crawler back there that started watching. Made me start checking my walls
Stupid stink bugs! They're finally waking back up and heading outside again. The wasps will be the next invaders.
“Next logical step would be do something goofy like shoot ‘em in 300 win mag or something” this is why we’re here!
I have a bunch of these (just bought 500) trying to work up a subsonic load with IMR 4198. 🤞🏻
Glad to see more 300 blackout! :)
Love the videos! I was curious to see how the eld-x expanded at such low velocities.
I would like to see a test with the maker rex once more, last time you used a 1-8 twist ARstoner barrel. would the 1-7 work? you need to shoot them out of a bolt gun 308 they are stupid quiet.
The sub x are looking impressive definitely worth playing around with. Great video
I know this might sound silly, but it would be nice to see Sub-X out of a .308win. Just to see how it does. is it accurate? Will it retain weight at higher velocities? How does it expand at higher velocities?
If you have more velocity, a spitzer profile will have a better BC.
Compare to makerx in blkout, 308, winmag.
Barrel makers now offer 300blk in a 1:5 twist. It offers MUCH more stability in the 175+ projectile weights. I saw a significant accuracy increase when I switched
I’m surprised for the quantity you do that you don’t use a prep station. I love the speed and ease of the chamfer/deburring process with the prep station.
He has a prep center. Well had. He hasn't used it lately. I think it's the Frankford Arsenal version.
He does have the Frankford Arsenal Case prep center. I think he doesn't use it much on video, cause it sounds annoying on video.
Yeah I seemed to remember that. Actually typed it but deleted it. I’ve really grown to love the prep station
The maker rex are definitely cosmetically different now. They still slap though.
I love you brother and that n120 group was sweet, but I just can't. 300 blackout is the absolute dumbest cartridge ever made.
There are a lot of cartridges I don't have any use for. Doesn't mean they're dumb.
Supersonic 300 Blackout is an amazing short range whitetail deer cartridge.
Subsonic 300 Blackout is mostly useless, but it's the most fun you'll ever have with a suppressor.
@@JohnnysReloadingBench I mean, yeah, all bullets are cool, but I can load 158gr 9mm with some power pistol and have 50thou more frontal surface and great expansion if I'm planning on staying under 100yards. I'll stop being a negative Nancy. I love watching you on the way to work on Mondays. You keep loading them silly bullets and I will keep watching.
@@livingintheLight. >190gr bullet with a spitzer type profile will do much better at range. 9mm falls of after 100 yards even out of an mp5 whereas I'm comfortable out to 200 with the 300BO rattler and subs.
Also what 158gr 9mm bullet expands? Heaviest I have is 150gr HST pulls.
@JohnnysReloadingBench thanks for all the info. I've watched all your 300 BLK videos over the last year of getting into reloading.
In your opinion which powder is the better option for 300 BLK subs? CFE BLK, 1680, or N120?
I've used a good bit of CFE and 1680 but I've read that the N120 burns much clearer. What is your opinion?
Why such a large bullet weight? Shouldn’t that be more like a 140 gr ???
Love the stink bug making its appearance.
I gave up trying to depend on a subsonic body shot dependable setup out of 300. It’s great for head shots no matter. But just cheap berrys 220’s will do the same thing. Body shots though? Just not for 300. Or any slow spitzer. I’d settle on something else. 458, etc. go wide for slow instead. I settled on Speer 130 varmints with v110. The sub stuff out of a true rifle bullet is just for fun like I said so meh just gave up. There’s better options.
tor the POLICE State of BJ where no suppressers or anything above 1o rounds is permitted, how and which 300 black out do you shoot? Sub or super??
Johnny, Using Li' Gun, I've worked down to a "max subsonic" load (~1070fps) in my 8.5" barrel and got comparable results in my 10% cleargel. I've also worked up to a "max" load in my 16" bbl, slightly over 1600fps. Spoke with the nice folks at Hornady and was told they haven't tested terminal performance over 1400fps. with them. Seeing what they'd do over 2k into gel should be entertaining. I haven't gotten around to gel testing my "max load"
Once thing, for safety.
I was taught, when working on developing a subsonic load, it's safer to start supersonic and working DOWN to your target velocity. You're normally not worried about being over-pressure with subsonic loads, and you're less likely to stick a bullet in the bore that way.
I'd hate to see you have to do a video titled, "How to remove a stuck bullet from a 300BO bbl" 😉
I recently bought some Hornaday 190gr subsonic and have feeding issues with them factory loads
Dunno if it's a taboo topic, but Hornady loads the Sub-X in factory ammo. Cabela's has it in stock online & on shelves. Curious how the factory loads fare vs. your loads.
It was an idea. But let’s be honest. A 45 acp 185 vs these 190’s… Is already going as fast, already as wide, already does better than a sub 300 when it comes to body shot ability. I feel like sub 300 is for fun, but wider heavier has always been better at the slow game.
This will NOT kill a deer at close range. I lost about 5 deer. X and Black. Crap. Maybe for squirrels and rabbits and rodents
20 Yards? Your groups are terrible, at that distance you should be getting < 1 MOA. Can't believe your are happy with that.
I've loaded supers with barnes 120gr. Tac-TX with 20gr. Of Accurate 11FS and was getting great accuracy and fps from a 16" bolt action 2405 fps with SD of 6 and sub MOA!!! Great powder! I wonder what velocities I'd get out of my 12.5" postol?🤔
as always enjoying the great vids. love to see great shooting like this
Shoot them at max velocity in 300BO.
Aw, you got some little pork chops and hams. Chickens weren’t enough eh?
Get some lead and cast your own 190gr. 30 cal. You will never know the difference, except a fraction of the price….
Thank you for the video, do you have any plan on testing these rounds though a shorter barrel?
I using this projectal in Nwe Zealand! Shot red deer 248 meter sabsonic
Lately I am finding all kinds of once fired 300 Blackout brass. I am going to give the cartridge a try.
That ain’t huntin’! Those hornadys oughta do it at that range though I must say!
“Accidentally” shot it perfectly through the same hole. OK 👌 suuuurrrreeeee.
I know this is a year after the video. Can someone give some advice for a brand of ammo to buy that is subsonic, 300blk, 8” barrel, suppressed that is good for sound and home defense?
When using a bullet seating die with taper crimp, can you separate out those two functions? Maybe adjust die depth to avoid crimping while bullet seating then come back with the bullet seating stem screwed way out but with the die adjusted for crimping? So bullet seating first then crimping on the second run. Any reason that wouldn't work?
Yea, those Hornady SubX are very very nice subsonic .300 bullets for suppressed self defense... They do a lot of target damage... :)
Somebody posted a video about shooting these bullets in a 308. Bullet grenade!
Have you loaded any sub-sonic .308?. What's you opinion? .
What's your go to sub projectile for deer around 100yrds?
I’m a big fan of the 190 grain Makers T-Rex bullets in my CQB weapon as it is equipped with a 1:8 twist 8” barrel at this moment but I’d like to install a faster twist barrel for use with with Makers 220 grain T-Rex bullets.
300 blackout and bacon! Who could ask for anything more?!?
I had trouble when seating bullets pushing the casing neck down and belling out the shoulder. shell wouldn't chamber..
Great video and pigs to boot!