PAINT TALK: Water Mixable Oil Paint - Everything you need to know
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Hi, I am the son of two artists and began painting in my hometown of Richmond, Virginia before I could walk. I was a rare combination of artist and athlete so I moved to Los Angeles in 2008 to play football for USC. I left the team my sophomore year to focus on painting and filmmaking, applying the same focus and discipline from my football career to my art. I primarily work in oils, and spend most free days painting "en plein air" in my new home of Sarasota Florida.
This video literally changed my life. I was a fine arts major in college with studio focus yrs ago. I learned oil painting but then I got asthma and covid and.. I've been really really sick and I missed painting. I had no idea there was non toxic oil! Thank you sooo much for covering this!
Even tho you can use water instead of turpentine, water mixable oil paints are still toxic, some colors more than others.
@@JJ79_ Pigments with cadmium is still toxic. But only by ingestion, no fumes. Don't eat your paint like Van Gogh and you'll be fine.
@@JJ79_ they don't cause fumes like paint thinner, just don't eat the paint with toxic pigments.
I remember trying them about 30÷ years ago..when my aunt was allergic to oils for about 20 years...didnt love them..
@@marjoriejohnson6535 I think they have come a long way since, you should give the Artist line from Cobra a try :)
I absolutely love my water mixable oils. They're just so pliable. You want them to dry like acrylics? Use water. You want them to behave like regular oils? Use linseed oil. No more smelly solvents, no more toxic mediums.
These paints are NOT water based.
I’m just a novice painter, started with acrylic and wanted to learn oil, so I’m no expert here but I wanted to recommend the W&N water mixable thinner. I use both the Holbein and W&N water mixable paints and thought I could just use water. As someone who was just learning this caused a great deal of frustration. I have found that the thinner works way better for me. I do have the W&N water mixable linseed oil too, but I haven’t used it yet. Clean up is great, I simply use warm soapy water (dish soap) with a silicone (?) make-up brush cleaner that suctions to the bottom of my sink. I do use inexpensive brushes and they don’t appear to be getting torn up, but I really don’t paint with oils very often. So happy I found your channel. It has been really helpful!! Thanks so much!
I know it is kinda randomly asking but do anybody know of a good site to watch newly released series online ?
@Roman Jaxx lately I have been using FlixZone. Just search on google for it =)
@Cayson Cooper Definitely, been watching on FlixZone for years myself :D
@Cayson Cooper Thank you, I went there and it seems like they got a lot of movies there =) I appreciate it!
@Roman Jaxx Glad I could help xD
I love water mixable oils! My favorite brand is Cobra. I get headaches from turperntine. I started using wmo 20 years ago. I have some really old ones and the paint still looks fine.
Do you use the cobra mediums. I saw on other videos it says not to mix it with water but sum say it's ok?
That's good to know. I'm just starting out using Cobra and Artisan paints.
Question: If these are available, why does anyone use traditional oils? Just habit? What they came up using? I'm curious. Thanks for the video, btw. I just started a large piece and moved to these paints as a better blending option as the acrylics were drying too fast to blend well. :)
Might because they’re more popular and easy to find!
I just like traditional oils and because of the massive amounts of mediums for oils that are established you can do crazy textural things, extend dry time or shorten it etc. You get a lot more leeway than just water I find even with the weird water soluble mediums that are out there it’s different. Plus most professional grade paints that are heavily pigmented and just plain nice they don’t make water soluble versions I’m pretty sure like Vasari etc.
@@AssistantLeaflet Do I detect a hint of superiority/snobbery here?
Most artists are amateurs, painting for personal enjoyment and your arguments are not appropriate to them.
@@philiptownsend4026 I’m just explaining why people still use traditional oil paints and mediums as you can do more with it. There’s also just less water soluble oil paints that exist and some traditional brands are just higher pigmented is all.
For me personally, I started painting with traditional oils in art school (and I’m sure most do bc they don’t know water soluble exists at first). And oil painting can be pretty expensive to get started so once I had all my colors, I didn’t want to reinvest in getting all my colors in the water version.
But now that I know I can use them together, I may start to slowly convert to water soluble as my older tubes run out.
This is the most underrated painting channel on youtube. I just found your channel yesterday and have been watching all your videos! keep up the great work Coach!!!
I have to say, having watched a lot of artists on YT, your statement is absolutely true...
You find this comment on EVERY channel the commentor is a big fan of. But WHY is it underrated? I think it's very well rated and appreciated.
Hi Coach, I've noticed that Water mixable oils work best on acrylic gesso. By contrast, oil primed surfaces can bead up if there is a lot of water in the paint. Seems like the slightly absorbant acrylic gesso allows better coverage in the first thin layers. Have you noticed this with thin washy layers?
You can use oil paint over acrylic gesso, but you can’t use water soluble paint over oil. I learned that the hard way.
I enjoyed this video: on the molecular level.
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"I'm going to go now". Love the awkwardness of it.😅
“... because regular oil paints haven’t been changed ON THE MOLECULAR LEVEL”
I don’t know why but I laughed that too much lmao
Excellent content as always dude, keep this going on, really appreciate it! 👍🏻
I found it to be very sticky and difficult to clean brushes. Anybody else?
Depends on brand. Georgian I find more sticky.
WMO are standard oils with an additive. You can buy that same additive in medium form to make your own regular/favourite oils into WM oils.
It’s made by Schmincke and is called ‘Medium W’ - it works by mixing 2 parts oil to one part Medium W. There’s probably other mediums by other companies available now that do the same, but Schmincke was the first and the one I remember.
Thanks for that information Kyomii. I didn't know such a thing existed. I started painting after I retired from teaching(science and mathematics) and find itvery relaxing but I'm on a steep learning curve at the moment.
@@johncartwright4041 I’m only surprised you haven’t been hitting the kitchen lab cooking up your own😉
Really??? That would be awesome!
thank you!
HEY WHY AM I ALWAYS EARLY GANG IM SUPPOSED TO BE DOING SCHOOL BUT I CANT GET ENOUGH OF UR CONTENT T_T
Hello!! I recently did the switch from regular oil paints to water based due to a smaller living space and I can barely tell the difference between them experience-wise!
I do have a question that has been bugging me that I hope someone can answer:
Once traditional oil paints dry, they can be reactivated by using turpentine - will water based oil paints be reactivated with water once dried? Is there any other way to be able to reactivate the paint? Thanks a lot in advance!
Can I please know if water mixable oils smell ? Cuz I live in a tiny apartment with no windows and I couldn’t handle regular oils
I'm just moving to WMO and this video is a great introduction. I have health problems from years of studio chemical use and these paints have kept me going. Thank you for the awesome content!
Dude, can’t wait for the Cage painting to be done because if you do prints I’m buying!!
As a watercolorist I’m very excited about this 😏
I found that if I did thin with water (before I knew better) the colors would have a dull look once they dried.
I use food grade walnut oil from the grocery store for my medium.
I quit regular oils after another bout with pneumonia. No need to risk my lungs around thinners.
Water soluble oil paint also comes off your clothes in the wash.
I use Windsor and Newton and Cobra.
If you use food grade walnut oil, use organic. Someone told my friend they used a cheap one and the painting rotted. I have never had problems using organic. Or use Windsor and Newton artist walnut oil or water mixable medium.
Thanks going to look into this myself!
@@underfire987 use organic, no additives. Someone claimed using food grade would cause paintings to rot but I have had no issues with it. If you want to be certain, you can buy specially made walnut oil medium at art stores.
Are they still water soluble if you use walnut oil? I thought you have to use one of the water soluble mediums?
@@BurntWeeny435 walnut oil is slow drying. It doesn't change the nature of the paint. walnut oil alkyd medium has a tiny bit of alkyd which speeds up the drying time but doesn't affect the water soluble aspect of the paint.
Thank you! I have the Winsor/Newton’s wmo and this helped me understand them better. Now they’re not so intimidating lol
I’ve been using Cobra WMO. You can use water to thin the paint instead of mineral spirits according to the manufacturer (Royal Talens) in the Netherlands and in their videos . I started with Winsor & Newton but found they were student grade and had too little pigment and so switched to Cobra which has the same amount of pigment as their Rembrandt line. It is a nice buttery, creamy consistency.
Great videos. I just purchased some of these paints last week. I don't like all of the cleanup involved in oil painting and the smell bothers me. I have allergies to stuff, so I thought I would try out these water soluble paints. I'm happy to hear they can be mixed with water.
Got my first set of water mixable oil paints (lukas berlin) today. Tried on my own and the behave like acrylic. I used not enough paint. Watched your video and then i worked like you showed it. Totally different experience compared to acrylic or watercolor.
I could also recommend the gamblin gel. Very easy to use.
They ARE oil paint. I found the best way is to use a wmo medium, and/or wmo thinner. Once you use regular linseed oil you can’t clean your brushes with just water. So I think it pays to go WMO all the way. Paint, medium, thinner etc.
First day of painting: _squeezes entire tube of paint onto the pallet for a 4x6inch painting_
After years of wasting expensive paint: _squeezes half a drop of paint onto the pallet 300 times_
Professional artists: _gets exact portions of paint every time…blindfolded_
A tale as old as time! :)
If I had a dollar for every time I put too much oil out and a dollar for every time I put not enough acrylic out, I'd be able to buy ALL my art supplies 2x over... :/
Wow this is helpful thanks - oils minus the fumes and all the extra products, sounds like a great idea
Great video. Personally, I prefer Daler Rowney Georgian Water mixable oils and Jackson's own brand Aqua Oils over the Artisan. Yet, found that Artisan Thinner is way better than water to thin paints.
I use Artisan thinner with Artisan Water Mixable Oils. I now use eye-dropper to determine how much thinner I am using.
I use schmincke medium w and this converts traditional oils into water mixable oils and use it with all brands including Michael Harding oils I tend to use the gel version compared to the fluid oil version I don't know if you can get it in the USA
Water mixable oils are more granular not buttery like oils.. especially when your water content is more
I love watercolors and often wondered how oil painting works with all of the tools involved. I think i would want to try one of these
I love water mixable oils so much! Thanx for the demonstration.
Great information!! What is that painting behind you? Looks like Democrublicans and Republicrats ..... I always love your videos and paintings thank you!
As always, great and very helpful video! Thanks Chris 🙌🏻
Ummm...I usually love your videos but we will have to agree to disagree on this one! I have made a lot of paintings using the water soluble oils and I would tell people to mainly use the water soluble medium as the manufacturer suggests, simply because then there is no problem with weird beading, the paint flows so much better and there are less issues of getting the paint too thin and watery so it won't adhere properly.
I'm mostly commenting for people new to the media who might be confused by the "just use water" suggestion.
I read on the Windsor site, use their linseed oil. I would think the water soluble part is for cleaning up with water, not using water to thin the paint.
@@elementgypsy Exactly!👍
I just use water with the water soluble oil too! I have been for about 3 years now. So far I haven’t seen any archival problems with my finished paintings.
I'm just starting out and really enjoying your channel. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience.
Do you know if the Gamsol Solvent Free gel actually water mixable/soluble or just solvent free? I know you can use non water mixable stuff with water mixable olls and they maintain their water mixable propreties until you combine too much.
Since I'm using water mixables for cleaning as well as toxicity - the challenges of living in a small NYC apartment the water solubility for cleaning makes a difference.
Thanks again!1!!!
Nick Cage in all his expressive glory was a tad distracting, but great video and thanks for the demo!
Hi Chris,Is it ok to enroll your foundations of oil paint class with water mixable oil? Altho i want to try traditional oil paints,i have limited space and set backs.Thats why.
⁉️❓❓❓Can you paint acrylic over water mixable oil paint? I have an old painting that I never finished that it was with this type of oil paint. I’d like and preferred to paint over it with acrylic and finish the painting. I have used an acrylic varnish over the entire painting as an acrylic surface.. is this possible?
Hey Chris, question: when using these paints, do you still recommend using the brush dip after cleaning? Or would it not be necessary, since it seems the brushes can be rinsed in water? Thanks in advance! Love your channel!
I use warm soapy water, (dish soap) for clean up, but I also use inexpensive synthetic brushes. So maybe you would need to make that decision based upon the care of your brushes? Mine seem to be okay.
I would recommend using the brush dip just incase you didn't get all the paint out with the water
@@paintcoach will do--thanks coach!
I painted a picture about two weeks ago or more using oil paints. I didn't have any regular white oil paint so I had to use a tube of titanium white water soluble oil paint. The entire painting is now pretty much dry except for the areas where I used the most amount of white paint. What's going on? I have used this kind of water soluble oil paint before mixed with regular oil paints and had no problem. I'd hate to have to scrape it all off and re use the canvas. Have you had this problem before? The areas in white are as fresh now as they were two or three weeks ago!!?? I understand water soluble oil paint is supposed to dry faster than regular oil paint but that's not happening here!
I just wanted to ask can we add linseed oil and gamblin solvent free gel for watermixable oil paint with water together at the same time or do we have to wait after each medium is added.
“Hole-Bine” 😝
Really helpful to get a better understanding of the difference between water-soluble paints and regular oil paints. Thank you.
You said non toxic but most pigments are toxic, especially cadmium, cobalt and chromium
I love this. Thank you. I was afraid of oil. Now it seems doable.
Which varnish should be used on such water mixable oil paint? Help reply
I went with Cobra water/oils. No question they are a quality paint. If I had decided to stay with oils I would stay with Cobra. They are virtually no smell and act just like oils. I have gone back with Golden OPENs for reasons of drying time and they don't smell either. Because of my painting environment in my house not smell is a priority. Don't get oil painter that are using the likes of Liquin solvent and such. Oils by themselves are too much smell, Liquin is off the charts. It will make your paint dry fast but.....I would tell someone go with the water/oils. You really don't need to be breathing solvents.
You can use Linseed Oil. I am soo greatful that we can paint using oil paints without the toxicity. It is soo great!!
Do you like to use Alkyd medium? Is it an easier medium to transition for painters used to acrylics?
Not compatible for mixing with traditional Gamblin oil paints.
What is the drying time for the water soluble paint
I find they dry I about 4/5 days. They stay tacky for at least 3 days, but I live in Florida so the weather could affect it.
The link to the color mix is a broken link - can you share the complete link?
Holbein is an artist whose name you should have heard
I've never even touched oil paint, but I've been wanting to get into it for a long time. Do you recommend water mixable oil paint for a complete beginner? I'm realizing how expensive oil painting is, so I'm just tryna cut down the cost lol. I figure this would be cheaper than buying a solvent.
Sanaa The Great I would say they are about the same cost. I use the wmo now, but worked with regular oil paint for a long time. I find these water mixable are so much easier , and no smells, no toxic fumes.
Much nicer than dealing with toxic stuff, easy cleanup and washed off your hands and clothes easily.
Hey! Just wanted to let you know that I'm new to oil paint as well, all I've ever painted with was acryl, which is why I wanted a similar easy cleaning process. I'm currently practicing with the Lukas Berlin oil paint and all I can tell you, WMO really is the better option for beginners!
would it be ok to do an under painting with the water mixable oils? what are the drying times like for them? sorry if you already answered these questions in the video :/
Can you freeze these as well as regular oil paint?
Daler-Rowney Georgian Watermixable oil is good
Why do we need a medium when it’s water solvable? Is it just for a more smooth look?
Water dilutes the paint kinda turns it into watercolor, the medium makes the paint thicker and smoother like butter!
I read somewhere if your surface is primed with gesso or oil, the water mixable when it's thinned down will sometimes "run-off" or it will not cut through the surface, so the fix is to dip your brush to a bar soap "any soap" then to your paint!
What kind of paint do are you recommend?
May be you should try georgian water mixable oils.
Hey! Great videos very informative! Question- What paper do you recommend for water based oils? A primed gesso, oil paper, or just regular old mixed media paper? Thank you!!
i use
cobra study set, i like them and are relatively cheap
The toxicity on oil paint sis in the pigment not in the oil.
in art school they just tell you to mix with water lol…
Seems like a decent plein air option, thanks!
I’m here for the toxicity 😂 ☠️
Hi Chris Thanks a lot .I got a set of some basic water mixable oils which I haven't used for some time and I believe now I can do my underpainting with them and when dry ,paint over with oils. Am I right?
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Thank you for this helpful info👍
I just bought some Windsor & Newton water mixable oil paints for $2 at a yard sale, I knew nothing about them so thanks for filming and uploading this video!!!
How do you save h2o water based oil paint. Regular oil will freeze well.H2O got all crunchy and not useable . Thanks
I don’t know if this is a dumb question, but do oils and acrylics mix differently? I just got the 3 color set of cobra oil paint and it has yellow ochre/pyrrole red/ultramarine blue. I am struggling to mix basic colors as I typically work with lemon yellow/magenta/pthalo blue in acrylics. I simply cannot go back to acrylics because oils are so so so much better to work with (for me).
Does anyone have any advice for the yellow ochre/pyrrole red/ultramarine blue mixing techniques? Or should I just buy the colors I am used to mixing? Any guidance is much appreciated 🙏
Hey Coach, There is a great product to add to this process.It allows you to add REGULAR oil paints and this medium which makes oil paint into water miscible.It can also be added to water to make a thinner. They also now have a gel medium that does the same thing.
So this allows you to not invest in another system but you can use all your favourite oil paints and change to water miscible if travelling or just want the convenience.It is Schmincke Medium W. I love this and the gel for regular oil paints. Love you channel 🇨🇦
Hello Jan, could you tell please, if I thin regular oil paint with Schmincke W, can I mix water-soluble mediums into that, instead of water?
Great tip, thank you!
Hi Chris.
fat over lean, thin to thick concept question.
1. solvent/thinner>> paint >> linseed oil (fattest) or,
2. solvent/thinner >>little linseed oil>>paint (thickest.
what is the practical application of this? If paint is the thickest, pure paint would applied last. If the fattest is applied last, that would be paint + linseed oil?
Hi Chris, congrats on your channel. Im new to WMO and dont want to spend money on some medium so I just thin the paint with water but it.s difficult to calculate the amount of water between layers and also the time that the previuous one need to dry. I was used to acrylics so the intrincate thing was the blending and here is like the difficult part is not to blend everything. Hope this makes sense. Any tips?
Use an eye-dropper for however many drops of water needed.
@@MichaelBrooksmsb400 thanks!
DAmn I was hoping for some clarification regarding the finish of the paintings. Does one oil out the painting same as with "normal oil colors"? The get even shine? And does one use varnish also and wich one? Can you use the standard varnish oder do you need special varnish for water mixable oil paint?
Chris, thank you for the video. I tried oils and the smell was too much for me. Can you offer a comparison of the smell of the water soluble oil to regular oils?...Like, no smell to mild. Does the Gamblin product you demonstrate have any smell too? I use Liquitex acrylics and mediums and I don't smell them. Turpentine gives me headaches. Thank you very much.
Hello! Just found your channel and loved the great information. I just bought a set of water mixable oils for the reason that drying time is too quick with acrylics for what I want to achieve. How long is the drying time with these? Thanks!
H20s are fantastic - so much better than they were when they were first introduced. I'll never go back.
LOL its HOLE-bine.🤣
Thank you! Wonderful you make a video about this. I Wonder if it is ok to throu away paint and left overs in the usual trasch?
I have watched your videos before, and for the past few days have binge watched 😁! Yesterday I decided to try once again to oil paint, I used Winsor Newton water soluble and I textured the canvas with acrylic gel and glass beads. I used the techniques I learned from you and it worked! I painted with Cobalt blue, Magenta, Lemon yellow and white. It is a horse, my favorite subject! Thank you so much for sharing your skills young man! I appreciate it much! 😊🎶🖌️🎨
Need some help here. I just switched to water m oils . Now I know we can paint oils on an acrylic primed canvas but my question is should I apply water or linseed oil to the dried canvas before starting actually to paint? ?? Thank you!
This was a really good video. So...is there a downside to using the water mixable? Or is it just personal preference? I bought some and am hesitating to use it but i dont know why. I don't have any sensitivities to using regular oil or solvents I kinda like the smell of gamsol....hahaha
I would think the solvent free gel would stand in for the Turpentine. There is water mixable oils : linseed, safflower etc. Thanks for the video!
Is the Gamblin solvent free gel cleanable with water like the water mixable mediums?
Just to be clear. I can finish very old oil paintings with water based oil paint?
I receive Reeves water mixable oils as present for my birthday. Thank you for this video.
Thanks for the info and demo, it was helpful. 👍
No problem!
To do a large painting on canvas can I use acrylics for the first stage, then complete the painting with water soluble oil paint on top of the acrylic?
Holbein - 16th Century German artist! Maybe an art history book for your birthday! 😉
Wicked info coach. I use water soluble oil paint the like watercolors. I thin them with water and once the water dissipates, I am able to move the paint if I choose to.
Windsor & Newton advise against mixing water mixable with conventional oils.
I am acrylic artist and fairly new to mixable oil paint.
I love Lucas brand and cobra. 😊
Thanks for this informative video 😊
awesome, thanks, Im switching to water mixable oils for health reasons, will buy W&N! Happy New Year! Keep safe
I would love to know how the Daniel Smith water soluble oil paints hold up compared to the Holbein’s paints or the other ones.
I live near Seattle and love DS’s watercolors. I heard some people love the water soluble oil paints too, but I couldn’t find any comparison videos.
Great video, thank you!!!😃
For practicing or study purposes, will using the water soluble oil on a paper cause water-based warping?
Holbein like Hans Holbein!! Ha ha one of the most famous oil painters of all time