Most people only hear the final product and think, "yeah that's cool." What we don't realize is how much stress, in-fighting, and anxiety often goes into creating something great. It's rarely easy or pretty.
although i wouldn't fault them, see you and me both play guitar so it's easy for us to say that, but they don't know the process, just like i wouldn't know anything about someone who starts a grocery store or something
Jonny Roxx I'm not a huge fan of his playing but it does fit their early music well It's tough playing thrash for years and then trying to play melodic. I was playing in thrash bands in the 80s and then moved to more melodic music in the 90s and had to learn a new style really. I can almost feel his pain 😂
TheRealGEO I was half-joking in my comment. He’s a great guitarist, really. Like you said, he just had a hard time slowing down and making good, melodic note choices in a few of his solos. I was kind of making fun of the people who say Lars is a shitty drummer. I think Lars is playing exactly what the songs need.
@@Texturas75 could only find a video interview of him saying the chords were innovative and cool on unforgiven. "Dave Mustaine's opinion of the Black Album" is the title of the youtube vid. otherwise there's a supposed quote from a gibson report that's gone now of him saying he likes James' singing.
Exact comment I was about to make... the song itself is average to me, definitely middle of the pack as far as how I would rank Metallica songs, but it's solo rips.
@@redrick8900 no he wasn't. Stfu and go get your participation letter from your shitty psychology class, hold it up high while typing bullshit in the comments.
@@nassermokhtar6851 It has bass. Stupid people can't tell because the rattle of the high end is down and the bass is doubling the rhythm guitar. You are gullible.
@@JohnDoe_69 he said, not sure WHAT they were paying him, as in how much they were giving him. The weird thing is, i read the comment as you did, and was like metallica didn't pay bob rock?
@@mikehunt8247 The total cost of recording The Black album total was $1 million. That's including studio rentals, engineers, amd rehearsal time, food and booze. So not millions upfront maybe in royalties from sales later.
Skyler Moore I'll stand corrected. However, it's becoming more and more commonplace for the engineer to also be wearing the producer hat. Read "Zen and the Art of Mixing".
This is one of the reasons why Bob Rock is so great. He literally pulled that solo out of Kirk. He really put it in him at the end... And Kirk pulled out maybe his greatest solo... No wah wah needed. Fantastic!
Nikki Sixx on making “Doctor Feelgood”: “Bob [Rock] whipped us like galley slaves. His line was, ‘That just isn’t your best.’ Nothing was good enough . . . Bob was critical, demanding and a stickler for punctuality . . . Before we walked into the studio each day, we never knew whether we’d leave in the evening feeling like the best band in the world or four angry clowns who couldn’t even play their instruments . . . No one had ever pushed us to the limits of our abilities before or kept demanding more than we thought we could give until we actually discovered that we actually did have more to give.”
Critical, demanding and a stickler for punctuality . . . This is what working for a company or any employer is like, if bands never found success they'd be doing this every week day until retirement at 70 like regular people.
@John Cena G'day John, Poor fella had to do the solo multiple times? How bout ripping out a whole bathroom (at your own expense) for a client due to a water leak that costs a trades person thousands.. Metallica could have hired Bob Kulick like Kiss did, in, out, perfect solo!
Another bland, simplistic rock band. That's pretty accurate. Bob Rock turned Metallica into a joke like Motley Crue. Soon they were shopping at Armani and writing terrible country songs.
weren't those takes what Bob wanted kirk to do? And the last takes were what kirk wanted to do?? right before he says "Alright kirk lets see what the you want to put there" basically.
nah, kirk clearly says those solos were the product of trial and error, so they weren't really first ideas but the product of bob annoying kirk to the point he played angry xD
The first pass if it actually is the first pass really is a complex difficult piece of actual music🤯😣😞😖😑if you can actually figure it out imagine your own body processing that its pretty cool actually😍 never mind the second pass🤪🙃
What's interesting is that Lars is basically not realizing Kirk's full potential, saying "That's not who he is" "that's not his style". Bob understands that he can push Kirk and get a solo that he knows will work for the song. It's flies against the face of logic: someone close to a person understands them yet it took someone outside of the group to objectively look at what each individual can contribute to a recording to make it even better than what the band members envision in their own mind.
I have seen this video so many times and think Bob Rock ruined what metalica was for me before Bob Rock got his hands on them turned them into pop metal !
@@trollins73 would you rather they just kept putting out thrash albums until they were 60? That's clearly not what they wanted to do so who cares what you think?
Death Magnetic and Hardwired to Self Destruct have some amazing solos. It's just that after 3 decades is not innovative anymore, but it still sounds awesome.
Kamizi Kirk lost his phone with loads of ideas during hardwired... Atlas rise and halo on fire sounds like "great solos" rest are just good and plain shredding....
I can clearly hear it in my mind, first part of the solo played by Kirk with clean sound, building tension, then Bob kicks in and I hear BOOOOOM (slide part) DA NA NN MM DEEEEWWW, DA NA NN MM DEEEEWWW!
antichoice1 Except Bob pushed it out of him...without him you would have gotten that one in the middle of the video where Lars was grimacing and covering his ears
Rock knew or at least bet on pissing that kid off and once again proving his talent. Sometimes you have to wanna prove it to make it real. That is what I think makes a great producer. One who can do it and doesn't have to be violent and pull guns on the band is always best.
Kirk wrote great solos up until Reload then came st Anger and like Lars their respective abilities went downhill. At least Death Magnetic had remnants of their former glory, but the last two albums not so much.
Metallica made Kill, Lightning and Puppets into great albums because they were hungry, proud, motivated young men. With the Black album it's like Rock had to push them to be hungry again.
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns Is that what happened? I saw Behind the Music too.Amd you can say "calcohol, touring, drugs, marriages, exhaustion" happened about every freaking band on the planet. And Jason Newsted was never just a studio bassist. That's 100% incorrect. He's a musician and you can listen to to all of his music on any Echobrain album. James and Lars and their massive egos never let Jason submit songs. (It took them YEARS to even give him a writing credit) Hell, you can't even hear his bass on the Justice album, and that wasn't due to exhaustion or touring as they did nothing for several months after Cliff died. James and Lars are alpha dogs and were emotionally stunted dicks then because they' were used to having their asses kissed ever since they were 17yrs old.
Crashburn 32 that proves bass is a important instrument for a band and that dick of a drummer had to go say something. Not just him and James too and if not correct this was when they were hardcore on drugs
@Moosh Moosh yeah I think Metallica should have stopped after and justice for all. Because after that it's just them just making music for money. The molded into what the record companies wanted them to be and on the way they lost theirer own identity
Bob Rock ruined Metallica. Black album is one of the most commercial piles of crap Metallica ever produced. Bob Rock turned Metallica from Metal Gods too Sell Out Commercial Rockers in one fell swoop.
3 remarkable things about this video: #1 - how Bob Rock manages to get Kirk out of his confortable zone by challeging and teasing him, until he gains trust and reaches peak #2 - Lars being a true friend to Kirk and defending him against Bob's bullying #3 - the amount of naked women on that wall...😂😂😂
there's a fine line between abusive and encouragment, at least from the outside looking in. One of the ballsiest things you can do is be honest when you know someone doesn't want to hear the truth. People like bob are becoming thin on the ground these days, and its because we're being told "if you have nothing nice to say then don't say anything at all". Sometimes people need to be reminded of the reality of the situation they find themselves in.
It’s not abusive in this case. This was the biggest band in the world at the time and they all had untouchable egos. Bob didn’t care about any of that. He was exactly what they needed at the time. When everyone else was telling them “yes” even to their own detriment, someone had to stand up and tell them no.
Those were good old days when professionals (sound engineers and producers) were let to do their work. Nowdays, artists think that can do everything on their own.
I'm a liberal for life, but one thing liberals are totally blowing it on is the coddling, from language to athletics to whatever topic, comfort is NOT the road to UNIQUE ACHIEVEMENT and SUCCESS, if you define success as being greater than your compeititors or even better than average. Human ancestors didn't get anywhere saying, I'll just float in this damn pool for eternity. It's the biggest issue with mass equality.
I will always appreciate how Metallica shares these clips with their fans. We get to be so close to the performances and the construction of the music it is like we are all roadies. Kudos to them for having the balls to let us all backstage.
+Caleb Bartlett Metallica Before Bob was brutal, unrelenting thrash. 1st album with Bob, Masterpiece yes, but after that Bob almost destroyed Metallica. They need Flemming Rasmussen!
Joseph McDermott Justice was actually greatly produced, it only sounded thin for the lack of bass, which was the decision of James, Lars and Kirk, that had nothing to do with Flemming. He still made the guitar, drums and vocals sound awesome. And Rick Rubin? That guy can't produce worth shit
First thing, Flemming has absolutely nothing to do with how long the songs are, that is all on Metallica, but imo those songs were fantastic, and in any case the artistic integrity should never be cut short because some people can't listen to a longer song. It's not that they weren't impressed with Jason, it was completely personal, they were very territorial about it, and in their own words "didn't want Jason to think he walked in to a perfect situation" which later lead them to the way they treated Jason in all his time with the band. Yes, the Bob Rock era wasn't as legendary, but that's partly because, unlike previous producers, Bob forced himself unto their writing process and pushed them in a bad direction, whereas in the past, all the writing was done by Metallica alone. Getting rid of Bob was the greatest decision they ever did. Rick Rubin has had absolutely nothing to do with the musical part of the past 2 records, he just made the mix and master of DM sound terrible, Hardwired only a little better, they'd be far better off with another producer. I recommend Flemming because he has a great back catalog of amazing sounding albums, and stil to this day makes fantastic stuff. Just listen to the debut album of Defecto that released in march last year, he made that album sound incredible.
@@warpigofthepower7918 it's not Bob's fault dumbass. Stop being a jerk for once in your life. Load-Reload-Garage-St.Anger era is whole band's decision. They wanted to do it, not Bob. People can change, deal with it.
@@ogulcanyolcu8714 Right? Like, where did people got that Bob Rock affected Met´s sound? That was completly their way, also Load and Reload are amazing
3:54 - Not perfect yet, but it sounds exactly like it's supposed to. All the pieces are in place, it just needs refining. Even someone who had never heard The Unforgiven before clicking this video randomly would instinctively feel like this is what the solo is supposed to sound like. Love him or hate him, without Bob Kirk would have never nailed this.
In the end he kind of listened to Lars he started low went high and did that twice I find the triplets hold fascinating he plays the 2nd high portion on the 2nd and 3rd frets then triplets% 14th fret finale
@@antichoice1 4:47 - "It's pretty much-pretty much the type of guitar solo I've been trying to do for the last five or six years... and uh, I'm pretty proud of that." Without Bob pushing him he wouldn't have nailed THIS type of solo. The very solo he said he'd been trying to do for half a decade. Which was my point. I never said he never nailed another solo before, relax my dude lol
Within the first bar of the final solo, you are hearing something that's on another level of intensity completely. It has since become one of the most iconic in all of Rock Music. Bob Rock knew exactly what the song needed, he knew what Kirk was capable of if pushed in the right way, which is why producers like him are so sought after. Kirk and Lars try to tell him that they have their own ideas about the solo and what it should be - Bob just says "ok, show me then", knowing full well that they can't, because he's right and he knows it.
I would love for Metallica to get back to their heavy roots but at this point Testament, Exodus, Overkill, Death Angel, Megadeth and countless others are doing it on a performance level that Metallica can't. Metallica will always have the first 4 albums which set the bar for songwriting and song concept. Maybe it's just their story to always be trying to exist just outside of the shadow of those early classics.
I think they had Flemming on stand by, just in case things didn't work out with Bob. But Flemming never pushed them the way Bob did. It was basically just, play, record, happy with that? If the answer is yes, then we're done.
What's funny is that this is legitimately one the best solos he's written by long shot. It's sounds like a very well written solo with a focus on phrasing and feeling, yet he improvised it in frustration. And on top of that, it sounds more composed than majority of his composed solos. I'm not typically that impressed by his solos, but this one is actually really good.
This is an edited vid. We dont know how long it actually took him to land on this solo. Coulda been a week, a month, who knows. Theres no way he just went from struggling playing off key in that one solo, to this. There obviously was writing involved. When bob said lets hear the guitar player of the year solo, its very possible it was already written and they were just trying to get a good take.
That's a really good point actually. Improvised during a big ego-battle, yet sounding more composed than most of the 'composed' solos. Then again, we don't know what might have been cut from this video.
That solo is one of the best parts of that album. It’s a real gift to watch someone who has worked on something for years achieve a piece he can take pride in.
Still to this day one of my favorite solos..n kirk really did just bust that thing out on a whim bc he was pissed..I remember hearing that song the first time in late night radio broadcast of the black album played in full on a philly radio station..I was 11yrs old n a total metal head already..my parents came to my door n were like it's bed time..n I was like just no, I gotta hear this while album..lol.. they were cool bc it was A Friday night. Awesome memories
This is the job of a producer. What most people don’t understand about these guys...a lot of them are not only BETTER at any given instrument than the band members, they understand the anatomy of music and the medium of sound on a level that most listeners can’t comprehend. That’s why I’ve always been interested in the Brendan O’Briens, Bob Rocks and Dave Jerdens of the world. Their overall, big picture musical chops are some of the best on the entire planet...
For my money I’ll take early 90s Butch vig as my favorite producer. There was some thing about the sound of the albums that he produced in that era that really stand the test of time. Siamese dream and never mind being notable examples of his most successful albums
1:16 is what was lost between Bob Rock and Metallica after these recording sessions for the Black Album. He pushed them beyond belief and the final product was a masterpiece. "Just slap on anything" is literally there moto now!
Maybe from a forced technical perspective (time signature changes etc.) but it was far from their pinnacle and is sonically embarrassing. They went from MoP which had a strong in your face mix to a simply heavy rhythm/drum mix. It was still epic though for sure..great album just wish they put more effort into making it sound better like Flemming and the Engineer said it was when he left it.
@@muriloninja From a guitarists perspective, AJFA is the top. It's just an absolute *hurricane* of the most legendary riffs and song progressions. I feel that the attitude of the album is Metallica saying "Oh yeah? You think you're good? Let's see you play THIS!" [cue The Frayed Ends of Sanity]
I love how people nearly 30 years on are still blaming Bob Rock for how the songs were written on TBA or for making them softer. How many times has it got to be said that the album had been pretty much written and he heard Demos of the songs when being considered to produce the album. THE SONGS WERE ALREADY WRITTEN. I’m sure James Hetfield even said in the Year and Half video that every suggestion he made they told him to f**k off. In fact the one major contribution Bob Rock had to the writing was he slowed down Sad but True and told them to try it on D tuned guitars. Ironically the heaviest song on the album. Stop blaming him for what Metallica themselves has said was their decision to get simpler after Justice. Long before they met him
that album was made the way it was because of blow. they were all on it then and it turned them into a bunch of assholes too. spitting on, and fingering people in the crowd.... never went and saw them again after that tour.
Wally Osmond are you talking about the snare on the Black Album as that is one of the best drum sounds ever. Or you jumping to St Anger? That was Lars’s fault. He’s admitted he decided that after he forgot to turn it back when they jammed and liked. Not Bob’s decision
Wtf are you talking about? Anyone on this level that has produced this much world level music for so long is a genius. People that try to simplify his ability know a few scales and put Kirk’s phenomenal playing to “practice”. I still work as a muso and teach recreationally. Business wise. If Kirk couldn’t see a vision and wrote the “right” solo for several albums then Lars would have had the world to choose from and replaced hom
@@tatianawilliams you are a moron, everything good you have ever heard from Metallica is basically from Lars (and James) because these two are responsible for writing process, building songs and all the musical ideas
it really shows how good kirk is.. under the radar..backed in a corner.. last minute of the game.. last shot and he puts out a legendary solo like this..
I've always thought that was one of Kirk's best solos. I laughed because Jame's solo on Nothing else is probably the best solo on the black album. Short, sweet, and full of emotion, perfect for the song.
There is some context missing, actually. Seems like Kirk was in a really bad place on a personal level at the time, didn't put the time to really prepare for the solo on that particular song, and now is the time when things need to move forward and they need that solo. Bob puts him in a position to succeed, by helping him fast forward through the process instead of staying stuck in denial and failure. Somehow Bob finds the right approach to help Kirk out of his funk, eliminates alleys one by one to help him pick a proper way out, hence the "cut to the chase" quote. Because the last thing they need is someone pouting and self-destructing, slowing down the process even more. They need Kirk to work his way through and find his way. And since he is a superb guitar player, at some point training and talent and creativiy kick in, he's able to build his solo and improve until it's really great. That's really awesome to have the whole process on tape. You never see someone struggle like that. Kirk is willing to let you know, that's how cool and confident he is. Anybody insecure would ask to scrap that part from the video, only show the world highlights. That's a rare privilege.
Gilles Vaudois Bob Rock is also friends with the band, so his criticisms are more of a friendly ribbing than they appear to be when taken out of context.
@@bonchbonch Not at the time though, they trashed him, still Bob had balls and stand in front of them and help them made the best Musical album they had in them since MoP (NO, putting riff after riff after riff is not the musical way, sorry Justice, still a great album though).
I bet they didn’t know people would be blasting this album and their earlier albums even 30-40 years later. I guarantee people will be playing this music 100 years from now and will be saying “Damn how nice it would’ve been to been alive when this was released”
This is actually a very interesting and inspiring video. I think every musician has had to step away from what they were working on and think it out more clearly. It’s really kind of cool that they caught Kirk actually playing the actual solo on the album for the first time.
Bob has really great musical vision. If he didn't put his input then Kirk would've taken longer to come up with a solo for The Unforgiven. Hell it probably might not have been as good. People hate on Bob Rock because he produced mainstream bands like Bon Jovi and Motley Crue. Why? I think most musicians would love to work with Bob. Isn't the whole point of writing and playing music is to share it with the world? If not, why do it at all. Music is expression and a voice to tell people how you feel. Every band even Metallica when they first started wanted a lot of attention. That was their mission. Bob knew how to reach a wide audience. Just because you reach a wide audience and become mainstream doesn't mean you sell out. Selling out only means if you're surrendering your dignity and your freedom to a higher power just so you can climb to the top. Metallica and even Motley Crue never did that. They always did what they wanted and never gave a shit what people thought. That's why they've lasted this long. People who sell out never sustain any longevity. Getting back to the original point, Bob never wrote any of these bands' records. The bands wrote them. Why blame Bob for making a band sound better on tape? People can be so ignorant sometimes.
No. The whole purpose isn't about writing and playing music to share with everybody. It's about conveying emotion into art. Plenty of people make music for themselves and that's all that they want/need. That'll be all. (:
@300bpmIt's not nonsense. If it's nonsense, people wouldn't make music that they DON'T share. Many just wanna share what THEY love. And there would still be plenty of great songs.
@300bpm Not if what they want to involves putting in the effort. I've been saying this since I started and I will continue to say it as I continue to improve myself.
@@dominikweber4305 Not really. Watch a guy named Andriy Vasylenko, he explains Lars’s position in Metallica and why he’s a very important member in the band.
Now they're sellouts, they made their millions...! Like what James said, "we can do whatever we want now..." definition, sellouts. Not looking down at them or shunning them out, just saying....their past stuff is still awesome and great up until the Load 2 album.
@@gusgus9278 well idk I feel like saying you can do whatever you want is like the opposite of selling out? Dude but Reload had Unforgiven 2, Fixxxer, Memory Remains? Just feel like their solos have been up to shit since then
@@gusgus9278 The Load albums were a major shift, but they also had some of their deepest, most varied and most emotional songs. Personally, as much as I like their last two albums, I'd rather see them do something more like Load or Black again. They're getting old. I'd like to see them make one or two more "mellow" albums before they retire, instead of trying to keep pumping out thrash, just to please jean-jacket fans for whom almost nothing is ever good enough.
This video is great for so many reasons. It shows you why Bob Rock is a great producer, it shows you how good Kirk can be when he’s pushed to the right point, and it shows you why the song was so massive. Great 5 minutes worth of footage.
Bruh , Pantera fucking rules dimebag isn’t the best? The fuck. Also they didn’t give up on metal. They wanted to try something new. If they gave up on metal than why are the last 3 albums metal? Idiot.
@Check my videos dude , click that whiskey bottle! The Black Album is definitely softer than what they'd done before, but it isn't a soft album by any stretch. Yeah, the big hits were softer, it's got the Unforgiven and Nothing Else Matters, and Enter Sandman's a cliché at this point. It's also got one of Metallica's heaviest ever songs on it (Sad But True), Through the Never, Wolf and Man, Wherever I May Roam, The God that Failed, and it's got thicc-ass production. I know it's trendy to hate on everything after the first 4, but let's get a sense of perspective here.
@Check my videos dude , click that whiskey bottle! Dude are you sure you have listened to a Metallica album? Garage Inc isn't even in the Load Reload era (it's a Packaged album) Garage days re-revisited was released before And Justice For All - Garage is a great album (covers yes) still good, it was repackage into Garage Inc with all the other covers they played over the years. Black album by the way is far from soft, not like the previous albums I agree but still had some great riffs.
I love bob’s attitude and way of pushing Kirk to his limit. Many of my music professors are literally the same way and it makes a huge difference in the way you perform
@@Aaron_French You notice in this video that in the end they ignore him. Lars wins the argument to let him play the way he wants to play. The arc Kirk wanted for the solo initially is exactly how it comes out in the end.
@@Aaron_French Nope. Nothing supports that at all. He told kirk to do it differently than Kirk did it. If a player doesn't nail a challenging piece you don't berate them about it. He's a terrible producer. Lars is the real producer. Rock is a glorified engineer.
A good producer does not try and belittle a guitar player. That's a really bad attitude just belittling and bullying a guitar player calling him a whimp it's unprofessional. Just wants to feel good about himself by calling him a whimp.
This solo is amazing, probably my favorite Metallica solo. This video makes me think so much about the movie Whiplash : pushed to the limits then BOOM amazing solo
I think this embodies the beautiful thing about Metallica is just overcoming things all the time to really be the best, and get the best out of yourself. It's been so many years of being a fan, but I realize seeing this at age 10 drove me to try and be the best musician I can be, and never bullshit your way through things.
These videos are important homework for anyone who wants to make music. These amazing musical moments dont just happen magically, you have to put the work in, even when youre in a legendary band.
“Let’s hear the fucking guitar player of the year solo” was an awesome motivation line
Sounded kinda like a roast to me but I guess it worked 😄
That was so sarcastic I'm surprised Kirk didn't snap back
@@phildinh852 He did snap back... by laying down the most fire solo Rock had ever heard.
That's how you get unmotivated artists to feel motivated. Challenge their ego; works every time.
@@treehuggerdeluxe5598 especially when it's Metallica's eo
Most people only hear the final product and think, "yeah that's cool." What we don't realize is how much stress, in-fighting, and anxiety often goes into creating something great. It's rarely easy or pretty.
Oh hey Mike! Thanks for the videos, bookmarked a bunch of them for practice
A fucking men
although i wouldn't fault them, see you and me both play guitar so it's easy for us to say that, but they don't know the process, just like i wouldn't know anything about someone who starts a grocery store or something
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Big dog dirty mike!
It's so hard to get mad at Kirk. He seems like such a genuine nice funny person.
Kirk is the biggest sweetheart in the band.
HarvesterOfShadows Easily. Adore him.
Sweet guy, shitty guitarist.
Jonny Roxx I'm not a huge fan of his playing but it does fit their early music well
It's tough playing thrash for years and then trying to play melodic. I was playing in thrash bands in the 80s and then moved to more melodic music in the 90s and had to learn a new style really. I can almost feel his pain 😂
TheRealGEO I was half-joking in my comment. He’s a great guitarist, really. Like you said, he just had a hard time slowing down and making good, melodic note choices in a few of his solos. I was kind of making fun of the people who say Lars is a shitty drummer. I think Lars is playing exactly what the songs need.
This solo ended up being so good, even Dave Mustaine admitted he was impressed.
Did he??
Dave apparently wrote it. 😉😂
You got a link to that? Lol
@@resurrectthewitch🤣😆😂
@@Texturas75 could only find a video interview of him saying the chords were innovative and cool on unforgiven. "Dave Mustaine's opinion of the Black Album" is the title of the youtube vid. otherwise there's a supposed quote from a gibson report that's gone now of him saying he likes James' singing.
Kirk looks like a mixture of Santana and Rick James.
chris call haha hahaha got a black magic super freak
On point!!! Hahahahahaha
Zorichai darkness!!
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This wins the pandemic comment Olympics.
"Like James put time into Nothing" sounds bad if you didn't know he's talking about.
Fucking James putting time into nothing at all lol
Like teachers comparing you to their favorite student...
@Matthew Pugh ain't it where's yer crown king nothing?
That song is cheesy garbage. I wish Metallica never met Bob Rock.
Hahaha I first thought "Well that's a rude thing to say about James!" then I quickly realized what he meant afterwards.
The Unforgiven solo is probably one of my favorite guitar solos ever.
Exact comment I was about to make... the song itself is average to me, definitely middle of the pack as far as how I would rank Metallica songs, but it's solo rips.
@@jamesb1988 i would rank it as i love it and its fuckn beautiful u sob. I also love melodic tech death
Yeugh
Top 3 solos xD, J love Testament solo Return to Serenity, same fucking ligue
Ewww, really?
This is why producers like Bob are a good thing. They drive artists to reach even higher.
He was in the way.
@@redrick8900 no he wasn't. Stfu and go get your participation letter from your shitty psychology class, hold it up high while typing bullshit in the comments.
@@CmdrElect Cry me a river on behalf of Bob Rock, what a loser.
@@redrick8900 Yeah that's why AJFA's production had no bass.... It's all Lars...
@@nassermokhtar6851 It has bass. Stupid people can't tell because the rattle of the high end is down and the bass is doubling the rhythm guitar. You are gullible.
I can't believe that they edited out Bob Rock blowing him after he did that solo
40 k a month
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They don't call him "Bob" for nun
Other way around, Rusty
The way Kirk & Bob act & dress it wouldnt surprise me
Not sure what they were paying him, but dammit - Bob earned his money here.
I'm sure he was paid millions of dollars on this album alone
You're not sure they were paying him? What? That's his job.
@@JohnDoe_69 he said, not sure WHAT they were paying him, as in how much they were giving him.
The weird thing is, i read the comment as you did, and was like metallica didn't pay bob rock?
@@JohnDoe_69 mong
@@mikehunt8247 The total cost of recording The Black album total was $1 million. That's including studio rentals, engineers, amd rehearsal time, food and booze. So not millions upfront maybe in royalties from sales later.
Tip for all newbie musicians - yes, your engineer has every right to talk to you like this.
especially when he has the background experience bob has. and i dont even like the guy but he knows his shit
Nobody talks to anybody like that in my studio if they want to stay in here.
Actually, your engineer has no right to talk to you this way. Your producer does though.
Skyler Moore
I'll stand corrected. However, it's becoming more and more commonplace for the engineer to also be wearing the producer hat.
Read "Zen and the Art of Mixing".
Without arguments and criticism there's no legend record
This is one of the reasons why Bob Rock is so great. He literally pulled that solo out of Kirk. He really put it in him at the end... And Kirk pulled out maybe his greatest solo... No wah wah needed. Fantastic!
Literally?
@@johnp82wtf 😂
Wow you don't know what happened here. Rock was crap. He was berating and harassing the player with bad advice. He was in the way.
@@redrick8900Wrong. This is what a good producer does.
@@A_Final_Hit Nope. Not one ever did this.
TH-cam algorithm after 13 years: It’s time
Glad they finally did it lol this is a classic 😎
It's why I'm here.
Sunny Haair right!?
Yeah
It's like TH-cam was cleaning out its garage and found this video in there, just like real life
Nikki Sixx on making “Doctor Feelgood”: “Bob [Rock] whipped us like galley slaves. His line was, ‘That just isn’t your best.’ Nothing was good enough . . . Bob was critical, demanding and a stickler for punctuality . . . Before we walked into the studio each day, we never knew whether we’d leave in the evening feeling like the best band in the world or four angry clowns who couldn’t even play their instruments . . . No one had ever pushed us to the limits of our abilities before or kept demanding more than we thought we could give until we actually discovered that we actually did have more to give.”
Critical, demanding and a stickler for punctuality . . . This is what working for a company or any employer is like, if bands never found success they'd be doing this every week day until retirement at 70 like regular people.
@John Cena G'day John,
Poor fella had to do the solo multiple times? How bout ripping out a whole bathroom (at your own expense) for a client due to a water leak that costs a trades person thousands.. Metallica could have hired Bob Kulick like Kiss did, in, out, perfect solo!
Another bland, simplistic rock band. That's pretty accurate. Bob Rock turned Metallica into a joke like Motley Crue. Soon they were shopping at Armani and writing terrible country songs.
Make it 3 idiots who cannot play or sing, and a good guitar player.
antichoice1 thank you finally someone said it
I'm glad bob trashed kirk to get that solo out of him, because kirk's first takes were awful.
Nick Caveman just like the improvised solos on HTSD are boring. he didn't do his homework.
weren't those takes what Bob wanted kirk to do? And the last takes were what kirk wanted to do?? right before he says "Alright kirk lets see what the you want to put there" basically.
nah, kirk clearly says those solos were the product of trial and error, so they weren't really first ideas but the product of bob annoying kirk to the point he played angry xD
No!
The first pass if it actually is the first pass really is a complex difficult piece of actual music🤯😣😞😖😑if you can actually figure it out imagine your own body processing that its pretty cool actually😍 never mind the second pass🤪🙃
Kirks first takes were so bad that Lars couldn’t even chew his bubble gum.
LOL!
underrated comment
XD
What's interesting is that Lars is basically not realizing Kirk's full potential, saying "That's not who he is" "that's not his style". Bob understands that he can push Kirk and get a solo that he knows will work for the song. It's flies against the face of logic: someone close to a person understands them yet it took someone outside of the group to objectively look at what each individual can contribute to a recording to make it even better than what the band members envision in their own mind.
I have seen this video so many times and think Bob Rock ruined what metalica was for me before Bob Rock got his hands on them turned them into pop metal !
That's not illogical at all. Happens all the time.
Lars looks back on the Bob rock era with this in mind
@@trollins73 would you rather they just kept putting out thrash albums until they were 60? That's clearly not what they wanted to do so who cares what you think?
@@antieverything1 if your gonna be called metallica stick to your guns god damnit
After ripping solo....
Bob; oh crap I forgot to record, Kirk can you do that again ?
+add37j fuck I would have strangled him lol
That wasn't the solo he wanted.
This isn't the final take, for sure... unless they edited it together out of a few different takes, which is of course possible.
add37j 😂😂😂
Chris Rob I'd say a shit ton of editing.
Kirk needs to be pushed and driven like this today, rather than slapping on some decent improvisation soaked in wah.
Death Magnetic and Hardwired to Self Destruct have some amazing solos. It's just that after 3 decades is not innovative anymore, but it still sounds awesome.
death magnetic - YES ... Hardwired - not so much. He wrote epic ones for most of the songs on DM but seemed to have this "that'll do" attitude on HW.
Spit out the bone!!!
Atlas Rise, Now That We're Dead, Moth Into Flame, Man UnKind, and Spit out the bone have great solos.
Kamizi Kirk lost his phone with loads of ideas during hardwired... Atlas rise and halo on fire sounds like "great solos" rest are just good and plain shredding....
Glad he pushed him because that recorded solo is one of the best solos I think that has ever been recorded.
I dunno, I think they should've just used Bob saying "DA-NA NN-MM DEEEWWWWW" as the solo.
😂
That's funny shit. 😅
I can clearly hear it in my mind, first part of the solo played by Kirk with clean sound, building tension, then Bob kicks in and I hear BOOOOOM (slide part) DA NA NN MM DEEEEWWW, DA NA NN MM DEEEEWWW!
Someone really should sample that.
LOL!!
Well...I must say Bob did a great job, The Unforgiven solo is one of my favorites.
Mine as well. Completely agree with the Rock statement, too.
Except he didn't play it. Kirk did. Fuck Bob Rock.
Yeah that solo was kirks idea not bobs, did anyone actually watch the video lol
It won some guitar solo awards in 1992
antichoice1 Except Bob pushed it out of him...without him you would have gotten that one in the middle of the video where Lars was grimacing and covering his ears
And I would have to say that this solo displays the most emotion Kirk ever put into a solo!!
i would say fade to black
+Liam Kalmo it's James' solo
lol, it's kirk's solo dude
Viss 8xM yeah I remembered wrong that was fade to black :)
fade to black has the best metallica solo
I love kirks "ALRIGHT MAN" when Bob was talking to him, he sounds like a kid getting in trouble
That's how pros motivate people with skill. Let 'em know they're sucking when they could be slaying. Bob knew what he was doing.
Rock knew or at least bet on pissing that kid off and once again proving his talent. Sometimes you have to wanna prove it to make it real. That is what I think makes a great producer. One who can do it and doesn't have to be violent and pull guns on the band is always best.
LMFAO ME TOO that's why I always watch this vid
"Do whatever you want, Kirk."
"I have been....."
Guilt trip
Mad respect for Bob Rock. He really got the best out of these guys and got them out of their comfort zone.
No he didn't.
@@redrick8900 Yes he did. Compare it to all the shit they did before and after working with him
I have. It doesn't support your position.
@@redrick8900 just trying to be difficult. NO way he actually believes that lol
@@redrick8900 Yes it does
If Kirk was pushed that hard on every song he’d be a top 10 guitarist of all time, but the man just comes in for 5 minutes and gives it three tries 😂
@Gustavo Araujo Did you see the interview article defending his lux aeterna solo?
@@vvoof2601 yeah, sad lol.
Kirk wrote great solos up until Reload then came st Anger and like Lars their respective abilities went downhill. At least Death Magnetic had remnants of their former glory, but the last two albums not so much.
Dude tell me who do you have in the top 10 all time? Maybe someone like Slash, when was the last time he wrote a great solo, 1987?
@@leob4403 Slash continues to write great solos. Anastasia springs immediately to mind from his Conspirators work.
When it cuts to Kirk playing it live, I don't know why but I get fucking teary eyed. It's like "oh man, he did it..."
He finally got over the notes in the between :')
@@blackmane1999 this is in 1991. The notes in between happened in 2003 lol
Lol what?
Metallica made Kill, Lightning and Puppets into great albums because they were hungry, proud, motivated young men. With the Black album it's like Rock had to push them to be hungry again.
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns Is that what happened? I saw Behind the Music too.Amd you can say "calcohol, touring, drugs, marriages, exhaustion" happened about every freaking band on the planet. And Jason Newsted was never just a studio bassist. That's 100% incorrect. He's a musician and you can listen to to all of his music on any Echobrain album. James and Lars and their massive egos never let Jason submit songs. (It took them YEARS to even give him a writing credit) Hell, you can't even hear his bass on the Justice album, and that wasn't due to exhaustion or touring as they did nothing for several months after Cliff died. James and Lars are alpha dogs and were emotionally stunted dicks then because they' were used to having their asses kissed ever since they were 17yrs old.
Crashburn 32 that proves bass is a important instrument for a band and that dick of a drummer had to go say something. Not just him and James too and if not correct this was when they were hardcore on drugs
@Moosh Moosh yeah I think Metallica should have stopped after and justice for all. Because after that it's just them just making music for money. The molded into what the record companies wanted them to be and on the way they lost theirer own identity
Bob Rock ruined Metallica. Black album is one of the most commercial piles of crap Metallica ever produced. Bob Rock turned Metallica from Metal Gods too Sell Out Commercial Rockers in one fell swoop.
Money. They got lazy and started resting on their laurels.
3 remarkable things about this video:
#1 - how Bob Rock manages to get Kirk out of his confortable zone by challeging and teasing him, until he gains trust and reaches peak
#2 - Lars being a true friend to Kirk and defending him against Bob's bullying
#3 - the amount of naked women on that wall...😂😂😂
😂😂😂
Fucking hell, 13 years later here I am.
.... on the road again.
Except it’s 30 years... I know, scary.
If you dare to reply to this comment I will send you 13 years back.
To this day, one of the greatest solos he ever wrote in his entire life.
Credit to Bob as well for pulling it out of him kicking and screaming
Oh come on, Kirk probably spent months writing this solo. This whole scene was blatantly scripted and staged to pretend he improvised it on the spot 😂
"It's like CRACK N BOOOOM DADA DUN DOOOO DADA DUN DOOOO. You know, it's fucking..."
it's like you're playing off what's there going up high just like DIN DIRIDINDIN
Nacho Gonzalez The school of Bob Rock :D
+epiphany55 real talk music talk
They cut the part where Bob Rock walks into the room every 5 minutes and says "I've got a fever, and the only prescription, is more wah peddle."
Haha
Good one
Nah, Bro.
Pedal*
What's he gonna ask for next-Cowbell?!?🤣😆🤣😆🤣😆
If your not arguing during the recording of an album then it's probably not going to be a good record.
Music Power I know, st anger
listen "Hello Master"
Music Power ain't that the truth
Lennart X xD
Music Power And this album wasn’t impressive. It was good but not impressive
That solo is one of the best I've ever heard. It was great on all levels....
there's a fine line between abusive and encouragment, at least from the outside looking in. One of the ballsiest things you can do is be honest when you know someone doesn't want to hear the truth. People like bob are becoming thin on the ground these days, and its because we're being told "if you have nothing nice to say then don't say anything at all". Sometimes people need to be reminded of the reality of the situation they find themselves in.
Apparently you've never recorded with anyone worth a shit. This is commonplace.
@@rodneyking8896 I think he just means generally. Just referring to the whole PC culture.
It’s not abusive in this case. This was the biggest band in the world at the time and they all had untouchable egos. Bob didn’t care about any of that. He was exactly what they needed at the time. When everyone else was telling them “yes” even to their own detriment, someone had to stand up and tell them no.
Those were good old days when professionals (sound engineers and producers) were let to do their work. Nowdays, artists think that can do everything on their own.
I'm a liberal for life, but one thing liberals are totally blowing it on is the coddling, from language to athletics to whatever topic, comfort is NOT the road to UNIQUE ACHIEVEMENT and SUCCESS, if you define success as being greater than your compeititors or even better than average. Human ancestors didn't get anywhere saying, I'll just float in this damn pool for eternity. It's the biggest issue with mass equality.
Lars should have said to Bob Rock, "what do you suggest, do you suggest he FOCKING leave the band!?" 🤘
"Let's hear the f***kin' guitar player of the year solo"
Cut to kirk laying down the guitar player of the year solo
I will always appreciate how Metallica shares these clips with their fans. We get to be so close to the performances and the construction of the music it is like we are all roadies. Kudos to them for having the balls to let us all backstage.
Those people who are crapping on Bob, fail to realize that he is one of the best producers in the music business along with Mutt Lange
+Caleb Bartlett Metallica Before Bob was brutal, unrelenting thrash. 1st album with Bob, Masterpiece yes, but after that Bob almost destroyed Metallica. They need Flemming Rasmussen!
Joseph McDermott Justice was actually greatly produced, it only sounded thin for the lack of bass, which was the decision of James, Lars and Kirk, that had nothing to do with Flemming. He still made the guitar, drums and vocals sound awesome. And Rick Rubin? That guy can't produce worth shit
First thing, Flemming has absolutely nothing to do with how long the songs are, that is all on Metallica, but imo those songs were fantastic, and in any case the artistic integrity should never be cut short because some people can't listen to a longer song.
It's not that they weren't impressed with Jason, it was completely personal, they were very territorial about it, and in their own words "didn't want Jason to think he walked in to a perfect situation" which later lead them to the way they treated Jason in all his time with the band.
Yes, the Bob Rock era wasn't as legendary, but that's partly because, unlike previous producers, Bob forced himself unto their writing process and pushed them in a bad direction, whereas in the past, all the writing was done by Metallica alone. Getting rid of Bob was the greatest decision they ever did.
Rick Rubin has had absolutely nothing to do with the musical part of the past 2 records, he just made the mix and master of DM sound terrible, Hardwired only a little better, they'd be far better off with another producer. I recommend Flemming because he has a great back catalog of amazing sounding albums, and stil to this day makes fantastic stuff. Just listen to the debut album of Defecto that released in march last year, he made that album sound incredible.
@@warpigofthepower7918 it's not Bob's fault dumbass. Stop being a jerk for once in your life. Load-Reload-Garage-St.Anger era is whole band's decision. They wanted to do it, not Bob. People can change, deal with it.
@@ogulcanyolcu8714 Right? Like, where did people got that Bob Rock affected Met´s sound? That was completly their way, also Load and Reload are amazing
This solo when listened through the right speakers still gives me goosebumps... love the expression in this lead.. one of my all time favs
Bob: Lets hear the guitar solo of the year.
Kirk: Hold my Wah.
Hands down one of my favorite solos ever and I love this clip, I watch it every few years.
All that effort and they ended up with one of the most melodic and perfect solos in rock history.
3:54 - Not perfect yet, but it sounds exactly like it's supposed to. All the pieces are in place, it just needs refining. Even someone who had never heard The Unforgiven before clicking this video randomly would instinctively feel like this is what the solo is supposed to sound like. Love him or hate him, without Bob Kirk would have never nailed this.
vance almighty I see you’re on the random Metallica documentary binge as well
@@jacobsimpson8261 Yeah lol. I watched this particular doc so many times on DVD as a teenager it's insane.
In the end he kind of listened to Lars he started low went high and did that twice I find the triplets hold fascinating he plays the 2nd high portion on the 2nd and 3rd frets then triplets% 14th fret finale
Bullshit, he nailed solos all the time on earlier albums.
@@antichoice1 4:47 - "It's pretty much-pretty much the type of guitar solo I've been trying to do for the last five or six years... and uh, I'm pretty proud of that."
Without Bob pushing him he wouldn't have nailed THIS type of solo. The very solo he said he'd been trying to do for half a decade. Which was my point. I never said he never nailed another solo before, relax my dude lol
Within the first bar of the final solo, you are hearing something that's on another level of intensity completely. It has since become one of the most iconic in all of Rock Music. Bob Rock knew exactly what the song needed, he knew what Kirk was capable of if pushed in the right way, which is why producers like him are so sought after.
Kirk and Lars try to tell him that they have their own ideas about the solo and what it should be - Bob just says "ok, show me then", knowing full well that they can't, because he's right and he knows it.
One of the best solos in Rock history, IMO.
Metal
right after Tornado of Souls by Marty Friedman = Megadeth
@@elbrayanqebinquispecondori black album is hard rock at best
@@jrcogburnI'd argue that lucretia is tied with Tornado but to each their own.
@@rusherdasher8826 I'll agree with ya on that man. Best album for guitarist ever
That's a producer's job. Creative tension sometimes makes the best music. Although I wouldn't mind if they brought back Flemming Rassmusen.
I prefer Rasmussen over Rock any day.
I would love for Metallica to get back to their heavy roots but at this point Testament, Exodus, Overkill, Death Angel, Megadeth and countless others are doing it on a performance level that Metallica can't. Metallica will always have the first 4 albums which set the bar for songwriting and song concept. Maybe it's just their story to always be trying to exist just outside of the shadow of those early classics.
I think they had Flemming on stand by, just in case things didn't work out with Bob.
But Flemming never pushed them the way Bob did. It was basically just, play, record, happy with that? If the answer is yes, then we're done.
Ol flemming bud
Big scoots I call em back then over there since they since played there with him
What's funny is that this is legitimately one the best solos he's written by long shot. It's sounds like a very well written solo with a focus on phrasing and feeling, yet he improvised it in frustration. And on top of that, it sounds more composed than majority of his composed solos. I'm not typically that impressed by his solos, but this one is actually really good.
Listen to the expert 👌
@@wolfreyet I mean, I would call myself an expert. Guitar has been my life for almost 2 decades. But, whatever.
@@wolfreyet I mean he's the expert of his opinions yeah.. who pissed in your corn flakes
This is an edited vid. We dont know how long it actually took him to land on this solo. Coulda been a week, a month, who knows. Theres no way he just went from struggling playing off key in that one solo, to this. There obviously was writing involved.
When bob said lets hear the guitar player of the year solo, its very possible it was already written and they were just trying to get a good take.
That's a really good point actually. Improvised during a big ego-battle, yet sounding more composed than most of the 'composed' solos. Then again, we don't know what might have been cut from this video.
Its wild to know how much influence Bob had over this whole album. He really was almost a 5th member of the band at that time.
That solo still gives me goosebumps. Well played Kirk!
This needs to go into the "Coaching Hall of Fame". Thats how you push someone to be their best.
Give Bob his due, he pulled it out of him. It's a great solo that tells a story the way a good solo should.
Bob was a sellout. Kirk played the solo, not Bob.
Read the story to me.
This is a perfect example of how great producers push musicians to get the best out of them
That solo is one of the best parts of that album. It’s a real gift to watch someone who has worked on something for years achieve a piece he can take pride in.
"Let's hear the 'Guitar Player of the Year' solo..." - Nailed it (with touch ups later on, but still...) nailed it.
@leahcim38 You clearly didn't read the touch-ups part of the comment.
this was my dad when he was teaching me how to drive
@Nate S. Did you eventually run him over?
"This car just ain't workin' for me, man.."
Nate’s Dad: (sarcastically) Okay, let’s see the driver of the year parallel park!
Nate proceeds to flawlessly parallel park
so in the end, u drove realreal good on them roads!..a nascar guy now perhaps eh
Why was I recommended this 13 years later? See you guys in 13 years when this gets recommended agin.
A gin? I prefer whiskey.
@@gregvangaasbeek813 I prefer rum to be honest.
I got recommended after 13 years and 1 month. Beat that!!!!
Because Bob Rock did a Gibson spot that is quite popular. It's a good watch if you haven't seen it already.
Ok. See you then. 👍
That is such a meaningful statement of a guitar solo. Perfection within the song.
That solo is pure class fair play. Timeless.
Such a great solo caught on video at it's inception.. Jaw dropping! Spine tingling!
Bob Rock is totally what they needed. Someone who had the balls and knew what he is doing. Long live the (Bob) rock!
Bob Rock was just being a good producer...I don’t know where he supposedly lost his mind.
Probably the all the $ that started from this record. Watching him here is like watching a great coach or something
if you're talking about the text in the film, it's a joke lol
2:25... i like to listen on repeat
@@lorcansavage1550 Exactly.😆👌
He was being a terrible producer. A good producer never tries to make musicians feel bad.
"That's my school of thought... grab em, take them to this other place and really take them to a higher plateau!" - Kirk Hammett
@Daniel Treadwell love that!
What did he say right after that ....? I could never figure that out ...
@@placidblack836 "Fuck man, I sound new age."
Jonathan Hiltz
Thanks ... I kinda thought he said something along those lines ..
i live my life by those very words.. now i'm going to 7-11 with my mom..
Still to this day one of my favorite solos..n kirk really did just bust that thing out on a whim bc he was pissed..I remember hearing that song the first time in late night radio broadcast of the black album played in full on a philly radio station..I was 11yrs old n a total metal head already..my parents came to my door n were like it's bed time..n I was like just no, I gotta hear this while album..lol.. they were cool bc it was A Friday night. Awesome memories
The stress was worth it. This is one of my favorite solos that kirk ever did
This is the job of a producer. What most people don’t understand about these guys...a lot of them are not only BETTER at any given instrument than the band members, they understand the anatomy of music and the medium of sound on a level that most listeners can’t comprehend. That’s why I’ve always been interested in the Brendan O’Briens, Bob Rocks and Dave Jerdens of the world. Their overall, big picture musical chops are some of the best on the entire planet...
For my money I’ll take early 90s Butch vig as my favorite producer. There was some thing about the sound of the albums that he produced in that era that really stand the test of time. Siamese dream and never mind being notable examples of his most successful albums
Yeah that solo hits hard once he finally figured it out
Hits the bottom of a trash bin
Those double stops really set the tone for a killer solo.
Still sends chills down my spine.
1:16 is what was lost between Bob Rock and Metallica after these recording sessions for the Black Album. He pushed them beyond belief and the final product was a masterpiece. "Just slap on anything" is literally there moto now!
And Justice was their pinnacle. Bob Rock was the beginning of the end. JMO.
Maybe from a forced technical perspective (time signature changes etc.) but it was far from their pinnacle and is sonically embarrassing. They went from MoP which had a strong in your face mix to a simply heavy rhythm/drum mix. It was still epic though for sure..great album just wish they put more effort into making it sound better like Flemming and the Engineer said it was when he left it.
No bass
@@muriloninja From a guitarists perspective, AJFA is the top. It's just an absolute *hurricane* of the most legendary riffs and song progressions. I feel that the attitude of the album is Metallica saying "Oh yeah? You think you're good? Let's see you play THIS!"
[cue The Frayed Ends of Sanity]
I get goosebumps every single time, even 30 years later. Kirk Hammett rules. 🤘
I love how people nearly 30 years on are still blaming Bob Rock for how the songs were written on TBA or for making them softer. How many times has it got to be said that the album had been pretty much written and he heard Demos of the songs when being considered to produce the album. THE SONGS WERE ALREADY WRITTEN. I’m sure James Hetfield even said in the Year and Half video that every suggestion he made they told him to f**k off. In fact the one major contribution Bob Rock had to the writing was he slowed down Sad but True and told them to try it on D tuned guitars. Ironically the heaviest song on the album. Stop blaming him for what Metallica themselves has said was their decision to get simpler after Justice. Long before they met him
that album was made the way it was because of blow. they were all on it then and it turned them into a bunch of assholes too. spitting on, and fingering people in the crowd.... never went and saw them again after that tour.
He's the producer. That snare drum is 100% his fault. He's an idiot.
Wally Osmond are you talking about the snare on the Black Album as that is one of the best drum sounds ever. Or you jumping to St Anger? That was Lars’s fault. He’s admitted he decided that after he forgot to turn it back when they jammed and liked. Not Bob’s decision
So then explain load and reload. Ugh
@John James if you like garbage, sure
Kirk may not be a musical theory genius but that's part of his genius. Deep lol
Man this videos old
@brent0529 exactly, his mentor/guitar teacher IS a musical theory genius, so he definitely knows what he is doing.
Wtf are you talking about? Anyone on this level that has produced this much world level music for so long is a genius. People that try to simplify his ability know a few scales and put Kirk’s phenomenal playing to “practice”. I still work as a muso and teach recreationally. Business wise. If Kirk couldn’t see a vision and wrote the “right” solo for several albums then Lars would have had the world to choose from and replaced hom
@@rockstar450 Kirks amazing mate. That was sort of my point if you bothered to understand it.
@@jaydentrammell1148 not far off 30 years
------------------------------1:55- watch Lars laughing and cringing at Kirks Solo.
Which is ironic because he's the worst Metallica member ever.
Tatiana Williams how so? His management and ambition brought them where they’re at.
@Shockheadd45 it's okay, he's been playing the same shit for the past 20 years but he still contributed to the bunch of tracks Metallica done...
@@tatianawilliams you are a moron, everything good you have ever heard from Metallica is basically from Lars (and James) because these two are responsible for writing process, building songs and all the musical ideas
Not for anything he can't hold a beat to save his life
it really shows how good kirk is.. under the radar..backed in a corner.. last minute of the game.. last shot and he puts out a legendary solo like this..
I've always thought that was one of Kirk's best solos. I laughed because Jame's solo on Nothing else is probably the best solo on the black album. Short, sweet, and full of emotion, perfect for the song.
which that solo has in common big time with this one
Even better than the solo on The God that Failed?
1:48, Lars just heard his drumming in the mix
i know this is a year old, but damn that made me laugh
There is some context missing, actually. Seems like Kirk was in a really bad place on a personal level at the time, didn't put the time to really prepare for the solo on that particular song, and now is the time when things need to move forward and they need that solo. Bob puts him in a position to succeed, by helping him fast forward through the process instead of staying stuck in denial and failure. Somehow Bob finds the right approach to help Kirk out of his funk, eliminates alleys one by one to help him pick a proper way out, hence the "cut to the chase" quote. Because the last thing they need is someone pouting and self-destructing, slowing down the process even more. They need Kirk to work his way through and find his way. And since he is a superb guitar player, at some point training and talent and creativiy kick in, he's able to build his solo and improve until it's really great. That's really awesome to have the whole process on tape. You never see someone struggle like that. Kirk is willing to let you know, that's how cool and confident he is. Anybody insecure would ask to scrap that part from the video, only show the world highlights. That's a rare privilege.
Yeah, didn’t they all struggle with their girlfriends or wives at that time? Must’ve affected some of their moods for sure
Kirk had a divorce at that time.
Gilles Vaudois Bob Rock is also friends with the band, so his criticisms are more of a friendly ribbing than they appear to be when taken out of context.
@@bonchbonch Not at the time though, they trashed him, still Bob had balls and stand in front of them and help them made the best Musical album they had in them since MoP (NO, putting riff after riff after riff is not the musical way, sorry Justice, still a great album though).
@@antoniocenteno1483 What we see in this video is good-natured ribbing.
I bet they didn’t know people would be blasting this album and their earlier albums even 30-40 years later. I guarantee people will be playing this music 100 years from now and will be saying “Damn how nice it would’ve been to been alive when this was released”
"You think I staged that electrocution"😂
This is actually a very interesting and inspiring video. I think every musician has had to step away from what they were working on and think it out more clearly. It’s really kind of cool that they caught Kirk actually playing the actual solo on the album for the first time.
Bob has really great musical vision. If he didn't put his input then Kirk would've taken longer to come up with a solo for The Unforgiven. Hell it probably might not have been as good. People hate on Bob Rock because he produced mainstream bands like Bon Jovi and Motley Crue. Why? I think most musicians would love to work with Bob. Isn't the whole point of writing and playing music is to share it with the world? If not, why do it at all. Music is expression and a voice to tell people how you feel. Every band even Metallica when they first started wanted a lot of attention. That was their mission. Bob knew how to reach a wide audience. Just because you reach a wide audience and become mainstream doesn't mean you sell out. Selling out only means if you're surrendering your dignity and your freedom to a higher power just so you can climb to the top. Metallica and even Motley Crue never did that. They always did what they wanted and never gave a shit what people thought. That's why they've lasted this long. People who sell out never sustain any longevity. Getting back to the original point, Bob never wrote any of these bands' records. The bands wrote them. Why blame Bob for making a band sound better on tape? People can be so ignorant sometimes.
anyway i have to stick with bob in this one, working with a stupid guitar player who doesn't know to play guitar decently must be a pain in the ass.
No. The whole purpose isn't about writing and playing music to share with everybody. It's about conveying emotion into art. Plenty of people make music for themselves and that's all that they want/need.
That'll be all. (:
@300bpmIt's not nonsense. If it's nonsense, people wouldn't make music that they DON'T share. Many just wanna share what THEY love.
And there would still be plenty of great songs.
@300bpm Not if what they want to involves putting in the effort. I've been saying this since I started and I will continue to say it as I continue to improve myself.
@300bpm You are nuts. No shame in playing for the love of it.
And it turned out to be one of the best solos of his career!
Kirk has mastered the style of playing for decades but still sounding like he’s learning the instrument.
So has lars
They should have kicked lars out not dave
@@dominikweber4305 they was going to do that after the master of puppets tour, but cliff died
@@holeesheeetgonzalez holy shit i didn't know that. So if he hadn't died, the band would probably rule more then it ever did now
@@dominikweber4305 Not really. Watch a guy named Andriy Vasylenko, he explains Lars’s position in Metallica and why he’s a very important member in the band.
"so let's slap on anything" pretty much what they do now
Now they're sellouts, they made their millions...! Like what James said, "we can do whatever we want now..." definition, sellouts. Not looking down at them or shunning them out, just saying....their past stuff is still awesome and great up until the Load 2 album.
@@gusgus9278 well idk I feel like saying you can do whatever you want is like the opposite of selling out? Dude but Reload had Unforgiven 2, Fixxxer, Memory Remains? Just feel like their solos have been up to shit since then
@@gusgus9278 The Load albums were a major shift, but they also had some of their deepest, most varied and most emotional songs. Personally, as much as I like their last two albums, I'd rather see them do something more like Load or Black again. They're getting old. I'd like to see them make one or two more "mellow" albums before they retire, instead of trying to keep pumping out thrash, just to please jean-jacket fans for whom almost nothing is ever good enough.
@@Retrorevelations I agree
@@Retrorevelations that was perfect
This video is great for so many reasons. It shows you why Bob Rock is a great producer, it shows you how good Kirk can be when he’s pushed to the right point, and it shows you why the song was so massive. Great 5 minutes worth of footage.
Probably one of the finest solos ever.
"lets hear the guitar player of the year solo..."
Proceeds to lay down one of nastiest solos ever recorded to tape.
Bruh , Pantera fucking rules dimebag isn’t the best? The fuck.
Also they didn’t give up on metal. They wanted to try something new. If they gave up on metal than why are the last 3 albums metal? Idiot.
@Bruh , Pantera fucking rules pantera is boomer music
Spot on! The notes are marvelous, the technical performance is not at all.
@Check my videos dude , click that whiskey bottle! The Black Album is definitely softer than what they'd done before, but it isn't a soft album by any stretch. Yeah, the big hits were softer, it's got the Unforgiven and Nothing Else Matters, and Enter Sandman's a cliché at this point. It's also got one of Metallica's heaviest ever songs on it (Sad But True), Through the Never, Wolf and Man, Wherever I May Roam, The God that Failed, and it's got thicc-ass production.
I know it's trendy to hate on everything after the first 4, but let's get a sense of perspective here.
@Check my videos dude , click that whiskey bottle! Dude are you sure you have listened to a Metallica album? Garage Inc isn't even in the Load Reload era (it's a Packaged album) Garage days re-revisited was released before And Justice For All - Garage is a great album (covers yes) still good, it was repackage into Garage Inc with all the other covers they played over the years. Black album by the way is far from soft, not like the previous albums I agree but still had some great riffs.
2:55 Hearing Bob say that while looking at the nudie pics on the wall gives me a different idea of what he's talking about...
Man, the studio was filled with porn
Gotta let guys remember why they became musicians..
@Dino 66 🤯🐱
@@JesusChrist-uu2te Gotta let guys remember not to jump into each other's jocks and make out furiously.
Kirk reminds me of my old lead guitar player, super nice and easy to get along with & just nice to everyone, and always the peace maker on the band
3:30 "impress me"
3:44 "let's hear the fucking guitar player of the year solo"
Love it.
I love bob’s attitude and way of pushing Kirk to his limit. Many of my music professors are literally the same way and it makes a huge difference in the way you perform
He was a fool giving bad advice.
@@Aaron_French You notice in this video that in the end they ignore him. Lars wins the argument to let him play the way he wants to play. The arc Kirk wanted for the solo initially is exactly how it comes out in the end.
@@Aaron_French Nope. Nothing supports that at all. He told kirk to do it differently than Kirk did it. If a player doesn't nail a challenging piece you don't berate them about it. He's a terrible producer. Lars is the real producer. Rock is a glorified engineer.
A good producer does not try and belittle a guitar player. That's a really bad attitude just belittling and bullying a guitar player calling him a whimp it's unprofessional. Just wants to feel good about himself by calling him a whimp.
Kirk has written some my favorite solos.
Kirk looks like a member of Mexican group Los Temerarios. Temerallica!
This is why Kirk is one of my favourite players.
He’s very boring repetitive…weak vibrato and not bending in tune 👎
You know Metallica in general is a weak band but still they managed to make good shit
@@thomasfarmer1730and you're a TH-camr with a boring and repetitive opinion, who gives? The guy is allowed to like whoever he wants.
This solo is amazing, probably my favorite Metallica solo. This video makes me think so much about the movie Whiplash : pushed to the limits then BOOM amazing solo
Hugo Leurent I had the same thought
It’s amazing how much influence a great producer/engineer has in a song.
I think this embodies the beautiful thing about Metallica is just overcoming things all the time to really be the best, and get the best out of yourself. It's been so many years of being a fan, but I realize seeing this at age 10 drove me to try and be the best musician I can be, and never bullshit your way through things.
These videos are important homework for anyone who wants to make music. These amazing musical moments dont just happen magically, you have to put the work in, even when youre in a legendary band.