I'm no expert, but 1) It looks wildly unstable on finals, 2) They touch down beyond the touchdown zone and 3) They touched down with the nose gear first. I'm quite astounded they continued with that approach let alone attempted a landing.
You have to have special training to fly here, so not only are they experts, but experts at this particular location. This is actually a relatively tame landing, compared to other ones at this airport, which is known for strong winds and crazy landings. I’m surprised this even got any attention.
@@UnluckyPlantI'm not saying they are not experts but I don't think touching down with nose gear past the touchdown zone after an unstable approach is tame.
@@REEDFSX👍🏽Not tame, no. This is not a typical airport with typical circumstances. On top of that, the viewing angle is one that is further distorting what is going on. Usually, someone will post a video from overlooking the runway, that will give a better point of view. I’ve landed in planes in Alaska that regularly drift in at a diagonal through turbulence and have to slam on the brakes, before the runway ends into the ocean. I found those way more harrowing, than my experiences flying into Madeira, where people always clap at the end, happy to have landed safely. 🤷🏽♀️
Wth... it's like watching a horror movie ! For those interested, let me explain: 1) The approach is crazily unstable. Not necessarily because of the gusts already destabilising the aircraft but also because the descent path wasn't corrected soon enough - the aircraft is about 100ft RA over the threshold and about 50ft high over the aiming point. So already at this point you already execute a missed approch without any doubt. 2) The airplane floated all the way till the end of the touchdown zone (900m), and still touched outside of it. Such a long touch down already prompts you for a missed approach, which wasn't the case here. The result was a nose gear first touch down possibly causing structural damage (such an impact needs a report on the ATL). Basically there's nothing on this planet that justifies the continuation of an unstable approach, a go around is always the best way out of such a situation...
Uncontrollable fire or smoke, along fuel starvation, are examples of situations that would justify landing following an unstable approach. Don't think it was the case here, though.
@@Top10Aviation And very good additional information, I was not belittling your comment. Now put "Liberty Bell" over the clip and end with the foot coming down.... Maybe "Yakkity Sax" then end with Benny winking at a stewardess. In short limbs are still attached, take a breath and laugh if you can.... it helps.
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I remember flying into that airport in 1970 when the runway was much shorter. It was crazy windy and they handed out pillows and had the passengers get into the crash position. Peoples faces were white. I was 10 years old and loved it. It was like a carnival ride. This video sure was a crazy landing
I landed there as a captain about 300 times on the old runway (B727) and 30 times on the longer one (A310) Not once were the passengers told to assume the crash position! You're a liar!!!
As a captain of a well established UK airline, I know first-hand how challenging it can be to land in cross wind conditions. I will not pass any judgement on the captain as I know split second decisions need to be made, however after he or she performed this landing they no doubt would have called it differently.
But then you should also know that such drastic pitch changes warrants a go around, in this case from above 50ft by the looks of it. Especially when flying a jet. Forcing it to the ground this way was massively dangerous and I'm surprised the nose gear didn't collapse.
That’s what I also thought and this is the first comment I read that said so. We know nothing. It could have been its third attempt and low on fuel with equally risky diversion (alternate) options
Porto Santo with its excellent runway is five minutes away and normally has no crosswind issues. Maybe the pilot felt compelled to deliver the aircraft to LPMA, but in one piece!
@@x808drifter You can feel safe traveling with TAP. The chances of being in a plane crash are very low, currently standing at about 0.000014%. The worldwide AirLineRatings rating agency places TAP at level 7, on a scale of 0 to 7, in relation to the airline's safety.
Why? The chances of having another abort and inherent consequences grow exponentially, TAP pilots are mostly ex-air force pilots that later in their careers change to civil aviation, and therefore the amazing TAP safety record for a 85 year old air line, they're not afraid of taking tough decisions and stick to it.
@@mfelicio1 Not landing at all is also completely unsafe. Mid-air refueling is not an option. At some point, you have to land in the less than ideal conditions.
With that amount of headwind, and the aircraft being empty - as some said - probably not 'dangerous' in itself, but definitely way out of anything you could call a stabilized approach. I guess, in the end they landed with the ground speed of a Cessna 172. Look at the roll out: Probably 150 meters 🤣 But all jokes aside: Atrocious 'arrival' and should not have happened, even if the aircraft can take the beating...
In the nineties I met a young Stewardess from TAP, a gorgeous girl. She loathed landing in Madeira, never got used, and sometimes of Final she had to hide the fact that she herself was terrified and almost in tears... 😰 When the going was really bad she remained stressed and upset for hours after landing. I met her two years ago, she's still flying. 😬
Wow! I thnk TAP might have something to say to the crew about that one. But all sorts of factors come into play, its easy to say watching after the event they should gone around.
Oh wow, that was a crazy landing! Wow, Pedro...1.6M views!!!! That's amazing! I always like to watch mad landings but my heart is always in my mouth watching them lol!
As a pilot, I can tell you that this approach and bad landing should have resulted in a go-around and another try at a stabilized approach. It was bad.
I remember seeing the airport when visiting Madeira and the guide was so proud of it, didn't have the heart to say it's not much bigger than my local Asdas car park! Lovely place and really nice people
TAP Station Engineers should have had a lot of fun with the required inspections for structural damage after that one....and a nosewheel first touchdown like that can cause major damage. Pilots got lucky the plane tolerated it....should never have happened in the first place though, that kind of approach has so many "Go around" triggers one can hardly count...
I’ve flown into that airport before. From what I remember, from the opposite direction, part of the runway is suspended over the ocean. But it’s really windy there. As a matter of fact my flight out was suspended for three days because of weather. (I think Christiano Ronaldo was born in Madeira. It’s a beautiful island. I would rather go there again than Hawaii anyday.)
A lot of talent there. Something I was surprised to learn as a non-pilot was the goal is not to give a flawless, landing experience for the passengers, your goal is to place the aircraft on the runway
I’m no airline pilot but with PPL I flew a Piper PA28 Cherokee. I had qualified on a High Wing Cessna. Could I get the Piper to land. It just floated, and floated and floated. I can empathise!
Remember the Hudson river landing...the captain only managed because he literary trained that every week, as he was also senior simulation instructor for captains and knew how difficult that landing there is. He afterwards said that whenever he flies he is training for the worst scenarios he can find on that specific route, just in case.
I landed at Madeira for the first time about 25 year ago ... a work colleague who was ex-RAF had warned me, and sure enough the Pilot came in on a banked approach and then bounced it down amazingly close to the wall which used to be next to the narrow Airstrip back then. Only the Cabin Crew didn't SCREAM ... I know the runway has been changed since then, but I'm not keen on a return
@@MadeiraAirport I also knew a chap who was sent to help change a RAF Tornado Engine after a Birdstrike ... it made it to Funchal safely on one engine.
To all those commenting negatively on the TAP pilot's skills, bear in mind that the History Channel programme 'Most Extreme Airports' ranked Cristiano Ronaldo International Airport Madeira as the ninth most dangerous airport in the world and the third most dangerous in Europe. Pilots must undergo additional training to land on its single, rather uneven and rather short (2781 m) runway. The wind is extremely unpredictable. There can be very strong and rapidly varying crosswinds. Any landing that doesn't break the plane is a great landing.
@@MadeiraAirport Yes, TAP Flight 425, a Boeing 727-282, overran the runway and crashed onto the beach, killing 131 of the 164 people on board. A terrible disaster. At that time, the runway (runway 24) was only 1600 metres!
It looks like they ve messed up with the approach speed calculation, with this pitch. It’s either incorrect wind entered in FMS or an opposite runway since airbus would then increase the Vapp inappropriately due to GS mini function
No, it wasn't, it was totally safe, you call that a skilled CAPTAIN!!! Do you happen to know how many times this captain has landed in Madeira!!??? Camone do caralho
Holy crap my father was a military transport pilot, so I grew up flying around the world. That had to be one of the stupidest landings I have ever seen. This definitely should have been a go around.
How does one bring down the tail later after nose down first. Is it always with a bang 😀. Normal landing is on the tail and then I believe some adjustment of flaps to bring down the nose slowly.
The runway is not straight and leveled. It appears they struggled to lower the altitude because of higher airspeed. I think they were facing a strong wind. Actually, at 0:58 you can see two red and white wind indicators to the right of the runway.
Do yo think they may have come in a bit hot to allow for a wind shear that didn't happen? It's a curiosity question from a non airline professional pilot. Thanks.
@@pipercessna3827 No idea what happened before, but additional speed is limited to 15 kts. This should not upset an approach. Also nose wheel first is a clear indication, that they forced the landing from a very unstable position. No excuses: this should have been a go around.
@@micheldriessen5081Never _wheelbarrowed_ a landing in the smaller twins I flew and that didn't look good but I wasn't sitting up front so no idea what was happening. Appreciate the response from someone who flies a similar sized machine. Thank you. 👍
From the beginning of the approach , looks like no slightly angle of attack as usual when flaps are in extended position, means the pilot chasing the glide by pushing nose down due to to high on the glide path that cause high speed approach and un stabilized approach that lead in such a kind of landing.
Old Navy pilot here….this is a perfect opportunity to go around…..my choice after knowing conditions from first time was to do a flatter approach looking for the fence with a bit more speed and fine tuning the touch down.😎
The plane was being repositioned from Porto Santo. It was empty. As bad as it must have been for the nose gear, the plane was actually performing normal operations the next day.
But jokes aside, this airfield in Madeira is one of the most difficult places to land. You will need special training and permission from the Portuguese CAA to fly and land there. This aircraft is obviously struggling with the strong wind shifts and up currents.
All right, but the pilot can always go around and divert to _Porto Santo_ some ten minutes away, or even to the departure Aerodrome. Slamming the aircraft like that could have been avoided. In 1992 the crew from a DC-10 from Martinair was caught in a microburst while landing at Faro, LPFR. they hit so hard that the left wing came off, the aircraft overturned and caught fire. A lot of people was killed.
The flight I was on must rank highly. Short runway 1994. The cockpit had indication of no reverse thrust capability nearing landing. Insufficient fuel to divert. Fire tenders raced on parallel tarmac as we touched down as early as possible, all passengers braced expecting to overshoot the runway where a long drop awaited us. A fairly scary landing!
Only by flightradar24 registrations, This plane has performed the day before the flight TP1689 Lisboa-Funchal and after many holding patterns diverted to Porto Santo on a 4h30 flight meaning … 3h on holding. Then this should have been the flight TP9576 to perform the connection to Funchal … lets see how many days these plane would be grounded… main gear should have been subject to extreme forces…
I'm guessing this was an empty plane (ferry flight). It looked like a very light aircraft by how reluctant the aircraft wanted to descend with the airspeed it was given. I also refuse to believe that an experienced TAP crew would feel comfortable applying abrupt forward movement on the side stick with paying passengers in the back and elect to continue after overshooting the touchdown zone.
Classic case of "GetThereItis". They'd already spent the night in Porto Santo due to diversion and knew that another go-around could've messed up another days schedule and potentially spend another night away from home. The right thing to do was go around and try again, but just shows how even highly trained professionals still succumb to human impulses and commercial pressure.
@jocacole4557 They were positioning to Madeira to then do the flight to Lisbon full of passengers, and then the plane is required at Lisbon for later flights that evening, so yes there are.
@@jocacole4557 It didn't divert from Funchal to Funchal. It was lined up to takeoff and got called by maintenance to return to the gate and de-board. It's currently still at madeira pending inspection
I remember a similar experience at Funchal many years ago, before the runway was extended, a TAP 737 as I recall. The wind there can be unpredictable and we got in on the third go after two go arounds. At the end as we touched down, all the Portugese passengers clapped and applauded. Quite right too!
That was a mess on oh so many levels. Don’t know what CRM is like on TAP but someone should have shout go around way before they got near the hard stuff… Major tea and biccies moment required……
In LPMA only Captains do the landings. Who knows, probably the First Officer thought "well, that is going to be a complete mess but it's your landing, your problem..." and probably he wasn't psychologically prepared to urge the Captain to go around.
You'll break a Cessna even faster. I saw a few being damaged that way. The nose gear bent backwards, then the propeller hit the runway, damaging the camshaft...
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Dann bin ich aber froh, dass ich mit dem Schiff angereist bin.
You got me landing yesterday. I’ll give you a wave next time 👍🏻
Bindere Dundat here. I bet this and the Yemen airport are in the virtual systems that train pilots.
It's because of landing gear complaint, this only possible,
I'm no expert, but 1) It looks wildly unstable on finals, 2) They touch down beyond the touchdown zone and 3) They touched down with the nose gear first. I'm quite astounded they continued with that approach let alone attempted a landing.
as mentioned in the caption, the aircraft was empty. TAP pilots are crazy lol
Consider that it's windy AF and barely any planes landed yesterday, with over 40 cancelled flights.
You have to have special training to fly here, so not only are they experts, but experts at this particular location.
This is actually a relatively tame landing, compared to other ones at this airport, which is known for strong winds and crazy landings. I’m surprised this even got any attention.
@@UnluckyPlantI'm not saying they are not experts but I don't think touching down with nose gear past the touchdown zone after an unstable approach is tame.
@@REEDFSX👍🏽Not tame, no. This is not a typical airport with typical circumstances. On top of that, the viewing angle is one that is further distorting what is going on. Usually, someone will post a video from overlooking the runway, that will give a better point of view.
I’ve landed in planes in Alaska that regularly drift in at a diagonal through turbulence and have to slam on the brakes, before the runway ends into the ocean. I found those way more harrowing, than my experiences flying into Madeira, where people always clap at the end, happy to have landed safely. 🤷🏽♀️
Wth... it's like watching a horror movie !
For those interested, let me explain:
1) The approach is crazily unstable. Not necessarily because of the gusts already destabilising the aircraft but also because the descent path wasn't corrected soon enough - the aircraft is about 100ft RA over the threshold and about 50ft high over the aiming point. So already at this point you already execute a missed approch without any doubt.
2) The airplane floated all the way till the end of the touchdown zone (900m), and still touched outside of it. Such a long touch down already prompts you for a missed approach, which wasn't the case here. The result was a nose gear first touch down possibly causing structural damage (such an impact needs a report on the ATL).
Basically there's nothing on this planet that justifies the continuation of an unstable approach, a go around is always the best way out of such a situation...
Uncontrollable fire or smoke, along fuel starvation, are examples of situations that would justify landing following an unstable approach. Don't think it was the case here, though.
LOL it's like watching Monty Python,
For those interested, let me explain:
If you have to explain a joke, don't!
@@Ron-d2s except that it wasn't a joke, just some additional information
@@Top10Aviation And very good additional information, I was not belittling your comment.
Now put "Liberty Bell" over the clip and end with the foot coming down....
Maybe "Yakkity Sax" then end with Benny winking at a stewardess.
In short limbs are still attached, take a breath and laugh if you can.... it helps.
@@Ron-d2sSorry for misunderstanding your initial comment, all good no worries 👍🏼
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That’s a great clip. Would it be possible for me to use it for a short clip on my channels?
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@mentourpilot I am a big fan of your videos. Did you already do a clip based on this video?
I have NEVER seen such a landing. WOW. As I heard many years ago in flight school, "You can ALWAYS go around".
If it don't look right coming down.
@@troyandrade615 Don't wait untill You're sideways, maybe sliding on the ground
There are a lot of sayings people repeat in aviation even though they are completely false. You can't always go around.
@@A.J.1656 He's quoting a song, pal.
@@troyandrade615
Cool story bro.
F/O :- watch for the tail. It's 321.
Captain :- I'm going for the nose first then. 😂
Fucking hilarious comment.
Is this real or fake?
😂🤞 MMD
To land an A320 on the nose, with the tail hanging in the air, the speed must be way too high.
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@@sandaruransara4690 It's real.
I remember flying into that airport in 1970 when the runway was much shorter. It was crazy windy and they handed out pillows and had the passengers get into the crash position. Peoples faces were white. I was 10 years old and loved it. It was like a carnival ride. This video sure was a crazy landing
@@miro6017Opening year is 1964!
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I landed there as a captain about 300 times on the old runway (B727) and 30 times on the longer one (A310)
Not once were the passengers told to assume the crash position! You're a liar!!!
Liar!!!
Agora eu: Liar!!! 😂
You can almost hear the captain screaming, "C'mon, Get down!!" all the way down the runway, LOL
He is definitely doing some fancy dancing on those rudder pedal's!!!
He was definitely going: "BAIXO, CARALHO!" I can, as a Portuguese, 100% attest to that.
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Props to the front suspension engineer! 😂
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How was that not a go around, crazy.
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As a captain of a well established UK airline, I know first-hand how challenging it can be to land in cross wind conditions. I will not pass any judgement on the captain as I know split second decisions need to be made, however after he or she performed this landing they no doubt would have called it differently.
But then you should also know that such drastic pitch changes warrants a go around, in this case from above 50ft by the looks of it. Especially when flying a jet. Forcing it to the ground this way was massively dangerous and I'm surprised the nose gear didn't collapse.
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There was no split second decision here. Everything was wrong for minutes at a time.
Probably the pilot is another DEI hire.
@@MrDyhard always one guy with the political insult. Today that person is you.
Time to check if the noise gear is still in one piece.
They should have done a go around.
Nice catch Pedro! 👌🏻
If it is, I think will be indeed called "noise gear" from now on.😅
@@Mxaviair"Punch in the nose" gear. 😊
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That landing is absolutely atrocious, there was clearly a massive updraught but that should never have happened.
Supercalifragilisticexpiallidocious comment.
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Best video ever! I would not have wanted to be in that TAP! Great catch @Pedro
Very smooth too, some people have no clue how to use a camera... this guy gets it.
@@Ron-d2s yes, i agree! @Pedro is very good👋
Thanks so much my friend, still do not believe this video is real!
@@MadeiraAirporttrue! It’s amazing
Thank god it was empty !
The only plausible explanation for this weird and dangerous landing is that they were low on fuel. Critically low.
That’s what I also thought and this is the first comment I read that said so. We know nothing. It could have been its third attempt and low on fuel with equally risky diversion (alternate) options
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Porto Santo with its excellent runway is five minutes away and normally has no crosswind issues. Maybe the pilot felt compelled to deliver the aircraft to LPMA, but in one piece!
When I was training, we called that a "Wheelbarrow Landing". Nose first is extremely unpredictable and potentially very dangerous.
I'm not a pilot but I'm shocked that a competent crew would attempt that landing, correct me if I'm wrong.
@@REEDFSX Nope, you're 100% right.
Never flying Air Portugal.
😮😂😂
Being a professional pilot I'm very surprised the nose wheel didn't collapse.
@@x808drifter You can feel safe traveling with TAP. The chances of being in a plane crash are very low, currently standing at about 0.000014%. The worldwide AirLineRatings rating agency places TAP at level 7, on a scale of 0 to 7, in relation to the airline's safety.
It is absolutely insane this touchdown. Go Around and try again Captain!!!!!!
Why? The chances of having another abort and inherent consequences grow exponentially, TAP pilots are mostly ex-air force pilots that later in their careers change to civil aviation, and therefore the amazing TAP safety record for a 85 year old air line, they're not afraid of taking tough decisions and stick to it.
@@luistheserrano4785 If you think this is normal operation, you don’t understand nothing, especially Airbus operation.
Why, is the wind going to get any better the next time around?
@@redcapote4760 if the windy will be better doesn’t matter. Nobody will be put the aircraft using the nose gear first. It is complety unsafety action.
@@mfelicio1 Not landing at all is also completely unsafe. Mid-air refueling is not an option. At some point, you have to land in the less than ideal conditions.
That is absolutely insane. Never seen anything that bad in a long time. Way outside the tdz. Very dangerous
With that amount of headwind, and the aircraft being empty - as some said - probably not 'dangerous' in itself, but definitely way out of anything you could call a stabilized approach. I guess, in the end they landed with the ground speed of a Cessna 172. Look at the roll out: Probably 150 meters 🤣 But all jokes aside: Atrocious 'arrival' and should not have happened, even if the aircraft can take the beating...
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That was insane.
TOTAL INSANE!!!!!!!!!!
Still do not believe!
Thanks for capturing this Pedro..
Thanks so much, was an amazing day!
I few into Madeira in the early 90's on TAP. Passengers were screaming during the approach and slam landing. Cabin crew were openly laughing.
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In the nineties I met a young Stewardess from TAP, a gorgeous girl. She loathed landing in Madeira, never got used, and sometimes of Final she had to hide the fact that she herself was terrified and almost in tears... 😰
When the going was really bad she remained stressed and upset for hours after landing. I met her two years ago, she's still flying. 😬
Just crazy. They had to perform a go around. Great catch.
Grx. Henk
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Copilot: "There is to much wind, captain!"
Captain: "Dive! Dive! Dive!"
Nose gear: Ouch!
Man was diving like he bet his car and house on this landing.
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As a registered instructor for radio-controlled planes, I'm often heard to say, "Never dive for the runway." Also, "The nose gear is tender."
Anyone know the pilot in charge? Asking for a friend in HR at Ryanair.
What for? Tao be on the black list? lol
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'Kablammo"
Take that nosewheel...
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That’s what every landing on Spirit is like
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Man, you've got some of the best aviation videos out here.
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Wow! I thnk TAP might have something to say to the crew about that one. But all sorts of factors come into play, its easy to say watching after the event they should gone around.
They were well past the landing/touchdown markings AGAIN!
There will definitely be some paperwork for the captain to fill out 😅
they will say "congrats, tomorrow there's more"
Plane was empty, no passengers
@@tjanson1still fly standard operating procedures. No excuse.
Oh my goodness... Scary it was... Great capture mate 👏👏
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Chumbawamba! That was a doozy! That camera position was the best, Pedro. Always delivering the goods for us! 👏👏👏😊
Glad that i went to that spot, despite many don't like, but is the way we got this fantastic images!
Thanks so much for the kind support, always!
Great catch Pedro! The Captain forgot he was no longer an air force pilot 😅
what do you mean?? 😅🤣
@@pedronunz Há muitos comandantes da TAP que se formaram na Força Aérea e que depois abandonaram e ingressaram na aviação comercial.
Amazing filipe
@@luiscosta9183 eu sei… Só não sei onde ele foi buscar que na força aérea se faz destas coisas...
Airforce pilots don’t touch down nose first either. No one does on purpose (except maybe for air show stunts).
Saw this live, saw this video a couple of times and I still can't believe what I saw 😅
Indeed, i saw a dozen times, still not believe!
How great this video was Thanks Pedro as always for a great jo and for the pilots too
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Oh wow, that was a crazy landing! Wow, Pedro...1.6M views!!!! That's amazing! I always like to watch mad landings but my heart is always in my mouth watching them lol!
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As a pilot, I can tell you that this approach and bad landing should have resulted in a go-around and another try at a stabilized approach. It was bad.
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I fly the Airbus and I don’t know if I could wheelbarrow the airplane if I tried. Very impressive.
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I remember seeing the airport when visiting Madeira and the guide was so proud of it, didn't have the heart to say it's not much bigger than my local Asdas car park! Lovely place and really nice people
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Is the plane OK? Was it checked for potential structural damage after the landing?
No, it's not ok.
It was grounded, flew to Lisbon today empty
Nosewheel landing? Ohhh definitely a very wild landing!
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TAP Station Engineers should have had a lot of fun with the required inspections for structural damage after that one....and a nosewheel first touchdown like that can cause major damage.
Pilots got lucky the plane tolerated it....should never have happened in the first place though, that kind of approach has so many "Go around" triggers one can hardly count...
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I’ve flown into that airport before. From what I remember, from the opposite direction, part of the runway is suspended over the ocean. But it’s really windy there. As a matter of fact my flight out was suspended for three days because of weather. (I think Christiano Ronaldo was born in Madeira. It’s a beautiful island. I would rather go there again than Hawaii anyday.)
Hope you can visit us soon again :)
thats a crazy approach! really cool you were able to capture that. I wonder why they were so insisted on landing and not performing a go around
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A lot of talent there. Something I was surprised to learn as a non-pilot was the goal is not to give a flawless, landing experience for the passengers, your goal is to place the aircraft on the runway
I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but that wasn't a display of talent. Lol
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I’m no airline pilot but with PPL I flew a Piper PA28 Cherokee. I had qualified on a High Wing Cessna. Could I get the Piper to land. It just floated, and floated and floated. I can empathise!
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After this I won't complain about my landings on Flight Simulator anymore.
Same 😅
Remember the Hudson river landing...the captain only managed because he literary trained that every week, as he was also senior simulation instructor for captains and knew how difficult that landing there is. He afterwards said that whenever he flies he is training for the worst scenarios he can find on that specific route, just in case.
This looks like one of mine
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Wow never seen anything like this before
Me either!
I landed at Madeira for the first time about 25 year ago ... a work colleague who was ex-RAF had warned me, and sure enough the Pilot came in on a banked approach and then bounced it down amazingly close to the wall which used to be next to the narrow Airstrip back then. Only the Cabin Crew didn't SCREAM ... I know the runway has been changed since then, but I'm not keen on a return
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@@MadeiraAirport I also knew a chap who was sent to help change a RAF Tornado Engine after a Birdstrike ... it made it to Funchal safely on one engine.
Plane: WIDSHEAR AHEAD! GO AROUND, WINDSHEAR AHEAD! LONG LANDING! GO AROUND!
Pilot: Hold my beer!
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Wow, that was one crazy nose-down landing. Awesome capture Pedro!
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Absolutely crazy Pedro, Thanks for the great camera work and the great quality once more. 😊
Thanks a lot Ray, we miss you!!
To all those commenting negatively on the TAP pilot's skills, bear in mind that the History Channel programme 'Most Extreme Airports' ranked Cristiano Ronaldo International Airport Madeira as the ninth most dangerous airport in the world and the third most dangerous in Europe. Pilots must undergo additional training to land on its single, rather uneven and rather short (2781 m) runway. The wind is extremely unpredictable. There can be very strong and rapidly varying crosswinds. Any landing that doesn't break the plane is a great landing.
Yes, we are very dangerous, last accident in 1977....
@@MadeiraAirport Yes, TAP Flight 425, a Boeing 727-282, overran the runway and crashed onto the beach, killing 131 of the 164 people on board. A terrible disaster. At that time, the runway (runway 24) was only 1600 metres!
@@MadeiraAirportexactly! We flew in a couple of weeks ago and the landing was pretty smooth. A lot smoother than the landing back at Leeds Bradford.
Everything is A-OK here. He was clearly aiming for the touchdown zone. For the other one.
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What, the one in Porto Santo?
He was so desperate to land. Great capture mate ! 🙂👍
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Is there a V1 equivalent for landing? I don’t mean when to go-around but when you’ve committed to land whether there’s enough runway to stop.
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It looks like they ve messed up with the approach speed calculation, with this pitch. It’s either incorrect wind entered in FMS or an opposite runway since airbus would then increase the Vapp inappropriately due to GS mini function
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Left engine was about to touch the ground. The plane was about to drift off the runway. Why in the world they continued with that?!
Cockyness maybe?
No, it wasn't, it was totally safe, you call that a skilled CAPTAIN!!! Do you happen to know how many times this captain has landed in Madeira!!??? Camone do caralho
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Holy crap my father was a military transport pilot, so I grew up flying around the world. That had to be one of the stupidest landings I have ever seen. This definitely should have been a go around.
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Well done Pedro for catching this on video. This video-clip seems to be re-posted on many News publications around the World.
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You made it onto 3 Minutes of Aviation with this one!👌🏼😀
Bem feito👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
(I still love landing in Funchal though, miss the island so much😳😎)
He made it, not me, i sold the video
Inspection to that front landing gear please!!! 🙏
The plane is grounded, I wonder why 😂😂😂
It was inspected indeed!
I would be driving, sailing, or walking back to where I came from after that experience.
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Please tell us that would've been a go-around if there were passengers on board...!? 😱
No passengers
So the lives of the crew does not count?
With passengers that was for sure a go around!
@@MadeiraAirport Does that mean that the life of the pilot, co pilot and the crew is meaningless?
@@ruinunes8251 It means that procedures with passengers are different. And by the way, this airplane was not in danger anytime!
How does one bring down the tail later after nose down first. Is it always with a bang 😀. Normal landing is on the tail and then I believe some adjustment of flaps to bring down the nose slowly.
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The runway is not straight and leveled. It appears they struggled to lower the altitude because of higher airspeed. I think they were facing a strong wind. Actually, at 0:58 you can see two red and white wind indicators to the right of the runway.
Intense crosswind indeed!
Amazing catch, my friend!
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I am a frequent flyer with TAP, also airline pilot with another company, and consider them very proficient . Exceptional situation.
Do yo think they may have come in a bit hot to allow for a wind shear that didn't happen? It's a curiosity question from a non airline professional pilot. Thanks.
@@pipercessna3827 No idea what happened before, but additional speed is limited to 15 kts. This should not upset an approach. Also nose wheel first is a clear indication, that they forced the landing from a very unstable position. No excuses: this should have been a go around.
@@micheldriessen5081Never _wheelbarrowed_ a landing in the smaller twins I flew and that didn't look good but I wasn't sitting up front so no idea what was happening. Appreciate the response from someone who flies a similar sized machine. Thank you. 👍
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Amazing Pedro 😮😊
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From the beginning of the approach , looks like no slightly angle of attack as usual when flaps are in extended position, means the pilot chasing the glide by pushing nose down due to to high on the glide path that cause high speed approach and un stabilized approach that lead in such a kind of landing.
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How in the world did they land with the front part first!? Glad they were safe!
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Fantastic, but is it possible to a vidéo from thé original spotting area ??
I was the only camera on that day
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Probably the captain was shortly before retirement and was thinking "Yaaaaa let's do this!!!!!" :-D LOL
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0:16 childhood sound🥹
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Old Navy pilot here….this is a perfect opportunity to go around…..my choice after knowing conditions from first time was to do a flatter approach looking for the fence with a bit more speed and fine tuning the touch down.😎
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The plane was being repositioned from Porto Santo. It was empty. As bad as it must have been for the nose gear, the plane was actually performing normal operations the next day.
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Seu canal também foi publicado no país. Estou na Tailândia, acabei de ouvir as notícias.🎉❤
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But jokes aside, this airfield in Madeira is one of the most difficult places to land. You will need special training and permission from the Portuguese CAA to fly and land there. This aircraft is obviously struggling with the strong wind shifts and up currents.
All right, but the pilot can always go around and divert to _Porto Santo_ some ten minutes away, or even to the departure Aerodrome. Slamming the aircraft like that could have been avoided.
In 1992 the crew from a DC-10 from Martinair was caught in a microburst while landing at Faro, LPFR. they hit so hard that the left wing came off, the aircraft overturned and caught fire. A lot of people was killed.
@@duartesimoes508 You are totally right! I am sure chief wasn't all that happy, and crew has a lot of explaining to do.
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We are flying to Madeira with TAP next month. Better prepare for a wild ride 😂
Was smooth?
The flight I was on must rank highly.
Short runway 1994.
The cockpit had indication of no reverse thrust capability nearing landing. Insufficient fuel to divert.
Fire tenders raced on parallel tarmac as we touched down as early as possible, all passengers braced expecting to overshoot the runway where a long drop awaited us.
A fairly scary landing!
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I dont know where this is, but it looks absolutely beautiful there, and oh, nice capture.
Venue is on the description
I think TAP chief pilot will want a word with this captain soon to be first officer 😮
Soon to be grounded at least.
@@sirisapet3931 It should
@@sirisapet3931 Bulshit.
And what if it was the TAP chief pilot?
@@apveening well, he can ground himself then 😂
They landed past the touchdown zone with nose landing gear touching down first, they should have initiated a go-around!!!
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First time I've seen a nose first. Looks like they had to force it down. Force it to land.
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Just shown this to my pilot son. He was surprised, but said it happens. The problem is an empty plane and a massive change of wind.
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Great Job. Thanks. ❤
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Unless it was very low on fuel, it should have gone around for another try.
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If I had done that in my PPL Training, my FI would have beaten me out of the plane...
exactly my thoughts
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I am suspecting the crew got a phone number to call for not declaring go around...
A phone call from ryanair
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wow touching down after the last key in windy conditions is astonishing
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Impressive, right on the centre line. What more could you ask for?
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Only by flightradar24 registrations, This plane has performed the day before the flight TP1689 Lisboa-Funchal and after many holding patterns diverted to Porto Santo on a 4h30 flight meaning … 3h on holding. Then this should have been the flight TP9576 to perform the connection to Funchal … lets see how many days these plane would be grounded… main gear should have been subject to extreme forces…
I'm guessing this was an empty plane (ferry flight). It looked like a very light aircraft by how reluctant the aircraft wanted to descend with the airspeed it was given.
I also refuse to believe that an experienced TAP crew would feel comfortable applying abrupt forward movement on the side stick with paying passengers in the back and elect to continue after overshooting the touchdown zone.
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The only possibility for this should have been that the fuel was extremely low
Not even for a go around or so
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Attitude indicator all brown = bad.
Attitude indicator all brown when you should be flaring = worse.
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💥 LIKE thank you!!! .. that's really great
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Nice job however, what if an upward tip on one those wings was missing, would the plane only fly in circles?
Will crash
These pilots broke all the rules. The landing was a shambles. They should be suspended if TAP is a professional airline.
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Classic case of "GetThereItis". They'd already spent the night in Porto Santo due to diversion and knew that another go-around could've messed up another days schedule and potentially spend another night away from home. The right thing to do was go around and try again, but just shows how even highly trained professionals still succumb to human impulses and commercial pressure.
no pax onboard, no commercial pressure
@jocacole4557 They were positioning to Madeira to then do the flight to Lisbon full of passengers, and then the plane is required at Lisbon for later flights that evening, so yes there are.
@@GarethReecewood actually no, cs-tjq was bound to lis and diverted to fnc. but whatever
@@jocacole4557 It didn't divert from Funchal to Funchal. It was lined up to takeoff and got called by maintenance to return to the gate and de-board. It's currently still at madeira pending inspection
@@GarethReecewood i didnt say it diverted from fnc to fnc. i’m saying it left pxo to lis and diverted to fnc, hence this landing
Who ever made the nose wheel just got free advertising for the strongest nose gear made. That is one tough built plane.
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I remember a similar experience at Funchal many years ago, before the runway was extended, a TAP 737 as I recall. The wind there can be unpredictable and we got in on the third go after two go arounds. At the end as we touched down, all the Portugese passengers clapped and applauded. Quite right too!
Real pilots :)
That was a mess on oh so many levels. Don’t know what CRM is like on TAP but someone should have shout go around way before they got near the hard stuff… Major tea and biccies moment required……
In LPMA only Captains do the landings. Who knows, probably the First Officer thought "well, that is going to be a complete mess but it's your landing, your problem..." and probably he wasn't psychologically prepared to urge the Captain to go around.
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The pilot forgot he was flying an Airbus and not a Cessna 😂
If you nosewheel first a Cessna your props in the runway!
You'll break a Cessna even faster. I saw a few being damaged that way. The nose gear bent backwards, then the propeller hit the runway, damaging the camshaft...
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