(Luigi Miraglia) De causis corruptæ institutionis Latinæ

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  • NUNC QUOQUE SUBTITULIS INSTRUCTA: • Luigi Miraglia de caus...
    Hæc contio habita est Amstelodami coram eis qui Athenæum Illustre auspicabantur Latinitatis Conventum agentes nomine 'Utrum illi callidioris fuerint an potius nos stolidiores', die 16/03/2013. Ut omnes hujusce conventus partes spectentur satis est hunc nexum sequi: • Latinitatis Conventus ... ubi omnia præsto sunt.

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  • @animula8322
    @animula8322 10 ปีที่แล้ว +254

    I don't speak my native language half as fast.

  • @cherubin7th
    @cherubin7th 8 ปีที่แล้ว +137

    I wish Luigi Miraglia would have his own youtube channel where you would do fun stuff and only speak latin.

    • @jakefriedman6623
      @jakefriedman6623 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      that's an excellent idea

    • @GFM_90
      @GFM_90 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Check out Scorpius Martianus

    • @user-ls8ks7kv8c
      @user-ls8ks7kv8c 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@GFM_90 Sic Scorpius Martianus orator et magister Latinus optimus est

  • @agricolaregs
    @agricolaregs 7 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    I can only dream about speaking in Latin this well. Beautiful, and I am quite envious.

  • @AG02024
    @AG02024 7 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    I have always loved the rhythm and sonority of Latin, and this gives me inspiration to learn it not as a curious study of a "dead" language, but rather as a spoken language, learned by a few fellow language enthusiasts...and after 2 years of learning Spanish, I can understand quite a lot of this...this guy is great!

    • @an57toni
      @an57toni ปีที่แล้ว

      Try Sardinian (Language) - not the (Italian) corrupted one of the last 50-60 years (due to TV) - and you'll understand quite every thing, sometimes can make a (small) speech, as well.

  • @ilsalza7551
    @ilsalza7551 5 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Imagine that Roman man in 100 AD talking like this in a temple about how big the Roman empire is hahaha

    • @RashFever26
      @RashFever26 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The Roman Empire is great. It's the greatest, I'm telling you. The muddy grounds of Germania gotta be littered with the blood of barbarians. The christians need to leave our glorious pagan VRBS as well, or they get the damnatio ad bestias. JUPITER and MARS, not MARY and JESUS ok. Praise Jove.
      P.S.: support the Legions!

    • @philomelodia
      @philomelodia 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Web knowledge injection not with that pronunciation. Maybe 500 A.D. At the very earliest, 350 A.D. this is a lot closer to the Latin of Romulus Augustulus then it is to that of Trajan or Hadrian.

    • @kiroseo.carmen8651
      @kiroseo.carmen8651 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      this is church latin, not classical latin. it would probably be spoken around the time of the byzantine empire or so, when christianity was more prevalent in the roman empire

  • @maikykirihara8947
    @maikykirihara8947 8 ปีที่แล้ว +178

    The latin language isn't dead

    • @maxwigant2011
      @maxwigant2011 7 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Verum dicis. Latina mortua non est, sed vivat. Latine loqueamur, amice. Latine loqueamur!

    • @maikykirihara8947
      @maikykirihara8947 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I understood i little because I speak portuguese... So it's a little bit esy to me to deduct it

    • @maxwigant2011
      @maxwigant2011 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Legal. Eu tenho estudado Português . Não é muito difícil, tendo estudado um monte de Latina.

    • @g.v.3493
      @g.v.3493 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Max Wigant
      Sic, domine! Linguam Latinam loqueamur, nunc et semper!

    • @meusisto
      @meusisto 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@maxwigant2011 Olá, Max. Falas português bem agora?

  • @lucianoprado49
    @lucianoprado49 7 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    I understood the Coca Cola and the McDonalds around 3:35

    • @Swenthorian
      @Swenthorian 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Also "weather, tense, and time" at 11:45

    • @Yep6803
      @Yep6803 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      no qualcosaltro a mente
      tipo credo che parli del fatto che sia la lingua più importante e che la lingua si mutua costantemente(sorry you're italian so)

    • @mea.histria
      @mea.histria หลายเดือนก่อน

      He mixed up modern words from the modern age in his Latin exposition

  • @michelebolzonello1736
    @michelebolzonello1736 8 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Incredibile!

  • @mmordie
    @mmordie  10 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Gratias ago potius ego tum tibi, qui ita grata verba huc infixisti, tum Amstelodamensibus amicis ex Athenæo Illustri, qui pelliculam paraverunt et quorum veniâ hanc tæniam huic TH-cam ipse addidi. Vale bene!

  • @mbk4700
    @mbk4700 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    HE IS THE MASTER.

  • @montelatici
    @montelatici 8 ปีที่แล้ว +191

    It is so much better when an Italian speaks Latin. No matter what they say, Italian is the closest to Latin.

    • @kw328
      @kw328 8 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      +Fred Montelatici Actually Sardinian is closer with Italian coming in second. Both Italian and Sardinian are the closest to Latin only in terms of vocabulary. The closest language to Latin in terms of grammar is Romanian because it still has some of the noun declensions that Latin had. the main problem with many users of the Classical Pronunciation is that they overtrill the R, they exaggerate the long vowels, pronounce the E like 'AY' when it should be pronounced more like how most of the Romance languages do, they also pronounce the D and T like English when it should be pronounced dentally like spanish. I try to avoid those mistakes as much as possible.

    • @montelatici
      @montelatici 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I doubt that people living much farther from Rome than Italians would retain the accent of the spoken tongue more than people living in the area where Latin was actually spoken.

    • @bigbeddie
      @bigbeddie 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Not to mention the intonation and the aspirated p's and all sorts of other annoying stuff they probably don't even think of while agonising over philological follies while missing the essential and common characteristics of romance languages....

    • @jamesvanderhoorn1117
      @jamesvanderhoorn1117 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      That's nonsense. Languages change, given enough time they change beyond recognition. That goes for all aspects of language, including pronunciation. We know for a fact that the modern Italian/ecclesiastical pronunciation of Latin was nothing like the pronunciation of Cicero. Of course, many people attempting to pronounce Latin the ancient way do so imperfectly, with American, French, German, or what have you, accents. This does not mean that the pronuntiatio restituta is wrong in theory.

    • @Rolando_Cueva
      @Rolando_Cueva 7 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Actually, Sardinian is the closest.

  • @beethoven532
    @beethoven532 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Gratias ago ob hoc videogramma. Classico pronuntiatu Latine ego didici sed plerumque bene intellego. Admirabilis est Aloysius Miraglia, ejusque acta ad Latinitatem favendam (tot aliorum etiam, scilicet)... Omnia faciamus ut lingua Latina viva plus plusque adhibeatur!

  • @ironinquisitor3656
    @ironinquisitor3656 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    This is one of the best pronunciations of Latin I've ever heard.

    • @orizontereditar6349
      @orizontereditar6349 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      not really, it is a version of it, postclassic, the classic sounds more majestic

    • @ironinquisitor3656
      @ironinquisitor3656 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@orizontereditar6349 I do prefer the Restored Pronunciation too.

    • @abelpalmer552
      @abelpalmer552 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ironinquisitor3656 so do I. It's how Latin was meant to be pronounced.

    • @DanieleFisichella
      @DanieleFisichella 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@orizontereditar6349@ironinquisitor3656 @abelpalmer552
      Based on your answers, you should speak Anglo-Saxon or at least Middle English instead of modern English, because "older is better"! Languages evolve, and Latin did evolve too, way before splitting into modern (neo)Latin languages. Ecclesiastical Latin is the last stage it evolved into before the Empire collapsed.

    • @Adrastus_
      @Adrastus_ 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      people say they prefer it because they hate christianity. it's really that simple @@DanieleFisichella

  • @ludovicbrochard3056
    @ludovicbrochard3056 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Le latin n'est pas une langue morte contrairement à la croyance populaire. Il est bien vivant et en voici la preuve. C'est une très belle langue. Latinus per semper ! Ad vitam aeternam.

  • @ronaldjohndalmacio8117
    @ronaldjohndalmacio8117 7 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    >Speed 2.0
    Latin rapper with superior bars

  • @politicallyincorrect2232
    @politicallyincorrect2232 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    aloisie simply the best!
    Grazie perché ascoltando te esercito la mia capacità di ascolatre il latino e contemporaneamente la mente anche per la lettura

  • @MTCicero
    @MTCicero 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    When you live near Rome and you can't understand any single word 😂

  • @maxwigant2011
    @maxwigant2011 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Macte, magister! Gratias multas ago tibi omnibusque. Hic remanebo horas multas quidem, ut mirabile emolumenta mei mente colligeam. Salve.

    • @agricolaregs
      @agricolaregs 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I just feel good that I could read your comment.

    • @maxwigant2011
      @maxwigant2011 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bene. Si linguam alienam habeamus, nos oportet ea uti sicut lingua vivente facereque eam partem vitae cotidianae nostrae. Facile est verum. Debemus prorsus initium facere. Salve.

  • @williams.5952
    @williams.5952 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I wish there were less people discussing his Latin, excellent as it is, and that there were rather more people discussing what he's actually saying, which is quite contentious.

    • @SpectatorAlius
      @SpectatorAlius 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Heyprinny I get bits and pieces, but I still often miss a complete sentence because of a key word I missed.
      It would have been worse if he was using the 'restored' pronunciation!

    • @abelpalmer552
      @abelpalmer552 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SpectatorAlius nah I could have understood him better if he spoke Classically

    • @shapeoperator
      @shapeoperator 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It is also mostly nonsense. The sort of major changes he is talking about, going from Old or Middle English to modern English occurred at times of much lower literacy in the population, in addition to there being much more limited possibilities of recording speech. First of all, recorded languages have been changing slower since, and second the examples of Icelandic and Hebrew show that if your concern is to maintain intelligibility with ancient forms, there are other options than just not using the language for daily interactions.

  • @JamesMartinelli-jr9mh
    @JamesMartinelli-jr9mh 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It sounds like Romanian.

  • @johncolasont6195
    @johncolasont6195 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    If you put the video on 1.25X and close your eyes, you can almost pretend you're in the Roman Senate.

  • @saberliberta
    @saberliberta 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Que coisa linda. Fico muito feliz ao poder ouvir a língua mãe do português, até consigo entender algumas palavras aí. Muito obrigado por compartilhar conosco.

    • @campodemarte4352
      @campodemarte4352 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Eu quero muito estudar na academia Vivarium Novum.

  • @ultraviolet16
    @ultraviolet16 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As an Italian I feel like I understand him but can’t at the same time lol

  • @FrancescoVentury
    @FrancescoVentury 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Straordinario!

  • @mariosilva1887
    @mariosilva1887 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Salvete Omnes! Would it be possible to have these very nice videos with english subtitles? I think it helps a lot someone who is trying to master just a bit of latin.

  • @MatthaeusLatinus
    @MatthaeusLatinus 10 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Optime! Licet velocius interdum loquatur quam ut sat bene intellegam .... nihilominus homo prorsus admirandus atque imitandus.

  • @joshdoe7971
    @joshdoe7971 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wish I could turn on captions so I could see youtube try to make sense of this

  • @lateinmaus8093
    @lateinmaus8093 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I take advanced Latin class in highschool and am pretty good at it but WE ONLY TRANSLATE LATIN TEXTS INTO OUR LANGUAGE. NO ONE HAS EVER SAID SOMETHING IN LATIN. AND EVERYONE SAYS THE LANGUAGE IS DEAD

  • @HEJSHispanaJunularo
    @HEJSHispanaJunularo 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Flua parolado. Tre imprese. Gratulon! ;)

  • @seforamyers
    @seforamyers 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Magnifique!

  • @TheFenny
    @TheFenny 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am an English and French speaker and I understood quite a lot of this

  • @philv2529
    @philv2529 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    omfg this is awesome the whole thing is in Latin

  • @Cachoeira1986
    @Cachoeira1986 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Optime vero locutos est a magistro Luigi.

  • @spektakelkd
    @spektakelkd 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    impressive

  • @edwardfranks5215
    @edwardfranks5215 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Pretty fantastic! Why care so much about whether perfect. The 'v' was not pronounced as a 'w' but a cross between a 'vf.' The pronunciation of Latin was already evolving under the empire with confusion as to short and long vowels leading to even more use of prepositions which are more precise that loading 12 shades of meaning on the pronunciation of long a as in agricola , 'b' for 'v' as in bibat for vivat, soft 'c' instead of 'k.' By the 4th century diphthongs were in decline. Grammatically there was little difference between the 'standard' literary Latin and the spoken. Latin became a dead language from 650 A.D. to 900 A.D. when speakers of Proto-Romance had to learn as a second language, as it had ceased to be their mother tongue.

    • @svsfazio
      @svsfazio 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is a good point. What we call now "classical latin" was canonized around the late republic to be a sort of lingua franca of the vast Roman domains. It's pronunciation continued to evolve, sometimes incorporating some developments of local "vulgata". But grammatically continued to be the same language. Therefore, unlikely the ancient Attic Greek, which had it's own pronunciation, you can choose to read a standard Latin text following the pronunciation of the late empire (ecclesiastical) or the one of the classical age of Virgil and Caesar. I disagree more when Greeks read the Attic Greek pronounced as modern Greek, because that language became extinct at the times of Alexander the Great and was a local tongue. This does not hold with the Latin, which continued to be actively used basically till the Council Vatican II of the Catholic church (with session hold entirely in Latin). Reading ancient texts using the pronunciation of Virgil is awesome and has a lot of philological meaning. But keeping Latin alive as an active language is a different story, I'd rather start from where it ended nearly 60 years ago, rather than taking a time machine and speak like Virgil.

  • @RarePartsRetailerFLA
    @RarePartsRetailerFLA 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Eu falo português e tenho a impressão que o sotaque falado no Brasil fica ótimo para o Latim.
    Esse vídeo é muito bom.
    Luis Mirabila podia ou devia abrir um canal próprio no TH-cam

  • @nsiinitu
    @nsiinitu 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    salvus erit anima tua, et a vobis deducar tibi Deus, et dimissis peccatis et in iniquitatibus a alme et singula Amen, salvus erit

  • @carlhopkinson
    @carlhopkinson 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    This sound *very* convincing.

  • @MarisaGiuliana
    @MarisaGiuliana 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Antea magistro eloquentia gratulor, tamen, vestimentum irreverens est, ad spectatorum nobilitatem
    Livius Tam Magnus

  • @raduivan2768
    @raduivan2768 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mirabile visu et auditu!

  • @inkari1981
    @inkari1981 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    soy peruano,hablo español y entiendo sin saber latin, im peruvian ,i speak spanish but i can understand many words in latin , i never learn and hear latin before

  • @joseantoniobenlopez3240
    @joseantoniobenlopez3240 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Enhorabuena por el vídeo.

  • @fabiobonetta5454
    @fabiobonetta5454 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "ut lingua sit viva oportet etiam de viviis rebus loquatur"

  • @Michail_Chatziasemidis
    @Michail_Chatziasemidis 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    People should learn that a language changes in its pronunciation not only from place to place at the same time, but even from time to time. Latin (& Greek) is not an exception. Latin regional pronunciations (& modern Greek pronunciation) are the only ones that survived naturally until our times. Reconstructed pronunciations, although scientifically correct and acceptable, are nothing more than artificial devices. Thus, let anybody use the pronunciation they're accustomed to, that sounds to them the best, that is easier for them, and that they can understand better.

    • @abelpalmer552
      @abelpalmer552 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean... The Classical pronunciation is how it was spoken by native speakers, and the Ecclesiastical is an extremely artificial standard beginning with Charlemagne.

    • @Red_Tuxedo
      @Red_Tuxedo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, not exactly. Most speakers of the reconstructed pronunciation still use vowel and consonant sounds from their native language, and the ecclesiastical pronunciation was established in the early 20th century, not in the time of Charlemagne. Also, Miraglia here is not actually using the ecclesiastical pronunciation, though his own pronunciation is also clearly based on Italian. But in any case, he’s pretty easy to understand.

    • @ironinquisitor3656
      @ironinquisitor3656 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Red_Tuxedo They at least went back to pronouncing Latin letter for letter verbatim as it was written down exactly in Charlemagne's time.

  • @NobleOmarBey
    @NobleOmarBey 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    ' Tempus evenivit cum cultus omnia colere mustum subter suus vitis et ficus arboris atque ligua omnia mustum fateri suus.'

  • @Swenthorian
    @Swenthorian 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good God -- he's good!

  • @Scuppetta1998IT
    @Scuppetta1998IT 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    bravissimo

  • @francisco-vd9yv
    @francisco-vd9yv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And sudenlly, professors from Germany and England interrupt this Roman professor saying: This is not Roman language!

    • @DanieleFisichella
      @DanieleFisichella ปีที่แล้ว

      They are clowns with their "reconstructed" Latin 😂 This guy speaks the OG official Latin, also known as Ecclesiastical Latin, the only living/spoken version of Latin since imperial age till nowadays

  • @INPS81
    @INPS81 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    musica per le mie orecchie

  • @thomastr914
    @thomastr914 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ego latinum studui in scola superioris sed latinum maccheronicum cognosco. Voleo magistrum istum pro me ut sicut eum loquere possim!

  • @user-tz7wb7tl3h
    @user-tz7wb7tl3h 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Luigi Miraglia linguam latinam miro modo loquitur !!

  • @fakiormader3050
    @fakiormader3050 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this man knows the entire knowledge but he cant ask a bottle of water to a woman

  • @fernandesluzzi9185
    @fernandesluzzi9185 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Latin a língua culta. Quem conhece o Latim nunca será enganado, por que o que foi escrito ninguém consegue adulterar!!!

  • @julies570
    @julies570 8 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    of course they do it best - the Italians can pronounce Ecclesiastical Latin well because it is the predecessor of their own language of modern Italian! But the people who have been lucky enough to study Italian can do it well too, with ease, because Latin simply follows the same pronunciation pattern as Italian!

    • @slayerslayer7623
      @slayerslayer7623 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, Ecclesiasctical Latin is very similar, but actual Latin is *drastically* different.

    • @ginopagul102
      @ginopagul102 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@slayerslayer7623 taci, barbaro

    • @ginopagul102
      @ginopagul102 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Russell Richards :)

  • @michaelmiraljev1043
    @michaelmiraljev1043 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sono stato fortunato di aver studiato nella sua Accademia ! Si parlava il latino

  • @greysonperkins5785
    @greysonperkins5785 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One day I'll be able to understand all of this. Just wondering, why is the title 'de causis... institutionis latinae? If it says what I think it says shouldn't/couldn't it just be 'causes corruptae in institutionibus latinis' ('the causes of corruption in latin institutes' is what I'm trying to say)?

    • @gabrielecupaiolo2058
      @gabrielecupaiolo2058 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Because it means like: "about causes etc...", it's a typical use of latin that you can find even in latin works (De rerum natura, De agricoltura, De natura deorum, for example) :D

    • @mmordie
      @mmordie  7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      "Institutio" does not mean "Institutions", it means "Education. The title translates as: "Reasons for the decline [in quality] in the study of Latin"

  • @aureusventus
    @aureusventus 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wish I could be like him

  • @francesco487
    @francesco487 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok, I officially feel an ignorant.

  • @CDEbFGAbB
    @CDEbFGAbB 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I speak 5 romance languages and I didn't know until I saw this vid that I could recognize aurally every word in latin. Yes, the man vocalizes a lot and that makes me understand the whole context of his speech.

    • @gianfrancow2850
      @gianfrancow2850 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's the italian habit to vocalize each letter.. this is for sure the best latin pronunciation avaible.
      luigi miraglia is an italian professor from naples.

    • @gianfrancow2850
      @gianfrancow2850 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's the italian habit to vocalize each letter.. this is for sure the best latin pronunciation avaible.
      luigi miraglia is an italian professor from naples.

    • @CDEbFGAbB
      @CDEbFGAbB 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Gianfranco M Nevertheless I believe that the italian one was not how the romans pronounced latin. All these final consonants that every italian has to do accompanied with a -a makes the language unnatural to them. It's like when I hear them speak english; they pronounce all the final consonants with a -a, and this indicates that that is not this person's mother language.
      If an italian doesn't pronounce the final consonants with that -a it's because s-he worked hard on it.

    • @gianfrancow2850
      @gianfrancow2850 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      CDEbFGAbB obviously nobody thinks italian have the best pronunce in latin.. that's because from the '1800 anglosaxons and french scholars tried to put away the latin heritage from italians. For sure cicero's sounds were different, for example we italians read "chaesar", while the original name was almost for sure "kaesar", and that's how anglosaxons read it, but the accent, the intonation, that very peculiar way italians have to mark each single consonant and vocal is an authentic heritage, a peculiarity of every italic language, like oscan, apulian, marsian, venetian, etc. Italy has many dialects and they all have plurals ending with a vocal, all the letters are highly marked when pronounced, in each one. Of course you can believe what your masters teach you, but we italians having the biggest latinists (like luigi miraglia you see here, unanimously the best latin speaker in the world) just follow what we believe it's our genetic and linguistic heritage.

    • @CDEbFGAbB
      @CDEbFGAbB 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Gianfranco M Yes, you're right in that aspect. Of course, latin is an italic language and it had most of the features that nowadays exist in every dialect in Italy, BUT what I mean is that today's ITALIAN pronunciation can't be 100% that pronunciation the romans had 2000 years ago. Maybe 80%.
      I pointed out the final consonants, but there can be other differences.

  • @shahqu5dohcoh9ri88
    @shahqu5dohcoh9ri88 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Numquam hominem audivit tam perfecte latinum loquentem.

    • @matteo9203
      @matteo9203 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Recte dicis!

  • @giampierover7832
    @giampierover7832 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Un canale RAI dedicato esclusivamente al latino parlato (grammatica, documentari, TG, SPORT, cultura, cartoons ecc.) ? E' chiedere troppo ad una TV di Stato?

    • @AndreaNutri
      @AndreaNutri 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Si certo, perché sicuramente far vedere Peppa Pig in latino anziché in italiano ai bambini aiuta...
      /sarcasm
      Sarebbe MOLTO più utile avere canali dedicati alla lingua inglese o più possibilità di scelta, come ad esempio quella di ascoltare un film in lingua originale anziché doppiato che secondo me farebbe la differenza... considerando la quantità di persone che ancora non riescono a comunicare in un inglese basilare che, al contrario del latino, è tutt'altro che una lingua estinta

    • @AndreaNutri
      @AndreaNutri 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Russell Richards Perché che tu lo voglia o meno l'inglese è l'attuale lingua franca, ci permette di comunicare con il resto del mondo. Senza nulla togliere alle tradizioni, personalmente preferisco poter sfruttare un linguaggio per comunicare con le persone piuttosto che per uno sterile esercizio di stile. Se qualcuno vuole imparare il latino in _full immersion_ è libero di farlo, ci mancherebbe, ma lo vedo assolutamente come superfluo.
      Considerando che tanti al giorno d'oggi a malapena saprebbero chiedere che ore sono in inglese, lingua che tra l'altro è richiestissima nel mondo del lavoro, capirai che preferisco dare priorità ad essa piuttosto che a una lingua morta.
      Il latino al giorno d'oggi è fine a sé stesso per quanto mi riguarda, visto e considerato che al massimo viene usato per tradurre gli occasionali reperti archeologici che vengono trovati un po' qua e un po' là.
      Per il fatto di imparare una lingua straniera in modo naturale sono sicuramente d'accordo dato che è così che ho imparato l'inglese.
      Concludo facendoti presente che dando a me dell'ignorante sei tu che ci stai facendo una figura barbina quindi per cortesia trattieniti dal dire cavolate sull'ignoranza o sui barbari ok? Grazie

  • @JamesMartinelli-jr9mh
    @JamesMartinelli-jr9mh 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ecclesiastical pronunciation is the pronunciation of late Latin. Italian shares the same phonology because Italian has not changed its sounds.Figure 5 century AD

    • @ironinquisitor3656
      @ironinquisitor3656 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not exactly. The Ecclesiastical Lain pronunciation has its base during the Carolingian Renaissance when they went back to reading Latin letter for letter verbatim as it was exactly written down. The Pronunciation of Late Latin was Romance. Populum in Italy would have actually been read as Popolo. Saeculum in Spain would have been read aloud as Sieglo. Viridiarium in Gaul/Frankia during Charlemagne's time would have been read as Vergier.

  • @AelwynMr
    @AelwynMr 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Protestantes tantum in universitate Patavina accepti et grati erant. Veneti quidquid facebant ut papam irritaverint ;-)

  • @robertburning574
    @robertburning574 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    very good

  • @patrick-sprachenmusikstudi5351
    @patrick-sprachenmusikstudi5351 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I would have liked the reconstructed pronunciation more. Still 1000x better than "sahl-wey-tey"

  • @lectionesantiquae3090
    @lectionesantiquae3090 ปีที่แล้ว

    Utinam sic bene Latine possim aliquando loqui! Me in exercitatione detineo, qua certe non modica opus est, sed longam patere mihi viam manifestum est...

  • @willobi
    @willobi 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Speak up bloody Romans!!"

  • @yunasimanuishmausha4547
    @yunasimanuishmausha4547 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mihei placent Lateinetas eti pronovontiatuos sovos atque pronuntiatus Italicus atque Ille Restitutus etiam Pronuntiatus et enim Sermo Vulgaris atque Varii Sermones Latini Vulgares. Macte in felicis quae res item sunt Felicitatis.

  • @pieterboeve941
    @pieterboeve941 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bellissima

  • @michelebolzonello1736
    @michelebolzonello1736 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Anche io qualcosa capisco

  • @georgewinchester6403
    @georgewinchester6403 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy's got some good coke

  • @wolframhuttermann7519
    @wolframhuttermann7519 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    The letter "æ" is superfluent. You can replace it with "ae".

    • @mmordie
      @mmordie  8 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      +Wolfram Hüttermann æ has been used since Renaissance times to differenciate between the double sound in "philosophiæ', 'æs, æris', etc, and the two sounds separated by hiatus in 'aer, aeris', 'aeneus' etc. This also goes for the 'oe' set, which is a douple sound in 'cœtus' and a hiatus in 'poeta'. The ligatures are is to my mind an alternative way of rendering what sometimes is written with the diaeresis (so poëta, aër), but, whatever the convention we choose, they are far from superfluous.

  • @intanto1
    @intanto1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here are two Italians with different inflection (subtle differences) speaking in Latin.
    th-cam.com/video/kWEEN_BIlN8/w-d-xo.html
    Qui parlano in due: sempre in Latino ma la "cadenza" o l'inflessione regionale è diversa. Almeno mi pare.

  • @juansebastianquinteroardil7385
    @juansebastianquinteroardil7385 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sometimes I think I'm hearing romanian.

    • @brazenserpent7
      @brazenserpent7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Romanian is one of the Romance languages.

  • @DrZenith
    @DrZenith 9 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Brilliant! Pronounced in the Italian manner -in mode italice, but how beautifully fluent. Ave magister! Ave domine!

    • @gianfrancow2850
      @gianfrancow2850 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Let's not forget that latin is an italic language.. thus the italian manner should be the best and most realistic avaible of how cicero and caesar spoke.

    • @DrZenith
      @DrZenith 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Got to disagree with you, - as a student of languages and also of Latin. Latin in Ancient Rome was not pronounced as Italian is today. in particular the C always like K etc. You must then know that the ecclesiastical Latin of the Roman Catholic church today (and for centuries now) has little to do with the classic pronunciation of Caesar and Cicero. Vale amice! (amiKé)

    • @odiumpotens
      @odiumpotens 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Chris Eden It was pronounced in the same manner.

    • @gianfrancow2850
      @gianfrancow2850 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Chris Eden I'm italian, I studied latin language for 6 years, I read text from the greatest latinists in the world, luigi miraglia is the best fluent latin speaker in the world, so got to disagree with your informations.

    • @DrZenith
      @DrZenith 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Odiumpotens No. It was NOT. You're wrong. Investigate the subject a little. If you like, I'll give you a mini-lesson.
      First, in Latin, C was always pronounced like K (so, Cicero was said as: Kikero not sisero. Caesar was pronouced 'Kaisar' not sizar. (Just like the German Emperor Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany. Second the G was always hard i.e, Genus: - g as in gone or gain not jenus or jesus. And there are other differences. Miraglia is great, he speaks Latin fluently. But he speaks it in a way which has nothing to do with the ancient Romans. Investigate the question of the restored pronuciation on the TH-cam site of the great teacher and Latinist Evan der Millner. You'll see. And if you're an Italian gentleman -and not some sort of mafiosi, or crook - you'll write back to me and say, 'Sorry my friend, you were right all the time'

  • @user-go8dq3br9q
    @user-go8dq3br9q 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is a mixture of spanish and Italiano.

    • @brazenserpent7
      @brazenserpent7 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Spanish and Italian are part of the Romance languages, which have all been derived from the great mother tongue: Latin.

  • @Arturest
    @Arturest 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Is he using the ecclesiastical pronunciation here?

    • @burningmatch09
      @burningmatch09 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Arturest Yup!

    • @polyglossia3671
      @polyglossia3671 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's "Italianate" as it seeks to sound like Latin as spoken in Italy during the Rennaisance. This all comes from my Latin teacher who has known Luigi personally for many years and visited the Academy Vivarium Novum repeatedly.
      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accademia_Vivarium_Novum

    • @JamesMartinelli-jr9mh
      @JamesMartinelli-jr9mh 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's the pronunciation of Late Latin - 3rd, 4th century. The fact that ecclesiastical Latin and Italian have the same sounds does not make this Latin 'Italianate'.

  • @chevalierdeloccident5949
    @chevalierdeloccident5949 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    All I understood was “Coca-Cola” and “McDonald” past 3:35.

  • @jamc1978
    @jamc1978 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Entiendo lo que dice en muchas cosas, se parece al español

  • @jamesvanderhoorn1117
    @jamesvanderhoorn1117 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pronuntiatus qui dicitur reconstitutus distinguit inter e brevem, e longam et ae, qui soni confunduntur ecclesiastica pronuntiatus ratione.

  • @Baeticus2
    @Baeticus2 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Maxima delectatione ex Hispania audire et spectare possum Aloisium de humanismo et humanistis veris. Quopropter tibi qui hanc pellicullam tradidisti maximas gratias ago.

  • @janakroyal2209
    @janakroyal2209 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amen papa amen papa amen

  • @angeloritofasanaro9850
    @angeloritofasanaro9850 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Subtitulo scribendum est.

  • @cronachedaroma4152
    @cronachedaroma4152 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Al pro virili partem Livio si è svegliato

  • @writersounds9523
    @writersounds9523 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who's he practicing it with..

  • @riconthemove
    @riconthemove 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dove e come potrei imparare il latino come lui? Corsi, scuole, autodidatta, online...? Ciao e complimenti

    • @DarkNess2491
      @DarkNess2491 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Riccardo Barelli Accademia Vivarium Novuum, vai sul sito e troverai molte info ^^ io ho studiato latino al liceo sui libri da loro pubblicati ;)

    • @riconthemove
      @riconthemove 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Grazie mille! lo cerco subito

    • @martinusloch9039
      @martinusloch9039 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Riccardo Barelli multis locis, e.g. in Polonia, instituuntur scholae aestivae. si vis plura scire, scribe mihi.

    • @sergioprieto1437
      @sergioprieto1437 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      c'è un libro molto buono su internet chiamato "Lingua Latina per se illustrata" . È un libro che ti insegna il latino da zero e un modo molto semplice di impararlo. Ci sono tre libri in pdf che ti puoi scaricare.
      Scrivi su google: Lingua latina per se illustrata pdf
      e ti uscirà. Troverai uno che si chiama *Familia romana* che è il primo e dopo c'è anche un'altro per leggere e l'ultimo sono esercizi da fare. Buona fortuna!! 😉

  • @politicallyincorrect2232
    @politicallyincorrect2232 10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Aloisie nobis est fons instinctus impulsusque divini. Deberes divulgare alias orationes tuas de multis argumentis litteraris e filologicis.

  • @upupina90
    @upupina90 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    sì ma stai calmo

  • @lorenzomiraglia3291
    @lorenzomiraglia3291 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    oh

  • @montelatici
    @montelatici 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sono Italiano, Toscano, e qualcosa capisco.

    • @MC-qc9iz
      @MC-qc9iz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      E grazie al cazzo

  • @angeloritofasanaro9850
    @angeloritofasanaro9850 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sottotitoli

  • @MM-vt2nj
    @MM-vt2nj 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    A Romanian could also speak this beautifully. At first I thought he was speaking Romanian till I realized it was Latin

  • @alemkelo3240
    @alemkelo3240 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    what does he mean plautus said comediae but cicero said comedie? Surely cicero said comediae?

    • @alemkelo3240
      @alemkelo3240 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I probably didn't understand the context.

    • @mmordie
      @mmordie  7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Plautus dixit comœdiai sed Cicero dixit comœdiæ.
      Archaic Latin wrote the -a genitive in -ai (two syllables, long i). A number of writers tried to show their archaic flavour by writing it with -ai even in Classical Times (Lucretius being the most obvious example), but by Cicero's time usage had definitely turned towards both writing with -e and to turn the syllable into a diphtong.

  • @sssseeeeeeeeeeyyyyaa
    @sssseeeeeeeeeeyyyyaa 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gratias tibi ago magister! ROMANIANS don't need subtitles...

  • @submoto
    @submoto 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the correct translation to latin for: "Our art will make us immortal"
    Google translate says "inmortalibus erimus artem.", but I think it is incorrect.

    • @individualgrammar9160
      @individualgrammar9160 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It is incorrect. I'd rather say:
      "Ars nostra immortales faciet."

    • @luigigenoni5944
      @luigigenoni5944 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ▂▃▄▅▆▇█▓▒░Individual Grammar░▒▓█▇▆▅▄▃ potius...arte nostra immortales efficiemur

  • @alkantre
    @alkantre 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    mirificus sermo ejus

  • @tomkot
    @tomkot 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not knowing the language good enough to comment on the content, but this is Latin spoken with a very heavy Italian accent, right?

    • @MC-qc9iz
      @MC-qc9iz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Are you serious? Lmao

    • @tomkot
      @tomkot 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MC-qc9iz Are you? Lmao rofl omg so funny I can't even

    • @francisco-vd9yv
      @francisco-vd9yv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      To the contrary, Italians speak with a very heavy Latin accent.

    • @tomkot
      @tomkot 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@francisco-vd9yv You either don't know Latin or Italian phonology very well if you say that. There are many Latin phonemes not present in Italian and vice versa. Good luck trying to speak with an accent where you have removed many of the sounds distinctive to that accent, AND on top of that add different sounds not even existing in that accent. ;)

    • @diego_1619
      @diego_1619 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Latin isn’t a language with accents, it’s a quantity language, so we cannot reproduce the exactly pronunciation, but there are some rules that helps us to put the accent on a world to have a pronunciation as close as possible to original Latin, and because Italian language is the nearest to Latin they sound very similar

  • @pechblendae
    @pechblendae 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fosse morto davvero, il Latino, con questa passione lo avrebbe fatto resuscitare al volo.

  • @OpantareiO
    @OpantareiO 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Uau

  • @ancientgreek2022
    @ancientgreek2022 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    χάριν οἶδα ὑμῖν