'skip if you don't want spoilers'. Then they go right back to it without warning. this is the fourth video that I have watched and the first spoiler I've had.... Still a really informative and we'll made video, but maybe just add a pop up to warn people.
I'm sure it's difficult trying to show what's in the box while keeping any "secrets" hidden. I'd say that anything in a sealed box/envelope should be kept secret until opened by the player. They actually showed the boss at the very beginning of the unboxing along with other stuff in the box. At least they didn't start going through the envelopes!
Agreed, totally wasn't necessary. Every other video on this game held that detail secret except these guys. I don't think RIOT would have hidden that away in it's own separate box if they wanted it to be spoiled.
Right. I mean, they only, specifically said not to open things until told, sealed the box with caution tape, purposely obscured anything other than the axe, and hid the other "secret" component for that miniature. Of course it would be a Spoiler.
4:10 @David: I believe that Specter Ops had spot gloss for the numbers on each space on the board. But that actually caused some readability issues, so this might be a case of spot gloss implemented well on a board.
Was highly impressed with the production quality video. Having never seen your stuff before, I expected to be a pretty well-known, popular channel for people who like board game. *looks at views and subs and sees around 15k and 10k respectively*. I was quite surprised in a good way! Thanks for the quality review. I was a little suspicious at just how positive you were about the game, but the other comments laid my fears of a bribed review to rest. Keep making quality material!
Production value looks amazing, but to be honest a company like Riot Games with their art department and $$$ it would be expected. I like how it 'fits' with their lore and has elements of the Moba in it, such as the hourglass for the drafting, thematically they know what they are doing. As for the game itself. It seems nice and the production value justifies the cost, but I'm not sure it would be entirely for me and my playgroup - we like competitive aspects. Maybe if we'd get to try it or the price drops a bit. On a sidenote - this is the first time I've seen a Man vs Meeple video.. it is a very clear explanation and a good showcase of the game and its elements. You guys also have great production value - I subbed.
Not sure if I'm more impressed with the inserts or the figures. This looks fantastic. Note: There's some sealed box spoilers in the video so tread carefully if you're wanting to avoid spoilers. $75 price point is insane.
There is zero argument that this isn't an incredible value, but out of curiosity, how replayable are the scenarios? Is this a one shot run like a Legacy, or is it just the character leveling and "surprises" that are Legacy like?
I for one hope that other companies do have to take notice, and the days of a game releasing with a $50 or 60 price point with garbage components are numbered
It probably won't affect the rest of the boardgame industry too much. The price gets marked up by the distributor and the FLGS. You do see some games being cheaper from online retailers and that cuts into their (retailer's) profits.
I'm usually quite suspicious of mini-heavy games. But this review and all others are just so positive that I'm now utterly intrigued. Throw in my two favourite mechanisms (co-op & programming) and I am definitely looking forward to owning a copy of this! And the production quality, wow. So glad they're selling this direct to keep the price down. I hope it's a huge success as it looks like a lot of fun. And the small items, like the timer to help alleviate some AP, is an impressive amount of thought into keeping the game play smooth and only as long as necessary. The added stress of the timer sounds like it'll be fun :-).
Agreed! I find it hilarious too that the LOL players are complaining that this is way overpriced. On the other hand, I am looking at little Euros being priced at 50-70 Euros at the upcoming Spiel for just some wood bits and a pair of generic dice.
They have no finacial risk: They make a ton of money and even if M vs M fails they would not notice. They sell the game in their shop. They don't need any advertising. The "high quality" stuff is mostly plastic which is very inexpensive. ... This isn't some kind of charity, they calculated a big revenue. Why would I know? I don't but I play Leauge of Legends quite some time and I know their pricing model ingame. anybody that thinks Riot would charge 75 $ only because they care so much about their community is just jumping the hype train. They damn well know it would not sell for 150 $ or above. Plus, although it's a solid game, its not something that will be played at a party or spontanously with some friends that are not really into board games. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice game but it is nothing really special and definitely doesn't come at a super low price. It is moderate.
I disagree... they could have easily charge well $200 for this due to the amount of Minis in the game, the quality of the minis and the quality of the rest of the components... that alone would justify the $200 tag, just look at Kingdom Death Monster for example... So, if they wanted, they could have made more money... I'm not saying that they are doing this for the community or out of the kindness of their hearts, no they certainly plan on getting more money in the future, they were just experimenting in this new market and wanted to make a BIG Splash and have everyone talking about this, even non boardgamers... this is excellent PR from their part, extremely well done and that's where the big profit comes for them... A Fantastic Production game at a low price coming out of nowhere, I don't remember a game so well kept secret and getting a reveal like this... Kudos to Riot Games... As for the quality of the gameplay itself, well what for me can be a fantastic game for you can be trash :) Not saying that his is fantastic, it sure looks to be a very cool game with amazing production at a fantastic price... I'm sold!
This game is not so compelx that you couldn't introduce it to non-gamers. Nobody will be playing this at parties, sure, but when is the last time you played a $100 high production quality game at a party? This is not a party game, this is a whole different market segment, and comparable games like Star Wars: Rebellion, Arcadia Quest, Cthulhu Wars etc. can go cry in a corner compared to this game's price/value ratio. This would definitely sell for $150. For evidence just look at any Kickstarter project by Cool Mini Or Not. Far from moderate by current industry value standards.
Right now it's £420 on Amazon, and ~£150 on eBay, and I'm not interested in paying either price. I guess that's a supply issue, because the MvM homepage shows it to be $75, which is actually pretty good considering what you get.
You guys eluded to the price point, but this can't be overstated. This game, from a component standpoint, is revolutionary. I'm not sure, but this seems to be a Riot Games loss leader venture. The game may be great, but this is setting the bar artificially high in the industry. I'm really conflicted on the long term impact of this game and the impact on the industry as a whole. I would really like to hear from someone like Jamey Stonemaier or owners of other companies, like CMON, who are pushing to have deluxe components, but not in retail editions. I was listening to the Miami Dice group, and Sam states, "See industry, look here at M&M, it can be done!" It can be? Really? I'm calling BS. It can't be done, or it would have been done already. Riot Games was able to produce this game because they have the resources to take a hit on this. M&M is a pure marketing ploy to draw people into their video game product. Love to hear some feedback and whether I'm way off base here.
Riot Games are only selling the game directly through their website, thus, cutting out the middle men. It's the difference between selling to a distributor at 40% of the recommended retail price, and selling to the consumer at full price. I would speculate Riot Games is in no way marketing the game as a loss leader, and will be making a profit on the project. The game would have to cost over $75 (minus sales tax) per unit to develop, produce, and ship to their distribution centre in order to incur a loss. For reference, you can expect even a component rich game to cost between 20-30% of the recommended retail price to manufacture. On this basis, they could afford to spend as much as three times the average on production and still make a tidy profit, as they receive all the proceeds of the sale. Hope this helps. :)
I agree with the part that this game might set the industry standard too high, and also that the profit margin for this boardgame will probably be very low. However, i dont think that M&M is a pure marketing ploy. I mean, think about it: As a incredibly successfull video game company with over 100 million active players, where would you look to expand your franchise to? Which target group holds enough potential new league players that it would be worth investing into? Do you really think the answer would be boardgame fans? I mean, even if M&M becomes a smashing hit within the boardgame community, and even if it becomes so huge that the boardgame community grows by a lot, there would still not be enough potential new players for league of legends to make this effort worth it. However, why would riot do this then? I honestly cant tell you. Maybe diversification? Being a one-trick pony can be dangerous, and riot has a lot of capital to explore new business areas. However, if diversification is their goal, then i think we will see a lot of different new things from riot, because again, boardgames are...kinda niche if you compare them to the video gaming industry. Maybe they just have huge boardgame fans at riot and the money to just do it? I have no idea what the motives behind this are, what do you think about this? Please excuse if what i wrote makes no sense, english is not my first language.
One major detail that I learned: Tencent, one of China's largest tech companies, owns majority stake in Riot Games. That would play a major role in manufacturing costs. Scrap the whole loss leader idea.
I've been a Riot/League of Legends fan since pretty much the beginning, and also happen to be a board game fan as well. So following project as to why would a company like Riot make something like this. Turns out it is a major passion project from a big portion of their development team that they have been working on for ~3 years. So at a slight profit or just even breaking even they would be happy with. Looking at the quality and the cost and a huge (100 million active players) fan base, I think it will be a huge success.
Stellar review of a stellar looking game! I'll be doing my bit to try and order through a crashing website when it's available to do so. Also... at a stretch you could include Space Alert in that cooperative programming 'genre'. Another board gaming love of mine.
You probably could. Here are a few ideas to try: =========================== Capture the flag: Put 2 on 2 capture the flag style. Make a 2x2 tile map. Put the 4 crystal shards at the center of the map. Each mech can carry a cyrstal, but when damaged, they drop the crystal (rolling the rune die just like in the missions). You have to carry the shard back to your start square (one of the two outside corners on your side of the board). Alter the rules so that when you hit another mech with an attack it does damage to that mech (maybe opponent mechs only). I am not sure about ramming. I would probably try ramming another mech does NOT cause damage to opposing mechs, but does push them. Just like it does now. Once a crystal is scored, it is out play. First side to claim 2 crystals wins. No schematics. Alternatively you might have it where the first team to have both crystals in place win but the crystals stay on the map corner (and thus can be stolen). Draft like you would in co-op. Each person grabs one card at a time alternating from the start player. Rotate start player so it goes back and forth to each person each time. You need to be specific which mech you are drafting for. It has to be the current player mech first. =========================== Race: Put the tiles in a 4x1 orientation. Place the 4 mechs on one side of the long map. First team to have a player that makes it to the other side first wins. (or maybe first player to have get both mechs to the other side wins). Otherwise same as above. Draft alternates. Damage opponent mechs. Etc. =========================== King of the hill(ish) Create a 2x2 tile map just like the capture the flag map. In this varient instead of trying to bring the crystals back to the spawn points, you get a point for each round you have a crystal. You will get 2 points for a round where your mechs both have a crystal. Use minions to talley points. Go X rounds (maybe 16). The person with the most points wins. =========================== Killing dome Create a 2x2 tile map. Place minions on all rune spots. Roll for starting player. In reverse player order, place a mech on one of the maps 4 corners. Play like you normally would on a mission except mechs can damage opposing mechs (or maybe not). Keep track of kills for each player. The person with the most minion kills after X rounds wins (maybe 16) The minion phase is one that is probably going to take some play testing to get right. Since I am just talking out of my mouth with no testing, these might not work so well. Idea 1) At the end of a round, roll the rune die. All minions move in that direction, Spawn minions on that rune color. Minions do damage like normal. Idea 2) At the end of the round, move the minions towards the closes mech. spawn minions on all spawn spots. What I wouldn't suggest is to add a way to use schematics. The Hex Minefield from Ziggs is going to be too powerful. You can't have a level where the minions spawn on a specific rune color and have that ability in play. It will be OP. ======================== I am sure there are other ways to make this competitive as well. These are just the first few that came to my mind.
Pretty nice review and game! I am actually so hyped for that like all true fans(like me playing from season 2 :p) The bad thing is that i cant afford it right now but hopefully i will buy it in the future :).
Such a rollercoaster emotionally... Yay, Yordles! Gah, no Veigar?!? Yay, nice components! Bummer, co-op... Yay, campaign! Shoot, Legacy elements with limited replayability!? Yay, programming! Oh, very limited options for the programming. Yay, value! Oh, still a hefty investment... Well, might go for it for the minion figs alone... have to think about it.
It sounds like the only legacy part is that you get to use different things with different campaigns. It doesn't sound like there is any destruction of components. I've heard there's a lot of replayability since there are challenge modes and such. You can go back and play old scenarios by taking new stuff out.
Very well done. Would like to hear which 3 gencon games you guys enjoy the most. The preview needs a wrap-up. 3 is best because most gamers are not buying more and you can't be too excited for more.
Terraforming Mars? I bet Jeremy will have big "told you so" smile on his face after reading that. I am shocked that Stronghold can produce a good game. We are very interested in your first two choices.
Man...they sure made you all keep shush about this one. I read somewhere that it was around 3 years in developing and not a single leaked photo or something. Sure looks awesome and as a LoL player must have for me. Great job on review as always. Keep up the awesome work you do.
There was a leak when one of the sites released their article early! NDAs are serious business and are generally not worth breaking if you want to maintain a relationship with the company and your money. You could tell reviewers were hyped about this game with how often they'd hint at an upcoming review that they couldn't talk about. Glad the hype seems warranted at this point.
Yeah. Game sure looks interesting enough. A production quality looks amazing. Too bad I'm at Essen Spiel on release date and I believe game will sold out in minutes.
It sounds like there are 30k in the initial print run with another 30k on order. I think they're going to do their best to get copies into the hands of people interested. I'll be interested in how many people that don't traditionally play boardgames will pick this up thanks to the LoL branding.
Thanks for ruining the surprises. Got to drop you guys out of anger now. For your remaining viewers.. I hope you don't do a review of pandemic legacy. I was almost a fan, but you guys lost me in the first video I watched of you guys. I'm irritated.
Well, Descent, doom, legends, etc all have way more figure seither Way More Detail etc.This show Sounds bought by riot. The mechanics are not Bad - but nothing i Would pay 100$ for. Creativity: 0 points. I made games like this in 4th grade... No joking
LOL, show the spoiler and then say, "Spoiler Alert". It's all good. Game looks amazing.
'skip if you don't want spoilers'. Then they go right back to it without warning. this is the fourth video that I have watched and the first spoiler I've had....
Still a really informative and we'll made video, but maybe just add a pop up to warn people.
I'm sure it's difficult trying to show what's in the box while keeping any "secrets" hidden. I'd say that anything in a sealed box/envelope should be kept secret until opened by the player.
They actually showed the boss at the very beginning of the unboxing along with other stuff in the box. At least they didn't start going through the envelopes!
The figure itself is meant to be a surprise. I, for one, wish this wasn't revealed or discussed in the video. :/
Agreed, totally wasn't necessary. Every other video on this game held that detail secret except these guys. I don't think RIOT would have hidden that away in it's own separate box if they wanted it to be spoiled.
Right. I mean, they only, specifically said not to open things until told, sealed the box with caution tape, purposely obscured anything other than the axe, and hid the other "secret" component for that miniature. Of course it would be a Spoiler.
4:10 @David: I believe that Specter Ops had spot gloss for the numbers on each space on the board. But that actually caused some readability issues, so this might be a case of spot gloss implemented well on a board.
Oh that spoiler, without notice, should be careful with people who are sensitive about it.
Was highly impressed with the production quality video. Having never seen your stuff before, I expected to be a pretty well-known, popular channel for people who like board game. *looks at views and subs and sees around 15k and 10k respectively*. I was quite surprised in a good way! Thanks for the quality review. I was a little suspicious at just how positive you were about the game, but the other comments laid my fears of a bribed review to rest. Keep making quality material!
Whoa, the review quality... how did I miss you guys before? Awesome work!
"heres the boss. thats a spoiler." fucking, thanks alot...
Finally.. The only video in existence that has pictures of the boss minion.
Production value looks amazing, but to be honest a company like Riot Games with their art department and $$$ it would be expected. I like how it 'fits' with their lore and has elements of the Moba in it, such as the hourglass for the drafting, thematically they know what they are doing.
As for the game itself. It seems nice and the production value justifies the cost, but I'm not sure it would be entirely for me and my playgroup - we like competitive aspects. Maybe if we'd get to try it or the price drops a bit.
On a sidenote - this is the first time I've seen a Man vs Meeple video.. it is a very clear explanation and a good showcase of the game and its elements. You guys also have great production value - I subbed.
Not sure if I'm more impressed with the inserts or the figures. This looks fantastic.
Note: There's some sealed box spoilers in the video so tread carefully if you're wanting to avoid spoilers.
$75 price point is insane.
can't lie but $75 is disgustingly cheap.
Compared to other games that came with less quality components, this game is a steal.
Thanks! Glad you like the Game Trayz! I would say they are equally cool!
Really happy for GT to get into the boxes. Already use the trays just about every time I play a game.
Hard to resist any game after a Man v. Meeple review!
This game looks awesome. Great graphics throughout. The videos are just getting better with each new one you release.
There is zero argument that this isn't an incredible value, but out of curiosity, how replayable are the scenarios? Is this a one shot run like a Legacy, or is it just the character leveling and "surprises" that are Legacy like?
I for one hope that other companies do have to take notice, and the days of a game releasing with a $50 or 60 price point with garbage components are numbered
It probably won't affect the rest of the boardgame industry too much. The price gets marked up by the distributor and the FLGS. You do see some games being cheaper from online retailers and that cuts into their (retailer's) profits.
I'm usually quite suspicious of mini-heavy games. But this review and all others are just so positive that I'm now utterly intrigued. Throw in my two favourite mechanisms (co-op & programming) and I am definitely looking forward to owning a copy of this!
And the production quality, wow. So glad they're selling this direct to keep the price down. I hope it's a huge success as it looks like a lot of fun. And the small items, like the timer to help alleviate some AP, is an impressive amount of thought into keeping the game play smooth and only as long as necessary. The added stress of the timer sounds like it'll be fun :-).
Only want to say that your show is simply amazing. Thanks for the work.
Someone linked this on the LoL subreddit. At first I thought this was sponsored since the production quality of the video is so high.
Great review.
This looks pretty spectacular at an awesome price tag!!!
Agreed! I find it hilarious too that the LOL players are complaining that this is way overpriced. On the other hand, I am looking at little Euros being priced at 50-70 Euros at the upcoming Spiel for just some wood bits and a pair of generic dice.
They have no finacial risk: They make a ton of money and even if M vs M fails they would not notice.
They sell the game in their shop.
They don't need any advertising.
The "high quality" stuff is mostly plastic which is very inexpensive.
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This isn't some kind of charity, they calculated a big revenue. Why would I know? I don't but I play Leauge of Legends quite some time and I know their pricing model ingame.
anybody that thinks Riot would charge 75 $ only because they care so much about their community is just jumping the hype train. They damn well know it would not sell for 150 $ or above.
Plus, although it's a solid game, its not something that will be played at a party or spontanously with some friends that are not really into board games.
Don't get me wrong, it's a nice game but it is nothing really special and definitely doesn't come at a super low price. It is moderate.
I disagree... they could have easily charge well $200 for this due to the amount of Minis in the game, the quality of the minis and the quality of the rest of the components... that alone would justify the $200 tag, just look at Kingdom Death Monster for example...
So, if they wanted, they could have made more money... I'm not saying that they are doing this for the community or out of the kindness of their hearts, no they certainly plan on getting more money in the future, they were just experimenting in this new market and wanted to make a BIG Splash and have everyone talking about this, even non boardgamers... this is excellent PR from their part, extremely well done and that's where the big profit comes for them...
A Fantastic Production game at a low price coming out of nowhere, I don't remember a game so well kept secret and getting a reveal like this... Kudos to Riot Games...
As for the quality of the gameplay itself, well what for me can be a fantastic game for you can be trash :)
Not saying that his is fantastic, it sure looks to be a very cool game with amazing production at a fantastic price... I'm sold!
This game is not so compelx that you couldn't introduce it to non-gamers. Nobody will be playing this at parties, sure, but when is the last time you played a $100 high production quality game at a party? This is not a party game, this is a whole different market segment, and comparable games like Star Wars: Rebellion, Arcadia Quest, Cthulhu Wars etc. can go cry in a corner compared to this game's price/value ratio. This would definitely sell for $150. For evidence just look at any Kickstarter project by Cool Mini Or Not.
Far from moderate by current industry value standards.
Right now it's £420 on Amazon, and ~£150 on eBay, and I'm not interested in paying either price. I guess that's a supply issue, because the MvM homepage shows it to be $75, which is actually pretty good considering what you get.
You guys eluded to the price point, but this can't be overstated. This game, from a component standpoint, is revolutionary. I'm not sure, but this seems to be a Riot Games loss leader venture. The game may be great, but this is setting the bar artificially high in the industry. I'm really conflicted on the long term impact of this game and the impact on the industry as a whole. I would really like to hear from someone like Jamey Stonemaier or owners of other companies, like CMON, who are pushing to have deluxe components, but not in retail editions. I was listening to the Miami Dice group, and Sam states, "See industry, look here at M&M, it can be done!" It can be? Really? I'm calling BS. It can't be done, or it would have been done already. Riot Games was able to produce this game because they have the resources to take a hit on this. M&M is a pure marketing ploy to draw people into their video game product. Love to hear some feedback and whether I'm way off base here.
Riot Games are only selling the game directly through their website, thus, cutting out the middle men. It's the difference between selling to a distributor at 40% of the recommended retail price, and selling to the consumer at full price. I would speculate Riot Games is in no way marketing the game as a loss leader, and will be making a profit on the project. The game would have to cost over $75 (minus sales tax) per unit to develop, produce, and ship to their distribution centre in order to incur a loss. For reference, you can expect even a component rich game to cost between 20-30% of the recommended retail price to manufacture. On this basis, they could afford to spend as much as three times the average on production and still make a tidy profit, as they receive all the proceeds of the sale.
Hope this helps. :)
I agree with the part that this game might set the industry standard too high, and also that the profit margin for this boardgame will probably be very low. However, i dont think that M&M is a pure marketing ploy. I mean, think about it: As a incredibly successfull video game company with over 100 million active players, where would you look to expand your franchise to? Which target group holds enough potential new league players that it would be worth investing into? Do you really think the answer would be boardgame fans? I mean, even if M&M becomes a smashing hit within the boardgame community, and even if it becomes so huge that the boardgame community grows by a lot, there would still not be enough potential new players for league of legends to make this effort worth it.
However, why would riot do this then? I honestly cant tell you. Maybe diversification? Being a one-trick pony can be dangerous, and riot has a lot of capital to explore new business areas. However, if diversification is their goal, then i think we will see a lot of different new things from riot, because again, boardgames are...kinda niche if you compare them to the video gaming industry. Maybe they just have huge boardgame fans at riot and the money to just do it? I have no idea what the motives behind this are, what do you think about this?
Please excuse if what i wrote makes no sense, english is not my first language.
One major detail that I learned: Tencent, one of China's largest tech
companies, owns majority stake in Riot Games. That would play a major
role in manufacturing costs. Scrap the whole loss leader idea.
I've been a Riot/League of Legends fan since pretty much the beginning, and also happen to be a board game fan as well. So following project as to why would a company like Riot make something like this. Turns out it is a major passion project from a big portion of their development team that they have been working on for ~3 years. So at a slight profit or just even breaking even they would be happy with. Looking at the quality and the cost and a huge (100 million active players) fan base, I think it will be a huge success.
Wow looks amazing!! Thanks for another great review guys
amazing video as usual :)
what a crazy production valuee
Love LoL gonna be adding this to my wishlistt
Would it be possible to paint those minion miniatures? Or is there a texture on them that would make it difficult/awkward?
Great video; Amazing coverage. Excited you're giving away a copy; I expect this to sell out in minutes.
Space Alert is a Co-Op Real Time Programming game :)
Darn it Paulo, I was going to point this out! Glad I checked to see if mentioning this "goof" was redundant.
hehehe You know I'm on top of Goofs! :p
Amazing coverage of this one guys. Im sold, definitely picking this up, looks like a really unique experience. Keep up the best coverage :)
Stellar review of a stellar looking game! I'll be doing my bit to try and order through a crashing website when it's available to do so. Also... at a stretch you could include Space Alert in that cooperative programming 'genre'. Another board gaming love of mine.
Love the new theme music guys.
It is great that you say spoiler alert AFTER doing the spoiler... thanks for ruining the surprise.
Great coverage of an awesome looking game. Would love to win the copy you are giving away as its going to be hard to get a hold of.
Great review guys! Looks like this game is going to explode once it hits the market in October.
you guys totally spoiled the secret boss box.
starting a new game, do you remove all programming?
Very excited to get my hands on this one, in part due to this awesome review. Thanks so much.
Impressive set of components!
Terrible on the spoiler alert, especially when being so careful about the rest. :-(
this is going to be remembered and change gaming.
Wish there was a mode where u fight eachother
You probably could. Here are a few ideas to try:
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Capture the flag:
Put 2 on 2 capture the flag style. Make a 2x2 tile map. Put the 4 crystal shards at the center of the map. Each mech can carry a cyrstal, but when damaged, they drop the crystal (rolling the rune die just like in the missions). You have to carry the shard back to your start square (one of the two outside corners on your side of the board).
Alter the rules so that when you hit another mech with an attack it does damage to that mech (maybe opponent mechs only).
I am not sure about ramming. I would probably try ramming another mech does NOT cause damage to opposing mechs, but does push them. Just like it does now.
Once a crystal is scored, it is out play. First side to claim 2 crystals wins.
No schematics.
Alternatively you might have it where the first team to have both crystals in place win but the crystals stay on the map corner (and thus can be stolen).
Draft like you would in co-op. Each person grabs one card at a time alternating from the start player. Rotate start player so it goes back and forth to each person each time. You need to be specific which mech you are drafting for. It has to be the current player mech first.
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Race:
Put the tiles in a 4x1 orientation. Place the 4 mechs on one side of the long map. First team to have a player that makes it to the other side first wins. (or maybe first player to have get both mechs to the other side wins).
Otherwise same as above. Draft alternates. Damage opponent mechs. Etc.
===========================
King of the hill(ish)
Create a 2x2 tile map just like the capture the flag map. In this varient instead of trying to bring the crystals back to the spawn points, you get a point for each round you have a crystal. You will get 2 points for a round where your mechs both have a crystal. Use minions to talley points. Go X rounds (maybe 16). The person with the most points wins.
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Killing dome
Create a 2x2 tile map. Place minions on all rune spots. Roll for starting player. In reverse player order, place a mech on one of the maps 4 corners. Play like you normally would on a mission except mechs can damage opposing mechs (or maybe not). Keep track of kills for each player. The person with the most minion kills after X rounds wins (maybe 16)
The minion phase is one that is probably going to take some play testing to get right. Since I am just talking out of my mouth with no testing, these might not work so well.
Idea 1) At the end of a round, roll the rune die. All minions move in that direction, Spawn minions on that rune color. Minions do damage like normal.
Idea 2) At the end of the round, move the minions towards the closes mech. spawn minions on all spawn spots.
What I wouldn't suggest is to add a way to use schematics. The Hex Minefield from Ziggs is going to be too powerful. You can't have a level where the minions spawn on a specific rune color and have that ability in play. It will be OP.
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I am sure there are other ways to make this competitive as well. These are just the first few that came to my mind.
This game looks amazing, I will be ordering this on the first day I can. Thanks for another great review.
GameTrayz awesome quality....Apple Quality...Supper well done. Congrats
Pretty nice review and game!
I am actually so hyped for that like all true fans(like me playing from season 2 :p)
The bad thing is that i cant afford it right now but hopefully i will buy it in the future :).
Cannot wait for this - hoping to be able to get this in my country! Please Riot!
This game looks mighty fun. As a LoL player, I'm super excited to bring it to tabletop!
never played programming game before...this looks interesting!
Are the Mechs different or unique in any way?
did I hear this is only $75. that's a bargain.
room 25 is also a cooperative programming game ;)
Also Space Alert from CGE or newly London Dread from Greyfox Games. ;-)
The size and quality of that that hourglass! What on earth??
First glance.. not my kind of game. After this... take all of my money now.
SPOILERSSS!!! STAY AWAY FROM VIDEO!!!
Damnnn I got here too late to enter the contest :(
Really want this game. Looks awesome especially as a LoL player. The production value is very high
This game looks amazing! Thanks for the review. One question I had was how would you describe the replayability?
little bit late but... no two games are same, you may play towards same goal in mission, but the journey is always different
4 different minions , :) looks familiar , a caster and a melee for protectors and mage lords
another cooperative programming game: space alert :) i recommend that one!
the civilization board game has diverse tiles as well -awesome video :D
You keep saying you have never seen a cooperative programming game. You should definitely try Space Alert!
Not my kind of game, but it looks great. Thanks for the review guys
Would love to have a copy of that!
Really good review as usual guys
I can't wait to get my hands on this!
Such a rollercoaster emotionally... Yay, Yordles! Gah, no Veigar?!? Yay, nice components! Bummer, co-op... Yay, campaign! Shoot, Legacy elements with limited replayability!? Yay, programming! Oh, very limited options for the programming. Yay, value! Oh, still a hefty investment... Well, might go for it for the minion figs alone... have to think about it.
It sounds like the only legacy part is that you get to use different things with different campaigns. It doesn't sound like there is any destruction of components. I've heard there's a lot of replayability since there are challenge modes and such. You can go back and play old scenarios by taking new stuff out.
Thanks for the review!
So what do you do if you beat the game?
You play a new round?
This has an old school Drakenstrike review written all over it. Retro video Jeremy????
Very well done. Would like to hear which 3 gencon games you guys enjoy the most. The preview needs a wrap-up. 3 is best because most gamers are not buying more and you can't be too excited for more.
Terraforming Mars? I bet Jeremy will have big "told you so" smile on his face after reading that. I am shocked that Stronghold can produce a good game. We are very interested in your first two choices.
Man...they sure made you all keep shush about this one. I read somewhere that it was around 3 years in developing and not a single leaked photo or something. Sure looks awesome and as a LoL player must have for me. Great job on review as always. Keep up the awesome work you do.
There was a leak when one of the sites released their article early! NDAs are serious business and are generally not worth breaking if you want to maintain a relationship with the company and your money.
You could tell reviewers were hyped about this game with how often they'd hint at an upcoming review that they couldn't talk about. Glad the hype seems warranted at this point.
Yeah. Game sure looks interesting enough. A production quality looks amazing. Too bad I'm at Essen Spiel on release date and I believe game will sold out in minutes.
It sounds like there are 30k in the initial print run with another 30k on order. I think they're going to do their best to get copies into the hands of people interested.
I'll be interested in how many people that don't traditionally play boardgames will pick this up thanks to the LoL branding.
but riot said the game will not be at essen this year thou
That is too bad since I'm going there this year...
the gods of gaming have answered our pleas!!
Excellent video
Why is the only Yordle with his own mech not involved? XD
He is. He's the Mech school's headmaster :)
Well, Corki kinda has his own mech with his Roflcopter, and Heimer has his turrets
Ziggs has his hexplosives, they count as mechs right?
Can this be played single player?
I don't see why you wouldn't be able to play single player and use multiple characters. You may have to give yourself more time in the draft stage.
Thanks.
Well I live in Cambodia, none of my friends are into this kind of thing so it's solo or not at all. I'll give it a go, thanks again.
wtf why did you show what was in the box ?????, my god you just ruined the surprise for everyone, including myself wow
Spectacuar game!
nice review, subbed!
Wtf is with tristanas gun?
Cooperative, programmable? SPACE ALERT from Vlaada Chvatil.
Can't Wait!
Welp now i know whats in the box...
I can take that challenge and say: "meh."
Batman is first :O
To many spoiller cool i have the game you should of said spoiler alert before the video start
Darn it even cards gettin triggered these days
Nice Review.
Must have!!
Subscribed
Thanks for ruining the surprises. Got to drop you guys out of anger now. For your remaining viewers.. I hope you don't do a review of pandemic legacy. I was almost a fan, but you guys lost me in the first video I watched of you guys. I'm irritated.
Well, Descent, doom, legends, etc all have way more figure seither Way More Detail etc.This show Sounds bought by riot. The mechanics are not Bad - but nothing i Would pay 100$ for. Creativity: 0 points. I made games like this in 4th grade... No joking