This 15 SEER Heat Pump changes EVERYTHING | 2024 Bosch Heat Pump Review🔥
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In this video, we talk about the Bosch IDS Light 15 SEER Inverter Heat pump, and discuss why it’s a unique product as well as its COP and other efficiency ratings. In this video we also compare the Bosch 15 SEER inverter to the Daikin Fit Enhanced Heat pump, and do a side by side comparison of its efficiency ratings.
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Bosch all day long baby. We the contractors love it. Easy to talk trash when you not educated. One thing I will add is that in my state it gets you a utility rebate. Keep doing your thing brother.
Right on that’s awesome it gets a rebate! The 18 and 20 seer do depending on the matchup and tonnages for our utility (Xcel)
I had one installed in fall 23. During a really cold weather (10F) motor froze and it killed the PCB board. Had to replace dead motor and PCB board. Glad I had a warranty. Now the Heat Pump is set to 35F. Below 35F my furnace turns on. Happy now. Using EcoBee thermostat. It's emails me with issues.
Thanks for sharing! Curious was it this model (15/16 SEER) or was it one of the 18 or 20 SEER models?
@@TheHVACDopeShow BOVB36HDN1M20G 2-3 TON HEAT PUMP INVERTER 20 SEER
Thing is paired to a two stage indoor. That’s why you don’t need a proprietary stat from the manufacturer. Yes the outdoor modulates but the indoor does not. If you want comfort buy a Daikin Fit
How long did it take you to get parts?
just purchased a bosch 15 seer and it will take getting used to. im confused on why it runs for hours on a hot day vs my old 12 year old payne im not sure if its supposed to do that or not im just worried that its constantky going to run every day, any advice or input? thank you
That’s how inverters operate more efficiently is by running more often but at variable capacity… it’s more efficient than the Payne I promise 😁 but that’s not abnormal at all and sounds like it’s running as designed
The content you present is very informative. I already DIY my own minisplit heat pump, but enjoy hearing about the newest products.
Thanks my pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it
Matched to a two stage indoor. If you want a real inverter buy a Daikin FIT
Some people want to save a buck but I kind of agree and still prefer the Fit. It’s also quieter from what I’ve been told by Bosch reps because apparently the defrost cycle isn’t as quiet on the Bosch unit. If some of the Denver rebates qualified on the Fit that would be great and I think it would dominate.
I clicked on this thinking it was 15 HSPF. 15 SEER is hardly a gamechanger, a simple 2-stage system easily beats it in efficiency. The benefit of the noncommunicating inverter system is that the system capacity does not vary much with outdoor temperature. The result is two fixed airspeeds with two stable supply temperatures. A cheaper fixed speed compressor which communicates with the air handler will also have a stable supply temperature which should provide a similar level of comfort.
This is true, an inverter will still probably have lower amp draw on startup. I still think it’s a cool product to have an entry level 15 seer inverter on the market.
@@TheHVACDopeShow It's definitely nice to have the option, I just think it has a limited usecase. The lower startup draw could make it a good option for use with backup generators. And the effective temperature compensation makes it attractive for pairing with existing furnaces without sacrificing comfort.
And now that I think about it more, I realize it (especially the smaller 2 ton config) could make sense for low-load systems where the total electricity usage is small enough you'd never recover the cost premium of a more efficient system before it needs to be replaced.
FYI, the nest power robs and causes issues with the bosch systems
Even with a c wire?
Is it worth having in So Cal? I only use my AC 5 mos of the year...and nada heat. I use a space heater
It’s definitely more efficient than a space heater, 5 months is a fair amount of cooling so this or anything more efficient is still going to benefit you on the cooling savings side of things. But for heating yes this is plenty, and a better option than a space heat, about 3x more efficient to run
I'm in SoCal, the answer is Yes, def, it is worth having.
My electric bill is still through the roof. I feel like its hitting temp very quick and short cycling alot
What kind of thermostat do you have? They prefer dumb thermostats or basic ones… also might be oversized or they might not have set the tonnage on install day. The 3 ton can also be a 2 ton and the 5 ton can also be a 4 ton. If it’s oversized or just wasn’t set on install day you will be able to change the tonnage settings
@@TheHVACDopeShow im using an ecobee. My hvac guy installed a Honeywell but it kept clicking on and off, it was driving me nuts. I have a 3 ton Bosch with a Bosch air handler.
Great video
Just installed one today
Best bang for your buck!
Right on! Yeah seems like it!
I may try one of these when my 19 yr old geo gives out. Mine is pump and dump, the reason I might got to air. Well pumps have gotten really expensive lately.
Im a programmer data guy and would love to be able to take hourly temp data by zip from past couple years, desired indoor day/night temps, heating demands of the home, cost of power and compute an precise cost to operate estimate for each different units for comparison.
Yeah that would be cool but it will vary by the load on the house and how well it’s insulated, unfortunately there’s a lot of case by case variables with each home so it’s not cut and dry always
You might want to check out the airtemp ultra side discharge unit. Tax credit eligible and priced same as the new 14 seer.
YES but becaue you don’t have fully variable speed communicating blower ., and thus this jia not a Greta unit for dealing with humidity in trunk season. Thsi si well documented ns it’s embedded in the units design. Greta for Maine, superb for high desert areas. Really poor choice for Atlanta, Miami.
Thanks for the comment thats Good to know, we’re not in those areas yet but that’s great information for people who are!
First, Thank you very much for your content. I Always learn something. One additional bit of information that would be valuable is related to pricing. I understand if you can't provide specific pricing, but even an average percentage difference would be helpful. For example, the units you compared are close as far as COP @ 5 degrees, Is the Bosch around 10% cheaper or 50% less expensive than the Daiken Fit? Of course not including labor. Just a good ballpark comparison. Again, I cannot express my gratitude for sharing your knowledge.
The 15 seer is less by maybe 20% /30%? Labors the biggest variable… but the reason the 18 and 20 seer are a good value is the ratings qualify for multiple rebates in Colorado that the fit doesn’t because of Xcel and EER stipulations. That’s the biggest difference so you’re getting a more efficient product for a little less after all of the rebates available. Plus we’ve had people object to wanting to use a specific type of thermostat for example which the Bosch doesn’t have as a limitation
I love it. This is a clever ad for the Daikin FIT. Bosch BOVA = Midea MOVA. These are nowhere close to one another in the market. A variable compressor without a communicating indoor equates to a 16/1 water removal ratio in comparison to the Daikin FIT.
I love the Daikin fit, I just thought these were a cool “bang for your buck” system for someone trying to get an inverter on the cheap. IMO Daikin fit is the best bang for your buck but it’s still more expensive than this, so for a rental or someone who just wants a basic system it’s an upgrade from a single stage 13/14 SEER
C'mon! Mitsubishi offers a TWENTY FOUR SEER rated heat pump, LENNOX a 23 rated heat pump!
I never said it was the most efficient 😁 just that it was cool to see an entry level base model inverter heat pump option at a budget price point
@@TheHVACDopeShow Budget price? I would say premium price but worth it.
Thanks for your awesome channel! After watching, I found a contractor in NC to install a Bosch 20 SEER dual fuel (propane) system. However, they’re telling me it DOES require a Honeywell Redlink thermostat and that I can’t use a Nest or Ecobee because there are only 4 wires running to the thermostat and they are unable to run new wire. Does that sound correct?
This sounds more like an issue with your thermostat wire than the Bosch, I think your thermostat may be in a location where running a new wire is not conducive. I’m not sure about running a nest or ecobee off of 4 wires with a Bosch heat pump honestly but If you can’t run a new one you could look at the ecobee power extender as an option. That’s a device that goes in the air handler or furnace to add a wire and it’s an option on the nest for sure, I believe they have an ecobee one too
amzn.to/46asE8f this is the nest one, I believe you can get away with 5 wires on the Bosch heat pump but I’ll have to check the manual again
I enjoy your comparison videos on this heat pump topic as I am in planning stage to build my 1500 sqft ICF home outside of Houston tx. My primary focus is on long-term reliability as I’m retired and don’t have time to continually worry about how long one of these variable speed units will last before it breaks. I know single stage units are less efficient but I think historically, they have proven to be more reliable given proper yearly maintenance.
Both can have problems is the short answer… I’ve seen inverters be trouble free for 15+ years and same for single stage, and I’ve also had single stage systems that had compressors give out within a year or two when it was just a fluke and something happened. In a market like Houston I’d probably lean towards an inverter (variable speed) heat pump if it was my personal house just because you’re using it often and will see the benefit from a savings perspective easily. For what it’s worth we have an inverter/variable speed heat pump at the office and at home and both have been pretty trouble free by my standards (no expensive parts repaired/replaced in their first 3 years of use) and I’ve seen a lot of inverters be very reliable. If you go the single stage route for a 1500 sqft home that’s not bad either just because it’s a smaller space so it’s probably reasonable to heat and cool that space, so I wouldn’t be terribly concerned with the lack of savings if a single stage offers you more peace of mind. Hope that helps!
You say affordable but I missed the price. I would also like to see utility bills compared to a gas furnace. In my personal experience electric heating with a heat pump is about 4x the cost of gas but that is with older heat pumps.
Price will vary from contractor to contractor I’m just saying the cost is similar to a single stage 15 seer unit. Cost to use a heat pump depends on local utility rates. We pay .12 - 14 cents in Colorado but in California people can pay .30, .40, .50 cents or more, but gas is more expensive there too
Thanks I was talking about the actual equipment cost. A base model system in my market for gas is about $3300 for furnace, a-coil and condenser on a 3.5 ton unit.
That’s 14.2 seer2
Probably will be great in the panhandle Florida
Probably! That’s a perfect climate for something like this
Like the thumbnail, seems to be in fashion. Keep up the good work
Thanks! Will do glad you enjoyed it 😁
I got a carrier 15 seer single stage for $3k including labor and setup... 13 years ago. This thing is crap. 😂
13 years old? With a Bristol compressor? Surprised it’s lasted this long unless it’s a Scroll, but congrats!
Where does the opinion towards the Bosch unit comes from, have you installed them? Genuinely curious 😁 thanks!
Great review but why not deal with Achilles heel of this design/ ie inverter condenser but not fully variable communicating blower/handler, ie poor choice for latent heat. PLUS anyone who can fog a mirror can purchase bone, no factory vetting at any level
Thanks for the info on this system. Are Bosch heat pump inverters like these good for Las Vegas? There are more options now than before. I’m researching new systems and we currently have a 3000 sq ft home with two furnaces and two single stage ac units. Do you need a heat pump only or do you need a furnace too?
Heat pump only is fine, depends what your currently have but if your current system is a furnace and AC this is an easy swap you just need a heat pump condenser and indoor coil. If your furnace isn’t that old then you can keep that if it’s not due for replacement yet too. In vegas I would consider the 18 or 20 seer because it’s not all that much more expensive for purchase, and in the long run because it gets so hot in the summer you’ll definitely see the savings.
Thanks for the help! Yeah. The Carrier furnaces are 26 years old. I’m researching because all of the units are working but getting older. One York ac is 18 and the goodman is 12. I keep hearing about inverters and how they may be more efficient. So maybe it would all have to be changed. New furnaces and inverter ac units.
False… Mitsubishi allows you to use a module to use nonproprietary thermostats
That’s cool I didn’t know that about Mitsubishi
@@TheHVACDopeShow They do, but A? Efficiency is less as it no longer becomes a variable speed compressor (just 3 speeds I believe), but most importantly B) Mits prevents the thermostat from being set below 63 degrees for a winter setting. That was a deal breaker for me as I didn't realize this until I had installed the Ecobee. My location is in the cold NC mountains, and keeping it on 63 particularly when I'm not there often would just be wasteful and so unnecessary. I was forced to pull it out, and remove the module. Such a waste of time and money in the end to try that. Installer didn't realize this either. Mits proprietary KUMO system is 1995 technology that has historically been unreliable and offline.
What the hell is the point of an inverter 15 SEER lol
Budget inverter 😁
My Daikin MXL system is rated SEER 17.
That’s an excellent cold weather multiport heat pump… the MXL is definitely quieter than the 15 seer Bosch system too, I just think the price point is nice on this for people to get a budget inverter but it’s definitely not the most efficient by any means
@TheHVACDopeShow My MXL 18,000 BTU enhanced capacity inverter driven compressor heat pump with 2 indoor 12,000 BTU floor units cost me C$15,032. It was worth every cent of it. The floor units look so nice compared to the wall units.
Great editing. Helped me remember the key words and terms.
Right on glad it was helpful!
Are the bosch systems set up for dual fuel? Do they have their own gas furnaces?
They do, they can pair with any modern furnace brand. If it’s a 40 year old furnace or something that wouldn’t really work efficiently but anything with a PC board it can pair with easily
For 80% or 96% / high efficiency. Bosch only makes their own high efficiency furnace they don’t make a 80% furnace
It seems like fan speed is crucial to performance. How does the Bosch have the ability to adjust blower speed to match compressor modulation?
Great video
Thanks glad you enjoyed it!
Love the breakdown with the data sheets
Right on glad you enjoyed it! Will have more coming out soon, seems like people found it helpful.