Is the Eminence DV-77 as good as they said? DV-77 vs V30 & More
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- Some years after it’s release, I get to check out an Eminence DV-77. Is it a V30 killer or was it just hype?
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Time stamps:
00:34 Intro
02:51 DV-77 vs Vintage 30 - Setup
03:54 DV-77 vs Vintage 30 - Playthrough
11:20 DV-77 vs Lichtlaerm LCFR-150
16:10 DV-77 vs Hesu Demon
20:25 Final Thoughts
21:34 I started a Patreon
Signal chain:
2016 Mayones Duvell 6 Standard with Dimarzio Titans
Lichlaerm Audio Prometheus
Marshall 1960 AV
Eminence DV-77, Vintage 30s from the year 2000, Lichtlaerm Audio LCFR-150 and Hesu Demon (all 8 Ohms)
Shure SM57s
Rupert Neve 511 500 series preamp modules
Audient ID24 mkII converters
Reaper
TH-cam
Your crappy phone speaker
your ears
What did you think of the DV-77? I think it's rad.
I made a bunch of IRs of it and the V30 available via my brand new Patreon:
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Great video and demonstration!!! When I designed the speaker with Mick, we really wanted to capture some of the magic of the older Celestion speakers, while delivering a unique sound all its own. It was never meant to be a direct competitor to the V30, but I see why people group them together. Maybe I can send something new we are developing to you in the future 👍🏼
Thank you very much! I think you did a great job and I'd be delighted to try anything you develope!
hey man! is the DV77 the speaker that is used in your plugin as well?
@@6oundStudio Unfortunately no. The DV final prototyping was completed at a similar time that our Plugin was being completed so we weren't able to add it. The speakers in our plugin are based on the VM12-65 that we had produced, and the MS-60 in the plugin was a prototype that we never released. We will be releasing an IR pack that I highly recommend as we feel that they better represent what our cabs and speakers sound like.
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Great! Let's talk soon and we can start getting the logistics sorted when the time comes.
@OMEGAAMPWORKS Will the VM12-65 be available again any time soon?
DV-77 sounds so tight and articulated.
I think the opposite, a tremendous lack of thightness and transient response. Sounds too soft, too compressed. The high end too "harsh". It reminds me a little bit the old greenbacks at the breakup, but, messy. just like any eminence speaker. I say that eminence speakers sounds great in the bedroom at low volume, but in the real world of stage and studio, it doesn't do the job at all. There's always something bothering me.
Great speaker - I know I'm biased but I loved the blend of DV77 and the LCFR here! The rolled off presence of the DV77 really profits from the grind that the LCFR brings to to the table! Now I need to get some DV's to blend them. Thanks for making me spend money
I know, right? I was going to go for a V30/LCFR blend in my 1960TV but I guess I need to find another DV-77 now too. Screwed myself aswell
I'm building cab right now waiting to receive lcfr 150s. Dv77 and lcfr 150s are match made in hell can't wait till projects complete!!!
I have one Mesa 4x12 with the stock English V30s from the 90s and an identical cab with Swamp Thangs & DV-77s in an X pattern. The Eminence-loaded cab is my favorite. Absolutely incredible.
Ive only ever used v30s for the last few years but im blown away by the dv 77 and hearing them blended together was perfection to my ears, i know mick used to use the g12k100 and jim uses v30 and together they sound amazing, but they knocked it out the park with this signature speaker.
Great video as usual dude!
I fell in love with the panned left dv-77 right v30 sound, thank you so much for sharing the IRs
Hope you enjoy them
I enjoyed this video. I have the same cab with two DV 77s and a V 30 from 94 and a V 30 from a 2000 Mesa cab. Sounds killer. They sound great together. Great video!!
I love the clarity and tightness of the DV without sounding shrill or nasal. It sounds fantastic on its own but I think it really shines when it's paired with a high mid focused speaker.
Agree! It's one of my favourites I have tried
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne mine are paired with CV75. I have about 4 pairs now.
I liked it. To my ears ir's very "dry" and precise, sounds like the speaker they used to make for VHT. Congrats on the channel, cheers!
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Great demo! On its own the DV-77 probably isn't my speaker, but the DV-77 + LCFR mix sounded great!
Cheers!
When I bought my Marshall 2x12 used I was pleased when I found it was loaded with a DV-77 and a V-30 G12. I feel they complement each other very well. I played the Same cab with 2 V-30s and it sounded a bit thin to my ears which illustrated how present the DV-77 was in mine. Once again great video!
Congrats on your lucky find
The King of speakers has returned to bless us with yet another cool video!
Both speakers sound great and will deliver. But damn, i cannot get enough of the V30. I just love that speaker.
Hahaha! Thanks, man! Yeah, I'll never fall out of love with the V30 either
Was not disappointed, solid vid as usual. Like I mentioned in the group, love my pairing of the DV-77 and CV-75 in my KSR cab.
Will say, from a production standpoint, I will cycle between a V30/G12H for stuff that is primarily on 6 strings, but for my stuff, which is all ERG related, that aforementioned combo has been my goto.
Appreciate the free IR’s and it’s rad seeing your channel blossom into what it is. Keep it up, and thanks! :)
Thanks, man! I appreciate the comment. I can't wait to try the CV-75!
It does feel like the channel is blossoming a bit recently which is nice
I bought the DV-77 right when it came out because I was having such an issue with my Marshall JCM800 4010 combo amp that had a Celeston Wolverine speaker in it, the top end would rip my head off and literally give me headaches. I swapped in the DV-77 and absolutely magic, so pleasing to the ears in clean or driven sounds! I love the note articulation and the lack of high-end fizz. I love the midrange to me is where it's at and how it definitely keeps the low-end tight and defined. Definitely my favorite speakers, especially on bright amps.
I want to get more for other amps I have , however a month after I bought mine , I went back to the same store to get 4 more for a 4x12 cab and the guy told me they more then doubled the price in a month. That just turned me off. I've just been waiting to see what happens. Has absolutely nothing to do with the sound, still my absolutely favorite speakers, thanks for this comparison video, it definitely adds more reassurance that I made the right choice. I don't have thw same means to do a comparison like this , so it definitely helps. Thanks ,Cheers!
Subscribed! This was just the vid I was looking for! Nice way to compare without putting it into a mix, just raw riffs to hear each nuance of the speakers. Well done man! I was specifically looking for this because I only have one cab (not looking to spend now for something else) with vintage 30s and was looking into the DV 77s lately. This showed me the vintage 30s will sit in a live mix for me well with the frequency range I'm looking for. It makes sense since I don't have any 7 or 8 string guitars or songs I play and I feel the DV 77 does have its place in a modern aggressive area for heavy music for sure. (just what my ears hear, Im sure others might hear different) It seems to have more of a darker set for lower chug stuff, but I'll stick with my vintage 30s since they are good enough, and I'll save a bit until Im ready to tackle a new cab down the line. I love the frequency response display too, cheers man!
@@arthurnunez970 Awesome! I'm delighted you found the video helpful
I gotta say that entire rig looks sick. The lichtlaerm, the marshall, and the mayones.
Heck yeah! I was so excited to see this thumbnail when I opened TH-cam! I appreciate you and all the time and effort you put into these videos. Thank you so much!
Thank you very much!
If I’m ever interested in something man, you’re the guy I want to find info out from. Channel so good
Man, thank you so much! Really makes me feel appreciated
Wow. This is the first speaker you’ve AB’d against the V30 where it actually holds up and sounds BETTER imo.
For simplicity sake, the V30 just sounds so much older than the DV77. It sounds flabby and harsh while the DV77 almost sounds mix ready on its own for the genre. Really sick.
Fantastic video, that DV-77 sounds excellent 🔥
Thank you!
Great comparsion! Unfortunately the DV-77 is still 100€ more expensive (in the EU) than the competitors. So I will go with the demon and combine it with a V30 in my 212cab.
It sounds great for me when is combined, it feels like more direct to my ears 🤔maybe with the hesu is more aggresive and with the Lcfr more balanced? Great vid as always John 🤘🤘
Thank you!
I pair the DV-77 with a hempdog, I was so close to selling the hempdog, but that would take a few paragraphs on what I'd done wrong and why the combination sounded bad.
Ive never liked the hiss of the V30 on its own, but pairing in with the DV really balances out the weaknesses.
You're makimg me want to shoot out the Hempdog with an LCFR for a first video.
Great video as always, mate!. I'll look into your patreon!.
Best speaker videos on TH-cam! I wish you had done a comparison with the LCFR on the cap edge vs the DV-77. In your LCFR video that was my favorite mic position!
Thanks man! I appreciate it! Yeah, I would not have minded that myself. At the same time, these videos always end up longer than planned and I am running out of riffs 😅
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne haha yeah you put a lot of work into these! Thanks again 🙂
Just found your channel and it's one of the best, you're a mad scientist.
Obviously some random guy here making requests but the only thing that could make this video better is adding the comparison in a mix.
Use the 3120 next time too😂❤
@@mtlgtr-q6k Appreciate the comment, man! Thank you!
Yeah. Mix clips are the next step I should make
Sounds great! Thanks so much for doing this comparison, John!
Keep up the great work, man! Always appreciate the videos and always laugh at the channel name.
Making you laugh is half the battle
Damn dude, good stuff. Thanks for the IRs, they're awesome! Nice full midrange chunk
Thanks, Eddie!
The DV-77 is really cool. Love the sounds of it on its own over the other speakers, but when you mixed it with the LCFR that was a jewel
Yeah! I'm very tempted to put two DV77s and 2 LCFR-150 in my 1960TV cab
Great video and thanks for the IR´s! Appreciate it!
DV77 has become my preferred speaker to listen to. It mixes well almost anything. I have one matched up with a Redback in a 212 cab and the blend of the two puts my 412 Mesa cab to shame in a lot of ways. V30s are cool, but they are so ubiquitous. They also seem to have a stifled top end that either lacks fidelity, or can be too harsh/fizzy… but I don’t need to tell you about the V30 😂!
That DV77 has some really nice mids. It sounds a lot closer to the noises I’m hearing in my head 😅I might have to make some irresponsible choices after this and somehow enough to end up with a Prometheus as well.
I approve of you lack of responsibility
This is why these speakers are popular when paired together. Great video!
The DV-77 isn't bad, although I've only played IR versions of them and not through the physical speaker inside a cab. I never truly gelled with it in the past, but I totally get why other people really like them. That demon speaker though, that is more my speed! Thanks for the speaker comparisons John, looking forward to the Fane F70 review. They get a lot of attention, but I haven't heard too many examples of that speaker being played.
Just ordered 2 DV77s to put in my Mesa cab in an X pattern with the V30s..... cant wait!!
Great choice
what a cab? i have trad straight and also think to blend 2xdv77 in X pattern
@@Slava_Kovalenk0 Mesa Traditional 4x12
@jonathananthony1901 that's cool, if you don't forget, describe how result, I also want to change 2 v30s. I borrow from them
@Slava_Kovalenk0 absolutely! I'll post the results and differences I notice. The speakers should be here tomorrow, so I should have a chance to install them and give them a good play-through by Friday.
The Eminence CV-75 might be interesting to try out. It sounds better than the governor to me
Already have one and hope to test it soon
Excellent comparison, very well done. DV77 sounds great here, reminds me of a K100 in a good way. V30 is also very nice here, is it a recent one? The DV77/V30-blend is my favorite. The other two speakers are way to high end focused for my taste.
Nice to hear some new riffs! Well done, John.
Thanks, man! The V30 in this is actually from the year 2000
Great video!! I prefer the other three speakers over the DV-77 in your demo. You just saved me a heap of money! Thanks for the great content
Another fantastic video, man! I will also love to see in the future the WGS Reaper on your channel . :D
These are like the 4 best metal guitar speakers.
I've thought about this and I concur
Phenomenal
Thank you
Recently i built my own Cab, 2x12 loaded with a DV-77 and a Demon. And The Combo is killer. Sometimes im a little bit annoyed of the slightly high fizz of the demon, but overall great sound.
Yes. All of that checks out
Another flawless video. I think the DV77 is a fantastic speaker but I still prefer a V30/Demon blend
Thanks, my friend!
Great demo! dv77 +lcfr150 sound amazing)
Sick video as always! Also JB's IRs are really amazing lol. Pretty much what you hear in the video is what you get on the IRs!
Thanks, Lucas!
It all sounds like SM57
I've watched a few of these now and my takeaway is that Eminence tend to be a more fizzy and compressed while the V30 is very dynamic and mid forward with a rolled off top end. So the two blend really well together.
excelente video parabéns e obrigado pelos IR
As a 80's Fane Classic 50 guy I'd love one for one of my tube amp repair test cabinets.
I like it but for me the V30 is still supreme. Blended is the way to go. Love your comparison videos thanks for making them.
My pleasure! Thanks for being here!
Compared to V30 the DV77 definitely sounds tighter and it seems it also has a faster low end and mid-range response. There's a certain glassiness to its mid-range.
My favorite speaker for chuggy thrash is the DV-77 8ohm. I also have the 16ohm variant paired with a CV-75 in a 2x12--it's other worldly. Nice Prometheus btw.
Thanks!
I paired a DV-77 with a Fryette P50E and I've been very happy with the results. I'm trying to find something a bit more unique than the traditional V30 sound, and I dig the results. Cheers from the High Desert!
I really wished they made an 8 Ohm P50E. Just got a 16 Ohm one recently and dig it!
That DV sounds nice! I definitely still prefer that old-school V30 overall, especially on single notes.
I think comparing the DV77's sweet spot to the V30's IS the apple to apple's comparison. Funny that they landed in the same spot... But even when they don't, that's why you have the best comparison videos on TH-cam!
Cheers, mate! Really appreciate the comment!
Nice video as ussual. Good job man.
Regarding Demon, what I noticed this speaker is more for 7string guitar, low tuning and specialy for very dark amps. You shoild try Victory Kraken (great with this amp) or PRS MT also very nice. I also noticet that Demon doesn't like EL34 somehow. No idea why.
Anyway , dv77 is a great speaker for me too .
🔥I enjoy the tones and your playing Dr Evil/
Thank you!
Awesome demo man! I need one as well to try out! 🔥
You can borrow mine!
Great sounding speakers :p Now what to put into my new 4x12?!
Thant amp sounds bad ass, A very granular distortion kind of like a Saldano but maybe saggier. It's hard to put in words but man that sounds good.
Sometimes I think the Dv 77 has the perfect balance, others I think it lacks bite. The v30 I'll think sounds aggressive asf and then others harsh. Lol I guess it just depends on my level of ear fatigue. The combo sounds awesome so I guess I know what I'm doing
ive just recently build a 2x12" with an DV77 and an Hesu Demon. great little box that is! when i can get an Lcrf 150 ill try that out too! =)
Sounds awesome! I liked that combo a lot. Do check out the LCFR-150 too! It's awesome!
Definitely a modern classic! I prefer the DV-77 9/10 times when compared to my Mesa V30 speakers.
Ive always felt like the DV77 was missing some of the upper aggression of the V30 in a mix, but they blend great together. The DV almost feels like if you pitched the V30 curve down, or like a bigger, deeper V30.
Great way of putting it!
Thanx for the ir! I'll check in soon 🎉!
Which speaker combo was your favourite in the room? I am building a 2x12 cab now and you have me interested. I don't record so how it sounds in the room is all that matters to me. Thanks John. I love your videos
Hard to say as I liked all and there was some time in between changing the speakers but I think the DV-77/LCFR-150 was my favourite. That's when I felt most comfortable and played the best
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne thanks again. I have my heart set on the Demon. Just haven't picked which speaker to pair with it.
Super Sound and super Video
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Both together sounds good, but if I had to pick one it would be the DV-77.
It sounds better for me when is mixed with another one, like more direct 🤔 Is it like more aggresive with the Demon and more balanced with the Lcfr? Great vid as always John 🤘🤘
How did you like the DV-77 and Demon combo? I'm thinking of trying that. Does the hiss from the Demon bother you when mixed with the DV-77? Love the videos man, very informative.
No, not at all. The Demon can get a little bitey under the mic but you can fix that with post EQ. In the room, it doesn't bother me and yes, the brighter Demon blends very well with the smoother DV-77
Great great great video !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Exactly what I asked for !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Glad you liked it!
Which speaker is best?
Yes
Agree
DV-77 sounds very thin on higher string as where the V30 is more rounded and smoother. But the DV-77 sounds better on lower bass strings. At least what I am hearing.
I have a dv77and v30 mixed and sound pretty good. I like the 75 Creamback better I believe. Maybe. Great video.
Thank you!
Paired the DV-77 with a Celestion Neo Creamback. Nice, smooth AND aggressive.
It's been a while since I had some Neo Creambacks. You reckon I should get one again?
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne My guy, The only videos I could not find are with the DV-77 and Neo Creamback. I watched comparison after comparison. I didn't want 2 of the same speakers in my cab. I wanted salt/pepper on one sugar/spice with the other. I loved how the DV-77 sounds and loved the gritty/creamy nature of the Neo Creamback. Sweating, I pulled the trigger buying both with discounts, one from MF and one from Sweetwater. I was very happy with my purchase. My rig is indeed mine, lol.
Get the Creambacks and compare each with the DV-77, get some views.
You're welcome.
DV -77 is perfect with Hesu Demon. Demon is more like V30 killer and it complements DV-77 perfectly in mix
Im quite fond of the R and L blended eminence and hesu I might use this combo in combination with a engl vertical 212
I like the DV 77 better, cause it has the high middle that I like. But I think it would pair better with a m160 to smooth out the highs
Oh fantastic and perfect timing! I have a KSR oversized 2x12 with DV-77's on order. Question, John: do you think I should get the LCFR's for a 3rd cab option along with my v30 and dv77? Another option was going with the g12h-creamback 75's and alnico cream 2x12.
DV-77 and G12H Creambacks sound excellent together 🤘🏽
@@moonelfcosmo I love blending the ir's in two-notes WOS. Love the tones I get from that.
I'd definitely get an LCFR-150 too
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne I wonder what a 2x12 with LCFR and a g12h-creamback 75 would sound like?! Best of both worlds?
@@RequiemDeadI may try that
Dv77 sounds waaaay better than the v30. Alot smoother and balanced as opposed to the spikey top end of the v30
Are the speakers 16 or 8 ohm ? What your though about ohm value? I owned a set of 4x Mesa UK 2007 16 ohms and a set a 4x DV77 8 ohms. I like both, the DV77 has a very pleasing frequency curve while the V30 has more highs, seem to have less bottom and more complexe mids
The speakers featured in this video are all rated at 8 Ohms. Based on my extensive V330 testing. 16 Ohms appear to be slightly ducked in the mid range with the tendency for slightly elevated highs which is very much in line with what the experts say
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Wow Thx for the answer!
Actually really like the DV-77 a lot here. Has a nice midrange to it. Could maybe use just a tiny bit more bite in the highs, but sounds good as is. Is it 16 ohms or 8 ohms here?
All speakers in this video are rated at 8 Ohms
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Nice, so maybe we could get just a tiny bit more brightness out of it with the 16 ohm. I think I might order a pair and throw them in a 2x12 and experiment...
@@justsomerandomguyman I'd say that's a reasonable assumption. I'd love to hear back from you how your experiment went
Every Eminence speaker except for the Wizard sounds dark, scooped and paper like.
i love them !
Did you see Sneap was saying he is quite happy with the new V30's coming out of celestion these days
Did he say that on Tone Talk? Have not watched it yet!
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne yes mate, it's a pretty good wtach
Which speaker did you dial the tone in with?
I dialed it with the room sound and made sligth adjustments here and there
a real upgrade would be Electrovoice (EV, EVM) ,Altec, JBL, Fane
Any particular model you think I should be looking into?
the dv 77 has more lower mids but full midrange grunt
I’d love to know what you think of the Vtype speaker
I will get to that at some point. I have one stored away
I wonder how boring a flat response (NOT full range) speaker would sound compared to these... They each have such pronounced resonances. I wonder if a non-low-passed "flat" 12in woofer even exists.
Use any "cab sim" circuit on a pedal from the 2000s that basically what they were doing.
@@rossbalch Oh, like a "cab sim" EQ curve. Yeah, that could be a control for IR comparisons.
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Do the p50-e vs dv-77 and v30 next
I'll be doing a P50E video soonish
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne i own all 3, p50-e is my fav.
can you make a video dv 77 vs wgs retro 30
Maybe sometime down the line. At the moment I have a lot of video ideas on my list, I'd like to do before