Ok, you put me in time out, I’m one of your biggest advocates and spoke out about Down the Rabbit Hole at bedtime. Blocked her on YT. I meant slanderous of the Browns to lie on people on the show. I hope this is corrected.
@@WithoutACrystalBall it’s ok, not gonna lie it hurt my delicate sensibilities for a couple minutes! 😂 regardless, I support your platform and all the information you bring to light ❤️ keep going!
@@rosalindaresendez2252 I am so sorry, honey! I will do better in the future. Thank you for your unwavering support and accepting my apology. I will pin this to the top so that people will see that I made a huge mistake! I am sorry!
Well, I understand that you having such a huge following, and seeing comments quickly roll in, of course you may misunderstand one single word I sent 🤦🏻♀️ no worries, get that precious boy to sleep! #parentofdifferentlyabled you’re good, and again you have many supporters!
Without a crystal ball, I love how you accept mistakes! Girl, you are a REAL PERSON! Keep going... Everything happening in this extreme religion needs to be brought to light
I grew up in the Christian church. I went to a Christian college. Purity culture was definitely a thing there too. We were told it was our responsibility to not be a stumbling block to our "brothers is Christ." I always thought it was stupid. I even broke the rules a couple of times and got sent back to my dorm to change. I didn't realize how much this affected me until the past few years, and I am now a 43 year old woman. I recently told my mom about purity culture and she didn't realize this had been taught to me, because she was not raised in Christian Church. She was shocked. How about we raise our boys to respect women. I have 1 boy and 1 girl. I am trying my best to teach them body autonomy and respect.
I am so appreciative of the work you’re doing on your channel. Before finding your channel, I’d never heard of the AUB and am grateful to have learned the truth behind Sister Wives and this group.
He's telling them that they are the elite but he's also telling them that they agreed to it so they can't complain, because they chose it. Elite level of manipulation. In some ways it's almost worse than gaslighting, he saying that they chose it. Your husband treats you like shit, can't complain, you chose it. Sick
I am LDS and I must say that they do not hide section 132. Many of us descend from early polygamists, including me. You need to get correct info from the LDS, we are not part of the polygamist sects. I worked for Dr Don Allred who is a grandson of Rulon and I am very acquainted with how they do things and how they lie about so many things.
I am also LDS (or I was) and the LDS Church is absolutely responsible for polygamy. They started it. They stopped only because legally threatened and they sent their polygamists into hiding which created these sects. Mormons still practice polygamy after this life so if you choose to be Mormon, you are accepting polygamy full stop.
@@julieturnbull They only stopped polygamy because they wanted Urah statehood. The federal government made the church ending polygamy as a requirement.
I'm so bummed I missed the live stream! Can't wait for the next. This is unbelievable stuff!!!!!! It's 2024, for heaven sake! Keep up the good work Katie!
In the 1980’s, 1990’s, I was living in Mesa AZ and Lacey WA. Was always being visited by Missionaries. I would ask questions they couldn’t answer. I would then give them a pamphlet of questions written by ex Mormons. Asked them to come back when they could answer the questions. Yep! They never came back!
Missionaries are not interested in bashing.. they are finding the is who want to learn more about Christ and the Bible. They won't do confrontation because it's not a great environment. That being said, they do answer honest questions. As for most members, they welcome questions like you're talking about. Missionaries just don't have a lot of time to spend it with people who are "hostile" (like a generic term, not about attitude) to the church.
@susanhogg5601 it doesn't sound like this person was being confrontational, just curious. If the church wants to send kids out to teach the gospel they should be prepared to answer tough questions. You should join a church if you don't have all the information
I cannot imagine what would have become of Leon had Sisterwives not happened. Didn’t they cry, wanting to stay in Lehi and live with friends to continue going to the school associated with this church? I think they expressed wanting to live polygamy in early seasons, also. If there is one redeeming factor for this train wreck “reality show” it’s that it provided Leon an Avenue to live authentically. Everyone cheers the wives leaving Kody, I cheer Leon 👏👏👏
This!!! I seem to recall them saying those things early on the show. I'm so grateful to know that Leon can live their life without hiding, fear or others inflicting a concept of "shame" that is definitely not theirs to carry. It does sadden me for all the kids that they've had sibling relationships destroyed (additional to several/most having no father in their now-adult lives.
Mari threw a fit,crying,,I'll never see her married,never have grand kids...Totally selfish. Robin stepped up but I didn't believe it for a moment. She was trying too look young and cool ..
So this means that when Christine left, Meri would have believed she was taking away her ability to see Leon and Kody in the after life? And that’s why she was so mad? It wasn’t about this life but the lifetime to come. Maybe that’s part of why she hung on so long? But I think slowly over time she must have had her beliefs changing too especially in regards to Leon.
This speaker is not only professing mind control, he's WRONG, on every level. Who indoctrinates a 12 year old girl? Aren't Pedophiles illegal ?!?!?!! 😢 This rubbish isn't from God; nor found in any religion; or found in Any gospel!!!🛐 What nonsense!!!!!This man is uneducated & inaccurate. Not to mention these twisted indoctrinations ARE breaking all LAWS that protect little girls.🤮
I thought it was weird for Christine to be mad that Kody kissed Robin before they married. She said it was disrespectful because he's a married man, but she was willing to let him share a bed with her as soon as they "married".
When Kody was explaining to Robyn and he said “the sacred covenant …” I feel like he had changed his tone to sound more like a prophet. Did anyone else notice?
I don't like that Kody guy one bit. He is self centered, and a flaming idiot. He pushed some of his children away. He of course had no problem making them. Most relationships have problems. That is no reason to push your children away and act like you are so important. I understand that he lost a child. It will take a lot of effort to go through it.
This is terrifying .Brain washing kids they've so little chance .it's neither wonder the real world is abhorrent and scary to them . Anyone escaping is tremendously brave
I’m sure she wouldn’t allow it she demand that Kody offer up his daughters from the OG3 first and if so she’d want them to be the last wife. But they have zero personality they are just hohum remember that couch 🛋️ conversation with them like they were drugged
I am a Jewish woman who knew nothing about this cult. I value your work and I wholeheartedly support what you do. I feel this cult is beyond any legitimate religion. How is this acceptable for anyone? Keep up the good work, Katie Joy. You are very special
I am not picking a fight but I have heard that very strict forms of Judaism treat women/ wives in a manner similar to this. The modest dress, not knowing anything but the inside of their houses and their husband, being told that just there to make babies, and not allowing them to leave especially with their children. Again please I'm not picking a fight these are just things that I have heard and it was about one specific group the men wear those big hats.
@@FiliaNoctisyes, it’s the Hasidic “sect”. They are just as sick and abusive as polygamist. I’ve watched several documentaries on them. When women try to leave, the some in the community will try to kill them. This was actually told by former Hasidic members. It’s just as bad.
@@FiliaNoctis - yes ultra othodox jews are very much a cult as well. All fundamentalist religious sects are bad regardless of what religion they belong to. 🤷♀️
Blows my mind that some people of Mormon faith have little knowledge of their own teachings. Same as Catholics, just believe what is fed to them by the priests. People read and study the Holy Bible; none of this is blessed by God!
Anti Catholic bigotry is the last acceptable prejudicein the US. We are not "fed" our beliefs by priests. The Mass contains biblical readings every week.e Have you read our catechism? Attended an actual .Mass? Have you followed Bishop Barron 's Catholic website "The Bible in 365 Days" ?? No mega church big money grifters
@@carole2403xqv1 Thank you! I’m a proud Catholic convert, and when I came into the Church, I was told that I would get a lot of push back. I had to warn my nephew (who’s coming into the Church this Easter) of the same thing. Y’all, PLEASE really look into Catholicism before criticizing the faith. I’ve never felt closer to God as when I really learned about Christianity through the Church. ❤
The good thing about the bible, like other s.c. holy books, is that you can always find a passage that proofs your argument. So everybody is right by saying they are right. In reality it's about power. That's all.
All polygamous cults believe they’re God’s chosen. One Sunday. 4 men told my dad ( the prophet) they had a revelation I was to be their plural wife. That STILL Happens to most girls in the AUB.
As a former VERY active LDS church member, this is 100% true. The LDS faith will practice polygamy in the next life. Men can be sealed to multiple women in the temple, women can only be sealed to one male. They say in the next life it will “all be figured out.” It’s polygamy.
Sorry to burst that ignorant bubble yall aint special nor will any of this happen when u die bc I've had Real NDEs 3 actually and he doesn't give two farts about religion he doesn't even like any of our religious views but one love each other and have love and empathy and compassion in ur heart thats all he wants from us and there's no such thing as hell lady so u are safe for wasting all ur time here in a cult for nothing jokes on u
I have a question. The ratio of males to females in the US is 97 males to 100 females. Assuming that the male to female ratio in the FLDS groups is the same or similar, roughly 50:50, what happens to all the excess young men if a number of them are having multiple wives? Are they ejected from the groups by the leadership?
Omg have just watched this and can only say thank you for your hard work in exposing the reality of the AUB and LDS. I have long understood and believed what you have discussed here and felt disgusted that TLC and the Browns have been so false in their portrait of themselves. They actually disgust me.
I heard about your channel from a negative perspective as someone complaining about you. So I checked it out. I have to say. Literally my favorite TH-cam channel. Thank you for spreading awareness, saying your truths and speaking for those who do not have the words.
My daughter (16) always asks "why don't these kids ask questions? Like why is Jesus or God bringing people down to have spirit babies for the end of the world to take back up to protect from the end of the world? Like that makes no sense. " But she kinda had a few smart remarks watching. She's had me and her dad rolling. 😂
This is wild to watch. Take away the polygamy and it’s just like the Mormon faith I grew up in- but even then we knew we came from polygamists. This youth meeting is like so many that I went to as a mainstream Mormon teenager in the 1990’s
Remember when Maddie, Kody and Janelle’s daughter wanted to join the LDS church and she was told no - The LDS church does not support or endorse or affiliate with these polygamist . i’m sure you’re right that there are people who have dual memberships but it is not encouraged, and if it was known, it would not be allowed -remember I mentioned Katie that I have a friend in Eagle Mountain and he was approached by someone from his LDS congregation to meet with him and secret and that had something really important to share with him. He was probably in the AUB group, trying to convert my friend to join his cult, my friend is he’s a successful handsome man has a great income, I do not believe that the LDS church will someday emerge with the polygamist groups-the AUB can say that we’re cousins but we don’t consider them any part of us !
@@WithoutACrystalBall Hi Katie I’m sorry if it sounded like I was disagreeing with you. On the contrary, I’m not. I wouldn’t put it past the polygamist. I was just saying it’s not encouraged by the mainstream LDS church.
@@WithoutACrystalBall Good morning Miss Katie I’m not implying that polygamy was not practiced. my grandpa’s grandparents practiced polygamy , She was the second wife, the first wife had 10 children, my GGgrandma had 9 - but The church did away with it. They said those who were practicing polygamy could still support and love their families, but no more marriages would be created the people that we are talking about now are off branches of the mainstream LDS. The mainstream LDS church does not practice or encourage its members to practice it .
@@KristinMoon-g2nbut it is still a core belief for the afterlife. Nelson and Oaks are polygamists in heaven. They only got rid of it on earth because their property and money were being threatened.
That part where the one woman mentioned your guardian angel is not required to follow you into “unholy” situations. What even is the point of a guardian angel then, if not to protect you from dangers?? Nonsensical.
This dude speaking to the YOZ is Soooooo boring. No way the kids are paying attention. They're probably texting each other, flirting and arranging hook ups as he speaks
Gift of tongues- interpreteted like the ability to quickly learn a foreign language and be able to be understood. It is NOT like some Pentecostal groups that chatter incomprehensibly.
You’re right about the gift of tongues. When a message in tongues is given in a church body it’s from the Lord someone or the same person will have the interpretation. doing that is also a gift from God. It’s not a translation.. However, many times it is another language and someone in the congregation may know that language and get the interpretation for the body. As far as the Pentecostals, chattering away, when we are filled with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of a speaking in tongues, as it says, in the Bible, we are given a heavenly language just for you and God. You don’t know what you’re saying, but the Holy Spirit is praying through you, through your voice, making intercession for you according to the will of God, the Bible says, sometimes we don’t know what we should pray for or how we should pray. And those times pray in the Holy Spirit. So most all Pentecostals, who have received the baptism in the Holy Spirit, have a prayer language, but not necessarily the gift of tongues. They are separate. When gathered together and praying out loud in the sanctuary none of those words you hear are for you. If you are ever around sincere worship, close your eyes and let the Lord bless your heart. A great example of worship is Jesus Image on your tube. If someone does blurt out a message in tongues and there is no interpretation, they are out of order. They were most likely praying, but missed hearing a message from God to the congregation.
@@Sisterbama - I thank you for that explanation and it’s clarification! I was actually thinking of missionary work and being able to quickly speak in foreign languages and be understood as a gift from God.
Religion in general is pretty good at indoctrinating secrecy. Really appreciate the research you do with friends and family to get the behind the scenes scoop. Appreciate the family and friends that are willing to talk truth.
It IS! Their Esusis Satan's brother! In my mind, that would also make him a demon. The Bible does say that in the last days, there will be many Christs. Christianity Jesus is NOT the brother of Satan!
They only talk about the gift of tongues in the LDS church when you are going on a mission, you are blessed with a priesthood blessing that you will have that gift to be able to share the message.
There is absolutely no requirement that 501(c) (3) organizations be open to the public. Financial information must be filed annually, and that information is available to the public.
I was main stream mormon and the way he taught was about the same... except the polygamy part... but we were told that the family we had here was who our family was... bit different but almost completely what i heard except the polygamy part. We are told if you follow gods will and you would have made the right choice in heaven only you not following god would mess that up. Dang coodie flexies... so he is the problem. Also yes there is difference big ones between aub/flds and ilbp, but most are just how fundamental you want to go. Cause i know mormons who wanted TONS of kids and they believed and i was told to have as many kids as i could for the end days to be warriors for christ
Hi Katie. I listen to your videos every day, but I disagree with some of your commentary on these videos. Probably because I’m Muslim and grew up in the Evangelical Church, buuuuut, I totally agree with dressing modestly and teaching your children to dress modestly. There’s nothing wrong with that. I also don’t disagree with your stance on courting vs. long dating relationships. I think there’s a lot of danger actually in dating without parental/family involvement. There are many faiths that have similar beliefs to these. P.S. I don’t agree with polygamy or polygany
Thank you for all of your reporting and enlightening people on this cult. Even though I hope all these women will find happiness I can't help but think of them as grifters. How could they put their children through this?
Im glad most of the adult kids have zero interest in the lifestyle. The Brown's weren't going to church but then try practice the religion? I think it was a cult of control, obedience or you get dumped with no contact. Imagine the head games.
@@WithoutACrystalBall then let’s see the proof- I’m LDS and I know the church does not allow that- in Temple recommend interviews we are even asked if we are associated with any of those crazy groups. You show me proof and then I’ll believe it. You can’t just say it’s so and that makes it true. A responsible reporter would have the proof.
This woman doesn't seem happy at all and sounds like she's been maybe forced and abused into saying these things, and she sounds like she doesn't really believe in what she's saying and on the verge of tears.
Thank you for making this video.. I didn't know alot of this, and it clears so much up about not just the sister wives, but alot about courtship & 19 kids and counting things with the girls and Jim Bob and Michelle. I understand there different faiths, but soo many parallels...
I lived in Ogden ut for3 years .My husband was in the military there.we lived off base for a year. we were babtist and our child could not play with theit children veru nice. Finally moved. on base.so lonely it was horrible
The belief of the LDS church is that polygamy is a teaching from the prophet, but that they have been commanded to follow the "law of the land". They feel that this is temporary and that they will be polygamists in the afterlife, and hope they will be during their lives here on earth. They are hoping the law will change.
Nor was I, unless the law of the land changes, but then I joined in 1966, well before the computer spread all kinds of info that was kept secret until then.
It would be interesting to track if a beautiful girl was consistently denied to be courted by a young guy but magically "meant" for a older powerful man.
For real though, I don’t let my little girl go to other people’s houses unless they are trusted relatives. I’ve worked for a child advocacy center and the amount of sexual/physical abuse that occurs in even “good” homes is astronomical. Just a thought. The rest is terrifying. Also, the devil must have worked OT when I was a kid because we were partying during the day too! 😂
So, if your husband dies..... Who you are suppose to be on his planet in the afterlife with your kids..... And the church wants you to remarry and have kids with another guy...... Will you be cloned in the afterlife so you can be on both planets with each husband and kids? Or is it more of a mitosis and just happens naturally? Or when your first husband dies does your soul leave and go with him? And you just have a new soul poorer into your old body? Ooooooh! I have so many questions! Oh. My. Godzilla. Rotflmao!
Thank you Katie! I missed the livestream (on BST rn) but wld like to add I really admire your indepth knowledge on this subject❤. I used to live adjacent to the apartment that the LDS rented for their missionaries from the US in Linköping, Sweden. In fact they once tried to recruit me by pointing out that Joseph Smith was an ex-Methodist (I was baptised & brought up as Wesleyan Reform - thankfully w/o all the rod business), but other than that - plus help carrying my shopping from the bus stop, which was greatly appreciated😉 - I didn’t have much to do with them except saying hello. Given that future livestreams will be looking further into the teachings of & differences between the different types of Mormonism, I wonder if you cld research what goes on behind the scenes as regards missionary work (beyond simply preaching the Book of Mormon & enrolling new blood, so to speak)? I’m sure other viewers wld be interested too!
I think you are the most intelligent person who has to date spoken out about sisterwives and the AUB. To such a piont that you must scare this cult and I worry about what they might do to silence you. Your information isn't just gossip it's fact based and shows how scary and brainwashed, power hungry and oppressed, racist, homophobic, elitist this cult is. Stay safe and thanks for the education and insight you've been sharing.
Joseph Smith took things from the Bible. Especially scripture that gave an impression of spirituality Though in the articles of faith, it states they believe in the gift of tongues. in the 18 years of growing up in the AUB (and I was a believer having served a term on the youth council and thought I would live a life of polygamy), never once did I witness or hear of anyone who even came close to speaking in tongues. I have since received the Holy Ghost as it happens according to the Bible and spoke in tongues as the Spirit gave the utterance and God stripped away the false doctrines of the Mormon religion. I will be thankful that it was written in the Mormon articles of faith because I had been taught little of the Bible, yet when a Pentecostal preacher gave me a Bible study showing all those in the Bible who received the Holy Ghost spoke in tongues, I was curious and blown away asking, “this really still happens???!” The Bible study was the first step of many that led me to a relationship with the Lord God, Jesus
Katie- you mentioned we need to remember Meri grew up in this!!! Now you are throwing them under the bus… Give them some time to deprogram! I dont see Kody going back on anything HE HAS DONE! Hold men responsible too. They are trying to navigate their new lives! Have some grace please! Otherwise you sound as kooky as they did in the cult!
Someone may have responded but, I believe he did go back on his word because he's now monogamous and he'd sworn he'd never be with only one wife. He may be looking for another 2 wives but, right now, he caused his being with only 1.
I was referring to Kody in his interviews… he doesnt go back and discuss anything he has done wrong. I loved Katie’s live until the very end - I just thought it was heavy handed on the OG 3 and the damage they have done for others- when earlier she had talked about how their leaving has shown all the women that they CAN leave and had caused trouble keeping women in the AUB since then. Anyways- I was just frustrated in the last few moments of the podcast- I know she is trying to speak out for Kristin and the other women who spoke up prior to the OG3 leaving- but things are where they are now, and none of us can speak for what those women have been through, their prior intentions or are what they are going through now. I think it time they will speak more.
I used to be a Church of Christ member and this is allllll too familiar. They are now getting recognized as a cult (but those of us who know already knew) and they did a lot of this shaming and behavior control. They had lots of these meetings .
@@gottabme I think that was what was called the “mainline” and they were anti-music. The one I was a member of was the offshoot. They were just as controlling but allowed music. But there were all these purity rules and they tried to make women afraid of making “brothers struggle”. Also control of who dates and marries. Also control of money. Control of the stratified leadership. Lots and lots of control. But they used music as a draw and a way to say: hey, we are normal! 😮💨😑
There’s not much talk about birth control anymore. If I recall the church just states it’s up to the individual couple to decide how many and how often and if they want children and what form of birth control they use.
@@gottabme I haven't been part of it in a long time but it was instrumental music that was not allowed. The congregation sings acapella, and in multiple harmonic parts - so in a way very musical!
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Ok, you put me in time out, I’m one of your biggest advocates and spoke out about Down the Rabbit Hole at bedtime. Blocked her on YT. I meant slanderous of the Browns to lie on people on the show. I hope this is corrected.
sorry rosalinda! Thank you so much for clarifying. Please, please accept my apologies. I am so sorry!
@@WithoutACrystalBall it’s ok, not gonna lie it hurt my delicate sensibilities for a couple minutes! 😂 regardless, I support your platform and all the information you bring to light ❤️ keep going!
@@rosalindaresendez2252 I am so sorry, honey! I will do better in the future. Thank you for your unwavering support and accepting my apology. I will pin this to the top so that people will see that I made a huge mistake! I am sorry!
Well, I understand that you having such a huge following, and seeing comments quickly roll in, of course you may misunderstand one single word I sent 🤦🏻♀️ no worries, get that precious boy to sleep! #parentofdifferentlyabled you’re good, and again you have many supporters!
Without a crystal ball, I love how you accept mistakes! Girl, you are a REAL PERSON! Keep going... Everything happening in this extreme religion needs to be brought to light
I grew up in the Christian church. I went to a Christian college. Purity culture was definitely a thing there too. We were told it was our responsibility to not be a stumbling block to our "brothers is Christ." I always thought it was stupid. I even broke the rules a couple of times and got sent back to my dorm to change. I didn't realize how much this affected me until the past few years, and I am now a 43 year old woman. I recently told my mom about purity culture and she didn't realize this had been taught to me, because she was not raised in Christian Church. She was shocked. How about we raise our boys to respect women. I have 1 boy and 1 girl. I am trying my best to teach them body autonomy and respect.
It’s really important to expose information about cults. It’s information which helps people either avoid or break free of these high control groups.
Thank you for trying to help people break away from these cults! ❤
I am so appreciative of the work you’re doing on your channel. Before finding your channel, I’d never heard of the AUB and am grateful to have learned the truth behind Sister Wives and this group.
So Kody and Robyn’s courting was all against the church rules! Shacking up every weekend is alright if it’s your 4th wife!
He's telling them that they are the elite but he's also telling them that they agreed to it so they can't complain, because they chose it. Elite level of manipulation. In some ways it's almost worse than gaslighting, he saying that they chose it. Your husband treats you like shit, can't complain, you chose it. Sick
Right on.
I am LDS and I must say that they do not hide section 132. Many of us descend from early polygamists, including me. You need to get correct info from the LDS, we are not part of the polygamist sects. I worked for Dr Don Allred who is a grandson of Rulon and I am very acquainted with how they do things and how they lie about so many things.
Sadly, I do not think LDS is a legitimate religion either. My opinion respectfully meant ❤
I hate how she lumps the regular LDS in with the polygamists groups.
I am also LDS (or I was) and the LDS Church is absolutely responsible for polygamy. They started it. They stopped only because legally threatened and they sent their polygamists into hiding which created these sects. Mormons still practice polygamy after this life so if you choose to be Mormon, you are accepting polygamy full stop.
@@julieturnbull we appreciate your honesty
@@julieturnbull They only stopped polygamy because they wanted Urah statehood. The federal government made the church ending polygamy as a requirement.
I'm so bummed I missed the live stream! Can't wait for the next. This is unbelievable stuff!!!!!! It's 2024, for heaven sake! Keep up the good work Katie!
In the 1980’s, 1990’s, I was living in Mesa AZ and Lacey WA. Was always being visited by Missionaries. I would ask questions they couldn’t answer. I would then give them a pamphlet of questions written by ex Mormons. Asked them to come back when they could answer the questions. Yep! They never came back!
Missionaries are not interested in bashing.. they are finding the is who want to learn more about Christ and the Bible. They won't do confrontation because it's not a great environment. That being said, they do answer honest questions. As for most members, they welcome questions like you're talking about. Missionaries just don't have a lot of time to spend it with people who are "hostile" (like a generic term, not about attitude) to the church.
@susanhogg5601 it doesn't sound like this person was being confrontational, just curious. If the church wants to send kids out to teach the gospel they should be prepared to answer tough questions. You should join a church if you don't have all the information
Lmao awesome
I always miss the lives but I love watching them later on! Feels like a podcast episode. Excited for this one!!
This is fascinating but sickening and sad at the same time!😮
I cannot imagine what would have become of Leon had Sisterwives not happened. Didn’t they cry, wanting to stay in Lehi and live with friends to continue going to the school associated with this church? I think they expressed wanting to live polygamy in early seasons, also. If there is one redeeming factor for this train wreck “reality show” it’s that it provided Leon an Avenue to live authentically. Everyone cheers the wives leaving Kody, I cheer Leon 👏👏👏
This!!!
I seem to recall them saying those things early on the show.
I'm so grateful to know that Leon can live their life without hiding, fear or others inflicting a concept of "shame" that is definitely not theirs to carry.
It does sadden me for all the kids that they've had sibling relationships destroyed (additional to several/most having no father in their now-adult lives.
I remember there were some who said they NEVER wanted to live in polygamy . Maddie never did and Janelle's oldest son didn't.
Leon did back when. So, yes, she would be she and a sister wive who is unhappy and miserable.
It did provide a better life for all the girls and guys.
Mari threw a fit,crying,,I'll never see her married,never have grand kids...Totally selfish. Robin stepped up but I didn't believe it for a moment. She was trying too look young and cool ..
So this means that when Christine left, Meri would have believed she was taking away her ability to see Leon and Kody in the after life? And that’s why she was so mad? It wasn’t about this life but the lifetime to come. Maybe that’s part of why she hung on so long? But I think slowly over time she must have had her beliefs changing too especially in regards to Leon.
The way the wife talks. It's like the life and soul has been sucked out of her
Trying to be happy but not cry. The women are miserable
Katie I LOVE your lives. I’ve been rewatching your old ones many times. You’re always so well informed and on the spot about everything.
Much love!
Unlike most other SWs commenters, one of the ways you stand out is that you bring RECEIPTS!
Similar to Scientology. They have tax free status yet you can’t enter the buildings
“Boo Hoo” Robyn & DISGUSTING 🤮 Kody ADMITTED to KISSING on the show & Christine got ENORMOUSLY UPSET & ANGRY🤬
Kool aid death next? Some one intervene B4 another atrocious situation transpires!!! 😢
Truth is not allowed . Dictators are professing who can speak, what to say & when!!!
OMG Is this America? Or Korea???
This speaker is not only professing mind control, he's WRONG, on every level. Who indoctrinates a 12 year old girl? Aren't Pedophiles illegal ?!?!?!! 😢
This rubbish isn't from God; nor found in any religion; or found in Any gospel!!!🛐 What nonsense!!!!!This man is uneducated & inaccurate. Not to mention these twisted indoctrinations ARE breaking all LAWS that protect little girls.🤮
I'm pretty sure Kooty didn't drive five hours every weekend for ten months to just hold hands. What other k8nd of hanky panky did they do?
I thought it was weird for Christine to be mad that Kody kissed Robin before they married. She said it was disrespectful because he's a married man, but she was willing to let him share a bed with her as soon as they "married".
I read they talk that because it is almost hypnotic and sinks into the subconscious! Has anyone else heard this?
Thanks for exposing all of them. Christine in particular needs to make a public apology.
Great research Katie! ❤ Thank you for your hard work.
You are so welcome!
When Kody was explaining to Robyn and he said “the sacred covenant …” I feel like he had changed his tone to sound more like a prophet. Did anyone else notice?
Omg! I noticed that! It was creepy!
I don't like that Kody guy one bit. He is self centered, and a flaming idiot. He pushed some of his children away. He of course had no problem making them. Most relationships have problems. That is no reason to push your children away and act like you are so important. I understand that he lost a child. It will take a lot of effort to go through it.
Oh I did, it was cringe worthy!
time stamp?
@@pdub707 it wasn’t in this video but the one where Meri, Kody, and Robin were talking on one of the last episodes.
I hope an advocate comes forward at some point to protect these young women and girls from this perverse crap.
I’m pretty sure Katie is the advocate that you speak of. 😊
And boys too. They are being brain washed to be abusive towards females
This is terrifying .Brain washing kids they've so little chance .it's neither wonder the real world is abhorrent and scary to them . Anyone escaping is tremendously brave
Not rambling, what you are talking about is very interesting! Thank you for doing this!
Robyn’s girls better look out! I’m i’m surprised they haven’t already married them off
I’m sure she wouldn’t allow it she demand that Kody offer up his daughters from the OG3 first and if so she’d want them to be the last wife. But they have zero personality they are just hohum remember that couch 🛋️ conversation with them like they were drugged
I'm sure they are on his list if not already married secretly..
I like the banner on the bottom saying your channels name and everything. I think it’s very smart and it’s not in the way of anything. Well done. 👍
Agreed! Good job, Katie.
If they've already chosen everything premortal, why do they need a revelation on earth?
Thank you for doing these lives Katie! Keep exposing these groups and their disgusting practices. The victims voices need to be heard💖
I am a Jewish woman who knew nothing about this cult. I value your work and I wholeheartedly support what you do. I feel this cult is beyond any legitimate religion. How is this acceptable for anyone? Keep up the good work, Katie Joy. You are very special
I am not picking a fight but I have heard that very strict forms of Judaism treat women/ wives in a manner similar to this. The modest dress, not knowing anything but the inside of their houses and their husband, being told that just there to make babies, and not allowing them to leave especially with their children. Again please I'm not picking a fight these are just things that I have heard and it was about one specific group the men wear those big hats.
Hasidic Judaism is just as bad and abusive towards women. However most mainstream Jews do not agree with what they do.
@@FiliaNoctisyes, it’s the Hasidic “sect”. They are just as sick and abusive as polygamist. I’ve watched several documentaries on them. When women try to leave, the some in the community will try to kill them. This was actually told by former Hasidic members. It’s just as bad.
Certain communities of Orthodox Jews, yes you’re right. Not all Jews though!
@@FiliaNoctis - yes ultra othodox jews are very much a cult as well.
All fundamentalist religious sects are bad regardless of what religion they belong to. 🤷♀️
Great job, Katie🎉 Thank you for all of this. You do such a great job with your research.
Blows my mind that some people of Mormon faith have little knowledge of their own teachings. Same as Catholics, just believe what is fed to them by the priests. People read and study the Holy Bible; none of this is blessed by God!
All religion is made up by man.
Anti Catholic bigotry is the last acceptable prejudicein the US. We are not "fed" our beliefs by priests. The Mass contains biblical readings every week.e Have you read our catechism? Attended an actual .Mass? Have you followed Bishop Barron 's Catholic website "The Bible in 365 Days" ?? No mega church big money grifters
@@carole2403xqv1 Thank you! I’m a proud Catholic convert, and when I came into the Church, I was told that I would get a lot of push back. I had to warn my nephew (who’s coming into the Church this Easter) of the same thing. Y’all, PLEASE really look into Catholicism before criticizing the faith. I’ve never felt closer to God as when I really learned about Christianity through the Church. ❤
The good thing about the bible, like other s.c. holy books, is that you can always find a passage that proofs your argument. So everybody is right by saying they are right. In reality it's about power. That's all.
Don’t lump Catholics in with these folks.
All polygamous cults believe they’re God’s chosen. One Sunday. 4 men told my dad ( the prophet) they had a revelation I was to be their plural wife. That STILL Happens to most girls in the AUB.
It’s so sad
Wow. Those poor girls!
How can they maintain their 501c3 status being this closed? Report them!
I was wondering how it can stand when they are known for polygamy and it's illegal.
Until substantial monetary fraud can be proven, the government doesn't want to mess with freedom of religion
The same way scientology does, I guess.
Money talks and BS walks. I'm sure they are "greasing" multiple hands. 🤬
@@TashaSewingTutorialsThat’s exactly what I was thinking.
Omgggg I really missed your lives. I'm so glad that you're doing them again!!
As a former VERY active LDS church member, this is 100% true. The LDS faith will practice polygamy in the next life. Men can be sealed to multiple women in the temple, women can only be sealed to one male. They say in the next life it will “all be figured out.” It’s polygamy.
I went to college for a male field. A Mormon dude who was married actually asked me to be his second wife. I'm not even Mormon!
@@seameology that was not an LDS person.
Yes!! I'm still married. In that sense! And I'm not active At all! Years!
Sorry to burst that ignorant bubble yall aint special nor will any of this happen when u die bc I've had Real NDEs 3 actually and he doesn't give two farts about religion he doesn't even like any of our religious views but one love each other and have love and empathy and compassion in ur heart thats all he wants from us and there's no such thing as hell lady so u are safe for wasting all ur time here in a cult for nothing jokes on u
I have a question. The ratio of males to females in the US is 97 males to 100 females. Assuming that the male to female ratio in the FLDS groups is the same or similar, roughly 50:50, what happens to all the excess young men if a number of them are having multiple wives? Are they ejected from the groups by the leadership?
They're driven off. Rumors have it, there's boys cemeteries. I have no recepts but I believe it.
" The Lost Boys"
The extra boys are kicked out of the community.
Thank you for doing this Katie. Excellent job!
How do you know Christine hasn’t done therapy? We don’t.
I noticed a lot of self-help books on her bookshelves❤❤❤
Thanks for the information. This helps me better understand my LDS relatives.
Great to see you again, Katie Joy!! You look beautiful 🌷
KATIE; this has been so educational thanks a million,
Omg have just watched this and can only say thank you for your hard work in exposing the reality of the AUB and LDS. I have long understood and believed what you have discussed here and felt disgusted that TLC and the Browns have been so false in their portrait of themselves. They actually disgust me.
The part about the pregnancy clothing was completely chilling 😢
I heard about your channel from a negative perspective as someone complaining about you. So I checked it out. I have to say. Literally my favorite TH-cam channel. Thank you for spreading awareness, saying your truths and speaking for those who do not have the words.
So when Kody and Robyn had sex while they wete courting did that void the OG marriages??
My daughter (16) always asks "why don't these kids ask questions? Like why is Jesus or God bringing people down to have spirit babies for the end of the world to take back up to protect from the end of the world? Like that makes no sense. " But she kinda had a few smart remarks watching. She's had me and her dad rolling. 😂
This is wild to watch. Take away the polygamy and it’s just like the Mormon faith I grew up in- but even then we knew we came from polygamists.
This youth meeting is like so many that I went to as a mainstream Mormon teenager in the 1990’s
Remember when Maddie, Kody and Janelle’s daughter wanted to join the LDS church and she was told no -
The LDS church does not support or endorse or affiliate with these polygamist . i’m sure you’re right that there are people who have dual memberships but it is not encouraged, and if it was known, it would not be allowed -remember I mentioned Katie that I have a friend in Eagle Mountain and he was approached by someone from his LDS congregation to meet with him and secret and that had something really important to share with him. He was probably in the AUB group, trying to convert my friend to join his cult, my friend is he’s a successful handsome man has a great income,
I do not believe that the LDS church will someday emerge with the polygamist groups-the AUB can say that we’re cousins but we don’t consider them any part of us !
They are in the LDS church - whether you want to believe it or not- isn’t really relevant- it’s a fact that they do this
@@WithoutACrystalBall
Hi Katie
I’m sorry if it sounded like I was disagreeing with you. On the contrary, I’m not.
I wouldn’t put it past the polygamist. I was just saying it’s not encouraged by the mainstream LDS church.
It’s not encouraged - but the LDS church still has polygamy in their belief system - which is how the polygamist groups convert members
@@WithoutACrystalBall
Good morning Miss Katie
I’m not implying that polygamy was not practiced.
my grandpa’s grandparents practiced polygamy ,
She was the second wife, the first wife had 10 children, my GGgrandma had 9 - but
The church did away with it. They said those who were practicing polygamy could still support and love their families, but no more marriages would be created
the people that we are talking about now are off branches of the mainstream LDS. The mainstream LDS church does not practice or encourage its members to practice it .
@@KristinMoon-g2nbut it is still a core belief for the afterlife. Nelson and Oaks are polygamists in heaven. They only got rid of it on earth because their property and money were being threatened.
Sounds a lot like the IBLP, when it comes to courting, asking permission from parents, no time alone, no kissing except over the altar, etc.
Thxs for the info! Its upsetting, but not at you. Good to know.
That part where the one woman mentioned your guardian angel is not required to follow you into “unholy” situations. What even is the point of a guardian angel then, if not to protect you from dangers?? Nonsensical.
I'm glad you clarified the difference in LDS and mainstream Christianity. 😊
What is a blood oath.????
This dude speaking to the YOZ is Soooooo boring. No way the kids are paying attention. They're probably texting each other, flirting and arranging hook ups as he speaks
The AUB reminds me of Scientology 😊
Gift of tongues- interpreteted like the ability to quickly learn a foreign language and be able to be understood. It is NOT like some Pentecostal groups that chatter incomprehensibly.
I feel like we would know by now if all the kids and adults spoke multiple languages?
You’re right about the gift of tongues. When a message in tongues is given in a church body it’s from the Lord someone or the same person will have the interpretation. doing that is also a gift from God. It’s not a translation.. However, many times it is another language and someone in the congregation may know that language and get the interpretation for the body. As far as the Pentecostals, chattering away, when we are filled with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of a speaking in tongues, as it says, in the Bible, we are given a heavenly language just for you and God. You don’t know what you’re saying, but the Holy Spirit is praying through you, through your voice, making intercession for you according to the will of God, the Bible says, sometimes we don’t know what we should pray for or how we should pray. And those times pray in the Holy Spirit.
So most all Pentecostals, who have received the baptism in the Holy Spirit, have a prayer language, but not necessarily the gift of tongues. They are separate. When gathered together and praying out loud in the sanctuary none of those words you hear are for you. If you are ever around sincere worship, close your eyes and let the Lord bless your heart. A great example of worship is Jesus Image on your tube.
If someone does blurt out a message in tongues and there is no interpretation, they are out of order. They were most likely praying, but missed hearing a message from God to the congregation.
@@Sisterbama - I thank you for that explanation and it’s clarification! I was actually thinking of missionary work and being able to quickly speak in foreign languages and be understood as a gift from God.
Polygamy is offensive!
Religion in general is pretty good at indoctrinating secrecy. Really appreciate the research you do with friends and family to get the behind the scenes scoop. Appreciate the family and friends that are willing to talk truth.
You are so right Katie Joy there are so many differences between this and the Christianity that I know it's like two completely different religions
It IS! Their Esusis Satan's brother! In my mind, that would also make him a demon.
The Bible does say that in the last days, there will be many Christs.
Christianity Jesus is NOT the brother of Satan!
They only talk about the gift of tongues in the LDS church when you are going on a mission, you are blessed with a priesthood blessing that you will have that gift to be able to share the message.
If you say river bursting in the pants again I will have to pull over im crying im laughing so hard.
😅😅😅 you are welcome
There is absolutely no requirement that 501(c) (3) organizations be open to the public. Financial information must be filed annually, and that information is available to the public.
Thanks Katie for all your research and for explaining everything.
I was main stream mormon and the way he taught was about the same... except the polygamy part... but we were told that the family we had here was who our family was... bit different but almost completely what i heard except the polygamy part. We are told if you follow gods will and you would have made the right choice in heaven only you not following god would mess that up. Dang coodie flexies... so he is the problem. Also yes there is difference big ones between aub/flds and ilbp, but most are just how fundamental you want to go. Cause i know mormons who wanted TONS of kids and they believed and i was told to have as many kids as i could for the end days to be warriors for christ
Hi Katie. I listen to your videos every day, but I disagree with some of your commentary on these videos. Probably because I’m Muslim and grew up in the Evangelical Church, buuuuut, I totally agree with dressing modestly and teaching your children to dress modestly. There’s nothing wrong with that. I also don’t disagree with your stance on courting vs. long dating relationships. I think there’s a lot of danger actually in dating without parental/family involvement. There are many faiths that have similar beliefs to these.
P.S. I don’t agree with polygamy or polygany
The government should go after all these nonprofit churches, period.
Thank you for all of your reporting and enlightening people on this cult. Even though I hope all these women will find happiness I can't help but think of them as grifters. How could they put their children through this?
They're brainwashed, they believe they're obeying God.
Im glad most of the adult kids have zero interest in the lifestyle. The Brown's weren't going to church but then try practice the religion? I think it was a cult of control, obedience or you get dumped with no contact. Imagine the head games.
Are you planning on doing more of these soon? I thoroughly enjoyed this live.
That has to be a lie- the church - LDS would excommunicate him for practicing polygamy and for belonging to the AUB! No way! Let’s see the proof
It’s true
Your comment same correct to me -
@@WithoutACrystalBall then let’s see the proof- I’m LDS and I know the church does not allow that- in Temple recommend interviews we are even asked if we are associated with any of those crazy groups. You show me proof and then I’ll believe it. You can’t just say it’s so and that makes it true. A responsible reporter would have the proof.
This woman doesn't seem happy at all and sounds like she's been maybe forced and abused into saying these things, and she sounds like she doesn't really believe in what she's saying and on the verge of tears.
What woman exactly?
The women speaking in the video that Katie showed. What do you mean, what woman?
Thank you for making this video.. I didn't know alot of this, and it clears so much up about not just the sister wives, but alot about courtship & 19 kids and counting things with the girls and Jim Bob and Michelle. I understand there different faiths, but soo many parallels...
Is there something we should be doing to get rid of this cult? or to help those who want out?
I lived in Ogden ut for3 years .My husband was in the military there.we lived off base for a year. we were babtist
and our child could not play with theit children veru nice. Finally moved. on base.so lonely it was horrible
That’s so wrong
I’m so sorry -
Actually the mainstream LDS does teach the exact same the about the pre mortal existence
The belief of the LDS church is that polygamy is a teaching from the prophet, but that they have been commanded to follow the "law of the land". They feel that this is temporary and that they will be polygamists in the afterlife, and hope they will be during their lives here on earth. They are hoping the law will change.
Shocking thing to hear -
I’m a member of the LDS church
On the contrary, I’ve never been taught that I will be asked to do polygamy
@@KristinMoon-g2n I always asked why god didn’t make enough men if he’s all powerful.
Nor was I, unless the law of the land changes, but then I joined in 1966, well before the computer spread all kinds of info that was kept secret until then.
ONE million thumbs up! Great information. Thank you. I LOVE FACTS. :-)
Very informative! Thanks Katie 👏👏
The river butsting im dying omg
It would be interesting to track if a beautiful girl was consistently denied to be courted by a young guy but magically "meant" for a older powerful man.
Happens all the time
Oh for sure!
Good for you Katie say it like it is
Thank you so much for educating me and others. Keep up the great work Katie!!
For real though, I don’t let my little girl go to other people’s houses unless they are trusted relatives. I’ve worked for a child advocacy center and the amount of sexual/physical abuse that occurs in even “good” homes is astronomical. Just a thought.
The rest is terrifying. Also, the devil must have worked OT when I was a kid because we were partying during the day too! 😂
You and me both!! 😂😂
Can't party all day if you don't start in the morning.
Remember most assaults are committed by family and friends. Don't trust too much.
@@BildgesmytheYep!
These people, this cult is out of their ever-loving minds.
So, if your husband dies..... Who you are suppose to be on his planet in the afterlife with your kids..... And the church wants you to remarry and have kids with another guy...... Will you be cloned in the afterlife so you can be on both planets with each husband and kids? Or is it more of a mitosis and just happens naturally? Or when your first husband dies does your soul leave and go with him? And you just have a new soul poorer into your old body? Ooooooh! I have so many questions! Oh. My. Godzilla. Rotflmao!
The parts about this religion that do not make sense! You spotted it!
*new soul poorer into your body, should read: new soul poured into your body.
There's many religions that don't make sense, but at least they're not THIS damaging. But what do I know? I'm an atheist. I'm hello bound for sure;)
I feel like none of them actually believe that heaven is even real. You can be with anyone you like because it’s not real.
You can divorce that man who died and get remarried and tithed to. Or just live your life as a widow.
Thank you Katie! I missed the livestream (on BST rn) but wld like to add I really admire your indepth knowledge on this subject❤.
I used to live adjacent to the apartment that the LDS rented for their missionaries from the US in Linköping, Sweden. In fact they once tried to recruit me by pointing out that Joseph Smith was an ex-Methodist (I was baptised & brought up as Wesleyan Reform - thankfully w/o all the rod business), but other than that - plus help carrying my shopping from the bus stop, which was greatly appreciated😉 - I didn’t have much to do with them except saying hello.
Given that future livestreams will be looking further into the teachings of & differences between the different types of Mormonism, I wonder if you cld research what goes on behind the scenes as regards missionary work (beyond simply preaching the Book of Mormon & enrolling new blood, so to speak)? I’m sure other viewers wld be interested too!
Why do the speakers all sound so boring
I think you are the most intelligent person who has to date spoken out about sisterwives and the AUB. To such a piont that you must scare this cult and I worry about what they might do to silence you. Your information isn't just gossip it's fact based and shows how scary and brainwashed, power hungry and oppressed, racist, homophobic, elitist this cult is. Stay safe and thanks for the education and insight you've been sharing.
Joseph Smith took things from the Bible. Especially scripture that gave an impression of spirituality
Though in the articles of faith, it states they believe in the gift of tongues. in the 18 years of growing up in the AUB (and I was a believer having served a term on the youth council and thought I would live a life of polygamy), never once did I witness or hear of anyone who even came close to speaking in tongues.
I have since received the Holy Ghost as it happens according to the Bible and spoke in tongues as the Spirit gave the utterance and God stripped away the false doctrines of the Mormon religion.
I will be thankful that it was written in the Mormon articles of faith because I had been taught little of the Bible, yet when a Pentecostal preacher gave me a Bible study showing all those in the Bible who received the Holy Ghost spoke in tongues, I was curious and blown away asking, “this really still happens???!” The Bible study was the first step of many that led me to a relationship with the Lord God, Jesus
The amount of sexual repression in these sex cults is mind boggling.
So informitive this is crazy!
Katie- you mentioned we need to remember Meri grew up in this!!! Now you are throwing them under the bus… Give them some time to deprogram! I dont see Kody going back on anything HE HAS DONE! Hold men responsible too. They are trying to navigate their new lives! Have some grace please! Otherwise you sound as kooky as they did in the cult!
Someone may have responded but, I believe he did go back on his word because he's now monogamous and he'd sworn he'd never be with only one wife.
He may be looking for another 2 wives but, right now, he caused his being with only 1.
I was referring to Kody in his interviews… he doesnt go back and discuss anything he has done wrong. I loved Katie’s live until the very end - I just thought it was heavy handed on the OG 3 and the damage they have done for others- when earlier she had talked about how their leaving has shown all the women that they CAN leave and had caused trouble keeping women in the AUB since then. Anyways- I was just frustrated in the last few moments of the podcast- I know she is trying to speak out for Kristin and the other women who spoke up prior to the OG3 leaving- but things are where they are now, and none of us can speak for what those women have been through, their prior intentions or are what they are going through now. I think it time they will speak more.
WOW, I thought it was just a goofy kind of show. Thanks for the real information! Dont shoot the messenger folks.
Yes! Shout out to Doris! I love that show "Polygamy, What Love is this?"
It's so good!
Love you so much for educating us❤
I used to be a Church of Christ member and this is allllll too familiar. They are now getting recognized as a cult (but those of us who know already knew) and they did a lot of this shaming and behavior control.
They had lots of these meetings .
I knew someone who was CoC, and they didn't allow music in their church. Are all CoC that way?
@@gottabme I think that was what was called the “mainline” and they were anti-music. The one I was a member of was the offshoot. They were just as controlling but allowed music. But there were all these purity rules and they tried to make women afraid of making “brothers struggle”. Also control of who dates and marries. Also control of money. Control of the stratified leadership. Lots and lots of control. But they used music as a draw and a way to say: hey, we are normal! 😮💨😑
There’s not much talk about birth control anymore. If I recall the church just states it’s up to the individual couple to decide how many and how often and if they want children and what form of birth control they use.
@@gottabme I haven't been part of it in a long time but it was instrumental music that was not allowed. The congregation sings acapella, and in multiple harmonic parts - so in a way very musical!
@@littlehouseinthebigapple5716 Thanks for that info!
Road trip today so excited for this video it’s so fascinating and clears things up so much! Woohoo
Impressed by your research.
Thank you for doing live streams ❤clarification