So true. I always wondered what’s the key to success with your band. After 15 years of being in bands I know for sure that getting along with each other makes at least 50%. Every time me and my bandmates had a great opportunity, our egos blew it up. That’s sucks
As someone whos been in a lot of bands i can say this is just not true. Proper musos get along with each other and other easily othjerwise yo ucant have anysuccess as a musician. This is how bands who formed as teenagers and stay together for 50 years act. The ynever had to be musicians, theyre metallica members.
Kirk has stood at the sidelines since cliff died just seeing these two "James and Lars" ripping each other apart. it was a total power struggle. I feel for Kirk. he should have said "you two are being complete dicks to each other. get your shit sorted out" more often in these moments
This was so uncomfortable to watch when I was a teen, but having seen it over and over again as I've grown into an adult, and in therapy myself now, this was so raw and unfiltered, but most importantly, human. They weren't rock-gods, they were people like me. It solidified me as a fan not just of their music, but of them as people.
In retrospect Metallica were so ahead of their time by hiring a therapist when you consider how mental health had nowhere near the amount of attention compared to today.
RIGHT?!!! I can honestly imagine he bought it specifically to draw attention to himself. Trying out several in the store by pacing around rack of levis until he found one that annoyed everyone. Random customer 4 aisles over: "Would you cut the shit and pick a fuckin jacket already before I jump in front of a bus?" Lars: "Oh yeah...this is the one"
No wonder why Mustaine got booted from the band. Could you imagine if Kirk wasn't there and it was Mustaine as the third guy in a conversation like this? Dave had way too much of a extrovert personality to last even if he wasnt a drunk back in the day.
@delreydavid They didn't bicker like this all the time early on. Dave was already an angry, violent drunk when he joined Metallica, and it's what got him booted from the band.
James and lars : * Arguing * Kirk :Rob? Rob : Yeah? Kirk : Are james and lars getting a divorce Rob : * Sigh * I-i don't know buddy we'll figure it out in the morning Kirk : okay
4:20 Lars is actually trying right here. I agree 100% that it should never have to be just one choice and the rest is fucked. There's always wiggle room when it comes to compromise and the problem we all have as people is that we like to make things more complicated to others because to us,having things a certain way is easier to us which isn't exactly fair to anyone else involved in your life and that's when self reflection has to take hold otherwise, nobody will grow to become adaptive and willing to learn and possibly grow.
Should have brought Dave Mustaine into the room... Then you'd have the trifecta of issues. But I guess 20-30 years of letting shit slide, only stores it in the cupboard until someone opens the door.
I remember when this documentary came out many fans and people were half puzzled and half joking about watching Metallica going to therapy. It sounded like a comedy sketch from Saturday Night live. Now, years later everyone needs to recognise that this documentary made a lot for men's mental health. If people as hardcore as Metallica can talk openly about their feelings, why can't all the men in these world.
6:07 Bob is having a serious talk with the rest of the band about how after working with the band for years he still can't feel comfortable calling them his friends. Meanwhile the camera crew is filming Lars pacing around a fucking ping pong table cooling off after his little conniption to the sound of the loudest pair of track pants on planet earth.
He won't call them friends because they pay him very very very well. And well deserved by bob..can I ask you a question? Why the hell is bob there anyway?
@@natoprox4974Between the Black Album and St. Anger, Bob was the producer. Bob knew everything that was going in the band and everything individually. Bob saw 1st hand what Metallica was going through.
Look, you need to take this seriously and understand that they're under so much pressure because when they go home they have to listen to their kids in their room playing Megadeth WAY TOO LOUD
Lars: fighting James: fighting Kirk in his mind: “what’s for dinner?” *giving himself trivia on horror facts* *breaking down their arguments in his head*
after watching this again i realized that how people like Lars are actually needed for a band. He is absolutely right when says to James that he shows up late then it's supposed to and James knows it too. everybody accuses Lars with being greedy, showman-ish, etc. but somebody has to deal with band's non-music related stuff and Lars just does that perfectly imho.
James Imposes a 4 hour window of WORK because of HIS problem. Doesn't want to take ownership of it. He shows up late. When he gets called out for it says IN THE PAST you showed up late. Totally not owning if it did happen in the past it wasn't when somebody imposed a 4 hour work window on the band. No wonder Dave Mustaine Kicked James ass.
@@Ukraineaissance2014 wtf are you even talking about. You've either never been an addict or have no idea how it works because this is the dumbest shit I've ever read. I was an IV heroin and coke addict for over a decade and I can promise you there's no 4 hour timer to be "suspiciously close to the amount of time goes by until an addict needs to score again" this is the kinda 3head uneducated crap I'd expect to hear on Fox News or from a 3rd grade education level idiot.
Kirk is like a child watching his parents marriage fall apart. Like he’s totally neutral, and probably agrees with Lars / James on a lot of things and doesn’t want them to fight anymore, and sometimes as Lars becomes more and more of a piece of shit to James, Kirk has that lookin his eye like, “are we even gonna be able to finish this record?”
Are you saying Kirk is the problem!? I think the reason Kirk isn’t fighting is that 9 times out of 10 these issues are totally ego based and not worth fighting about.
@@pergustafsson1155 no lol, I’m not saying Kirk is the problem at all lol, if anything he’s probably the most reasonable person in the band at the time.
Kirk speaks then Lars taps the table thinking, "if it wasn't for the camera's I would throw this at you and tell you to GTFO!" I think Lars and James are just toxic
Kirk just wants to have fun and play music, kirk and rob are the two who are the sit aside and not join in alot, they just wanna play music and have fun, but it makes sense why james and lars take it personally when its literally their lifes work basically
@@thebunnieskiller Dave is his own Genre like Ozzy. No one cares who Ozzy's new drummer or bassist is ect.. Mustaine is the band and whoever He decides to be with is good enough fool.
Kirk was the only one to make a smart statement, keeping himself out of the problem and saying out loud the other 2 had huge ego issues and need to resolve them
Everyone in the comments really doesn't understand what was going on, they lack the empathy. When James said "I'm more important than Metallica" he saw his normal life slipping away, he loved his wife and kids and hated the man he became because he was an alcoholic. He needed to work on his issues in his life and was saying "hey right now I need to work on myself." Lars was frustrated because he was losing something that he is proud of, he created this huge metal band that will never be forgotten and at that point in time he thought it may just end. He had been with James from day one and he thought he would lose him. They both were just hurt and were expressing their points of view. I do think Lars should have allowed James to figure out his life's problems without pushing to make an album and if Kirk and Lars were not willing to wait they should have asked James to leave. In retrospect this was actually handled very well, James got the help he needed and they made the album regardless.
Agreed. James was going off the cliff to get himself together and he expects his long time friends to understand. Lars basically threw a two year tantrum about how he has always felt less-than in the band and in the friendship and he didn’t want to let it continue since it wasn’t him that was stopping the band to get it together. In my mind, this is AMAZING stuff and this band means everything to these guys! Most bands would just implode. Most bands break up rather than fight it out and come to love and understand each other and continue on. Granted, this band was/is a huge machine that a lot of people rely on for a living but still, the spirit of rock n roll has always been to implode. These guys broke the mold for a minute in time by hiring the therapist to assist them and get to the root causes of their problems and work it out. This man earned his money in this gig. Without his efforts, it’s possible that Metallica would have been done for. Then in walks Rob and they go on to make the best music as a unit since MOP.. 💯🙏
I think not. Urlich is feeling excatly this: 2:33 , he have a good moral compass. Hetfield is used to playing with others so he can get what he want. Lars is respecting others but always being frustreded BECAUSE no one give him this credit back, he is not self-centric jerk like James. Lars also have life but no one cares about what he is feel. And now look at this: Lars is being himself all the time, he is honest being truth even if somebody with not agreed with him. James all of he's lifetime was lieying, acting, fooling everyone and now he have a mental problems, he can't be himself no more. He must play this fuc*king star all the time. #teamlars #respecting #rules
@@czernm20 EXACTLY. Lars is actually the altruistic one in the video that get fed up about how everything had to be scheduled around James's feeling of the moment while Lars never had to stop or nobody cared about his feelings and his family duties as well to get Metallica going like it's always been this way and Lars just had to deal with that. When he says that Metallica and family duties can coexist, Hetfield just blew him off with a shitty ass response like Lars working 8 hours on a Metallica project means that Lars doesn't give a shit about his family. What a shitty thing to say. How is that supposedly make Lars the bad guy here?! Lars should have punched James in the face just for implying that Lars is a shitty dad .just because he wanted to spend time on Metallica's new music balancing his family duties.
Yeah, being able to show your fans the stuff that goes on behind the scenes (emotionally) is really hard. They see you as being immortal, legendary, exempt from pain, but your heroes are human too!
They all make sense bc they all have their own needs. True empathy is one of the most nuanced and difficult human conditions. Talking about it is difficult.
They are all gay. I knew as soon as I seen this shit. He’s in love with Hetfield. They all are. I was like wtf? Go back, and watch it. It’s all of them. They are literally in love with him. Not just friends. I’m telling you I was shocked. No wonder he’s n alcoholic.
@@spookshow6999 it didn’t ruined the band for you, it made you realize that your parasocial relationship and your fantastical idea of this band was shattered, it wasn’t their fault but yours for putting that assumption on them. You ruined the band for yourself by creating the idea that they’re these heavy metal rock gods and not normal human beings.
@@spookshow6999 to be fair, they weren’t like this early on. This was late into their career. They really were alcoholic angry young men with chips on their shoulder.
@Luke Bargowski when you're going through a lot of unhealty and bad attitudes by your bandmates, you don't pay attention to the things that you will loose if you leave, you have to do what is best for your self no matter the success or fame that you could get.
I wish Axl, Slash and Duff had done this back in 1995. GNR broke up for 19 years because of resentment like this. Lars and James spoke about their feeling rather keeping it all inside.
Everyone ripping on Lars for his whining should understand that he's the only reason the band still exists. He was the only one not afraid to be honest, even if he was insulting James. By being brutally honest with James, they were able to overcome their breakdown in communication and rebuild their relationship. Unfortunately for GNR, Axl never seemed to want to do this.
Lars was not wrong about the lack of interest in other people's desires. But James was sticking to his guns to get through his sobriety. Tough situation. I was fascinated with this when it came out and remain so to this day. Excellent documentary. In all honesty, these guys should be commended for putting in real work with this effort at such a late stage in life. You can tell that they're really trying to access their authenticity. That's harder than it seems unless you've spent time on the couch. The pressure of where they were in their careers and the stunted growth that comes with celebrity...it's honestly a miracle that this conversation even happened, let a lone for 1.5 years.
"When you sit here for 8 hours, and dont go home, i think he dosent give a shit about his Family" Eeeehm James, i hate to tell you this...all non rockstar people Work for 8 hours every day, and still care for their Family.
Old comment but I'll reply anyways. I think he was referring to being in a studio voluntarily instead of being with his family. Their circumstances are a little different. They can choose to either be in the studio or be with their family, it's not an actual JOB.
Lars said "if that's what it takes." He was referring to the effort you have to put in to make a quality record, not that he does not give a shit about his family. Why would that be a huge concern for James? It is not about "choosing to be in the studio." It is about the sacrifices of time in the studio to make quality music. Has anybody here had experiences with an alcoholic? My sister is one (over 1 year sober now) and they are extremely difficult to deal with, drunk or sober. It is amazing how the Hetfield fanboys still defend him to the bitter end and try to blame it all on Lars and Jason.
@@MrParkerman6 it's a proven fact that if you have to use "dumbass" twice in one comment that you in fact are the true dumbass. I await your response in which you say "but you just used it twice!!1!1!!1".
This makes me respect Metallica even more, because they're human. They make mistakes, they have flaws, and they have complicated thoughts, and emotions.
i was in a band with my brother and we had two guys that were always friction for eachother and us too... finally life happened and projects took them to other bands. my brother decided we would be a 3 piece and brought in our best friend to play drums for us. the next few years of the band were absolutely great.
Lars wouldn't still be in the band if Cliff was still alive. Or else Cliff would have left them for greener pastures. The man just had a way with music that surpassed the rest (perhaps not James, but certainly Kirk and Lars).
...or he would be open by any means to get the band communicate with each other again??? I'm not so sure that slapping people is always the best way to get people to get along...
I do think Cliff would have left the band around the time of the Black Album. Cliff reminds me of Terry Kath from Chicago. Sure, most would agree that Chicago went adult contemporary after Kath died, but anyone following Chicago's trajectory saw that they were treading down that path regardless of Kath's involvement. Lars and James were the primary songwriters of the group and the creative directors of Metallica. Burton would've likely called it quits when the band became more mainstream and abandoned the more avant garde style of thrash they played in the 80's. I think it was more likely that Cliff would've replaced Paul D'Amour in Tool than stayed in Metallica.
@@killwalker you gotta give it to him though, a short balding guy with a round face, huge forehead, weird foreign accent and dorky voice. shows the importance of having a clear vision in life and knowing how to get there
Everyone rags on Lars but really think how frustrating it would be if someone told you that you have to operate by their scheduled and can not do anything when they are gone.
Daniel Treadwell Lars is a known d bag but James was seriously acting like a bitch in this time period. Telling Jason he can't do anything but Metallica. Then telling Lars he can't even listen to their recordings unless he's in the room with them. Fuck that. I think the overwhelming success and money that came from the Black Album was a big part of why his attitude changed, and obviously the alcohol as well, but thankfully they all seem to have straightened everything out now. I've enjoyed both of their last 2 albums.
It was James being a control freak which was always his main issue - the fear of losing control. Lars is not very diplomatic in this clip and his attitude clearly escalates the conflict but it's probably built up over a long period of time.
@@Momoa786 they're both that way in their own ways. Lars is the reason metallica even exists. Without him there is no metallica, that's why they respect him and hetfield hasn't punched his nose in.
I think that what motivated James and Lars to create Metallica were two different things. Lars wanted to be successful and famous and James was running away from a lot of unresolved problems and anger from his childhood....they just so happened to become the biggest metal band in history and spent 20 years on top of the world. This is basically James waking up at 40 from a dream that started when he was 20 and realizing all the problems he was running away from were made worse in those 2 decades if he didn’t make a big change in his priorities....and Lars subsequently wanting to keep the train running
Well said, anyone that gets sober from a long addiction, it's like waking up from a chaotic dream. I can relate. It's a mind job and also why many choose to stay in the addiction. Facing yourself is no joke.
@@BoUrnNe26 James: I watched Cliff die. I was there... and I watched him die. I watched him get rolled over and crushed to death. I could've slept in that bunk... but I didn't.
Ramsés F. Yeah James Hetfield caused all the shit for Metallica. Hazing Jason and then creating all the drama which caused him to leave. He’s a true asshole
@@Grimeyhoob I know, but it's sad that people say great things about him and just talk shit about Lars. They blame Lars for Napster but then enjoy Spotify. They blame Lars for be "mainstream" but they love The Black Album. They make jokes about his drum skills but they enjoy all his work. And people talk about James like he's a God and just an innocent guy, but even he says that Lars is the reason why Metallica still existing.
@@Grimeyhoob Dude obviously you are blinded by the media he's not as much of a jerk he didn't at the time notice that he was bullying jason newsted and that's because he was still grieving the lost of thier bassist cliff burton and didn't even get a full six months in to do so which preferably is the minimum amount to grieve! Also he was very young and less wise but never noticed everyone messes up in life. And he was loaded on beer because the poor man was rushed into fame and his still had anxiety I mean he said to conquer it he would drink, drink, and drink to not get scared on stage!! So he's not purposely a jerk he's had a lot to deal with and to be honest lars and him are a lot like which often makes both against each other. So next time you think he is a bully, jerk, idiot, blah blah blah i mean dude he's had a lot and he never showed emotion and at the age he is now it's all spilling out....
Jules Meraki it’s within his personality, he is kind hearted individual. He didn’t talk as much as others did but went to the point when he addressed the issue between lars and james. I respect this guy.
Dude was one of the few people who had their head straight throughout the whole documentary. Lars and James are a mess, jason fuckin left, and good on em cause James was a dick to him, the therapist thought he was in the band, and bob basically just kinda sat there chiming in every now and then but he usually made it worse.
I was so pissed at the way Lars treated James after he came back from therapy. Couldn't he just cut him some slack and be more understanding?? He was so impatient and James was obviously shaken and vulnerable.
What they Don't show is james going in to check on Lars after he walked away and Lars thanked him for coming to check on him. The Book bye the Filmmakers is really Great , I've read it a few times
Imagine how Jason felt whenever he was in this mess. Fuck imagine how everyone was James was in rehab, pretty sure Lars had just got off of coke (might be wrong about the timing), Jason was addicted to pain killers and an alcohol, and Kirk had an alcohol and Heroine problem. I wanna say Rob was officially the first completely sober member but that’s probably not true because he used to be Ozzy’s bassist and Ozzy lost his mind.
@@worstghosthunting3466 I just saw an interview with Rob where he said him and Lars had been hitting the bottle hard the night before his audition. He also said he was hung over for the audition.
Yeah, imagine been kept from soloing in an album wich meant he couldn´t wrotte solos in over 9-10 years, the band you´re in is imploding, your leader is in bad shape rehabing, the band mannager is struggling to keep his shit together, there´s no bass player, the guy who produces the album is done with all that shit but is still the linkin point.
James saying Lars doesn't care about his family because he's willing to work 8-12 hours? Seriously, what world was James in here? He just described the schedule of every working family man that has ever existed.
True, but he has a choice. Us, regular folks, don't have millions on bank account that can give us freedom to work 4 hrs a day, or not work at all. So we have no choice but to work 8-10hrs a day, if we want to have food on table.
People who have to work 8 hours or more a day often complain later that they wish they could have spent more time with their little ones, watching them grow up. These guys equally spend months to a year on tour where they don't see their family at all. Yet most of all: They don't have to do that anymore. They became millionaires which could enjoy live without having to work for the rest of their lives, something everyone of us dreams about. So it's really a matter of "either or". Either you want to focus on your family or you want to continue on working on the legacy of Metallica. All the people here complaining about how James and Lars complain about their work time don't seem to get that compared to them we don't have a choice. They do. And it's even more astounding that they still decide to work then.
Trev Moran James was still doing rehab and therapy at this point. When you've spend maybe a total of a year with your family and the past three or four years. James point was after all the stuff he was going through or doing he just wanted to spend more time with his family. Can you honestly blame the guy?
Exactly hetfield was being a complete bitch this entire scene (and most of the movie) I'm so sick of people bitching about lars and praising James when James is more immature and selfish than Lars ever thought of being.
So James goes to rehab and comes out and has to come back to this. Most people would have ended up drinking by the end of the day after this conversation.
Seriously though lol most people judging James don't realize the shit he was actually going through at the time. People that have never been addicted to drugs/alcohol will hardly ever fully understand what goes through an addict's mind, especially after sobering up after many years of addiction. People dont realize your brain _physically changes_ once you're addicted, and it takes a LOT of work and time just to get back to square one. The longer you use, the harder it is to quit. And he was an alcoholic for well over a decade.
And i dont say that in a bad way..Thats what the treatement he went throught do to you.. Like Hetfield said many times: "They tear you down and build you back up." He kinda got stronger as the album(Stanger) got closer and closer to finish, but to me, he was never really the same after. And thats a good thing for him, i guess.
Watching this scene again many years after first seeing the doc, my main takeaway was that while Lars and James both had very defensible positions, no one in the room (including James and Lars themselves) seemed to have the skills to help them communicate their points of view in a way that could have led to some sort of compromise or better mutual understanding. Rock is trying, but it's pretty clear he doesn't know how to communicate something as simple as "If 4 hours isn't enough, can we come to an agreement that James would still be comfortable with and would get everyone closer to happy" or "Lars, what I'm hearing from James is that he's very vulnerable - he wants to do the band but needs to feel like you care about his wellbeing" etc etc And Phil Towle - jeez. What the band needed here was empathetic mediation to help solve a problem, not generic "how does that you feel" questions thrown out to James and Lars. Turns out the guy didn't even have any formal qualifications as a psychiatrist or psychologist - makes a lot of the scenes with him make a lot more sense on rewatching.
They were paying that huckster $40,000 a month. "We should honor the agreement the works not done. I have goals for all of you." Yeah, I bet you fucking do.
Towle was trying to instigate emotion out of them. It's poor tactic with people who are that fragile emotionally, but he's trying to get them to remove the filter. He wants them to say what they truly wanna say without holding back, but it's clearly not working. It starts to on Lars, but he gets more angry and upset with Phil prodding him than he does James who is clearly his real point of frustration. Also, at this point I think James, through his words and body language, makes it clear there was no compromise to be had right then. He wasn't backing down and if he had to insult, gaslight, shut down emotionally, or distract from that topic any way he could, he was going to. It's why he said "I'm more important than Metallica, and I'm sick of it being the other way around." I also think he felt that Lars genuinely didn't care about his progress and was just like "Yeah, lets get the album done and then we can..." and just kept pushing things off to get work done.
The temper tantrum Towle threw when they told him he was no longer needed told me all I needed to know about the guy. He gets paid a lot of money to sit around and spout off bullshit and when Metallica was done paying him to sit around to spout off bullshit, he threw a hissy fit.
Nice symbolism at the end where lars is walking around the ping pong table....its almost as if the message is "you should have stuck to tennis, look at you now"
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Kirk's over there adding the wah effect to their conversation in his mind
Ha! My favorite comment of the day.
LMFAO
Best comment 😂😂
Kirk's wah is the only thing left in Metallica that I can stand.
I guess Rob's bass is ok too but that's it
Ahahahahahahahahahaahahahahah
Lars has been chewing the same piece of gum since 1982
Eliza Sylvester lol’d
😂😂😂😂😂
And it’s a REALLY big piece from the sound of it
He chewing his tongue
Now he's sucking some toothpick...
They are really fighting over who is going to get custody over kirk
Lol
@Rat_kinG 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
*they are really fighting over Who Is going to get money over kirk
Lmao nice
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If you’ve never been in a band. This is what it’s like to be in a band. No matter how successful or not. This is every band.
"A band is the dysfunctional family you choose."
-Guitar Hero 2
So true. I always wondered what’s the key to success with your band. After 15 years of being in bands I know for sure that getting along with each other makes at least 50%. Every time me and my bandmates had a great opportunity, our egos blew it up. That’s sucks
Yep 4 or 5 egos who think there all right!!!!
As someone whos been in a lot of bands i can say this is just not true. Proper musos get along with each other and other easily othjerwise yo ucant have anysuccess as a musician. This is how bands who formed as teenagers and stay together for 50 years act. The ynever had to be musicians, theyre metallica members.
@@badm.dtrue
Kirk thinking: "I just wanna go home and play with my monster toys."
Richard Borchard 😂😂😂
Honestly, that's a mood. I would actually do the same in this instance as a comfort thing.
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Hahahah lol😂😂😂
lmao
Kirk's thinking "would Exodus take me back? “
Lol, this made my day
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Bro I fucking DIED reading this shit! 😂🤣
Underrated comment
"You guys have issues"-Kirk explaining everything.
+Sam Rader xD
Yeah, Kirk must've been the top of his fucking class
hahahaha,,,that part was hilarious
kirk taking the heat off himself after lars called him on being late too lmao, redirection works wonders sometimes.
The entire "Some Kind of Monster" documentary summed up in 4 words.
2:02 best drumming Lars has done in years
This is actual reason why James doesn't want to work more than 4 hours a day.
Evil
But funny
Hahahaha
Poor Kirk. He just wants to shred, surf, and smoke weed.
Kirk is a weed smoker? Please confirm.
Nope he's not. Actually he's a vegetarian
Cezary Szczepkowski Well, smoking weed is vegetarian
You've got the point😉
2 out of 3 isn't bad I guess...
Kirk should've stood up and said"My life style determines my death style!" Then sit back down and be quiet again.
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Or you flush it out twice
Kirk to James and Lars - "You guys have issues".
Inner Kirk - No fucking solos.
Lmao.....
Keep searchin
Kirks mentally thinking “I wonder if exodus needs a guitarist”
“You guys have issues.” That’s gold.
Timestamp?
@@datukareemaralling4832 1:50
Thanks Captain Kirk.
Kirk has stood at the sidelines since cliff died just seeing these two "James and Lars" ripping each other apart. it was a total power struggle. I feel for Kirk. he should have said "you two are being complete dicks to each other. get your shit sorted out" more often in these moments
@@shaunusmaximus7248 i sometimes think kirk is missing at least half of a testicle
This was so uncomfortable to watch when I was a teen, but having seen it over and over again as I've grown into an adult, and in therapy myself now, this was so raw and unfiltered, but most importantly, human. They weren't rock-gods, they were people like me. It solidified me as a fan not just of their music, but of them as people.
In retrospect Metallica were so ahead of their time by hiring a therapist when you consider how mental health had nowhere near the amount of attention compared to today.
So true
Best comment on this entire video. Couldn’t agree more.
@@JaziB they got so much shit for it especially in the metal scene but its a bit different today
@@JaziB mental health you mean weak
I love how every comment is about Kirk being a innocent kid when he’s the oldest in the band.
Dave Mustaine was born on September of 1961... Just saying...
@@ianmarkd.gestuveo4172 well, he's not in the band now, is he?
@@ianmarkd.gestuveo4172 well 9n that case cliff is the second oldest.
I think he’s the only one being mature in this clip, but maybe that’s just me.
@@pergustafsson1155 James and him. James is going to tell you like it is, he will give you that solid TRUTH while still maintaining maturity
Kirk: **I'd better add value or I'm out of the band**
Kirk: "you guys have issues"
This deserves WAY more likes. 🤣🤘🏻
@@cmoore1369 your comment deserves more likes
Lol
I love this comment lmao
LOL
Lars: Fighting
James: Fighting
Kirk: I do sometimes think the Chick-fil-A sandwich is better than the Popeyes sandwich.
@melonlord58 completely.
Me
you win the internet
GOLD!!!!
I agree with Kirk there.
6:12 just lars walking around with the noisiest jacket possible
RIGHT?!!! I can honestly imagine he bought it specifically to draw attention to himself. Trying out several in the store by pacing around rack of levis until he found one that annoyed everyone.
Random customer 4 aisles over: "Would you cut the shit and pick a fuckin jacket already before I jump in front of a bus?"
Lars: "Oh yeah...this is the one"
The gum wasn't doing the trick.
I think it cames from his pants.
Bob Rock: musician, producer, therapist
And Douchebag
Fenrir true, bob was a wanker
Seems like one
@@fenrir1070 Thank you!
And to some degree....home wrecker
No wonder why Mustaine got booted from the band. Could you imagine if Kirk wasn't there and it was Mustaine as the third guy in a conversation like this? Dave had way too much of a extrovert personality to last even if he wasnt a drunk back in the day.
@delreydavid They didn't bicker like this all the time early on. Dave was already an angry, violent drunk when he joined Metallica, and it's what got him booted from the band.
Dave just doesnt take shit from nobody. I mean who could ever stand Lars for decades, that behaviour probably preages you 10years
Dave smoked crack
@Dudeman Senior not with jh’s right hand
@delreydavid You need to see James' hatred after Newsted's arrival.
James and lars : * Arguing *
Kirk :Rob?
Rob : Yeah?
Kirk : Are james and lars getting a divorce
Rob : * Sigh * I-i don't know buddy we'll figure it out in the morning
Kirk : okay
They're literally getting divorced in the kitchen
@@JorgeGeorgeD Yep lol
Logan Blackfire haha
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Lol !
4:20 Lars is actually trying right here.
I agree 100% that it should never have to be just one choice and the rest is fucked.
There's always wiggle room when it comes to compromise and the problem we all have as people is that we like to make things more complicated to others because to us,having things a certain way is easier to us which isn't exactly fair to anyone else involved in your life and that's when self reflection has to take hold otherwise, nobody will grow to become adaptive and willing to learn and possibly grow.
1:00, Kirk is thinking:
(is this a appropriate time to have a banana or should I wait?)
HAHAHAHAHAH
I saw that when he was looking at the fruit jar.
MrParkerman6 should’ve eaten his Power Bar
That’s hilarious
hahahahahahahahahaahhahaha
kirk: “this would be a bad time to tell them about my struggle with the notes inbetween..”
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“They’re fuckin with me”
"You guys have issues" - understatement of the century.
"This century was about 83 years long" - understatement of the century
shut up kirk was putting out that they already had a lot of issues that were acumulated from their past
Should have brought Dave Mustaine into the room... Then you'd have the trifecta of issues. But I guess 20-30 years of letting shit slide, only stores it in the cupboard until someone opens the door.
The fact that these guys are still in the band together is wild
Money talks
James and Cliff were going to kick Lars out way back in '86. They didn't because Cliff died. You could cut the tension with a knife ever since.
@@kingbaby8761I never heard that story.
@@kingbaby8761Ridiculous rumours, not true.
That's because they're adults and they work through their shit they're not cry babies like you and the others that post on these videos
James and Lars are the parents, bob is the therapist, and Kirk is the poor kid
Bob = The family friend who thinks he knows what's best but ends up fucking everything up
Kirk= Kenny
Robert trujillo=uncle
Bob is the guy who made the family think he was helping but he was trying to be apart of the family and he screwed everything up
@@tristabriggs6665 he single-handed destroyed metallica. As soon as they got rid of him they got good again.
Why is nobody addressing the fact that Lars is sitting on the table?
geekrockrats he’s the boss lol
geekrockrats
So he is at eye level with the other band members
geekrockrats he’s sitting on James
@@johnpae4796 that took me a minute lmfao
Because he's Lars Ulrich ...
When the rest of the band is playing Lars sits. When the rest of the band is sitting, Lars ultra sits.
When everybody is in bed, Lars sinks into the ground
@@itwontcomeout5678 yo I didn't even know this comment received any likes! Thanks for commenting
Lars Ulsits
@@alanjamesh.zamorano1677 ZING
DUDE LMFAO
I remember when this documentary came out many fans and people were half puzzled and half joking about watching Metallica going to therapy. It sounded like a comedy sketch from Saturday Night live. Now, years later everyone needs to recognise that this documentary made a lot for men's mental health. If people as hardcore as Metallica can talk openly about their feelings, why can't all the men in these world.
It's just rich, bored "Rockstars" talking "openly" knowing the camera is on them. Hardcore! This is an embarrassment.
@@goodquestion1105 Being a rich rockstar doesn't negate mental health.
@@Bergstaller01 true, it just increases access to help exponentially.
Yo amen. This comment is seriously one of the most intelligent things I’ve come across on TH-cam lately. Thank you. Serious shit here!!
Mental health is bullshit.
They’re just overly entitled & emotional males.
kirk is sitting their thinking about fingering more guitars
triforce1980 wah's*
triforce1980 I think he was probably missing his wah pedal and playing solos on the album, to be honest.
How gay can sarcastic millennials be 😁
TCB * how annoying are old fucks bringing in the millennial shit, plus your using an emoji which is a millennial thing to do soo?
Fingering more than Lars?
1:36
4:57
Jason tries desperately to reunite with Metallica
Jawwash Raji
Underrated comment. That was pretty damn funny man
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Bro one year later and I’m dying here this is hilarious
I fucking lold
😂😂
Does anyone see Aaron Paul possibly playing Lars in a movie about Metallica?
I se the lame ass manguera, you really want to punch his face.
Snare bitch!
@@jessiegarcia9410 😂😂 Nice One
I can see it
Oh shit totally
6:07 Bob is having a serious talk with the rest of the band about how after working with the band for years he still can't feel comfortable calling them his friends.
Meanwhile the camera crew is filming Lars pacing around a fucking ping pong table cooling off after his little conniption to the sound of the loudest pair of track pants on planet earth.
This comment is GOATed
Seriously
He won't call them friends because they pay him very very very well. And well deserved by bob..can I ask you a question? Why the hell is bob there anyway?
@@natoprox4974Between the Black Album and St. Anger, Bob was the producer. Bob knew everything that was going in the band and everything individually. Bob saw 1st hand what Metallica was going through.
Can you imagine how funny it would've been if Kirk plugged in his amp during this conversation and started playing Symphony of Destruction.
Would've been gold
2/10 didn’t even chuckle
No....
@@alexandralopes1157 Platinum😂🤘
Look, you need to take this seriously and understand that they're under so much pressure because when they go home they have to listen to their kids in their room playing Megadeth WAY TOO LOUD
Lars: fighting
James: fighting
Kirk in his mind: “what’s for dinner?”
*giving himself trivia on horror facts*
*breaking down their arguments in his head*
5:19 kirk: " what in the hell is he wearing!!"
Lol
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Lol 🤣
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after watching this again i realized that how people like Lars are actually needed for a band. He is absolutely right when says to James that he shows up late then it's supposed to and James knows it too. everybody accuses Lars with being greedy, showman-ish, etc. but somebody has to deal with band's non-music related stuff and Lars just does that perfectly imho.
James Imposes a 4 hour window of WORK because of HIS problem. Doesn't want to take ownership of it. He shows up late. When he gets called out for it says IN THE PAST you showed up late. Totally not owning if it did happen in the past it wasn't when somebody imposed a 4 hour work window on the band. No wonder Dave Mustaine Kicked James ass.
The thing is though, I really wish they could get somebody else to say it, because the only person that likes hearing Lars talk is Lars.
Then he should step aside and manage it and retire as a drummer but about 4 decades too late
4 hours is suspiciously close to the amount of time a drug addict has until he needs to score again, unprofessionally AF
@@Ukraineaissance2014 wtf are you even talking about. You've either never been an addict or have no idea how it works because this is the dumbest shit I've ever read. I was an IV heroin and coke addict for over a decade and I can promise you there's no 4 hour timer to be "suspiciously close to the amount of time goes by until an addict needs to score again" this is the kinda 3head uneducated crap I'd expect to hear on Fox News or from a 3rd grade education level idiot.
Kirk is like a child watching his parents marriage fall apart. Like he’s totally neutral, and probably agrees with Lars / James on a lot of things and doesn’t want them to fight anymore, and sometimes as Lars becomes more and more of a piece of shit to James, Kirk has that lookin his eye like, “are we even gonna be able to finish this record?”
Are you saying Kirk is the problem!? I think the reason Kirk isn’t fighting is that 9 times out of 10 these issues are totally ego based and not worth fighting about.
@@pergustafsson1155 no lol, I’m not saying Kirk is the problem at all lol, if anything he’s probably the most reasonable person in the band at the time.
Its like Richard Wright between Roger waters and David gilmour
Kirk speaks then Lars taps the table thinking, "if it wasn't for the camera's I would throw this at you and tell you to GTFO!" I think Lars and James are just toxic
Kirk just wants to have fun and play music, kirk and rob are the two who are the sit aside and not join in alot, they just wanna play music and have fun, but it makes sense why james and lars take it personally when its literally their lifes work basically
I can picture mustaine watching this and laughing
Yeah cuz his band always kept the same line-up
thebunnieskiller Exactly. If someone starts bitching their out. Just like any job, if you suck then bye bye
@@thebunnieskiller Imagine if they did this whole thing after each member was kicked out lol
@@thebunnieskiller Dave is his own Genre like Ozzy. No one cares who Ozzy's new drummer or bassist is ect.. Mustaine is the band and whoever He decides to be with is good enough fool.
Skeene _6 if Dave disagrees with his band mates he fires them instead of trying to resolve it like Metallica. He’s a child.
That chewing noise Lars makes has haunted me for nearly 20 years
It’s been 21 years now. Still hear his chewing? 😂
This is better than any reality TV. I just wish Dave Mustaine did reaction videos to these
You want the reaction of a former Junkie?
Kirk was the only one to make a smart statement, keeping himself out of the problem and saying out loud the other 2 had huge ego issues and need to resolve them
5:18 Kirk: dude, what are you wearing??
Should have been asking "dude, why aren't you being a therapist?"
Jajajajjajajajaja this is the best one
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Or hes like. Dude. Is that a thong?
Hahahahahahahahaha
Everyone in the comments really doesn't understand what was going on, they lack the empathy. When James said "I'm more important than Metallica" he saw his normal life slipping away, he loved his wife and kids and hated the man he became because he was an alcoholic. He needed to work on his issues in his life and was saying "hey right now I need to work on myself." Lars was frustrated because he was losing something that he is proud of, he created this huge metal band that will never be forgotten and at that point in time he thought it may just end. He had been with James from day one and he thought he would lose him. They both were just hurt and were expressing their points of view. I do think Lars should have allowed James to figure out his life's problems without pushing to make an album and if Kirk and Lars were not willing to wait they should have asked James to leave. In retrospect this was actually handled very well, James got the help he needed and they made the album regardless.
Agreed. James was going off the cliff to get himself together and he expects his long time friends to understand. Lars basically threw a two year tantrum about how he has always felt less-than in the band and in the friendship and he didn’t want to let it continue since it wasn’t him that was stopping the band to get it together. In my mind, this is AMAZING stuff and this band means everything to these guys! Most bands would just implode. Most bands break up rather than fight it out and come to love and understand each other and continue on. Granted, this band was/is a huge machine that a lot of people rely on for a living but still, the spirit of rock n roll has always been to implode. These guys broke the mold for a minute in time by hiring the therapist to assist them and get to the root causes of their problems and work it out. This man earned his money in this gig. Without his efforts, it’s possible that Metallica would have been done for. Then in walks Rob and they go on to make the best music as a unit since MOP.. 💯🙏
I think not. Urlich is feeling excatly this: 2:33 , he have a good moral compass. Hetfield is used to playing with others so he can get what he want. Lars is respecting others but always being frustreded BECAUSE no one give him this credit back, he is not self-centric jerk like James. Lars also have life but no one cares about what he is feel.
And now look at this: Lars is being himself all the time, he is honest being truth even if somebody with not agreed with him.
James all of he's lifetime was lieying, acting, fooling everyone and now he have a mental problems, he can't be himself no more. He must play this fuc*king star all the time.
#teamlars #respecting #rules
@@czernm20 EXACTLY. Lars is actually the altruistic one in the video that get fed up about how everything had to be scheduled around James's feeling of the moment while Lars never had to stop or nobody cared about his feelings and his family duties as well to get Metallica going like it's always been this way and Lars just had to deal with that. When he says that Metallica and family duties can coexist, Hetfield just blew him off with a shitty ass response like Lars working 8 hours on a Metallica project means that Lars doesn't give a shit about his family. What a shitty thing to say. How is that supposedly make Lars the bad guy here?! Lars should have punched James in the face just for implying that Lars is a shitty dad .just because he wanted to spend time on Metallica's new music balancing his family duties.
Very well said.
You absolutely nailed it
Lars's thighs scraping together as he walks around the ping pong table is the best beat he ever played
This is one of the greatest comments I’ve ever read
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Bro give Lars some respect man.
You gotta respect them for the braveness to show all this
PR
Yeah, being able to show your fans the stuff that goes on behind the scenes (emotionally) is really hard. They see you as being immortal, legendary, exempt from pain, but your heroes are human too!
something that pop,kpop and rap would never see
royal24 if you’ve ever been through mind struggles, depression or addiction you would have known that money, fame and all that means fuck all
Brave? or......being so disconnected that you think this is a good idea
I guess Lars was never taught that tables are for glasses, not asses
stfu
I saw this video of him eating a sandwich in the studio, he couldnt keep his mouth shut while chewing, that was disgusting.
That's exactly what I was thinking! My parents used to say that to me when I was a kid!
@David Anderson Nono, he just pointed out cringe.
James is the table
having a band is like being married, it will either end very quickly or it will last long enough to go through therapy sessions like these
OMG! ACCURATE
right on the money comment.
feu : we'll talk about about you in a minute...right now we're discussing Metallica .
This is very true.
Good grief you hit the nail on the head. With a sledgehammer. Twice.
A band is like any family on earth - good times and bad, easy times and rough. I respect these guys so much for being so open about it.
2:02 Still better than Drums on St.Anger.
"To live is to die" Intro
@@lucasdamianzarate9492 lmaooooo
Am I the only one that likes that fucking song? 🤣🤘🏻
@@lucasdamianzarate9492 lmaoo too good
You Bastard ahahhahahah ahahahah this comment is gold!
I love Kirk's hand pointing at 1:50. I'm gonna start doing that whenever I talk with any two random people.
Lmaoooo
😭😭😭
shit hit different man
Kirk is the only person that makes any sense in this entire vid.
What about Bob Rock (the person who wanted James and Lars to stop arguing).
I think Lars actually makes a lot of sense here
They all make sense bc they all have their own needs. True empathy is one of the most nuanced and difficult human conditions. Talking about it is difficult.
Try the entire movie. Lol
UltraViolence74 Lars also makes sense. James is super selfish and is an asshole. He fucked over Jason and is the reason Jason left.
James is like the moody tired dad, and Lars is the 4'11" mom that thinks she's 7'0.
And Kirk is their kid going through it all😭
They are all gay. I knew as soon as I seen this shit. He’s in love with Hetfield. They all are. I was like wtf? Go back, and watch it. It’s all of them. They are literally in love with him. Not just friends. I’m telling you I was shocked. No wonder he’s n alcoholic.
I had to literally stop watching the Netflix show. It completely ruined the Band for me to see wtf they really are. So bizarre. Go back, and watch it.
@@spookshow6999 it didn’t ruined the band for you, it made you realize that your parasocial relationship and your fantastical idea of this band was shattered, it wasn’t their fault but yours for putting that assumption on them. You ruined the band for yourself by creating the idea that they’re these heavy metal rock gods and not normal human beings.
@@spookshow6999 to be fair, they weren’t like this early on. This was late into their career. They really were alcoholic angry young men with chips on their shoulder.
1:41 Kirk: uuuggghhh here we go again
4:57
Jason: "Let me in. LET ME *IIIIIIIIIN* !!"
Let's use the plastic blade, okay?
Jason left the focking band ! Period l explanation point !
@Luke Bargowski when you're going through a lot of unhealty and bad attitudes by your bandmates, you don't pay attention to the things that you will loose if you leave, you have to do what is best for your self no matter the success or fame that you could get.
Damn, you had me dying
This deserves waaaaaay more likes lol
I wish Axl, Slash and Duff had done this back in 1995. GNR broke up for 19 years because of resentment like this. Lars and James spoke about their feeling rather keeping it all inside.
Guns n Roses should have listened to Stiltskin more
100% agree. Although I would say it needed to occur in 1991 while Izzy was still present.
Everyone ripping on Lars for his whining should understand that he's the only reason the band still exists. He was the only one not afraid to be honest, even if he was insulting James. By being brutally honest with James, they were able to overcome their breakdown in communication and rebuild their relationship. Unfortunately for GNR, Axl never seemed to want to do this.
At least that gave us the masterpiece that is chinese democracy
I feel like Axl would just storm out but I agree they should've tried
Lars was not wrong about the lack of interest in other people's desires. But James was sticking to his guns to get through his sobriety. Tough situation. I was fascinated with this when it came out and remain so to this day. Excellent documentary. In all honesty, these guys should be commended for putting in real work with this effort at such a late stage in life. You can tell that they're really trying to access their authenticity. That's harder than it seems unless you've spent time on the couch. The pressure of where they were in their careers and the stunted growth that comes with celebrity...it's honestly a miracle that this conversation even happened, let a lone for 1.5 years.
"When you sit here for 8 hours, and dont go home, i think he dosent give a shit about his Family" Eeeehm James, i hate to tell you this...all non rockstar people Work for 8 hours every day, and still care for their Family.
+Peter Mikkelsen exactly my thoughs when he said that, people work 10 hour, 12 hour days, some go away from home 2-3 weeks for work.
Old comment but I'll reply anyways. I think he was referring to being in a studio voluntarily instead of being with his family. Their circumstances are a little different. They can choose to either be in the studio or be with their family, it's not an actual JOB.
Lars said "if that's what it takes." He was referring to the effort you have to put in to make a quality record, not that he does not give a shit about his family. Why would that be a huge concern for James? It is not about "choosing to be in the studio." It is about the sacrifices of time in the studio to make quality music. Has anybody here had experiences with an alcoholic? My sister is one (over 1 year sober now) and they are extremely difficult to deal with, drunk or sober. It is amazing how the Hetfield fanboys still defend him to the bitter end and try to blame it all on Lars and Jason.
Thats what I was thinking
dylan160w you'd never cut in music by saying, "it isn't a job." Tell that to any musician and they'll spit on you for such an absurd comment
Kirk is me whenever people are debating in my classes
@this senator dude,comment is not for fucking each other
@@ryugantenkhehe leave Armstrong alone
@this senator wtf
@@joooanit0224 lol ye
1981: joins band so never has to punch a timeclock
2001: band argues about being late punching the timeclock.
He didn't Join, dumbass. He co-founded it, dumbass.
@@MrParkerman6 ok chill out edgelord
@@MrParkerman6 it's a proven fact that if you have to use "dumbass" twice in one comment that you in fact are the true dumbass. I await your response in which you say "but you just used it twice!!1!1!!1".
@@MrParkerman6 don't be a dumbass, dumbass
@@blue-tb2fd stfu
This makes me respect Metallica even more, because they're human. They make mistakes, they have flaws, and they have complicated thoughts, and emotions.
I love watching videos where James and Lars are arguing and you see Kirk in the background wondering why he is there
jacob shove he never wonders why he is there. He avoids being an asshole simply and not to get into arguments
same
"How did I ended up here?"
He's thinking about shredding with his wah
It took me three and a half minutes to realize that this wasn't a gum commercial.
Samuel Gardner this is how it feels to chew 5 gum
Samuel Gardner This was before Lars was sponsored by the toothpick industry
3:30 minutes? Mate!? You’re too slow
Kirk: "You guys have issues, that you need to work out" I like Kirk he is a really cool dude.
i was in a band with my brother and we had two guys that were always friction for eachother and us too... finally life happened and projects took them to other bands. my brother decided we would be a 3 piece and brought in our best friend to play drums for us.
the next few years of the band were absolutely great.
Im sure that if Cliff were around, he would slap their faces and tell them to get a grip
Lars wouldn't still be in the band if Cliff was still alive. Or else Cliff would have left them for greener pastures. The man just had a way with music that surpassed the rest (perhaps not James, but certainly Kirk and Lars).
...or he would be open by any means to get the band communicate with each other again??? I'm not so sure that slapping people is always the best way to get people to get along...
Matthew Hadden do you jackass?
I do think Cliff would have left the band around the time of the Black Album. Cliff reminds me of Terry Kath from Chicago. Sure, most would agree that Chicago went adult contemporary after Kath died, but anyone following Chicago's trajectory saw that they were treading down that path regardless of Kath's involvement. Lars and James were the primary songwriters of the group and the creative directors of Metallica. Burton would've likely called it quits when the band became more mainstream and abandoned the more avant garde style of thrash they played in the 80's.
I think it was more likely that Cliff would've replaced Paul D'Amour in Tool than stayed in Metallica.
You’re acting like cliff wouldn’t have issues with them as well
They walk into the room-
“Alright guys have a seat”
Lars: looks round, sees plenty of chairs.
Also Lars: sits on the table.
He does it for a good reason, it signals he has the moral high ground so to speak
@@leob4403 that's not how that works. Taking a dominant position in conversation, usually implies "asshole"
@@killwalker Lars Ulrich is short so ge gets up on the table to show dominance and taking the role as alpha male
@@leob4403 as opposed to sitting at roughly eye to eye like normal people do? Like I said, "asshole" lol. Him. Not you.
But I still like the guy.
@@killwalker you gotta give it to him though, a short balding guy with a round face, huge forehead, weird foreign accent and dorky voice. shows the importance of having a clear vision in life and knowing how to get there
Everyone rags on Lars but really think how frustrating it would be if someone told you that you have to operate by their scheduled and can not do anything when they are gone.
Daniel Treadwell Lars is a known d bag but James was seriously acting like a bitch in this time period. Telling Jason he can't do anything but Metallica. Then telling Lars he can't even listen to their recordings unless he's in the room with them. Fuck that. I think the overwhelming success and money that came from the Black Album was a big part of why his attitude changed, and obviously the alcohol as well, but thankfully they all seem to have straightened everything out now. I've enjoyed both of their last 2 albums.
It was James being a control freak which was always his main issue - the fear of losing control. Lars is not very diplomatic in this clip and his attitude clearly escalates the conflict but it's probably built up over a long period of time.
james was in early recovery here. He is very exposed in this movie. They should have not had a Documentary after his rehab.
mikey1974 hetfield
they were showed the early material of the documental and they agreed, i think the idea was to show what was really going.
...he did that with James where Jason was involved so.....
Usually a James guy but this is a rare instance I'm very much with Lars.
@@Momoa786 they're both that way in their own ways. Lars is the reason metallica even exists. Without him there is no metallica, that's why they respect him and hetfield hasn't punched his nose in.
james is such a selfish teenager trapped in the body of a grown man
I think that what motivated James and Lars to create Metallica were two different things. Lars wanted to be successful and famous and James was running away from a lot of unresolved problems and anger from his childhood....they just so happened to become the biggest metal band in history and spent 20 years on top of the world. This is basically James waking up at 40 from a dream that started when he was 20 and realizing all the problems he was running away from were made worse in those 2 decades if he didn’t make a big change in his priorities....and Lars subsequently wanting to keep the train running
Two years late to this but excellently put, sir!
Wow. Late as well but damn. You really nailed it.
Fourth late ass here, I just wanted to keep the chain going. Also nice statement, well put!
Well said, anyone that gets sober from a long addiction, it's like waking up from a chaotic dream. I can relate. It's a mind job and also why many choose to stay in the addiction. Facing yourself is no joke.
Don't you guys think Aaron Paul would play Lars in a possible movie?
Hey James start the song bitch
@@AP-ik2tl James: Lars. We need to rock.
@@BoUrnNe26 James: I watched Cliff die. I was there... and I watched him die. I watched him get rolled over and crushed to death. I could've slept in that bunk... but I didn't.
@@trannyturtle69696969 I'm trying to figure out how this relates to my comment.
@@BoUrnNe26 Both are Breaking Bad references.
It's amazing that at in lars's 30' s he looks like he's 13
If you take off his hat he would look 20 years older cause of that big ass forehead lmao
They were like 40s here too
@@JohnnyNada lmof 🤣🤣🤣🤣
30 🤣🤣🤣🤣they where 40 at the time
@@RandomPerson-ui3xv Gray hair + weight gain
It's hard NOT to feel the hostility in this meeting. So much tension between James and Lars
4:57-Jason Newsted desperately trying to rejoin the band.
xD
best comment here
LSweet2007 why the fuck would he ever want to do that?...
Loool
But rob is better haha
Love him or hate him, but Lars is the reason why Metallica still exists.
Can't think of a valid argument. So yeah I guess Metallica owe their existence to Lars
Ramsés F. Yeah James Hetfield caused all the shit for Metallica. Hazing Jason and then creating all the drama which caused him to leave. He’s a true asshole
@@Grimeyhoob I know, but it's sad that people say great things about him and just talk shit about Lars. They blame Lars for Napster but then enjoy Spotify. They blame Lars for be "mainstream" but they love The Black Album. They make jokes about his drum skills but they enjoy all his work. And people talk about James like he's a God and just an innocent guy, but even he says that Lars is the reason why Metallica still existing.
Ramsés F. James Hetfield is the true dickhead in metallica not Lars. James caused Jason to leave.
@@Grimeyhoob Dude obviously you are blinded by the media he's not as much of a jerk he didn't at the time notice that he was bullying jason newsted and that's because he was still grieving the lost of thier bassist cliff burton and didn't even get a full six months in to do so which preferably is the minimum amount to grieve! Also he was very young and less wise but never noticed everyone messes up in life. And he was loaded on beer because the poor man was rushed into fame and his still had anxiety I mean he said to conquer it he would drink, drink, and drink to not get scared on stage!! So he's not purposely a jerk he's had a lot to deal with and to be honest lars and him are a lot like which often makes both against each other. So next time you think he is a bully, jerk, idiot, blah blah blah i mean dude he's had a lot and he never showed emotion and at the age he is now it's all spilling out....
Kirk has to be the most stable dude in the room
Jules Meraki it’s within his personality, he is kind hearted individual. He didn’t talk as much as others did but went to the point when he addressed the issue between lars and james. I respect this guy.
Dude was one of the few people who had their head straight throughout the whole documentary. Lars and James are a mess, jason fuckin left, and good on em cause James was a dick to him, the therapist thought he was in the band, and bob basically just kinda sat there chiming in every now and then but he usually made it worse.
@@t-bagbagwell1327also, weed. Lots and lots of weed.
I was so pissed at the way Lars treated James after he came back from therapy. Couldn't he just cut him some slack and be more understanding?? He was so impatient and James was obviously shaken and vulnerable.
Sometimes it's just best to be the Ringo in the band and just stay quiet. High five Kirk
3:04 this complete lack of..... not only respecting other porns I view.
eternalRest 343 😂
Quotation marks, mate!!
Omg. Brilliant
lmfaoooooo
6:16 Why is Lars walking around James? So weird.
I see exactly what you did there 😂😂
I AM THE TABLE
to show dominance
I see Lars walking around a table tennis table but maybe thats just me.
@@grimlund The joke is that in the album Lulu one song has the line "I AM THE TABLE" in it.
What they Don't show is james going in to check on Lars after he walked away and Lars thanked him for coming to check on him. The Book bye the Filmmakers is really Great , I've read it a few times
Old Danish saying, if you walk around a ping pong table it reduces stress...
Uncle Fester I thought that friction was gonna set his clothes on fire
Hvad!?
Ha ha ha ha ha
Im Danish and i have never heard that
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ah yes the early 2000's when Hetfield used to dress like a car mechanic
kirks over there thinking “maybe jason had a point”
1:49 “You guys have issues”🤣🤣🤣 man I love Kirk
Poor Kirk he’s been in the band 2-3 less years than them and he always seems separate.
He is just not a drama queen and he doesn't care about this kind of stuff
He's doesn't have the mentality of a 15 year old like James and Lars do.
Imagine how Jason felt whenever he was in this mess. Fuck imagine how everyone was James was in rehab, pretty sure Lars had just got off of coke (might be wrong about the timing), Jason was addicted to pain killers and an alcohol, and Kirk had an alcohol and Heroine problem. I wanna say Rob was officially the first completely sober member but that’s probably not true because he used to be Ozzy’s bassist and Ozzy lost his mind.
@@worstghosthunting3466 I just saw an interview with Rob where he said him and Lars had been hitting the bottle hard the night before his audition. He also said he was hung over for the audition.
@@stinkyham9050 Oh shit I had no idea about that, that explains why they both kinda sound like they feel like shit
04:06 - Not that I'm a Lars fan in this, but that some truth right there.
Im a Lars fan. I find the dude absolutely hilarious plus he speaks facts when the rest cant figure shit out
1:40 Kirk: where the fock did I left my wha?
lmao
poor kirk looks miserable lol
he looks like my dog when I grab keys and head towards the door lol
Yeah, imagine been kept from soloing in an album wich meant he couldn´t wrotte solos in over 9-10 years, the band you´re in is imploding, your leader is in bad shape rehabing, the band mannager is struggling to keep his shit together, there´s no bass player, the guy who produces the album is done with all that shit but is still the linkin point.
@ Daniel reeve He was channeling his inner-George Harrison circa 1969 Let it Be Sessions...
He is too nice for crappy people in the comment section
3:30 Did Rob walk into the room with his bass on full blast?
James saying Lars doesn't care about his family because he's willing to work 8-12 hours? Seriously, what world was James in here? He just described the schedule of every working family man that has ever existed.
Sounds like a True Moron with that comment.
True, but he has a choice. Us, regular folks, don't have millions on bank account that can give us freedom to work 4 hrs a day, or not work at all. So we have no choice but to work 8-10hrs a day, if we want to have food on table.
People who have to work 8 hours or more a day often complain later that they wish they could have spent more time with their little ones, watching them grow up. These guys equally spend months to a year on tour where they don't see their family at all. Yet most of all: They don't have to do that anymore. They became millionaires which could enjoy live without having to work for the rest of their lives, something everyone of us dreams about. So it's really a matter of "either or". Either you want to focus on your family or you want to continue on working on the legacy of Metallica.
All the people here complaining about how James and Lars complain about their work time don't seem to get that compared to them we don't have a choice. They do. And it's even more astounding that they still decide to work then.
Trev Moran James was still doing rehab and therapy at this point. When you've spend maybe a total of a year with your family and the past three or four years. James point was after all the stuff he was going through or doing he just wanted to spend more time with his family. Can you honestly blame the guy?
Exactly hetfield was being a complete bitch this entire scene (and most of the movie) I'm so sick of people bitching about lars and praising James when James is more immature and selfish than Lars ever thought of being.
Funny how they have hired a therapist but Bob is the one doing all the therapy
So James goes to rehab and comes out and has to come back to this. Most people would have ended up drinking by the end of the day after this conversation.
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Seriously though lol most people judging James don't realize the shit he was actually going through at the time. People that have never been addicted to drugs/alcohol will hardly ever fully understand what goes through an addict's mind, especially after sobering up after many years of addiction.
People dont realize your brain _physically changes_ once you're addicted, and it takes a LOT of work and time just to get back to square one. The longer you use, the harder it is to quit. And he was an alcoholic for well over a decade.
This scene was before he went to rehab.
@@MrParkerman6 No after..What you see here, is the new Hetfield version, all weak from the rehab process.
And i dont say that in a bad way..Thats what the treatement he went throught do to you.. Like Hetfield said many times: "They tear you down and build you back up."
He kinda got stronger as the album(Stanger) got closer and closer to finish, but to me, he was never really the same after.
And thats a good thing for him, i guess.
This band has been through so much and the fact they’re actually still making music together shows they really do care for each other and their music
They sound like a therapy session with a family.
At that point they were a band for 20 years so they were a family basically.
And they were in therapy, that other guy in the table besides them and Bob is Dr. Phil, the therapist who helped them in that period
um...thats what it was
A perfect example of artists placing too much importance on their own existence
Kirk : I wonder if Dave will still Take my Place
Watching this scene again many years after first seeing the doc, my main takeaway was that while Lars and James both had very defensible positions, no one in the room (including James and Lars themselves) seemed to have the skills to help them communicate their points of view in a way that could have led to some sort of compromise or better mutual understanding. Rock is trying, but it's pretty clear he doesn't know how to communicate something as simple as "If 4 hours isn't enough, can we come to an agreement that James would still be comfortable with and would get everyone closer to happy" or "Lars, what I'm hearing from James is that he's very vulnerable - he wants to do the band but needs to feel like you care about his wellbeing" etc etc
And Phil Towle - jeez. What the band needed here was empathetic mediation to help solve a problem, not generic "how does that you feel" questions thrown out to James and Lars. Turns out the guy didn't even have any formal qualifications as a psychiatrist or psychologist - makes a lot of the scenes with him make a lot more sense on rewatching.
They were paying that huckster $40,000 a month. "We should honor the agreement the works not done. I have goals for all of you."
Yeah, I bet you fucking do.
I believe at some point Towle even wanted to try his hand at writing lyrics, most likely to get a cut of the royalties. The band said no.
Towle was trying to instigate emotion out of them. It's poor tactic with people who are that fragile emotionally, but he's trying to get them to remove the filter. He wants them to say what they truly wanna say without holding back, but it's clearly not working. It starts to on Lars, but he gets more angry and upset with Phil prodding him than he does James who is clearly his real point of frustration.
Also, at this point I think James, through his words and body language, makes it clear there was no compromise to be had right then. He wasn't backing down and if he had to insult, gaslight, shut down emotionally, or distract from that topic any way he could, he was going to. It's why he said "I'm more important than Metallica, and I'm sick of it being the other way around." I also think he felt that Lars genuinely didn't care about his progress and was just like "Yeah, lets get the album done and then we can..." and just kept pushing things off to get work done.
@@Nobiemon Thank goodness. Could you imagine him of all people writing lyrics for a band, especially a band like Metallica? Jeez
The temper tantrum Towle threw when they told him he was no longer needed told me all I needed to know about the guy. He gets paid a lot of money to sit around and spout off bullshit and when Metallica was done paying him to sit around to spout off bullshit, he threw a hissy fit.
Cut to... Spit Out the Bone, haha... how far they've gone since then.
Kirk is like a kid watching his parents argue over whos taking him to school
Nice symbolism at the end where lars is walking around the ping pong table....its almost as if the message is "you should have stuck to tennis, look at you now"
It's a Danish Superstition that walking around a table tennis table relieves stress, dumbass!!!!
@@MrParkerman6 get the fuck outta here you don't know shit kid
Yeah, it’s a Danish superstition dumbass!
Yeah, look at him now. A famous, multimillionaire drummer for one of the biggest bands of all time. Poor guy......
@@TheInvisibleMan420 lol