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I just got off the phone with Holy Stone. I bought the hs 720g in July. It's on the compliance list, but isn't complaint. They gave me a free RID module. Is that a thing companies can do to get a drone that doesn't have built in RID on the compliance list?
@@mattalford3932 that's not the way it works. The one on the compliance list would be Standard Remote ID, the module is not, it is a broadcast module. My guess is they have the DOC approved but had the old stock left (or just didn't have the parts yet) and are giving a module away as a bonus. It was hard to get the electronics back then so have to give them credit for offering the module.
I spoke to our local Law Enforcement and they told me that they are not going to go out and look for drones with or without ID unless they are operating in an unsafe matter to endanger people and /or property. They have real crime to act on.
That is how it will work most of the time with LEO or FAA, might be a little different if Karen calls as LEO has to respond sometime, though if you "fly it like you stole it" you'll most likely be long gone by the time they roll up regardless... 🤙
@@Accurize2 I appreciate the sentiment but I doubt that is always the case -- for example, if someone is near an airport and using a laser to harass aircraft taking off and landing -- you absolutely should want to enforce the "federal" statute. Likewise for a drone operating under or in the departure/approach corridor interfering with air traffic in/under controlled airspace. Of course, these are more cut-and-dry examples of violations compared to a recreational drone user in uncontrolled airspace not doing anything obviously dangerous.
My son received a small DJI drone for Xmas. I’m trying to learn and follow all of the rules, but this is all very draconian. Who has 40 hours to figure this stuff out? It would have been less complicated to get him a handgun.
They absolutely know no local law ANYWHERE will enforce this because it's a joke to even think about spending time and resources for it. They're only doing it because they know that 70% of RC aircraft enthusiasts will comply because we're a good community of law-abiding citizens. This is just ANOTHER tool to be used to surveil anyone deemed a 'threat'. If they can tighten the restraints on privacy, no matter the theater, they will absolutely do so. It's been proven time and time again. Make no mistake, that is 100% the only reason.
@@richarddutton1981 they don't need local law enforcement to comply. Geofencing exists. They just need to tell DJI to brick all old drones that they can, which they'll happily do to sell new drones.
So, if have a part 107 and fly your 60g mini whoop around your yard recreationally only (not many ways to charge a fee for flying your mini whoop...)...it needs to be registered and have a RID module on it? Seems a bit silly...!
I don't know if that's what's going on an I could care less what they do I'm just trying to figure out why something would scare a person that bad if something was in your face in something so big wouldn't you want to know why . An I didn't say it was government I'm just try to explain what it looked like . I could care less about the government obviously they have there own issues I wouldn't want to make them more !!!!!!
it's because human nature dictates that there will always be some moron out there that will ruin it for the rest of us. But hey...since your not such a fan of Government regulation...perhaps you should consider a scenerio where you might wish that Remote I.D. was out there. What if you walked out back to have a smoke and beer, but you noticed a buzzing. It's night, you look around but can't see anything. Then you hear the sound of a tiny prop scraping glass, and look up to see that some voyuer is peeping in your windows at your children. With Remote I.D. you could just pull up an app, take a screenshot, then submit it to the police. Your first response will probably some stupid unrealistic mumbo jumbo like "I'd just shoot it out of the sky!". Well, good luck. It's dark, it has no lights on it, and it has no remote I.D., so have fun figuring out who the operator is. All of these regulations are in place because people often times lack common sense.
Good news. If you have a mavic mini 3 or 4 you can turn off RID. Just use the standard battery and the drone will disable RID. If you decide to use the extended flight battery the drone will recognize it, and turn RID on because the drone is over 250 grams.
I don't mind to broadcast to a specific law enforcement entity, regardless of how annoying it may be, what really irritates me is knowing that people that has nothing to do with my business and that I have no business with have the capacity of tracking me, locate me and possibly confront me just for the sake of give a hard time due to their lack of knowledge, and what about safety? What if their looking for someone to steal from a quite expensive piece of equipment that anyone would love to have? Is that Part of safety have been considered by the FAA ? I don't think so.
The FAA should make companies like DJI either update their software for the controllers so that it complies with the rule, or get them to produce a lower cost module
That is exactly what they have had in place over a year now. One issue, among many others, is that you can't add GPS to an RC through a software update. That's the problem DJI's Smart Controller is currently dealing with for example.
Boy you guys certainly avoided the elephant in the room: namely invasion of privacy because of RID. If your location, name , drone type and flight path are all being broadcast out there for the public to see, it raises safety and personal security issues and crosses the line of the 4th amendment. What do you think the public reaction would be if these RID rules were applied to everyone's car?
Not avoided, just wasn't the forum. I asked pointed questions multiple times to Kevin and obviously we aren't feeling the love with the FAA's stance: th-cam.com/video/u2ujNdNgdd4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=s9ezxDy4ZV9SlLPU&t=1359 .
Soo you can't fly your drone over 400 feet but you can launch a giant UNMANED weather balloon that is at least 10 times the size of a drone into space without any regulations whatsoever, well depending on payload but for the most part its perfectly legal for anyone to do this. This as far as I am concerned is just more proof on how ridiculous the FAA rules and regulations really are and how I feel this is more of an issue with government control than it ever was about safety.
I watched this just after the stream was live. I didn't get home in time to watch it live sadly. This answered questions I had but raised more in the process. The first question Greg brought up about drones that are RID compiant like the Air 3 and the Mini 4 that are not on the DOC list. Kevin said that legally they are supposed to be on the DOC list but didn't say that it was legal to fly if one of those drones are registered as standard remote ID compliant (as my Air 3) but wasn't on the DOC list yet. Also the rule about RID compliant drones are required to have a permanently affixed sticker on the drone stating such, I don't think I have seen a DJI drone yet with an RID compliant sticker. I actually called DJI tech support and at first they were trying to tell me that it was the FAA that provided the sticker and had to explain that it was the drone's manufacturers responsibility to at least provide the sticker to it's customers that they said they would email me one. They also said in true DJI fashion that they would raise my question in regards to the Air 3 not being on the DOC list to the appropriate department and get back to me. This whole thing I think is a ball of confusion.
Hello! Thanks for the comments! To answer this question "Air 3 and the Mini 4 that are not on the DOC list. ... legal to fly if one of those drones are registered as standard remote ID compliant (as my Air 3) but wasn't on the DOC list yet.?" The answer is as of September 16, 2023, it is illegal to fly this drone as it does not have FAA accepted/published standard RID. That being said, this is a perfect example of why the enforcement was modified by the announcement of the March 16th, 2024 date. You have made the effort to comply and expect that this will be remedied soon, so you would be given this time leeway for DJI to figure it out. However, if on March 17 2024 it is still NOT on the FAA approved DOC list, then it would be an illegal drone to fly and would be subject to enforcement actions for non-compliance. For the second question regarding labeling, It is the manufacturers responsibility to supply proper labeling according to the rule, but if they do not, it becomes your (the PICs) responsibility to affix one before you fly. Hope this helps! 🤙
@@AlienDrones Thank you, this is about the straightest answer I've gotten from anyone. I appreciate the information greatly. I actually did find the RID information for my Air 3 printed on the label inside the battery compartment. But it is so tiny printed that I had to use an LED flashlight and my iphone 14 pro max to zoom in enough to read it. I'm left half wondering if I should print the zoomed picture out and keep with my other documentation just so it can be read if I ever do get approached in the field.
@@wismokey I finally found it. It’s in the battery compartment. I’m exaggerating, but it feels like you have to have an electron microscope to see it. I used a flashlight Ave my iPhone 14 Pro max camera to zoom in enough to see it
@@TechJB65 I was thinking of getting the Air 3 myself. When you said you found the RID under the battery compartment, does that mean it's legal to fly and operate now? I'm still learning.
I am not installing a remote ID module on my model airplane.I fly safely and my flights only last 5 minutes each.I also don't see an FAA inspector showing up at the local park.Im just going to take my chances with remote Id noncompliance.Its not about safety.model flyers can be located by anybody with a smartphone app.Its a dangerous and scary fact.
My question to the FAA..if this is about safety from purposely reckless and careless drone operators, then why would they put on a tracking device in the first place?
Great video, appreciate it, a lot of questions answered. One question I really would have liked to have been asked has to do with sub 250 gram drones. As I understand it, DJI's sub 250 mini series (3 & 4) broadcast RID right out of the box, with no ability to turn it off, even if flown recreationally and never registered. In this case, again as I understand it, it may not have the registration number but it broadcasts the drone serial number in addition to pilot location and drone telemetry. Is this true? If yes, why? Does the FAA require this? If yes, then that seems like a huge end around their own rule which provided an exemption for sub 250 flying recreationally. This would seem to be an overreach of FAA authority to go beyond the final rule. If the FAA does not require this, then perhaps this could be made clear to DJI so that they could change the behavior so that RID is not required to be broadcast for sub 250, recreationally flown, DJI drones.
Thanks! The answer is that the FAA does not mandate that drones 250g so they had to make it standard remote ID compliant in case the heavier batteries are used. The RID rule states that RID cannot be disabled by the operator, so DJI turns it on to be RID compliant, not knowing which batteries will be used. This is how RID is transmitting even if you use the batteries that keep it
@@AlienDrones Alternatively, could they not also have tied RID broadcast to registration (like the FAA)? If you don't register the drone, and enter the registration info, no RID broadcast. If the user/operator does not register the drone, but flies with heavier battery anyways, that is on the operator, not the manufacturer. Honestly, either idea works for me, but tying RID broadcast to registration seems like it could be done with just a firmware update.
@@AlienDrones Thanks! That does help, but it suggests that if any drone could possibly be flown in a manner that required RID, it must always be on, even in cases where it is not legally required. Since any sub 250 drone could be flown with added weight, whether from a heavier battery or any other external device, or under 107, then that means essentially that all drones must always have RID broadcast turned on, that there is effectively no exemption for unregistered sub 250 drones going forward. So is the FAA requiring this degree of rule enforcement or is DJI doing this on their own? If it's the FAA requiring this, it seems to be going beyond the authority of their published, final rule which clearly provided for the unregistered, sub 250 exemption. Does the FAA definition of tamper proof mean it has to be broadcast when not required or does it mean if the registration info is entered into the drone that RID can not be turned off, but not for unregistered drones? I thought RID is tied to registration, so if no registration info is entered, then manufacturer is not required to broadcast RID, right? If the operator attaches something to the unregistered drone, or uses the plus battery, or flies for commercial purposes, then that is on the operator, not the manufacturer, right? Correct me if I am wrong, but if you put a plus battery in an unregistered drone, it will still take off, right?
@@RebelByNature This is being done by DJI. FAA does not mandate this. Yes, if you put a heavier battery in it will still take off and any rules of registration, RID and any other safety or compliance issue is the responsibility of the PIC (pilot in command).
@@AlienDrones The part that concerns me is the bit in the regulations about "standard remote identification unmanned aircraft" On the one hand, drones not required to be registered are supposed to be exempt from RID requirements. On the other hand, for drones designed and produced to be "standard remote identification unmanned aircraft" (and not sure if this is the situation for DJI Mini 3/4) then there seems to be no such exception. In fact, part 89, sub part F, paragraph c, specifically excludes drones "designed and produced to be standard remote identification unmanned aircraft" from the 250 gram exception. At least this is my read and concern. This seems to be a glaring bait and switch in the rules on the order of "if you like your Dr you can keep your Dr, if you like your plan, you can keep your plan". If I have this right, it essentially obliterates the under 250 gram, recreational exception for store bought drones. I wish I could get your FAA contact to comment on this.
Great Video. Could you please have a similar video Live with the same Guest on the question of "Line of Sight" and Drone Category for Flying over people and moving vehicles. PLEASE. I am a student of Greg Reverdiau's class on line. I understand these regs are/have changed where you can specify the category for your drone based on capabilities. But most high-end drone mfg's dont want propeller guards since they reduce performance.
Thanks! As far as the FOP and moving vehicles, you cannot specify the category of the drone, the manufacturer has to specify the category of drone (with the exception of the class 1 below 250g). These classifications are kind of irrelevant now that the FOP and FOMV waiver exists... But, point taken, hopefully we can get together again soon and talk over these regulations!
I just had a quick question, I fly only recreationally, and if I want to fly one of my long range fpv drones out of line of sight, would I need a waiver, and does this apply to sub 250g drones as well? Note: my long range flights are usually in the woods and mountains away from people.
Couple of things... first, keep in mind if you're flying with goggles on then you need a visual observer or you are flying "beyond visual line of site" even if the drone is close to you as you, as the PIC, do not have direct line of site. Second, yes, you could apply for a BVLOS waiver but they are 99.99% rejected. BVLOS rules apply to all drone weights, there is no distinction between above or below 250g. Being around people or in the wilderness, or Part 107 or recreational makes no difference either, if it's in the airspace then the BVLOS rules apply. Hope this helps!
@@AlienDrones There is a way around the BVLOS rule that I practice all of the time while flying with FPV and goggles. And that is the FAA jurisdiction only kicks in if a craft is flown above 2 feet from the ground. Which is set too low if you ask me. Since my RC 4 wheeler exceeds 2 feet many times with every jump and thus it must be equipped with RID and registered with the FAA which I believe is ridiculous. Anyway flying within 2 feet from ground is a bit tad tight. But I'm always up for a challenge anyway. 😃
I operate Ag spraying drones. I've had 2 Ramp Checks in 1 year and a 3rd scheduled for next month. Thats 3 in less than 2 years. Question i was hoping would be answered is; Why do i need a Remotes ID when i have to already file a NOTAM to conduct operations? All my flights are contained to a a specific area already reported to the FAA.
An interesting video but....... why would anyone give up their rights if FAA or LEO comes up to you asking for information/papers if you're not doing nothing wrong. Anyway interesting video and we'll see how all this pans out.
@@BillW50 DJI was on the committee that recommended remote ID to the FAA. Just of all the money they made from gorging people to buy new drones, because DJI made their old ones obsolete.
5:19 My drone is on the declaration of compliance list, and it's not in any way compliant, lol. It lacks the capability to broadcast a RID signal. I'm going to fly it anyway.
I live in Canada BC, i have only seen one dji mini pro 3 in the air just before i got mine ! and seen and used mine as well in my local neighborhood from my backyard, it was amazing footage in 4k and seeing something you would not, unless in a plane, or your superman LOL ! But my point is that ive never seen other drones than that around me anywhere? these cost 12 to 15 hundred the average person is not going to buy these around you and your drone neighborhood !
Sorry I do not. I would consider saving yourself some frustration and just print your own. It's pretty basic, I have an email from Skydio that shows printing your own and they just state "FAA STANDARD REMOTE ID COMPLIANT". So nothing special...
5/22/24 - just saw a video on Utube showing the New Mini 4 pro weights 292 grams if you use the extended new batteries. Pay more and give up the 249g protection.
So far no one has been able to explain to me the value of limited tracking of toy planes and quadcopters that fly in parks and school yards. There is no "Drone ATC" that can track any and all drone traffic so what is the point beyond some exercise in control ? I can see the value in tracking commercial drones so we know who to sue when one falls out of the sky while flying over people and property to make their deliveries but none whatsoever in tracking of model aircraft that have a better safety record than just about any hobby, sport or vocation. All it has accomplished to date from my POV is make the local park I've been flying in for the last 10 years a literal ghost town as most took up the few spaces at the AMA clubs or started playing golf in lieu of the possibility of being harassed or fined for enjoying the hobby that they enjoyed for so long without any government intervention (40 years in my case) .
I just purchased the DJI Air 3 and I have already registered it as a remote ID compliant drone. I didn’t know that it wasn’t listed on the FAA site as a drone that meets the requirements. That’s because it is a new device that has not been approved yet. But I have already registered it and it’s up to The FAA and DJI to get the Air 3 approved that’s not my job. I have already done my part. So I will fly regardless.
"I have already registered it and it’s up to The FAA and DJI to get the Air 3 approved that’s not my job" -- not your job, but definitely your responsibility until it's on the list. Watch the video.
Enforcement discretion is a key part of the law. It can be used to ensure the law isn't enforced beyond its intent or too heavily. However... this kind of massive discretion isn't good. The penalties are huge and it isn't easy for people to comply. Yeah, I get the whole speeding ticket analogy. I don't think it is similar. Speeding tickets can hurt the wallet but not like FAA non-compliance. It is simple to just lower your speed, but complying with remote ID can be challenging depending on your model aircraft and where you live. There is also a traffic court judge as a check on the system.
Cant fly a drone over 250 grams without harsh penalties. Meanwhile, in a state like California, you can shoplift with no recourse and no one will stop you. Totally sane and totally normal laws..way to go politicians! Job well done....
I have the HoverAir X1 from Zero Zero Robotics and really enjoy using it. It only weighs 4.5 oz (125 grams). Question - In the US will the HoverAir be required to have some type of FAA Remote ID capability in order to fly legally 2024?
IF you fly only for fun, then Remote ID will not be _required_ unless you decide to register it. However, you are still required to follow ALL the other recreational rules for drones, which I discuss the exact requirements in this video: th-cam.com/video/b3yQYl7eAeQ/w-d-xo.html . If you have questions feel free to ask!
There is at least one 10-gram RID module in a 20x20 format. While this is a "little" heavy, but certainly workable. Just using a light weight battery might be sufficient to keep the weight that is still workable.
HI CAN WE ADRESS THE NEED OF A GRACE WEIGHT OF SUB 250.. WE ADD REMOTE ID NOW WE NEED A 107 JUST BECOZ OF WEIGHT???? ITS SILLY TI NEED A 107 FOR A FEW GRAMS..I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SUB LIMIT DOUBLED SO WE CAN STILL FLY ?????? TYHANK UUUUU...
This is not an FAA question but probably a drone manufacturer question but I will throw it out there. If a sub 250 gram drone, like the DJI Mini 4 Pro, is not registered but is remote ID capable is the remote ID active and transmitting even though the drone is sub 250g?
I would presume that if it has remote ID, it has remote ID. On the plus side, you can register it as a recreational drone if you want to. I will need to unregister my Mini SE, because it does not have remote ID.
The rule states that Standard remote ID must be transmitting and must not be able to be disabled. So if the manufacturer decides to install RID on a model, regardless of the weight or registration requirement, it _should_ be transmitting RID. Specifically however, the mini 4 has not been recognized by the FAA yet, (according to the lack of approved DOC) as an RID compliant drone, so it is possible it is not transmitting yet, you'd have to double check with DJI to be certain. However if this drone were registered for any reason, it would not be a legal drone to fly unless the RID transmission were approved on the DOC and transmitting.
Remote ID now, but what about next year? What do we do the next time the FAA e-wastes all existing drones, in hopes hopes "industry innovation" will again magically appear to meet the next undue burden. Pretty terrifying to invest in a business or hobby that is on a rapidly accelerating track to be defacto-banned for non-enterprise use within a couple years. When we reach that point, drones without Remote ID tracking will be a valuable commodity, as every private pilot will have no choice but to sail the seven skies.
EDIT: I see that this was answered near the 21:40 minute mark. Keith, so what about a company that sold a drone this summer that was over 249 grams and didn't have Remote ID installed. Should they provide a module for free since they ignored the FAA dates? What should the distributor do? What should the owner of the drone do? Is there anything the owner can do to get the mfr/distributor to do to comply?
Honestly, what the company should do and what they will do are two separate things. They shouldn't have been able to sell it, but buyer beware. It is the pilots responsibility to make sure the drone is compliant before flight. If the drone purchased is not compliant then send it back, ask for a free module, ask for a free upgrade via firmware, and when those don't work, either buy your own module or use it as a doorstop. Sucks, but simply the business sold illegal product at the buyers expense.
@@AlienDrones I did return my EXO drone because of it. And bought a DJI Mini 3 Pro. So much happier that EXO is no longer my drone supplier. I'd never buy one from them. Too many issues they couldn't answer, 5-8 hour battery charges on my Ranger X7 Plus, jello video even with the "wonderful" 3-axis gimbal, yaw snapbacks, not having accessories in stock, and the list goes on.
@@Stirling_RC_Videos EXO did have momentum but obviously they have faltered in taking care of their customer. Apparently they are no longer the company they once aspired to be, which is too bad for us. Good thing is that the Mini 3 will treat you well for sure, so all's well that ends well! 🤙
The FAA should have no power over model planes helicopters or drones. They are not able to stay on top of piloted planes. Remote ID should not be constitutional.
Remotely controlled devices of any kind did not exist when the constitution was written, let alone any sort of "true" flying devices, so, your argument is invalid.
Appreciate the video and the dialogue. It illustrates how ridiculous the rule really is. In some areas, even before remote id, you can't have a drone but can literally carry a loaded f'ing gun. Think about that for a second. If Karen gets an app to track where my quad is, I expect an app to track where Cleetus and his pistol is.
@@chipsawdust5816Incorrect. The constitution makes it clear that more rights exist than are listed in the bill of rights. The federal government was never granted the authority to prohibit model aircraft. It isn't in its enumerated powers. 2nd amendment is superfluous too other than for incorporation. Even the interstate commerce clause doesn't help as plenty of people build their own within the same state. It is pretty established in the history of our law and country that people have property rights and autonomy. Of course this is all my opinion. I doubt our court system would agree with me.
@@chipsawdust5816 incorrect. We have the RIGHT to the pursuit of happiness as long as we are not causing someone else to not be able to pursue their happiness. Flying a rc model in a safe manner does nto harm anyone else whatsoever.
@@username7763 Brother, you were born 120 years too late for that argument. The viewpoint of the FAA is to keep the NAS safe. Sadly, in the early days of drones, a lot of stupid people did a lot of stupid things. When people do stupid things, laws spring up as a deterrent. There is no right to fly any more than there is a right to drive. It's a privilege, not a right. And privileges can be regulated or taken away. The rights we have are being eroded as well, but that's another topic.
@@chipsawdust5816 You definitely are a 'cleetus', since you apparently don't understand that while flying the drone may be a privilege, you have a right to privacy. And yes, that extends to public spaces when it comes to having your name and address broadcast via an app that anyone has access to. The average drone pilot is so unbelievably submissive and stupid it's incredible.
@@VRVitaly If flying recreationally under 44809 and not registered then nothing is needed, ever, to fly legally. If it gets registered for any reason and the Std RID installed is not approved by the FAA before March 2024, then yes, a module will be needed.
@@AlienDrones Hi Keith, yes going for the Part 107 test this week. So thanks I did order a module to be compliant. this is silly considering this drone has this incorporated and not yet "passed" on the FAA site. thanks for the answers.
@@VRVitaly No worries. Just want to make sure I didn't give the wrong impression, even if you're flying under part 107 you shouldn't need a module on the mini 4 through March 2024 because the drone is sold as having it, but simply not yet approved so technically it would fall under the latest enforcement reprieve from the FAA until then. This is the exact situation that the enforcement delay covers. If on march 16, 2024 it is still does not have approved STD remote ID, THEN you would be required to have a module if flying 107. So if you want to, you could wait for a while to get a module and see if it gets worked out, which I would expect to happen... Good luck on your 107 regardless! 🤙🤙
I just received my new FAA card .. it says I am NOT required to have it ,, in ( ) says Remote Id not required ??????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????
New to this Hobby, please excuse the ignorance. I have a remote ID module on order, the drone is yet to be registered. If I register the remote ID Modul does the drone need to be registered as well? Being that the RID broadcasts the appropriate information already.
@@gfiplug Under recreational rules, the drone does not get registered, you do. So there is only one registration number that is shared between all your recreational drones. This registration number then will have the remote ID serial number added to it on the FAA site during registration. Keep in mind that only drones over .55 lbs need to be registered (and then have to have remote ID), lighter ones do not. Good flying!
How do I check to make sure my drone is transmitting remote ID? Because all I've heard talked about is which drones should be broadcasting Remote ID. Or if I am challenged by Barney Fife can I say "Well according to the Drone Zone and Pilot Institute it should be broadcasting.
If your question is not rhetorical, you do not have to prove it is broadcasting. If you have a module, there is some indication that it is broadcasting like a flashing light. Point to that if asked. If it is standard remote ID (built in) then you can't turn it off and it won't fly unless it is broadcasting properly, so by the nature of it flying, it is compliant. If you really wanted to have boots AND suspenders, you could have a copy of the FAA DOC for the broadcast (module or drone) with your other documents needed. In reality though, the likelihood of anyone even asking is fairly remote. If you are doing your own due diligence at least trying to be compliant you'll be just fine... 🤙
The one I have came with a label on it already. I would assume if there's not a label you should get one from Bluemark since it has the SN and such on it...
for me kinda wondering if the FAA is possibly not allowing more DJI drones to be accepted due to all the gov. bans that are in place against DJI right now? It's kinda looking that way given how other companies drones are on the DOC list that were out prior to the requirement yet DJI drones so far are limited on the list currently compared to the number of drones. Just curious because I know DJI had put out that they were awaiting approval from the FAA for a lot of their older drones yet nothing has come out yet for them being on the approval list.
@@kmox340 that's good to hear. Didn't think they would but just crossed my mind being DJI had mentioned within their forums that at least all of their 2's would be compliant in time for RID yet hadn't seen hardly any of them on the DOC list as of yet is why I was kinda wondering.
@@kmox340 Sure they are. DJI sent in the required documents 6 months ago and they still aren't listed. I bet 5 years from now they still won't be. Unless somehow they remove the ban off of DJI. Which is very unlikely.
What does it mean when I get this message on my DJI RC controller? The message I get is this (Remit I error). My drone is a Mavic 3 classic so why do I get this message?
Where can I get a module which fits a DJI Mini 2 SE, which complies ith Part 107 C1, c2, C3? DJI is telling me there is a third-party RID module the FAA has released. I am currently trying to learn to fly my drone and plan to get my part 107 in the next few months.
One of the smallest modules that is self contained is the Holy Stone module (Amazon), it will work for any drone: amzn.to/3ShgeXi and there is a video for it here: th-cam.com/video/CY4syImI9xg/w-d-xo.html . That's probably your best bet to possibly have one fit on the Mini 2 SE.
YES.... My question. what if we are harrassed by Karens who have an antidrone vendetta and are using the publicly available information to track and harass us? (sub question) -> why isnt the RID information encrypted and only available to the FAA/Law Enforcement?
It didn't take a group of undercover officers two weeks to make contact with me. I was flying RID without registration b/c I'm under 250g. They wasted 3 days searching for me b/c I only have one battery. Literally just a Fake-State out harassing instead of working.
@@SlackerU yeah i dont subscribe to your brand of anti gov paranoia. i have legitimate concerns directly applicable to situations i've experienced. peddle your bullshit elsewhere and leave legitimate concerns to actual serious fliers.
@@0utcast I know my neighbor called. I'm not anti-government I just wish they'd have looked at the Tax Auditor's web site before they decided where my property line was in their pathetic attempts at government intimidation into forcing us to pay extra in needless civil suits. Most attorneys won't take cases in the most dangerous place in all of Tx unless you intend on moving before they file for you.
I am very much in the anti-RID camp, but I am not in agreement with the encryption argument. All it takes is for one person in law-enforcement to leak the key and anyone can decrypt it. They key would have to be made available at least half a million to even much larger number of people depending on who counts as law-enforcement. Good systems change the key on a periodic basis, which would be very difficult here. Also, just because someone is the police doesn't mean they won't abuse their power. Instead of having a system that is a logistical nightmare, where the key will be leaked to people who want it, it is better to have the data in the clear for all to see.
My drone is effectively dead and my investment lost. I cannot afford a remote ID retrofit nor do I feel that a broadcast module makes my drone safe to fly. My only option is to purchase a new drone which is not in my budget today. I will fix that by charging government officials more for the products and services that my business operates. Hope their plumbing doesn’t go bad because it is about to cost them double. Of course I can not do that, but I can vote for politicians that fire these idiots.
Question please. I apologize if this was missed or asked already. I have a registered and compliant FAA RID. I have read alot about others (as well as mine) broadcasting as required (according to the blinking light on the module) but have an issue with the module linking to one of the many 3rd party RID apps. To the point, am I required to have an app actively tracking the RID while flying? or am I still compliant even if not linking to an app? Thanks for any information.
The rule is that you need a compliant "broadcast" (as indicated by the blinking light), not that the broadcast needs to be received or acknowledged by ANY app... This video talks about a module _Broadcast_ vs. _receipt_ of the broadcast... th-cam.com/video/GJBNqKafe-Q/w-d-xo.html
@@AlienDrones I see those quotation marks on the word "broadcast"... Does that mean we can leave the antenna out of the port for that and just bridge the gap in the port with some solder? (/j, don't actually do that, probably "turbo illegal"...)
If I fly a sub 250g drone strictly for recreation but would like to get my part 107, just for personal education. Would I then be required to have a remote ID if I am still flying for recreation and not for profit?
For clarification, "Not for profit" is not a criteria for part 107. If you get your part 107, any time you fly under part 107 you need to have the UAS registered and transmitting RID, regardless of what you're doing, even if for recreation. Only way to fly without RID is a UAS
@@AlienDrones This still doesn't really answer the question. If you become 107 certified is it then assumed that any and every flight you take from that point forth is under 107? Or do you have the ability to take out a quad and just fly for fun without all of the bullshit? You replied that if you get your 107, "any time you fly under part 107", this implies that you can still fly under 336 if you are 107 certified.
@@dooddrones6521 Every single time you fly a drone that is registered under part 107, you are flying part 107, period. There is no option where you can fly that drone without remote ID regardless of the mission or the weight. The ONLY WAY you can fly THAT DRONE without remote ID is to 1) UNREGISTER the drone, 2) REMOVE the registration label from the drone, 3) Take the TRUST test and follow the rules of a CBO, 4) Fly for fun only. No remote ID needed in this case (assuming the drone is < 250g). If you want to fly that drone again as a 107 pilot, FOR ANY REASON, you must 1) REGISTER the drone under part 107 (pay $5 to do this), 2) Enter the RID number within the registration of the drone on Drone Zone, 3) Add the new registration label to the drone, 4) Have the remote ID on and broadcasting for each and every flight you take, regardless of what you are doing and regardless of the weight, as your drone is registered under part 107 and you are flying under part 107.
@@AlienDrones The question was if an individual is able to fly recreationally after getting a 107 certification, no mention of using a certain model. The answer is: yes. I have no idea why that took multiple paragraph long replies.
@dooddrones6521 Sorry, just trying to help clarify a convoluted rule. Your original question was about the individual getting part 107 _and_ the drone transmitting RID. Don't conflate the individual and the RID requirement. Part 107 is an operating rule, RID is an equipment requirement. Remote ID ONLY relates to the DRONE and if it is registered or not, for any reason. If it's registered, it needs to transmit remote ID.
For the home-built drones, can't you just add one of these "RemoteID Modules" to it? Kevin mentions "standard" RemoteID compliant - is "standard" meant to indicate there is another type of RemoteID? Ah, Keith kind of answered it later with "the modules are heavy".
Indeed, "Standard" RID is supposed to be built in to all new drones that need it. There are "Add-on" modules available for those that don't have RID built in. Here are a couple: th-cam.com/video/CY4syImI9xg/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/GJBNqKafe-Q/w-d-xo.html One is cheaper and smaller, one has the "Anti-Karen" feature...
If you have a tiny whoop and want to operate it under part 107and cant fit remote id on it you have to get authorization from the faa administrator? Thats utterly ridiculous and a complete waste of time and resources. Seriously, do these guys listen to themselves?
Why is it that every time the government gets involved it’s overly complicated? All these videos and it’s still unclear for most people. Registering vs remote RID broadcasting, who and when and what has to be broadcast, etc. What a mess!!!!
Indeed, it is convoluted for sure. The easiest way I can explain it is if the drone is _registered_ for any reason then it needs remote ID. That's it. 🤙
But the Mini 4 Pro isn’t even on the DOC list… so I’m registered but not sure what else I can do. And can only over people because it’s under 250 grams? It’s all so confusing. They should have a chart or table and if they can’t fit it on there then it shouldn’t be a rule.
@@TheSaint226 If you have specific questions I'm happy to help. If you're only flying recreationally, unregister the drone. You don't need to it and then you don't need remote ID. You cannot fly over people with the mini 4, even though it is under 250g.
You can easily create your own labels. Just buy a cheap label maker and use waterproof labels. I have my FAA reg on one and my RID on the other. Slap them on top and call it a day.
So DJI is now updating firmware that provides remote ID in some of their drones. What if they don’t or are not able to add these drones to the certificate
By certificate I'm assuming you are referencing the FAA's DOC for RID, and if DJI doesn't get the FAA DOC accepted and completed (and the broadcast working on the drone) by March 16, 2024 and the drone needs registration for any reason it would not be legal to fly in US Airspace unless a RID module is installed.
This is all BS, government overreach and control, we sell land to China but we are scared that they will use our drones to spy , registration I can see RID overkill for a recreational flyer.
It's called a FSDO or Flight Standards District Office. The state of Maine is serviced by the Portland FSDO Inspectors based out of there would be the ones to enforce the FAA regulations for that area.
Funny how Keith and Greg are not laughing it up but Kevin is laughing like this is a big funny joke. It shows how ridiculous even Kevin thinks this is. The safety of the pilot is critical, simply don’t broadcast the pilot location. And putting a $350 remote module on a $400 drone that is so heavy it screws up the performance is stupid
I think that you should subsidize remote ID for a year so that us poorer folks can afford the module. You are forcing a 100$ part yes we can switch drone to drone but those types are heavy for my type of drone and cost 150-200$ the 10g module at 100$ X 4... I think you should subsidize them down to 25$?
I think I heard that it is a software problem blocking the approvals. Don't have any details but hopefully if this IS the case it should be resolved soon.
If you are flying recreationally under part 107, then RID and registration is required regardless of drone weight. If you are part 107 but decided to fly recreationally under USC 44809, then RID is not needed AS LONG AS the drone being flown is not registered. If the drone is registered for any reason (required or not) then RID is needed. RID is directly tied to registration regardless of part 107 or 44809 recreational. Registration=RID. The only exception to this is if you fly in a FRIA zone, then no RID is required.
@@AlienDrones Thank you so much! To clarify my understanding, when you say under part 107, you mean as a part 107 license holder or for commercial shoot? I'm assuming I would have to have a different FPV drone for unregistered non-commercial use as a license holder.
@@stellarmediacollective7953 Yes, part 107 is the FAA part 107 certificate typically used for commercial work. Indeed, if you already have a drone registered under part 107 and if you wanted to use it for 44809 recreational use and not have RID on it, then you could un-register it or yes, use a different drone.
@@AlienDrones Understood. I have had my Part 107 cert for 5 years now. I was just trying to comprehend the pathways for my recreational and commercial work separately. Thanks for your help!
Contacted DJI today for RID readiness and they informed me it should be registered late Q1 2024 for my MINI 2 Easy to fly. Happy with FAA regulations to avoid problems with misuse.
Please help me something happened with a drone ive been trying to figure this out we seen light threw the trees we was getting ready to leave in our car we started down the road it followed us at some point it was above us i was looking towards my husband i said im going to look an see where it was an omg it was in my face out my window i think i could have touched it we are a dirt road it was staying with us im not whats going on it was moving like a sy fy movie then it went in front the car above the driver now its been hovering around for a week we live in a basement apartment we seen it just above the trees outside our door as soon as it seen us it came as close as it could to the tree thats outside its pretty big i think its government it looks like an lockheed martin RQ170 . It comes towards you when u go outside this happening at night im so scared im just a stupid hick from the country what do i do Please give me advice thank you
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@@SueNolf No worries, did see something, some lights I guess, tough to see what is going on. If you're concerned just call your local sheriffs dept and have them take a look. Probably some legit reason for whatever it is but I get it would be nice to know for certain.
This "rule" is only going to do 2 things and NOTHING MORE. 1) Assure P107 pilots will not be P107 pilots anymore. Who is going to pay $50- $400 to put a tattle tail module on their drone if they plan to fly it where they shouldn't or in a nefarious manner? They're obviously not. P107 pilots, on the other hand, are required to shell out $$$ for individual modules for each and every single flying thing they have. As a 107 pilot, I can't use one module and swap it between all my craft. I have 20 recreational RC aircraft (planes and drones) that's 20 modules or $1000-$8000 for aircraft that aren't being flown commercially or making me any money. I also have 2 issued drones for work and 1 drone I use for side work. All 3 with integrated RID. Everything else is for fun in a hobby I've been in for 35 years. If I forget to register a module, forget or lose a module, forget to charge a module or just want to maiden a new foamy in my yard, I'm out of compliance and risk loosing my ability to fly legally for work, in other words, I lose my livelihood. 2) Module manufacturers just became toilet manufacturers, and by that, I mean you can't build a house without at least one so the company is required by law to make money. What better business model is there? RID will not save one life or one manned aircraft, not one. It will destroy recreational RC flight and ruin P107 livelihoods and that's the point. All because Amazon wants to flood the skies with delivery drones. You will never convince me that the FAA heard all those voices against and still instituted the rule. Lobbyists had a bigger say as they always do.
That's an interesting thought. Thinking you could fly there but you'd have to follow all the part 107 rules EXCEPT remote ID if your drone is not capable of transmitting RID. The FAA also states "Standard Remote ID drones and drones equipped with a Remote ID broadcast module may also fly in a FRIA, but must broadcast Remote ID information." Kind of odd, but of the FRIAs I've seen there's not really a good reason to go there just for fun...
This is a classic example of government sticking their two cents into things they do not understand. Radio Control hobbiests have been flying Unmanned Arial Vehicles for over 50 years and had no issues requiring governmental oversight. All of a sudden now they are lumped into this quagmire. Listening to this conversation there is still so much ambiguity in the rules and regulations especially surrounding the 250 and sub drones and the RC hobby, it makes it a nightmare participating in such activities. Or how the government can ruin a cherished 50+ year hobby.
Non compliance is the only way forward. I just asked them if they have done any risk assessment, as broadcasting out the location that we are operating expensive equipment from is dangerous. The answer was not just no, it was that we had to worry about and fend for ourselves. It's not a matter of if, but when a criminal is going to hurt or kill somebody to steal their gear. And make no mistake, their blood will be on the FAA's hands.
See 2nd amendment. Non-compliance is not the best option. If something were to happen (an accident) then the investigation would likely lead to enforcement action against the operator.
@@SaveThisRepublic I've been flying for over 7 years without incident and I'm not about to radically change my operations to satiate the unconstitutional desires of some power hungry assholes. I'm responsible for my own safety and I will not be installing devices in my craft that will blast out, to every jackass in the world, the fact that I'm using expensive equipment and where exactly to find me. As stated above, criminals will use this to mug, rob and kill people.
Only problem with that is that there are too many within the drone community who love rules and regulations. Most of the drone channels talking about RID seem indifferent or actually excited. If the FAA released new guidelines tomorrow reducing the flight ceiling from 400ft AGL down to 50ft, there'd be a tidal wave of new videos from TH-cam drone channels telling everyone how awesome the new rule is and that its a good thing because it will keep everyone safer and who really needs to go that high anyway.
I have a sub 250 but if I fly at night, it has to have the light on it for night flying, which makes it now over 250! Does it now have to be registered? I was going to register my sub 250 and found that registering it was a circus! I thought that I would describe the drone, pay the $5 and that would be it, but it turned out to be a round and round circus and I gave up on it!
Drones are toys. This is total overkill. No plane is allowed to fly below 500 ft except for landing and no drone is allowed to fly above 400 ft. This is total government overeach just like banning large sodas was in new york! (You can hit a baseball almost 400 ft!) If there was ever a good case for civil disobedience this is it! And the part 107 for commercial applications is totally ridiculous since no drone is ever allowed in the same airspace as manned aircraft. It's almost impossible to get ours or any other government to actually listen to their subjects that the rule over but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try! Whats amazing is the number of citizens that gladly hand over their rights to bureaucrats!
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I just got off the phone with Holy Stone. I bought the hs 720g in July. It's on the compliance list, but isn't complaint. They gave me a free RID module. Is that a thing companies can do to get a drone that doesn't have built in RID on the compliance list?
@@mattalford3932 that's not the way it works. The one on the compliance list would be Standard Remote ID, the module is not, it is a broadcast module. My guess is they have the DOC approved but had the old stock left (or just didn't have the parts yet) and are giving a module away as a bonus. It was hard to get the electronics back then so have to give them credit for offering the module.
I spoke to our local Law Enforcement and they told me that they are not going to go out and look for drones with or without ID unless they are operating in an unsafe matter to endanger people and /or property. They have real crime to act on.
That is how it will work most of the time with LEO or FAA, might be a little different if Karen calls as LEO has to respond sometime, though if you "fly it like you stole it" you'll most likely be long gone by the time they roll up regardless... 🤙
I fly only in the beautiful mountains around where I live, so maybe Karen will have to be in good physical shape. Hahahahaha
@@AlienDroneshow will a karen know if a drone is under 250 grams. I bet they will call about birds flying around too!
I am a local police and I can verify this. We don't go looking for Federal laws to enforce...because we have no authority to do so.
@@Accurize2 I appreciate the sentiment but I doubt that is always the case -- for example, if someone is near an airport and using a laser to harass aircraft taking off and landing -- you absolutely should want to enforce the "federal" statute. Likewise for a drone operating under or in the departure/approach corridor interfering with air traffic in/under controlled airspace. Of course, these are more cut-and-dry examples of violations compared to a recreational drone user in uncontrolled airspace not doing anything obviously dangerous.
My son received a small DJI drone for Xmas. I’m trying to learn and follow all of the rules, but this is all very draconian. Who has 40 hours to figure this stuff out? It would have been less complicated to get him a handgun.
This whole RID thing is out of control
They absolutely know no local law ANYWHERE will enforce this because it's a joke to even think about spending time and resources for it. They're only doing it because they know that 70% of RC aircraft enthusiasts will comply because we're a good community of law-abiding citizens. This is just ANOTHER tool to be used to surveil anyone deemed a 'threat'. If they can tighten the restraints on privacy, no matter the theater, they will absolutely do so. It's been proven time and time again. Make no mistake, that is 100% the only reason.
@@richarddutton1981 they don't need local law enforcement to comply. Geofencing exists.
They just need to tell DJI to brick all old drones that they can, which they'll happily do to sell new drones.
So, if have a part 107 and fly your 60g mini whoop around your yard recreationally only (not many ways to charge a fee for flying your mini whoop...)...it needs to be registered and have a RID module on it? Seems a bit silly...!
Government overreach again, not unexpected.
I don't know if that's what's going on an I could care less what they do I'm just trying to figure out why something would scare a person that bad if something was in your face in something so big wouldn't you want to know why . An I didn't say it was government I'm just try to explain what it looked like . I could care less about the government obviously they have there own issues I wouldn't want to make them more !!!!!!
faa is lieing. LAANC wont work. Faa website ignoring me
You could care less or you could NOT care less. Your comment is confusing
When in doubt, grab all the power you can.
it's because human nature dictates that there will always be some moron out there that will ruin it for the rest of us. But hey...since your not such a fan of Government regulation...perhaps you should consider a scenerio where you might wish that Remote I.D. was out there. What if you walked out back to have a smoke and beer, but you noticed a buzzing. It's night, you look around but can't see anything. Then you hear the sound of a tiny prop scraping glass, and look up to see that some voyuer is peeping in your windows at your children.
With Remote I.D. you could just pull up an app, take a screenshot, then submit it to the police. Your first response will probably some stupid unrealistic mumbo jumbo like "I'd just shoot it out of the sky!". Well, good luck. It's dark, it has no lights on it, and it has no remote I.D., so have fun figuring out who the operator is. All of these regulations are in place because people often times lack common sense.
Good news. If you have a mavic mini 3 or 4 you can turn off RID. Just use the standard battery and the drone will disable RID. If you decide to use the extended flight battery the drone will recognize it, and turn RID on because the drone is over 250 grams.
I don't mind to broadcast to a specific law enforcement entity, regardless of how annoying it may be, what really irritates me is knowing that people that has nothing to do with my business and that I have no business with have the capacity of tracking me, locate me and possibly confront me just for the sake of give a hard time due to their lack of knowledge, and what about safety? What if their looking for someone to steal from a quite expensive piece of equipment that anyone would love to have? Is that Part of safety have been considered by the FAA ? I don't think so.
lets not forget we are using hundreds to thousands dollars worth of equipment, what stops us from being targetted for being robbed?
@@rubberonasphalt you got that right !!!
The FAA should make companies like DJI either update their software for the controllers so that it complies with the rule, or get them to produce a lower cost module
That is exactly what they have had in place over a year now. One issue, among many others, is that you can't add GPS to an RC through a software update. That's the problem DJI's Smart Controller is currently dealing with for example.
The FAA can't "make" DJI or any other company do anything. They don't have the authority, real or imagined.
Boy you guys certainly avoided the elephant in the room: namely invasion of privacy because of RID. If your location, name , drone type and flight path are all being broadcast out there for the public to see, it raises safety and personal security issues and crosses the line of the 4th amendment. What do you think the public reaction would be if these RID rules were applied to everyone's car?
Not avoided, just wasn't the forum. I asked pointed questions multiple times to Kevin and obviously we aren't feeling the love with the FAA's stance: th-cam.com/video/u2ujNdNgdd4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=s9ezxDy4ZV9SlLPU&t=1359 .
Soo you can't fly your drone over 400 feet but you can launch a giant UNMANED weather balloon that is at least 10 times the size of a drone into space without any regulations whatsoever, well depending on payload but for the most part its perfectly legal for anyone to do this. This as far as I am concerned is just more proof on how ridiculous the FAA rules and regulations really are and how I feel this is more of an issue with government control than it ever was about safety.
SUPPOSEDLY no personally identifiable information is to be transmitted in the broadcast module.
I watched this just after the stream was live. I didn't get home in time to watch it live sadly. This answered questions I had but raised more in the process. The first question Greg brought up about drones that are RID compiant like the Air 3 and the Mini 4 that are not on the DOC list. Kevin said that legally they are supposed to be on the DOC list but didn't say that it was legal to fly if one of those drones are registered as standard remote ID compliant (as my Air 3) but wasn't on the DOC list yet. Also the rule about RID compliant drones are required to have a permanently affixed sticker on the drone stating such, I don't think I have seen a DJI drone yet with an RID compliant sticker. I actually called DJI tech support and at first they were trying to tell me that it was the FAA that provided the sticker and had to explain that it was the drone's manufacturers responsibility to at least provide the sticker to it's customers that they said they would email me one. They also said in true DJI fashion that they would raise my question in regards to the Air 3 not being on the DOC list to the appropriate department and get back to me. This whole thing I think is a ball of confusion.
Hello! Thanks for the comments! To answer this question "Air 3 and the Mini 4 that are not on the DOC list. ... legal to fly if one of those drones are registered as standard remote ID compliant (as my Air 3) but wasn't on the DOC list yet.?" The answer is as of September 16, 2023, it is illegal to fly this drone as it does not have FAA accepted/published standard RID. That being said, this is a perfect example of why the enforcement was modified by the announcement of the March 16th, 2024 date. You have made the effort to comply and expect that this will be remedied soon, so you would be given this time leeway for DJI to figure it out. However, if on March 17 2024 it is still NOT on the FAA approved DOC list, then it would be an illegal drone to fly and would be subject to enforcement actions for non-compliance. For the second question regarding labeling, It is the manufacturers responsibility to supply proper labeling according to the rule, but if they do not, it becomes your (the PICs) responsibility to affix one before you fly. Hope this helps! 🤙
@@AlienDrones Thank you, this is about the straightest answer I've gotten from anyone. I appreciate the information greatly. I actually did find the RID information for my Air 3 printed on the label inside the battery compartment. But it is so tiny printed that I had to use an LED flashlight and my iphone 14 pro max to zoom in enough to read it. I'm left half wondering if I should print the zoomed picture out and keep with my other documentation just so it can be read if I ever do get approached in the field.
@@TechJB65 I too have the Air 3 and can't find the sticker for RID. I will look more closely now. Thanks for bringing this up.
@@wismokey I finally found it. It’s in the battery compartment. I’m exaggerating, but it feels like you have to have an electron microscope to see it. I used a flashlight Ave my iPhone 14 Pro max camera to zoom in enough to see it
@@TechJB65 I was thinking of getting the Air 3 myself. When you said you found the RID under the battery compartment, does that mean it's legal to fly and operate now? I'm still learning.
"Stepping stone" to abolition of the consumer drone.
I am not installing a remote ID module on my model airplane.I fly safely and my flights only last 5 minutes each.I also don't see an FAA inspector showing up at the local park.Im just going to take my chances with remote Id noncompliance.Its not about safety.model flyers can be located by anybody with a smartphone app.Its a dangerous and scary fact.
Very informative. Nice job gentlemen. I would like to see the same forum but answering questions about the laws and regulations of drone flying.
Thank you, that's a great idea!
Rules rules rules. What we need are more rules rules rules
My question to the FAA..if this is about safety from purposely reckless and careless drone operators, then why would they put on a tracking device in the first place?
What an awesome interview, Extremely informative. Job well done.
Thank you for the kind words, appreciated! 👽🛸
Great video, appreciate it, a lot of questions answered. One question I really would have liked to have been asked has to do with sub 250 gram drones. As I understand it, DJI's sub 250 mini series (3 & 4) broadcast RID right out of the box, with no ability to turn it off, even if flown recreationally and never registered. In this case, again as I understand it, it may not have the registration number but it broadcasts the drone serial number in addition to pilot location and drone telemetry. Is this true? If yes, why? Does the FAA require this? If yes, then that seems like a huge end around their own rule which provided an exemption for sub 250 flying recreationally. This would seem to be an overreach of FAA authority to go beyond the final rule. If the FAA does not require this, then perhaps this could be made clear to DJI so that they could change the behavior so that RID is not required to be broadcast for sub 250, recreationally flown, DJI drones.
Thanks! The answer is that the FAA does not mandate that drones 250g so they had to make it standard remote ID compliant in case the heavier batteries are used. The RID rule states that RID cannot be disabled by the operator, so DJI turns it on to be RID compliant, not knowing which batteries will be used. This is how RID is transmitting even if you use the batteries that keep it
@@AlienDrones Alternatively, could they not also have tied RID broadcast to registration (like the FAA)? If you don't register the drone, and enter the registration info, no RID broadcast. If the user/operator does not register the drone, but flies with heavier battery anyways, that is on the operator, not the manufacturer. Honestly, either idea works for me, but tying RID broadcast to registration seems like it could be done with just a firmware update.
@@AlienDrones Thanks! That does help, but it suggests that if any drone could possibly be flown in a manner that required RID, it must always be on, even in cases where it is not legally required. Since any sub 250 drone could be flown with added weight, whether from a heavier battery or any other external device, or under 107, then that means essentially that all drones must always have RID broadcast turned on, that there is effectively no exemption for unregistered sub 250 drones going forward. So is the FAA requiring this degree of rule enforcement or is DJI doing this on their own? If it's the FAA requiring this, it seems to be going beyond the authority of their published, final rule which clearly provided for the unregistered, sub 250 exemption. Does the FAA definition of tamper proof mean it has to be broadcast when not required or does it mean if the registration info is entered into the drone that RID can not be turned off, but not for unregistered drones? I thought RID is tied to registration, so if no registration info is entered, then manufacturer is not required to broadcast RID, right? If the operator attaches something to the unregistered drone, or uses the plus battery, or flies for commercial purposes, then that is on the operator, not the manufacturer, right? Correct me if I am wrong, but if you put a plus battery in an unregistered drone, it will still take off, right?
@@RebelByNature This is being done by DJI. FAA does not mandate this. Yes, if you put a heavier battery in it will still take off and any rules of registration, RID and any other safety or compliance issue is the responsibility of the PIC (pilot in command).
@@AlienDrones The part that concerns me is the bit in the regulations about "standard remote identification unmanned aircraft" On the one hand, drones not required to be registered are supposed to be exempt from RID requirements. On the other hand, for drones designed and produced to be "standard remote identification unmanned aircraft" (and not sure if this is the situation for DJI Mini 3/4) then there seems to be no such exception. In fact, part 89, sub part F, paragraph c, specifically excludes drones "designed and produced to be standard remote identification unmanned aircraft" from the 250 gram exception. At least this is my read and concern. This seems to be a glaring bait and switch in the rules on the order of "if you like your Dr you can keep your Dr, if you like your plan, you can keep your plan". If I have this right, it essentially obliterates the under 250 gram, recreational exception for store bought drones. I wish I could get your FAA contact to comment on this.
great discussion. I am getting motivated to get my Part 107 license. I have a private pilot license
So basically as an fpv hobbyists, I will speak on behalf of every fpv hobbyist o
Shove it Up Your Wings nobody is on board but you
I was never ramp checked as a private pilot or an Airframe/Powerplant mechanic.
Great Video. Could you please have a similar video Live with the same Guest on the question of "Line of Sight" and Drone Category for Flying over people and moving vehicles. PLEASE. I am a student of Greg Reverdiau's class on line. I understand these regs are/have changed where you can specify the category for your drone based on capabilities. But most high-end drone mfg's dont want propeller guards since they reduce performance.
Thanks! As far as the FOP and moving vehicles, you cannot specify the category of the drone, the manufacturer has to specify the category of drone (with the exception of the class 1 below 250g). These classifications are kind of irrelevant now that the FOP and FOMV waiver exists... But, point taken, hopefully we can get together again soon and talk over these regulations!
I just had a quick question, I fly only recreationally, and if I want to fly one of my long range fpv drones out of line of sight, would I need a waiver, and does this apply to sub 250g drones as well? Note: my long range flights are usually in the woods and mountains away from people.
Couple of things... first, keep in mind if you're flying with goggles on then you need a visual observer or you are flying "beyond visual line of site" even if the drone is close to you as you, as the PIC, do not have direct line of site. Second, yes, you could apply for a BVLOS waiver but they are 99.99% rejected. BVLOS rules apply to all drone weights, there is no distinction between above or below 250g. Being around people or in the wilderness, or Part 107 or recreational makes no difference either, if it's in the airspace then the BVLOS rules apply. Hope this helps!
@@AlienDrones There is a way around the BVLOS rule that I practice all of the time while flying with FPV and goggles. And that is the FAA jurisdiction only kicks in if a craft is flown above 2 feet from the ground. Which is set too low if you ask me. Since my RC 4 wheeler exceeds 2 feet many times with every jump and thus it must be equipped with RID and registered with the FAA which I believe is ridiculous. Anyway flying within 2 feet from ground is a bit tad tight. But I'm always up for a challenge anyway. 😃
I operate Ag spraying drones. I've had 2 Ramp Checks in 1 year and a 3rd scheduled for next month. Thats 3 in less than 2 years. Question i was hoping would be answered is; Why do i need a Remotes ID when i have to already file a NOTAM to conduct operations? All my flights are contained to a a specific area already reported to the FAA.
Thanks for sharing!
An interesting video but....... why would anyone give up their rights if FAA or LEO comes up to you asking for information/papers if you're not doing nothing wrong. Anyway interesting video and we'll see how all this pans out.
And what if we’re disabled and just can’t afford to buy a RID module for our Mavic Pro?
The government I feel should provide a RemoteID module to anybody who can't afford one.
@@BillW50 DJI was on the committee that recommended remote ID to the FAA. Just of all the money they made from gorging people to buy new drones, because DJI made their old ones obsolete.
5:19 My drone is on the declaration of compliance list, and it's not in any way compliant, lol. It lacks the capability to broadcast a RID signal. I'm going to fly it anyway.
I live in Canada BC, i have only seen one dji mini pro 3 in the air just before i got mine ! and seen and used mine as well in my local neighborhood from my backyard, it was amazing footage in 4k and seeing something you would not, unless in a plane, or your superman LOL ! But my point is that ive never seen other drones than that around me anywhere? these cost 12 to 15 hundred the average person is not going to buy these around you and your drone neighborhood !
Good info Keith, thanks for being involved!
I emailed DJI about labels for the Air 2S, crickets. Do you have any thoughts on who to contact???
Sorry I do not. I would consider saving yourself some frustration and just print your own. It's pretty basic, I have an email from Skydio that shows printing your own and they just state "FAA STANDARD REMOTE ID COMPLIANT". So nothing special...
Thanks, I did print one out from DJI's DOC page...
Wonderful stuff. Can the 4 categories for flying over Humans be addressed next time? Thanks for the good info...
I bought the remote ID… came over night… I don’t mind doing it, just didn’t know where to find one.
I think they should remote idea thierselves so when we know their coming we can be packed up and long gone before hand. Seems fair to me 🤷♂️
5/22/24 - just saw a video on Utube showing the New Mini 4 pro weights 292 grams if you use the extended new batteries. Pay more and give up the 249g protection.
So far no one has been able to explain to me the value of limited tracking of toy planes and quadcopters that fly in parks and school yards. There is no "Drone ATC" that can track any and all drone traffic so what is the point beyond some exercise in control ? I can see the value in tracking commercial drones so we know who to sue when one falls out of the sky while flying over people and property to make their deliveries but none whatsoever in tracking of model aircraft that have a better safety record than just about any hobby, sport or vocation. All it has accomplished to date from my POV is make the local park I've been flying in for the last 10 years a literal ghost town as most took up the few spaces at the AMA clubs or started playing golf in lieu of the possibility of being harassed or fined for enjoying the hobby that they enjoyed for so long without any government intervention (40 years in my case) .
I just purchased the DJI Air 3 and I have already registered it as a remote ID compliant drone. I didn’t know that it wasn’t listed on the FAA site as a drone that meets the requirements. That’s because it is a new device that has not been approved yet. But I have already registered it and it’s up to The FAA and DJI to get the Air 3 approved that’s not my job. I have already done my part. So I will fly regardless.
Actually, it is your job. You’re the Remote PIC.
"I have already registered it and it’s up to The FAA and DJI to get the Air 3 approved that’s not my job" -- not your job, but definitely your responsibility until it's on the list. Watch the video.
Great video
Has DJI submitted remote ID request or compliance for the Mavic Mini 4K ?
No, no remote ID on it. It is actually the Mini 2 relabeled so I'm certain there are no plans to change it in the future.
Everything is getting more and more ridiculous. Legally you can't enforce a law for some and some others not.
Happens all the time on US highways.
Enforcement discretion is a key part of the law. It can be used to ensure the law isn't enforced beyond its intent or too heavily. However... this kind of massive discretion isn't good. The penalties are huge and it isn't easy for people to comply. Yeah, I get the whole speeding ticket analogy. I don't think it is similar. Speeding tickets can hurt the wallet but not like FAA non-compliance. It is simple to just lower your speed, but complying with remote ID can be challenging depending on your model aircraft and where you live. There is also a traffic court judge as a check on the system.
Cant fly a drone over 250 grams without harsh penalties. Meanwhile, in a state like California, you can shoplift with no recourse and no one will stop you. Totally sane and totally normal laws..way to go politicians! Job well done....
They do that all the time!
@iwontreplybacklol7481 ...and drive a car like an offensive weapon to others.
I have the HoverAir X1 from Zero Zero Robotics and really enjoy using it. It only weighs 4.5 oz (125 grams). Question - In the US will the HoverAir be required to have some type of FAA Remote ID capability in order to fly legally 2024?
IF you fly only for fun, then Remote ID will not be _required_ unless you decide to register it. However, you are still required to follow ALL the other recreational rules for drones, which I discuss the exact requirements in this video: th-cam.com/video/b3yQYl7eAeQ/w-d-xo.html . If you have questions feel free to ask!
There is at least one 10-gram RID module in a 20x20 format. While this is a "little" heavy, but certainly workable. Just using a light weight battery might be sufficient to keep the weight that is still workable.
Sounds great. Enjoy your 90 second flights.
@@chuckschillingvideos I get more than that. Ha, Ha.
HI CAN WE ADRESS THE NEED OF A GRACE WEIGHT OF SUB 250.. WE ADD REMOTE ID NOW WE NEED A 107 JUST BECOZ OF WEIGHT???? ITS SILLY TI NEED A 107 FOR A FEW GRAMS..I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SUB LIMIT DOUBLED SO WE CAN STILL FLY ?????? TYHANK UUUUU...
This is not an FAA question but probably a drone manufacturer question but I will throw it out there. If a sub 250 gram drone, like the DJI Mini 4 Pro, is not registered but is remote ID capable is the remote ID active and transmitting even though the drone is sub 250g?
I would presume that if it has remote ID, it has remote ID. On the plus side, you can register it as a recreational drone if you want to. I will need to unregister my Mini SE, because it does not have remote ID.
The rule states that Standard remote ID must be transmitting and must not be able to be disabled. So if the manufacturer decides to install RID on a model, regardless of the weight or registration requirement, it _should_ be transmitting RID. Specifically however, the mini 4 has not been recognized by the FAA yet, (according to the lack of approved DOC) as an RID compliant drone, so it is possible it is not transmitting yet, you'd have to double check with DJI to be certain. However if this drone were registered for any reason, it would not be a legal drone to fly unless the RID transmission were approved on the DOC and transmitting.
Ah, good point about the Declaration of Compliance. 👍
Remote ID now, but what about next year?
What do we do the next time the FAA e-wastes all existing drones, in hopes hopes "industry innovation" will again magically appear to meet the next undue burden.
Pretty terrifying to invest in a business or hobby that is on a rapidly accelerating track to be defacto-banned for non-enterprise use within a couple years.
When we reach that point, drones without Remote ID tracking will be a valuable commodity, as every private pilot will have no choice but to sail the seven skies.
EDIT: I see that this was answered near the 21:40 minute mark. Keith, so what about a company that sold a drone this summer that was over 249 grams and didn't have Remote ID installed. Should they provide a module for free since they ignored the FAA dates? What should the distributor do? What should the owner of the drone do? Is there anything the owner can do to get the mfr/distributor to do to comply?
Honestly, what the company should do and what they will do are two separate things. They shouldn't have been able to sell it, but buyer beware. It is the pilots responsibility to make sure the drone is compliant before flight. If the drone purchased is not compliant then send it back, ask for a free module, ask for a free upgrade via firmware, and when those don't work, either buy your own module or use it as a doorstop. Sucks, but simply the business sold illegal product at the buyers expense.
@@AlienDrones I did return my EXO drone because of it. And bought a DJI Mini 3 Pro. So much happier that EXO is no longer my drone supplier. I'd never buy one from them. Too many issues they couldn't answer, 5-8 hour battery charges on my Ranger X7 Plus, jello video even with the "wonderful" 3-axis gimbal, yaw snapbacks, not having accessories in stock, and the list goes on.
@@Stirling_RC_Videos EXO did have momentum but obviously they have faltered in taking care of their customer. Apparently they are no longer the company they once aspired to be, which is too bad for us. Good thing is that the Mini 3 will treat you well for sure, so all's well that ends well! 🤙
The FAA should have no power over model planes helicopters or drones. They are not able to stay on top of piloted planes.
Remote ID should not be constitutional.
Remotely controlled devices of any kind did not exist when the constitution was written, let alone any sort of "true" flying devices, so, your argument is invalid.
Appreciate the video and the dialogue. It illustrates how ridiculous the rule really is. In some areas, even before remote id, you can't have a drone but can literally carry a loaded f'ing gun. Think about that for a second. If Karen gets an app to track where my quad is, I expect an app to track where Cleetus and his pistol is.
Cleetus here, and that's a plain strawman argument. One is a right, one is a privilege. See how that works?
@@chipsawdust5816Incorrect. The constitution makes it clear that more rights exist than are listed in the bill of rights. The federal government was never granted the authority to prohibit model aircraft. It isn't in its enumerated powers. 2nd amendment is superfluous too other than for incorporation. Even the interstate commerce clause doesn't help as plenty of people build their own within the same state. It is pretty established in the history of our law and country that people have property rights and autonomy. Of course this is all my opinion. I doubt our court system would agree with me.
@@chipsawdust5816 incorrect. We have the RIGHT to the pursuit of happiness as long as we are not causing someone else to not be able to pursue their happiness. Flying a rc model in a safe manner does nto harm anyone else whatsoever.
@@username7763 Brother, you were born 120 years too late for that argument. The viewpoint of the FAA is to keep the NAS safe. Sadly, in the early days of drones, a lot of stupid people did a lot of stupid things. When people do stupid things, laws spring up as a deterrent.
There is no right to fly any more than there is a right to drive. It's a privilege, not a right. And privileges can be regulated or taken away. The rights we have are being eroded as well, but that's another topic.
@@chipsawdust5816
You definitely are a 'cleetus', since you apparently don't understand that while flying the drone may be a privilege, you have a right to privacy.
And yes, that extends to public spaces when it comes to having your name and address broadcast via an app that anyone has access to.
The average drone pilot is so unbelievably submissive and stupid it's incredible.
awesome, thanks!
It is crazy that you have to apply to fly a drone without a remote id
great chat thanks
is there any update on the DGI Mini Pro 4? is it compliant with Remote ID... ?
Not yet
@@AlienDrones so to fly it legally i need to buy a remote id for it I assume?
meaning a separate module...?
@@VRVitaly If flying recreationally under 44809 and not registered then nothing is needed, ever, to fly legally. If it gets registered for any reason and the Std RID installed is not approved by the FAA before March 2024, then yes, a module will be needed.
@@AlienDrones Hi Keith, yes going for the Part 107 test this week. So thanks I did order a module to be compliant. this is silly considering this drone has this incorporated and not yet "passed" on the FAA site. thanks for the answers.
@@VRVitaly No worries. Just want to make sure I didn't give the wrong impression, even if you're flying under part 107 you shouldn't need a module on the mini 4 through March 2024 because the drone is sold as having it, but simply not yet approved so technically it would fall under the latest enforcement reprieve from the FAA until then. This is the exact situation that the enforcement delay covers. If on march 16, 2024 it is still does not have approved STD remote ID, THEN you would be required to have a module if flying 107. So if you want to, you could wait for a while to get a module and see if it gets worked out, which I would expect to happen... Good luck on your 107 regardless! 🤙🤙
I just received my new FAA card .. it says I am NOT required to have it ,, in ( ) says Remote Id not required ??????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????
Not sure what this means. Can you share a pic in email? Interested in what this is... AlienDrones@Mail.com
So you need rid in states for a homemade rc orinthopter with cam?
New to this Hobby, please excuse the ignorance. I have a remote ID module on order, the drone is yet to be registered. If I register the remote ID Modul does the drone need to be registered as well? Being that the RID broadcasts the appropriate information already.
I'm not operating under part 107.
@@gfiplug Under recreational rules, the drone does not get registered, you do. So there is only one registration number that is shared between all your recreational drones. This registration number then will have the remote ID serial number added to it on the FAA site during registration. Keep in mind that only drones over .55 lbs need to be registered (and then have to have remote ID), lighter ones do not. Good flying!
How do I check to make sure my drone is transmitting remote ID? Because all I've heard talked about is which drones should be broadcasting Remote ID.
Or if I am challenged by Barney Fife can I say "Well according to the Drone Zone and Pilot Institute it should be broadcasting.
If your question is not rhetorical, you do not have to prove it is broadcasting. If you have a module, there is some indication that it is broadcasting like a flashing light. Point to that if asked. If it is standard remote ID (built in) then you can't turn it off and it won't fly unless it is broadcasting properly, so by the nature of it flying, it is compliant. If you really wanted to have boots AND suspenders, you could have a copy of the FAA DOC for the broadcast (module or drone) with your other documents needed. In reality though, the likelihood of anyone even asking is fairly remote. If you are doing your own due diligence at least trying to be compliant you'll be just fine... 🤙
@@AlienDrones Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
@@sergeantbilko7070 No worries, have some fun flying!
Do you need 107 for recreational fishing?
if you're using the drone to fish, yes.
The only label that I received from DroneBeacon for the db120 I purchased was on the outside of the box, where can I get one to attach to the module?
The one I have came with a label on it already. I would assume if there's not a label you should get one from Bluemark since it has the SN and such on it...
for me kinda wondering if the FAA is possibly not allowing more DJI drones to be accepted due to all the gov. bans that are in place against DJI right now? It's kinda looking that way given how other companies drones are on the DOC list that were out prior to the requirement yet DJI drones so far are limited on the list currently compared to the number of drones. Just curious because I know DJI had put out that they were awaiting approval from the FAA for a lot of their older drones yet nothing has come out yet for them being on the approval list.
Greetings! The FAA is not holding up DOC approvals based on country of production.
@@kmox340 that's good to hear. Didn't think they would but just crossed my mind being DJI had mentioned within their forums that at least all of their 2's would be compliant in time for RID yet hadn't seen hardly any of them on the DOC list as of yet is why I was kinda wondering.
@@kmox340 Sure they are. DJI sent in the required documents 6 months ago and they still aren't listed. I bet 5 years from now they still won't be. Unless somehow they remove the ban off of DJI. Which is very unlikely.
What does it mean when I get this message on my DJI RC controller? The message I get is this (Remit I error). My drone is a Mavic 3 classic so why do I get this message?
Great info, thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Where can I get a module which fits a DJI Mini 2 SE, which complies ith Part 107 C1, c2, C3? DJI is telling me there is a third-party RID module the FAA has released. I am currently trying to learn to fly my drone and plan to get my part 107 in the next few months.
One of the smallest modules that is self contained is the Holy Stone module (Amazon), it will work for any drone: amzn.to/3ShgeXi and there is a video for it here: th-cam.com/video/CY4syImI9xg/w-d-xo.html . That's probably your best bet to possibly have one fit on the Mini 2 SE.
@@AlienDrones Thanks
YES.... My question. what if we are harrassed by Karens who have an antidrone vendetta and are using the publicly available information to track and harass us? (sub question) -> why isnt the RID information encrypted and only available to the FAA/Law Enforcement?
It didn't take a group of undercover officers two weeks to make contact with me. I was flying RID without registration b/c I'm under 250g. They wasted 3 days searching for me b/c I only have one battery. Literally just a Fake-State out harassing instead of working.
@@SlackerU yeah i dont subscribe to your brand of anti gov paranoia. i have legitimate concerns directly applicable to situations i've experienced. peddle your bullshit elsewhere and leave legitimate concerns to actual serious fliers.
@@0utcast I know my neighbor called. I'm not anti-government I just wish they'd have looked at the Tax Auditor's web site before they decided where my property line was in their pathetic attempts at government intimidation into forcing us to pay extra in needless civil suits. Most attorneys won't take cases in the most dangerous place in all of Tx unless you intend on moving before they file for you.
I am very much in the anti-RID camp, but I am not in agreement with the encryption argument. All it takes is for one person in law-enforcement to leak the key and anyone can decrypt it. They key would have to be made available at least half a million to even much larger number of people depending on who counts as law-enforcement. Good systems change the key on a periodic basis, which would be very difficult here. Also, just because someone is the police doesn't mean they won't abuse their power. Instead of having a system that is a logistical nightmare, where the key will be leaked to people who want it, it is better to have the data in the clear for all to see.
Yes, this is the biggest issue. Giving the public access to pilot information/location.
I fly to get RC synagogue 25 do I need to buy a remote ID module for it
My drone is effectively dead and my investment lost. I cannot afford a remote ID retrofit nor do I feel that a broadcast module makes my drone safe to fly. My only option is to purchase a new drone which is not in my budget today. I will fix that by charging government officials more for the products and services that my business operates. Hope their plumbing doesn’t go bad because it is about to cost them double. Of course I can not do that, but I can vote for politicians that fire these idiots.
Question please. I apologize if this was missed or asked already. I have a registered and compliant FAA RID. I have read alot about others (as well as mine) broadcasting as required (according to the blinking light on the module) but have an issue with the module linking to one of the many 3rd party RID apps. To the point, am I required to have an app actively tracking the RID while flying? or am I still compliant even if not linking to an app? Thanks for any information.
The rule is that you need a compliant "broadcast" (as indicated by the blinking light), not that the broadcast needs to be received or acknowledged by ANY app... This video talks about a module _Broadcast_ vs. _receipt_ of the broadcast... th-cam.com/video/GJBNqKafe-Q/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for the speedy reply and clarification! Good flying!@@AlienDrones
@@AlienDrones I see those quotation marks on the word "broadcast"... Does that mean we can leave the antenna out of the port for that and just bridge the gap in the port with some solder? (/j, don't actually do that, probably "turbo illegal"...)
If I fly a sub 250g drone strictly for recreation but would like to get my part 107, just for personal education. Would I then be required to have a remote ID if I am still flying for recreation and not for profit?
For clarification, "Not for profit" is not a criteria for part 107. If you get your part 107, any time you fly under part 107 you need to have the UAS registered and transmitting RID, regardless of what you're doing, even if for recreation. Only way to fly without RID is a UAS
@@AlienDrones This still doesn't really answer the question. If you become 107 certified is it then assumed that any and every flight you take from that point forth is under 107? Or do you have the ability to take out a quad and just fly for fun without all of the bullshit? You replied that if you get your 107, "any time you fly under part 107", this implies that you can still fly under 336 if you are 107 certified.
@@dooddrones6521 Every single time you fly a drone that is registered under part 107, you are flying part 107, period. There is no option where you can fly that drone without remote ID regardless of the mission or the weight. The ONLY WAY you can fly THAT DRONE without remote ID is to 1) UNREGISTER the drone, 2) REMOVE the registration label from the drone, 3) Take the TRUST test and follow the rules of a CBO, 4) Fly for fun only. No remote ID needed in this case (assuming the drone is < 250g). If you want to fly that drone again as a 107 pilot, FOR ANY REASON, you must 1) REGISTER the drone under part 107 (pay $5 to do this), 2) Enter the RID number within the registration of the drone on Drone Zone, 3) Add the new registration label to the drone, 4) Have the remote ID on and broadcasting for each and every flight you take, regardless of what you are doing and regardless of the weight, as your drone is registered under part 107 and you are flying under part 107.
@@AlienDrones The question was if an individual is able to fly recreationally after getting a 107 certification, no mention of using a certain model. The answer is: yes. I have no idea why that took multiple paragraph long replies.
@dooddrones6521 Sorry, just trying to help clarify a convoluted rule. Your original question was about the individual getting part 107 _and_ the drone transmitting RID. Don't conflate the individual and the RID requirement. Part 107 is an operating rule, RID is an equipment requirement. Remote ID ONLY relates to the DRONE and if it is registered or not, for any reason. If it's registered, it needs to transmit remote ID.
For the home-built drones, can't you just add one of these "RemoteID Modules" to it? Kevin mentions "standard" RemoteID compliant - is "standard" meant to indicate there is another type of RemoteID? Ah, Keith kind of answered it later with "the modules are heavy".
Indeed, "Standard" RID is supposed to be built in to all new drones that need it. There are "Add-on" modules available for those that don't have RID built in. Here are a couple: th-cam.com/video/CY4syImI9xg/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/GJBNqKafe-Q/w-d-xo.html One is cheaper and smaller, one has the "Anti-Karen" feature...
If you have a tiny whoop and want to operate it under part 107and cant fit remote id on it you have to get authorization from the faa administrator? Thats utterly ridiculous and a complete waste of time and resources. Seriously, do these guys listen to themselves?
Why is it that every time the government gets involved it’s overly complicated? All these videos and it’s still unclear for most people. Registering vs remote RID broadcasting, who and when and what has to be broadcast, etc.
What a mess!!!!
Indeed, it is convoluted for sure. The easiest way I can explain it is if the drone is _registered_ for any reason then it needs remote ID. That's it. 🤙
But the Mini 4 Pro isn’t even on the DOC list… so I’m registered but not sure what else I can do. And can only over people because it’s under 250 grams? It’s all so confusing. They should have a chart or table and if they can’t fit it on there then it shouldn’t be a rule.
@@TheSaint226 If you have specific questions I'm happy to help. If you're only flying recreationally, unregister the drone. You don't need to it and then you don't need remote ID. You cannot fly over people with the mini 4, even though it is under 250g.
I thought remote ID is on for the Mini 4 Pro whether you register or not.
@@TheSaint226 The broadcast is there, but you don't need to do anything with it. Forget it's there and just fly...
I just bought a Protensic Atom drone, in December 2023, and it is not compliant. How did that happen?
It is compliant, it does not need remote ID for recreational flights.
I believe the requirement date was when it was manufactured, not when you purchased it.
Is pilot institute going to produce labels for rid like it does for drones?
Have to double check with Pilot Institute but my guess is _probably_
You can easily create your own labels. Just buy a cheap label maker and use waterproof labels. I have my FAA reg on one and my RID on the other. Slap them on top and call it a day.
What about non gps RC helicopters?
Over 250g, needs registration and Remote ID...
@@AlienDrones this is absurd.
if remote id modules were a quarter the price they are now i think way more people would comply
It wouldn't hurt!
So im going to have to get a new FC with more uarts. Dangit
Compliance, compliance, compliance. Hate that word. Should be pressing him on justification for the regs and the data that backs it up.
Now the legal question of... Can you legally fly a drone while intoxicated?
Unfortunately, it is specifically stated in the rules that you can't. But I think making rules while intoxicated isn't specifically prohibited. 😂
@@AlienDrones its a matter of perspective 😁 Do you feel intoxicated? 😄
So DJI is now updating firmware that provides remote ID in some of their drones. What if they don’t or are not able to add these drones to the certificate
By certificate I'm assuming you are referencing the FAA's DOC for RID, and if DJI doesn't get the FAA DOC accepted and completed (and the broadcast working on the drone) by March 16, 2024 and the drone needs registration for any reason it would not be legal to fly in US Airspace unless a RID module is installed.
@@AlienDrones I am unable to find a list on the FAAs site of the Drones approved.
@@raytschudy8643 uasdoc.faa.gov/listDocs
Thanks. @@AlienDrones
This is all BS, government overreach and control, we sell land to China but we are scared that they will use our drones to spy , registration I can see RID overkill for a recreational flyer.
How is the Faa going to obtain the ID infor faa in DC and me i Maine ?????????????
It's called a FSDO or Flight Standards District Office. The state of Maine is serviced by the Portland FSDO Inspectors based out of there would be the ones to enforce the FAA regulations for that area.
Really way too complicated, pilots shouldn't have to go to these lengths to learn about compliance.
Try being a actual airplane pilot then get back to me.
@@chipsawdust5816 Oh yes, extremely complicated. I know.
Funny how Keith and Greg are not laughing it up but Kevin is laughing like this is a big funny joke. It shows how ridiculous even Kevin thinks this is. The safety of the pilot is critical, simply don’t broadcast the pilot location. And putting a $350 remote module on a $400 drone that is so heavy it screws up the performance is stupid
I think that you should subsidize remote ID for a year so that us poorer folks can afford the module. You are forcing a 100$ part yes we can switch drone to drone but those types are heavy for my type of drone and cost 150-200$ the 10g module at 100$ X 4... I think you should subsidize them down to 25$?
Ask me in public for R.I.D lmao you better be wearing a helmet 🤕🥊
If this infringes on peoples 4th amendment rights , who would we file class action suits against? The FAA the tech companies? Or both
Why is FAA stalling FAA-Recognized Identification Areas (FRIAs).... No timeline and rejection rate is unacceptable.
I think I heard that it is a software problem blocking the approvals. Don't have any details but hopefully if this IS the case it should be resolved soon.
In the "Flying recreational under part 107" section, he doesn't directly address whether a part 107 pilot can fly recreational without remote ID.
If you are flying recreationally under part 107, then RID and registration is required regardless of drone weight. If you are part 107 but decided to fly recreationally under USC 44809, then RID is not needed AS LONG AS the drone being flown is not registered. If the drone is registered for any reason (required or not) then RID is needed. RID is directly tied to registration regardless of part 107 or 44809 recreational. Registration=RID. The only exception to this is if you fly in a FRIA zone, then no RID is required.
@@AlienDrones Thank you so much! To clarify my understanding, when you say under part 107, you mean as a part 107 license holder or for commercial shoot? I'm assuming I would have to have a different FPV drone for unregistered non-commercial use as a license holder.
@@stellarmediacollective7953 Yes, part 107 is the FAA part 107 certificate typically used for commercial work. Indeed, if you already have a drone registered under part 107 and if you wanted to use it for 44809 recreational use and not have RID on it, then you could un-register it or yes, use a different drone.
@@AlienDrones Understood. I have had my Part 107 cert for 5 years now. I was just trying to comprehend the pathways for my recreational and commercial work separately. Thanks for your help!
Interesting
Contacted DJI today for RID readiness and they informed me it should be registered late Q1 2024 for my MINI 2
Easy to fly. Happy with FAA regulations to avoid problems with misuse.
chevron deference and non-elected organizations making law is fucking wild.
Please help me something happened with a drone ive been trying to figure this out we seen light threw the trees we was getting ready to leave in our car we started down the road it followed us at some point it was above us i was looking towards my husband i said im going to look an see where it was an omg it was in my face out my window i think i could have touched it we are a dirt road it was staying with us im not whats going on it was moving like a sy fy movie then it went in front the car above the driver now its been hovering around for a week we live in a basement apartment we seen it just above the trees outside our door as soon as it seen us it came as close as it could to the tree thats outside its pretty big i think its government it looks like an lockheed martin RQ170 . It comes towards you when u go outside this happening at night im so scared im just a stupid hick from the country what do i do Please give me advice thank you
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@@SueNolf No worries, did see something, some lights I guess, tough to see what is going on. If you're concerned just call your local sheriffs dept and have them take a look. Probably some legit reason for whatever it is but I get it would be nice to know for certain.
This "rule" is only going to do 2 things and NOTHING MORE. 1) Assure P107 pilots will not be P107 pilots anymore. Who is going to pay $50- $400 to put a tattle tail module on their drone if they plan to fly it where they shouldn't or in a nefarious manner? They're obviously not. P107 pilots, on the other hand, are required to shell out $$$ for individual modules for each and every single flying thing they have. As a 107 pilot, I can't use one module and swap it between all my craft. I have 20 recreational RC aircraft (planes and drones) that's 20 modules or $1000-$8000 for aircraft that aren't being flown commercially or making me any money. I also have 2 issued drones for work and 1 drone I use for side work. All 3 with integrated RID. Everything else is for fun in a hobby I've been in for 35 years. If I forget to register a module, forget or lose a module, forget to charge a module or just want to maiden a new foamy in my yard, I'm out of compliance and risk loosing my ability to fly legally for work, in other words, I lose my livelihood.
2) Module manufacturers just became toilet manufacturers, and by that, I mean you can't build a house without at least one so the company is required by law to make money. What better business model is there?
RID will not save one life or one manned aircraft, not one. It will destroy recreational RC flight and ruin P107 livelihoods and that's the point. All because Amazon wants to flood the skies with delivery drones. You will never convince me that the FAA heard all those voices against and still instituted the rule. Lobbyists had a bigger say as they always do.
There is no such thing as a FRIA if you're a 107 pilot.
That's an interesting thought. Thinking you could fly there but you'd have to follow all the part 107 rules EXCEPT remote ID if your drone is not capable of transmitting RID. The FAA also states "Standard Remote ID drones and drones equipped with a Remote ID broadcast module may also fly in a FRIA, but must broadcast Remote ID information." Kind of odd, but of the FRIAs I've seen there's not really a good reason to go there just for fun...
This is a classic example of government sticking their two cents into things they do not understand. Radio Control hobbiests have been flying Unmanned Arial Vehicles for over 50 years and had no issues requiring governmental oversight. All of a sudden now they are lumped into this quagmire. Listening to this conversation there is still so much ambiguity in the rules and regulations especially surrounding the 250 and sub drones and the RC hobby, it makes it a nightmare participating in such activities. Or how the government can ruin a cherished 50+ year hobby.
Non compliance is the only way forward.
I just asked them if they have done any risk assessment, as broadcasting out the location that we are operating expensive equipment from is dangerous. The answer was not just no, it was that we had to worry about and fend for ourselves. It's not a matter of if, but when a criminal is going to hurt or kill somebody to steal their gear. And make no mistake, their blood will be on the FAA's hands.
See 2nd amendment. Non-compliance is not the best option. If something were to happen (an accident) then the investigation would likely lead to enforcement action against the operator.
@@SaveThisRepublic I've been flying for over 7 years without incident and I'm not about to radically change my operations to satiate the unconstitutional desires of some power hungry assholes. I'm responsible for my own safety and I will not be installing devices in my craft that will blast out, to every jackass in the world, the fact that I'm using expensive equipment and where exactly to find me. As stated above, criminals will use this to mug, rob and kill people.
Only problem with that is that there are too many within the drone community who love rules and regulations. Most of the drone channels talking about RID seem indifferent or actually excited.
If the FAA released new guidelines tomorrow reducing the flight ceiling from 400ft AGL down to 50ft, there'd be a tidal wave of new videos from TH-cam drone channels telling everyone how awesome the new rule is and that its a good thing because it will keep everyone safer and who really needs to go that high anyway.
Lol Kevin didn't say anything different about fpv drones.
FAA should stop working for corporation and make low altitude in the way it was.
I have a sub 250 but if I fly at night, it has to have the light on it for night flying, which makes it now over 250! Does it now have to be registered? I was going to register my sub 250 and found that registering it was a circus! I thought that I would describe the drone, pay the $5 and that would be it, but it turned out to be a round and round circus and I gave up on it!
Yes, if the drone's take-off weight is >250g then it needs to be registered.
It’s not government overreach. Some people do not know how to self govern, and they ruin it for everybody else.
I'll fly recreational
Remote ID won't increase safety. The activity they want to "protect from" will happen from one way drones.
way to much complexity.
It’s BS that there is only 1 module I know about that can be affixed to an older DJI drone,
Indeed BS, but FYI there are about a dozen modules that are compliant now...
Do aliens h🎉ave drones?
Yes, they use them for anal probing. No sense getting too close to that stuff.
Drones are toys. This is total overkill. No plane is allowed to fly below 500 ft except for landing and no drone is allowed to fly above 400 ft. This is total government overeach just like banning large sodas was in new york! (You can hit a baseball almost 400 ft!) If there was ever a good case for civil disobedience this is it! And the part 107 for commercial applications is totally ridiculous since no drone is ever allowed in the same airspace as manned aircraft. It's almost impossible to get ours or any other government to actually listen to their subjects that the rule over but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try! Whats amazing is the number of citizens that gladly hand over their rights to bureaucrats!
Honest question, If someone uses the toy like this then...
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