Peter Oborne: ‘I can’t forgive myself’ for voting for Brexit, but Britain will rejoin EU
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As an Italian, I have to say I have a lot of admiration for Mr Oborne and his almost Italian ability to f*ck things up and then seamlessly switch sides. Reminds me of my grandfather, who in 1943 was a member of the fascist party, then 3 days before the Allies occupied his town disappeared in the countryside, and reappeared a week later claiming to be a member of the resistance (like most adult males in town). I think he even got a medal out of it.
@@foxkillingtime The irony here is you haven't the intelligence to grasp his point.😛
@@davidmullett1152 Who rattled your mullet?
@@davidmullett1152 😥🙏
Maybe this sort of behaviour isn't exclusively Italian, well judging by this guy's stance it isn't !!
🤣😂😂
As a EU citizen, i demand our governments to organize a referundum in in every EU countries in the case the UK tries to join once again. If the EU people refuse them, then, bye bye the UK, once and for all. I vote against. If you want your money, go see the USA, they love it, too. That is what you have always done anyway.
UK put more money in than it took out. The same as Germany, UK (before Brexit) France, Netherlands, Italy, Sweden, Denmark, Austria, Finland and Ireland. The rest took more than they gave. Which nation are you from "EU Citizen"?
Yep, abandoned their traditional friends and markets in the Commonwealth when they joined the EEC, back in the 70s, and then abandoned the EU due to xenophobic attitudes. Who would ever trust Britain again?
We dont want them anymore
Don't believe all you read about the British people having changed their minds. I don't know a soul who regrets their decision to vote 'Leave', but I do know several people who have admitted that it was the right decision and couldn't see it at the time.
European nations have traded with each other for several thousand years - even through wars at times - without the 'help' of unelected politicians making up rules behind closed doors.
I look forward to the total collapse of the EU and we can go back to direct trading as we used to do, and anyone who doesn't want a consignment of 'not perfectly straight cucumbers' only has to say 'No'. I have nothing against Europeans, but the pseudo-communist EU is definitely not to my taste.
One size does not fit all. You are all individual nations with your own cultures, weaknesses and strengths, which reflects on the economy of the country, but the Brussels Circus would like you to be all the same. Not possible.
Added to which some very stringent rules for membership were laid down but are conveniently forgotten if it is politically expedient to ignore the rules. Some of these new members have proved less than desirable.
The Vicky Pollard model of international relations.
Don't worry Peter, I can't forgive you for not going away and being quiet somewhere...
HERE HERE!
He's like the inverse Peter Hitchens - Oborne is the now darling of the far-left double down news types.
This is the sort of conversation I have on a Saturday afternoon in the Streatham Wetherspoons!
Holland Trimingham - darn good all round venue.
You’re a barrel of laughs….
Does he go in there?
At least he didn't say "it's the wrong sort of Brexit"!.....he seems to have realised that Brexit was fundamentally flawed and always going to be a clusterfcuk.
But unfortunately his credibility is holed below the waterline. What else is he getting badly wrong?!
@@Sean006 People voted Brexit to take control of the laws and especially the borders. That hasn't happened. That is why the Tories will take a drubbing. But Nationalist Populism is far from over despite what guru Oborne thinks.
The problem is with this man and people like him they never leave or speak to anyone outside of the M25
It's hard to tell if the M25 was built to keep Londoners contained, or to keep everyone else out. But it is a problem - Manhattan and NYT has similar issues
Apart from going to school (Dorset), university (Cambridge) and work (International)? The problem with comments like this is the writer is unable to string together a real argument
Full of heavenly thoughts and of no earthly good!!
@@TringmotionCoUk Cambridge and Dorset Could you have missed the point any more?
@@emberplate I know exactly what the point was, and you - being not too bright, somewhat missed mine. Even if the comment was straight, outside of Poole, people working in Dorset are miles off being higher rate tax payers.
When he said he regrets Brexit, you should have asked him what he thought would happen.
Spot-on comment! 👍👍
At least he regrets that asinine decision.
His Thoughts:
Apes vs Ducks....
in Space.....
Part III...
The Musical.
Then he shorts every Company that will lose Value because of it and exchanges his earnings in USD and €.
Haha. Don´t Sue me...I am joking, just Joking...
Brits don't think.
He's so weak.
Let us be clear: no. The choice of whether or not Britain rejoins our union is our decision. It is not for the UK to decide. And we should not let the UK back. They cannot handle the responsibility.
Don’t ever let them back in.
As a British subject and a strong Brexiteer I fully agree with you. Do not let us back. We are fine on our own, and it won't be long before the wheels come off the Brussels Circus.
I agree. A long period of self-reflection is very necessary. An international trade community is not a hop-on, hop-off bus.
The wheels came off the British circus quite a while ago. Self inflicted foot shooting.@@johanwilmout4631
@@johanwilmout4631Are you blind?
The government has really called things more difficult for its citizens, and we can't sit back and bear all the consequences of the bad governance.It's obvious we are headed for hyperinflation, it is always the poor who take the hit.
Starting early is the best way of getting ahead to build wealth, investing remains a priority.
@@kemberlyw.pattersonYou are right, to be a successful person in life require he or she of hard work and times.
Stay invested, diversification for streams of incomes is very important And with the right skills and proper understanding of how the market works
The stock market has plenty of opportunities to earn a decent payouts, with the skills and proper understanding of how the market works.
I learnt from my last year's experience, i am able to build a suitable life because I invested early ahead this time.
Peter Oborne is constantly changing his mind on issues, I find it hard to take him seriously.
Frankly I have trouble believing he actually voted for Brexit in the first place.
@@SarahBakewell-pq7pb Agree, he probably never voted at all. I remember before the 2019 General Election reading an article by him telling us why we should all go out and vote for Jeremy Corbyn. This interview is awful, the interviewer is like a puppy dog. I would have challenged his crazy opinions.
@@SarahBakewell-pq7pb he did.
Sort of highlighting an issue Rory Stewart brought up; if a politician changes his/her mind then it’s seen as weakness.
@@douglasnorth2429Yes but as circumstances change you can accept a change of mind. Rory Stewart the man who would have done anything to become PM, even changed political party.
I hope people in the UK do realise that an application to join has to meet the Copenhagen Criteria, requires the approval of the national parliaments of the 27 plus that of about 10 regional parliaments and, at least in France and Ireland, an approval referendum before parliamentary approval.
Without previous rebates and exceptions. And the process could take decades. A reality check has been long overdue.
They'll be approved. But they'll need to adopt the Euro and won't get their "tax write-off". It's their best shot at avoiding international irrelevance, too.
@@DrVictorVasconcelos I wouldn't bet on getting all those approvals. It's not just the legal commitment to adopt the euro, or no rebates. What about Spain and Gibraltar, and/or Greece and the Elgin marbles? Some countries may use their veto because they consider FTPT to be undemocratic, in that EU countries have PR electoral systems. Too many ifs and buts. Besides the UK still has to fully comply with the TCA that is up for review/audit, not renegotiation, in 2025. A bit early to talk about future relations before current obligations have been fulfilled. Maybe, in the meantime, other EU countries might introduce the prior referendum requirement, like France and Ireland before approval. The EU is content with the status quo. Why should it change it because a member that left rather acrimoniously wants to return just because it finds itself up the excremental creek without a paddle?
🏴 yup
Don't hold your breath
Future governments should concentrate their efforts on re-building this country's infrastructure, industries, economy, etc rather than distracting themselves with re-joining the EU. It is highly unlikely that the French and German governments would want us back anyway.
Lets hope they don't!
Vacuous political stunts is all the hacks in government can manage.
Actually building requires leadership and a backbone
Rejoining the single market would help rebuild the economy. Leaving is one of the reasons it's stalled.
@@noonecaresaboutgoogle3219 the euro is also stalled though. would us re-joining also help the euro?
@@noonecaresaboutgoogle3219Really are you keeping ahead of latest developments in Eurozone?
He didn't just vote for Brexit, and knowingly - "It led to this period of chaos which I think was foreseeable" (yes, it was!). He campaigned and urged for it. He used his position to influence others to vote for it.
Have you seen the chaos in the eu😂😂
@@tonyrobson6457 It is not worse than in the UK or USA, man.
@@MagMar-kv9ne the amount of EU countries who have riots and farmers going against there governments because of EU legislation. The UK doesn't have that we have a few small protests about pay. I'd love to know what you watch to come to that conclusion 🤦🤣
A protest in Europe is always chaos for d brexiteers its all they wish for Europe in trouble but 27 members are a lot better than stand alone in a country with proven liars at d helm😂😂😂
@@tonyrobson6457they haven't got over 7 million waiting for health care 🤦♂️ FFS. They also aren't swimming in sewage, try again Muppet
Serious question: why would the EU want you back? Britain was a PITA when it was in the union, demanding exemption upon exemption. Why would the EU want to go through that again? Seems to me that Britain would have to concede quite a bit, agreeing to follow EU policy without exemptions.
Mainly because the EU needs all the bulk it can get with madmen in Russian and (possibly again) in the US.
@@mike_oe EU is a civil and trade partnership, not a military alliance. Britain is already part of NATO, so Europe already has Britain on its side should war break out.
Exactly my friend. For context, i am french, and it appears these britons were indeed always a problem in the EU. Are you american? If so, you are surprisingly well documented.
@@mike_oe Britain and other members of the EU are already part of NATO while the EU itself is not a military alliance. You don't have a clue about the reality of how these matters work.
Even if the UK were to agree to follow EU policy without exemptions, the EU couldn't trust them.
Claiming Starmer will be "dishonest" for something he might do - great argument there mate
They wouldn't want us back
As a German, I disagree. But you people in the UK need some time for self-reflection before rejoining.
Spaniard here. I want you back becouse is it our oportunity to retake Gibraltar in the negociations.
Only for that. There are 26 more countries, but i don't now whats they will want.
Sorry for my bad english. I am spaniard.
The interview is interesting, but the serious problems with sound editing seem to continue at Times Radio. The volume of the introductory music is ridiculously high compared to the rest of the content. Getting such things right is a very basic and easy thing to do (for anyone dealing with broadcasting), which makes Times Radio not being able to achieve that after years of negative feedback from the audience pretty astonishing. Large changes in sound volume during a show cause a real practical problem or at minimum an inconvenience for many watchers/listeners, who have to rush to turn down or up the volume whenever it changes largely. When even most individual low-budget TH-camrs get it right, why cant Times Radio?
Edit: The problematic introductory music has now been cut away from the video.
Thanks, came here to write this. I used to complain about the crackling noise, which has been fixed. This specific video has such a low volume that I cannot listen to it without headphones. It wouldn’t be hard to add a compressor.
@@germansnowmaneven with headphones it's not loud enough! Very poor!!! 🤦🏻♀️
I think the sound is excellent, when I sit here and listen in front of my stereo in Sweden. 🤔
@@bjornotter4298 They have now cut away the problematic introductory part away from the video, so you probably didn't even hear it (you couldn't have not noticed the problem, had you heard that part).
The general sound level on the video is still too low, but at least it's consistent. The overall sound quality is now good, excluding unnecessary emphasis on some bass frequencies. The aim of that emphasis is to make the voices sound "richer", but it also makes them to sound somewhat unnatural. The effect is not used very heavily, though, and some people actually prefer listening to audio where bass frequencies have been unnaturally emphasized.
I've been complaining about this for years. But I've come to realize that, the political slant and wonted dimwittery being perennially even worse, it's only to be expected.
British exceptionalism persuaded 17.4 people that "they need us more than we need them".. That same exceptionalism is now trying to convince people that we can return if we want..... This is delusional.
Wrong, on both accounts.
@@glynnwright1699 🤡😂
@@dub604 Silly cartoons, is that the scope of your intellect?
@@glynnwright1699 What, and you think saying "Wrong, on both counts" is tantamount to the devastating argument of a genius? How is either wrong? For instance: show us how the EU is just panting on the floor, begging the UK to come back because it needs it so much. Show us how the UK if poised to return to the EU by mere fiat, given that it would only take one member to say "no" (Spain, for instance, with its likely laundry list of demands). But do please go on. SHOW US.
@@AChapstickOrange The statement that 17.4 million people thought that the EU would miss the UK is complete fantasy. Some people believed that they benefitted from being in the EU, rather more thought that they were disadvantaged and that leaving the EU would be the best option.
It is convenient for some of those who lost the referendum to bracket everyone who voted to leave as easily led and of inferior intellect. The reality is that those who wanted the UK to remain failed to make a sufficiently strong case, despite the government openly supporting them.
No political party of any substance is promoting rejoining the EU. Most of that 17.4 M have been dismayed by the process of leaving and certainly don't want ten more years of divisive drama associated with rejoining the EU.
Just about every geopolitical action taken by the UK in the last five years has established 'clear water' between policies in Brussels and London, specifically much stronger connections with Asia, CPTPP, defence treaties with Japan and AUKUS.
This morning I received an email from a South Korean requesting that my company considers collaboration on a research programme sponsored by both governments, that would never have happened before 2016.
The UK has moved on from the EU, it won't be rejoining soon, if ever.
Another example of the public school journalist system where you are led to believe that your opinion on things, despite a lack of knowledge on what that matter is, is somehow more valid than that of the people who live and breath it. And Peter is one of the good guys from that stable who cna at least restrospectively step back, but still a very insular world they live in.
Greaaaatly worded...no clicks...of course.
Is your worldview any less insular?
You are journalist, public school teacher or student ? If yes, then your opinion is more valid. If no, you suffer by Dunning-Kruger effect.
@@zen4men Let me educate you.
I'm so proud of Brexit and all those who voted for self determination through sovereign democracy rather than foreign based technocratic dictatorship.
I have never met a Remainer who understands even the basic principles of democratic self determination or why nations actually came to exist and why it is important to have people who share your history, culture and heritage govern from within that nation and accountable to the people.
With that level of ignorance on all things geopolitics Remain used their vote to demand their votes never had any relevance again.
That is some serious cognitive dissonance.
As for Brexit, they said it would take over 10 years just to get worse trade deals with EU countries than we already had.
We had the same or better deals with every EU country within two years.
Yes, because of EU intransigence and their desire dissuade other countries leaving they refused to have mutually beneficial tariffs so EU goods cost a little more, but on the other hand we don't pay tens of billions up front just to be able to do that trade in a stagnating protectionist single market.
Not only that but the EU dictated that we could not make new trade deals outside the EU without their approval, imagine voting for more of that tyranny and self harm!
Now we have dozens of improved and new trade deals that diversify our exports and imports which is important in a global economy and bring in extra billions in GDP.
We will soon be benefitting from massive new trade deal within the CPTPP that rivals the size of the EU market and unlike the EU is seeing good growth.
Brexit was the best thing to happen to this nation in 50 years, the only real issue is that our special interest serving politicians don't want to take advantage of it for the benefit of our nation and people.
The answer to that is to vote in a patriotic populist government and stop voting for career politicians whoa re all signed to UN agenda 2030 and WEF Great reset.
@@Muckylittleme
You jump to the conclusion
that I am a Remainer!
I actually agree with all you say.
My ancestors
fought for the Crown for centuries,
and were at time rebels.
It makes me value Freedom -
something that has been steadily eroding
over the past 40 years.
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Not the decision of the UK to rejoin. The EU will make that decision and there's no rush.
The UK is nowhere near asking either.
The EU has provided us with over 75 years of peace and prosperity in Europe. But it is now time to reform itself. A Orban Hungary that can hold the rest of the members at ransom has no place in the EU. I would welcome the UK any time over the current Hungary.
That's NATO
@@bendreczko9054, Hungary is an eu member
@katywalker8322 Shh Alternative or made up facts are just as valid don't you know 🧐
@@katywalker8322 your right I was thinking about turkey.
@@paullarne No, it was about sending EU funding to the Ukraine, but then you wouldn´t know that, would you.
*"IF OUR VOTE DONT COUNT, NEITHER WILL YOURS"*
Exactly. You have to realise though, that YT is rife with 77th Brigade. They don’t believe in democracy anyway.
My vote counted - we left.
My vote didn’t: we left and I wanted us to stay. What a mistake it was to leave without trade deals in place. Utterly reckless.
@@Biketunerfy That is what happens in a democracy. You lost. Tough. Get over it.
@@stefenney3126 mine didn't I voted remain
Why would Europe trust us not to leave again?
Trust and the EU are never used in the same sentence.
@@lestrem11 Apparently they are, because he just did... just like "bigotry" and "gammon" can be.
@@AChapstickOrange Here’s the thing thicko. Trade has stalled in the Red Sea area because our Houthi friends antics. We send warships to guard ALL ships, Germany and France were asked to do the same, they declined, but asked for their ships to be guarded.
Of course, you won’t ‘get it’ , how could you, you are thick.
I trust the Europeans but do not trust the EU. EU is a basket case.
All countries must be sovereign, independent & self governing.
Every country in Europe is a sovereign country.
@@stewartmackay
Sadly not, while EU member.
@@danielrawlings8355 If you believe that nonsense, then you know why we have Brexit.
@@stewartmackay
EU membership requires all countries to implement any & all EC (Now EU) regulations & directives.
This removes nation state sovereignty.
Please see European Communtities Act 1972.
@@stewartmackay
Incidentally, English constitution forbids laws to be made outside its borders.
The assumption in Australia is that a future Labour PM will declare that Britain's future lies in Europe just as Harold Wilson did in 1968 when he announced the withdrawal from East of Suez that was not well received by Lee Kuan Yew and the Australian government.
The British have a long history of completely reversing foreign policy based on which party is in power or who the PM is; Empire trade preference in 1932, Europe First under Churchill in 1942, end of Commonwealth trade preference flagged by applications to join the EEC in the 60s, East of Suez in 1968, EEC membership in 1973 and Brexit in 2018.
There are plenty of good reasons why a trading relationship with a neighbour is superior to a trading relationship with one country the other side of the world.
Absolute nonsense. Times change and policies change to reflect those changing times.
@@kacrichton4434 China and India are hardly next door. Both are extremely important trading partners.
Iam a foreigner, hearing this guy the first time. Brits are falling for this? That explains alot...
The UK is the european USA. In every aspect. All bad, obviously.
20:19 The Brexit bit starts here.
Thank you!
🙏 thanks.
He seems to be a real Maggie lover. My memory is that she was the one who started moving the goalposts all the time so you could no longer trust official figures. I completely agree with the comment below.
A hugely frustrating interview on the Brexit point. The interviewer never pins Oborne down on the key points. What specific elements of the withdrawal agreement does he think are terrible compared with Theresa May's plan? Does he now wish that the UK were committed to ever-closer political union which is the core value and mission of the EU? He laments the "period of chaos" but that was induced by Johnson and Truss, who are now gone. It was inevitable that such a large change to the UK's institutional position would cause short-term disruption in any event, whoever was in charge. And finally, it is not at all clear why anyone should care about this man's opinion, which seems to be no better informed or reasoned than a random punter down at the Dog and Duck.
Well put.
Forget that folks. The UK didn't really act with committment before the referendum and it acted openly hostile and insulting towards thew EU after the referendum. So even if the UK would meet the Copenhagen Criteria and other requirements for EU membership it is highly questionable if the EU would like to entertain that. There are some things that the EU needs but having another untrustworthy member only interested in economic benefits while blocking further political integration does not belong to these things.
They seemed to be happy enough with shedloads of our money and seem to be suffering without it.
Yeah, it's a fantasy that the UK will ever get "back".
If they're re-admitted it'll be as a less important member, with far far fewer of the extra benefits they had before.
Goodbye The Pound.
So political interest and not economic! That why Eastern Europe is at odds with the EU commission! Eastern Europe joined not for political interest but for economic growth!
@@Robert-xy4xi Bringing them in was being pushed forward by the UK back then. Because of cheaper labor and so, again, economic interest.
@@SkageXL5how many of the remaining EU countries would like to leave, how many EU countries are they voting right instead of left, which lets be honest the EU is a left wing woke organisation which many EU countries are turning against.
How about we focus on uniting the nation before trying anything else.
because right wing politics runs on division.
The pro-EU camp have literally spent EIGHT YEARS telling everyone how much they hate them for their political views up to and including wishing people's elderly relatives an early death...
I mean...?
Well, here in Scotland we want out of the silly union, as do a lot of our Welsh and Irish friends. Getting back in the EU WILL help all of those countries
A lot, yes, but clearly nowhere near enough. @@whitleybayman123
it's a bit ambiguous - do you mean uniting the welsh, irish, or uniting the scots? because up until now, the english were uniting the UK just fine
I have total respect for the people who admit they was wrong to vote for brexit its the people who still think they was right to vote brexit are short of a penny 😂
Unfortunately, Brits are ourselves responsible for failing to make being in or out of the EU work. Until we realize we need to change, nothing will.
WE DONT WANT YOU BACK
Brexit Britain, a project wanted by the elderly ( the dead ), the poorly educated, and Russia, hard to believe that it's been such a disaster !
"Project Fear" designed to appeal to the ignorant, immature, selfish, poorly educated, oikophobic arrogant young . . . . sadly, despite being utterly discredited it still does . . .
Hey thanks for the words of wisdom .....it must be so nice being,young,clever and not dead...but sadly suffering from Putin Derangement Syndrome...hope you get better soon.
@@kevingilhooley2064 what’s Putin derangement syndrome?
Is that similar to gammonitus?
cupid stunt
you forgot the enourmusly rich,who did a killing when the pound fell
In 2016, there were 17.4 million supporters of brexit, in 2024 there are 480 million supporters of brexit. Who knew it would be such a roaring success.
@martin...Then we're all happy and you'll stop whinging about it. Promise?
@@chatham43 Not a logical conclusion from the points Martin made!
@@chatham43 Martin is as happy as you are.
I think you are wrong. If you count Russia, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba (forgot Cuba, hence the edit)ALL of the middle east and China, I think the true number of supporters of brexit is more in the region of 2-3 billion. And the brexiteers have NO clue why that is a bad thing
@@alana8863 Isn't it? If half of Britain wanted out and all of Europe is happy with that? You guys are so obsessed it literally warps your ability to even reason logically
I can't forgive Oborne either.
I don't know why but the audio on Times Radio videos on my computer is extremely low. I literally can't hear what anyone is saying even with everything turned up to maximum.
The whole point of this video is to help those, like me, who cannot sleep. Please leave it as it is.
its a shame the times cannot get the volume normalized, so quiet
What they need to do is boost the centre channel (for speech) and compress the dynamic range then mix down to stereo for upload to youtube.
Budget cuts due to brexit perhaps ? Its a wonder the lights were on in the interview
Yes indeed - I had to switch my bluetooth speaker on.
Oborne is a natural conservative who has belatedly realised that the his tribe are currently beyond the pale. What he is saying here is largely correct, but would carry much greater weight (including his criticisms of Labour) if he had previously criticised all sides without fear or favour.
Please tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states’ armed forces under command of the European Council, the reckless expansionism of the EU across Eastern Europe, and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East, at the EU’s open invitation. It shouldn’t take you long!
@simonclarke. I agree. Oborne had a personal falling out with the owner of the Daily Mail and, ever since, has been peddling centre-left principles to make a shilling. His career-enhancing tactics remind me of Groucho Marx when he said "I have principles. And if you don't like them I have a different set of principles."
The EU is a flop. And dangerous.
to rejoin first we would have to have left
Exactly, we still haven't fully left yet.
And what, exactly, would that involve?@@iainpattison903
@@iainpattison903 Cliched Leaver response, without evidence. If you mean, we are still influenced by the EU, then what on earth do you think would be the case? The EU is right next door to us, our biggest trading partner by necessity and sheer geographic reality, the largest grouping of fellow European states politically, culturally and economically. It's not going away. Of course we are going to be influenced most by the EU, even without being a member. That's reality - what are you afraid of?
hope the EU does not allow them to even attempt to return they will just be trouble like hungary....maybe make a deal over certain things but never again a member
Sunak, despite his wealth, is a lightweight. The only things he takes seriously is himself and his money.
How do you know that ? .do you think flip flop starmer don't.
@@dominiclane8538 So boring. How about an actual educated position rather than childish whataboutery?
@@dominiclane8538Just look a Sunak’s career in the hedge fund industry and his part in the banking crisis, which made him a millionaire, and compare it with Starmer’s pro bono legal work as a barrister.
.....and that's why he entered politics...??
@@chatham43 ....for his ego. I know you're a troll but you are a weak troll even by youtubes low standards.
_but Britain will rejoin EU_ - That's up to the EU member states, not the UK. The UK still doesn't understand that.
One word: Gibraltar. Yup. Brits ain't comin' back.
@@AChapstickOrange Good.
We don’t want to rejoin .
@@johnattwell8899that's great! As a half Italian and half Austrian I thank you from the bottom of my heart!
No problem .
You're not alone, Peter, many of us can't forgive you either. But a great interview and thoughtful opinions
A remoaner, crying for 7 years so sad.
Those of us who are actual Brexiteers don't care what you think you shitlib globalist.
@@2aph0d_b33blebr0x Such a deep and mature reply. It must have taken you ages to come up with.
@@2aph0d_b33blebr0x And you're apparently a "winner", still bitter and twisted and angry. Brexit must be going well then 🤣🤣🤣
As soon as UK left, covid appeared, shutting the economy down for two years...... but Remoaners still blame everything on Brexit.
Because things are going so well in Europe?!!
Yeah. 'Cause they weren't dumb enough to leave the EU.
I dont see that happening anytime soon. Even if the next government is pro rejoining EU and even the one thereafter. Even if there is a new referendum that is like 55% to 45% in favor of rejoining.
As someone living in the EU and what you can gather whenever the topic is brought up here, there will need to be a sufficient time passed and then there has to be a really significant majority in the UK society for the EU, in order that when UK joins in 5 years later the wind has changed in the UK again and they want to leave again.
They have to proof beforehand that they truely believe in the project EU and are truely willing to commit to it, or stay out.
On the other hand the door is always open to join the single market and other EU project and developement and science programs on EU terms, and here i see the nearer futur for the UK.
The EEC/EU didnt seem to mind when Heath took us in ilegally in 1972 when the British electorate was 3 to 1 against joining. Heath broke our Constitution to drag us into the EU dictatorship yet the EU was happy to have a reluctant member then. But don't worry, we will never return after it took us 50 years to leave it !
We needn't worry. Such an application could never happen and certainly not before the EU has ceased to exist. Given its inexorably rising internal tensions, I give it about 10 years.
@@anonnemo2504do you live in the EU? Since in here we are fine. There is always discussions and different opinions, that is part of what the EU is. After all, this is a union of independent nations.
@@upnorth2421 Thankfully, I do not live in the EU. All you say simply speaks to the power of EU propaganda, the only thing at which it excels, and I find your view that EU nations are "independent" quite risible.
Single market membership may not be an option without becoming a full EU member, the UK could possibly secure terms like Norway, Switzerland and Iceland have.
What struck me again is that the British only see the EU as an economic area and a possible re-entry only serves to stimulate their own British economy.
But the EU was founded to provide lasting peace by synchronizing economics, opportunities, education, security, human rights and whatever else. Since the British don't understand this, I am very much against the UK returning to the EU.
I agree.
Even if they meet the " Copenhagen criteria" on paper, they still would be suitable for EU membership.
"the EU was founded to provide lasting peace" - That's a joke, of course. It's quite hilarious. It reminds me of the Mel Brookes song, where he is dressed as the Fuhrer and sings:
I don't want war. All I want is peace...
A little piece of Poland,
A little piece of France,
A little piece of Portugal
and Austria, perchance
A little slice of Turkey!
And all that that entails
Und then a piece of England, Scotland,
Ireland and Wales!
A little nip of Norway!
A little spot of Greece!
A little hunk of Hungary!
Oh, what a lovely feast!
A little bite of Belgium!
And now for some dessert-
Romania, Albania
and Russia wouldn't hurt!
UK has learnt a lot from Brexit mistake...
yes but Britain did not need any of that, not been invaded for a thousand years provides a different perspective
@@SK-hv3zn It was no mistake. It was the smartest decision we ever made.
Humility is not a weakness its a strength!🤔
We have never fully left the clutches of the EU . I do not want a central group of elites dictating how I can live my life .
Fine, don't cross any borders and don't do business across borders.
@@yogibear6363 We've been doing that with the other 168 countries in the world who are not in the EU anyway, plus about 17 European countries not in the EU.
What makes him think Britain is allowed to rejoin?
Because they won't are money
Superior Queen and country down with Jonny foreigner attitudes that are bred into the 1% elite who run the country as one big estate and the rest of the plebs just roll over and let themselves be walked over by fops and idiots
Or even want to?
Because Britain paid a HUGE chunk of money.
@@F-J. Which they've made up for and more just with the trade deals they've inked since you left. That's the problem with you people. You actually STILL think the EU is about nothing but moving small green bits of paper around, and as long as you believe that, you'll be welcome to keep yours to yourself and stay out.
None of the reasons for leaving have changed. All he's stated is he doesn't like the chaos that came afterwards
A terrible argument, weakly put
We 🇪🇺 should now bend over and hand out all the Membership Benefits back for the UK so that they can do cherry 🍒 picking and get everything for free plus 350 million per week 🥳 All this and next week 🥳🤣😂
What reasons? A bunch of made up stuff?
@@patrikfloding7985 You seriously think no one had any good reason to vote to leave the EU? That it was just a 100% win for britain and there were no down sides at all?
@@patrikfloding7985 Please tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states’ armed forces under command of the European Council, the reckless expansionism of the EU across Eastern Europe, and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East, at the EU’s open invitation. It shouldn’t take you long!
Can't believe he's 'Conservative'.
I agree with your thoughts on the attempt to rejoin via the back door if Starmer gets into no 10 - however I really don't think he will succeed I think you underestimate the reaction from the British public if you rip the brexit scab off I also think that the terms that would be offered by the EU would be punitive and would not be accepted by the Electorate - better to stop trying to polish a turd and get on with life outside the EU
At last...a sensible comment
You entirely ignore the electorate and gouvernments in EU member countries. The sentiment is overwhelmingly that the UK should not be allowed back in after all the trouble they caused for decades, culminating in the Brexit mess. You make it sound as if it was all just the UK’s decision - it’s certainly not.
starmer will reep the whirlwind if he does
Why does he think his opinion is worth anything. He got the biggest issue of his life wrong and it was completely obvious.
If you close the doors permanently to someone who has a different view to you, you will live in an ever diminishing bubble till you hear only your own voice. Oborne is relevant as the media have a huge influence on the voting public. It's actually important that he now considers he was wrong, and says it openly. That will likely carry far more weight with many people who matter, namely those who voted to leave, than voices which have always been stridently pro-remain and eternally damn everyone else. Hopefully through people like him influencing their readers we can one day rejoin the EU.
@@SJG-nr8uj "the reckless expansionism of the EU across Eastern Europe?" What if I told you that those Eastern European countries are independent sovereign states that have freely applied to join the EU? If you realise that, it should be apparent that your comment is very silly.
@@mikeenwright2622Just because they have all got their greedy eyes on Western European taxpayers' money, each and every one a prospective net beneficiary, does not mean that EU expansionism across Eastern Europe is not reckless. Here is a selection: Albania (hotbed of gangsterism, corruption and medieval blood feuds), Serbia (traditional ally of Russia), Montenegro (traditional ally of Russia), Moldova (part of it coveted by Russia), Ukraine (currently at war with Russia), Turkey (upon its eventual accession it will instantly become the largest, the poorest and and the most populous member state). The others with their begging bowls out are Bosnia, North Macedonia and Georgia. As you will certainly know, because Remainers all knew what they were voting for, Lisbon Treaty Article 42 commits member states to the military aid of a member state under attack. Ukraine is currently under attack, so upon its accession, if the deadlocked situation remains the same, the EU will be at war with Russia. So your comment about reckless expansionism being "very silly" is itself very silly. And, of course, you will also know that the EU is heading for a federal state, so the notion of each one of these "independent sovereign states" remaining independent sovereign states is also very silly.
@@SJG-nr8ujI concur with most of this comment.
@@mikeenwright2622They applied because of easy money handed to them, and everyone knows it!
As a remainer, I find these regretful brexiteer anecdotes absolutely infuriating. If he didn’t know his backside from his elbow over Europe, why should we take any other prognostications from him in any way seriously?
He's changed his mind because of his Muslim / Palestine obsession
Bingo 👍
That's how I have felt about Remain from the start and every debate I have had since has proved Remain were/are totally ignorant of the facts or the real relevance of Brexit.
But then Remain is synonymous with leftism and woke political correctness so not too surprising.
I have never met a Remainer who understands even the basic principles of democratic self determination or why nations actually came to exist and why it is important to have people who share your history, culture and heritage govern from within that nation and accountable to the people.
With that level of ignorance on all things geopolitics Remain used their vote to demand their votes never had any relevance again.
That is some serious cognitive dissonance.
As for Brexit, they said it would take over 10 years just to get worse trade deals with EU countries than we already had.
We had the same or better deals with every EU country within two years.
Yes, because of EU intransigence and their desire dissuade other countries leaving they refused to have mutually beneficial tariffs so EU goods cost a little more, but on the other hand we don't pay tens of billions up front just to be able to do that trade in a stagnating protectionist single market.
Not only that but the EU dictated that we could not make new trade deals outside the EU without their approval, imagine voting for more of that tyranny and self harm!
Now we have dozens of improved and new trade deals that diversify our exports and imports which is important in a global economy and bring in extra billions in GDP.
We will soon be benefitting from massive new trade deal within the CPTPP that rivals the size of the EU market and unlike the EU is seeing good growth.
Brexit was the best thing to happen to this nation in 50 years, the only real issue is that our special interest serving politicians don't want to take advantage of it for the benefit of our nation and people.
The answer to that is to vote in a patriotic populist government and stop voting for career politicians whoa re all signed to UN agenda 2030 and WEF Great reset.
@@Muckylittleme Since 48% of the population were ‘totally ignorant of the facts’ it’s fortunate that a sage and knowledgeable majority, people like you, were there to see us right. Still waiting for the sunlit uplands though.
@@Muckylittleme Your claims about better trade deals are demonstrably wrong
The basic problem is still there in Peter Osbornes mind that applies to many commentators both pro and anti Brexit. That problem? exceptionalism, the assumption that the English are special and because of this others will be more than happy to give us what we want. The simple fact that we got virtually nothing of what we wanted in the Brexit negotiations that the EU didn't want to give us for their benefit, seems to be a lesson lost. The fact that in virtually every trade deal we have managed to strike the other side have gained more than us, is another lesson not learned.
The assumption that the UK will rejoin the EU assumes the EU will take us back even though time and time again in the past seven years we have shown ourselves to be untrustworthy in our dealings with the EU. If we did reapply to join the EU will be setting very, very strict terms for taking us back, that's if they agree to take us back at all. Every single nation currently in the EU will demand something from us outside of accepting the EURO and full membership of the Schengen Area. We may even be expected to make a financial deposit to cover the costs of leaving if we were to try and leave again after getting back in. All the concessions we used to have will be gone and no doubt we will be told we won't be getting them back. Just saying we made a mistake and can we come back is not going to carry any weight whatsoever.
I would like to know why we (UK) would be better off. How well is the European doing? Not great and neither are we, so all about equal. If Starmer takes us back in without saying that is what he will do before the election it is completely dishonest not a bit!
Rejoining will be very difficult. The easier path is joining EFTA and the single market (EEA).
Its impossible for the UK to join the EU in its current form. The new plans for an EU army alone prevent it.
The people on videos like this one are delusional.
Norway will veto it.
The UK does not want to join the EFTA or the EEA. If we did we would not have joined CPTPP would we?
EFTA members have already said "no way".
@AChapstickOrange they said that initially, many years ago because they didn't want the UK to use the EEA as a "waiting room" whilst it transitioned out of the single market.
In 2021, a trade deal was created with EFTA states, also. The states agree that the UK will be the dominant force, but they don't seem to have an issue with that anymore. The UK being in the EEA gives the club more bargaining power.
I like Oborne, don't agree with him often but he is a man of conviction, unlike the currently government who should be convicted.
Convicted of what?
@@rodneyfungus8249not sharing ops politics id imagine
LOL christ the obsession continues
@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rpof course, this current government are doing really well, especially Boris, Liz Truss, Suella Bravermann and 30p Lee. They’re my favourites. You?
A man of conviction who has changed his mind
An excellent interview, not just to hear the insightful and frank views of Peter Oborne but the excellent interviewing by Hugp Rifkind. Very few interviews are done like this - an interviewer who isn't just giving the interviewee either an easy ride or confronting them but asking searching and constructive questions, trying to generate light and not just heat.
Oborne speaks an awful lot of sense albeit about the blindingly obvious to those who take a minute to really look at things. What surprises me is that he ever thought Brexit was a good idea.
Mind you, he does not let go of the scare-stories that led to Brexit. He dismisses the euro as "a nightmare" without explaining how - half a billion people use it daily without and it isn't a nightmare for them. He talks about the EU being a supranational ruler which is is not. He rests all too comfortably on the "there were lies on both sides" line.
He is a rabble rouser, a poshish one but a rabble rouser
The worst lies came from the racists, But then, that's always the way.
But not being told who we can and cannot deal and trade around the rest of the world has big advantages ,especially as we now sealed good deals with Australia,New Zealand, Canada and Venezuela without any interference from the EU 😁
"...half a billion people use it daily without and it isn't a nightmare for them"
I don't think he's saying that people struggle to use Euros in their everyday life. He's instead referring to the fact that in many Eurozone countries their productivity stagnated from the 1990s after they ditched their national currencies. The standard fix for this is currency devaluation (i.e. which makes your exports cheaper) but you can't do that within the Euro. Now if the economy is struggling then how is a government to cover increased spending commitments on things like welfare due to an aging population? Well you either borrow it or you allow living standards to decrease. Most Eurozone countries chose the former, then after requiring a bailout post-2008 ended up going with the latter.
I'm shocked at how blind people are to the economic misery inflicted on Southern Europe by the Euro. Most of these countries have suffered a lost decade of economic growth which came at huge cost to living standards.
My thoughts exactly. Plus no mention of the importance of EU to continental security, promotion of rule of law and strong institutions (which he claims as one of his core beliefs), strength through solidarity, cooperation on global issues (not least climate change), nor that Brexit was above all an actual attack on Europe for which Brexiters, such as himself, were weaponised.
These are things to be regretful for having threatened. Not just that it didn’t work out as well as he once thought it would.
It's up to 27 other countries whether or not the uk can become a member of the EU and it would take just one of those 27 countries to say "On your Bike mate you made your bed you lie in it!" 🇬🇧 💩
What a sad little man you are.
That’s a given, but would probably be overcome by pressure from the major players who do want the UK to return!
Of course a lot would depend on the results of another referendum, if it was only a marginal result to rejoin then it wouldn’t exactly fill the member states with the confidence that we were serious about rejoining, and would indeed probably tell us to get lost! If the result to rejoin won in a landslide then I think all members would comply……eventually!
Why are you here?
Oh dear, dream on europhile.
Oh dear, dream on europhile.
Thank you for the intellectual honesty in admitting that what has occurred was what those of us who are supportive -- including those who are also critical -- of the EU foresaw.
Seems like there are no other imaginable ideas for the British like joining with Canada and/or Australia instead of the EU. Seems like those who long for the EU won’t consider anything else.
Canada and Australia are days in ship and a a day in airplane from UK EU is crossing a tunnel
@@hotsoupknor5657 The British empire had colonies all over the world. But instead of having colonies today create a union of equals.
I have often wondered what the worst aspect of our decision was to leave the EU in 2016. My thoughts at the time centred on the restrictions placed upon our young people to live as their counterparts in mainland Europe now live, becoming multi-lingual and having ease of access to other lifestyles and cultures. I also thought that Johnson's 'sunny uplands' were always a pipe dream. However, our real failing was thinking that we could detach ourselves from Europe and Europe's politics. At a time of international crisis, and the rise of right-wing nationalism, we sit on the fringe of events when we should, together with France and Germany, be shaping the future Europe. One thing is certain, we won't be able to detach ourselves from what happens if Ukraine/Russia escalates. We are a European nation and always shall be.
I love your comment.
Yours faithfully.
A froggy european citizen
So the worse thing is the fact of paperwork to go and live in Europe? That's it? You've proven the anyways v somewhere argument.
This blind belief that france and Germany should lead is dumb and evil. What have those two done for the good in the last 220 years for europe? Better that sweden holland Ireland Portugal greece poland and Czech lead the way
Why limit yourself to such a European ghetto mindset?
People can still live in the EU if they want, just a few more hoops to jump.
There’s a much more exciting world with much more interesting people beyond Europe’s borders. Thank god Brexit breaks out of such a stultifying mindset.
Why do you want to shape Europe? Isn't that the business of each individual nation? It's this kind of control-freakery that made us want out in the first place.
I lived in the UK at the time (but am not from there) and knew a few Brexiteers - and I could never get a convincing answer as to why being in a Union is good on the scale of Scotland, Wales, NI and England, but Bad on any scale beyond that. And then when I asked them if the British Empire wasn't in fact just a large Union like the EU (something many Brits are proud of, historically) they would generally just want to change the topic entirely. It was bizarre altogether.
Hehe. I sort of have something similar. I am a white male, and (therefor?) occasionally have people drone on about 'all those foreigners'. As it so happens, I was born in the US, but my parents are Dutch and they returned to The Netherlands when I was a kid.
When I subtly bring to the fore that I may be white, but I am also a foreigner, they always shut up immediately. No! They're not racist! Not at all! But the second the foreigner 'stealing their job' is white, they run out of arguments and into excuses as to why 'I am not like those others'.
Yeah...
Right...
Mainly because people from Scotland, Wales N.I. and England are all British. We are an island nation. The British Empire was managed from Britain under British laws. To equate it to being in the EU would be like allowing Botswana to head the B/E and set rules/regulations for trade. It just wouldn't make sense.
So are we talking about 1. a harmless benign, trading bloc we were mad to leave. 2. a political entity, comprised of 27 sovereign nations, but putting their armed forces together and claiming the right to deploy them as its own. 3. The imminent federal state, under a central, federal government, making all major policy decisions and which no electorate can vote into or out of office (end of democracy in Europe), comprised of twenty-seven provinces, formed with absolutely no democratic mandate? You may choose two from three (except No.1 would be a fantasy, so not worth choosing).
So true. Especially Scots that are pro Scottish independence but pro EU
@@SJG-nr8uj You've just cobbled together one of the most baffling strawmen I've ever seen.
The UK had no. 1 and had veto over the establishment of 2 and 3. It had a sweetheart deal and a seat at the table of one of the most powerful organisations of states in the world... and it blew it. Simple as that. But convince yourself it was all in service of saving the UK from some phantom superstate by being a smaller version of the same concept i.e. a customs union of countries that share resources and have a lot of autonomy aka the UK - if that makes you feel better.
Like the rest of us, he was just one man with one vote. The majority vote to leave was over 1.3 million, so there's quite a few more 'regrets' needed before the tide will turn in your favour. It really does sound like the 'remainers' cannot accept that the UK left the EU. Instead of looking backwards with a tear in your eye, look forward to new beginnings and newly formed international relationships. God help any of you if you end up divorced, by the sound of it, you'll be camping out on your ex's front lawn - let it go !
" The majority vote to leave was over 1.3 million, so there's quite a few more 'regrets' needed before the tide will turn in your favour. "
Well, let's put that theory to the test: How about a referendum about whether there should be another referendum?
"newly formed international relationships.
For example?
LOL!
People like PO should be in Government.
Of course it will . Once the Bad Faith Actors have left the stage .
WE in the EU decide who joins OUR union.
France?
Support for rejoining is support for a rose tinted fantasy that would never exist.
If a serious conversation ever starts, the realities, costs and restrictions will not be acceptable.
We’ll never rejoin.
@@fintonmainz7845 Good, matey! We are agreed. Keep us out of your mendacious, duplicitous, megalomaniac sh*t-show. We want no part of it.
We should never have left.
We should never have joined.
@@nickfreeman2093 You should never have been allowed to join and remained "the sick man of Europe".
We should never have signed the Maastricht Treaty
You are so so right. This Mr Oborn voted to leave, and his friends did too I'm sure.
why? Europe is falling apart have you seen France Sweden Italy Germany? Absurd
Why is this channel always around 1/2 the volume of pretty much any other channel on TH-cam? You'd think a radio channel would have a sound engineer or two :)
Peter Oborne went to Sherborne school (£50,000 fees per annum) and has always stayed within the very cosy Westminster bubble. It is not surprising that a gentleman of such high privilege cannot understand that Suella Braverman MP (herself a woman of colour) has more support among millions of far humbler folk than he ever could.
The current political structure in the UK Parliament is based on an opposition model. Such a political model that is centuries old cannot produce people who understand collaborative governance between political parties. Egoists do not understand give and take, but this is what political maturity looks like. Britain needs to modernise its creaking political system.
Please tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states’ armed forces under command of the European Council, the reckless expansionism of the EU across Eastern Europe, and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East, at the EU’s open invitation. It shouldn’t take you long!
@@SJG-nr8uj all this has nothing to do with your unfit to serve ancient voting system ... don't deflect from the message ...Its UK problem - not EUs ...
your ancient 17th century voting system and parliament ( unelected lords in the 2nd chamber ??? !! )) which is not providing PR is not longer sufficient for the UK electorate .
The people of the UK have a right that not some 50 % of their votes are lost !!! or do you support the loss of these votes ?? plsd to hear
@@SJG-nr8uj A United States of Europe is much better than the ship show we have at moment!
It the vision Winston Churchill had after we bankrupted ourselves fighting right wing fascism!
With all its faults, the UK has been a stable, evolving democracy for over 300 years. France is on its fifth Republic since 1792. Reunited Germany just over 30 years old is born of two utterly foul regimes. Italy has had 76 governments in 76 years. EU itself is just over 30-years-old.
Thirty-seven countries use variations of Westminster system including Denmark, Ireland, Australia, Japan, Canada & NZ. Come back in 300 years to tell UK about “political maturity”.
Oborne's commentary Friends of Israel comments are probably the most important thing I've heard anyone say out loud in the last year.
If this man doesn't drink , he should take it up
How you rejoin if 1 country say no ? ( I bet there a lot of country angry at UK , they sure have a big mouth before, during and after Brexit )
They'd want our money.
@@TheMOV13
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Hugo, I'd have liked you to have dug deeper on the power of the Israeli lobby. If conservative MPs are afraid of them there's more to it than a fear of being called anti-semitic. The word "money" was mentioned but not discussed. Is the Israeli lobby buying them? How? (cf the US AIPAC) Private lives of MPs are sometimes a tad " unconventional": blackmail?
Yes, money, power, changes blackmailing.
Look: londen lobby
Israel. Blackmail. Unconventional private lives.
Who went where. Who had a submarine and helicopter licence etc.......
Seems to be in the news quite a bit nowadays.
@@greghall7887Jeffrey Epstein
Look no further than a certain US president that dared to try and monitor Israel's fledgling nuclear programme which caused an Israeli president to resign. Ghaddafi openly spoke of this. America has been steadfast pro-Israel ever since. The lobby is a vehicle to finance and direct policy, enforcing compliance is Mossad's job.
I agree with (almost) everything said about Israel and Brexit except this: There is no 'creeping back to the EU'. That is not on offer from the EU side.
"There is no 'creeping back to the EU'. That is not on offer from the EU side.: Thankfully!!! Let's hope they keep it that way. We should continue to trade with our neighbours, but otherwise keep this odious little empire at arm's length.
@@dogglebird4430no cherry picking again! In is in and out is out! This is what UK voted for! 🤗
Peter Oborne's change of views regarding Brexit is welcome.
He should now actively campaign for the UK to rejoin.
People's love of politicians always makes me smile.
What makes him so sure that we will take them back?
Im a brit, he just wants financial security for our nation I personally still feel like we should do it ourselves and as a nation we are definitely great enough to recover from this little spell
@@EvanJGMegson Yes please, make your Brexitwork.
Be assured that there will be massive opposition against the UK re-applying for a new membership in the EU. A lot of countries have bones to pick with the UK, a lot of people are p!ssed off by the behavior the UK showed when it was a member. If I have to bet on it I'd bet on: re-entry denied.
@brightphart I couldn't vote then but I can now
You can not creep in the EU… just saying
Who on earth would want to, you fool.
Who on earth would want to, you fool.
Who on earth would want to, you fool.
No, that's because the creeps are already in it!
Yeah, the public will not accept it as per Referendum result. We made our point and we left. Now to move forward without looking back. Still not been 10 years since that vote and the whining remainers are still crying. Drop it ffs you look very weak.
Everybody says that the Israelis have gone too far in there response but what do you think will be effective to stop the people who did what they did on Oct 7th and what the Houthi are now doing?
Nothing will be effective in the long term because the "people" as you call them are not going away, the mistakes in the middle east were made 70 or 80 years ago by the major players in the world at that time.
This is a situation where no one can tell you what will stop Oct 7 type events, but everyone can be quite certain what they are doing will have the completely opposite effect. Look at the US rebuilding Germany/Japan/Korea after the war vs Netanyahu's policy of 'trimming the grass' which is a way to guarantee incidents like this happen. You can't be surprised when a small section of the people you treat inhumanely act inhumane. You taught them. It's never excusable, but it is explainable. There was no question it required a response, but collateral damage is the surefire way to breed extremists, you need to put more effort into avoiding it than you do into hitting military objectives. You need to accept that yes, you will not stop every attack like you will not stop every car accident, some of that is the cost incurred in the past coming due. The majority of people need to feel that they have something to lose as you cannot defeat someone with nothing without killing or permanently imprisoning them. Some extremists like Hamas are always going to be extreme, they should have never been given legitimacy as a strategy to weaken Fattah.
It's a shame youtube hides the dislike 👎🏼 button now
If its anything to go by, I've noticed that likes on a popular video tends be 10% of views, so if it's not hitting that then it's not well received.
I heard the current state of UK and it's economy doesn't meet the requirements of EU nembership. And if it did, the Golden Special Deal UK did have will be no more.
New rejoin slogan.
"Let's rejoin under worse terms than the ones we already rejected"
@@markperrin8098So we won't. We shall not rejoin their duplicitous, mendacious, megalomaniac scam.
The UK will never rejoing the EU unless the UK starts understanding that it is more than just an economic opportinity.
The political ‘opportunity’ isn’t attractive.
All good Brexit supporters are still glad that we escaped, go back to ec if anything
@@albedo0point39 Then stay out.
@@borisgulliver4970 You have no idea how glad the EU was to shake you off. Frankly, I'd be astonished if they accepted your application. I think you're out for good, no matter what you want or don't want, think or don't think.
@@AChapstickOrangeshake us off still begging for our fish and finance 😂😂😂😂😂
The EU is less than willing to accept UK on the terms it had negotiated earlier. We do not feel the loss very much. Brexit is not an issue to us anymore. But, best of luck 👍
Totally agree. The EU already has Orban, they don't neeeeed more idiots. Besides, the EU lost its moral high ground with Israel when Van de Leyen spoke out of turn. Do you see her? No. She's in the dog box and nowhere near a microphone. The EU are busy figuring how to get that trust back
Nor to us Brits,it's over!
@@Michael-sq5gn that's great to hear. Now we can all be content.
strange though how the uk is now outperforming the eurozone .. despite brexit
It would be strange - if it were true.
@@matthewsemple
S&P Global PMI, December 2023
UK : 52.1 (indicating growth)
Eurozone : 47.6 (indicating recession)
[Source : S&P Global Purchasing Managers Index.]
I doubt the EU would accept Britain back.
Hopefully, you are right. We need to stay out.
@@dogglebird4430We 🇪🇺 also think so 🎉
@matt...then we'll all be happy matty boy...except you who'll no doubt continue sulking in your bedroom...😊
@d😂ogglebird4430
Good we paid them enough already.
Times radio on YT is the only channel i can't turn the sound high enough to comfortably listen ... The content is as always very interesting!
It's total fake news mate.
Doesn't seem Mr O knows exactly what he wishes.
There's no remorse like buyer's remorse. You only have yourself to blame.
Something wrong with the sound levels. It's not my phone.
Would have loved to hear this.
IMHO the uk will never be allowed back,we had membership that allowed caveats that caused resentment from other EU countries.
I wept when I woke up to the devastating result. So much manipulation and misinformation to frighten people but more worrying was the low voter turnout,apathy as always.
It is your phone.
@@joesoy9185 thanks for your post but it really isn't my phone. Every other you tube channel I listen to is perfect.
How is the Eurozone?
I do understand Peter.
I can't forgive you either.
Starmer can't risk being more than equivocal on EU this side of an election. Common sense.
Timestamps for topics touched on would be welcomed.
Cambridge Econometrics has recently calculated that the decision to leave the EU has cost the UK £140bn. Usual Brexiter whataboutery reaction: "yeah but, no but, yeah but... Germany in recession!" As if that makes the UK's situation better. Brexit has seriously damaged the UK's economy. Fact. Pointing at other nations doesn't change that one bit.
Especially since most of those nations are still doing better! The UK's GDP per Capita is *ranked only 17th place* in Europe. That's not 'world beating' now, is it? It's not even beating Germany's GDP per capita: still higher, (rank 12 in Europe) even though in recession.
Agreed, many Brexiteers ignore that the UK economy recovered from covid much slower and much less than Germany France and other EU countries. The recession on the continent is mild with almost complete enployment maintained. In the Netherlands an important factor in the recession is that there is not enough personnel to fulfill many posotions which cause a slower economy.
Where you from Marty?
The only way the UK can improve its per capita GDP is by severely limiting the level of low end immigration. It'll also halt the sharp decline in IQ.
Dysgenics is strongly linked to economic decline.
There are also too few workers in Germany, especially too few skilled workers. All of Europe is in a mild recession, inevitable after Covid, the energy restructuring and the war in Ukraine. As an export country, Germany is of course feeling this global purchasing reluctance somewhat more than countries that are not as export-oriented.
Starmer is NOT being dishonest. The UK will NOT rejoin the EU during the next parliament, and not even make an application for membership. Because it will take more than five years before the UK is ready to apply for rejoining.
Starmer harmonize with the EU, trying to improve the deal the UK has and moving much closer to the EU. But that is certainly not being dishonest to the voters now.
"Starmer is NOT being dishonest. The UK will NOT rejoin the EU during the next parliament" - He also said that "Britain's future lies outside the European Union" - and "Freedom of movement is gone and it's not coming back". Did he mean those things? Or was he lying?
@@dogglebird4430 He may be sincere about that, but I am sure the People can prevail on him to act differently. Certainly, a new referendum will decide this issue, not the opinion of a single man. But first public opinion must become overwhelmingly in favour of rejoining.
Perhaps, like Cameron, he will step down after the referendum.
@@TheEvertw "He may be sincere about that, but I am sure the People can prevail on him to act differently." - You mean his word can't be trusted because others could persuade him to break it? "But first public opinion must become overwhelmingly in favour of rejoining." - Yes, and to determine that would necessitate a fresh referendum - with it made perfectly clear that the UK would have to accept some quite unpopular terms, like the Euro, unlimited migration from poor EU states, a huge financial contribution with no rebate, Schengen and so forth. An "overwhelming majority" for that? Don't hold your breath.
there seems to be very little attention paid to what is going on around Europe in the UK media in general which in my mind is far worse than what is going on in this country but people like this just never seem to want to cease Britain bashing.AMAZING !!!!
UK has to change before it can step on to the rejoin road. A heavy dose of poverty will spread the regret. As the stock market is now feeling the pain...minds WILL turn to rejoin. Nothing better than rich people becoming poor, for a rethink to happen.
Love the idea of UK rejoining the EU, but dream on. Why on earth would they want us back?
I agree. I doubt anyone alive today will see us rejoin. The gammons did generational damage in the name of what they saw as patriotism, oh the bitter irony.
why on earth do we want to go back 🤣🤣😆
Because we buy German Cars! 😅