Recreational drone and RC plane flying under threat from the FAA
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- Are those who fly drones and RC planes recreationally being discriminated against by the FAA in an effort to clear them from the skies? Could it be that before long, everyone who wants to fly a drone or RC model will have to hold a part 107 certification? It's sure starting to look that way.
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Well said! I agree completely with "How can you have respect for a governing body that doesn't have respect for you". Pretty much been my mantra for my entire life! Thanks for getting it to the masses!
TH-cam is chock full of people who make travel/lifestyle vlogs, whose videos are peppered with aerial drone shots, which add ambience and perspective to the travel narrative. Literally hundreds of thousands of videos. Are they recieving the same scrutiny?
Exactly
Yes. They are. The governments tyranny knows no bounds.
Thank you Bruce! Well said, unfortunately we are going to see this nonsense played out everywhere.
Seeing it played out everywhere just slightly differently a bit like another plan the same criminals behind this enacted on the World.
Yup 👍
Own nothing, have no enjoyment and you will be happy.
I try tell people about this thing that has come about this past 3 years. But nobody wants to know!
Makes me sad.
Destroy the WEF and the authoritarian Western government.
OK, Klaus Schwab. I view things like this, unfortunately. 😮 🙏 😊
Drones have cameras. Cameras expose crimes. Can't have that in Klaus's world.
Clearly the anonymous criminal enterprise running this agenda.
Bruce, I know what you are wanting to say. The FAA see recreational model flying as a fly in the ointment. They’re influenced by big corporations that want our airspace to make profits. So FAA is trying their hardest to make it unbearable and make us disappear.
Unfortunately with the age bracket that most modellers fly (not trying to be ageist but), some will buckle and leave, rather than fight for their rights. I’m hoping I’m wrong.
FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS 💪💪💪👍👍👍
you make a good point and the number who care enough to actualy respond with a effortless thumbs click reveals you are not wrong
it's not about the hobby. it's about control. they start small (like our hobby) and then say "well if it worked here, then it will work there." it's the same as our 2A rights and how they are trying to limit that as well. it's a never ending cycle and it's atrocious (unless we do something about it)! remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. great video, Bruce! Keep it up!
EXACTLY CORRECT
A clear explanation of injustice. Thanks for making the point so clearly.
Clear spin doctoring and over sensationalism.
@@sdssteward What spin? What sensationalism? I find it a very valid viewpoint.
Bruce, the FAA live in cloud cuckoo land. We've all seen the promotional video they released a few months ago. Flying an emergency drone from a major airport delivering some basic bit of kit any good first aid box would have in it. Meanwhile Clive and Jemima , walking through the woods ( and keen wildlife enthusiasts) notice the plethora of drones in the air, consult an app to find out why. Fookin hell , the FAA are away with the bloody fairies 😂😂😂😂
Congress made the call and the executive branch does what Congress says. When the former president tells you what he did for you he should list the favors he did for Amazon and other commercial drone delivery services like WalMart and CVS so that they could dominate the airspace.
Hi Bruce, Great video and information. As you may know I have been flying RC since 1971, and in 78 I started taking flying lessons, but broke my back so I stopped flying. My wife got sick of me and purchased my first FPV Drone. Now the FAA says I can't fly them unless I take a trust exam, but it gives you the answers if you get it wrong. So if you don't have to study, Yes I have a TH-cam channel but I'm not regulated. I have never made a cent from TH-cam. Of course the faa isn't listening to us, Thanks again for the video and information about the FAA and R ID
Just a heads up my flying friend. "YOU" don't have to make any money at all from TH-cam aka Google, (Google owns youtube) the fact that google is or can place adds in your video content they are being paid to place those adds, thus google is in fact profiting from your personal non-monetized channel. The rule says that you as the pilot would be required to be part 107 certified. So the way it is today, you could actually get the same call Bruce uses as examples.
Both the TRUST exam AND the part 107 re-certification “give” you the answers.
I believe this is just a way to get your signature acknowledging the rules - you then basically have accepted liability for any violations.
Just stop attempting to comply with tyrannical edicts from communistic dictators. Problem solved. You know what the purpose of these regulations are. Control. Are you going to submit? Sounds like you probably will. I will never take a stupid FAA trust test to know I am capable of flying my drone safely. Good luck to the faa trying to enforce any of these regulations. Local police won't touch airspace disputes. That's federal territory. How many field agents does the faa have to make unconstitutional investigatory stops on pilots to determine wether or not they are in compliance with regulations? They don't exists. Don't willingly become a loser. If you follow any of these idiotic regulations you will be a loser.
@@keithdrones1743this is exactly correct.
As suggested by full-scale pilots both private & commercial, many of whom are also RC pilots, massive non-compliance is needed. The faa and the bribers ( lobbyists ) are as corrupt as it gets.
Beat me too it. Same with gun confiscations in the US.
I think you've hit the nail directly on the head. This reminds me of the time, when the FAA crippled the ultralight pilots flying under part 103 by outlawing the 2 place exemption. The FAA had believed that 103 pilots would switch to the newly created Light Sport category. Some probably did, many just quit flying. Light Sport was supposed to be considerably less expensive than private pilot. Just didn't quite work out that way. The legal dichotomy Bruce presents will have to be resolved by Federal Courts. Sic Semper Trantis.
sic semper tyrannis. .... I get the southern accent and phonetic spelling, but it's important to spell Latin correctly.
I went through the Sport Pilot debacle myself. All it ended up doing was just creating another atrociously expensive arm of general aviation. Except now the planes are smaller, none of the A&P's know anything about them so they won't annual them, and they're just more expensive....
@Hat_Uncle You beat me to it! I guess I’m not the only pedantic bastard in this comment section.
Love the Latin. I'm sure you're loving the trials. Can't wait to know Donny is sucking his celly for a soup
After spending at least 20 minutes trying to get a 'handle' on this Latin phrase, Wikipedia tells me it's origin was recommended by George Mason to the Virginia Convention in 1776, as part of the commonwealth's seal. So it is very American, as it is not associated, in literature, with any Roman History. And it's birth is thought to have come from George Wythe, one of the founding fathers of the U.S.A.
So, for anyone outside of the USA, it basically means: "The phrase has been invoked as an epithet about one allegedly abusing power, or as a rallying cry against abuse of power."
You raise some perfectly valid points that will have the FAA and CAA squirming uncomfortably!
They simply won't respond because there is no excuse!
I suspect we've got more and more restrictive regulations coming as well as RID.....
The CAA are planning putting a hard limit on how far you can fly sub 250g drones, 120m altitude is one thing but if we are only allowed to fly 120m distance, I can see the hobby nose diving!
That's why with what Bruce has been covering and especially this 1....is grounds for a law suit
@@M-H433 I'd love to see the FAA try to defend this in court in front of a judge! 😁👍
@@pdtech4524 Exactly they have committed a gross misjustice and the door is wide open, especially with not answering Bruce's mail,hope they read this to because MR FAA your in Deep Shit .
@@pdtech4524You can bet your last dollar that the FAA would give it a damned good try!
The UAV sector has been the boiling frog for the last decade.
We're a threat to the implementation of their NWO
Good points again Bruce...
Perhaps we need to name our Recreational RC aircraft as Ultralight Aircraft. Ultralight Pilots also post their flights on Y/T without FAA restrictions. Seems like the FAA is shooting themselves in the Recreational Foot..
Would you expect anything less from them? I think they have doing something more than coffee and doughnuts all day?
Great points again... BTW my FPV drones have been grandfathered in because they were all constructed prior to 2022 and will be "Repaired" indefinitely with whatever parts are available since I will not need an STC to make them Airworthy. 😉
I have a 8 in from 2015 collecting dust..
We need a lawsuit, with these points.
The FAA is playing favorites and they can't do that. The only thing that will settle that is a court of law.
I thought that according to the results from the RDQ lawsuit, someone has to go to jail before it's a valid court case.
I believe I remember hearing this information from a fpv freedom coalition podcast.
I remember a man on a podium, explaining these new regulations saying they are going to give us recreational flyers three years because that's the life expectancy of a drone.
I remember hearing that they wanted to expedite the rules and wanting to have them active immediately.
This is when they were around the large table with the AMA representative chair empty or he is asleep.
It amazes me that model fliers still do not seem to accept that these rules do not apply only to "drones" (quadcopters) They apply to ALL flying models.
Australia has not (to my knowledge) ,managed to start registration, , but they are now talking about Remote ID for the future!!
Most of the old dudes around here who fly styrofoam only scream "DRONE!!!" when I happen to take flight near them at our local National Park, where we fly legally under a special grandfather clause from many years ago.
They HATE drones. One old guy kept moving all around the field, close to a cluster of trees I was flying (FPV) in an effort to get hit by me. Yes, they are THAT nuts. They blame ALL of this on DRONES!!! I've been yelled at, and I yell right back. And I'm better at it than they are.
A couple of these doozies are always at me. I now purposely fly there when they are all there, just to make a point, and to stand my ground. I don't even like flying there that much, unless I'm experimenting with a new quad, or testing/programming things. Or, when the cool ONE WINGERS are there, and invite me into their sky battles.
The whole thing is a mess. And I honestly feel that for many of us, just pulling a Homer, and sinking into the hedge will actually be the way we escape it, and continue to feed our souls with the beauty and fun of flying.
Model flyers don't seem to care because they only do circuits at their nearest club with other old guys who still think models must sound like lawnmowers and be made of matchsticks, and they can get FRIA status. I am a model flyer, but I have no interest in club culture, so I'm out in the cold with the rest of the "drone" community.
Actually. Model airplanes and all the other things are more dangerous but less worthy of regulation. It's money.
This is precisely why “we haven’t done anything about it.” I am always triggered when someone accuses us in the US of not caring about the hobby or being lazy. The absolute truth is that we understand how these institutions have become. Recreational fpv is just the smallest grain of sand on the top of a mountain of regulations throughout every recreational hobby across the board too. People who build cars, diesel trucks, go fishing, hunting, literature/free speech writing and everything firearms related has been under attack by “enter whichever three letter agency here..” and have ranged from strongly worded letters to pre dawn raids by “whichever 3 letter agency” involves themselves. Regulations are changed, and if they can’t achieve that through Congress, they will change the legal definition and do it anyways, and there are innocent people serving hard time over these definition changes. People still question why we won’t give up our right to firearms in exchange for whatever they are attempting to offer, which is nothing btw.
How do I give you dozens of likes that you deserve, very well said.👍
Your braindead firearm laws do need changing because they are non existent🤡
Yeah kinda funny hearing that from places that gave up their rights decades ago.....
@@Loco_Lui If you're talking about guns its a "privelege" and not a "right" to own a firearm in most countries with half a brain.🧠(This counts you out America)🤡
Well said Mike.
I have MS and I barely have the ability and energy to go fly once in a great while and it's (was) an immense relief. This BS completely grounds me and I don't have the strength and energy to fight it. And of course they do not care a lick how much they hurt people like me.
Don't let them win! Its not like they are going to track you down for flying with goggles or not using RID. They are hoping people like you will just go away. Killing the hobby with a BS rule that has everyone freaking out. Hope you feel better and keep flying!
@@WOTHFPV I mean it's not exactly like I want to let them win. There's just not much I can do about it. For now I keep flying until there's real threat of enforcement I guess, but that's a storm I cannot weather should it hit me. I have never flown at any nearby official fields as they are generally very inconvenient. I have flown in local parks 5-10mins away for the last eighteen years. None of which are going to be FRIA, that much we know. I just don't know how it's going to pan out for me yet.
@@secretagb Brother just fly! You've got enough on your plate to let the "man" intimidate you. The FAA has no teeth, just look at the number of pilots that have been fined for flying beyond visual line of sight, or going over 400' agl, or no reg number on the drone = ZERO! @PhillyDroneLife just posted a video of him flying his Mini 4 Pro (that has remote id broadcasting away) at night without a strobe, in class B airspace, 8000ft away over the city, and even though he blocked out the altitude, he was at 380 when he had to go up another 100 ft to regain strong signal. This is the same guy the FAA fined $185,000.00 but didn't do anything more than send a letter asking for a check for 185k please. The FAA watches his videos. Why haven't they done something? The FAA is a joke. Relax and life your life my friend.
Hoping for the best outcome for ya buddy. Hope you keep flying as often as possible for the time being 😊
Thanks, I'm trying... struggling, but trying. @@derrickdurbin1334
It is really easy to understand, the airspace that drones use is valuable. Amazon wants it, UPS wants it, and now a ton of EVTOL startups sold 3D renders and want it.
What it will take, is exactly what the model rocketry community had to do when the BATFE tried to kill our hobby 20 years ago. Spending six figures and multi years to fight a lawsuit, which we actually won. The drone community wont pay to save the hobby.
I literally tried to get people together to start a fund to do exactly that. No one person offered to help. The video had 1500+ views, not one person contacted me. No one gives a crap at all.
@@bigdatapimp The Rocketry community are all members of NAR or Tripoli, and it was with our membership money that the lawsuit was fought. Rocketry associations work for their members interests, u like RC associations which are puppets of the state.
The AMA, who hobbyists pay into, should be the one who files lawsuit after lawsuit. Instead the AMA has bent over at every opportunity.
The Globalist criminals like Gates etc want it banned and that's it, unfortunately no amount of pandering to their ever increasing demands will make any difference, RC aircraft are clearly a threat to their plans and our corrupted compromised governments will do their bidding for them.
Yet another GA fatal in the US. A Senator, his wife & 2 sons lost their lives. Show me the bodies from R/C accidents....
GA literally kills an average of 1 person a day in the US... Still waiting on the first one from recreational drone.
Bruce is live here in the U.S. and I quit flying about 8 months ago becaue even at a fria which our club field is PUBLIC, it has gone free m enjoyment to nothing but a hassle. Now I am stuck with thousands of dollars in wall art because the market for used fpv stuff is pretty much Zero
Bruce, your videos are never too long, not the flying ones nor the rant ones. Thanks! 👍💪✌
Great video Bruce. I think strength in numbers of recreational flyers will be the key, even if it means breaking the rules but doing it safely.
I’m still going to fly. I’m very responsible and I don’t fly anywhere where “bad things” can happen. Aircraft and flight is the only thing I’ve got that still makes me happy, and I’m not going to let them take that away from me. I’m lucky enough to live in an area where they’re simply ignoring RID, and I’m with the AMA. I only fly parkflyers and I only have fixed wing aircraft. I just want to fly. Aside from my freewing f22 I built every one of my aircraft. Model aeronautics is as close to actually flying as I can get. I’m not going to stop.
Ive never even thought about it this way. 🤔
One of your best on this topic...thanks for being the voice of many Bruce. Regards
Sometimes part of the "fun and education" is post-processing the video, and sharing it with others, so that they can see what we see. Unfortunately in this case the government and the agencies that carry out law are violating our first amendment rights to share information with others. I really hope that if someone gets caught up in this situation, they will share it with the community and we can chip in together to fight it in court.
We’ll said Bruce. I definitely agree with you on that 🙌 Faa doesn’t know the Answers for Fpv community. It’s ridiculous
thanks for these videos. ive been around maned aviation practically my whole life. I can bet i wont have the money for real aviation.
the practices, disciplines, meticulous mechanic skills and sheer level of calculated decisions and training that goes into flying real planes is amazing. i take these same practices and apply them to my freestyle flying. ive commented waaayyy back when, got involved with local politicians. flying safely in public ,doing a better job of exposing our hobby to the general public to fpv and model aviation than the FAA LOL. thats not saying much though haha. mainly because you doit better than me man! good job keep it up! much love from houston texas!
Great work you are doing!! Thanks for all you do and the information you are providing. It's sad to see what's happening to our hobby.
Thanks for all the work you do Bruce for the hobby keep it up bestest from Scotland 👋👋👋👍👍👍
Thank you for your support! You're a hero.
Very well researched..... excellent
This is great - thanks for sharing..I thought Drones under 250 grams do not need to be Remote ID compliant? So folks can build a smaller quad?
Except under 250g is not exempt from 107, which is required for "business", which FAA considers TH-cam to be. It's a sh!t $how.
Building the quad regardless of weight is for commercial purposes. It will still require RID.
@@jasonhurdlow6607 that literally makes no freakin sense.. can totally see folks leaving the hobby and doing something different… but I don’t really see the free style folks complying..
They fly all over NYC and take amazing photos and videos..
They can be in their car underneath a bridge flying and be gone before you know it…
Hopefully DJI speeds up the FPV production and come out with a newer version of the cina whoop along with the quads to include remote ID, oh and Angle mode too.. why didn’t they put Angle mode in the Avata
Even if sub-250 didn’t require RID, are you happy with it? And who says that they won’t lower the limit?
you’ll need background checks for permission to build a tiny whoop in a few years if it continues like this.
Bruce, thanks for your updates and information relating to model flying!
Won't pay ama insurance anymore either.
Thank you very much for point of view and your insight.
Hey Bruce, Another great video. One thing I would have liked to see would be a comparison percentage of UAS vs Ultra light / Experimental numbers. I'd be willing to bet that the UAS's far outnumber the other categories. Big Box / Big Tech imho want the airspace. They have the money to influence the powers that be. We as UAS flyers far outnumber the Box / Tech folks but we don't have the deep pockets. Here in the US and in most places around the world, All you have to do is follow the money to find the truth...
☹ sad times..
Epic points you've made, Bruce. Thank you!
I wonder if the music companies that claim all my videos should technically have a 107, they are the ones making the money from my videos😂
Thanks another excellent video Bruce.
Your description of the video is what I have been saying for awhile now .
Bruce quote ; "Are those who fly drones and RC planes recreational being discriminated against by the FAA in an effort to clear them from the skies? Could it be that before long, everyone who wants to fly a drone or RC model will have to hold a part 107 certification? It's sure starting to look that way."
yes, you have my friend and have spoken to those who sat with the FAA who fought you on every hand when you told them the truth they swore to keep secret .
YOU are the hero Bruce.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
Thanks Bruce for making another video to piss me off a little more. I've got my part 107 and it's harder for me to comply than recreational.
Great point. Absurd inconsistency between manned and unmanned flight re monetisation
Sounds like you need to find someone with a few acres that you can mow a strip on out of the prying eyes of Karens and Kens.
Sometimes it's best to ignore the rules and do it in secret. Worked during prohibition and didn't stop people during the war on drugs.
Take back the skies!❤
Yep! I fly rurally and there is never an issue. Of course, i'll soon be bullied out of my rural home and into a tower block in a city somewhere. All to stop bad weather. 🤬
Bruce, you make a lot of sense. Unfortunately the government never makes sense.
Well said Bruce! 100% bang on point as usual.
Not to long, thanks. keep them coming.
Keep in mind that it was Congress that mandated the FAA to establish the UAS (drone) regulations, the FAA wanted all pilots to be Part 107, it was Congress that mandated the FAA to carve out the Recreational Exemption for UAS (drones), it was Congress that mandated the FAA to implement what we now call Remote ID. Consider that it might have been Congress that kept UAS (drones) in as a separate section. Also, there are several agencies working on UAS (drone) control which does NOT include manned aircraft. Perhaps due to a quads ability to fly just about anywhere. Thing is, the FAA is NOT going to change anything that was mandated by Congress. The Recreational Exemption that Congress mandated was specific to UAS (drones). Maybe, Congress is where complaints should be waged.
Yes, corrupt politicians are always scared of cameras in the sky... I wonder what they are hiding now when Jeffrey Epstein rooftop parties is a thing of the past...
When recreational drone flying becomes outlawed only outlaws will be recreational drone pilots.
Fantastic video Bruce. The way you have put all these points together really shines a bright light on just how biased the FAA are. Honestly, you would be hard pushed to make any of this up. Yet this is how it really is now. And I wonder how long it will be before the FAA pick on someone who's channel is not monetized, yet youtube may decide to put an advert on it? And who will have to prove that point?, the FAA, or will it be a case of guilty until you prove otherwise? And with regards to Tucker Gott, and his experience with the FAA regarding flight footage on his channel, would love to know if he got that in writing from the FAA - their legal team saying it is not a problem? The FAA seem to be more than just a bit biased towards the rc hobby, it is getting more like a witch hunt.
We just have to figure out how to classify our drones as ultralights!
I'm just going to fly my R/C model airplane and ignore everything else.
Hi Bruce I am thinking of building a microlight the way things are going I think it will be a lot easier to do no test just build and fly and cheeper than flying models😂😅😂
Keep up the good work 👍
Do the ultra lights have to have a radio location transponder?
no, they are not required in the USA as far as I'm aware, but drones do... it's ridiculous.
You need to have a part 107 license. That was probably the best and most professional video I’ve ever seen on TH-cam. Your definitely not a hobbyist!
I have a foamy glider with an electric motor for launching that I have had for 10 years or more. I have been flying RC models (gliders/slope soarers) at the beach and inland since I was 15 (I'm 68 now). I have flown full-sized gliders and owned three of them in the last 30 years. I also have flown and rebuilt several ultralights over the same time period. Now, my options to avoid having to deal with onerous regulations have followed me to my last resort of flying RC models. This is just crazy nonsense. How has my interaction with RC models over several decades made the world a more dangerous place? Now I have to drive even further and be even more secretive to fly or subject myself to a club and fly with dozens of other people. I don't want to do that yet I am forced to comply with all sorts of sanctions to be able to enjoy a harmless hobby. What has changed? I might understand if I owned a firearm, or still owned a full-sized glider. But this? This??? THISSS???? What is wrong with the world? What utter garbage thinking by over-zealous regulators, whose job it is to stifle everyone's lives and pleasures. When a CASA representative comes to see me in the middle of 300 acres to inquire after my part 107 or even to see if I have remote ID, they will have to arrest me and wreck my whole life to get me out of the air. I hope 'they' might feel vindicated just as 'they' felt the satisfaction of "a job well done" when 'they' put thousands of ordinary recreational weed users in jail, depriving them of a dignified existence, a proper living and condemning their families to a life of hell. They will drag my transmitter out of my cold dead hands. Damn them.
On the "standard" RID thing, this isn't the first time. FAA has delivered this same type of, er, rear end probe and examination, to other areas of aviation many times before. For example, in the Sport Pilot rule, the analogue is the "Special Light Sport Aircraft" category, which is the only type of LSA that can be used for commercial purposes (like flight training). It too has to be factory built, and the manufacturer has to go through a many millions of dollars approval process to do so. So, same stuff, different day - only companies with deep enough pockets to afford the approval process can sell SLSA's... and they cost a minimum of 100 large and on up and up as far as the eye can see..... Completely wiped out ultralight flight training....
If I take a video and I release it as CC to make the video free for anyone to use, and someone else edits and posts the video do I get a call from the FAA?
Dear Bruce, first I would like to thank you for the hours of your videos that I have watched. You have enhanced my enjoyment of RC flying greatly. I don't usually comment but in this case I felt I had a comment worth posting.
I agree that it sounds illogical to require Part 107 certification if you post drone videos on a monetized TH-cam channel when recreational ultralight and paramotor videos can be posted on monetized channels without any special certification. The significant difference is that ultralights and paramotors are manned vehicles and automatically involve a stronger incentive to stay out of the way of other manned aircraft. A cousin of mine is an airline pilot and while to my knowledge there has not been any loss of life due to a collision between a hobbyist drone and a manned aircraft, he explains that manned aircraft pilots are very concerned that virtually any individual has the capability to fly a drone into their airspace. It used to be that the difficulty to learn to fly RC aircraft limited the pilots to individuals with the love of flying and perseverance to do it successfully. Drones are so easy to fly that virtually anybody can do that, including the significant fraction of our population that is irresponsible or may even have nefarious motives. I think it is important to acknowledge these concerns and the difficulty in addressing them without simultaneously imposing ridiculous restrictions on innocent hobbyists. Is there a better way to control the real concerns about drones?
You are refering to what people often call "skin in the game". The falsehood represented by this statement is that because someone is actually *in* an aircraft they are less likely to take risks that would endanger others. The reality of the data (based on many years and an enormous number of data-points) is that this is a falsehood.
If "skin in the game" was a factor, we would not see pilots in manned aircraft making bad decisions and causing loss of life as a result -- yet almost every week we see reports of some pilot who pushed his luck a little too far -- despite knowing the consequences of having "skin in the game".
A far more important factor is the inherently much lower risk of unmanned craft when compared to manned craft. Despite more than a decade of people saying "it's only a matter of time before some idiot with a drone brings down an airplane" -- the reality is that this has *never* happened and even when there *has* been contact, it almost always turns out not to be the fault of someone flying a drone recreationally -- in fact the Canadian Royal Mounted Police are two for two on this. They crashed their very large commercial drones into one of their own helicopters and into a privately operated Cessna 172.
Another reality is that if you check the evidenced reports, you'll find that per head of their respective numbers, manned aviatiors generate far more "incidents" than drone/RC flyers do. This indicates that drone/RC flyers are intrinsically more responsible and safety conscious than their manned counterparts. The reasons we see drone-related "incidents" reported in the media are because most of them are unevidenced and hyped by the media. For instance, the media reported that a British Airways passenger jet hit a drone on approach to Heathrow a few years back. It made headlines all over the world. On investigation it was found that there was *no* collision and that the pilot spotted one of those little white flimsy plastic supermarket bags, not a drone. The correction to this story got nowhere near the headline space that the original overblown and incorrect story got.
Sadly, all the facts I've presented above are not made available to the general public -- instead they're fed a diet of fearmongering and falsehoods which gives everyone the wrong perception of what has turned out to be the safest branch of aviation that has ever existed and is ever likely to exist.
This is your best video. You nailed it on the FAA. I wonder how Kevin Morris sleeps at night. Probably like a baby.
Well done Bruce!
This is an awesome video friend. Good work. Shame what it's come to though.
Thanks!
Thanks a million... that's very generous and much appreciated
@@xjetGlad I can help!
We all know the FAA has standards… double standards. Until I saw this video I didn’t realize how brazen they were. So I appreciate you making this. In the end two things hold true: 1) if you want to know why this is happening, follow the dollar. 2) In the end we’re all going to have to render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and get our 107 (as I held my nose and did) if we want to keep flying.
Why aren't more of the RC manufacturers and marketers speaking out ? Don't they realize they are in danger of being financially shut-down ?
Can you reference where part 107 flyers must use standard remote id and not broadcast remote id(the regs call it alternative remote id)? I can’t find that in the text of part 107 or in part 89.
Check out § 89.515 Production requirements for unmanned aircraft without design approval or production approval issued under part 21
Basically it says that after 16 Sept 2022 "no person may produce
an unmanned aircraft for operation in the airspace of the United States unless-
(a) The unmanned aircraft is designed and produced to meet the minimum performance requirements for *standard remote identification* unmanned aircraft established in § 89.310 in accordance with an FAA-accepted means of compliance"
@@xjet That is in subpar f of part part 89, which 89.501 states the entire subpart applies to the production of unmanned aircraft and that home-made unmanned aircraft are specifically excluded. The definition of home-built in part 89 only includes aircraft built only for “education or recreation”.
I know that recreational means no furtherance of a business. Certainly Bardwell build videos are educational though, which I can’t specifically find a definition of educational given by the faa if you can can make money with education with unmanned aircraft, nor do I want to go looking right now….Regardless if he can be legal doing what he does, it’s utterly ridiculous that I have to put on a lawyer hat to know how to be legal making videos with a 5” drone. With manned airplanes you at least pay a certified instructor to know how to be safe and legal over a fairly substantial time period. You’re motivated to do that because not doing so would be incredibly dangerous to yourself and others. Nobody wants to put in the same level of effort to fly small unmanned aircraft that have an incredibly safe record. Pilots still die from midair collisions and hitting terrain (we get a few terrain collisions every year here in the rockies).
@@snppla The problem is that the regulations (as always with the FAA) are so vague and open to interpretation that they are primed for abuse. *everything* is educational in some way or another but since JB isn't a recognized educational institution or body and since he makes his living from TH-cam I would suggest that the "business" interest would outweigh the educational aspect by a significant margin -- although it would probably take a court to determine this for sure in each and every case. The lunacy is that people should not have to take an issue to court simply because the regulation is so poorly written that an accurate interpretation is impossible.
Don't forget... the FAA has said that something as simple as flying your own drone over the roof of your own house after a storm, in order to check for damage, is *not* a recreational activity and would require the operator to have a part 107 certification. You could argue that in doing this you were "learning" about the state of your roof and thus it was educational... but I don't think they'd buy it. 😕
This is why I got out of the hobby 2 years ago. I knew this was not going to go well for hobby pilots. Sad. Really sad because I really enjoyed it.
Bravo !!!
I posed this issue to FliteTest and they shrugged it off, but I don't see any legal way for them to post videos of their kits in action, or any other contraption they build and fly.
they have part 107s not sure you think it would be a problem
The problem is that every new build they make (as part 107 operators) must be registered with the FAA and have that unobtainable "standard remote ID" system fitted. There's just no way they can comply -- although I expect that Spektrum may have an RC system in the wings that will deliver Standard Remote ID pretty soon. However, it will mean a different receiver (RID-identifier) for every build.
@xjet Bingo! I don't understand why so many people have trouble following the logic through to its inevitable conclusion. And more troublesome... why the FAA won't do something to address the situation.
I recently got the renewal notice from ama... I thought why? Why am I trying to give my money to an organization that promises to help protect the hobbyist, yet has allowed the FAA to ruin the hobby..
How does this compair to your attempt to save the tower you have a model of in your videos
There are a lot of similarities. In the case of our tower, a nasty politician placed her own personal opinions and biases ahead of the good of the wider community and bad things happened. In the case of drone/RC regulation, politicians are placing the interests of powerful industries with lots of lobbying $ ahead of the interests of the general public.
The conversations I had with an FAA agent were just crazy. they were really being so nitpicky to call me out on what I did. since I was posting my drone photos to my personal Facebook page, but yet I sell my land based photography on my Facebook business page
the drone photos could be considered marketing, therefore compensation, therefore in violation of the part 107, I never watermarked those photos or sold them, or put them on a monetized page, they were really scraping the bottom of the barrel for this one. basically because I sell landscape photography, no matter what photos I share to my personal page they now consider that marketing.
Drone Camps has continued to do reviews. I wonder how long that will last.
That's absolutely bonkers. Hypocrisy!😤😡 That means everyone, including those to even Flite Test group.👺
Yes sir, zero respect from me! You on the other hand, have tons of respect.
I will continue to fly my recreational drones/AC's and there is nothing the Gov is going to do about it.
About 8 years ago I bought a Yuneec Q500 4K drone, not a cheap thing, now I see when I went to renew my registration, that the FAA has pretty much ended my drone flying with all their regulations. I live in a small town in NW PA. with farms and large fields around, I fly for the fun of it. in my back yard or in my neighbor's large field thet he gave me permission to fly in. We have no local official flying fields around. My drone stays airborn for about 15 minutes before the battery runs down and I have to land, no way am I going to be flying miles away or even out of my sight, yet the FAA has more rules for these small plastic toys than they do for motorized airplanes that carry people. I just boxed up my beautiful drone and put it on a shelf in the basement, where it will probably sit for the rest of my life. I am 76 years old now and this was one of the few thing I really enjoyed doing, now the government has taken that away also. I don't have the money these days to comply with all these idiotic rules and requirments, I guess I am back sitting in front of the TV watching soap operas, and slowly fading away.
Thanks
Great point about ultralight videos! Love when hypocrisy gets called out especially when its someone/a group with authority using it to discriminate for probably corrupt reasons imo.
...rc stuff aside, are we all just going to ignore that EAGLE model visible over your left shoulder? do tell!
slowly but surely they shrink the hobby
Very interesting
What are Mexico's laws? Maybe FliteTest, JB, etc have to move there to continue to operate. FAA only has jurisdiction over US skies.
Well said!!!!..
So what about flite test? Do they all have to be part 107 and have standard remote ID on every aircraft? Even tho they are on a fria that only covers recreational flying, and I'm sure they are monetizing their videos 🤷
Good points man!
I would imagine faa will point to piloting manned aircraft vs remote operating unmanned aircraft. That said, lack of regulation of ultralights is nuts.
How would that affect the status of "recreational" versus "non-recreational" though? Remember it's nothing to do with the flying, it's to do with the uploading of videos to TH-cam -- how does that change *anything* to do with the actual flight (which is all that the FAA should be concerned with).
@@xjet I am not well versed enough regarding recreational manned aircraft faa regulations but I would tend to agree that in the narrow scope example of a manned ultralight recreational pilot posting videos to a monetized youtube channel should be treated the same (unfairly imho) as a recreational uav pilot, which is seemingly not the case as stated by the ultralight youtuber faa conversation clip referenced in your video. I am totally shocked 😂
Great points. The reference to JB needing Part 107 at 10:50 is very valid. As a result of needing a Part 107, JB is caught in bid between double standards, as he legally can not review a bind and fly that doesn't have a RemoteID (RID), even if it's a sub-250g tinywhoop, or a toothpick
The physics of a 1s tiny whoop that only weighs 40-60g, but yet a RID will add at least 15-20g (7-10g for each the RID Tx, and gps). With RID, these smaller drone are not going to fly.
Thank you Bruce for covering this. I agree with you 100%. But, don't get me wrong, I love drone flying and was doing it since the 90s with my own home built equip. I recall the days not too far in the distant past where none of this FAA business was required. But you have to thank the few idiots out there that made it bad for the rest of us who enjoyed this hobby. We don't hear of too many pilots flying their ultralights over a Cowboys game and live-streaming it to TH-cam or some idiot hovering his drone over police activity on the ground. In addition I have taken a break or a sort of drone hiatus until this whole FAA business in the next year or two clears.
The number of *actual* drone incidents where human life or property has been placed in jeopardy are stunningly few. And don't forget... an ultralight autogyro was flown in DC and landed on the White House lawn long before a drone was found in its gardens. Yet, when a ratty old DJI drone was found by the fence, all RC/drone flying was banned in DC and new rules rolloed out nation-wide. Yet that autogyro landing (by a disgruntled ex-post-office worker) saw no changes at all.
The actions of a *tiny* number of idiots with drones is merely an excuse, not the cause of these regulatory changes -- otherwise we would have seen ultralights similarly regulated wouldn't we -- after that WhiteHouse stunt.
This is a terrible case of the FAA "cherry picking" the ultra lights over UAV. Thanks for sharing this. I find this just as ridiculous as RID.
Great video 😅
If manufacturers want to stay in business with both commercial and recreational pilots, they should include a " how to fly smart do's and don'ts for drone Pilots guide" with every ready to fly drone kis or build kits.
So all the TH-camrs affected by this should join together in a class action against the FAA to clarify the distinctions between genuine commercial use and recreational use, and all the nuances in between E.g. build videos
SO far I have seen nothing that legally allows any law enforcement to stop and compel you to answer any questions or produce any documentation if you are flying recreationally. Only part 107 can get "remp checks"
There are numerous manned aviation TH-cam channels that I'm sure do not have commercial pilots licenses. Yet the same thing for drones needs 107. Many of us have been making these comparisons for years between rc and manned aviation like ultralight.
Interesting and so unfair. I've only just flown my first (over 250g) aircraft in the UK and am wondering where this is all going. My first maiden was two days ago. Is it worth it I wonder? Nice Eagle in the background too.
I suspect a constitutional legal challenge to these arbitrary FAA rules would succeed. The FAA operates under the Interstate Commerce Clause. Certainly airliners are involved in interstate commerce. But toy drones and RC airplanes that only fly very short distances, maybe a couple hundred yards, hardly qualify as interstate commerce, and certainly doesn't interfere with commercial air traffic. Certainly the peak altitude of the toy would be a factor for the court, so certain classes of drones might warrant a license, but most don't. It's silly even.
This DRACONIAN ... !