You got to love the camaraderie. Ref says, “you gotta be holding a grip to go down,” so Tonon extends his hand for Joao to grab and go down legally. Respect for these guys!
@@mvlcmlgmclmgkcmlfm man your life must be great right now. Taking the time to comment on a TH-cam vid of a sport you don’t respect, I wish i had the time for that
A little weird but they couldn't agree on where the position ended and the ref understandably probably didn't know as much back then. This match is over 5 years old now and the knowledge on legs was lower. Garry had a 50/50 heel hook when the reset happened but kept wanting to reset in cross ashi. Miyao kept wanting to rest in 50/50. I don't know if Garry forgot that he had 50/50 or if he purposely was hoping for a cross ashi restart even though that's not what he had when they reset occurred. Great match regardless.
As the referee, I'd like to explain how it was not my lack of understanding that . The FIVE Grappling ruleset for the Super League event requires that action that exits the mat border will be stopped, and that submission positions would NOT be recreated, and would instead be restarted standing in the middle. I can't remember exactly, but either that match or the whole event I agreed to an exception that sub attempts that go out of bounds WOULD BE recreated. But, while I recognized Garry's 50/50 inside heelhook position, he was reluctant to recreate it and appeared to be playing dumb. In addition, I don't think Miyao speaks English so he couldn't articulate easily why he was disagreeing with the setup, and somebody coaching Garry was very vocal about how he should position , so it was chaotic. Without the ability to recreate the position fairly for both competitors, I indicated they should stand up. At that instant, Gary decides to finally move to the 50/50 position I had already suggested, but I had already made the decision to stand them up, so I ignored his attempt after the fact and stood them neutral.
If you remember palhares vs David avallan in adcc restarting heelhook positions seems extremely advantageous to the heelhook attacker as the defender relies on dynamic movement started a second or two ahead of attack to bring slack .. basically Starting static will get the defenders leg broken pretty fast. The defender has to move first if both at same time it’s easy leg brake even if your Mr no tap . I think your right to be hesitant to put any athletes in such a position
you can tell Miyao ended up walking funny once the match ended... but he was hopping nonstop before it began. mad skills from both but Gary stayed way busier.
Michael James i completely disagree because jake shields was almost pounded out cold by ray cooper after he was dropped flat on his face throwing a low kick whilst leaving him self wide open for that left hook counter... So i dont think jake shields would be considered as a “real word” Striking expert/monster Btw you might want to stop trying to make it seem like grappling isn’t a legitimate combat sport that is very effective for mma and or for self defense before you have tried it yourself
Gary sitting back for the leg as a false attack when he knew the Kimura was stronger and switching to it instead of finalising the leg attack was absolute genius....
Man, anyone else would've tapped on those heel hooks; they were deep and I'm quite sure Joao tore some ligaments there. I wonder if it wouldn't be better to hunt for other submissions against the Miyao brothers, since leg lock attempts don't work. Heck, if Tonon can't leg lock 'em, no one can.
@@agent_pena6955 He revealed on instagram that nothing happened, he says he left the fight and went to give a private lesson, and fought another camp next week. i think his knee is rubber!
The average casual saying they don't like the Miyao game wouldn't last 10 fucking seconds with either of the brothers. A majority of black belts wouldn't last 5 minutes with these guys.
For now until we will figure out different things it's just the guard is a very powerful thing and the legs are right there, you are pretty much offering them when you lie on your back just give it time, Jiu-Jitsu always changes
15:11 It's clear, even without going slow mo that Miao stud up before Tonnon, yet the judges scored for Tonnon. Commentators said: "if there is a double guard pull, and you come up, you get 2 points, and Garry T. did that and got 2 points" Can someone explain why they scored for Tonnon there ?
hes a warriror, sometimes i feel bad for him all he has is bjj. he live this all the way. But gotta respect his passion, play compete for bjj not for winnings. That's rare!
If you look, Miyao wobbles around keeping weight off of his knee when he gets up from a couple of them. They did some damage, he just played it off as best he could
If that's the case, i think it's too much... In my opinion some of these dangerous submissions should be illegal, or i don't know...i might be too drastic here, but i feel that some of those ankle locks could end a fighter's carrier, and this should be allways avoided as much as possible
It's true, it's not good for the sport, but there are already some banned moves in bjj, and i think that the question is : should we protect more the integrity of the sport or the athlete's health? I probably would choose the second option but it's a difficult topic since i understand your argument and i agree with that too. Let's hope that in the future medicine will be able to heal fighters from injuries faster and better, that's probably the best solution to this problem
I don't know of any banned moves at this level other than none grappling moves like eye gouging, punches, etc. and there really shouldn't be. These guys are far from beginners. This is a superfight among multi time champions. If an athlete is too prideful and willing to risk their career and health over loss, especially at this level, then yeah, it's on them, not the sport or community. They made a conscious decision to do something we all know their coaches and teachers told them over and over not to ever do. I look at Judo when I hear your suggestions. Judo, as a sport, and as a fighting art, has greatly been diminished by banning perceived dangerous moves, many of which are used in mma and bjj tournaments all the time without incident. Judo has gone so far as to say you can't even touch your opponents legs anymore during a takedown. No single legs, no double legs, not even a hand touching during any throw or it's a disqualification. It's absurd. What's the point anymore if everything is going to be removed and no one is ever going to be prepared to do or defend against real techniques?
dude both of them are mosters ! Garry has one of the best leglock games I ve seen and joao is like he cn take back from everywhere ...if only he was stronger...
Garry won fair and square but am I the only one who noticed dat he never scored any real points. He scored by sitting down and getting up. His other score was off a dum misunderstanding of the rules. While joal scored by passing his gaurd. Garry had more submission attempts but he only attempted leg locks. The leg lock game was looked down unpawn bc ppl would go for them only when they couldn't get past thier opponents gaurd. They are also the easiest submission to obtain bc u dnt hath to get to a dominated position or play gaurd to get it. So Garry won but I think under most rule sets , even ebi joal would beat him
Even though that is true in regards to the origin of leg locks, the failure of the basic hierarchy of obtaining position, they are still brutal and dangerous submissions regardless. They do require skill to obtain the position, they require skill to execute the submission, and the inversely require skill to escape the position especially in these high-level matches. Of course one could argue that some bloke could just crank with brutality on a leg lock without the utilization of skill and still execute the submission, however, this is applicable on most any joint lock submission. If I lock an Americana, per se, give no time for my partner/opponent to tap, and break his elbow and/or shoulder, that's under a similar principle (of course it's arguable that in order to be able to effectively lock and Americana then I must develop some position, however, this isn't inherently true as I can always sit back, left my opponent close the distance and execute a kimura or Americana and end it there with no true development/establishment of position occuring). I do agree though, this match may have turned out differently under a separate rule set but who's to say.
He tried to pass guard at times it's just that miyao is really good with his flexabillity and guard retention, when he brought his legs in he pretty much presented his legs for leg locks but he was really good at escaping so it was just this back and forth
Só uma coisa! Os gringos estão transformando o jiu/ no gi em uma chatice de ver! Treino Jiu e subi dês de que intendo por gente e nunca vi tanta frescura! Parabéns pelo estilo dos irmão
Yea, his RNC and guillotines are top notch. Was his bread and butter before DDS when he was at Ocean County with Almeida and DeBlass. Saw a bit of kimura trap game in this fight, no back opportunities tho.
commentators regarding the double guard pull rule and who gets points by standing up first.....i wonder what is so surprising about that with regards to Gary Tonon?? Its same rules in IBJJF right?? LOL
vou fazer uma pergunta sem maldade, curiosidade mesmo, já percebi em vários videos que os miyao são meio avoados ruins de entrevistas e meio desligados, é o jeitão deles mesmo ou eles tem tipo algum autismo sei la, igual o messi etc.. kkkkk
Can someone explain to my uneducated ass- why do people just sit down in these kinda BJJ/Grappling events? Like, is there more tactical advantage? Is there just more defensive positions there? More submission openings?
The miyao brothers use berimbolo to get to their submission. He wraps the opponents leg while sitting down to advance to his next position. most people would get twisted into a pretzel pretty quick. But gary is obviously very good. Avoided miyaos guard game
You got to love the camaraderie. Ref says, “you gotta be holding a grip to go down,” so Tonon extends his hand for Joao to grab and go down legally. Respect for these guys!
Heck yeah, Tonon’s a true warrior. He wants to beat you at your best game, not game the rules to get a win on paper.
Kevin H. “True Warrior” 👍🏼
Instablaster...
Match starts, Miyao sits down, ref stands him up, he sits down again. Lol.
Stupidest sport i ever seen
@@mvlcmlgmclmgkcmlfm man your life must be great right now. Taking the time to comment on a TH-cam vid of a sport you don’t respect, I wish i had the time for that
@@mvlcmlgmclmgkcmlfm this match isn’t representative of typical BJJ at all
You gotta have a grip on your opponent to sit down.
@@JiuJitsuTrashcan it actually is
This Miyao guy looks like he hasn't sleep in days.
he drills at night
He has intestinal worms that keep him up at night and make him butt scoot.
Xp waste
@@bak794 underrated comment
Submitting Joao is like trying to submit a soggy noodle
Seriously! When the announcers were saying that Gary was getting frustrated I believe it! Lol
That is why you gotta strangle him. Really only way. He won't tap to joint locks.
But he isnt much of a threat either, gary wasnt in danger at all, he just lost his grip like a bar of soap.
Miyao vs Khabib?
@@joshuamorales1095 the Miyao Brothers are backtaking cyborgs that feel no pain..
3:36 “regular teenager fan” Mickey Musumeci in the background
I've watched this match like 10 times love it
Cant believe the ref just stood them up after Gary got a locked in heelhook. WTF
A little weird but they couldn't agree on where the position ended and the ref understandably probably didn't know as much back then. This match is over 5 years old now and the knowledge on legs was lower. Garry had a 50/50 heel hook when the reset happened but kept wanting to reset in cross ashi. Miyao kept wanting to rest in 50/50. I don't know if Garry forgot that he had 50/50 or if he purposely was hoping for a cross ashi restart even though that's not what he had when they reset occurred. Great match regardless.
As the referee, I'd like to explain how it was not my lack of understanding that . The FIVE Grappling ruleset for the Super League event requires that action that exits the mat border will be stopped, and that submission positions would NOT be recreated, and would instead be restarted standing in the middle. I can't remember exactly, but either that match or the whole event I agreed to an exception that sub attempts that go out of bounds WOULD BE recreated. But, while I recognized Garry's 50/50 inside heelhook position, he was reluctant to recreate it and appeared to be playing dumb. In addition, I don't think Miyao speaks English so he couldn't articulate easily why he was disagreeing with the setup, and somebody coaching Garry was very vocal about how he should position , so it was chaotic. Without the ability to recreate the position fairly for both competitors, I indicated they should stand up. At that instant, Gary decides to finally move to the 50/50 position I had already suggested, but I had already made the decision to stand them up, so I ignored his attempt after the fact and stood them neutral.
@@thegrapplingreferee34 someone will always be mad at the ref. Great job nonetheless
If you remember palhares vs David avallan in adcc restarting heelhook positions seems extremely advantageous to the heelhook attacker as the defender relies on dynamic movement started a second or two ahead of attack to bring slack .. basically Starting static will get the defenders leg broken pretty fast. The defender has to move first if both at same time it’s easy leg brake even if your Mr no tap . I think your right to be hesitant to put any athletes in such a position
you can tell Miyao ended up walking funny once the match ended... but he was hopping nonstop before it began. mad skills from both but Gary stayed way busier.
a room full of monsters
I was saying the same thing lol.
meh... better than most.
grappling monsters but not fighting monsters like a jake shields or lovato jr. big difference in the real world
Michael James i completely disagree because jake shields was almost pounded out cold by ray cooper after he was dropped flat on his face throwing a low kick whilst leaving him self wide open for that left hook counter... So i dont think jake shields would be considered as a “real word”
Striking expert/monster
Btw you might want to stop trying to make it seem like grappling isn’t a legitimate combat sport that is very effective for mma and or for self defense before you have tried it yourself
My feet and ankles and knees hurt just watching.
Gary sitting back for the leg as a false attack when he knew the Kimura was stronger and switching to it instead of finalising the leg attack was absolute genius....
agreed. good trap.
Thanks for showing the promotions!
I like how he just let him hold his hand for a second so he can sit guard
The berimbolo to the back was 😍
Man, anyone else would've tapped on those heel hooks; they were deep and I'm quite sure Joao tore some ligaments there. I wonder if it wouldn't be better to hunt for other submissions against the Miyao brothers, since leg lock attempts don't work. Heck, if Tonon can't leg lock 'em, no one can.
Yeah do something else against meao
I know right!?. Im thinking hes got the heel hook perfect whats goin on lol. Some peoples knees r not neant to break i guess
@@Hosedinho lmao they just dont care when it breaks, garry certainly tore his knees apart
@@agent_pena6955 He revealed on instagram that nothing happened, he says he left the fight and went to give a private lesson, and fought another camp next week. i think his knee is rubber!
The Miyao brothers have such a special style, it's great to watch, but they always look like bambi's on ice as soon as they stand up.
I heard they sont tap to leg locks
They practiced Judo before BJJ.
I've seen Paulo doing a Seoi Nage.
Man, how could Miyao endure those leglocks?
why do you think he sits down
Lmao Murilo's reaction @ 15:16
such an amazing high level of JJ
This is a great match. Exciting and aggressive grapplers!
Danaher at 4:43... damn, this guy is like the Darth Vader of the sport.
The average casual saying they don't like the Miyao game wouldn't last 10 fucking seconds with either of the brothers. A majority of black belts wouldn't last 5 minutes with these guys.
couple o' ears on these fellas
thanks
The Miyao are icons of jiu-jitsu, but they never stabilize 3 Seconds to get the points.
Because they can't stabilize for 3 seconds to get the points.
All no gi BJJ matches nowadays is just a non-stop leg lock attempts parade...
vadimyakus right? Why would they ignore the other 50% of human body?
Frank mir vs brock lesnar
Not really
All gi BJJ matches nowadays is just a non-stop no submission parade...
For now until we will figure out different things it's just the guard is a very powerful thing and the legs are right there, you are pretty much offering them when you lie on your back just give it time, Jiu-Jitsu always changes
6:25 I BET YA 5 BUCKS JOAO PULLS GUAR ok there he did it... hehehe
Start of video looks like those interrogations of cartel members by mexican police :D
Hahaha underrated comment
you can be a complete novice or not know shit about ju jitsu and still appreciate the complexity and art of this form of martial arts
15:11
It's clear, even without going slow mo that Miao stud up before Tonnon, yet the judges scored for Tonnon.
Commentators said: "if there is a double guard pull, and you come up, you get 2 points, and Garry T. did that and got 2 points"
Can someone explain why they scored for Tonnon there ?
cause you have to get up and stay up, which is what garry did the second time
Fumo um antes da entrevista
How many people did Tonon disable practicing all of those leg submissions?
12:50... wtf.. anyone else notice that?
??
congratulations Garry, awesome match
what a match!
fighting the Miyao brothers looks like someone trying to change a disobedient toddlers nappy!
Sou um granda fã do garry, mas o João é atelento natural de mais. . .
Miyao brothers are fucking insects. The back attacks, the hand control, the leg control.. like a preying mantis!
that FRONT ROW THO
The Miyao's are Legends. No matter what anyones says...
I love the meow brothers
😹
the culiflower w these two 🙈
Show sou muito fã João OSS
How does he not tap to those heel hooks. My god my eyes are watering. I wouldn’t walk again after that.
hes a warriror, sometimes i feel bad for him all he has is bjj. he live this all the way. But gotta respect his passion, play compete for bjj not for winnings. That's rare!
The people in the audience are WILD Andre Clark Gracie Mikey stars
I dont really understand how they determine who got the two points off the double guard pull. They both sat down and they both stood up.
conner hartman Gary stood up first.
Ohhh the double leg spreag!
Miyao brothers are the legends.
These commentators need to suck miyao up already
this was basically a super fight...and got one row of audience lol
that's such a good idea (Y)
How can they resist those leg locks attempts? it seems like their knee\foot\ankle is going to break, how can they not get injured?
If you look, Miyao wobbles around keeping weight off of his knee when he gets up from a couple of them. They did some damage, he just played it off as best he could
If that's the case, i think it's too much... In my opinion some of these dangerous submissions should be illegal, or i don't know...i might be too drastic here, but i feel that some of those ankle locks could end a fighter's carrier, and this should be allways avoided as much as possible
kalenz100 Its up to the fighter to know their limits. Banning moves just hurts the sport and the art.
It's true, it's not good for the sport, but there are already some banned moves in bjj, and i think that the question is : should we protect more the integrity of the sport or the athlete's health? I probably would choose the second option but it's a difficult topic since i understand your argument and i agree with that too. Let's hope that in the future medicine will be able to heal fighters from injuries faster and better, that's probably the best solution to this problem
I don't know of any banned moves at this level other than none grappling moves like eye gouging, punches, etc. and there really shouldn't be. These guys are far from beginners. This is a superfight among multi time champions.
If an athlete is too prideful and willing to risk their career and health over loss, especially at this level, then yeah, it's on them, not the sport or community. They made a conscious decision to do something we all know their coaches and teachers told them over and over not to ever do.
I look at Judo when I hear your suggestions. Judo, as a sport, and as a fighting art, has greatly been diminished by banning perceived dangerous moves, many of which are used in mma and bjj tournaments all the time without incident. Judo has gone so far as to say you can't even touch your opponents legs anymore during a takedown. No single legs, no double legs, not even a hand touching during any throw or it's a disqualification. It's absurd. What's the point anymore if everything is going to be removed and no one is ever going to be prepared to do or defend against real techniques?
“Meeeeeeeow”
-Cat
it's like the human pretzel
GO BRASIL!
Luta linda muita técnica juntas
dude both of them are mosters ! Garry has one of the best leglock games I ve seen and joao is like he cn take back from everywhere ...if only he was stronger...
Garry won fair and square but am I the only one who noticed dat he never scored any real points. He scored by sitting down and getting up. His other score was off a dum misunderstanding of the rules. While joal scored by passing his gaurd. Garry had more submission attempts but he only attempted leg locks. The leg lock game was looked down unpawn bc ppl would go for them only when they couldn't get past thier opponents gaurd. They are also the easiest submission to obtain bc u dnt hath to get to a dominated position or play gaurd to get it. So Garry won but I think under most rule sets , even ebi joal would beat him
Even though that is true in regards to the origin of leg locks, the failure of the basic hierarchy of obtaining position, they are still brutal and dangerous submissions regardless. They do require skill to obtain the position, they require skill to execute the submission, and the inversely require skill to escape the position especially in these high-level matches. Of course one could argue that some bloke could just crank with brutality on a leg lock without the utilization of skill and still execute the submission, however, this is applicable on most any joint lock submission. If I lock an Americana, per se, give no time for my partner/opponent to tap, and break his elbow and/or shoulder, that's under a similar principle (of course it's arguable that in order to be able to effectively lock and Americana then I must develop some position, however, this isn't inherently true as I can always sit back, left my opponent close the distance and execute a kimura or Americana and end it there with no true development/establishment of position occuring). I do agree though, this match may have turned out differently under a separate rule set but who's to say.
He tried to pass guard at times it's just that miyao is really good with his flexabillity and guard retention, when he brought his legs in he pretty much presented his legs for leg locks but he was really good at escaping so it was just this back and forth
@7:09 Ow.
Those legslocks are nasty!!
I hope they will allow soccer kicks .
Man miyao is so awesome
knee damage was done to joao.. i can see it by the way he walks right after the match...
Thats why he is doing laps
19:58 "Like a hawk on a gazelle" 😂😂
"No gi, no excuses"
Who is that commentator, smh.
João tem as pernas d borracha
Luta muito
Oss
john danaher chilling in the background
my god this guy is baked
match starts at 2:09
Não tenho certeza de que esse cara canho
Was I the only one who was a bit sad when they asked what Miyao had in his life other than BJJ and he replied.... "Nothing"?
12:49 Someone tell Clark to get off the dang phone! There's a fight!
mother fucking leg lock galore 😵
Glad i had headgear as a kid. If I only had a nose guard.
Do you guys see Mikey M. in the background, watching?
22:24
João Miyao amassou o cara. Q roubo foi esse em 👊😡
Vagner sousa tambem concordo !!!
why would they give the guy decked out in blue gear a red anklet hahahahah
Só uma coisa! Os gringos estão transformando o jiu/ no gi em uma chatice de ver! Treino Jiu e subi dês de que intendo por gente e nunca vi tanta frescura! Parabéns pelo estilo dos irmão
Damn that was beautiful.
Joao Miyao is so funny.
2 points because he got up in a double guard pull. I call it bullshit
Augusto M. C. L. “This is number one bullshit “
Augusto M. C. L. And myiao didn't get points for taking his back. Some bs.
does garry tonon do anything other than leg locks
Yea, his RNC and guillotines are top notch. Was his bread and butter before DDS when he was at Ocean County with Almeida and DeBlass. Saw a bit of kimura trap game in this fight, no back opportunities tho.
That fluid nasty... I'm a wrestler studying the bjj art
I find miyaos appearance troubling
He seemed so bored ^^
That's how the brothers are. They are not bored. They are just calm and collected.
he looks bored and completely deprived from any sunlight
They have aspergers syndrome.
Marcus Berntsson you think so?
I don't like how miyao just keeps sitting like c'mon are you so helpless without that position. Sit try to take back and repeat
What if he just ran away the entire time since the other just likes to sit down
commentators regarding the double guard pull rule and who gets points by standing up first.....i wonder what is so surprising about that with regards to Gary Tonon?? Its same rules in IBJJF right?? LOL
SL no. You don't get points for coming up in a double guard pull in IBJJF. You get an advantage.
Starts at 2:25
19:56 Echo Charles has a twin??
LMAO
Heel hook heel hook........
Miyao gets locked up, rolls out...
Miyao talks like he's on smack...
milkbunnies what is smack?
heroin
surfer
Royce was right this is a tag game for points some of this shit would never work on a street fight.
This type of bjj doesn’t happen in a street fight.
Yeah because this is sport jiu jitsu. Go watch mma
Acho que eles nunca viram os vídeos do Tiquinho finalizando na chave de pé e pernas.... 😎
vou fazer uma pergunta sem maldade, curiosidade mesmo, já percebi em vários videos que os miyao são meio avoados ruins de entrevistas e meio desligados, é o jeitão deles mesmo ou eles tem tipo algum autismo sei la, igual o messi etc.. kkkkk
Can someone explain to my uneducated ass- why do people just sit down in these kinda BJJ/Grappling events? Like, is there more tactical advantage? Is there just more defensive positions there? More submission openings?
The miyao brothers use berimbolo to get to their submission. He wraps the opponents leg while sitting down to advance to his next position. most people would get twisted into a pretzel pretty quick. But gary is obviously very good. Avoided miyaos guard game
@Freedom cobra, i doubt youve ever trained a day in your life. 😂 dont be ignorant
What is gary wearing on his ankle
it's a band colored for the judges to use for scoring
Lev Venguerov it's a gay pride ankle warmer that all jujitsu people wear during foot fetish fights
Aids.
Miyao would get FUCKED up in a street fight. The same can't be said about majority of jiu jitsu practitioners.