Purchased a 50 hour S240 with 48" deck for $1599. Just needed cleaning up.I replaced the air filter and fuel filter. I am thrilled to have the Kaw FS engine.
I wouldnt wast the money on a Kawasaki the briggs last just as long their just trying to get u to pay more just for the engine I have all briggs my tractor is 12 years old now never had any issues and my lawn mower are old and some new never issues dont wast ur money I have been in buisness for almost 30 years
@@jp-us9rq briggs and Stratton does offer some good top tier engines,but the intek line are entry level. That's not saying that they're bad. Theyll run close to 1000 hours with frequent maintenance and valve adjustment. A fr651v is mid range for Kawasaki, but still would easily reach 2000 or more hours without anything but routine maintenance.
Stumbled upon this while trying to learn about the product JD product line. Living in Atlanta, but from PA... Picked up on the PA/Pittsburgh accent immediately, then looked over his shoulder and saw the sign confirming the locations. Very informative though. Thanks.
Back in 2019, I bought an S240 with a 42-inch deck. This was a good comparison between the models, but one thing that was left out was the transmission. The S240 has a Tuff-Torq K46 which with a rating that is 25% better than the ones in the 100 series (100 through 160) John Deere tractors. One thing I use the S240 for is clearing snow with a blade. With rear-wheel tire chains and 80 pounds of weight, it will go through the snow like a hot knife through butter.
The 170 and 180 both use 22x9.5 tires while the 240 uses 20x10 tires. The tread pattern on the 20x10 is better than the 22x9.5. The taller 22" tires may ride just a hair smoother,but the difference would be negligible. I'd rather have better traction.
I had a choice of any rider mower on the market. I choose to trade in my Husquvqrna 18.5 hp single cylender 38 inch deck, unit on a JD S240 42 deck. The Husky was uncomfortable to ride. I actually look forward to mowing the lawn with the JD.
Looks like the E240 got some of the extras that you now can only get on the S170/180 now. Why they don't upgrade the wheels and seats on those 200 series, we'll never know.
Great video! Thank you for making this for folks to better understand the models and differences. I am trying to decide which one to go with. Glad I ran into this while researching. I will go with the 2021 S240 with the 42-in. deck.
@@davidboyd7494 I have been very happy with it. Keep in mind that I only have 1/2 acre to deal with... I installed the mulch control kit and got a few attachments... everything is being put to good use. 👍
I’ve got a new S240. It’s my first riding mower and I like it. I am a little dissatisfied that the bagger I ordered with it is still on back order and The dealer says “maybe October?”
The E model is the top of the line in the E series being the 170 and comes with the larger wheels and tires. The s is in the middle or bottom of the range.
Yeah,when they switched them from 18.5 to 21.5hp they switched from fs to fr. Had to save a few dollars I guess. I'd if rather kept the smaller fs engine.
Not completely true, the S240 uses the K46 hydro transaxle, the S100 series only gets the K46 in the higher series. The lower numbers get a lighter duty transaxle.
@@stephenhenry1038 Not true! K-46 is a K-46 s100 s200 x300 - x350 all the same k-46 This video S-170 48" $2499 vs s-240 48" $2,899 *NO BRAINER* S-170 any old day. Kawasaki weaker, not much better than Briggs & Scrap Iron. .
@@raymond3803 what he was saying is that you can only get the k46 in the upper legs of the 100 series. The s170 and s180,but the s170 and below get the tlt200 transmission. Yes the k46 is available on the s170,s180,s240,x330,andx350.
@@ciphercode2298 Yeah! I've got a D-130 w/tl200. Junk! When these 1st came out, I bought the smallest. It had a 4 F 1 R gear drive trans. It was *GREAT!*
I wanted to buy a John Deere, but every time I researched my local dealers I always came up with tons of bad reviews. Consumer report says the John Deeres are more reliable but I read stories online where my local dealer is not taking care of their customers and corporate is not stepping in.
Thanks for highlighting the differences between both mowers. I also noticed that the tires weren't the same and I'm wondering if this gives the S240 better traction. Also how great are they at cutting damp grass when using a bagging attachment?
The s240 uses the Carlisle multitrac tires I think,whereas the 100 series use Carlisle turf savers. The multitrac are quite a bit better from a traction standpoint
I've never used their bagger system,but it cuts and even mulches well if the grass is damp. I'd think that as long as the grass is well maintained and not to deep its do fine.
@@dennislamers986 the 240 and 100 series share the same frame which I think is 12ga. As far as the decks go,if you get a 42" deck its 13ga and if you opt for the 48" its 10 ga. The method the use stamping these deck gives es them great rigidity though and if kept clean and dry theyll outlast the tractor.
I bought a LA110 in 2007 brand new. I have a 1 acre lot that I cut and the mower has never let me down, but it as all mowers needs maintenance. That being said, I would buy another 100 series, but get the kit for a screw on oil filter and drain. I always heard the difference was in the frame when comparing dealer models to big box models
I have a 2019 E120 with the 30 sec oil change but I also drain the rest of the oil, using the drain plug on the right side of the engine. Love the E120.
I have a e120, my 180 transmission failed and I got what was available. the 180 had a Kawasaki motor but “sealed transmission “ not knowing it was possible to replace the oil. but the rear wheels could not come off , rusted on. but i have had issues with my rear driver side tire. 2nd time flat! they put a tube in it over the original tubeless. this time the tube was drawn into the tire when it went flat. seemed full but did not gauge it before starting. other tires all ok.
JD has been doing a 'special edition' model for years now, they just don't call it that anymore. You typically get bigger rims/wheels, a nicer seat and fenders along with the vtwin. Now you need to be getting an S170/S180 to get everything instead of middle model. The seat and wheels are basic models on the 200s, although the tires are supposed better than the ones on a 100. The 200 includes the Accel Deep deck and Kawasaki, and let you speed-mow while achieving a commercial quality cut.
Hello!!!! this guy went over all the differences but the obvious one. Tires sizes, they stand out like a soar thumbs. how do you not even mention them?????
Love my Deeres but the seat suck. I have a bigger dealer tractors and the seat quality needs to be stepped up. I like the bigger rims/tires on that E-170 versus my X 390. I also would take the springs on the seat anyway over the rubber ones. You never said anything about the metal guage either.
Great presentation, but is there any difference with the cutting capability, or attachments that are available on either model lines (such as baggers, etc.)?
The bagger would have a different part number because the 100 series use the edge deck and the 200 series uses the accel deep deck. The accel deep deck has greater capacity to cut because its 5" deep from front to back and has a much larger chute opening for better dispersion of clippings. Snow blade,blower,tow behind stuff is interchangeable though. If you get the accel deep model you can also opt for mulch control,which allows you to side discharge or mulch at the flip of a lever.
unfortunately deere included their 30 second oil change system in the new X100 (european models) as well, my concern/question with these filters is: is it really enough to change the majority of the oil? i would say it is not enough...so that would be a big disadvantage with these new filters, does anyhow have any experience?
You are going to think this is ridiculous but I inherited a craftsman riding mower when I bought my acreage almost ten years ago. Its a 42" and I mow 3 acres and pull harrows on my driveway and turn around. Since I got the mower for nothing I've been trying a little experiment. This mower has NEVER had the oil or filter changed. Ever. Since we got it. I've had to replace every bearing on the deck, all the belts multiple times, the battery etc etc. If this thing can survive that and fire up perfectly every time I'm pretty sure a couple left over ounces of oil left in there after the quick change filter comes off won't hurt anything. Hell if I had that quick change thing I might have even changed the oil in mine once or twice. Lol.
If you’re a maintenance conscious person then I would say a traditional oil change is better but most people who are buying entry level lawn tractors probably don’t change their oil every year anyways. I would rather someone use the quick system if it means they will actually change their oil more frequently. I’ll stick with traditional though.
"The Kawasaki engine is better." You left out its size, HP rating, and cylinder count. Would be nice to know. I do like the idea of being able to start the engine without having to be at full throttle. I have an old Craftsman with the 24hp B&S V-twin. That engine is a beast. The deck rusted away, so it's pretty much a play tractor now. I bought a JD E-120 to replace it. It also has a B&S V-twin, but rated at only 20hp. Plenty for my use; having two cylinders for more torque was more important to me. Before getting it, I tried another Craftsman with a 21hp that had only a single cylinder, and it struggled noticeably going up hills. The wheel/tire setup on your S are what are on my E120. I kind of like what's on your E170 better, though. Thanks for sharing. Love watching JD lawn tractor talk. ;-)
That S series I think is a paltry 17 or 18 hp rating. That is one of the reasons why I went with the E130. The Kawasaki may be a better engine but there were far too many positives over negatives concerning the E series. Run synthetic motor oil and use ethanol treatment and your Briggs engine will never have an issue. Besides, John Deere even sells a conversion kit for 40 bucks that replaces that stupid EZ oil change with the conventional system that the S series uses.
@@Reefdevil I agree. Never had any problems with Briggs and Stratton engines in any of my equipment after switching exclusively to ethanol-free fuel a few years ago.
I got the e130. The quick change filter is straight up bad ass. No Mess and it's done in under 30 seconds. It might cost more but really. Once a year, all pay 35 bucks.
This is exactly what I was looking for A good mower that flys in the face of the poorly engineered gas mower. My old gas mower only failed me when the engine almost fell through the rusted deck plate... poor engineering of standard mowers have a deck groove that holds water from the top and allows slow micro sand blasting that eventually burns out a ring around the engine... the engine still runs great
You can convert the EZ oil change setup back to the regular oil change setup. Not for sure if it voids warranty or not. Thats the main reason I won't consider the 100 series. I have had my x300 for nearly 8 years and it is friggin good. I need another one, though. I am, possibly, going to look at the s240 tomorrow at a local dealer.
S240 is an awesome mower, it does have a more durable and serviceable transaxle, along with a better engine and the 2021 models have a fuel gauge on the operation station and new upgraded bagger system.
@@MyGreenLawn2019 Are you saying John Deere has made the recent s240 models(2021/22) with a transaxle that is more easily serviceable than the previous generation?
@@chrisblanco6465 I believe the transaxle is the same as previous S240 models. It uses the same transaxle as the one in the X350 series. My previous comment was in comparison to the E100 series. I have a video on the S240 on my channel
@@tonyr2360 Yeah mine too. Now taped. Could have gotten it replaced under warranty, but why? The cushions are glued in as far as I can tell, making it difficult to re cover. Heck I've seen the same material on $500,000 combines. Garbage. Just don't get that. I leave my hood open until the engine cools as well. The heat soaking evaporates the oils in the plastic, causing it to become brittle and crack over time. Mine's a 2017. Seat is tore up but the hood is perfect.
This guy is absolutely full of it when he says on the E170 that the filter holds the majority of the oil! It actually holds only .76L! The total oil capacity of that engine is 2.6 L so in actuality when you change just the filter you are only replacing a small amount of the oil. I have a E160 which has basically the same engine and the way I do it is I installed a drain tube on the side of motor opposite of oil filter and I first drain all the oil. Then I remove the filter and once Im sure oil is out I close off the drain tube. Then I install a new oil filter then top op the other almost 2 quarts of oil and Im done. Some guys switch the entire 30 second oil system out and run the smaller oil filter. I have read that these engines run a higher oil pressure so Im unsure if the little filter is adequate. Also the larger oil filter helps cool the motor. I live in Canada and these damn filters are 70 dollars! Im going to research if there is another filter that will work in its place that is cheaper.
The home depot online is not a good place to order a mower. paid for one 3 weeks ago and cant reach anyone that knows anything about it . called home depot 10 times called Pape' john deere. in sandpoint a week ago and they said they had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. they lied. it's been sitting there for 3 weeks. still dont have my mower.
I wished the John Deere's had steel hoods instead of the plastic witch cracks and breaks overtime from the heat of the engine compartment and the sun beating down on it.
I have a 1997 325 with a single cylinder Kawasaki that only starts with the throttle all the way up (choke activates when you push the throttle a little past full). If it hasn't worn the engine out in 2,000+ hours...I don't really think that's something to worry about.
Good video with useful insights BUT that 30 second oil filter is nonsense. It leaves a lot of the dirty oil in the tractor which is totally unacceptable. AND they are now $50+ for an oil filter, ridiculous. Maybe as a Deere dealer you have to be careful and not criticize this ridiculous feature.
The regular oil change models will leave dirty oil in the pan too, maybe not as much but it shouldn't matter so long as you're changing the filter. I don't mind paying the extra for the quick change filter either because it's so easy to change as it actually takes more like 10 seconds to change it (after the first change). I also change the oil in my car myself so one less damned thing I have to screw around with.There's also a conversion kit available for like $20 if you want to convert it to a regular change system.
1. It appears that the E170 has larger diameter tires and wheels, front and rear, compared to the S240. 2. Belt drive: Do both units have a single belt drive, or does one have a belt that drives the deck, and another separate serpentine belt that drives all spindles ? 3. Transmission: Is the transmission serviceable by the owner/user after "x" number of hours on the hour meter, or is it unable to be serviced by the owner/user ? I mention this because my wife's L130 (from parents estate) has a singe belt, and a lot more noise and vibration, compared to my same-era GT235, which uses a two-belt drive system. L130 has a non-serviceable transmission, compared to the GT235, which is serviceable.
1. E170 has 16” front and 22” rears compared to 15” front and 20” rears. S240 gets a nicer tire IIRC, Turf Saver II’s over standard Turf Saver. 2. They have a deck belt and a drive belt. Deck belts runs the deck, drive belt runs the tranny. 3. Transmission is not serviceable until you get to the X5xx series IIRC. The K58 in the higher end X3xx’s might be. Unsure
i bought the s240. reasons--the s240 does not have the QUICK oil change--s240 has a kawasaki engine----BRIGGS& STRATTON declared BANKRUP. once had over 11000 employees now have around 400. there may be an industry shortage of engines. parts shortage for BRIGGS engines. BEWARE
No... because the price for every mower would have to go up. Some people can’t afford it. I have both machines. Happy with the Briggs and the Kawasaki.
I expect this mower will last several seasons with decent care. th-cam.com/users/postUgkx1VWTrayKBdCKAjzAcZ_Eg4dhHTae3LkN also recommend Also, I ran across the problem with it not starting the 2nd time I used it. There is a safety switch which is pushed in by the chute or mulching piece being attached to the deck. I took the cover off and it wouldn't start. Put it back on, no problem. It takes only a minute with 2 easily accessible wingnuts and no tools. This mower starts up first crank each time and it is a joy to use. It also mows in reverse by putting the key to the reverse area after starting and pushing in the triangular button. It will stay in reverse mode until you turn it off. All in all, for my homeowner needs, I really like this mower-and at 70 bucks a cut here in Miami, it's already more than 1/3 paid for itself in a month.
The 100 series is a riding lawn mower, if you try to do anything more than cut grass with a 100 series you will burn up the transaxle very quickly. To do any kind of actual work you really need to move up to at least an X series. The way to tell which model tractors have the heavy duty transaxle look at the rear wheels on the tractor, look for rear wheels that have lug nuts like a car tire. Take a look at the Husqvarna, their HD models are much more reasonably priced.
I just need something that can just cut, a bit of power and speed, sucks up leaves in fall and good angle turns..... what ya got for me ???? 😅😅😅🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
I’m an S240 owner and I can tell you the S240 is just a 100 series with Bling. The 100 series is not a great series, unless you actually move up to an X series. Are the spindles in the S240 100 series quality or are they X370? I have been through 3 spindles on my S240 in 3 1/2 years of ownership. I take care of my machines, I grease the spindles, and I only have 125 hrs of use on the machine: no reason any mower should have 3 spindles fail. If you want a JD that will actually compare to the great JD machines of old you have to jump to the X370. It has the FS600V Kawasaki motor and the K57 Transmission. That’s the combination you want, even the X series with the K46 transmission is an average machine that no one should be paying that type of money for. John Deere has become the Harley Davidson of Lawn Mowers. Greatest marketing a company could have where people buy because of the name. The actual entry level product is poor and overpriced. My recommendation for an JD mower is the X370, but at those price points you might as well look at the Kubota brand, Kubota is for entry level machines what JD used to be. Good entry level machines that last a lifetime. After my experience with the s240 I will never buy another JD product again. The money you spend is not worth it.
I compared the entry level Kubotas. They start at $8999. That's more than three times the price of my S240. I think I will stick with my JD. Kubota is a little pricey for me.
perhaps those spindles have sealed bearings. Greasing them at the grease fitting will only fill an empty cavity between bearings.. Take them apart and remove seal from one side of each bearing and put them back together. your spindles should now last much longer.
@@sptrader6316 well mine is already 3 years and no more problems it has over 80 hours and unfortunately my garage is full, so sleep under a Tree it has a cover to protect from the sun and rain, despite all that it starts like a champion.
Elephant In The Room have had a Kawasaki in a JD x330 for at least 15 years and I rarely service it. Starts first turn of the key every time. It’s running in harsh condition on an island with the salty air. Never sees a specialist
@@smokestack9795 Well, Simplicity brand uses only B&S engines. Many considers Simplicity superior to Deere (including me) Entire tractor has suspension. Not just seat. Simplicity uses a *BIG BLOCK* horizontal shaft B & S with rear PTO and 3-Point-hitch on the Legacy Compact Tractor complete with seat belt & ROPS.
We tried to use Kawasaki engins at work for something different were luckly got 3 years now the briggs we had for 10 years and still going no bull we have a briggs engine that is over 25years old and still going
Well yeah,if spending $13k for a lawnmower is an option for you then go for it. I mowed with a 1023e at a small resort I used to work at. It did a great job,had a 60" deck with a chute blocker.
If you purchased a JD with the "Quick change" system, here's a video that walks you through converting it to normal. th-cam.com/video/M61qwbaW09o/w-d-xo.html
That was honestly my take-away as well. I feel like he actually worked against himself a little bit here. With the exception of the electronic PTO for the 42" deck, I can't think of any reason I would want the S series
Enough with the understatements. E tractor (left) is not just a better value. *IT'S A BETTER MACHINE* Better. Bigger. Heavier. More HP. Premium Seat (adjustable lumbar support) For $600 less. E Series also better than X-330, X-350, & X370 (same trans-axle) ...................For $2,200 less.
@@raymond3803 well,no. The accel deck discharges and mulches better than the edge deck,the fr Kawasaki will last upwards of 2000 hours,whereas the low end Briggs intek will last around 800 hours and even the Briggs els engine would be lucky to reach 1000 hours. The 200 series and up use ball bearings in their wheels instead of plastic bushings. Even within the k46 model trannies there are different ratings. The s and e models 160 and below get the tlt200 transmission which is 25% weaker than the k46. The s170 through my dealer now costs $3199 and if I get the s240 in 42" deck I can have it for $3299. You can also opt for mulch control on the s240 and ×300 series allowing you to switch from side discharge to mulch at the flip of a lever. Its work the upcharge,if you can afford to plan for the longhaul. The s240 will outlast and out mow the regular 100 series.
@@raymond3803 x370 is almost $5k and has the k57 transmission although its got a heavier built frame it doesnt mow any better than an s240 and has the same drivetrain. Would be nice to have power steering though,lol.
I always thought an oil change was easy enough. Takes maybe 5 minutes tops. So if you can't handle an oil change you shouldn't be buying a lawn mower. Having an "easy change" feature is just a waste in my opinion. I actually enjoy changing my oil.
BS about the Easy Change filter containing the majority of the oil. Engine holds 2 quarts, EZ filter holds about one cup. I have E150 and converted to traditional system, drained the oil and almost 2 quarts came out. Easy change worst gimick ever and filter costs $55.
It's a shame I didn't know about this video , I purchased mine from Lowe's E100 model and it broke down on my third cut, and Lowe's would not take it back . I lost my confidence in John Deere.
I tell u what we use briggs engins on our tractors cut 20 yards a day 5 days a week never issues at all.we had a Kawasaki broke down all the time I have been in theawn business for 23 years briggs to us seems to do the best
my briggs 21 hp is 12 years old i use the heck out of it i dont think paying 500 dollars for the other engine is worth it they both will last if u take care of it at my work we have briggs engines that are 35 years old or older still run great ur just trying to sell the more expensive one people will fall for it its not worth the extra money i
You brag about John Deere being made in USA. Briggs and Stratton is a USA engine company (whether it's made here is another question). Kawasaki is a Japanese engine company-so that tractor is now a half and half USA and Japanese tractor. Also the 100 series (pictured) has bigger tires then the 200 series (pictured).
Kawasaki engine, built in Maryville, MO. Briggs vTwins are made in Auburn, AL I believe? If I remember my geography class, both are states in the US of A?
It's geared towards people that put low hours on the mower in their backyard like me. I've had an e130 for 4 years and I have less than 120 hours on it because I mow 3/4 of an acre. There's no reason the fresh oil and filter shouldn't be doing its job.
Purchased a 50 hour S240 with 48" deck for $1599. Just needed cleaning up.I replaced the air filter and fuel filter. I am thrilled to have the Kaw FS engine.
Thats an excellent price! Dang!
Thanks. What about the overall component quality differences ? Chassis, mechanics etc.. Also why larger rear tires on the e170 ?
This video helped me lean more towards the s240 for sure.
Picked up a 2020 S240 and burned through 3.5 acres in 3 hours. Love it.
I wouldnt wast the money on a Kawasaki the briggs last just as long their just trying to get u to pay more just for the engine I have all briggs my tractor is 12 years old now never had any issues and my lawn mower are old and some new never issues dont wast ur money I have been in buisness for almost 30 years
@@jp-us9rq briggs and Stratton does offer some good top tier engines,but the intek line are entry level. That's not saying that they're bad. Theyll run close to 1000 hours with frequent maintenance and valve adjustment. A fr651v is mid range for Kawasaki, but still would easily reach 2000 or more hours without anything but routine maintenance.
Outstanding presentation! Thank you!!! 👍🏼
Stumbled upon this while trying to learn about the product JD product line. Living in Atlanta, but from PA... Picked up on the PA/Pittsburgh accent immediately, then looked over his shoulder and saw the sign confirming the locations. Very informative though. Thanks.
I bought a S240 42” deck in 2015. No regrets.
S240 Kawasaki engine so much better than Briggs
@@dannyrenkiewicz9551 Agree.
Back in 2019, I bought an S240 with a 42-inch deck. This was a good comparison between the models, but one thing that was left out was the transmission. The S240 has a Tuff-Torq K46 which with a rating that is 25% better than the ones in the 100 series (100 through 160) John Deere tractors. One thing I use the S240 for is clearing snow with a blade. With rear-wheel tire chains and 80 pounds of weight, it will go through the snow like a hot knife through butter.
My S240 transmission failed 150 hours. Not worth the extra money
All the s240 mowers come with FR651V now and not the better FS motors.
Yes, comes with the cheaper built Kawa motor in 2022.
I own an S240 now (2019 version). That engine change would make my next purchase NOT an S240. Bad move
Thank you for this info. Changed my mind on the S240 now, especially with the price increase
@@jasonmendonca6061
Agreed 100%
The S240 doesn’t justify its cost….about $4000 US
Great job explaining the differences! Thanks!
Excellent concise job explaining in simple real life terms. Definitely knows his product.
Great comparison. Only thing I don’t understand is why the wheels and tires are so much smaller on the S240 (the better machine)
Can't have it all. ..to keep you moving up
The 170 and 180 both use 22x9.5 tires while the 240 uses 20x10 tires. The tread pattern on the 20x10 is better than the 22x9.5. The taller 22" tires may ride just a hair smoother,but the difference would be negligible. I'd rather have better traction.
I had a choice of any rider mower on the market. I choose to trade in my Husquvqrna 18.5 hp single cylender 38 inch deck, unit on a JD S240 42 deck. The Husky was uncomfortable to ride. I actually look forward to mowing the lawn with the JD.
Looks like the E240 got some of the extras that you now can only get on the S170/180 now. Why they don't upgrade the wheels and seats on those 200 series, we'll never know.
Great video! Thank you for making this for folks to better understand the models and differences. I am trying to decide which one to go with. Glad I ran into this while researching. I will go with the 2021 S240 with the 42-in. deck.
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Jaime now that it’s been a year how do you like the 240?
@@davidboyd7494 I have been very happy with it. Keep in mind that I only have 1/2 acre to deal with... I installed the mulch control kit and got a few attachments... everything is being put to good use. 👍
Very well done video.. Informative and easy to follow.
Great overview. More info here than spending 40 minutes talking with my local dealer. Thanks. Looks like I am spending some of my green on some green.
I’ve got a new S240. It’s my first riding mower and I like it. I am a little dissatisfied that the bagger I ordered with it is still on back order and The dealer says “maybe October?”
Looks like a significant difference in the wheel/tire size ...why is that?
The E model is the top of the line in the E series being the 170 and comes with the larger wheels and tires. The s is in the middle or bottom of the range.
According to the John Deere website the S240 either the 42” or 48” deck the engine are not KS engines, its the KR651V engine.
Yeah,when they switched them from 18.5 to 21.5hp they switched from fs to fr. Had to save a few dollars I guess. I'd if rather kept the smaller fs engine.
Is the any type of upgrade for the transmission in the 240 or is it the same tuff-torq as the 100 series?
Even the X300 base models use the same tranny as the 100 Series, so it’s the same
Not completely true, the S240 uses the K46 hydro transaxle, the S100 series only gets the K46 in the higher series. The lower numbers get a lighter duty transaxle.
@@stephenhenry1038 Not true! K-46 is a K-46 s100 s200 x300 - x350 all the same k-46
This video S-170 48" $2499 vs s-240 48" $2,899
*NO BRAINER* S-170 any old day. Kawasaki weaker, not much better than Briggs & Scrap Iron. .
@@raymond3803 what he was saying is that you can only get the k46 in the upper legs of the 100 series. The s170 and s180,but the s170 and below get the tlt200 transmission. Yes the k46 is available on the s170,s180,s240,x330,andx350.
@@ciphercode2298 Yeah! I've got a D-130 w/tl200. Junk!
When these 1st came out, I bought the smallest. It had a 4 F 1 R gear drive trans.
It was *GREAT!*
Wish the 240 had the gas fill like the 300 series.
very nice unbiased comparison!
I wanted to buy a John Deere, but every time I researched my local dealers I always came up with tons of bad reviews. Consumer report says the John Deeres are more reliable but I read stories online where my local dealer is not taking care of their customers and corporate is not stepping in.
Why does the John Deere site say the engine is FR651v and your site says FS600v? Is that an option?
Thanks for highlighting the differences between both mowers. I also noticed that the tires weren't the same and I'm wondering if this gives the S240 better traction. Also how great are they at cutting damp grass when using a bagging attachment?
I also wonder metal thickness
The s240 uses the Carlisle multitrac tires I think,whereas the 100 series use Carlisle turf savers. The multitrac are quite a bit better from a traction standpoint
I've never used their bagger system,but it cuts and even mulches well if the grass is damp. I'd think that as long as the grass is well maintained and not to deep its do fine.
@@dennislamers986 the 240 and 100 series share the same frame which I think is 12ga. As far as the decks go,if you get a 42" deck its 13ga and if you opt for the 48" its 10 ga. The method the use stamping these deck gives es them great rigidity though and if kept clean and dry theyll outlast the tractor.
I run an S240 and have for 5 years. GREAT machine. Run it on full synthetic and it will last even longer.
I bought a LA110 in 2007 brand new. I have a 1 acre lot that I cut and the mower has never let me down, but it as all mowers needs maintenance. That being said, I would buy another 100 series, but get the kit for a screw on oil filter and drain.
I always heard the difference was in the frame when comparing dealer models to big box models
I have a 2019 E120 with the 30 sec oil change but I also drain the rest of the oil, using the drain plug on the right side of the engine. Love the E120.
I have a e120, my 180 transmission failed and I got what was available. the 180 had a Kawasaki
motor but “sealed transmission “ not knowing it was possible to replace the oil. but the rear
wheels could not come off , rusted on. but i have had issues with my rear driver side tire.
2nd time flat! they put a tube in it over the original tubeless. this time the tube was drawn into the
tire when it went flat. seemed full but did not gauge it before starting. other tires all ok.
Why different size wheels on the 100 series? How about overall build, frame, etc?
JD has been doing a 'special edition' model for years now, they just don't call it that anymore. You typically get bigger rims/wheels, a nicer seat and fenders along with the vtwin. Now you need to be getting an S170/S180 to get everything instead of middle model. The seat and wheels are basic models on the 200s, although the tires are supposed better than the ones on a 100. The 200 includes the Accel Deep deck and Kawasaki, and let you speed-mow while achieving a commercial quality cut.
Hello!!!! this guy went over all the differences but the obvious one. Tires sizes, they stand out like a soar thumbs. how do you not even mention them?????
Love my Deeres but the seat suck. I have a bigger dealer tractors and the seat quality needs to be stepped up. I like the bigger rims/tires on that E-170 versus my X 390. I also would take the springs on the seat anyway over the rubber ones. You never said anything about the metal guage either.
Great video!
is there an oil that will help make the seats last longer?
Great presentation, but is there any difference with the cutting capability, or attachments that are available on either model lines (such as baggers, etc.)?
The bagger would have a different part number because the 100 series use the edge deck and the 200 series uses the accel deep deck. The accel deep deck has greater capacity to cut because its 5" deep from front to back and has a much larger chute opening for better dispersion of clippings. Snow blade,blower,tow behind stuff is interchangeable though. If you get the accel deep model you can also opt for mulch control,which allows you to side discharge or mulch at the flip of a lever.
unfortunately deere included their 30 second oil change system in the new X100 (european models) as well, my concern/question with these filters is: is it really enough to change the majority of the oil? i would say it is not enough...so that would be a big disadvantage with these new filters, does anyhow have any experience?
You are going to think this is ridiculous but I inherited a craftsman riding mower when I bought my acreage almost ten years ago. Its a 42" and I mow 3 acres and pull harrows on my driveway and turn around. Since I got the mower for nothing I've been trying a little experiment. This mower has NEVER had the oil or filter changed. Ever. Since we got it. I've had to replace every bearing on the deck, all the belts multiple times, the battery etc etc. If this thing can survive that and fire up perfectly every time I'm pretty sure a couple left over ounces of oil left in there after the quick change filter comes off won't hurt anything. Hell if I had that quick change thing I might have even changed the oil in mine once or twice. Lol.
If you’re a maintenance conscious person then I would say a traditional oil change is better but most people who are buying entry level lawn tractors probably don’t change their oil every year anyways. I would rather someone use the quick system if it means they will actually change their oil more frequently. I’ll stick with traditional though.
Nice review s240 looks great
"The Kawasaki engine is better."
You left out its size, HP rating, and cylinder count. Would be nice to know. I do like the idea of being able to start the engine without having to be at full throttle.
I have an old Craftsman with the 24hp B&S V-twin. That engine is a beast. The deck rusted away, so it's pretty much a play tractor now. I bought a JD E-120 to replace it. It also has a B&S V-twin, but rated at only 20hp. Plenty for my use; having two cylinders for more torque was more important to me. Before getting it, I tried another Craftsman with a 21hp that had only a single cylinder, and it struggled noticeably going up hills.
The wheel/tire setup on your S are what are on my E120. I kind of like what's on your E170 better, though.
Thanks for sharing. Love watching JD lawn tractor talk. ;-)
That S series I think is a paltry 17 or 18 hp rating. That is one of the reasons why I went with the E130. The Kawasaki may be a better engine but there were far too many positives over negatives concerning the E series. Run synthetic motor oil and use ethanol treatment and your Briggs engine will never have an issue. Besides, John Deere even sells a conversion kit for 40 bucks that replaces that stupid EZ oil change with the conventional system that the S series uses.
@@Reefdevil
I agree. Never had any problems with Briggs and Stratton engines in any of my equipment after switching exclusively to ethanol-free fuel a few years ago.
@@Just1American1966 Running ethanol-free fuel, if you can find it, is probably the single best thing for your engine, of any brand.
@@sptrader6316
Absolutely. I'm a firm believer in that.
so what model is the best for steep hills?
An "x" model from a dealership withe the k58 transmission, not the k46.
S240 has gone way up in price since this was made.
Waaaaaaaaaay up! I just paid 3500 + tax.
I got the e130. The quick change filter is straight up bad ass. No Mess and it's done in under 30 seconds. It might cost more but really. Once a year, all pay 35 bucks.
This is exactly what I was looking for A good mower that flys in the face of the poorly engineered gas mower. My old gas mower only failed me when the engine almost fell through the rusted deck plate... poor engineering of standard mowers have a deck groove that holds water from the top and allows slow micro sand blasting that eventually burns out a ring around the engine... the engine still runs great
Is there a recall on the e100? Or how do you adjust the belt tension since the L bracket is welded! ?
You can convert the EZ oil change setup back to the regular oil change setup. Not for sure if it voids warranty or not. Thats the main reason I won't consider the 100 series. I have had my x300 for nearly 8 years and it is friggin good. I need another one, though. I am, possibly, going to look at the s240 tomorrow at a local dealer.
Thanks! Even I understood all this.
Seems like a big difference on tires too. Does the S240 have an advantage there too?
S240 is an awesome mower, it does have a more durable and serviceable transaxle, along with a better engine and the 2021 models have a fuel gauge on the operation station and new upgraded bagger system.
@@MyGreenLawn2019 Are you saying John Deere has made the recent s240 models(2021/22) with a transaxle that is more easily serviceable than the previous generation?
@@chrisblanco6465 I believe the transaxle is the same as previous S240 models. It uses the same transaxle as the one in the X350 series. My previous comment was in comparison to the E100 series. I have a video on the S240 on my channel
@@MyGreenLawn2019 Thank you for replying, I saw and liked your s240 purchase video previously.
@@chrisblanco6465 thanks for checking it out
Can you put a snow blower on a D100 John Deere
Thank you
I had an 2016 X380 and the seat cracked after 70hrs of use, wasn’t impressed. It was the same seat as on the S240.
I've got an S240 with about 17 hours on it. The seat already has a substantial crease on it. I'd be surprised if it didn't crack on me within a year.
@@tonyr2360 Yeah mine too. Now taped. Could have gotten it replaced under warranty, but why? The cushions are glued in as far as I can tell, making it difficult to re cover. Heck I've seen the same material on $500,000 combines. Garbage. Just don't get that. I leave my hood open until the engine cools as well. The heat soaking evaporates the oils in the plastic, causing it to become brittle and crack over time. Mine's a 2017. Seat is tore up but the hood is perfect.
This guy is absolutely full of it when he says on the E170 that the filter holds the majority of the oil! It actually holds only .76L! The total oil capacity of that engine is 2.6 L so in actuality when you change just the filter you are only replacing a small amount of the oil. I have a E160 which has basically the same engine and the way I do it is I installed a drain tube on the side of motor opposite of oil filter and I first drain all the oil. Then I remove the filter and once Im sure oil is out I close off the drain tube. Then I install a new oil filter then top op the other almost 2 quarts of oil and Im done. Some guys switch the entire 30 second oil system out and run the smaller oil filter. I have read that these engines run a higher oil pressure so Im unsure if the little filter is adequate. Also the larger oil filter helps cool the motor. I live in Canada and these damn filters are 70 dollars! Im going to research if there is another filter that will work in its place that is cheaper.
Conversion kits are available to convert the gimmick oil filter to the one like the S240. th-cam.com/video/M61qwbaW09o/w-d-xo.html
The home depot online is not a good place to order a mower. paid for one 3 weeks ago and cant reach anyone that knows anything about it . called home depot 10 times called Pape' john deere. in sandpoint a week ago and they said they had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. they lied. it's been sitting there for 3 weeks. still dont have my mower.
Excellent information! Thanks for sharing.
In my experience B.S. engines are Very good. Any of my equipment with this engine never go down in my history ,
I wished the John Deere's had steel hoods instead of the plastic witch cracks and breaks overtime from the heat of the engine compartment and the sun beating down on it.
I guess it comes down to use, the hood on my x320 finally broke after 5ish yrs
The hood on my L110 still looks like new, it’s going on 18 years old now. But the mower is stored indoors when not in use.
@@stephenhenry1038 My E120 is 3 years old and the hood is perfect. Store it inside or at least cover it with a tarp, the sun will destroy plastic.
Store it out of the sun, UV damage will kill it. Engine heat alone isn't enough to crack plastic
8 oz of oil in the ez change oilfilter 24 oz of oil left in engine
I have a 1997 325 with a single cylinder Kawasaki that only starts with the throttle all the way up (choke activates when you push the throttle a little past full). If it hasn't worn the engine out in 2,000+ hours...I don't really think that's something to worry about.
that means you need a carb something is in the iddle jet
No. It. Means when you push the throttle slightly past full, the choke closes. It is designed to work that way. There is no separate choke.
Good video with useful insights BUT that 30 second oil filter is nonsense. It leaves a lot of the dirty oil in the tractor which is totally unacceptable. AND they are now $50+ for an oil filter, ridiculous. Maybe as a Deere dealer you have to be careful and not criticize this ridiculous feature.
The regular oil change models will leave dirty oil in the pan too, maybe not as much but it shouldn't matter so long as you're changing the filter. I don't mind paying the extra for the quick change filter either because it's so easy to change as it actually takes more like 10 seconds to change it (after the first change). I also change the oil in my car myself so one less damned thing I have to screw around with.There's also a conversion kit available for like $20 if you want to convert it to a regular change system.
1. It appears that the E170 has larger diameter tires and wheels, front and rear, compared to the S240.
2. Belt drive: Do both units have a single belt drive, or does one have a belt that drives the deck, and another separate serpentine belt that drives all spindles ?
3. Transmission: Is the transmission serviceable by the owner/user after "x" number of hours on the hour meter, or is it unable to be serviced by the owner/user ?
I mention this because my wife's L130 (from parents estate) has a singe belt, and a lot more noise and vibration, compared to my same-era GT235, which uses a two-belt drive system. L130 has a non-serviceable transmission, compared to the GT235, which is serviceable.
1. E170 has 16” front and 22” rears compared to 15” front and 20” rears. S240 gets a nicer tire IIRC, Turf Saver II’s over standard Turf Saver. 2. They have a deck belt and a drive belt. Deck belts runs the deck, drive belt runs the tranny. 3. Transmission is not serviceable until you get to the X5xx series IIRC. The K58 in the higher end X3xx’s might be. Unsure
@@Pontiac2001GT The S240’s use a user serviceable K46DP hydrostatic transmission unlike the “sealed for life” transmissions used in the 100 series.
This was a good video, but it didn’t convince me that my E120 was the wrong choice.
Love my E120, they're great for the money.
I love JD machines ...only issue is they are difficult to fill it with gas.
Wheels and tires and anti scalp wheels on the decks....
i bought the s240. reasons--the s240 does not have the QUICK oil change--s240 has a kawasaki engine----BRIGGS& STRATTON declared BANKRUP. once had over 11000 employees now have around 400. there may be an industry shortage of engines. parts shortage for BRIGGS engines. BEWARE
S240 is worth it for the Kawasaki engine alone.
no
If you have the money to burn. My E170 is good enough for what I mow.
My seat on the S240 wore out in less than 2 years.
Shouldn't you put the best engine in all models?
Yes, thank you.
There shouldn't be trash sold under the JD brand.
No... because the price for every mower would have to go up. Some people can’t afford it. I have both machines. Happy with the Briggs and the Kawasaki.
I expect this mower will last several seasons with decent care. th-cam.com/users/postUgkx1VWTrayKBdCKAjzAcZ_Eg4dhHTae3LkN also recommend Also, I ran across the problem with it not starting the 2nd time I used it. There is a safety switch which is pushed in by the chute or mulching piece being attached to the deck. I took the cover off and it wouldn't start. Put it back on, no problem. It takes only a minute with 2 easily accessible wingnuts and no tools. This mower starts up first crank each time and it is a joy to use. It also mows in reverse by putting the key to the reverse area after starting and pushing in the triangular button. It will stay in reverse mode until you turn it off. All in all, for my homeowner needs, I really like this mower-and at 70 bucks a cut here in Miami, it's already more than 1/3 paid for itself in a month.
To run a snowblower attachment, what model Deere would I need?
The 100 series is a riding lawn mower, if you try to do anything more than cut grass with a 100 series you will burn up the transaxle very quickly. To do any kind of actual work you really need to move up to at least an X series. The way to tell which model tractors have the heavy duty transaxle look at the rear wheels on the tractor, look for rear wheels that have lug nuts like a car tire. Take a look at the Husqvarna, their HD models are much more reasonably priced.
G56AG the lower end X Series have the same transmissions as the 100 Series. The high end X300’s have a K58 I believe, that’ll run over $4000
Good Info:
RE: 30 second oil change. Any one really believe that leaving dirty contaminated oil in a crankcase is a good thing?
No, I don't but it's easy to drain the remaining oil, with the drain plug on the right side of the engine. That's what I do.
I just need something that can just cut, a bit of power and speed, sucks up leaves in fall and good angle turns..... what ya got for me ???? 😅😅😅🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
get the S130!!!
I’m an S240 owner and I can tell you the S240 is just a 100 series with Bling. The 100 series is not a great series, unless you actually move up to an X series.
Are the spindles in the S240 100 series quality or are they X370? I have been through 3 spindles on my S240 in 3 1/2
years of ownership. I take care of my machines, I grease the spindles, and I only have 125 hrs of use on the machine: no reason any mower should have 3 spindles fail.
If you want a JD that will actually compare to the great JD machines of old you have to jump to the X370. It has the FS600V Kawasaki motor and the K57 Transmission.
That’s the combination you want, even the X series with the K46 transmission is an average machine that no one should be paying that type of money for.
John Deere has become the Harley Davidson of Lawn Mowers. Greatest marketing a company could have where people buy because of the name. The actual entry level product is poor and overpriced.
My recommendation for an JD mower is the X370, but at those price points you might as well look at the Kubota brand, Kubota is for entry level machines what JD used to be. Good entry level machines that last a lifetime.
After my experience with the s240 I will never buy another JD product again. The money you spend is not worth it.
I compared the entry level Kubotas. They start at $8999. That's more than three times the price of my S240. I think I will stick with my JD. Kubota is a little pricey for me.
perhaps those spindles have sealed bearings. Greasing them at the grease fitting will only fill an empty cavity between bearings.. Take them apart and remove seal from one side of each bearing and put them back together. your spindles should now last much longer.
@@kennethgrutter9406 wow... 9g, that’s crazy...
my e100 with 42 hours already in shop Two times.
gotta be smarter than the mower. nothing wrong with these. use common sense.
love mine..does a wonderful job..more than i expected.
My E120 is like new after 3 yrs and 65 hours.
@@sptrader6316 well mine is already 3 years and no more problems it has over 80 hours and unfortunately my garage is full, so sleep under a Tree it has a cover to protect from the sun and rain, despite all that it starts like a champion.
Am I the only one that would rather buy a 2000 John deere 425 for $2500 vs a brand new e170 or s240?
why is the kawsaki engine better? just because its more expensive dosn't mean its better
Elephant In The Room have had a Kawasaki in a JD x330 for at least 15 years and I rarely service it. Starts first turn of the key every time. It’s running in harsh condition on an island with the salty air. Never sees a specialist
Elephant In The Room ....How many Briggs do you see on Exmarks, Scaggs, Bobcats?
@@smokestack9795 Well, Simplicity brand uses only B&S engines.
Many considers Simplicity superior to Deere (including me) Entire tractor has suspension. Not just seat.
Simplicity uses a *BIG BLOCK* horizontal shaft B & S with rear PTO and 3-Point-hitch on the Legacy Compact Tractor complete with seat belt & ROPS.
The s240 model is currently $4000.00.
KAWASAKI !!! 'Nuff said....
$2600 3 years ago?!? Ouch…..
The s100s have a plastic transaxle according to other videos. Their is no way I would buy this model.
Right to repair...
We tried to use Kawasaki engins at work for something different were luckly got 3 years now the briggs we had for 10 years and still going no bull we have a briggs engine that is over 25years old and still going
Personally if I can swing it I'll go for the 1023E over these models. I'd rather have the diesel. Plus take advantage of the PTO for implements 🤷♂️
Well yeah,if spending $13k for a lawnmower is an option for you then go for it. I mowed with a 1023e at a small resort I used to work at. It did a great job,had a 60" deck with a chute blocker.
Retired 76. S240 CAN'T START IF YOU HAVE HAD A STROKE LIKE MYSELF, TAKES TWO HANDS.
I'll take that 170....looks better and bigger wheels
I got a e model and it came from John Deere
If you purchased a JD with the "Quick change" system, here's a video that walks you through converting it to normal.
th-cam.com/video/M61qwbaW09o/w-d-xo.html
Sounds like the E series is better value in my opinion.
That was honestly my take-away as well. I feel like he actually worked against himself a little bit here. With the exception of the electronic PTO for the 42" deck, I can't think of any reason I would want the S series
Enough with the understatements. E tractor (left) is not just a better value. *IT'S A BETTER MACHINE*
Better. Bigger. Heavier. More HP. Premium Seat (adjustable lumbar support) For $600 less.
E Series also better than X-330, X-350, & X370 (same trans-axle) ...................For $2,200 less.
@@raymond3803 well,no. The accel deck discharges and mulches better than the edge deck,the fr Kawasaki will last upwards of 2000 hours,whereas the low end Briggs intek will last around 800 hours and even the Briggs els engine would be lucky to reach 1000 hours. The 200 series and up use ball bearings in their wheels instead of plastic bushings. Even within the k46 model trannies there are different ratings. The s and e models 160 and below get the tlt200 transmission which is 25% weaker than the k46. The s170 through my dealer now costs $3199 and if I get the s240 in 42" deck I can have it for $3299. You can also opt for mulch control on the s240 and ×300 series allowing you to switch from side discharge to mulch at the flip of a lever. Its work the upcharge,if you can afford to plan for the longhaul. The s240 will outlast and out mow the regular 100 series.
@@ciphercode2298 I'd still take S170 over s240.
If you're going w/K-46, x370 is probably most mower for $
@@raymond3803 x370 is almost $5k and has the k57 transmission although its got a heavier built frame it doesnt mow any better than an s240 and has the same drivetrain. Would be nice to have power steering though,lol.
I always thought an oil change was easy enough. Takes maybe 5 minutes tops. So if you can't handle an oil change you shouldn't be buying a lawn mower. Having an "easy change" feature is just a waste in my opinion. I actually enjoy changing my oil.
Most mgf. Of oil filters let's you 99.9 of inpurats. R filtered out
BS about the Easy Change filter containing the majority of the oil. Engine holds 2 quarts, EZ filter holds about one cup. I have E150 and converted to traditional system, drained the oil and almost 2 quarts came out. Easy change worst gimick ever and filter costs $55.
Never had luck with Kawasaki. Briggs never had problems
The newer briggs have way more problems than Kawasaki. Kawasaki is very reliable
I think they are equally good. All engine have issues at some point both brands do very well
It's a shame I didn't know about this video , I purchased mine from Lowe's E100 model and it broke down on my third cut, and Lowe's would not take it back . I lost my confidence in John Deere.
I tell u what we use briggs engins on our tractors cut 20 yards a day 5 days a week never issues at all.we had a Kawasaki broke down all the time I have been in theawn business for 23 years briggs to us seems to do the best
The S240 has a heavier frame.
my briggs 21 hp is 12 years old i use the heck out of it i dont think paying 500 dollars for the other engine is worth it they both will last if u take care of it at my work we have briggs engines that are 35 years old or older still run great ur just trying to sell the more expensive one people will fall for it its not worth the extra money i
You brag about John Deere being made in USA. Briggs and Stratton is a USA engine company (whether it's made here is another question). Kawasaki is a Japanese engine company-so that tractor is now a half and half USA and Japanese tractor. Also the 100 series (pictured) has bigger tires then the 200 series (pictured).
I believe Kawasaki engine is built in USA..probably has more USA sourced parts than the built in USA Briggs.
Kawasaki engine, built in Maryville, MO.
Briggs vTwins are made in Auburn, AL I believe?
If I remember my geography class, both are states in the US of A?
Kohler engines are better.
JD is pure crap, I stand with farmers
These deeres are not as good as the Craftsman T240 T260 T310 turn tight series tractors
So sad the most dependable motor is japanese
Oil change is a lie. Holds just 28ounces leaving qoirt and half dirty oil in motor
It's geared towards people that put low hours on the mower in their backyard like me. I've had an e130 for 4 years and I have less than 120 hours on it because I mow 3/4 of an acre.
There's no reason the fresh oil and filter shouldn't be doing its job.