@@mrtempertantrum looks like my high school chemistry/physics classroom. Torrance High, film location for the 90s TV shows “Beverly Hills 90210,” “Buffy the Vampire Slayer,” and some others.
You are NOT a fanboy, Quinn. You're one of the most rational Mac reviewers out there, with a balance of skepticism and appreciation that is rare to match!
TH-cam forces people to use stupid titles, it sucks but you can't get angry at content creators for having to do this to keep thier view count healthy.
@@snazzy you clearly also are a LS fanboy, that sad Linus deskpad is lit :D. Why though do you have such an insanely strong filter here to literally everything related to his webshop? I tried like 20 different versions of the address and they all get auto purged. Seems a bit over the top imho..
I like the aesthetic changes in W11, but there are two missing features that for me really hurt productivity compared to W10. The first is that there's no groups or tabs or folders in the start menu for organising apps, whereas I can logically group stuff in W10. And the second is the loss of the 'do not combine' mode for the icons on the taskbar, I love that feature to quickly identify and switch between multiple instances of apps with one click. Without these features, the basic use of my computer is slowed down so, I'm hoping a future update will put these features back in. I'm sticking with W10 in the meantime because of this
First issue, I agree, the idea of grouping apps I really liked. When setting up new computers for clients, I would group all their productivity apps in one place so they had it all there, then weather, MAPS etc. However you can orient them in the APPS window as you please, by row etc. I have not realized any slowness though because of it. But with UIs people get used to looking for things in a certain place. Hang in there.
10:20 Windows 10 has had this for the last 2 years or so, just putting icons ("ads") there and downloading them once clicked on instead of downloading them automatically. I want to say they got sued in 2019 for pre-installing apps that companies payed Microsoft to pre-install
Surprised to see you're so positive about it! I use Windows for multiple hours every day, and though I was excited for the new look, I am disappointed to see so many things I used so much in Windows 10 be gone/changed in Windows 11: - The calendar integrations - The Start Menu tiles (yes I'm one of the seven people that liked them) - No folders in the new Start Menu pinned apps - Disabling the recent files in the new Start Menu doesn't free up space for more pinned app shortcuts; it still takes up the same space but with a message saying "you **could** see recent files here if you enable it" - Right-clicking the Task Bar for the Task Manager (I know Ctrl+Shift+Escape is a thing) - Some animations now start slow and ramp up afterwards, making them feel sluggish, instead of starting off fast and then easing down to a stop like in Windows 10 - Windows 10's "Acrylic" blur effect is far superior to Windows 11's "Mica", where the latter always shows a blurred version of your wallpaper, and the former actually shows a blurred version of any window behind the blur which looks way more natural to me - Tapping with 4 fingers on a trackpad used to open the unified notification/control panel in Windows 10, but now it only shows the notification panel in Windows 10, whereas I primarily used it to quickly open the control panel - You can no longer see the current seconds in the taskbar (not even by editing the registry), nor by opening the notification panel, which means that the only place you can natively see the current seconds in the OS is in the date/time formatting settings - Virtual desktops no longer show a swiping animation when switching between them, so creating/switching/deleting similar looking desktops using the keyboard shortcuts has no visual feedback and it looks like it doesn't do anything, even if it does - Disappointed that there wasn't a File Explorer redesign other than "add more spacing" and "simplify the ribbon" but I feel like that's still coming I absolutely know I am nitpicking with some of these, but some of them really ruin my flow. I am hopeful that Microsoft will keep expanding Windows 11 to bring some of these features back. The rest I will just have to get used to (and I will).
I will miss the Start Menu tiles too. I have them arranged perfectly on my Windows 10 Desktop so I'll have to reimagine that when I upgrade. You can still right click on the start button to access many things that were previously accessible by right clicking the start menu. I really hope they add a way to add seconds to the taskbar clock, or I hope T-Clock is able to make their application work in Win11. If you're a Windows Insider feel free to add some of your complaints to the Feedback Hub. It's where Microsoft sees most of the complaints and suggestions for Windows 10 and 11.
I really don't understand why microsoft is removing features, especially ones that people use (eg taskbar repositioning). I loved the win 10 start menu, but the new start menu layout just seems confusing. I miss the white windows 10 logo. I agree with basically all the points listed above.
Does anybody know if in the new Start Menu if you right click on for example Word will it still give you a list of the most recently opened apps? I use this functionality a lot in Windows 10.
And it is beyond frustrating that there is still two settings applications. They should either finish the new settings app or just modernize the control panel.
@@SEVENTEENPOINT1 I kinda hoped we'd see THREE settings apps. The W11 one, the W10 and ol-good control panel. Because apparently now ms is run by instagram-victims and hipsters.
The stuff in this video is all things you should notice in the first 30 minutes, so this review is fine for a couple hours. He's not going over CPU/GPU usage or deep tech dive. Personally, I've been pretty "meh" on Windows since Win7, and overall I prefer the look and feel of Win11 - also the HDR I feel is better here.
@@gfyGoogle It's probably fine but I lose my s@#€ in about 2 minutes over the way windows maximise... Even Linux OSs that don't have GUIs annoy me less.
The biggest issue I think most have with it is how many power user features were striped out because they rushed 11 to market and didn't have time to reimplement them. For example, you mention the lack of moving the taskbar to any side but the bottom, that was because the taskbar was rewritten from scratch using XAML/UWP and they didn't have time to add it back if they wanted to ship on time to hit the holidays. Another way you can tell it was rushed is how some of the promised features got pushed to later updates (redesigned Paint, redesigned and merged Media Player app to replace Groove Music and Movies & TV, Android app support, etc.) 11 is full of stuff like this were they just reimplemented the bare min possible to get a stable OS out in time, for non-power users it's just 10 but way better design and a non-issue but for power-users, it's 10 with a better design but 100s of missing features they use daily preventing them from being able to upgrade even if they want to.
I kinda miss the Windows 10 start menu I understand most people didn’t care for it but I took my time pimping it out with beautiful tiles for all my steam games and now they’re all gone
Yeah, the new start menu situation is absolutly gonna take some getting used to... I personally didn`t mind the live tiles situation, and I also used them for more commonly used programs that weren`t used frequently enough to be pinned to the taskbar, but either I didn`t want to clutter my desktop with, or I would use just often enough that I`d want it to be easily accessible in situations where I already have other open windows, and don`t want to deal with having to minimize everything
I do. I hate the new Win 11 start menu because it doesn't seem to allow creating groups. Also, I don't want to have a suggested app section. Basically the old start menu is all I want.
I remember sending MS feedback about the start menu location, requesting an option to have the start menu in the middle. Simple reason. I had an ultra wide monitor. It makes a lot more sense to have the button in the middle, cause it saves you so much mouse travel. Everyone reviewing keeps complaining and changing it back to left side alignment, but I really appreciate the middle option.
I like the middle option, but it should be an option only. Reason being that it seems like moving it to the middle is the only improvement to the startmenu/taskbar situation. Almost everything else has regressed.
To me it just seems that windows is trying to make it moe “touch screen” friendly. Looks like they are trying to slowly convert a pc into giant phone like os.
I use Linux on a ultrawide i keep my task bar on the left cause on the bottom it looks weird being so big and i dont like floating docks in the middle, as for mouse travel im a hotkey maniac i only really use my mouse for apps i dont use often
Yay! Another Good Times With Scar fan I see! (Exactly why I came to the comments just now) It's so weird when I hear Hermitcraft Timelapse music used in non-Hermitcraft related videos. lol
In addition to running legacy software going back forever, installing subsystems for Linux and Android allow you to install and run those apps easily and they feel almost native. The apps even show up in your start menu for easy access.
It’s not full Teams, it’s only usable with personal accounts and pretty much useless for people needing it for work 🙄 So now I have two versions of teams installed on my PC.
@@andreas363 Teams does support multi accounts now. Once you have logged in, you can keep switching between them. Often times, when you click on a link it ask you if you want to switch to the account to which link was sent. It’s not consistent though.
I don't get the point in Teams for Consumers. It's virtually just Skype. It has almost the same features. It has almost the same design as modern Skype does too. And it's confusingly named. I think it's just because the "Teams" (for business) brand is liked, whereas the "Skype" brand is disliked.
definitely a few things he missed (like using the arrow keys as a d pad, though it seems better now) but yeah overall great! and good features regardless
@@dev.lockridge Yeah I switched over after it hit the beta insiders channel. Been a adjustment but it is a good effort. Is this the new Microsoft? I hope so. But really what I want is the new M1X MBP. Come on Apple…..
@@AmericaWhatsup honestly there’s been so much negativity I didn’t even consider it, but on a productivity machine this seems like exactly what I need. thinkpad coming in soon, just might run 11!
@@rathusansatkunarajah330 100% reduces watch time unless you are a regular watcher. When you have time stamps (not that you couldn’t do it before) you can choose what to watch and the YTber gets less money. However, with all the sponsorships that videos have nowadays, i think it’s a fair battle.
@16:40 I may misunderstand the implementation you're describing, but Photos on macOS has had this for years. If you start editing a picture, there's a menu with three dots near the top right corner where you can select third party extensions that offer extended functionality.
1:50 that’s what I feel every time I admin a windows pc for friends or family. The deeper you go the more windows 3.1 feeling comes to live. Really feels like a bunch of teams developing their one thing and then glue every snippet to one OS…Boom…the new windows. Have to try Win11 as a Mac user
@@-aexc- well It's the same for me .... Mostly games ... And the wide range of free softwares that are available for windows ... But I won't say I hated it ... I haven't used macOS in my life so may be that would have changed my mind but overall I liked windows ...
For experts, Windows is far better. It can be customized to fit so many purposes. Linux is number 2. But Mac OS is still pretty great just not as great as the other 2.
Me watching this video. "Why does Quinn think that Windows settings have always been terrible?". then I remembered that his first windows was 8 and I went "Oh that's why."
"I know a lot of windows people are super pissed about the new version but i don't really know why" Simple, microsoft is trying to make windows more like mac os, and the reason people hate that is because, well, it's *windows* , NOT mac os
There's a few features you mentioned as being new to Win11 but have existed before Win11, like Windows Key + Arrow Key for window docking, and some earlier mentioned stuff I forget what exactly, maybe the photo editor or something, oh it was the Multiple Desktops feature, that was alreadyin Win10. Anyways, good review of Win11, also some really great suggestions to improve the OS. The main issue's people are having with Win11 is more to do with hardware compatibility and negatively affecting performance of certain CPU's and GPU's. Thanks for making this video and doing a pretty in depth overview of it, for us not wanting to test it ourselves to find out, this has been a great video.
Yeah the photo viewer combined with photo editor is identical to Windows 10. The arrow keys to dock the windows I just tried it and works exactly the same in Windows 10.
The Multiple Windows feature first came out in WIN 7. Perhaps even VISTA (Same OS). You had to know how to add new windows though. Docking was also a thing in WIN7. However it did not recognize the right edge of a left screen on a two screen display, not the left edge on the right screen. Not that feature has greatly improved in WIN 11
Having multiple desktops is actually quite useful for fullscreen games that don't like being alt-tabbed. It means I can do things like change the song/video in the background without having to wait for the game to tab out and in again.
As a developer, I use this feature all the time. my major gripe with the new virtual desktops, is that my puny quad core is occasionally getting tanked by the new virtual desktops what sucks even more is that the new virtual desktops dont have an animation when switching windows, or at least tell you what vDesktop you are in right now (since you can name them) hoping for a fix in a future update
For me, since i multitask and open more than 50s tabs of edge/chrome open, virtual desktop really helps in organizing them. I split the tabs into groups like, general, work, hobby, porn, game, and make virtual desktop for each of them. This way, i won't alt tab to a distracting window when i want to be productive.
One little thing; macOS Photos does actually have the extension system, and if you have Pixelmator or Affinity they do tie into Photos and allow in-line editing. But that comparison view reminded me of Aperture and I want it
I think it’s great they moved the menu in the middle. AND preserved the option to move it in corner if needed. None of the reviewers are taking into account the ultra wide screen users, who suffered for years with a start menu in the left corner
Only after hearing your experience, did I recognize that many things like the slimmer scroll bar, and smoother scrolling have been in Windows 10 as well (and rounded corners in Windows 7, for instance), they've just been dialed up to 11. It looks like they finally polished these additions. Looking at the speed Microsoft is going with their OS' really feels like there's a Valve-sized team working on them. After having heard nothing but bad things about W11's performance, not only Ryzen being broken but rightklick taking short while to open up the context menu and submenus taking their time too to open, this makes me consider upgrading for the first time. Definitely want what you described at 10:45. That'd be awesome.
I don't know if you're using W11 right now, but I am and the performance is just the same as with W10 and the right click animation, wich bothered me in the first place, now looks just right, it's just beautiful. Install it and test by yourself, people all over internet are mean to new stuff. We humans adapt fast, especially to good things
I have been enjoying Windows 11 a lot recently on my gaming PC. All of these new visual features and animations are a nice touch and it makes using Windows fun again.
As someone who genuinely misses the Windows 7 aesthetic and ease of applying skins as well as the 7 Start menu; this does look and seem better than 10 by a significant degree. My concerns lie heavily in the back-end though. In knowing how invasive Microsoft has been with telemetry, marketing, and targeted ads within the OS, I can't help but wonder how much more deeply they are sinking this telemetry into the Windows 11 OS for further privacy invasion. I'm waiting on 11 not just for the issues, but also until all that telemetry has been identified and something like WinAero Tweaker can disable all of it.
@@trousers2 Speculation. They 'could' also bury whatever levels of data collection Windows 11 will have into Windows 10 as well. The problem with trying is that those who already know how to circumvent, block, or otherwise disable all the existing forms of data collection can likely find and do the same to any further updates. They don't need to introduce 11 to add more spyware and data collection. 11 is mostly being introduced for appealing to investors. Microsoft is mostly trying to solicit investors or further growth of their stock value. Data collection is a side-hustle. 11 will likely have more, that much is certain. I'll be shocked if it doesn't, and I'll update immediately if there is none or we're fully allowed to opt out of all of it and the adware. But I still miss skins like HUD and DarkMatter that alter the entire look of the system UI. I loved that so much.
@@stealthysaucepan2016 I think you guys should be far far more worried about your smartphone's data collection than your pc or laptop considering they most often contain your most private pictures, have the ability to track your location (even when location services are off), know where you've been or eaten out at (uber eats, Google maps anyone?), are often used for online banking and purchases, store your biometric data (do you really think it stays only on your device just because they say so?) , learn your speech and text input methods and habits, have an activity log of which shows you watch on Netflix, TH-cam, etc, store and backup data containing which apps you've launched and at what time etc. That's not even scraping the surface when you look at what Facebook has been playing at. Most people use that service on their phones. Yet I don't see any comments about this in videos showcasing android or ios updates, nor do I see the constant (but ultimately non existent) threat to switch to Linux (or alternative mobile os). The point here is not to condone what MS is doing but to shed light on everything which is worse which people have forgotten and happily walked right into. At best it's pure negligence and at worst double standards
13:41 Doesn't W10 have pretty much the same feature for the microphone? For example, in my bottom right icons there is a microphone. Hovering my mouse over it, it says that "(application) is using your microphone". Left clicking the microphone takes me to the microphone settings where I can choose to let or not let any apps use the microphone. In there, it even displays two different lists for Microsoft store apps and desktop apps.
Great Video! I recently upgraded over this last weekend and I am happy that Microsoft seems to have really taken the time to modernize and consolidate their platform. Windows 10 was a step forward, however, I felt that anytime I had to troubleshoot an issue with my system I was constantly swapping between old and new UI or layouts. The search bar felt almost completely useless. In fact I never used it for anything more than searching for the settings window or other basic Windows Legacy items (CMD, RUN, File Explorer, etc). It was incredibly jarring to jump between 2 or 3 separate tabs just to work out an issue or find a feature. Windows 11 works so much better during normal use than previous iterations. I feel like I can complete all my work unimpeded like I did in Windows 7, it was the MOST functional Windows ever for desktop pc use. I can safely say that so far Windows 11 has the potential to surpass it. It has it's caveats and it's a lot to get used to, but I think we are finally there.
Partnering with Google instead of Amazon would have been great. Google calendar, Gmail, and TH-cam apps integrated by default. I don't want to sign up for Outlook and whatever calendar they choose to integrate, and have Teams and Skype and whatever else, just make the core OS as quick as stable as possible.
I think the fact that they’re trying to phase out the old windows is nice for visual cohesion but those older menus is where you can get really nitty gritty settings and options so as a windows user i really like the fact that the older windows is still there
I've been using Windows 11 since the dev channel opened in the summer and want to mention that window snapping is actually a lot better than before! In windows 10 if you snapped one window to half your screen it would show you apps you have open to fill the other half. Or at least thats how you'd think it would act because it would (at least for me) always maximize that second app (covering the first) which was HORRIBLE UX. In windows 11 that second app will now only fill up the half of the screen it should. This should never have been a problem in the first place but it was a fairly major frustration of mine. Other than some dev channel stability issues (my graphics are pretty messed up rn but I think its a driver thing) I've been loving W11. I haven't read into why anyone hates it because frankly I don't care if they do, but I had to check out your video since my opinions are aligned with yours more often than for other creators. I also thought the audio wasn't bad in this video.
I hate the "smooth" scrolling. All it does is slow down what you are actually trying to get to. Not much worse then a scroll that doesn't go fast enough when dealing with a large document. I think it has a place if it can keep up. But I've seen some smart phones/apps totally screw this up.
That's not how the macOS scroll works though. It's just as slow or fast and responsive as you want. But it's smooth, maybe due to has inertia, but also due to a superior trackpad.
Great review, but the "mostly opaque but mildly transparent" window header effect that you're praising was achievable clear back on Windows Vista by just sliding the transparency bar. What you're demonstrating as vastly superior to Aero is almost identical to how my windows looked well over a decade ago.
Guess he's never use themes or a theme program back when Windows XP was still a thing, rounded corners was possible back then with XP same with the glass look and changing the animation and animation speeds 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
My SISTER and many other people don't mess with settings. They leave them on default. Hell, I tried to help my sister who's used computers for over thirty years and said "open File Manager" but she didn't know what it was... I literally have to say "click the Start Button" now click this... then this...
I just hate some of the advanced features deeper in the OS being removed. Like the flexibility of the task bar settings. For PCs I remote in often I keep the task bar on top so it doesn’t interfere with my PCs actual task bar. Why is this an issue? Because I can’t live without auto hide task bar. It makes the whole experience working in productivity apps so much better. You feel immersed in your work with the extra screen real estate. It may not seem like much, but once you try it you can’t go back. There were a few other features removed or changed that only a power user would notice but they are features I use constantly daily to improve my experience that I can no longer live without. I think the start menu shortcuts (i cant remember what they are called) were removed too? I can’t remember. But im someone who cares about the aesthetics of my PC so I pin every major app that I use in the start menu then fire up my animated wall paper software and BOOM! A sexy clean desktop with no icons and a smooth playing looping video. One thing I can praise windows 11 on though is the changes to task view. I heavily use that feature. I want those changes in windows 10 now. Overall, I’d be willing to update on my 2-in-1 laptop for the better touch functionality, but due to productivity I can’t switch on my main PC. I hope they fix these small issues, because overall I like the update. Its just these pain points for features I use heavily.
Are you talking about the tiles in the start menu? If I recall correctly the Microsoft's entire point of having them and being able to pin folders, apps, etc was to declutter the desktop. They seem to be backtracking from that to a degree, I believe you can still pin/favourite apps I'm not sure about folders and such yet I haven't took the time to take Windows 11 for a proper spin yet. I completely agree with you though I frequently use the features you listed off as well.
@@theosexpertdaymon2774 ah yes that’s the name of it. From what I’ve seen I haven’t noticed any support for folders. It will severely balloon the size of my menu without it. Also the location above is not as ideal as off to the side.
I’m using computers all day everyday. I’ve found the best thing is to keep almost all settings and personalisation default so when you switch to another machine it’s not that different. When I connect remotely to machine I have RDC full screen anyway and use my second monitor to do anything else.
Agree with the task bar comment. Until I can have this at the top I won't be upgrading (also remote into other pcs so have the local taskbar auto hiding at the top)
The keyboard shortcut for Windows snapping was always there. I think since Windows 8. Every reviewer on TH-cam is surprised like they never had this feature. Although, amazing video, and good to know from a Mac fanboy to come and appreciate the Windows Platform. Cheers! Liked!
I just want the Taskbar to re-add the file hover functionality, so if you're moving something from the desktop you can drag it to the file explorer or chrome (for uploading something) and it remaximizes the program so you can continue dragging to wherever you need to put it. They removed it in 11 and I don't know why...
I just bought my first macbook (2020 macbook air with the M1 chip). I've watched lots of mac reviews and lots of "windows users tries mac for 3 months" videos. But i really wanted to see a Mac users POV using windows 11 and this video was exactly what i was looking for. Thanks for sharing!
23:00 Speaking about animations for snapping. I still have them just fine on Windows 10. Running 21H1 too.. Also, Win Key + Shift + Arrow Keys will let you easily swap what monitor an app is on for multi-display systems.
23:02 - I know this video is mainly directed at MacOS users, but this window snapping feature in Win11 works precisely the same as it does in Win10 (hotkeys and all), except that the window size previews are now much more opaque.
not sure if he noticed this but the windows snapping feature got a huge upgrade for those with dockable laptop setups whenever you unplug your monitors, windows will usually screw up where you put your windows. windows 11 can now group windows (if you snapped them to the whole screen) so when you unplug displays, windows remembers what layout it was if you plug them back in.
@@ISKLEMMI I also have dual 34" ultrawide monitors, and that makes it MUCH harder to tell. Overall, Windows 11's UI has been a big improvement for me. Though it has killed the battery life on my laptop.
It kinda has me worried because windows 10 needed more time in the oven when it launched, and it has had quite a lot of time int the oven by now, but i guess microsoft just forgot to turn the heat on and instead put more ingredients in it.
Some of what you say is new in 11 is very much a thing in W10. Also, the "optimism" that a redesigned app like Store will improve in the future seemingly comes with every new version. I'm one of the four people who liked Windows 8.1 better than 10 (I only upgraded for compatibility's sake) and will not upgrade to 11, just like I didn't update to Big Sur because both don't feature enough positive changes to make me put up with all the changes I dislike.
Yeah, that had me scratching my head. The photos app has these extensions already. I use them with apps like Afinity photo and after light. As Quinn says, it is awsome but Macs already have it. Also, IOS extensions do not all redirect you. Afterlight doesn’t for example.
I like how you equally compliment and disparage all operating systems. It's credible and refreshing. One feature I hear is good is how Win11 remembers which monitor your apps are on after you turn them off or disconnect (e.g. for multi-monitor and docked setups). I haven't used Win11 yet, but I'm interested to see this.
@@dreamsnicer Nope, Windows 11 is much better imo. If I have an app on my left monitor, but the monitor turns off. the app goes to my right monitor (like win 10) but unlike win10 when that monitor comes back on, the apps move back to said monitor. very neat feature
@@DrShockz This has been a source of frustration to me with win10. I've my TV connected to my PC and when I turn it on, or conversely off, windows just seem to end up wherever they want. Also buggy HDMI handshake makes my windows rearrange sometimes, I hope win11 handles this better.
As a long time windows user... as long as windows 11 isn't a performance hit, I only see windows 11 as a good thing other than the fact that microsoft lied to us about windows 10 being the last windows lol. My main issue with it is that it seems like an obvious ploy to make perfectly usable hardware "obsolete". only 8th gen or newer intel chips, ryzen 2 or newer, tpm 2.0, secure boot. Like, I could understand recommending those things for the optimal experience, and even a warning during install that you might not get as stable or secure of an experience if you go with it anyway, but forcing people to use hacky workarounds to install windows 11 if they want to, just for windows 11 to run just as well as any other computer is ridiculous. I mean how the heck is a dual core processor, and 4 gb of ram a real requirement for windows, when processors completely capable of all that and more are available, but I can't install windows because muh no TPM or secure boot. Ridiculous.
i fully disagree. update just to update is garbage, i finally remembered where the goddam buttons are now they need to move them?! and the hardware requirements are to software implement hardware security. like a lock on a door, they cant turn keys if the lock isnt there.
@TheGoat I agree it's all for the name of security no matter the performance hit on older hardware (as there is a feature that is on 8th gen intel and ryzen 2 and newer but of course forgot what it's called. All I know is it has to do with handling security I'll update this comment with the tech. But it takes a 10 to 15% performance hit on the processor to emulate it (at least according to linus tech tips still have to do further research to confirm or deny the claims) and yes this isn't sarcasm I'm being 100% honest here.
A self-proclaimed Mac fanboy would definitely think that everything in Windows 11 is better than 10. Not saying that as an insult either, it's just that us long time Windows users are kind of stuck in our ways and W11 is largely a fresh coat of paint more than it is a foundational change. Like how High Sierra brought a new file system, Catalina introduced the Endpoint Security Framework, Big Sur deprecated kernel extensions... there are not any of those kind of foundational changes in W11, unless you count the TPM requirement which is certainly a divisive topic. I have zero desire to move to W11 just to get superficial changes.
Go to linux then :D way better and respects your freedom to do what you want (you can even make it act like any windows version you want btw forgot to mention that this is an edit)
The reality is Windows needs to have absolutely absurd levels of backwards compatibility that most Mac users couldn't even comprehend. To me, this limits the amount of fundamental change Microsoft is capable of doing without messing with millions of users in a significant way Imo this is okay, there's some decisions I like, like with the TPM and VBS requirement to ensure all prebuilts grandma will use will be significantly more secure than before I think it's okay Windows moves towards a focus on quality of life, cohesiveness, and a couple of new features. Windows is mature in its functionality. It just needs to be as polished as possible
@@automata. if u want security linux is just better and for the granma's (as you put it) there are plenty of just works distro's to choose a simple workflow wich is way more secure why debate about the trash spyware that is windows?
@@bored_god_slayer agreed. Even if privacy or security is not your main concern, I feel that Linux interface is far ahead compared to Mac or windows, and there is no debating that. Features that kde and gnome had 20 years ago are now being implemented in crapple and curtains, if I'm paying money for that, I expect value in return. The only feature that windows has is that other losers are on it, which forces real users and developers to spend more time developing for them.
@@bored_god_slayer linux app/game support still sucks compared to windows even mac , dealing with wine is a pain in the butt, also making linux actually look/function how you'd like it takes some effort which a lot of people aren't willing to do/can't.
Start menu sucks when compared to the Windows 10 menu. There's no way to organize pinned icons to groups or folders you have app in groups. I have groups for coding, 3D graphics, animation, games etc. and that way I know exactly where what apps are. In W11 menu that's gone. I can pin apps to favorites but then they are mixed with other apps. So only way to have icons organized is to pin them to the desktop which I hate. I like my desktop clean only containing files that I'm currently working with. Rest of the changes are okay-ish. But they also made changing of web browser painful so that's sucks and W11 is cutting performance of Ryzen CPU so that sucks as well.
As a university researcher who uses multiple analytical tool and software, I feel your pain... I home they re-add the things they remove in w11 or consider adding them back in w12.
I agree with you on almost everything here. Just to let you know though, WIndows 10 also had the window alignment hotkeys for movement up, down, left, and right, and it was also able to minimize and reopen windows. There haven't really been many changes to that in windows 11 except the ability to snap to the top half of the screen or use 3 windows at a time. Windows 11 is awesome though and I love using it.
@@greggoog7559 not sure if you noticed but this pfp was actually taken by accident in a zoom meeting where I was trying the zoom filters out while also using snap camera on windows.
I’ve never used win+arrow keys because I thought that it didn’t make sense, and just took too much time, but they’ll probably add it in a future update
@@SeanyKrabs interesting take on this. I personally find them much faster and snappier than using my mouse to resize the windows, but that could be because I use multiple displays so snapping from the sides is messy.
I've found that I prefer the taskbar in the middle. What I really don't like is constantly needing to click "show more options" every time I right click on something.
why do you need to constantly go into 'show more options'? Those are less used/common items in there. All your cut/copy/paste and common tasks are on that first right click menu.
@@riseabove3082 Opening Git Bash, Windows Terminal, editing with Notepad++ or some other editor. Using third party software like WinRAR. Plenty of reasons that make the current setup annoying. Would be a far better option to have the ability to choose what you have in the context menu but in typical MS fashion its half baked and only acts to push new sales instead of offering meaningful improvements. They didn’t even optimize the performance issues to AMD processors before official release.
Always good to hear a perspective from a Mac person. But, the reasons you love W11 are the reasons many Windows users dislike it. Windows users like to customize, and Microsoft has, for the time being, taken a lot of it away. We like to dig down into the innards. We also don't like the attempt at creating the walled garden. Of course, Mac users are used to that, but Windows users like choice. I'm thinking that W11 was designed by Mac users. The people who hate both macs and Windows will stick with Linux and their 100+ distros.
Visually I can appreciate the upgrade - but functionally I don't like having options forced on me. Small example - the location of the "dock" and menu bar. FFS - let me put it where I want (i.e. vertically on my far left monitor). May seem dumb, but until I have the freedom to choose where and how my menu bar looks, I won't upgrade.
@@s4nari it’s not dumb, I also use my taskbar on my far left monitor and it’s hidden unless i move my cursor over. It’s just quicker to access compared to dragging the mouse all the way to the bottom
Imo, windows has for a long time been between 2 great visions for computers. Windows 10/8 were not looking great, and it’s not something we could really change. We could try to fix the UI with 3rd party softwares, but it was buggy and poorly optimized. Windows is designed for standard users who can’t and don’t want to customize the OS. I’m glad windows 11 chose to stay away from the state where it’s not pretty by default but too complex to be changed
I don’t get how just adding another UI layer to everything makes everything better though. I still often need to use functions that aren’t in the windows 11 right-click menus, so I end up having to click into the windows 10 menus, which still look old and clashy and take up more room on screen
Can you give an example? Are you talking about app stuff like "add to Winzip archive" or similar? And what do you mean the old menus take up more space? On my setup, the old menus are narrower and have smaller fonts. Of course they are longer because they have more items on them. The new menus take up more space per menu item (maybe that's what you meant, sorry).
Keep in mind, that's just a temp legacy feature until apps update to support the new menu (there's already some apps like NanaZip, a fork of 7-zip, that supports the new menu now). Almost all official functions are already in the new menu, the Show more options is gonna disappear eventually.
Wow, I actually prefer a lot of design decisions here compared to MacOS.. didn’t think that was ever going to happen 😅 And FINALLY a good Settings app..
i think windows is really trying, because they know many people lost faith in them since vista and 8. the reason why 10 - 11 were free upgrades is because ms is still recovering from vista and 8.
“I have experience with Windows from Windows 8 going on” - Quinn “I was born into Windows 95, I was moulded by Windows 98…Windows XP answers to me, I am its master” - Bane 😂😂😂
Switched to Linux around a year ago and haven't looked back since. I'm now running Arch + KDE Plasma + window tiling. The biggest surprise was realizing how Windows restricts you and shoves things down your throat. With Windows 11 it's only worse with the taskbar now not relocatable, among other things. You should be able to create the workflow that works best for you. User choice shouldn't be taken for granted.
Linux is disaster of an OS. It's very difficult to use and the community is full of cancer. I will touch any Linux distro again. Windows gives you everything you need. I can do whatever I like on windows and its not restricted
@@obvinpro 1. No, Linux is not a disaster. Over 90% of servers and IoT devices, and all Android phones run some form of Linux. (Yes, I know Android has a different user space.) For the desktop, it's constantly evolving and improving, and at this point in time most users never NEED to use the terminal. Some still may, because it is the more efficient way to do some tasks. 2. No, the community is not full of cancer. Yes, there are elitists, like there are in any community. The large majority of us, myself included, are willing to help new users. 3. The best advice I have for switching is that Linux isn't Windows. You shouldn't expect it to be and then throw your hands in the air. 4. Try changing your desktop environment or window manager on Windows. You can't, because Microsoft locks you in to Explorer and DWM. Try changing your theme. You can't, without super broken convolution methods. Try getting read-write access to the entire file system in order to do more level customization. You can't, without super broken convoluted methods. On Linux, you can literally modify and compile your own kernel. This is the type of user choice and freedom I am talking about. You might not care about these types of things, but many do. I'm not even going to get into the horrible privacy and security of Windows, or how Microsoft literally just released a package manager after over 20 years.
I stumbled across your channel tonight as of TH-cam's suggestion for this video. As an IT professional going on almost 30 years and Windows/Linux user by trade and hobby, I'd like to thank you for your objective point of view. I find this refreshing. Why, it's almost like it's safe for people to prefer operating systems based on personal need and tastes! Go figure! Thank you for one of the best Windows 11 videos I've seen thus far. I now plan to check your channel as part of my regular tech viewing. Who knows? I might learn a thing or two about Mac! I haven't used Apple since the IIc and IIgs ;)
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They had a chance to rewrite everything instead of relying on code that hasn't changed since Windows 95. They didn't. It's just a new coat of paint on a retro OS.
More accurate would be since XP and 7/Vista, Windows 95 is s totally different OS at the core, being DOS-based rather than NT. But yeah some remenants exist. The reason, besides MS focusing on layering the modern stuff on top of the ancient 7-based core since Win 8, is backwards compatibility. Unlike Linux which uses containers and just changes itself radically every fee years, Windows can't even let you make a folder called con so that there's compatibility with DOS printing. For compatibility to break the OS would practically no longer be Windows.
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@@roundduckkira While true for the kernel, I was mostly referring to the other parts of the OS that still share the same code. This even includes some of the UI elements you can find deep in the menus.
Working as a dev for 4 years my views have changed on this issue. I think people underestimate a battle tested, extensively bug tested software, which has had major improvemnts even if certain parts or even the core is old.
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@@preetham4948 Working 15 years as a dev, I've realized that code-rot really exists. Something being old and tested doesn't mean it is automatically good. It may all come crumbling down at any new variable in the overall system. Also, having talked to Microsoft engineers, they've told that many parts of the OS are from the 90's and so badly documented and written that people are not willing or allowed to touch them as it would most likely break too many connected things.
@ I think code rot and battle-tested can happen, tho I'm the least experienced and merely just got a software development degree. Just depends on design, path of development, and developers. On one hand, a lot of GNU code in Linux date back to pre-95 times, shellshock was a bug that dated from the early days of Bash. Despite a lot of bugs like thst though, since the code scope is so constrained per program, they do tend to be fast and slick and not suffer from much cruft, besides probably Bash considering shellshock. To this day a GNU program is faster and has more features, as much as thst leads to criticism, than an equivilent Unix-like tool from BSD or wherever. On the other hand, Windows has changed so much but the changles were piled on something so old and the developers did it in such a sloppy fashion that it leads to Windows being clunky. To be fair though Windows is doing pretty good for such a thing tho, ot could've been like Bethesda's Creative Engine wnere the core, Gamebryo, ends up being way more than clunky and leads to horrible performance and bugs.
The visual improvements look a lot like my Linux Gnome desktop. I'd love to see a review of Manjaro Gnome compared to Windows and Mac because the new Windows looks like they took a lot of what's in Linux and called it their own.
Based on your review, I love how they keep the professional settings' layout. I mean prople who go to network setting is definitely not the basic users.
every single basic user goes to network settings at least once, because every single user has experienced a network shortage and they have to see if it's their router or the ISP.
@@grproteus not every single user knows network settings even exist. We're in a bubble, having videos like Quinn's recommended to us on TH-cam. Many people don't know how to do basic stuff like create new user accounts, let alone fund the advanced network settings. This is obviously the extremely misguided ethos behind the "simplification" of Windows 11 (and why "simplification" is now a euphemism for "we depreciated a feature customization feature that you used to take advantage of to save yourself time, to save us some dev time, because our money is more important than our software being versatile)".
@@awesomeferret .... I offered a proof for my statement: every single user has dealt with loss of network, hence they know settings exist. If you want to refute that proof, go ahead. On the other hand, feel free to believe whatever you want, no worries.
@@grproteus you're being incredibly strange, just be aware of that. I live in a multi generational household with someone who recently got their first cellular phone of any kind. There are people out there that have to be taught just to login and log out, let alone even connect to their own wifi network. If you don't regard this as fact, you are in a bubble (although I don't see how that's possible, hence why you come across so strangely). You know full well you didn't offer proof of your statement to (and neither did I). Maybe I'm taking the word "proof" too literally, but you made an objectively opinionated comment that my own side gig of helping seniors use computers arguably defies and you claimed that was "proof". Are you intentionally insulting your own intelligence and I've fallen for a troll or do you maybe not know what the word "proof" means?
@@awesomeferret is it rude, or is it strange? There there, I hope I didn't hurt anyone's feelings when I said that every basic user has seen the network dialog. I also hope I didn't sound too strange.
Most of the things you said windows 11 does, windows 10 does exactly the same way. Especially regarding window management. Use windows 10 sometime, you'll be amazed at how stale w11 feels.
@@Ace21kg It's not. Win 11 is little more than a bad GUI update, feature strip, scheduler update, and inclusion of even more asinine and intrusive adware. It's also a step backwards in performance in high performance applications.
@@Ace21kg if, by improved, you mean the awful right click menu "upgrade" and the inability to position the taskbar, yes, win 11 is vastly improved. I don't get why some people feel they have to defend an awful corporation that pushed out a half-baked update. Don't you learn from Vista and Windows 8?
Most Windows fanboys (Like me) hate on W11 because we *like* pretty everything about W10 that was changed (I prefer sharp corners for example, and I don't want my desktop to have similar UI to my phone) But I like enough of the features of W11 to switch.... except for the privacy stuff, demand for a Microsoft account, and the Apple-Wannabe UI Thus I don't think I'll be upgrading
Thanks for the video. Basically most of the stuff that you found new I already do in Windows 10, and the actual new stuff are things that I don't particularly care for, so this video helped me in determining that Windows 11 isn't worth the upgrade for me.
I'm with you. I'm certainly not doing it yet. They got rid of a few things that I use a lot in Windows 10. For example, swiping from the left opens up the Task View, and you can just tap whichever open window you want to bring to the front. That same swipe gesture in Windows 11 opens up that stupid Widgets panel. Sure, Windows 11 has a lot of redeeming features compared to Windows 10 (a lot of them I like), but for me the cons outweigh the pros, so for the time being I'm sticking with Windows 10.
Someone from Microsoft should see this. Each and every improvement suggestion that's been made in the video is pure gold. Quinn showing top-tier product development skills! Perhaps the only thing I'll add is faster wake up from sleep. Mac still does that better.
Maybe I'm just used to windows 10's fewer animations, but the extra animations in windows 11 make things feel slower to me. Also opening folders and files from desktop and explorer takes longer for some reason. I was using the dev build so hopefully they improve this.
there is animation that windows 11 removed and I hate that they removed it... it's the vDesktops switching animation I use it quite a lot, even in windows 10. and I'm happy it got an upgrade but I need to know which desktop I am in, and I need to be sure my windows didnt lag. so I kindof needed that animation which unfortunately has no settings for those whatsoever.
Cool I'll try disabling animations. My only other complaints are no small task bar and no battery power usage menu in the task bar, but those features are small enough that I can live without them
I remember watching this video when it came out and rewatching it now, for some reason I remembered you being more critical of Windows 11. As a fellow Mac user I also love Windows 11 and agree with most of your points except I disagree about Vista/7 Aero being bad (I love Aero and Windows 7 is still my favorite version of Windows) and about the centered taskbar (centered makes so much more sense, I hate having it left-aligned).
It seems Mac users are the most happy with the new version of Windows (myself included). Great comment; I agree 100%. Windows power-users generally like to nerd out on options and waste time setting up their OS. We typically hate that crap.
Many thanks for the excellent video, Quinn! I'm a recent Mac user for my personal use, but at work all the computers have been upgraded to Windows 11, so this video will come in handy. 😃
@@mapguy it was said to be impossible for linux to play even 30% of your games,now its 90%+ and the incompatibilities are dropping by alot (and with anticheat,its only going to get alot better). linux even now has gaming features windows doesnt have (like FSR for all games that doesnt add input lag,or custom kernels for free perfromance) for some apps,it may take awhile,but it can come.
I was a long-time Windows user, then I favoured OS X over that, then I started my Linux journey… It was as easy to use as Windows or OS X when I stayed with distributions that were made for people who are used to Windows or OS X and therefore did not add that much more value to me. But diving more and more behind the restricting user-friendly boundaries revealed a new world of productivity and power a normal OS X user probably will never experience, and the same goes for the Windows users. Ironically, it took me years to figure out, that using a mouse is the biggest productivity killer one can experience with personal computers! Using a window manager like i3WM - investing some time to fine tune key bindings, setup, update and adapt configurations - made me do literally everything just with my keyboard. My productivity just skyrocketed, and I want to use this comment here to thank all these great personalities that contributed to open-source software! You are and always will be my heroes of the modern world! Thank you, thank you and thank you!
Except it often takes a very noticeable amount of time to do so, sometimes actually doesn't find anthing and just bing searches it despite it working normally, and other times it flat out fails. If you've never noticed this before, lucky you! This happens to random computers and no one knows why.
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Quinn broke into a high school chemistry lab and is using it for his new snazzy studio.
😂
My thoughts exactly... Although that's nicer than any high school lab I've ever seen and I was a HS science teacher. More like a college lab.
@@mrtempertantrum looks like my high school chemistry/physics classroom. Torrance High, film location for the 90s TV shows “Beverly Hills 90210,” “Buffy the Vampire Slayer,” and some others.
Lol
I swear my school has the exact same tabletops and cabinets as those in our lab rooms
You are NOT a fanboy, Quinn.
You're one of the most rational Mac reviewers out there, with a balance of skepticism and appreciation that is rare to match!
TH-cam forces people to use stupid titles, it sucks but you can't get angry at content creators for having to do this to keep thier view count healthy.
If there’s any Apple product I’m a fanboy of though, it’s macOS lol
@@snazzy I mean, same. I don't enjoy Apple's anti-R2R stance, but MacOS is definitely good!
@@snazzy and that shows in this review A LOT, you may not love every aspect of it but in most cases it's "it works like mac, cool!"
@@snazzy you clearly also are a LS fanboy, that sad Linus deskpad is lit :D.
Why though do you have such an insanely strong filter here to literally everything related to his webshop? I tried like 20 different versions of the address and they all get auto purged. Seems a bit over the top imho..
0:47 Oh Yeah Quiin, we can see you're a man of culture with that Linus Mousepad on your desk.
Bonjour
Lmao
Linus is to tech what Lady Gaga is to music. (Do whatever you want with it.)
But Torwald?, another story...
Had an LTT water bottle at 0:12 as well
@@elrerex255 uhhh, that is not a good comparison. 😂
I like the aesthetic changes in W11, but there are two missing features that for me really hurt productivity compared to W10. The first is that there's no groups or tabs or folders in the start menu for organising apps, whereas I can logically group stuff in W10. And the second is the loss of the 'do not combine' mode for the icons on the taskbar, I love that feature to quickly identify and switch between multiple instances of apps with one click. Without these features, the basic use of my computer is slowed down so, I'm hoping a future update will put these features back in. I'm sticking with W10 in the meantime because of this
lmao they got rid of the second feature because nobody used it. And sorry but I don't think Microsoft is thinking about bringing back those features.
@@_reZ Because people don't change defaults, not because it's better.
yeah about the second one, people are alt+tab ing anyways so they probably not taking priority of it
First issue, I agree, the idea of grouping apps I really liked.
When setting up new computers for clients, I would group all their productivity apps in one place so they had it all there, then weather, MAPS etc.
However you can orient them in the APPS window as you please, by row etc.
I have not realized any slowness though because of it. But with UIs people get used to looking for things in a certain place. Hang in there.
There are 3rd party apps that make it closer to windows 10 and change things like the start menu
Thank you for not just dumping on 11! This is a really thoughtful review of the improvements.
10:20 Windows 10 has had this for the last 2 years or so, just putting icons ("ads") there and downloading them once clicked on instead of downloading them automatically. I want to say they got sued in 2019 for pre-installing apps that companies payed Microsoft to pre-install
Surprised to see you're so positive about it! I use Windows for multiple hours every day, and though I was excited for the new look, I am disappointed to see so many things I used so much in Windows 10 be gone/changed in Windows 11:
- The calendar integrations
- The Start Menu tiles (yes I'm one of the seven people that liked them)
- No folders in the new Start Menu pinned apps
- Disabling the recent files in the new Start Menu doesn't free up space for more pinned app shortcuts; it still takes up the same space but with a message saying "you **could** see recent files here if you enable it"
- Right-clicking the Task Bar for the Task Manager (I know Ctrl+Shift+Escape is a thing)
- Some animations now start slow and ramp up afterwards, making them feel sluggish, instead of starting off fast and then easing down to a stop like in Windows 10
- Windows 10's "Acrylic" blur effect is far superior to Windows 11's "Mica", where the latter always shows a blurred version of your wallpaper, and the former actually shows a blurred version of any window behind the blur which looks way more natural to me
- Tapping with 4 fingers on a trackpad used to open the unified notification/control panel in Windows 10, but now it only shows the notification panel in Windows 10, whereas I primarily used it to quickly open the control panel
- You can no longer see the current seconds in the taskbar (not even by editing the registry), nor by opening the notification panel, which means that the only place you can natively see the current seconds in the OS is in the date/time formatting settings
- Virtual desktops no longer show a swiping animation when switching between them, so creating/switching/deleting similar looking desktops using the keyboard shortcuts has no visual feedback and it looks like it doesn't do anything, even if it does
- Disappointed that there wasn't a File Explorer redesign other than "add more spacing" and "simplify the ribbon" but I feel like that's still coming
I absolutely know I am nitpicking with some of these, but some of them really ruin my flow. I am hopeful that Microsoft will keep expanding Windows 11 to bring some of these features back. The rest I will just have to get used to (and I will).
I will miss the Start Menu tiles too. I have them arranged perfectly on my Windows 10 Desktop so I'll have to reimagine that when I upgrade.
You can still right click on the start button to access many things that were previously accessible by right clicking the start menu.
I really hope they add a way to add seconds to the taskbar clock, or I hope T-Clock is able to make their application work in Win11.
If you're a Windows Insider feel free to add some of your complaints to the Feedback Hub. It's where Microsoft sees most of the complaints and suggestions for Windows 10 and 11.
I really don't understand why microsoft is removing features, especially ones that people use (eg taskbar repositioning). I loved the win 10 start menu, but the new start menu layout just seems confusing. I miss the white windows 10 logo. I agree with basically all the points listed above.
@@jammaschan I don't really get it either. I'm sure some of it will come back eventually lol
You're not nitpicking, and I agree with all of those being issues.
Does anybody know if in the new Start Menu if you right click on for example Word will it still give you a list of the most recently opened apps? I use this functionality a lot in Windows 10.
Those windows 95 settings is where you can actually change settings that matter
And it is beyond frustrating that there is still two settings applications. They should either finish the new settings app or just modernize the control panel.
@@SEVENTEENPOINT1 two control panels. And the new one is BAD.
its where all setting come from its called control panel
@@SEVENTEENPOINT1 I kinda hoped we'd see THREE settings apps. The W11 one, the W10 and ol-good control panel.
Because apparently now ms is run by instagram-victims and hipsters.
@@grproteus Why stop at 3? Why not have a settings application for each individual setting?
Marques Brownlee: so I’ve been using *just announced piece of tech* for about two weeks now.
Snazzy: so I’ve been using windows 11 for a few hours.
Ever tried to get a Mac user to use another OS for 2 hrs?
The stuff in this video is all things you should notice in the first 30 minutes, so this review is fine for a couple hours. He's not going over CPU/GPU usage or deep tech dive. Personally, I've been pretty "meh" on Windows since Win7, and overall I prefer the look and feel of Win11 - also the HDR I feel is better here.
@@MichaelSmith-fg8xh ever tried to get a Windows user to use MacOS for a few hours?
@@gfyGoogle It's probably fine but I lose my s@#€ in about 2 minutes over the way windows maximise... Even Linux OSs that don't have GUIs annoy me less.
@@gfyGoogle yes, he’s a Mac user after that 😀
The biggest issue I think most have with it is how many power user features were striped out because they rushed 11 to market and didn't have time to reimplement them. For example, you mention the lack of moving the taskbar to any side but the bottom, that was because the taskbar was rewritten from scratch using XAML/UWP and they didn't have time to add it back if they wanted to ship on time to hit the holidays. Another way you can tell it was rushed is how some of the promised features got pushed to later updates (redesigned Paint, redesigned and merged Media Player app to replace Groove Music and Movies & TV, Android app support, etc.)
11 is full of stuff like this were they just reimplemented the bare min possible to get a stable OS out in time, for non-power users it's just 10 but way better design and a non-issue but for power-users, it's 10 with a better design but 100s of missing features they use daily preventing them from being able to upgrade even if they want to.
a year later, most of the issues i had have been fixed
@@BooleanDev
So only one year of inconvenience and regret?
@@ScramTek nah i didnt upgrade until they were fixed
@brandon exactly! and no it is not "fixed" as of 2023414. if you are happy on win10 stay right where you are.
@@pookiepats which features are you specifically talking about other than putting taskbar on the side of the screen?
I kinda miss the Windows 10 start menu
I understand most people didn’t care for it but I took my time pimping it out with beautiful tiles for all my steam games and now they’re all gone
Yeah, the new start menu situation is absolutly gonna take some getting used to... I personally didn`t mind the live tiles situation, and I also used them for more commonly used programs that weren`t used frequently enough to be pinned to the taskbar, but either I didn`t want to clutter my desktop with, or I would use just often enough that I`d want it to be easily accessible in situations where I already have other open windows, and don`t want to deal with having to minimize everything
I do. I hate the new Win 11 start menu because it doesn't seem to allow creating groups. Also, I don't want to have a suggested app section. Basically the old start menu is all I want.
@@michaelchung8102 yeah having just a bunch of icons clumped together feels like a regression
seems like people actually like the windows 10 start menu more. I am one of those people
I feel like the new windows 11 start menu is simpler, so I like it more.
I remember sending MS feedback about the start menu location, requesting an option to have the start menu in the middle. Simple reason. I had an ultra wide monitor. It makes a lot more sense to have the button in the middle, cause it saves you so much mouse travel. Everyone reviewing keeps complaining and changing it back to left side alignment, but I really appreciate the middle option.
I have an ultra wide monitor too and never had the same issue that you are talking about
I like the middle option, but it should be an option only. Reason being that it seems like moving it to the middle is the only improvement to the startmenu/taskbar situation. Almost everything else has regressed.
To me it just seems that windows is trying to make it moe “touch screen” friendly. Looks like they are trying to slowly convert a pc into giant phone like os.
I use Linux on a ultrawide i keep my task bar on the left cause on the bottom it looks weird being so big and i dont like floating docks in the middle, as for mouse travel im a hotkey maniac i only really use my mouse for apps i dont use often
In the not too distant future Microsoft is planning to make a single OS that is fully compatible across multiple devices.
I can't hear that intro music without thinking he's about to go into "super-fast build mode".
100%
Yay! Another Good Times With Scar fan I see! (Exactly why I came to the comments just now) It's so weird when I hear Hermitcraft Timelapse music used in non-Hermitcraft related videos. lol
@@RogueCarrot Me too! I was confused for a sec what I was watching. Lol
lol this.. absolutely this.
Literally went to the comments to see who else heard that as well
Why are people just now realising that task view is a thing? It’s been around since windows 10 came out
I guess it's not as easy to recognize as "rounded corners" lmao
In addition to running legacy software going back forever, installing subsystems for Linux and Android allow you to install and run those apps easily and they feel almost native. The apps even show up in your start menu for easy access.
It’s not full Teams, it’s only usable with personal accounts and pretty much useless for people needing it for work 🙄
So now I have two versions of teams installed on my PC.
Just like Skype and Skype for business. They have leaned nothing.
It's usable with non personal accounts but only if the machine is managed by a business or educational facility. So yeah... It's still dumb.
@@Esablaka they should have spend the time developing a multi account version of teams instead. This is so disappointing
@@andreas363 Teams does support multi accounts now. Once you have logged in, you can keep switching between them. Often times, when you click on a link it ask you if you want to switch to the account to which link was sent. It’s not consistent though.
I don't get the point in Teams for Consumers. It's virtually just Skype. It has almost the same features. It has almost the same design as modern Skype does too. And it's confusingly named.
I think it's just because the "Teams" (for business) brand is liked, whereas the "Skype" brand is disliked.
The bloatware not actually being installed is also a Windows 10 thing. This isn't unique to 11.
Well this time, the shortcuts aren't actually in the app list. Only pinned shortcuts.
That has been a Windows prebuilt issue forever. Those of us that are DYI builders do not know what bloatware is.
definitely a few things he missed (like using the arrow keys as a d pad, though it seems better now) but yeah overall great! and good features regardless
@@dev.lockridge Yeah I switched over after it hit the beta insiders channel. Been a adjustment but it is a good effort.
Is this the new Microsoft? I hope so.
But really what I want is the new M1X MBP. Come on Apple…..
@@AmericaWhatsup honestly there’s been so much negativity I didn’t even consider it, but on a productivity machine this seems like exactly what I need. thinkpad coming in soon, just might run 11!
Just a suggestion, but I really like when there are chapters / timestamps for the video
It's really good for the user. Terrible for the you tube algorithm.
@Mario really?? not a creator but i would think adopting a new “feature” would help with the algorithm
That's good to know because I suck at doing that for my channel lol
@@KE-sk2xe probably reduces watch time
@@rathusansatkunarajah330 100% reduces watch time unless you are a regular watcher.
When you have time stamps (not that you couldn’t do it before) you can choose what to watch and the YTber gets less money.
However, with all the sponsorships that videos have nowadays, i think it’s a fair battle.
@16:40 I may misunderstand the implementation you're describing, but Photos on macOS has had this for years. If you start editing a picture, there's a menu with three dots near the top right corner where you can select third party extensions that offer extended functionality.
Yeah, how can he not know? Sure the files are always saved as jpegs. I do like that you can always revert back to the original.
1:50 that’s what I feel every time I admin a windows pc for friends or family. The deeper you go the more windows 3.1 feeling comes to live. Really feels like a bunch of teams developing their one thing and then glue every snippet to one OS…Boom…the new windows. Have to try Win11 as a Mac user
It's almost the same with MacOS, the difference is that Apple updates the UI.
You can change some files in win 11 and make it look like win 10 in about 15 mins
Not only mac fanboys ... That thumbnail has the exact face I make every time after switching from windows 10 .... Congratulations Quinn for 1M ♥️
... you like windows? I assumed that all other windows users were like me and hated it but only used it cause we had to for games or software
@@-aexc- well It's the same for me .... Mostly games ... And the wide range of free softwares that are available for windows ... But I won't say I hated it ... I haven't used macOS in my life so may be that would have changed my mind but overall I liked windows ...
I like windows better than macOs, windows 11 not sure how it will go.
Yeah windows is so simple to use
For experts, Windows is far better. It can be customized to fit so many purposes. Linux is number 2. But Mac OS is still pretty great just not as great as the other 2.
Why does the expression “sucked rocks” just make complete sense
Me watching this video. "Why does Quinn think that Windows settings have always been terrible?". then I remembered that his first windows was 8 and I went "Oh that's why."
Settings have been awful since Win 7. They got truly truly bad with win 10. Painful.
They have always been terrible
Windows settings have always been easy for me, I just search what I want in the start menu easy.
@@Username_Invalid that means search is good, not that settings is good. That technique works with pretty much any way of organizing settings
@@iurigrang True, good point. To be fair on my Mom MacBook when I help her I can’t find a damn thing in the settings.
"I know a lot of windows people are super pissed about the new version but i don't really know why"
Simple, microsoft is trying to make windows more like mac os, and the reason people hate that is because, well, it's *windows* , NOT mac os
There's a few features you mentioned as being new to Win11 but have existed before Win11, like Windows Key + Arrow Key for window docking, and some earlier mentioned stuff I forget what exactly, maybe the photo editor or something, oh it was the Multiple Desktops feature, that was alreadyin Win10. Anyways, good review of Win11, also some really great suggestions to improve the OS. The main issue's people are having with Win11 is more to do with hardware compatibility and negatively affecting performance of certain CPU's and GPU's.
Thanks for making this video and doing a pretty in depth overview of it, for us not wanting to test it ourselves to find out, this has been a great video.
Most of the features he mentioned are already on later versions of Windows 10, actually new things are mostly just UI based.
Yeah the photo viewer combined with photo editor is identical to Windows 10. The arrow keys to dock the windows I just tried it and works exactly the same in Windows 10.
I was looking for this comment, because there is a whole bunch of stuff in this video that is in Windows 10 and works the same way.
The Multiple Windows feature first came out in WIN 7. Perhaps even VISTA (Same OS).
You had to know how to add new windows though.
Docking was also a thing in WIN7. However it did not recognize the right edge of a left screen on a two screen display, not the left edge on the right screen. Not that feature has greatly improved in WIN 11
Having multiple desktops is actually quite useful for fullscreen games that don't like being alt-tabbed. It means I can do things like change the song/video in the background without having to wait for the game to tab out and in again.
I never thought of using it like that, that's genius! Because with some super unoptimized games it can almost cause a crash when you all tab.
I too never thought about using it like that but now I will.
As a developer, I use this feature all the time.
my major gripe with the new virtual desktops, is that my puny quad core is occasionally getting tanked by the new virtual desktops
what sucks even more is that the new virtual desktops dont have an animation when switching windows, or at least tell you what vDesktop you are in right now
(since you can name them)
hoping for a fix in a future update
For me, since i multitask and open more than 50s tabs of edge/chrome open, virtual desktop really helps in organizing them. I split the tabs into groups like, general, work, hobby, porn, game, and make virtual desktop for each of them. This way, i won't alt tab to a distracting window when i want to be productive.
23:14 This has been a thing since Windows 7
One little thing; macOS Photos does actually have the extension system, and if you have Pixelmator or Affinity they do tie into Photos and allow in-line editing. But that comparison view reminded me of Aperture and I want it
iOS Photos as well
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. It’s there, but there’s not a ton of 3rd party support for it.
Had no idea Affinity connect with Photos!!
You can also edit to Lightroom
yep. Aperture should have been the default macos app.
I think it’s great they moved the menu in the middle. AND preserved the option to move it in corner if needed. None of the reviewers are taking into account the ultra wide screen users, who suffered for years with a start menu in the left corner
Nonsense, it was a moronic decision.
@@carldrogo9492 good argument, if only you actually said why
@@Glade4 the reason I can think of is that if you have an unactivated copy, its forced center.
@@stanzacosmi F
Only after hearing your experience, did I recognize that many things like the slimmer scroll bar, and smoother scrolling have been in Windows 10 as well (and rounded corners in Windows 7, for instance), they've just been dialed up to 11. It looks like they finally polished these additions. Looking at the speed Microsoft is going with their OS' really feels like there's a Valve-sized team working on them. After having heard nothing but bad things about W11's performance, not only Ryzen being broken but rightklick taking short while to open up the context menu and submenus taking their time too to open, this makes me consider upgrading for the first time.
Definitely want what you described at 10:45. That'd be awesome.
I don't know if you're using W11 right now, but I am and the performance is just the same as with W10 and the right click animation, wich bothered me in the first place, now looks just right, it's just beautiful.
Install it and test by yourself, people all over internet are mean to new stuff. We humans adapt fast, especially to good things
Im not fan of the slimmer scroll bars. When I need to scroll, Im busy and don't like having to aim my curser in that hair-thin line.
@@ghanus2009 The hitbox is actually bigger than the line, but don't you use the scroll wheel?
I have been enjoying Windows 11 a lot recently on my gaming PC. All of these new visual features and animations are a nice touch and it makes using Windows fun again.
Right! For me too! Using it for two months now and I like it!
As someone who genuinely misses the Windows 7 aesthetic and ease of applying skins as well as the 7 Start menu; this does look and seem better than 10 by a significant degree. My concerns lie heavily in the back-end though. In knowing how invasive Microsoft has been with telemetry, marketing, and targeted ads within the OS, I can't help but wonder how much more deeply they are sinking this telemetry into the Windows 11 OS for further privacy invasion. I'm waiting on 11 not just for the issues, but also until all that telemetry has been identified and something like WinAero Tweaker can disable all of it.
They wouldn't have made a new version for any other reason. This is 100% for data collection
@@trousers2 Speculation. They 'could' also bury whatever levels of data collection Windows 11 will have into Windows 10 as well. The problem with trying is that those who already know how to circumvent, block, or otherwise disable all the existing forms of data collection can likely find and do the same to any further updates. They don't need to introduce 11 to add more spyware and data collection. 11 is mostly being introduced for appealing to investors. Microsoft is mostly trying to solicit investors or further growth of their stock value. Data collection is a side-hustle. 11 will likely have more, that much is certain. I'll be shocked if it doesn't, and I'll update immediately if there is none or we're fully allowed to opt out of all of it and the adware. But I still miss skins like HUD and DarkMatter that alter the entire look of the system UI. I loved that so much.
Windows 11 looks far worse than even windows 10 for unnecessary services, telemetry etc
@@stealthysaucepan2016 I think you guys should be far far more worried about your smartphone's data collection than your pc or laptop considering they most often contain your most private pictures, have the ability to track your location (even when location services are off), know where you've been or eaten out at (uber eats, Google maps anyone?), are often used for online banking and purchases, store your biometric data (do you really think it stays only on your device just because they say so?) , learn your speech and text input methods and habits, have an activity log of which shows you watch on Netflix, TH-cam, etc, store and backup data containing which apps you've launched and at what time etc. That's not even scraping the surface when you look at what Facebook has been playing at. Most people use that service on their phones. Yet I don't see any comments about this in videos showcasing android or ios updates, nor do I see the constant (but ultimately non existent) threat to switch to Linux (or alternative mobile os).
The point here is not to condone what MS is doing but to shed light on everything which is worse which people have forgotten and happily walked right into. At best it's pure negligence and at worst double standards
@@SHRModding Who said we use smart phones?
13:41
Doesn't W10 have pretty much the same feature for the microphone? For example, in my bottom right icons there is a microphone. Hovering my mouse over it, it says that "(application) is using your microphone". Left clicking the microphone takes me to the microphone settings where I can choose to let or not let any apps use the microphone. In there, it even displays two different lists for Microsoft store apps and desktop apps.
yep, but to be fair I like the red more since I didn't really notice the win 10 mic because it was white.
@@jammaschan it isn't always red, but seems to use your accent color
@@vcprocles huh interesting
linux had it way before windows
Yes. Tho I disabled it the first time I saw it. I want a clean OS. And when not using, my microphone is hardware-off anyway.
The good things are stolen from Linux and MacOS, the bad things remain the same. Well done, Microsoft!
Great Video! I recently upgraded over this last weekend and I am happy that Microsoft seems to have really taken the time to modernize and consolidate their platform. Windows 10 was a step forward, however, I felt that anytime I had to troubleshoot an issue with my system I was constantly swapping between old and new UI or layouts. The search bar felt almost completely useless. In fact I never used it for anything more than searching for the settings window or other basic Windows Legacy items (CMD, RUN, File Explorer, etc). It was incredibly jarring to jump between 2 or 3 separate tabs just to work out an issue or find a feature. Windows 11 works so much better during normal use than previous iterations. I feel like I can complete all my work unimpeded like I did in Windows 7, it was the MOST functional Windows ever for desktop pc use. I can safely say that so far Windows 11 has the potential to surpass it. It has it's caveats and it's a lot to get used to, but I think we are finally there.
Interesting, I never experienced that. I use that search bar for everything, in WIN10 and 11, or conversion formulas etc.
Partnering with Google instead of Amazon would have been great. Google calendar, Gmail, and TH-cam apps integrated by default.
I don't want to sign up for Outlook and whatever calendar they choose to integrate, and have Teams and Skype and whatever else, just make the core OS as quick as stable as possible.
MS probably wanted to, but Google wouldn’t take it. That would be a big blow for Chrome OS.
Google won't accept the deal.
Even MS want, Google would say No.
But does microsoft want you to have google appstore insted of microsoft apps? And how does it go whit the securty by google?
@@noudockeloen what security are you talking about?
I think the fact that they’re trying to phase out the old windows is nice for visual cohesion but those older menus is where you can get really nitty gritty settings and options so as a windows user i really like the fact that the older windows is still there
I've been using Windows 11 since the dev channel opened in the summer and want to mention that window snapping is actually a lot better than before! In windows 10 if you snapped one window to half your screen it would show you apps you have open to fill the other half. Or at least thats how you'd think it would act because it would (at least for me) always maximize that second app (covering the first) which was HORRIBLE UX. In windows 11 that second app will now only fill up the half of the screen it should. This should never have been a problem in the first place but it was a fairly major frustration of mine. Other than some dev channel stability issues (my graphics are pretty messed up rn but I think its a driver thing) I've been loving W11. I haven't read into why anyone hates it because frankly I don't care if they do, but I had to check out your video since my opinions are aligned with yours more often than for other creators. I also thought the audio wasn't bad in this video.
some people will always hate windows simply "because", ask them why and they cant actually explain it, only: "because"
Now try linux
😂😂😂
Damn Linux somehow insanely good and insanely garbage at the same time
If he even manages to install it
@@DamgladorThat's so freaking true. When it works it completely rips apart windows and macs, when it doesn't, it rips out your brain.
If he installs linux he will never go back
I hate the "smooth" scrolling. All it does is slow down what you are actually trying to get to. Not much worse then a scroll that doesn't go fast enough when dealing with a large document.
I think it has a place if it can keep up. But I've seen some smart phones/apps totally screw this up.
That's not how the macOS scroll works though. It's just as slow or fast and responsive as you want. But it's smooth, maybe due to has inertia, but also due to a superior trackpad.
Great review, but the "mostly opaque but mildly transparent" window header effect that you're praising was achievable clear back on Windows Vista by just sliding the transparency bar. What you're demonstrating as vastly superior to Aero is almost identical to how my windows looked well over a decade ago.
Guess he's never use themes or a theme program back when Windows XP was still a thing, rounded corners was possible back then with XP same with the glass look and changing the animation and animation speeds 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
My SISTER and many other people don't mess with settings. They leave them on default. Hell, I tried to help my sister who's used computers for over thirty years and said "open File Manager" but she didn't know what it was... I literally have to say "click the Start Button" now click this... then this...
@@photonboy999 Considering it's the File Explorer and not a file manager like you'd have on a phone, I'd understand the confusion.
It's not. The blend/blur effect is a new thing that didn't exist in Vista or 10. It's something far more complicated than simply changing opacity.
@@timestimesx7535 cool, but the end effect looks pretty much identical to Aero.
Expected a GoodTimesWithScar timelapse and got a Windows 11 review. What a time to be alive...
I just hate some of the advanced features deeper in the OS being removed. Like the flexibility of the task bar settings. For PCs I remote in often I keep the task bar on top so it doesn’t interfere with my PCs actual task bar. Why is this an issue? Because I can’t live without auto hide task bar. It makes the whole experience working in productivity apps so much better. You feel immersed in your work with the extra screen real estate. It may not seem like much, but once you try it you can’t go back. There were a few other features removed or changed that only a power user would notice but they are features I use constantly daily to improve my experience that I can no longer live without.
I think the start menu shortcuts (i cant remember what they are called) were removed too? I can’t remember. But im someone who cares about the aesthetics of my PC so I pin every major app that I use in the start menu then fire up my animated wall paper software and BOOM! A sexy clean desktop with no icons and a smooth playing looping video.
One thing I can praise windows 11 on though is the changes to task view. I heavily use that feature. I want those changes in windows 10 now.
Overall, I’d be willing to update on my 2-in-1 laptop for the better touch functionality, but due to productivity I can’t switch on my main PC.
I hope they fix these small issues, because overall I like the update. Its just these pain points for features I use heavily.
Are you talking about the tiles in the start menu? If I recall correctly the Microsoft's entire point of having them and being able to pin folders, apps, etc was to declutter the desktop. They seem to be backtracking from that to a degree, I believe you can still pin/favourite apps I'm not sure about folders and such yet I haven't took the time to take Windows 11 for a proper spin yet.
I completely agree with you though I frequently use the features you listed off as well.
@@theosexpertdaymon2774 ah yes that’s the name of it. From what I’ve seen I haven’t noticed any support for folders. It will severely balloon the size of my menu without it. Also the location above is not as ideal as off to the side.
I’m using computers all day everyday. I’ve found the best thing is to keep almost all settings and personalisation default so when you switch to another machine it’s not that different. When I connect remotely to machine I have RDC full screen anyway and use my second monitor to do anything else.
same
Agree with the task bar comment. Until I can have this at the top I won't be upgrading (also remote into other pcs so have the local taskbar auto hiding at the top)
The keyboard shortcut for Windows snapping was always there. I think since Windows 8. Every reviewer on TH-cam is surprised like they never had this feature. Although, amazing video, and good to know from a Mac fanboy to come and appreciate the Windows Platform. Cheers! Liked!
This guy: "Why has nobody done this before"
Linux which has this feature for ages: ._.
I'm using gentoo and my desktop environment if choice does not have this feature and this whole sentence shows you why Linux is not accounted for.
Linux: don't copy and paste bro
Windows: okay
Just switched fully to Pop_OS roughly two weeks ago and I'll never be going back
@@kevcreations5861 good luck setting up printers on Linux😁
@@88sirajbsiyad88 I have a school assignment on autistic children can I interview you?
16:48 macOS actually has this, but for some reason it's only in Photos
iOS used to have it too. I think that devs didn’t adopt it well.
@@ChaseCarrington iOS still has it, but so far I’ve seen only Darkroom using it
I just want the Taskbar to re-add the file hover functionality, so if you're moving something from the desktop you can drag it to the file explorer or chrome (for uploading something) and it remaximizes the program so you can continue dragging to wherever you need to put it. They removed it in 11 and I don't know why...
I miss being able to shift click taskbar icons like chrome to open a new window
They also removed the Taskbar right click menu and icon labels. Windows 11 cuts too features for many people
@@daltonbroderson6529 This too! I used to like right clicking the taskbar to open taskmanager, can still use CTRL +SHIFT+ESC but I’d rather not
What? What the hell Microsoft? Why would they do that for the sake of doing it
@@JustA.Person because Microsoft doesn't give a shit about pc users
19:31 "I can like that tweet"
me: you on teams not twitter 🤣
that shows he is a lot on twiiter than instagram or any other social media. 😄
Tweamtter.
I just bought my first macbook (2020 macbook air with the M1 chip). I've watched lots of mac reviews and lots of "windows users tries mac for 3 months" videos. But i really wanted to see a Mac users POV using windows 11 and this video was exactly what i was looking for. Thanks for sharing!
23:00 Speaking about animations for snapping. I still have them just fine on Windows 10. Running 21H1 too.. Also, Win Key + Shift + Arrow Keys will let you easily swap what monitor an app is on for multi-display systems.
the hotkey is so important. I love it!
Disabling snapping is near the top of my list of things to do when installing a fresh version of Windows.
23:02 - I know this video is mainly directed at MacOS users, but this window snapping feature in Win11 works precisely the same as it does in Win10 (hotkeys and all), except that the window size previews are now much more opaque.
not sure if he noticed this
but the windows snapping feature got a huge upgrade for those with dockable laptop setups
whenever you unplug your monitors, windows will usually screw up where you put your windows.
windows 11 can now group windows (if you snapped them to the whole screen)
so when you unplug displays, windows remembers what layout it was if you plug them back in.
@@TheHammerGuy94 That's a very nice change!
Very true, but that extra opaqueness actually makes it a lot easier to use.
@@Hempage Quite true! It's hard to see on Windows 10 unless you've got your monitor's brightness set to 100%.
@@ISKLEMMI I also have dual 34" ultrawide monitors, and that makes it MUCH harder to tell. Overall, Windows 11's UI has been a big improvement for me. Though it has killed the battery life on my laptop.
I think it's the "it needs more time in the oven" that people are having the problem with
Never update to a new OS in the first six months. I try to wait a year. Y'all can be early testers if you want.
Where was this energy when Apple didn’t bother to upscale the iOS UI properly for the new IPad mini?
@@filiperocha4025 Apple users tend to be pretty blind to their problems. It's annoying because it allows Apple to get away with all sorts of crap.
It kinda has me worried because windows 10 needed more time in the oven when it launched, and it has had quite a lot of time int the oven by now, but i guess microsoft just forgot to turn the heat on and instead put more ingredients in it.
@@filiperocha4025 i own the new mini. what’s wrong with the UI? I haven’t had any issues with it
Some of what you say is new in 11 is very much a thing in W10. Also, the "optimism" that a redesigned app like Store will improve in the future seemingly comes with every new version.
I'm one of the four people who liked Windows 8.1 better than 10 (I only upgraded for compatibility's sake) and will not upgrade to 11, just like I didn't update to Big Sur because both don't feature enough positive changes to make me put up with all the changes I dislike.
"It's time for another time-lapse in Super-Fast Build Mode!"
Welcome to the wonderful worlds of macs and windows
Unexpected Hermitcraft
Apple fans are not like the other platform fans that always try hate on other platforms
I'm so happy that Quinn is regrowing his magnificient beard
@Graxxor Anandro Vidhelssen as much as I love him, I have to agree with you on that 😭
@Joe Nah, he makes me think of Santa Claus actually.
It's a thing of beauty. He has more hair on his chin than I do on my head!
“A little underbaked” sums up the entirety of windows.
You speak as if no version of macOS has released as a buggy mess that broke existing programs or slowed down my Mac.... 🤨
doesn’t macOS have some extensions in the photos app? or does that just redirects you to another app, like iOS does?
Yup, I was shouting at my screen because macOS’ Photos have had exactly this kind of extensions for years.
Mac OS has had this same extension system for so long, and it’s good! They should promote it more I guess if Quinn doesn’t know about it.
Yeah, that had me scratching my head.
The photos app has these extensions already. I use them with apps like Afinity photo and after light. As Quinn says, it is awsome but Macs already have it.
Also, IOS extensions do not all redirect you. Afterlight doesn’t for example.
Even iOS has it. Windows 11 is pretty much Microsoft’s attempt to be more Mac - like.
on macos u have move ur photo from Finder to Photos app to edit, thats crappy UX
I like how you equally compliment and disparage all operating systems. It's credible and refreshing. One feature I hear is good is how Win11 remembers which monitor your apps are on after you turn them off or disconnect (e.g. for multi-monitor and docked setups). I haven't used Win11 yet, but I'm interested to see this.
Almost 100% windows 10 also does this, been a windows 10 dual monitor user for years
@@dreamsnicer Nope, Windows 11 is much better imo. If I have an app on my left monitor, but the monitor turns off. the app goes to my right monitor (like win 10) but unlike win10 when that monitor comes back on, the apps move back to said monitor. very neat feature
@@DrShockz This has been a source of frustration to me with win10. I've my TV connected to my PC and when I turn it on, or conversely off, windows just seem to end up wherever they want. Also buggy HDMI handshake makes my windows rearrange sometimes, I hope win11 handles this better.
@@SaltyMaud Yep, and it's out now. I recommend you get it!
@@DrShockz I will! Rebuilding my PC with 12700kf upgrade today and installing win11 while I'm at it.
The 12 year old phrases are making my day:
"Blows Chunks"
"Sucks Rocks"
Thanks Quinn 😂
16:55 The macOS Photos app has supported third party editing extensions for years Quinn
Yep, since 2015. I don't know how he was not aware of that.
As a long time windows user... as long as windows 11 isn't a performance hit, I only see windows 11 as a good thing other than the fact that microsoft lied to us about windows 10 being the last windows lol. My main issue with it is that it seems like an obvious ploy to make perfectly usable hardware "obsolete". only 8th gen or newer intel chips, ryzen 2 or newer, tpm 2.0, secure boot. Like, I could understand recommending those things for the optimal experience, and even a warning during install that you might not get as stable or secure of an experience if you go with it anyway, but forcing people to use hacky workarounds to install windows 11 if they want to, just for windows 11 to run just as well as any other computer is ridiculous. I mean how the heck is a dual core processor, and 4 gb of ram a real requirement for windows, when processors completely capable of all that and more are available, but I can't install windows because muh no TPM or secure boot. Ridiculous.
i fully disagree. update just to update is garbage, i finally remembered where the goddam buttons are now they need to move them?! and the hardware requirements are to software implement hardware security. like a lock on a door, they cant turn keys if the lock isnt there.
@TheGoat I agree it's all for the name of security no matter the performance hit on older hardware (as there is a feature that is on 8th gen intel and ryzen 2 and newer but of course forgot what it's called. All I know is it has to do with handling security I'll update this comment with the tech. But it takes a 10 to 15% performance hit on the processor to emulate it (at least according to linus tech tips still have to do further research to confirm or deny the claims) and yes this isn't sarcasm I'm being 100% honest here.
A self-proclaimed Mac fanboy would definitely think that everything in Windows 11 is better than 10. Not saying that as an insult either, it's just that us long time Windows users are kind of stuck in our ways and W11 is largely a fresh coat of paint more than it is a foundational change. Like how High Sierra brought a new file system, Catalina introduced the Endpoint Security Framework, Big Sur deprecated kernel extensions... there are not any of those kind of foundational changes in W11, unless you count the TPM requirement which is certainly a divisive topic. I have zero desire to move to W11 just to get superficial changes.
Go to linux then :D way better and respects your freedom to do what you want (you can even make it act like any windows version you want btw forgot to mention that this is an edit)
The reality is Windows needs to have absolutely absurd levels of backwards compatibility that most Mac users couldn't even comprehend. To me, this limits the amount of fundamental change Microsoft is capable of doing without messing with millions of users in a significant way
Imo this is okay, there's some decisions I like, like with the TPM and VBS requirement to ensure all prebuilts grandma will use will be significantly more secure than before
I think it's okay Windows moves towards a focus on quality of life, cohesiveness, and a couple of new features. Windows is mature in its functionality. It just needs to be as polished as possible
@@automata. if u want security linux is just better and for the granma's (as you put it) there are plenty of just works distro's to choose a simple workflow wich is way more secure why debate about the trash spyware that is windows?
@@bored_god_slayer agreed. Even if privacy or security is not your main concern, I feel that Linux interface is far ahead compared to Mac or windows, and there is no debating that. Features that kde and gnome had 20 years ago are now being implemented in crapple and curtains, if I'm paying money for that, I expect value in return. The only feature that windows has is that other losers are on it, which forces real users and developers to spend more time developing for them.
@@bored_god_slayer linux app/game support still sucks compared to windows even mac , dealing with wine is a pain in the butt, also making linux actually look/function how you'd like it takes some effort which a lot of people aren't willing to do/can't.
Start menu sucks when compared to the Windows 10 menu. There's no way to organize pinned icons to groups or folders you have app in groups.
I have groups for coding, 3D graphics, animation, games etc. and that way I know exactly where what apps are. In W11 menu that's gone. I can pin apps to favorites but then they are mixed with other apps. So only way to have icons organized is to pin them to the desktop which I hate. I like my desktop clean only containing files that I'm currently working with.
Rest of the changes are okay-ish. But they also made changing of web browser painful so that's sucks and W11 is cutting performance of Ryzen CPU so that sucks as well.
As a university researcher who uses multiple analytical tool and software, I feel your pain... I home they re-add the things they remove in w11 or consider adding them back in w12.
I type to search all apps all the time. So ai don’t have this issue
Ryzen performance issue is fixed with a Windows patch today
Do you mean pin to taskbar?
@@_reZ No... taskbar is only for open apps... not other damn apps belong there
windows 11 is like vista all over again
looks like Mac OS
I agree with you on almost everything here. Just to let you know though, WIndows 10 also had the window alignment hotkeys for movement up, down, left, and right, and it was also able to minimize and reopen windows. There haven't really been many changes to that in windows 11 except the ability to snap to the top half of the screen or use 3 windows at a time. Windows 11 is awesome though and I love using it.
@@greggoog7559 🤣😂 omg this is amazing
@@greggoog7559 not sure if you noticed but this pfp was actually taken by accident in a zoom meeting where I was trying the zoom filters out while also using snap camera on windows.
I’ve never used win+arrow keys because I thought that it didn’t make sense, and just took too much time, but they’ll probably add it in a future update
@@SeanyKrabs interesting take on this. I personally find them much faster and snappier than using my mouse to resize the windows, but that could be because I use multiple displays so snapping from the sides is messy.
That was or might be the best video I’ve seen covering windows from a Mac user.
I've found that I prefer the taskbar in the middle. What I really don't like is constantly needing to click "show more options" every time I right click on something.
why do you need to constantly go into 'show more options'? Those are less used/common items in there. All your cut/copy/paste and common tasks are on that first right click menu.
@@riseabove3082 because I do more than cut copy paste
@@riseabove3082 Opening Git Bash, Windows Terminal, editing with Notepad++ or some other editor. Using third party software like WinRAR. Plenty of reasons that make the current setup annoying.
Would be a far better option to have the ability to choose what you have in the context menu but in typical MS fashion its half baked and only acts to push new sales instead of offering meaningful improvements. They didn’t even optimize the performance issues to AMD processors before official release.
Even search in settings is terrible. Windows 11 can’t find “language” but it is right there.
7:40 These panels also exist in KDE interface xD I think everybody just found a sorta "standard", and Microsoft rushed it in turn xD
Always good to hear a perspective from a Mac person. But, the reasons you love W11 are the reasons many Windows users dislike it. Windows users like to customize, and Microsoft has, for the time being, taken a lot of it away. We like to dig down into the innards. We also don't like the attempt at creating the walled garden. Of course, Mac users are used to that, but Windows users like choice. I'm thinking that W11 was designed by Mac users. The people who hate both macs and Windows will stick with Linux and their 100+ distros.
Visually I can appreciate the upgrade - but functionally I don't like having options forced on me. Small example - the location of the "dock" and menu bar. FFS - let me put it where I want (i.e. vertically on my far left monitor). May seem dumb, but until I have the freedom to choose where and how my menu bar looks, I won't upgrade.
@@s4nari it’s not dumb, I also use my taskbar on my far left monitor and it’s hidden unless i move my cursor over. It’s just quicker to access compared to dragging the mouse all the way to the bottom
Imo, windows has for a long time been between 2 great visions for computers. Windows 10/8 were not looking great, and it’s not something we could really change. We could try to fix the UI with 3rd party softwares, but it was buggy and poorly optimized. Windows is designed for standard users who can’t and don’t want to customize the OS. I’m glad windows 11 chose to stay away from the state where it’s not pretty by default but too complex to be changed
@@nasseralkhelaifi1853 IMO, the great Windows were 98, 2000, XP, 7, and 10. 11 Is too new to make a judgement call.
Exactly.
I don’t get how just adding another UI layer to everything makes everything better though. I still often need to use functions that aren’t in the windows 11 right-click menus, so I end up having to click into the windows 10 menus, which still look old and clashy and take up more room on screen
Can you give an example? Are you talking about app stuff like "add to Winzip archive" or similar? And what do you mean the old menus take up more space? On my setup, the old menus are narrower and have smaller fonts. Of course they are longer because they have more items on them. The new menus take up more space per menu item (maybe that's what you meant, sorry).
Yeah this is my biggest pet peeve. I use 7-zip on the daily and now it's more clicks.
The new version of winero tweaker has a toggle that allows you to disable the new context menus and open straight into the old ones
Keep in mind, that's just a temp legacy feature until apps update to support the new menu (there's already some apps like NanaZip, a fork of 7-zip, that supports the new menu now). Almost all official functions are already in the new menu, the Show more options is gonna disappear eventually.
All the things he loved are the things I just want to disable
This is unironically the best windows 11 review/overview I've seen yet
I've found pc users have wildly miscovered this update
Photo editing extensions in the apple photos app have been a thing for years and years, Quinn. I’m pretty sure that’s where Microsoft got the idea.
I think it was introduced in High sierra, after apple killed their own printing service.
I don't think they were good enough though, so he never mentioned them. On the other hand, w11 has things like Adobe extensions which looks great
Mac does tell you on the camera or microphone with a colored dot next to the control center icon, kinda like iOS.
Wow, I actually prefer a lot of design decisions here compared to MacOS.. didn’t think that was ever going to happen 😅
And FINALLY a good Settings app..
i think windows is really trying, because they know many people lost faith in them since vista and 8. the reason why 10 - 11 were free upgrades is because ms is still recovering from vista and 8.
“I have experience with Windows from Windows 8 going on” - Quinn
“I was born into Windows 95, I was moulded by Windows 98…Windows XP answers to me, I am its master” - Bane
😂😂😂
3.1 hero here
Switched to Linux around a year ago and haven't looked back since. I'm now running Arch + KDE Plasma + window tiling. The biggest surprise was realizing how Windows restricts you and shoves things down your throat. With Windows 11 it's only worse with the taskbar now not relocatable, among other things. You should be able to create the workflow that works best for you. User choice shouldn't be taken for granted.
Linux is disaster of an OS. It's very difficult to use and the community is full of cancer. I will touch any Linux distro again. Windows gives you everything you need. I can do whatever I like on windows and its not restricted
@@obvinpro 1. No, Linux is not a disaster. Over 90% of servers and IoT devices, and all Android phones run some form of Linux. (Yes, I know Android has a different user space.) For the desktop, it's constantly evolving and improving, and at this point in time most users never NEED to use the terminal. Some still may, because it is the more efficient way to do some tasks. 2. No, the community is not full of cancer. Yes, there are elitists, like there are in any community. The large majority of us, myself included, are willing to help new users. 3. The best advice I have for switching is that Linux isn't Windows. You shouldn't expect it to be and then throw your hands in the air. 4. Try changing your desktop environment or window manager on Windows. You can't, because Microsoft locks you in to Explorer and DWM. Try changing your theme. You can't, without super broken convolution methods. Try getting read-write access to the entire file system in order to do more level customization. You can't, without super broken convoluted methods.
On Linux, you can literally modify and compile your own kernel.
This is the type of user choice and freedom I am talking about. You might not care about these types of things, but many do. I'm not even going to get into the horrible privacy and security of Windows, or how Microsoft literally just released a package manager after over 20 years.
@@obvinpro it is actually very easy to use, if you are not r***rded.
I stumbled across your channel tonight as of TH-cam's suggestion for this video. As an IT professional going on almost 30 years and Windows/Linux user by trade and hobby, I'd like to thank you for your objective point of view. I find this refreshing. Why, it's almost like it's safe for people to prefer operating systems based on personal need and tastes! Go figure!
Thank you for one of the best Windows 11 videos I've seen thus far. I now plan to check your channel as part of my regular tech viewing. Who knows? I might learn a thing or two about Mac! I haven't used Apple since the IIc and IIgs ;)
They had a chance to rewrite everything instead of relying on code that hasn't changed since Windows 95. They didn't. It's just a new coat of paint on a retro OS.
More accurate would be since XP and 7/Vista, Windows 95 is s totally different OS at the core, being DOS-based rather than NT. But yeah some remenants exist.
The reason, besides MS focusing on layering the modern stuff on top of the ancient 7-based core since Win 8, is backwards compatibility. Unlike Linux which uses containers and just changes itself radically every fee years, Windows can't even let you make a folder called con so that there's compatibility with DOS printing. For compatibility to break the OS would practically no longer be Windows.
@@roundduckkira While true for the kernel, I was mostly referring to the other parts of the OS that still share the same code. This even includes some of the UI elements you can find deep in the menus.
Working as a dev for 4 years my views have changed on this issue. I think people underestimate a battle tested, extensively bug tested software, which has had major improvemnts even if certain parts or even the core is old.
@@preetham4948 Working 15 years as a dev, I've realized that code-rot really exists. Something being old and tested doesn't mean it is automatically good. It may all come crumbling down at any new variable in the overall system. Also, having talked to Microsoft engineers, they've told that many parts of the OS are from the 90's and so badly documented and written that people are not willing or allowed to touch them as it would most likely break too many connected things.
@ I think code rot and battle-tested can happen, tho I'm the least experienced and merely just got a software development degree. Just depends on design, path of development, and developers. On one hand, a lot of GNU code in Linux date back to pre-95 times, shellshock was a bug that dated from the early days of Bash. Despite a lot of bugs like thst though, since the code scope is so constrained per program, they do tend to be fast and slick and not suffer from much cruft, besides probably Bash considering shellshock. To this day a GNU program is faster and has more features, as much as thst leads to criticism, than an equivilent Unix-like tool from BSD or wherever.
On the other hand, Windows has changed so much but the changles were piled on something so old and the developers did it in such a sloppy fashion that it leads to Windows being clunky.
To be fair though Windows is doing pretty good for such a thing tho, ot could've been like Bethesda's Creative Engine wnere the core, Gamebryo, ends up being way more than clunky and leads to horrible performance and bugs.
The visual improvements look a lot like my Linux Gnome desktop. I'd love to see a review of Manjaro Gnome compared to Windows and Mac because the new Windows looks like they took a lot of what's in Linux and called it their own.
Yea sure, because Linux Gnome is SUCH a popular OS.. smh
@@pictzone Yeah, it is.
@@perdomot Looks more like a PopOS to me than the standard Gnome but it's pretty close
I have gnome and definitelly would say that it's more like KDE than gnome(overally).
@@darukutsu the quick settings menu is definitely gnomelike though (connections, bluetooth, etc.)
Based on your review, I love how they keep the professional settings' layout.
I mean prople who go to network setting is definitely not the basic users.
every single basic user goes to network settings at least once, because every single user has experienced a network shortage and they have to see if it's their router or the ISP.
@@grproteus not every single user knows network settings even exist. We're in a bubble, having videos like Quinn's recommended to us on TH-cam. Many people don't know how to do basic stuff like create new user accounts, let alone fund the advanced network settings. This is obviously the extremely misguided ethos behind the "simplification" of Windows 11 (and why "simplification" is now a euphemism for "we depreciated a feature customization feature that you used to take advantage of to save yourself time, to save us some dev time, because our money is more important than our software being versatile)".
@@awesomeferret .... I offered a proof for my statement: every single user has dealt with loss of network, hence they know settings exist. If you want to refute that proof, go ahead.
On the other hand, feel free to believe whatever you want, no worries.
@@grproteus you're being incredibly strange, just be aware of that. I live in a multi generational household with someone who recently got their first cellular phone of any kind. There are people out there that have to be taught just to login and log out, let alone even connect to their own wifi network. If you don't regard this as fact, you are in a bubble (although I don't see how that's possible, hence why you come across so strangely). You know full well you didn't offer proof of your statement to (and neither did I). Maybe I'm taking the word "proof" too literally, but you made an objectively opinionated comment that my own side gig of helping seniors use computers arguably defies and you claimed that was "proof". Are you intentionally insulting your own intelligence and I've fallen for a troll or do you maybe not know what the word "proof" means?
@@awesomeferret is it rude, or is it strange?
There there, I hope I didn't hurt anyone's feelings when I said that every basic user has seen the network dialog. I also hope I didn't sound too strange.
Most of the things you said windows 11 does, windows 10 does exactly the same way. Especially regarding window management. Use windows 10 sometime, you'll be amazed at how stale w11 feels.
Well, Win 11 is just Win 10 with a knock off MacOS GUI
then whats the problem with win 11
Huh. This is such a dumb statement. 11 is improved version of 10 in many ways.
@@Ace21kg It's not. Win 11 is little more than a bad GUI update, feature strip, scheduler update, and inclusion of even more asinine and intrusive adware.
It's also a step backwards in performance in high performance applications.
@@Ace21kg if, by improved, you mean the awful right click menu "upgrade" and the inability to position the taskbar, yes, win 11 is vastly improved.
I don't get why some people feel they have to defend an awful corporation that pushed out a half-baked update. Don't you learn from Vista and Windows 8?
Great review! I watch a lot of Linux distro reviews, and I wish even one of the channels did reviews as good as you.
Most Windows fanboys (Like me) hate on W11 because we *like* pretty everything about W10 that was changed (I prefer sharp corners for example, and I don't want my desktop to have similar UI to my phone)
But I like enough of the features of W11 to switch.... except for the privacy stuff, demand for a Microsoft account, and the Apple-Wannabe UI
Thus I don't think I'll be upgrading
Thanks for the video. Basically most of the stuff that you found new I already do in Windows 10, and the actual new stuff are things that I don't particularly care for, so this video helped me in determining that Windows 11 isn't worth the upgrade for me.
I'm with you. I'm certainly not doing it yet. They got rid of a few things that I use a lot in Windows 10. For example, swiping from the left opens up the Task View, and you can just tap whichever open window you want to bring to the front. That same swipe gesture in Windows 11 opens up that stupid Widgets panel.
Sure, Windows 11 has a lot of redeeming features compared to Windows 10 (a lot of them I like), but for me the cons outweigh the pros, so for the time being I'm sticking with Windows 10.
Someone from Microsoft should see this. Each and every improvement suggestion that's been made in the video is pure gold. Quinn showing top-tier product development skills!
Perhaps the only thing I'll add is faster wake up from sleep. Mac still does that better.
Maybe I'm just used to windows 10's fewer animations, but the extra animations in windows 11 make things feel slower to me. Also opening folders and files from desktop and explorer takes longer for some reason. I was using the dev build so hopefully they improve this.
I'm not 100% sure but I think you can disable at least some animations through the accessibility settings.
yes u can disable every single animations if you want
there is animation that windows 11 removed
and I hate that they removed it...
it's the vDesktops switching animation
I use it quite a lot, even in windows 10.
and I'm happy it got an upgrade
but I need to know which desktop I am in, and I need to be sure my windows didnt lag.
so I kindof needed that animation
which unfortunately has no settings for those whatsoever.
Cool I'll try disabling animations. My only other complaints are no small task bar and no battery power usage menu in the task bar, but those features are small enough that I can live without them
Animations are good for us. They help curb ADD and slow things down a bit to relieve stress.
I remember watching this video when it came out and rewatching it now, for some reason I remembered you being more critical of Windows 11. As a fellow Mac user I also love Windows 11 and agree with most of your points except I disagree about Vista/7 Aero being bad (I love Aero and Windows 7 is still my favorite version of Windows) and about the centered taskbar (centered makes so much more sense, I hate having it left-aligned).
It seems Mac users are the most happy with the new version of Windows (myself included). Great comment; I agree 100%. Windows power-users generally like to nerd out on options and waste time setting up their OS. We typically hate that crap.
Many thanks for the excellent video, Quinn! I'm a recent Mac user for my personal use, but at work all the computers have been upgraded to Windows 11, so this video will come in handy. 😃
Settings is straight out of KDE 5
(edit: The whole OS is just worse, less configurable KDE5 -- That being said, great review!)
Agree with you there, we just need more application support for Linux!
@@mapguy it was said to be impossible for linux to play even 30% of your games,now its 90%+ and the incompatibilities are dropping by alot (and with anticheat,its only going to get alot better).
linux even now has gaming features windows doesnt have (like FSR for all games that doesnt add input lag,or custom kernels for free perfromance)
for some apps,it may take awhile,but it can come.
BigChungus is a neat PC name.
Quinn: setting in the Settings App
Me: pin control panel on taskbar on day 1
his system is called "BigChungus"
just had to mention that
I was a long-time Windows user, then I favoured OS X over that, then I started my Linux journey… It was as easy to use as Windows or OS X when I stayed with distributions that were made for people who are used to Windows or OS X and therefore did not add that much more value to me. But diving more and more behind the restricting user-friendly boundaries revealed a new world of productivity and power a normal OS X user probably will never experience, and the same goes for the Windows users.
Ironically, it took me years to figure out, that using a mouse is the biggest productivity killer one can experience with personal computers! Using a window manager like i3WM - investing some time to fine tune key bindings, setup, update and adapt configurations - made me do literally everything just with my keyboard. My productivity just skyrocketed, and I want to use this comment here to thank all these great personalities that contributed to open-source software! You are and always will be my heroes of the modern world! Thank you, thank you and thank you!
That’s nice review! Thank you from another Mac fan boy :)
"Blowing chunks" and "sucking rocks" lol. Enjoyed the review, keep it up!
Superfast build mode 🤩
Came to the comments to see if someone else noticed
@@bergermaestro same
@@TheTechMadeSimple same
9:54 Windows10's search bar CAN do stuff like that lmao
Except it often takes a very noticeable amount of time to do so, sometimes actually doesn't find anthing and just bing searches it despite it working normally, and other times it flat out fails. If you've never noticed this before, lucky you! This happens to random computers and no one knows why.
spent 5 minutes just laughing at how good the thumbnail is... haha man great content!!!!! XXDDD