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There was a group of Syracuse University students and their teachers coming home on this flight after studying abroad. They never did make it back. Every year Syracuse University holds a memorial service for them, with chairs placed on the open yard in the same spots were the students were seated on the flight. It's saddening and beautiful to see all the messages students, alumni, and family members leave on each of the chairs. They will always be loved and remembered.
Was proud to witness that ceremony while a student there. They also opened up the archives while I was there one year showing personal belongings from the students on that flight. It's a touching tribute
35 Syracuse students. QUADAFI was finally shot by his own people and NATO air support 23 yrs late. Long overdue. He also blew up an L.T.U. L-1011. July 1988 over Chad killing 250 people. Thank You! Obama.
The FBI agent in here was my teacher when I got my degree in fire, arson, and explosion investigation. He went over this case in detail. It always amazed me how much information you can find from total destruction.
@@samlcyo2 no I don't. I got hired at a fire department shortly after. They have a investigation bureau. But I liked riding a truck so much I never did it. But they have asked if I wanted to.
What bothers me is, where have all these wonderful, honorable investigators in the FBI gone? These days, all we hear about are the FBI's Peter Strzok having affairs with FBI Attorney Lisa Page while openly conspiring to work against the President of the US and the vote of the American People, FBI Attorney Kevin Clinesmith lying about facts in order to fool a Judge to continue a FISA warrant on a sitting President, etc, etc, etc?? The FBI has turned into a JOKE. These Lockerbie Investigators gave their all to get to the bottom of a very difficult bombing, and in 30+ years are replaced with dishonorable, narcissistic political hacks. It is a damn shame.....
The acute attention to detail, the perseverance of the investigators, the astonishing coordination between the various different teams from various countries all together make for an extraordinary accomplishment worthy of praise by the entire world. Brilliance and tenacity, just amazing.
My cousin was one of the police officers who searched the countryside around Lockerbie after the crash. He was traumatised by finding human remains and personal effects and never got over it.
@@branon6565 and his son went on to serve in Ireland, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Iraq, Bosnia, etc. On retirement he worked as a volunteer with St John’s Ambulance service and ran the police youth group for aspiring policemen. Enough?
Me and my Dad seen this disaster. My dad was a truck driver and we were on our way to Edinburgh from Liverpool. I was only 9 but remeber it like it was yesterday. When the explosion and impact happened the sky was pitch black and it lit up like daylight and then dimmed like a dimmer switch. We were less than a mile from the impact zone on Lockerbie. RIP to all those who lost their lives that night
that must have left quite the impression on you, particularly given your age, and on your dad. i hope you've both been able to navigate that. all the best from Australia.
When I was in the Army, I was sent to Germany on TDY (Temporary Detached Duty). I finished my work early and was sent back to the States a few earlier than originally planned. My original "Return Ticket" had me on Pan Am Flight 103. Because I had completed my work in Germany, I was lucky to have missed this flight by returning 4 days early. I still get chills when I think about what could have happened....
Obviously God had other plans for you. You were very fortunate to be able to do something with your life. I'm sure you made the most of this second chance.
To those who replied, all I can say is "Yes, I tried to make the most of my Life and I can only hope that I did do some "good"". A good portion of my life has had these close calls. I had a faulty parachute and didn't have any broken bones from my hard landing..... In my first Enlistment (In the US Navy), I was blown off the deck of a carrier and survived the fall. During the rest of my career (US Army), I had quite a few close calls.... Yet, I'm still around.
My respect, but also sincere condolences to all the investigators who had to sift through debris to find human remains from the crash. What a traumatizing, sickening thing to experience.
I lost a friend on that flight who lived in the same Bronx neighborhood. She was one of the Syracuse students coming back home from her exchange program. God rest her soul along with the rest of the passengers and people from lockerbie, Scotland.
My father was scheduled to fly out of London to NYC that day, after a business trip. I never much used my cable TV News access, not being all that interested in TV. A friend called that evening, not knowing I had a parent coming back from the UK. I didn't know what flight he'd be on... I spent the evening trying to reach my mother, and trying to find where my father would be. Turns out he was supposed to be on that exact flight. Fortunately, he was a true introvert, and decided two days before leaving, to fly out of Manchester, rather than fly from London during the holiday season. This video hit me hard. My friend mentioned this disaster, of which I'd not learned at that time. My heart goes out to all who did lose loved ones that day.
Denice O'Neill, age 21, was on Pan Am Flight 103. She lived across the hall from me at Hampshire College in Amherst, Massachusetts, and used to come over and watch TV in the evenings with me and my roommates. She was a pre-med student and was returning to the U.S. after working for two and a half months at a hospital in Nigeria. She was in seat 38K.
My classmate from high school died on this flight. His name was Arva “Tony” Thomas. We were stationed in Hanau, Germany at the time. He was going back home to Detroit to his parents. He was living in Germany with his uncle, but things didn’t work out.Teens will be teens. His uncle said when he went to identify his body, he was intact. This was amazing, considering what happened to so many others who were near the bomb. I’ll never forget this, especially since we always flew Pan Am. My heart goes out to the families of the victims and my military community who lost their loved ones🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Exactly!! It was a horrible and tragic air disaster that night in Lockerbie. But like it was said before in a post above, you are learning! Sometimes the things you learn about aren't always happy and joyful...sometimes its god awful!! Its a case of how nasty a civilized intelligent group such as human being are no more evolutionary advanced than a deadly rattlesnake!! Maan has a long way to go...which was a lesson learned here!!
It's crazy than in 1988 they could identify the exact shop in Malta where the blown apart clothing had been sold....... it's crazy to me that that's even possible today, let alone in the 80s.
Malta's a really tiny island country in the mediterranean - only the three largest islands are inhabited so that definitely helped. Still though, it's miraculous that they were able to do it back then. Imagine if it came from a huge country like Russia, China, or Canada...it'd have been impossible then and probably pretty close to impossible now
It really reminds me of that Forensic Files episode where that creepy janitor at that apartment complex abducted that little girl from a Christmas party in the early 90s or late 80s, climbing out the back window with her then driving away. They found rayon fibers in the car and discovered the specific color was trademarked by JCPenny. They created a special royal purple-deep blue dye only to be used in a single garment for a single season -- a little girl's Sesame Street winter dress, what the girl had been wearing the night of her disappearance. They had all sold out but thankfully a single unworn dress had been the wrong size and returned to the store and they were able to compare the fibers and state that the man definitely had the little girl undress in his car, but he was still only charged with kidnapping and is out today, while his victim remains missing.
A friend and fellow USAF C-130 crew chief and her family were lost on flt 103. We were stationed at Sembach AB. Germany and they were on the way home for Christmas. RIP Dee and family..
Watching this reminds me of the days when I used to watch cable TV. Good old days when we didn't get to choose what we wanted to what, but just watched whatever was on at the time lol
Two words... Kurt & loder . the man who informed us of everything rock and roll. When they found kurt cobain dead it was kurt loder who let us all know. Good ol days indeed my friend.
I didn't realize that Pan Am had failed to observe the passenger-baggage reconciliation rule. I thought that that rule came about as a *consequence* of this incident. That was criminal negligence on Pan Am's part.
What's worse is that this came off the heels of another tragedy, Air India 182, which was the result of a bomb on a suitcase from a passenger who never got on. Passenger-baggage reconciliation was created off that incident, and yet Pan Am in Heathrow violated that rule.
George…because the Air India, I know it’s mentioned, was almost a disaster the rules were not implemented…which is why we get tags that match our ticket so there’s no mistake made.
Pan Am was already suffering from mismanagement, gas shortage, deregulation, National Airlines merger, and gulf war. Without Flight 103 the iconic airline would’ve ceased operations in 1991.
My cousin Carol was once a flight attendant-when they used to be called stewardesses. I'm sure my aunt and uncle-and us-would have been devastated had she-among those many others- been on that plane. RIP for all those lost here. I lost a friend-Dr. Larry McDonald-on the 007-and I know how I felt (regardless how anyone felt against him then. I believe there were others who were supposed to have been on that flight, but didn't get on for whatever reason). RIP, for all those also lost on 9/11 too!
My Nana was considering going on that flight but she ended up on the one right before it. I’m so thankful for that. She died of cancer a few years back when I was 7 or 8. RIP Nana. She was too young to die.
My father knew someone who was supposed to be on flight 103. The client went, against my fathers suggestion to talk to the opposing counsel for a court case. Almost immediately, they got into an argument, so the client went back to the airport to see if they had any earlier flights, and it turned out there was, about 2 hours earlier. There was ONE SEAT LEFT on the earlier flight. It was the craziest thing I've ever heard, and I think the guy framed his pan am 103 return ticket
Isn’t crazy how on every single one of these videos somebody has a miraculous story ab somebody they knew that was apart of, or was about to be apart of a particular disaster? The storytelling skills is immaculate I must say
@@bigslime2235 People lie on the internet. More news at 11. Anyway, in all seriousness, if I had some "near miss" or knew someone on a flight like this, I'd go to videos about that SPECIFIC flight too. It's not a stretch that other people do the same.
We drove thru Lockerbie a few years ago. I remember hearing about it as a kid. We stopped to tell our son - who was 15 - about it. It should always be remembered for the 270 people who were innocent victims.
ALOT of respect to the NTSB. The things they need to do, just to find what caused the accident must be a hard task. Weren't for them, the Airline industry will still not be that safe.
What are you talking about? The NTSB didn’t investigate this crash, at all. It was investigated by the Dumfries & Galloway Constabulary with the assistance of the US FBI and the UK Home Office. The NTSB doesn't investigate crashes in the UK, ever, and has no jurisdiction in crashes caused by criminal acts even within the US. Please tell me you aren’t so ignorant as to think the US investigates all plane crashes worldwide. Please tell me you don't think you're that important.
@@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co I am talking NTSB as a WHOLE Organization. Because at the end of the day, its going to SOMEONE at the top, in order get this crime or accident solved for whatever Airline incidents.
@@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co they US NTSB has been called in on many international plane crashes. Because of their extensive knowledge and up to date and new equipment. Get over yourself.
I remember this happening but never knew many of the details since I was still fairly young. Thanks for the information and am glad the people behind this were eventually charged etc.
I was in high school when this happened and I remember seeing that mother screaming and collapsing at the airport when she found out her daughter was on that flight.
In the early 2000's, Syracuse University initiated a Capital Campaign to create 35 named endowed scholarships (one for each of the 35 SU students killed on Flight 103) called "The Remembrance Scholarship Fund". I managed the team who actually reached out to alumni for gifts to support that endeavor. As call monitor, I will never forget the stories & sadness I heard first hand from friends of those students describing that horrific experience just before Christmas in 1988. It still affects me.
I'm amazed at these investigators. They figured out which articles of clothing were packed in the suitcase with the bomb, traced those clothes back to a single shop in Malta, the shopkeeper said the man who bought the clothes had a Libyan accent, etc. I can't believe how much info can be learned from tiny exploded fragments.
The fact that they can piece together the clues they did between minute 30 on is incredible. Not just the area where the bomb exploded, but what particular piece of luggage it originated from. I can barely do long division.
I feel similar but I also tell myself that these should make me feel safer lol, these have all already happened and for the most part it's produced real change for the better in the industry, only getting safer to fly. but scary yes lmao
@@zanechristiansen if you look at Boeing 737 max , they Knew airplane had problems years before crashes , they did Nothing about it . After few crash , they still didn’t do anything until the one in Nairobi in 2009 I was in Nairobi Aeroport in mai and June 2009 … give me the chills to see that yesterday . My point is , even crashs are happening and solved , that Doesn’t mean We Are safe . Money and profits over human souls …as always …
I wonder if she was at the crime scene? 21:17 Victims were found still clutching their crucifixes. A mother was found holding her infant to her body. Friends were still holding hands. These people had been conscious for the 90 second fall.
They reported that not all died as result of the bomb exploding. There was a flight attendant found with a pulse even, but died before they could get to them.
@@WickedlyMe328 I imagine most of the occupants didn't die from the explosion itself. It was a tiny bomb and while I'm sure maybe a few right next to it died from the explosion itself, there would have been far more only injured (even fatal wounding still generally takes time) or unharmed by the blast itself. Many more would be then injured or killed by the explosive decompression and break up of the plane fuselage. Honestly, i imagine quite a few (if not the majority) of the people survived in some form to be ejected from the plane.
@@WickedlyMe328 I read that as well. I think she was found near the nose. I don't remember if she ever recovered consciousness, but she was alive. Had they been able to immediately get her to a hospital, she might have survived. Big maybe. A lot of the bodies were intact. Initially the AAIB had to leave bodies in place in case there was evidence. One family recounted having a teenage boy's body on their stairs for several days. They eventually met the boy's family.
@@PolarizedMechs my friend’s granny lived in Lockerbie and she had 3 bodies in her garden one of whom was still in their seat and relatively in tact (the impact had been softened as the seat had hit a large tree first). James’s poor grandmother was haunted by the memory for the rest of her life, particularly of the pretty young woman in the seat who looked like she was merely asleep while the other two were horribly mangled and somehow less relatable.
I lived in London when this happened, and actually flew a few times from Heathrow to JFK using Pan AM between the years 1986-1988 What an enormous tragedy it was, 😢
I was studying abroad in France and flew back this same day. We heard murmuring midair and the flight home was the longest of my life. The what-happened and what-ifs were awful
Production values on these series are astounding. Casting is so good. Good thing they came out 17 years ago .... Otherwise nowadays everything will be CGI.
So many layers of intrigue after intrigue! Super well done. I flew on a few of these Pan Am flights between Heathrow and JFK before this tragedy. Heathwrenching loss~
The really sad part in all of this is, the town and people of Lockerbie were not the intended target. Lockerbie just happened to be where the plane crashed after the in-flight bombing at 31,000 feet and 500 miles an hour. Flight 103 was actually supposed to have been out over the open water when it was diverted over land longer than originally intended by air traffic controllers because of unexpected weather conditions. And the truth of the matter is, the perpetrators were planning for the plane to blow up and go down to the bottom of the ocean to make it much harder for investigators to figure out what had happened.
Yes, the Air India jet that was blown apart over the mid-Atlantic in 1985 must have got Gaddafi thinking. The colder, wilder, more northerly route planes take on their journey from Europe to America must have given the perpetrators confidence that the evidence linking the outrage back to them would never be found.
I remember the first news reports where I live. It was horrifying. I cannot imagine what the people of Lockerbie and the surrounding areas must have experienced. The investigators and all involved in sorting and collecting materials exemplify going above and beyond what anyone should experience. I hope the residents, passengers, crew, and the families have peace as a result of all the efforts.
This happened about 14 months after first child was born. I remember hearing the name "Lockerbie" a lot in the news but was so involved in my own little world, I didn't know what happened. What a horrendous incident! I feel sorrier for that small town and its survivors -- as well as the relatives of the people on board -- than anyone. They had to live with what happened. At least those who perished, did not suffer long.
I remember when this happened. I woke up in following morning to my mom telling me what happened. I was scheduled, and did go, on a European trip just 6 months later with my flight home leaving from Heathrow going to JFK. I found out during the school day that the Co pilot lived in the same town I lived and his daughter was the diving coach. I was on the swim team and the diving team always traveled with us to meets. We didn't really have a diving team that season. The diving coach wasn't able to work after this happened.
I took a Pan Am to London one year after this catastrophe. It was Christmas Day 1989. It was only 10 people on the flight and I asked the attendant why so few people and she said after this flight Pan Am will be going out of business
I remember this tragedy, it was one of the first disasters that I was really old enough (18) to pay attention to. The world seemed a little bit less safe to me from that point on.
It seems that the people who move in on a corporation aren't nearly the same quality as the people who built it. To them, it's money, not inspiration. Greed has consequences. Look what Disney has become. Even governments around the world. And when an organization gets bigger, it's more difficult to manage, more possibilities for errors and omissions, more impersonal, losing virtues.
@@hallucinatedovens8414 I know the reason he was killed wasn’t because of Lockerbie, per se. I’m just saying that his death was justice for the 270 people who died at Lockerbie, along with the Israeli athletes killed in Munich in 1972, and the death of British deputy constable Yvonne Fletcher in 1984.
Eerie to think this plane was built right near my home, at the NW end of the Paine Field/Snohomish County airport in Everett, WA. I lived at the SE end. The inaugural 747 flew low over my childhood home, one of the first homes after taking off. We saw the takeoff on TV and then rushed out to the driveway to see it go over.
That is so cool! I'm from the same area and had a similar experience with the inaugural flight of the 777X, but I wish I could've been around to see that...Dad was around back then, but they still lived in Chicago...he used to see 747s being built in the hangars during the summers he'd spend here with grandpa. Way past cool.
@@SkunkApe407lol I'm thinking the same thing... all Boeing's were built in their Everett factory at the time so I'm all confused on what is so "eerie" about that
@@WestCoastTruckingCEO probably just trying to feel relevant or connected to this in some way. Some folks think that every idea that pops into their head is some profound concept.
The bomb was originally timed so it would go off while the flight was over the Atlantic Ocean, like Air India three years prior, but the flight was delayed so it went off over land. Just goes to show how this could have been worse.
I remember when this happened, it was terrifying when we were told it was a bomb that slaughtered so many people, innocent people. Humans are so cruel to their own kind.. Why do we turn on each other in such brutality? I finally have figured it out, I'll keep that to myself.
A friend who was working for Radio Free Europe had attended a dinner the night before honoring a large group of American students members of a college symphony touring Europe. These students were on the flight. My friend still holds sorrow and anger about this. (Lockerbie is also the place where school children were murdered and some held hostage by a man in 1997?) It's a dear town in beautiful Scotland.
For the young people, this made an impression on the world like Katrina, the Bombing of the Federal building in Oklahoma and 9/11. Everything that happened did so because we dropped the ball somewhere along the line. No matter your profession, treat it as the most important job in the world, you'll never know when someone's life will depend on it.
I don't watch the air disaster videos for entertainment but rather to get a general idea and more knowledge about aviation. There was one video where 2 planes collided mid-air over the Grand Canyon. The video must have shown one of the planes plowing into the side of a cliff at least 3 to 4 times for some reason and I was going to turn it off because I couldn't stand to see it one more time. But the plane wasn't shown again. All of these videos are hard to watch and I reach a point where I can't watch anymore. I find aviation fascinating and watching these videos shows the history of certain brands of planes and safety developments that we all take for granted today. I also like to watch 74Gear in which a pilot explains step by step everything that happens in the video. If you like Mayday Mayday, try 74Gear also.
Almost 33 years and still not forgotten. It didn't surprise me at the time that Libya was behind it (It had to either be them or Iran) The once world famous Pan Am would not survive this happening and was gone within three years. The bomber was given a medical release from prison in 2009 and died of cancer three years later.
Cancer is only goo for people like them. No one should die because they don’t share the same beliefs as the terrorist but that’s logical thinking they’re not capable of.
@@NendoCrescendo that’s not what it’s about. What have the hundreds of thousands or millions of Iraqis killed due to the illegal U.S. invasion/forever war died for? What was the reason they all had to die? Weapons of mass destruction that didn’t actually exist? 9/11 which they had no connection to? Let’s see the great U.S./Western logic there
@@penyarol83 “terrorist” I said terrorists. At no point did I say anything about the average Afghan or Iraq citizen. Maybe try to comprehend my comment before replying.
@@NendoCrescendo take your own advice. My point is we always see these individuals as the uniquely bad terrorists but don't see the terroristic actions and crimes against humanity of the governments they're fighting back against.
May all of the souls who lost their lives on Pan Am 103 rest in peace plus may those 11 souls from Lockerbie who died in this horrendous accident rest in peace as well
My uncle was supposed to be FE on that flight but he was notified two days before that he was getting close to exceeding the flight time he was allowed and he chose not to deadhead on that plane but to take another flight, luck was defiantly on his side.
Kind of adds yet another layer of eerie if you ever have or currently do live under a flight path. Imagine watching the start of this as a plane rumbles overhead, vibrations rattling distantly through the frame of your home?
A small private plane crashed on my street a few years ago. I’ll never forget how the street and our house shook, or the sound of it coming down and crashing. I still look up in the sky when a plane sounds a little too loud. And that was only a small plane. I can’t even fathom the feeling of a commercial jet coming down by your home.
i live right by an airport. the day after my twenty second birthday, a small private plane fell on my street. i remember i was at home when i heard what i thought was a car crashing into something. i remember going outside and seeing black smoke and i remember the little kids that lived at the corner walking past my house carrying their dogs. the entire neighborhood was outside and my next door neighbor told me a plane had fallen. there were a couple of explosions and then the police and firefighters arrived to close down the block. the worst part was the little old lady that lived in one of the two houses hit was crying and screaming because she was scared to lose her home. her neighbors were dragging her away from the house and the next time i saw her she had fainted and was being put into a car to be driven to the hospital. after that incident, i remember people walking past our street would kind of run and cover their heads when an airplane was flying overhead. anytime i saw a plane coming to land and i felt it was too low, i would brace myself to hear the sound of metal crashing down again.
There were hundreds other electronics on board, cameras, watches, cassette players etc, it is amazing how the FBI and others can distinguish a circuit boards.
It was the location of these pieces that were the clue. The only way they could get to where they were found was to be in the suitcase that exploded or directly in the path of the fragments. Finding the radio part in a folded up scrap of metal front the container was good, but the timer fragment was in the clothes that were in the suitcase and that really sealed it.
The bomber was released by the Scottish government after serving 8.5 years. He was celebrated as a hero in his home country. The Scottish and British governments agreed to his release in order to secure trade deals with Libya. He killed 259 people and died in his bed, at home, surrounded by family.
That's just so fucked up...what is wrong with our justice system? He probably passed on his messed up genes to more people after he was released, too. Smh.
It was on the grounds of compassionate release (medical illness) in his case was prostate cancer. In some countries no matter how cruel your crimes were, if you were sick with something terminal you were let go when applied.
This was a World War in its own right. The War on Terror before Afghanistan, and the war to save the aviation industry. Some of these words may be controversial. Apologies in advance.
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My brothers in Christ… the F-22 existed
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I had a friend father was was killed in It was a good man left behind her her daughter
They lived in Joplin, Missouri. It was a good man.
A beast yes, however most powerful military jet? No, far from it.
People forget about roles for planes.
There was a group of Syracuse University students and their teachers coming home on this flight after studying abroad. They never did make it back. Every year Syracuse University holds a memorial service for them, with chairs placed on the open yard in the same spots were the students were seated on the flight. It's saddening and beautiful to see all the messages students, alumni, and family members leave on each of the chairs. They will always be loved and remembered.
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Was proud to witness that ceremony while a student there. They also opened up the archives while I was there one year showing personal belongings from the students on that flight. It's a touching tribute
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35 Syracuse students. QUADAFI was finally shot by his own people and NATO air support 23 yrs late. Long overdue. He also blew up an L.T.U. L-1011. July 1988 over Chad killing 250 people. Thank You! Obama.
The memorial sounds beautiful.
The FBI agent in here was my teacher when I got my degree in fire, arson, and explosion investigation. He went over this case in detail. It always amazed me how much information you can find from total destruction.
Do you still work as an investigator?
@@samlcyo2 no I don't. I got hired at a fire department shortly after. They have a investigation bureau. But I liked riding a truck so much I never did it. But they have asked if I wanted to.
@@justinmay7236 That sounds amazing!
What bothers me is, where have all these wonderful, honorable investigators in the FBI gone? These days, all we hear about are the FBI's Peter Strzok having affairs with FBI Attorney Lisa Page while openly conspiring to work against the President of the US and the vote of the American People, FBI Attorney Kevin Clinesmith lying about facts in order to fool a Judge to continue a FISA warrant on a sitting President, etc, etc, etc?? The FBI has turned into a JOKE. These Lockerbie Investigators gave their all to get to the bottom of a very difficult bombing, and in 30+ years are replaced with dishonorable, narcissistic political hacks. It is a damn shame.....
@@samlcyo2 yeah, it's pretty fun. Best job I've ever had.
The acute attention to detail, the perseverance of the investigators, the astonishing coordination between the various different teams from various countries all together make for an extraordinary accomplishment worthy of praise by the entire world. Brilliance and tenacity, just amazing.
My cousin was one of the police officers who searched the countryside around Lockerbie after the crash. He was traumatised by finding human remains and personal effects and never got over it.
It was just awful.
Wow, then he would've made a horrible combat soldier, cuz what we witnessed, and had to do, in Iraq and Afghanistan was way worse than what he saw....
@@branon6565 and his son went on to serve in Ireland, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Iraq, Bosnia, etc. On retirement he worked as a volunteer with St John’s Ambulance service and ran the police youth group for aspiring policemen. Enough?
@@branon6565 he would have been Scottish they were never in Afghanistan or Iraq.
@@branon6565 your attitude really justifies your username
Me and my Dad seen this disaster. My dad was a truck driver and we were on our way to Edinburgh from Liverpool. I was only 9 but remeber it like it was yesterday. When the explosion and impact happened the sky was pitch black and it lit up like daylight and then dimmed like a dimmer switch. We were less than a mile from the impact zone on Lockerbie. RIP to all those who lost their lives that night
that must have left quite the impression on you, particularly given your age, and on your dad. i hope you've both been able to navigate that. all the best from Australia.
Lockerbie.
When I was in the Army, I was sent to Germany on TDY (Temporary Detached Duty). I finished my work early and was sent back to the States a few earlier than originally planned. My original "Return Ticket" had me on Pan Am Flight 103. Because I had completed my work in Germany, I was lucky to have missed this flight by returning 4 days early. I still get chills when I think about what could have happened....
Obviously God had other plans for you. You were very fortunate to be able to do something with your life. I'm sure you made the most of this second chance.
AmenGod does work in unusual ways..you are blessed.
What could have happened happened, just not to you. Pretty lucky.
To those who replied, all I can say is "Yes, I tried to make the most of my Life and I can only hope that I did do some "good"". A good portion of my life has had these close calls. I had a faulty parachute and didn't have any broken bones from my hard landing..... In my first Enlistment (In the US Navy), I was blown off the deck of a carrier and survived the fall. During the rest of my career (US Army), I had quite a few close calls.... Yet, I'm still around.
@@harveyblankenship564 Was it flight 103 on that day? I'm sure there was many flight 103s, they only discontinue flight numbers after an accident.
My respect, but also sincere condolences to all the investigators who had to sift through debris to find human remains from the crash. What a traumatizing, sickening thing to experience.
I lost a friend on that flight who lived in the same Bronx neighborhood. She was one of the Syracuse students coming back home from her exchange program. God rest her soul along with the rest of the
passengers and people from lockerbie, Scotland.
My father was scheduled to fly out of London to NYC that day, after a business trip. I never much used my cable TV News access, not being all that interested in TV. A friend called that evening, not knowing I had a parent coming back from the UK. I didn't know what flight he'd be on... I spent the evening trying to reach my mother, and trying to find where my father would be.
Turns out he was supposed to be on that exact flight. Fortunately, he was a true introvert, and decided two days before leaving, to fly out of Manchester, rather than fly from London during the holiday season.
This video hit me hard. My friend mentioned this disaster, of which I'd not learned at that time.
My heart goes out to all who did lose loved ones that day.
Denice O'Neill, age 21, was on Pan Am Flight 103. She lived across the hall from me at Hampshire College in Amherst, Massachusetts, and used to come over and watch TV in the evenings with me and my roommates. She was a pre-med student and was returning to the U.S. after working for two and a half months at a hospital in Nigeria. She was in seat 38K.
Sorry for you loss. 😢😢
the largest crime scene in the world is auschwitz
The wicked witch is dead
That's so sad. it's awful her life was cut short all those years ago now. I was 17 then, 53 now. So much life lost that horrible night.
May her beautiful soul rest in peace.
My classmate from high school died on this flight. His name was Arva “Tony” Thomas. We were stationed in Hanau, Germany at the time. He was going back home to Detroit to his parents. He was living in Germany with his uncle, but things didn’t work out.Teens will be teens. His uncle said when he went to identify his body, he was intact. This was amazing, considering what happened to so many others who were near the bomb. I’ll never forget this, especially since we always flew Pan Am. My heart goes out to the families of the victims and my military community who lost their loved ones🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
My condolences
my condolences. May his soul rest in peace.
Honestly, it's my favorite Mayday episode of all time, thank you for uploading it!!!!!!
R.I.P to all of the souls lost in this crash🙏
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Crash? It WAS Islamic extremism….dear me wake up FFS!!!
This series is extremely well produced. I just feel a little guilty being entertained by air disasters.
Agree! Me too. But knowing make us more safer
Nope. You’re learning. The mind accumulates “stay safe” data. Don’t feel guilty. Feel Human.
the entire world gets captivated by serial killer documentaries, don’t feel bad
Exactly!! It was a horrible and tragic air disaster that night in Lockerbie. But like it was said before in a post above, you are learning! Sometimes the things you learn about aren't always happy and joyful...sometimes its god awful!! Its a case of how nasty a civilized intelligent group such as human being are no more evolutionary advanced than a deadly rattlesnake!! Maan has a long way to go...which was a lesson learned here!!
I like the "mystery" part of it, trying to figure out what happened before the reveal.
I absolutely love watching these videos. Each one is a lil bit of history... sad, horrific history.
The episodes are done so well. One Love
It's crazy than in 1988 they could identify the exact shop in Malta where the blown apart clothing had been sold....... it's crazy to me that that's even possible today, let alone in the 80s.
Malta's a really tiny island country in the mediterranean - only the three largest islands are inhabited so that definitely helped. Still though, it's miraculous that they were able to do it back then. Imagine if it came from a huge country like Russia, China, or Canada...it'd have been impossible then and probably pretty close to impossible now
It really reminds me of that Forensic Files episode where that creepy janitor at that apartment complex abducted that little girl from a Christmas party in the early 90s or late 80s, climbing out the back window with her then driving away. They found rayon fibers in the car and discovered the specific color was trademarked by JCPenny. They created a special royal purple-deep blue dye only to be used in a single garment for a single season -- a little girl's Sesame Street winter dress, what the girl had been wearing the night of her disappearance. They had all sold out but thankfully a single unworn dress had been the wrong size and returned to the store and they were able to compare the fibers and state that the man definitely had the little girl undress in his car, but he was still only charged with kidnapping and is out today, while his victim remains missing.
@@pickles3128 litterly watched that like 3 months ago
@@pickles3128
I recall that pos.
Yeah. Even way way back they had developed crime scene techniques like for Jack the ripper. Black Dalia. Ect.
A friend and fellow USAF C-130 crew chief and her family were lost on flt 103. We were stationed at Sembach AB. Germany and they were on the way home for Christmas. RIP Dee and family..
Watching this reminds me of the days when I used to watch cable TV. Good old days when we didn't get to choose what we wanted to what, but just watched whatever was on at the time lol
Ah, the good ole days with Network commercials, especially my favorites (the Geico Geeko, and the M&M candy dudes)
I remember those days as well. But I love being able to search and choose what I want to watch now on TH-cam.
Two words...
Kurt & loder . the man who informed us of everything rock and roll. When they found kurt cobain dead it was kurt loder who let us all know. Good ol days indeed my friend.
I didn't realize that Pan Am had failed to observe the passenger-baggage reconciliation rule. I thought that that rule came about as a *consequence* of this incident. That was criminal negligence on Pan Am's part.
What's worse is that this came off the heels of another tragedy, Air India 182, which was the result of a bomb on a suitcase from a passenger who never got on. Passenger-baggage reconciliation was created off that incident, and yet Pan Am in Heathrow violated that rule.
George…because the Air India, I know it’s mentioned, was almost a disaster the rules were not implemented…which is why we get tags that match our ticket so there’s no mistake made.
Criminal?
Before September 11 , it was easy to do this after September 11, airports became more strict
@@eli4delmar leading to the death of the passengers due to negligence or not following safety policy?
What A Horrific Disaster RIP To All Souls Lost On Board & In Town☹️
Best narrator ever
I agree. Yes.
@@missasinenomine Will Lyman from "Frontline".
His name is Jonathan Aris in case you were wondering
Pan Am was already suffering from mismanagement, gas shortage, deregulation, National Airlines merger, and gulf war. Without Flight 103 the iconic airline would’ve ceased operations in 1991.
Correct, just two years prior to Lockerbie, another PanAm 747 was actually hijacked.
This in addition to having one of their planes hit by another airliner on the runway
@@jesspavlichenko5745 That was all the way back in 1977, it didn't have any effect on Pan Am' downfall, especially since the KLM 747 took the blame
My cousin Carol was once a flight attendant-when they used to be called stewardesses. I'm sure my aunt and uncle-and us-would have been devastated had she-among those many others- been on that plane. RIP for all those lost here. I lost a friend-Dr. Larry McDonald-on the 007-and I know how I felt (regardless how anyone felt against him then. I believe there were others who were supposed to have been on that flight, but didn't get on for whatever reason). RIP, for all those also lost on 9/11 too!
My Nana was considering going on that flight but she ended up on the one right before it. I’m so thankful for that. She died of cancer a few years back when I was 7 or 8. RIP Nana. She was too young to die.
Tough episode to remain analytical. You pulled it of. Thank you.
My father knew someone who was supposed to be on flight 103.
The client went, against my fathers suggestion to talk to the opposing counsel for a court case. Almost immediately, they got into an argument, so the client went back to the airport to see if they had any earlier flights, and it turned out there was, about 2 hours earlier. There was ONE SEAT LEFT on the earlier flight. It was the craziest thing I've ever heard, and I think the guy framed his pan am 103 return ticket
Isn’t crazy how on every single one of these videos somebody has a miraculous story ab somebody they knew that was apart of, or was about to be apart of a particular disaster? The storytelling skills is immaculate I must say
@@bigslime2235 People lie on the internet. More news at 11. Anyway, in all seriousness, if I had some "near miss" or knew someone on a flight like this, I'd go to videos about that SPECIFIC flight too. It's not a stretch that other people do the same.
*Lockerbie* - One of the infamous names in history
kinda like your mom
😂
@@billponderosa88
Dude. Not funny.
Not for something like this.
270 people died violently. Show some class.
@@equarg Some people have no class. Just stupidity...
We drove thru Lockerbie a few years ago. I remember hearing about it as a kid. We stopped to tell our son - who was 15 - about it. It should always be remembered for the 270 people who were innocent victims.
These guys are very good at what they do. Their best abilities--perseverance, patience, and an ability to refuse to give up.
@sharonloomis5264......Utter bullshit! The incompetence of both Thurman and Marquise is off the scale.
The investigation of this crime is amazing! So many little details.
ALOT of respect to the NTSB. The things they need to do, just to find what caused the accident must be a hard task. Weren't for them, the Airline industry will still not be that safe.
What are you talking about? The NTSB didn’t investigate this crash, at all. It was investigated by the Dumfries & Galloway Constabulary with the assistance of the US FBI and the UK Home Office.
The NTSB doesn't investigate crashes in the UK, ever, and has no jurisdiction in crashes caused by criminal acts even within the US.
Please tell me you aren’t so ignorant as to think the US investigates all plane crashes worldwide. Please tell me you don't think you're that important.
@@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co I am talking NTSB as a WHOLE Organization. Because at the end of the day, its going to SOMEONE at the top, in order get this crime or accident solved for whatever Airline incidents.
They're the best in the business.
@@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co they US NTSB has been called in on many international plane crashes. Because of their extensive knowledge and up to date and new equipment. Get over yourself.
@@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co The NTSB is often called in for crashes all over the world if an American plane was involved.
I remember this happening but never knew many of the details since I was still fairly young. Thanks for the information and am glad the people behind this were eventually charged etc.
My flight was changed from that night. My boss' brother was on it. So horrific.
Man... Gosh.. Why were you bounced? Overbook?
My classmate perished too... Totally sucks to this day...Glad your ok man...
You’re flight was coincidentally changed from that night? Hmmm you got any proof?
I was in high school when this happened and I remember seeing that mother screaming and collapsing at the airport when she found out her daughter was on that flight.
In the early 2000's, Syracuse University initiated a Capital Campaign to create 35 named endowed scholarships (one for each of the 35 SU students killed on Flight 103) called "The Remembrance Scholarship Fund". I managed the team who actually reached out to alumni for gifts to support that endeavor. As call monitor, I will never forget the stories & sadness I heard first hand from friends of those students describing that horrific experience just before Christmas in 1988. It still affects me.
I'm amazed at these investigators. They figured out which articles of clothing were packed in the suitcase with the bomb, traced those clothes back to a single shop in Malta, the shopkeeper said the man who bought the clothes had a Libyan accent, etc. I can't believe how much info can be learned from tiny exploded fragments.
Lies and coverup
@@Agapy8888what? Get real troll!
The fact that they can piece together the clues they did between minute 30 on is incredible. Not just the area where the bomb exploded, but what particular piece of luggage it originated from. I can barely do long division.
The investigative work done by investigators is just amazing.
Every time I watch these, I swear I’m not getting an airplane again
I feel similar but I also tell myself that these should make me feel safer lol, these have all already happened and for the most part it's produced real change for the better in the industry, only getting safer to fly. but scary yes lmao
@@zanechristiansen if you look at Boeing 737 max , they Knew airplane had problems years before crashes , they did Nothing about it .
After few crash , they still didn’t do anything until the one in Nairobi in 2009
I was in Nairobi Aeroport in mai and June 2009 … give me the chills to see that yesterday .
My point is , even crashs are happening and solved , that Doesn’t mean We Are safe .
Money and profits over human souls …as always …
@@LaGamyne The DC-10 was like that too
@@LaGamyne basically we're effed anyway yea? yea. 🥴🤷♀️
Yeah they are purdy expensive
I’m from Syracuse, this flight had 35 students from the college
I wonder if she was at the crime scene? 21:17 Victims were found still clutching their crucifixes. A mother was found holding her infant to her body. Friends were still holding hands. These people had been conscious for the 90 second fall.
They reported that not all died as result of the bomb exploding. There was a flight attendant found with a pulse even, but died before they could get to them.
@@WickedlyMe328 I imagine most of the occupants didn't die from the explosion itself. It was a tiny bomb and while I'm sure maybe a few right next to it died from the explosion itself, there would have been far more only injured (even fatal wounding still generally takes time) or unharmed by the blast itself. Many more would be then injured or killed by the explosive decompression and break up of the plane fuselage. Honestly, i imagine quite a few (if not the majority) of the people survived in some form to be ejected from the plane.
@@alexsis1778 I’m going by what they reported about it. A flight attendant was found with a pulse initially but they couldn’t get her help in time
@@WickedlyMe328 I read that as well. I think she was found near the nose. I don't remember if she ever recovered consciousness, but she was alive. Had they been able to immediately get her to a hospital, she might have survived. Big maybe.
A lot of the bodies were intact. Initially the AAIB had to leave bodies in place in case there was evidence. One family recounted having a teenage boy's body on their stairs for several days. They eventually met the boy's family.
@@PolarizedMechs my friend’s granny lived in Lockerbie and she had 3 bodies in her garden one of whom was still in their seat and relatively in tact (the impact had been softened as the seat had hit a large tree first). James’s poor grandmother was haunted by the memory for the rest of her life, particularly of the pretty young woman in the seat who looked like she was merely asleep while the other two were horribly mangled and somehow less relatable.
I lived in London when this happened, and actually flew a few times from Heathrow to JFK using Pan AM between the years 1986-1988
What an enormous tragedy it was, 😢
My co-workers son died in this crash. It destroyed her, emotionally and physically. She was a physician.
Womp womp
This was so sad and shocking. I remember this disaster like it was yesterday. RIP to all of the victims that surely did not deserve this fate.
I was studying abroad in France and flew back this same day. We heard murmuring midair and the flight home was the longest of my life. The what-happened and what-ifs were awful
Production values on these series are astounding. Casting is so good. Good thing they came out 17 years ago .... Otherwise nowadays everything will be CGI.
So many layers of intrigue after intrigue!
Super well done.
I flew on a few of these Pan Am flights between Heathrow and JFK before this tragedy.
Heathwrenching loss~
Its so sad that all of those innocent had to die. RIP
@thegreen iguana I thought those at fault were the people who blew up the plane. Silly me.
@thegreen iguana the blood is on the hands of those killing innocents for political agendas, simp
@@goclunker finally, someone calling someone a "simp" in a manner I can actually agree with....
@thegreen iguana the blood is in the hands of those who blew up the plane not Israel.
@thegreen iguana in real life, you sure seem to get your azz kicked so you come to the internet to post this ridiculous dribble.
The really sad part in all of this is, the town and people of Lockerbie were not the intended target.
Lockerbie just happened to be where the plane crashed after the in-flight bombing at 31,000 feet and 500 miles an hour.
Flight 103 was actually supposed to have been out over the open water when it was diverted over land longer than originally intended by air traffic controllers because of unexpected weather conditions.
And the truth of the matter is, the perpetrators were planning for the plane to blow up and go down to the bottom of the ocean to make it much harder for investigators to figure out what had happened.
Yes, the Air India jet that was blown apart over the mid-Atlantic in 1985 must have got Gaddafi thinking. The colder, wilder, more northerly route planes take on their journey from Europe to America must have given the perpetrators confidence that the evidence linking the outrage back to them would never be found.
I remember the first news reports where I live. It was horrifying. I cannot imagine what the people of Lockerbie and the surrounding areas must have experienced. The investigators and all involved in sorting and collecting materials exemplify going above and beyond what anyone should experience. I hope the residents, passengers, crew, and the families have peace as a result of all the efforts.
This happened about 14 months after first child was born. I remember hearing the name "Lockerbie" a lot in the news but was so involved in my own little world, I didn't know what happened. What a horrendous incident! I feel sorrier for that small town and its survivors -- as well as the relatives of the people on board -- than anyone. They had to live with what happened. At least those who perished, did not suffer long.
I can’t imagine living in that town when this happened… I’d think the world was ending
I remember when this happened. I woke up in following morning to my mom telling me what happened. I was scheduled, and did go, on a European trip just 6 months later with my flight home leaving from Heathrow going to JFK. I found out during the school day that the Co pilot lived in the same town I lived and his daughter was the diving coach. I was on the swim team and the diving team always traveled with us to meets. We didn't really have a diving team that season. The diving coach wasn't able to work after this happened.
Yeah whatever 🥱 you just found out that day lmaooo
I took a Pan Am to London one year after this catastrophe. It was Christmas Day 1989. It was only 10 people on the flight and I asked the attendant why so few people and she said after this flight Pan Am will be going out of business
I don't understand how someone could do such a thing. People are truly sick
Humans are the most despicable species on earth.
We live in evil & dark world!!
That have no conscience...it’s like they aren’t even human!!! They are demonic!!
Religious nut cases.
supposedly it was "revenge" for Iran flight 655, which killed 290 people after it was shot down by a US Navy cruiser.
I remember this tragedy, it was one of the first disasters that I was really old enough (18) to pay attention to. The world seemed a little bit less safe to me from that point on.
Why does the German police portrayed in this video look like they’re from the matrix
THE POLIZEI DON'T MESS AROUND!
Because they are.
What is the matrix?
@@sharonloomis5264
Look it up!
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This episode was extremely well done and very informative. Horrific incident.
Lockerbie really was the straw that broke the camel's back for Pan Am.
Such a shame, so many lives lost, a great airline, all in the name of a political war that had nothing to do with the souls who paid for it.
It seems that the people who move in on a corporation aren't nearly the same quality as the people who built it. To them, it's money, not inspiration. Greed has consequences. Look what Disney has become. Even governments around the world. And when an organization gets bigger, it's more difficult to manage, more possibilities for errors and omissions, more impersonal, losing virtues.
@@goclunker I'm glad that Gaddaffi was finally deposed back in 2011, ordering such an atrocity was unforgivable.
@@DesGardius-me7gf makes you consider what atrocities might have instigated such a violent reaction 🤔
@@hallucinatedovens8414 I know the reason he was killed wasn’t because of Lockerbie, per se. I’m just saying that his death was justice for the 270 people who died at Lockerbie, along with the Israeli athletes killed in Munich in 1972, and the death of British deputy constable Yvonne Fletcher in 1984.
I'm sure it had to be one on the most terrifying experiences those innocent victims had to go through before passing out R.I.P🙏❤ 😭😤😡😢😪🤧🙏❤
Explosive decompression, a shock wave of cold, noise and wind at 31,000ft going at 500mph.
Eerie to think this plane was built right near my home, at the NW end of the Paine Field/Snohomish County airport in Everett, WA. I lived at the SE end. The inaugural 747 flew low over my childhood home, one of the first homes after taking off. We saw the takeoff on TV and then rushed out to the driveway to see it go over.
Um, the construction of this plane had nothing to do with its destruction. What exactly is "eerie" about it?
That is so cool! I'm from the same area and had a similar experience with the inaugural flight of the 777X, but I wish I could've been around to see that...Dad was around back then, but they still lived in Chicago...he used to see 747s being built in the hangars during the summers he'd spend here with grandpa. Way past cool.
@@SkunkApe407lol I'm thinking the same thing... all Boeing's were built in their Everett factory at the time so I'm all confused on what is so "eerie" about that
@@WestCoastTruckingCEO probably just trying to feel relevant or connected to this in some way. Some folks think that every idea that pops into their head is some profound concept.
one of my fav episodes on mayday of all time
I remember when this happened. I had just gotten out of the navy the month before.
It just seemed so unbelievable back in 1988.
I remember this horrific incident!
What a devestating chain of events! The people on Pan Am and the residents on the ground that were killed.😢
Great vid, thanks for the upload. RIP to all the victims of Flight 103.
This was mentioned in the following:
Metal Gear Solid 2 (Tanker mission)
Seconds From Disaster (Air France 4590 and BM Flight 92 episodes)
Bless the 259 people who were in the plane and the families who suffered also.
There were also 11 who died on the ground
Very well put-together documentary.
Excellent investigative work done by all agencies!
The bomb was originally timed so it would go off while the flight was over the Atlantic Ocean, like Air India three years prior, but the flight was delayed so it went off over land. Just goes to show how this could have been worse.
I remember the former head of the Flight 103 Victims Association, Frank Dugen, saying the same thing in another documentary.
I remember when this happened, it was terrifying when we were told it was a bomb that slaughtered so many people, innocent people. Humans are so cruel to their own kind.. Why do we turn on each other in such brutality? I finally have figured it out, I'll keep that to myself.
Tell us
@@Andrew_willio 🤐
@@Andrew_willio
All you have to do is look around, it's everywhere and it is the root of ALL EVIL!
GREED!!!!!!
I think the same,,,Pure Evil,,Pure HATE towards others.
Humans are even more cruel to non-human animals.
So very much impressive the investigative effort and worked of all the people involved. So valuable. Well done all.
Rock musician, Paul Jeffreys and his wife were among the ones onboard.
RIP 🪦 God Rest Both Paul Jeffreys & His Wife
John Lydon was almost on it
Johnny Rotten and his wife had seats on the plane, but missed the flight. They arrived late and lived.
@@loismiller2830 Thank Goodness They Missed The Flight Cause If They Had Boarded The Plane They Wouldn’t Have Survived The Plane Crash
this is excellently made episode. look at narration and visuals.
A friend who was working for Radio Free Europe had attended a dinner the night before honoring a large group of American students members of a college symphony touring Europe. These students were on the flight. My friend still holds sorrow and anger about this. (Lockerbie is also the place where school children were murdered and some held hostage by a man in 1997?) It's a dear town in beautiful Scotland.
The school incident was Dunblane I think, I have very vague memories of hearing about it on TV
You're thinking of Dunblane, 1996. A gunman wielding pistols killed multiple students and faculty.
Excellent information and narration. Condolences to the families of the deceased and the loved ones...
It's awful to think that you could die as the result of a plane crash when you weren't even on that plane 💔
if a plane falls on you it's pretty much safe to say your dead..
For the young people, this made an impression on the world like Katrina, the Bombing of the Federal building in Oklahoma and 9/11.
Everything that happened did so because we dropped the ball somewhere along the line.
No matter your profession, treat it as the most important job in the world, you'll never know when someone's life will depend on it.
Wise words
@@kgbyrd8204 Thank you Michael and Happy Thanksgiving. ✌ 🙏
I don't watch the air disaster videos for entertainment but rather to get a general idea and more knowledge about aviation. There was one video where 2 planes collided mid-air over the Grand Canyon. The video must have shown one of the planes plowing into the side of a cliff at least 3 to 4 times for some reason and I was going to turn it off because I couldn't stand to see it one more time. But the plane wasn't shown again. All of these videos are hard to watch and I reach a point where I can't watch anymore. I find aviation fascinating and watching these videos shows the history of certain brands of planes and safety developments that we all take for granted today. I also like to watch 74Gear in which a pilot explains step by step everything that happens in the video. If you like Mayday Mayday, try 74Gear also.
6 people initially survived the crash but unfortunately passed due to their severe injuries before rescue could get to them
What really screws with me is that some survived the explosion and decompression and even survived the fall.....those poor people .....
Will you be making the private videos available also? Thanks for sharing the content.
And the only person who was convicted was released on 'compassion' grounds and got to live 3 years free in Libya. Great 'justice' there.
One of the ones that got away was just killed yesterday in Canada, so it did eventually catch up to them
different bombing@@laethe230
This investigation is incredibly impressive.
An astounding episode. Wow.
Almost 33 years and still not forgotten. It didn't surprise me at the time that Libya was behind it (It had to either be them or Iran)
The once world famous Pan Am would not survive this happening and was gone within three years.
The bomber was given a medical release from prison in 2009 and died of cancer three years later.
Cancer is only goo for people like them. No one should die because they don’t share the same beliefs as the terrorist but that’s logical thinking they’re not capable of.
@@NendoCrescendo not pancreatic cancer.
@@NendoCrescendo that’s not what it’s about. What have the hundreds of thousands or millions of Iraqis killed due to the illegal U.S. invasion/forever war died for? What was the reason they all had to die? Weapons of mass destruction that didn’t actually exist? 9/11 which they had no connection to? Let’s see the great U.S./Western logic there
@@penyarol83 “terrorist” I said terrorists. At no point did I say anything about the average Afghan or Iraq citizen. Maybe try to comprehend my comment before replying.
@@NendoCrescendo take your own advice. My point is we always see these individuals as the uniquely bad terrorists but don't see the terroristic actions and crimes against humanity of the governments they're fighting back against.
The cowardly act of one man, causes so many lost lives, and for what? What did it accomplish?
good question. To his deranged mind who knows? Death, destruction and infamy are intoxicating to some people I suppose.
Its called jihad. Look it up. In the koran it is praised
@@joegiuseppepalermo2755 He’s actually correct. Jihad is often like that.
This is what happens when America abuse kids and sweep it under the rug!! Sad that the innocent has to suffer for it!!!
The idiot thinks his made up invisible skyman will reward him in paradise.
I visited the memorial in Lockerbie. It is very low key and dignified. Very very touching.
The worst part of this is that Kenny MacAskill released Abdelbaset al-Megrahi from prison on "compassionate" grounds.
May all of the souls who lost their lives on Pan Am 103 rest in peace plus may those 11 souls from Lockerbie who died in this horrendous accident rest in peace as well
My uncle was supposed to be FE on that flight but he was notified two days before that he was getting close to exceeding the flight time he was allowed and he chose not to deadhead on that plane but to take another flight, luck was defiantly on his side.
I went to school in Lockerbie. I live in Canada and could not believe what I was hearing on the radio. I was devastated.
I am very saddened that this happened. The people on the aircraft did NOT merit what horrible fate that they were met with.
Anyone thinking of watching this i recommend done with care and respect great fact and great information ..
"Largest crime scene in the world"
9/11: Hold my airplane
Kind of adds yet another layer of eerie if you ever have or currently do live under a flight path. Imagine watching the start of this as a plane rumbles overhead, vibrations rattling distantly through the frame of your home?
I had the same thought. It's cute that my kid points out airplanes all day, but it's actually pretty scary :(
A small private plane crashed on my street a few years ago. I’ll never forget how the street and our house shook, or the sound of it coming down and crashing. I still look up in the sky when a plane sounds a little too loud. And that was only a small plane. I can’t even fathom the feeling of a commercial jet coming down by your home.
i live right by an airport. the day after my twenty second birthday, a small private plane fell on my street. i remember i was at home when i heard what i thought was a car crashing into something. i remember going outside and seeing black smoke and i remember the little kids that lived at the corner walking past my house carrying their dogs. the entire neighborhood was outside and my next door neighbor told me a plane had fallen. there were a couple of explosions and then the police and firefighters arrived to close down the block. the worst part was the little old lady that lived in one of the two houses hit was crying and screaming because she was scared to lose her home. her neighbors were dragging her away from the house and the next time i saw her she had fainted and was being put into a car to be driven to the hospital. after that incident, i remember people walking past our street would kind of run and cover their heads when an airplane was flying overhead. anytime i saw a plane coming to land and i felt it was too low, i would brace myself to hear the sound of metal crashing down again.
There were hundreds other electronics on board, cameras, watches, cassette players etc, it is amazing how the FBI and others can distinguish a circuit boards.
It was the location of these pieces that were the clue. The only way they could get to where they were found was to be in the suitcase that exploded or directly in the path of the fragments. Finding the radio part in a folded up scrap of metal front the container was good, but the timer fragment was in the clothes that were in the suitcase and that really sealed it.
These are so well done.
I especially love the shot at 6:56.
The bomber was released by the Scottish government after serving 8.5 years. He was celebrated as a hero in his home country. The Scottish and British governments agreed to his release in order to secure trade deals with Libya. He killed 259 people and died in his bed, at home, surrounded by family.
That's just so fucked up...what is wrong with our justice system? He probably passed on his messed up genes to more people after he was released, too. Smh.
It was on the grounds of compassionate release (medical illness) in his case was prostate cancer. In some countries no matter how cruel your crimes were, if you were sick with something terminal you were let go when applied.
They just arrested the bomb maker this weekend? The guys at the beginning didn't blow the plane up
Good and based! Palestine should be free
270 people.
My heart broke when that lady said she'd never believe in God again. Awwww 😢😭
Talk about a s*itty Christmas.
heretic is what she is, less she wants our free will stripped from us
This was a World War in its own right.
The War on Terror before Afghanistan, and the war to save the aviation industry.
Some of these words may be controversial. Apologies in advance.
Don’t apologize for telling the truth. That’s how the truth gets suppressed
@@budwhite9591 Wise words.
No need to apologize!! It is what it is.🤯
Terror IsReal
Yes it’s war, a war we are still fighting. And to think one political persuasion does everything it can to make excuses for and aid them.