Off Road Suspension. BILSTEIN REVIEW!
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- In this video we will discuss the one year review of the Bilstein 6112's and 5160's installed on a 2015 Toyota Tundra.
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GREAT review! I like guys like you who dont buy the cheapest but also dont convince people they need the most expensive products.
Thank you for posting this vid. I think it has helped me in deciding what shocks to go with when I do.
I just put 6112 on my truck and can't thank you enough for this honest video. They're exactly how you described. I haven't gotten them off road yet but the freeway and street is better than stock. Anyone considering leveling please don't put a spacer like I did. I got the look but the ride sucked. Oh I'm a Ram 4x4 owner but we're all off-roaders at heart. Keep up the great videos. Thanks again
Hey Suicidal Switch, thanks for the comment. I'm glad you found the video helpful as that is the goal of this channel. Keep me posted on how you like them off road as well.
Thank you so much for posting this. I've been looking for a review of the 6112 and 5160 combo by an owner / user. This is very helpful because I'm planning on putting the same shocks on my FJ Cruiser, which is a daily driver and a weekend off road getaway car.
Hello Kiddomike, Thanks for watching and I'm glad this video helped you out. You won't be disappointed in this purchase.
Thank u sir !! I’ve been looking around I got a 2008 F150 FX 4 f with the leveling kit on it . Original Old shocks front and back are given out I think I will go whit this System
Very well presented and articulated!
Gonna pull the trigger.
I used this set up . I really like it . I got 5.5” total lift . Going on 3 months it works great . I have a 2014 tundra reg cab long bed V6 4.0 . The ride on it is just too smooth . It’s my Daly driver . I’m on stock tires , I’m thinking of upgrading to 35s 12.5/17 with MR 312s 17x8.5 . I highly recommend the 6112s👍👍🇺🇸
Just had mine installed! Wow! Can't beat them!
Great video, thanks for the info.
just installed the 5160s and 6112s with the boss shims and 1.5 inch shackles on the rear. 1/2 of rake in the back. love it
Ryan Bailey ,can you please help me out. I do want to install this system to my 2017 tundra, but I don’t want to level the truck. Are the shackles used for that purpose?
@@Altugeu If you want to keep your factory rake then yes, The rear shackles will bump the rear up to keep factory back end lift
Chris Trochesset thank you. I ended up installing the toytec shackles. I absolutely love it.
The only thing I would suggest is adding the SPC upper control arms. Makes it soo much nicer and gives your coil better clearance plus improved ride. They are fully adjustable and don't break the bank.
Hey thanks for the video!
I think this settles it for me. I was going to do an icon stage 4, but then I had to realistically figure out if I wanted to spend $6,000 on a suspension when I’m 95% road between states with some light towing and the occasional 26’ camper like you...
Great review.
I’be got a 16 Tundra Crewmax 4x4 with Tundra Rock Warrior wheels and 285/75 r17 BFG KO2’s (which are the best tires I’ve ever owned)
Hey Danan, thanks for the comment. I'm glad you were able to find this video helpful. I have heard nothing but awesome reviews about the KO2's. I think I will rock them on the next go round so I can compare the two. Thanks again for watching.
Thanks for the review. I was hoping to get the 6112s for my 2016 Tundra, but they're back-ordered and will be for at least another month. I can't get the 5160s because I am going to lift the rear 2". Otherwise, I'd be all over this combo.
excellent review !
I'm running the same system on my 16 tacoma. Mine is set at 2" front w/ 1" block in the rear. Awesome performance with absolutely no complaints.
why that setup over the 5100? what other parts did you get beside the shocks?
6112’s are beefier shocks and they come with tuned coils. The 6112’s and the 5160’s in the rear, both have more volume for better cooling and less fade. Other than the shocks I installed 1” blocks w/new u bolts, new brake lines (not a necessity), and 265/75 r16 Toyo AT2 tires.
Do you do a lot of off roading? Or overlanding? How do they handle with crawling over rocks?
I have a 2007 Tundra. I am also rock’n Bilstein 6112 / 5150 I’ve had my set up for 2 years plus. All the great points you made I agree with. I will add that it is a firm ride as a daily commuter but it is a truck so it don’t dive like a car. Also if you want to complete this set up you need Raceline UCA $400. Also go to Coachbuilder a.k.a David Ekstrom Design. Recommend the 2 inch shackle and his steering rods. I followed his recommendations on how to tie this system together and it is absolutely awesome! He’s a great guy and will advise you free of charge.
What size wheels and tires your running?
@@mattpascualjr.2710 Wheels: 18x9 XD778 Blk +35 - Tires: 285-70/18 - Nitto Ridge Grappler
Thank you for doing the review. I am currently looking into the same setup for a new to me F150. I've ran the 5100's in two of my past trucks and love the Bilstein product.
Side note, the camera was a bit shaky but overall, good video.
Great video and set up! I have a 2018 crew max TRD Off Road and I'm looking into leveling it out. Will this set up work with my 2018 tundra? What other upgrades do I need to prevent premature wear and tear on my suspension components such as UCA's, ball joints etc. Diff drop a must if 4×4? Thanks in advance for you response.
Great Video!!!! I have a 2018 1794 with the same lift and 33 K02 and I agree with everything you said.
+aaron bulkley thanks man! I’m glad your enjoying these as much as I do. Thanks for watching.
Just bought the kit for just under $1000. Have tacoma probably going with ko2 265/75/r16. Has 40000 miles time for a change. I'm going to upgrade upper control and put an add a leaf for rear.
I had a ram 1500 and I regretted leveling it with the 5100s. They improved the highway handling, but on rough Pennsylvania backroads they were straight up harsh riding, every little bump and crack in the road was felt throughout the whole truck, just picked up a 19' trd offroad tundra, hesitant about the 6112s but want to level it
Good review, I've been thinking about buying some of these and posting the install on my channel. 🤙
Thanks for watching. For sure, it would be great to see the install filmed. Sub'd
I have a stock 2020 tundra 1794 I’m trying to upgrade I’ve been looking for a good set up for a few months I like the look and stance of your rig probably going to give it a try . What size wheels are you rocking for those 33’s the 1794 comes with 20” wheels which look like crud with off road tires on it so I’m sure I’ll have to dig a bit deeper into the pockets and spring for new rims and tires as well . As you can guess this is my first run at customizing a pick up .
Thanks for the video appreciate the feedback
Thanks for showing this video With the same set up I've been hearing a lot of people using the 6112 and 5100 in the back. See I just bought my truck about a year ago used is 2014 TRD off road limited with a 100000 miles but it came with a levelling kit I think it was this not even sure but a 2.5 to 1" inch in the back. I feel this truck rides rough With the stock suspension I wanna pull levelling kit out and use the 6112 to raise it up to that same height would you think that would be a better set up?
Great review
07 tundra with 6112 and 5100 and a shackle. Nice setup for price and adds great appearance and function.
immediate response appreciated...do i need shackle at all with the two suspensions??? im looking to do mine very soon
After much research, I think I'm going with this setup for my 2020 DCLB Tacoma. I'm getting a 1300 pound popup camper for it eventually, so I need a suspension that will perform well both on and off road at max payload. Considering that usage, I'll probably upgrade to HD leafs and add anti-sway bars as well and maybe even rear airbags. This will be a heavy ass rig by the time I'm done and I don't want to compromise anything on ride and capability. It needs to be comfortable on road, reasonably capable off-road and stable.
Anyone have suggestions for leafs, stabilizer bars, airbags, etc for 3rg gen Tacoma? Thanks.
Seizure warning!!!! thanks for the info, this helped me with the direction to look.
Take medication.
This, coupled with reviews from Shock Surplus TH-cam videos, has me leaning toward this combo for my GX470. Fox and Kings would be great, but for what I'll use my vehicle for, expensive overkill.
So I have the 5160s on my 2015 Tundra Pro. The rear passenger has blown up already and warranty would not cover them due it being 1000 miles over(37000). Bilstein will not work with me because they say it's not a regular Bilstein and it's a Toyota Proprietary design. Not paying $675 for one replacement shock! These are supposed to be rebuildable and only found one place in Sonoma, CA that rebuilds them
did you have to do any trimming to fit the 33" or did the front springs give enough lift with no rubbing?
This was a very good video. Pretty much what I have been looking into doing one day. As of when you uploaded video, any upgrades since then? And what do you think of them now?
+Chriz Sea. Thanks for watching. Yes, we’ve included a lot more to the truck. We’re still not finished, but videos and reviews are on our channel. Thanks for the comment.
Tundra4x4. Club yeah I noticed from watching your other videos. Sorry. I didn't know you had more. Just stumbled upon this one. Keep up the great videos. Very informative!
Thinking about this set up for a 2007 Tundra. Did you get new Upper Control Arms for this set up?
How would you compare these to the fox 2.0 performance IFP shocks in terms of price & ride quality? I drive a 14' Tacoma & was thinking of doing a 2" level front & rear but still deciding on which kit to buy ppl told me that fox's r nice but tend to leak after a time & just paying for the name so they told me about the bilsteins having better quality.
Great review...only thing i would change would be to not suggest a 1" block in the rear...a shackle upgrade is a better rear lift solution.
+Brad K 💯 agree with you Brad. Thanks for the comment as I appreciate all feedback.
I have a 2017 Tundra TRD Off road rolling the 5160/6112 and have to say I love them. It doesn't do so well in the cornering dept. on road - WALLOWS LIKE A MIATA - but thats not what the truck is about. I Live on a mountain in the woods and need 4 wheel drive for the 2 mile dirt road up the mountain so I get daily off road use of them.
Great video thank you. But please never run blocks even in the rear, especially up front. Most modern lift kits consists of blocks however their horrible on your suspension and especially on your ball joints up front. For the front get the proper coilovers and upper control arms instead of blocks and for the rear either a add Leaf, shackle, or new leaf spring. I understand saving some money or having a daily driver but you can find all that stuff on a budget. And if you get serious you can always straight axle or long travel suspension your rig. And if you don't want to cut up the rear of your rig and would like longer travel suspension there's always cantilever systems that fit under your bed if you give up your spare tire.
Why did you say that you would like to lift the rear another inch?
Did these eliminate bumpsteer for you?
great review just needed some off road video clips
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Thanks for the video.
Do you recommend any places to buy them?
+Cash Miller you usually can find a pretty decent deal on Amazon.
Is there another link to the product? It says canot find link when i click it
Did you do aftermarket Upper Control Arms or Diff drop kit?
Just ordered 6112 / 5160 system with 18” Method Mesh wheels for my 07 TRD Tundra. Getting installed 12/29/17, can’t wait. Hope I ordered with the correct offset (+18) to push the wheels out a little more than stock.
Awesome! I think you will like the set up.
E Gibson just ordered some wheels with the 18 offset. Did it push the wheels out too far?
E Gibson what setting did you use on the front struts?
Hello, was (+18) offset a good pick? I want the same set up, and I want to make sure my wheels don't stick out to much
Besides the 6112 and 5160 did you have to add anything else? or is that set up just fine?
Thanks for the review btw.
+Johnny Dang nope, that was it at the time of this vid. Hope this helped.
Solid review man, this Bilstein combo is on my list of lifts to narrow down when the times right. I just got my 14 DC 5.7 a couple weeks ago and love the truck. Question, what kind of exhaust system are you running? It sounds good and seems to be what I’m looking for. Not too loud, no drone but nice deep tone when you step on it.
Asah E. Thanks for watching. I think you’ll like the bilstein system. I’m running a BA Exhaust, which I hope to do a review on shortly . Congrats on your new truck!
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Awesome video! Definitely subscribed! How would you compare the ride quality/smoothness of your Bilstein shocks compared to a TRD off road package?
Chad & Debs I can’t give an honest review of the two as I’ve not driven a Tundra with the TRD off road package enough. Thanks for watching.
I'd love to hear the comparison between these and the Fox 2.0 IFP. Is it worth the difference in cost assuming 95% onroad? Also, are you running an aftermarket UCA?
purple8gold The 5160s are essentially the 5100 with a resi. Compared to the fox 2.0 the 5100s are cheaper and most people won’t need the resi on the 5160. Also, the fox and the 5100 ride about the same. I had the 2.0s they are nice but the 5100 is more cost effective.
Do you use the TRD rear sway bar with this setup?
What circlip did you place you’re 6112’s on?
Can you do a T-100?! Video camera can make anything look good
which circlip setting are you on?
The toytec/boss kit is very simaller in price and i have heard a step up in performance compared to the bilsteins. Anyone have experience with them? 6112s are a solid option too. Im trying to decide between them right now
The toytec are 2" shocks, the Bilstein 6112 are 2.5" shock, not to mention the superior 60mm piston size of the Bilstein, no comparison in capabilities between the shocks. Any ride quality reports from people are purely subjective
What shop did you have the lift installed at?
Great review. Im also in So Cal. I have a 2015 Tacoma 4x4. Looking to add a lift. No rock climbing here. Just hauling quads to glamis and camping with the wife and kids. Its been almost a year since this video. Would you still recommend?
+Chris G absolutely! It’s a great set up and for the price it’s hard to beat. I rode them hard for over two years. I just upgraded last weekend.
@@Tundra4x4Club What did you upgrade to if you dont mind me asking?
Chris G no worries, here’s a link to our latest video. I hope this helps. th-cam.com/video/PNQsLH_OVII/w-d-xo.html
Did the shocks seem to improve the handling when towing your travel trailer? More sag? Less sag?
You probably found an answer all ready but just in case... Dampers are velocity sensitive and springs are position sensative. The sag between different dampers will be effectively the same. However, the 5160s may control the load better about that same sag point.
I'm looking to install the 6112 and 5160's as well, especially after seeing the look of your truck which is exactly what I'm going for.. What rims/size are you running?
Hey Shawn, thanks for watching. I'm running Rolling Big Power wheels, 18x9 with 5.5 backspace. Tires are Toyo Open Country R/T 33x12.5. I hope this helps.
Thanks! I've been looking at rims as well and hadn't come across yours yet - which RBP model are they (Hard to tell in the picture)? Did you buy the rims/tires together or seperate and from where?
Sorry for all the questions but I'm very interested in your proven set up.
Hey Shawn, no worries, I make these videos to help others. These are the "Widow" model. I bought the rims and tires separate. The wheels were the RBP direct and I ordered the tires from a local shop by my home.
Hey did you add upper control arms, diff drop, and sway bar relocation? I just bought a used tundra and coming from 4runners and land cruisers the builds are different. let me know.
+Mike Bui thanks for watching. I did add Camburg UCA’s and a diff drop kit. I did not do anything different with the sway bar. Congrats on the Tundra!
I have fox shocks 2.0 with reservoir on an 05 Silverado with 9” lift and it rides like crap. Would you recommend 5160?
Well, that's a tough one for me to answer as I've never run a 9" lift. But, with that said. The Bilstein system is a different technology than Fox. So, it might. What kind of off roading do you do?
other than the 2set of shocks do i need to add anythong to the front and back such as shackles etc??? any suggestion helps im looking to upgrade my suspensions...
That’s a tough question. It depends what your long term goals are. I have a complete list of all my upgrades listed in video descriptions.
I have a 16 tundra double cab, Im thinking about this 6112 5160 kit, whats the biggest tire size I would be able run with this kit? Would you happen to know?
+Trey Yakeleya I ran 33x12.5 no problem. You want a +18 offset
Do u think 35’s tires will fit with this setup including body mount chop?
I have this same set up and I fit 35s without any hickup.
What setting do you have the front at? Do you have trd pro exhaust on your truck?
Top setting. I’m running a BA Exhaust. Thanks for watching.
Do I need new upper control arms with this set up at 2.5 inch also did you lift the rear any?
+Joel Johnson you won’t need the UCA’s. I later put on UCA’s for performance, but it aligned properly with stock. In this video, I had not lifted the rear, but again, I later installed deaver leaf springs which raised the rear by an inch.
Are these pay once and replace down the road? Or do you have to bring these in for maintenance once or twice a year?
You can probably get 50-75k miles out of these before requiring service, all depends on how many offroad aggressive miles you put on them.
When you purchased the system did it include the installation and alignment? Did you have the dealer install it or local shop? I've been contemplating to get a lift, but I really like the suspension lift. However, I was a bit concerned with the warranty. Btw, I like your setup though. :-)
Hello Robert, I had these installed at my local 4-wheel Parts store. With alignment it ran about $460.00
I just ordered the Bilstein 6112 and 5100 for my Ram 1500 Sport
Are they installed yet if so how do you like them?
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It turns out the 6112s are back ordered to the end of November, locally. I'm doing 5110s on all 4 corners and it won't be installed until October 16
Ant tire rub with the bilstein setup? I’m seriously considering the same setup. Only difference is I have a double cab sr5.
Doug Walters thanks for watching. With just the Bilstein set up I had zero rubbing. I did run into a small run at full crank when I added the Camburg Upper Control Arms. I posted a video on my page for the solution. I hope this helps.
Tundra4x4. Club thanks for the reply I’ll check that next clip out.
Did you need a differential drop or carrier bearing drop for this setup? I'm worried about 4wd engagement and 0-20mph take-off shudder.
+phaT habitaT technically, no. I did put both a diff drop kit and a carrier bearing drop on mine. The diff drop was more of a cheap security blanket. I did feel a slight vibration between 0-5 mph so I installed the carrier bearing drop as well. Hope this helps, thanks for watching.
Thank you for responding. Can you aid me as to where to purchase both of these drop kits? I'm going to purchase the Bilstein 6112 + 5100 instead of the 5160's due to price difference. $780 vs $1380
+phaT habitaT I purchased diff drop from Supreme Suspensions on Amazon. The carrier bearing I got from Dirty Deeds online.
New subscriber question...which of the five height settings did you select? It looks like 2 1/2”.
+Brad Knutson I’m at the very top setting, Thanks for watching.
Tundra4x4. Club which is at what height adjustment???
If i install 6112's at 2.5" and stay with stock UCA's, should I stick with the OEM alignment specs?
+Henry Chuong yes, you should be able to be within spec. If your in need, or desire, more caster, the. You’ll need aftermarket UCA’s. Thanks for watching.
@@Tundra4x4Club why would one need more caster? Thanks for the response.
im looking at upgrading my 5100s to something better to be able to go to Tundras to Sedona next year,,,,,,,,,,from the 6112s and 5160 to the new set up you just posted for the money which would you recommend?
+Ricardo Urrutia I ran the 6112’s and 5160’s my first year at Sedona. They ran great. For the money, I think the 6112’s hands down. As far as adjustability and overall performance, Fox takes it.
Club what do you like better from your new set up and the old set up?
@@Tundra4x4Club what was the price difference
Just received the 6112s and 5160s cant wait to get them on
How did the on-road ride quality change from stock to this setup?
Ride is stiffer, removes the braking nose dip, which was truly scary in critical situations on factory suspension. It has less body roll, My setup is 6112 + 5160 4Runner SR5, 1.25 inch in front - (aimed for leveling not lift). Cornering is much better. It also helps remove some part of motion sickness when driving around on curvy roads of East Tennessee. Speed bumps are much controlled and smoother. It does not remove the little imperfections on the road but that is where manipulating the tire pressure helps.
@@mariannacyprich5421 whats it like on washboard?
LOL I forgot to mention what I was running. I'm the opposite of you guys. I'm running a 2000 Toyota Tundra, LS3 swapped with the stock lower control arms ans qa1 coilovers with total chaos uniball upper control arms. Outback I'm running a 4-link with a Ford 9-inch.
I appreciate the comment on human bias and "mine is the best.". Everyone I know has the best doctor, best truck, best gun, best fishing pole.... We are an arrogant bunch. Btw, thats my opinion and it's the best🤷♂️
Would u recommend 35’s for the tire??
+Matt Torres I definitely would if I could do it over. Take a look at one of my recent videos, “Toyota Tundra Makeover” and you can see the difference. Hope this helps. Thanks for watching.
Did you install a diff drop kit with this suspension setup?
Hey Jabbasan12, Thanks for watching. I did. th-cam.com/video/pQanIf8OmX8/w-d-xo.html
Tundra4x4. Club is this diff something that is necessary with the 6112 & 5160 set up?
Wade D. It’s not mandatory, but only for a cheap insurance. To be honest, I’d be comfortable running without it. I installed it because it’s cheap and I knew I wanted to try and keep stock angles.
I was quoted 3k for 6112/5100, icon UCA and alignment for my 13’ crewmax rock warrior. Does that sound really high??
What setting on the front?
+KWS top setting. Thanks for watching.
Anyone try this on an f150?
Thank you for pronouncing it correctly as Bil-STEIN and not Bil-STEEN. That fricking drives me nuts. Great review.
+timrmoore thanks Tim. I too find it annoying when I hear it pronounced the wrong way.
Yup drives me nuts too. Its german company not Jewish. Hahah
Did you also changed or upgrade your UCA?
Robert Mariano thanks for watching. I have picked up some camburg upper control arms but I’ve not installed them yet.
Tundra4x4. Club Hello Great review quick question I currently have stock TTE FJ CRUISER were you able to use bilstein shocks with stock upper control arms with no issues ? I currently have bilstein trd shocks but would like to upgrade to the set up you have now since I want to be level thanks.
Mpireformeto 6112 and 5160 are supposed to be a direct fit. You don't need to upgrade your UCA, unless you want a little more travel, but its a direct fit.
Are the bilstein's rebuildable like KING?
Hey Collin, thanks for the question. Yes, the Bilstein's are rebuildable. Bilstein even offers custom valving if thats what your into. It will cost you some extra $$$ though.
King shocks are nice however Bilstein are just as good if you spend the extra cash to have them build you some they have a custom shop. King shock are more known for the off-road Market or Baja type stuff they also have a lot of contracts with trophy trucks and Baja race teams and are constantly working with the race teams and their suspension setups. Bilstein is less known but definitely all over the OEM game you can normally find just as good quality in a Bilstein without having to pay for the bigger names. I used to work in a Fab shop in San Diego and we set up a lot of trucks with Bilstein setups they're great for on-road and off-road.
Tundra4x4. Club Thank you for letting us know they are rebuildable. That was my only drawback to getting a setup like yours.
What phone mount is that?
Truck is shaking pretty heavily
Don’t buy Toytec I have the Boss edition on my Tundra and Garbage. Right passenger has a small leak and Toytec won’t replace only offered me a 10% discount. I’m going with 2.5 Fox or kings maaaybe Icon stage 2. But won’t be buying from Toytec site. I bought my Toytec Boss in 2015 and this issue happened summer of 2018. All I do is Highway mileage.
Sorry to hear that. They sound like a good option for the same price point as the bilsteins. How was the performance of them before one leaked? Im trying to decide between bilsteins, boss, or 2.5 kings . Kings are sweet but damn are they expensive
@@bigtwinz3296 toytec boss and bilstein 6112 aren't in the same league, the toytec are 2" shocks, the Bilstein 6112 are almost 2.5" shocks, and the pistons of the Bilstein are larger and superior, meaning better damping.
Quad ricers
Fox 2.0 is trash. Stick with Bilstein for a better and cheaper product 💪
After much research, I think I'm going with this setup for my 2020 DCLB Tacoma. I'm getting a 1300 pound popup camper for it eventually, so I need a suspension that will perform well both on and off road at max payload. Considering that usage, I'll probably upgrade to HD leafs and add anti-sway bars as well and maybe even rear airbags. This will be a heavy ass rig by the time I'm done and I don't want to compromise anything on ride and capability. It needs to be comfortable on road, reasonably capable off-road and stable.
Anyone have suggestions for leafs, stabilizer bars, airbags, etc for 3rg gen Tacoma? Thanks.
when you installed this 6112 and 5160 set up how much lift did it give you from stock in both front and back? Thx
+Wade D. Top setting was like 2.65 inch up front, no lift in rear. I later added deaver leaf springs for rear lift.
Tundra4x4. Club at that top setting was the nose taller than the back at that point? I wonder if there is a setting on the 6112 that will leave the truck level. Then looking at Air Ride air bags for loads and towing.
+Wade D. Top setting is level once the springs settle.
Tundra4x4. Club after you added the rear leafs your ride still sits level though? I went in wanting that set up you have and they are trying to sell me an Icon suspension. Almost twice the money. Any thoughts on that brand? Thx
Wade D. Yeah, that’s an expensive set up. I honestly would look into the Fox 2.5 if you’re planning on spending that much money. My truck sits pretty level. With the leaf springs it my sit a hair higher but it’s tough to tell. I will take some still shots and send them your way. Unless your planning on off roading your rig hard everyday, or it’s only use is offroad, I would think the ICON system is overkill.