Bottlegate 2: The Forgotten Sequel
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On December 17, 2001, one day after the infamous Bottlegate incident between the Jacksonville Jaguars and the Cleveland Browns, it happened again. At a Monday Night Football game between the Saints and the Rams, roughly 24 hours later, we got Bottlegate 2. This is the story, and the video footage, behind that - กีฬา
"This would be the last time a blown pass interference call in the Super Dome would benefit the Rams and hurt the Saints. Never happened again." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He was so wrong for that 😂😂
On abc
Are you kidding that it never happened again? What about the Rams going into overtime on a ignored flagrant PI against the Saints that sent the Rams to a overtime win they should have never had and on to face the Pats in the SB? It was a PI NOT called.
@@eleventy-seven Yea, get after him bud. You should definitely spam him about it.
@@eleventy-seven Dude, that's exactly the incident the joke was about. It was sarcasm.
Browns got screwed on Bottlegate 1. Don't care if the refs were having communication issues. If they let the Browns start the next play (the spike) then they lost the opportunity to review the play. The game is there for the players and the fans, not the refs.
I agree 100%. Doesn't matter if the refs couldn't communicate. Once the next play starts, that's it. The cheating refs deserve what they got.
@@jimroscovius
Why can they call a incomplete pass a catch but they can’t decide to review that catch?
@@giantsr1eva because the rules in all of NFL forever is once the next play is run, that's it, whatever the call on the field is stands and there is no going back. No one said they couldn't review it, they failed to do so and came up with bullshit reasons why they failed to do so and consciously made a decision to ignore a very well known rule. They placed a new spot for the ball and blew the whistle for them to run a new play, once that ball is snapped on the new play, whatever happened previously is over. There is no arguing that, that's how the game is played. It's still played that way today and I guarantee you will never see this happen again because of this day.
@@CulperCast
Mike Pereira said that if you tried to replay the replay buzz, there would be no visual evidence to support it. According to that explanation, if the replay buzzed prior to the snap, then the previous play could be reviewed. If it was a legal review, it’s obvious that Quincy Morgan dropped the ball.
Nobody screws the Browns more than their front office. It's not like the Browns were contenders and bottlegate just destroyed their hopes. Lol.
MNF in Week 1 of that year saved lives. With it being so late, some people in New York overslept their alarms and didn't work up for work in the WTC on 9/11
I remember that game. Ed McCaffery broke his cankle that game which made the game even longer.
@@cjfernandez9089Broke his cankle is a hilarious typo.
Malice in the Palace was an amazing sports moment tbh
Yep I must agree the malice was amazing but also helped shape the nba into what it is now.
imagine being there
@@elisefincher4478
Not sure if that’s a good or bad thing. lol
@@yopappy6599 definately not a good thing.
Define amazing
You may also want to consider that prior to this game, Saints WR, Albert Connell, was accused of stealing $4,000 out of the locker room from teammate, RB, Deuce McCallister. Connell would never play in the NFL again after signing a five-year, $13 million contract that included a $2.5 million signing bonus prior to the 2001 season. Imagine the distraction of the incident, especially of a highly paid player from the team. The Saints as a team wasn't focused because of the distraction and that blown call by the official in this game compounded the situation on Monday Night Football.
Ironically this was also the final time these teams played as division rivals
The break up of the AFC central division. Browns to the AFC north and Jaguars to the AFC south
Thank goodness for that. The Saints and the Jaguars needed to be in more geographically appropriate divisions.
Official JaguarGator: "Fingers crossed when fans are allowed back into stadiums, we don't see too many more"
Tennessee fans: Throw my beer
Throw my mustard and golf balls.
Throw my everything!
Or simply flash forward to the 2015 ALDS in Toronto during the 7th inning between the Jays and the Rangers
One notable exception for MNF's starting time on ABC was in 1998 when they pushed it up to 8PM Eastern because they were getting beaten so badly in the ratings by WWE Raw and WCW Nitro.
Cris Collinsworth showed a video of the official who said his caller was malfunctioning just before the snap of the ball showed him pick up his caller & looked at it, he just did not stop the play, then said oh yeah it malfunctioned. The Ref knew he had no right to do what he did. (Bottlegate.) so he had to lie.
I completely forgot about this one
it wasn't as bad as Cleveland, but considering it happened right after Cleveland, it was pretty bad
Thanks for uploading this. I'm a huge Saints fan, and I've been looking for footage from this game for years!
The Saints should have played the video of Sam Wyche saying, “You don’t live in Cleveland”
When you can't come up with a creative name for a problem, call it a "Gate"
Yup. That actually may be the most annoying thing to come out of the Watergate scandal. I wonder how many people today know that Watergate was the name of the building and that the scandal itself had nothing to do with water.
I’m so happy to see this comment thread. “Gate” is not a suffix dammit! I assume one person after Watergate did a parody of it because journalists back then actually tried but people seen it and a bad idea was born.
Teapot Super-Dome Scandal?
I came accross this channel a couple of weeks ago, and since then I've watched most of the videdos. I like this channel a lot. I would say I'm a "typically knowledeable" NFL fan who knows a lot of the history of the sport - yet, I've found an awful lot of stories here I've either never heard of before, or just knew it existed, but sweet little on the details level. Fantastic stuff. Thank you, and keep it coming.
Your videos are really good man. Keep up the good work
0:34 the refs were NOT trying to review the last play. If they were, the whistle would have been blown and they wouldn't have continued play. The fact is the NFL and its terrible officials STOLE this from the Browns. As soon as they snapped the ball, that previous play should have been over. They got a call from NY saying to review it, but they got the call AFTER the ball was snapped. The NFL doesn't always follow it's own rules, and most of its current rules are opinions (taunting, excessive celebration, etc). It is a way for them to control the outcome without it seeming too obvious. But this situation with the Browns was a blatant disregard for the rules.
And it wasn't a simple 2 kneel downs to end the game. The refs ended it with 48 seconds to go (because they were scared for their safety), everyone went back into the locker room and undressed. Then NY called again and made everyone finish the game officially, so they all went BACK out to the field with the angry fans and the Jags kneeled.
@lalreadyhaveaname2
The referees overruled the spike play so that they could go back 1 play to review the incomplete pass. Quincy Morgan clearly dropped the ball which means that the pass is incomplete. The replay booth buzzed prior to the snap, so it was a legal review. The Browns could have drafted Donavan McNabb or claimed Kurt Warner of off the Rams.
@@giantsr1eva
Whether replay was buzzed prior to snap is irrelevant; the buzzer doesn't stop play, the whistle does. The whistle didn't blow until after the Browns ran another play. The review was illegal.
@@redpillfreedom6692
Did you forget that we had this same debate 8 months ago on a different video? I thought that we had moved on. You still think I’m ignorant about the play, and I still think that you are capable of letting this go.
@@giantsr1eva
Well the fact that you're still making the same retarded claims shows you have learned nothing.
@@redpillfreedom6692
I’ve clearly learned that there is no clear rule book. It seems like that they can just make up whatever rules that they want.
This one was worse on the fans part, blown calls happen. *What happened in Cleveland was absolutely disgraceful by the officials; all of them should've been fired and the league should've formally apologized to Cleveland and all NFL fans.* Not condoning what the fans did, but it pales in comparison to the black eye that those officials left on the league. Disclaimer I'm a Vikings fan, not a fan of any of the teams involved here.
You literally condoned what the fans did via the first half of the comment.
@@kyletucker3811 No I "literally" did not. Condemning the actions of one side doesn't automatically justify the actions of the other.
@@fearless1024
I mean calling an incomplete pass as a completed pass should not have all of them fired.
Presuming the show could've ever made a comeback for ESPN, I would've liked to have seen a Top 5 Reasons You Can't Blame on this incident.
Browns front office doesn't get upset over their fans throwing bottles on the field...
I guess Sam Wyche was right when talking over the P.A. against the Seahawks.
Love you from Reddit! I was actually at this game. Best Saints game I went to as a young child 😂
In the 1980s, Cleveland’s Dawg Pound would throw objects onto the field every week. Items often included Milk Bones and batteries.
Milk Bones? Funny! 🐕
Let's be honest here- the REAL issue is that people got drunk on LITE beer......
Thank you for making this video. So few people remember the second game. I watched both games as a 12-year old with my uncle and I remember after the second incident I was like "well, I guess this is the thing now, huh." The difference here is that the PI call was questionable and probably a bad overall call, but nothing outrageous compared to what happens in other games. What happened in Cleveland was a complete unmitigated disaster from the officiating team.
It's amazing to see how MNF now is basically the bottom feeder national game of the entire week. Back then, it was easily the biggest game of the week and we'd stay up that late to watch it.
Who cares... this was extremely lack luster.
@@tiderbean not nearly as lackluster as your comment 2 years later that completely lacks any substance.
Can't imagine smelling that beer on the Astroturf...
If you look at the browns call they did get the call right but what I am surprised about is that the guy in the booth didn’t say oh you can’t review it because another play had gone.
Yeah cause that a nfl rule and was the first time in nfl history they went back and changed a play after another had been run it’s actually a very well known rule so the refs we’re definitely in the wrong for that
Wasn't there a .10 ¢ beer night Riot in Baseball too, different Sport but the Fans are singing the Same tune
Same city as the first one, so the NFL decided to wipe THIS game from existence, and continues to persecute Cleveland as being the only ones to do this. But I think their fans have other reasons to be made fun of anyways
The first bottlegate was completely justified
No, no it wasn't.
@@kyletucker3811 it really was
@@Shadowkiller-dq2ju
It clearly was not justified, the pass was clearly incomplete. How can calling an incomplete pass a catch perfectly okay but it’s okay to throw bottles when they review the play and call it correctly?
So much for Sept. 11 perspective.
"Like dodging bullets"? Last I checked, and I spent 22 years in the military.....u can't dodge bullet, unless ur Neo. 😂😂😂
Most fans t the time supported Bottlegates 1 and 2. It was seen as a legitimate protest against bad officiating. The type of protest we need in 2023.
I was at this game(Saints). I remember it was the same year as the Browns. Didn’t realize it was just a day after. And YES After this game they started cutting off alcohol sales in the 3rd quarter and sold the beer with the cap off. It was a horrible call no doubt and I can still see the first bottle getting chucked onto the field lol man 2001 was a CRAZY year for the Saints. Same year as the Jets game with Kyle Turley right after 9/11 also sone memorable games With the Rams and Bucs also.
Love your vids!
Poor officiating in favor of the Rams in the Superdome? You don’t say!
Funny how if this happened in Philly people would never let it go and you’d hear about it ever Sunday. Since it wasn’t you never hear about it and it’s swept under the rug.
And who would of thought the Saints would get screwed "again" in a big game in their own stadium (also against the Rams) almost 17 years later after this Monday night game took place.
7:11 into the video, he finally starts talking about the incident.
Bruh, thank you
dad was watching this game that night and I saw the bottles on the field.
I was there for this. I was in that end zone. That was scary as hell.
I remember this one I saw it live on TV! Crazy
This is a good video to watch if you are having trouble going to sleep or want to teach about speech impediments. So, kudos.
Love this series. Great work... Have you done anything on the 1984 49ers almost going unbeaten. Only a loss to Steelers after a controversial pass interference call.
Maybe we should consider the cause, and not the effect. Poor, at best, officiating. Fix that, and fans won't try to cram objects into referee's orifices.
Nah. I'm going to hold the grown ass adults who know that's not okay responsible for their actions.
I was in the Super Dome for this. It was a terrible thing. Sadly as a Saints fan, I don't think the reaction of the fans was unwarranted.
Baseball has had some incidents (2012 STL-ATL, 2015 TEX-TOR).
Great content!! Thank you!
I remember watching this live on tv. I always felt it was like a week after Cleveland… had no idea it was literally the next day wtf
After the original Bottlegate ordeal the NFL made it clear they would pick and choose who they wanted to go to the super Bowl. Ref "The whole last 20 mins didn't count because we are going back a play and break every rule we have to give the ball to who we want to"
You can’t get a beer after halftime anymore. Miss those days.
bottlegate is the refs fault...there is nothing inherent about the people of Cleveland (and im no fan of Cleveland) that makes them more or less likely to behave badly...any group of fans that cares about their team and wants to show up to a game with faith that it will be officiated fairly would do the same thing......unfortunately we live in a society that punishes those who retaliate and forgives those who case that retaliation...you have to realize that the decision to go two plays back was just as bad as the bottle, because every action has an equal opposite reaction.
So you think the “equal” reaction to a mistake is to pelt humans with glass beer bottles from hundreds of feet? That’s pathetic 🤣🤣🤣
You're right. The referees held those fans families hostage and FORCED them to throw stuff on the field. It's not a dumbass and completely unwarranted decision grown ass adults made on their own.
Bottlegate#1 glass bottles. Bottlegate#2 plastic bottles. Here We go brownies here we go. lol
The OFFICIALS reviewed the play. There are only two sports that have multiple AREFEREES: HOCKEY AND BASKETBALL
Could be worse. In Britain it was quite common for soccer hooligans to bring darts from whatever pub they got drunk at and would throw them at anything that moved...
Crikey. 😨
He was wrong when he said that this was the last time a blown pass interference call in the Super Dome would benefit the Tams and hurt the New Orlean Saints
They needed Sam Wyche to come in during that Superdome game. "YOU DON'T LIVE IN CLEVELAND!"...that moment in Cincinnati against the Seahawks, 1989.
Damn, that game in Cleveland was the worst thing that happened that week
34 for the saints is a longhorn legend.🤘
Almost forgot about the snowball gate
The Superdome’s public address announcer should have said, “You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in New Orleans.”
I think that another reason the plastic beer bottles came into use was less waste. Instead of a vendor pouring a can of beer into a cup they just handed you a plastic bottle
"This is the story of bottle Gate 2."
Me, quietly: Electric Boogaloo...
8:49 Very good. I had to think for a second...lol
If we hadn’t won a Super Bowl in 2009/10, I might not be alive today.
wait wasnt there another issue with both the Rams and Saints. i know there is an article about the 2018 championship game. its ironic.
I'm a bit shocked that once the play was reversed due to the pass not being fully caught and ruled incomplete, forcing the Browns to turnover on downs and giving the Jags the ensuing drive in the process due to that overturn, the time clock wasn't resetted back to the accurate amount of time where the spot occured, which was about 1:02 left in the game instead of 48 seconds. Either way, the Jags would still win, but it would take an extra victory formation knee to run down the clock.
what song is the middle eastern guitar/sitar used in the background throughout the vid?
That’s a custom loop I made on GarageBand
The mistake was having bottles -- they should have instead had "Throwing Star Night"...
I always bring a bottle cap for a soda or beer when I go to games.
OP cares more about bottle throwing than the bad calls, nfl sucking etc lmaooooo
Which one is worst, Bottlegate or Malice at the Palace?
The owner of the browns had a pretty chill comment. He wasn’t condoning it he was just saying how shitty it was they are lucky worse didn’t happen
Not saying people should be throwing bottles at the refs...but if the refs actually did there job correctly, I guess no one would be throwing bottles at them.
It's nice to see that the officiating of games haven't changed. But the selling of alcohol has.
First off... Nobody should throw things at fan events. I will say this for those that want to actually go and watch. You get whatever you paid for!
On the flip side. The fans were not wrong both times on this video. The NFL got Blasted in Cleveland for Bottlegate and New Orleans both for Garbage Officiating. In my mind they deserved every bottle threw there way in both games!
It goes to any live performance. Put on a bad effort and those performing it should expect to get(Edit: less or no fans and those doing it) trashed off the stage. Put on a good show and they might just get another paying fan there to see the act!
That’s why they don’t use bottles anymore
It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World
Boy, the Rams just have a history of screwing the Saints. What do you want to bet that when San Fran and the Rams play in the playoffs, the Rams will win by 30?
Baseball had long since stopped selling beer after the 7th inning. (Actually, they stop selling all food and drink, which is an annoyance to those of us who would still like something to eat.)
I usually just bring in a jumbo flask of wild turkey and get a dr. Pepper and pour it in there
And it's due to the Malice at the Palace that NBA arenas now stop selling liquor after halftime.
I remember this one.
It seems like the home team coach could have gotten a mic or a bullhorn and tried to calm things down. It might have helped.
it was the same refs in saints vs rams
POV UR THE REFS: ah shi here we go again
If these guys were so scared of plastic bottles they would have absolutely loved pre-Ruthian baseball when actual bottle dodging was just part of any pop up in foul territory and fights were routine.
If the result in this game affected the Saints for the rest of the season, then shame on them for their lack of professionalism, as they played beneath their abilities and weren't even competitive in their final 3 games. That's what I remember about the 2001 Saints, seemingly giving up on their season.
I'm surprised the saints fans didn't do this after that no PI call.
What the Creator / narrator of this video fails to mention is that the Browns already ran a play, making it AGAINST THE RULES to review the play prior... And no, the refs did not try to stop the play before the ball was spiked. They ruled it an incomplete pass. Then they tried to backtrack.
FIX THE AUDIO! I have TH-cam at 100%, PC at 100%, and headphones at 100% and it is barely what I would call "normal" valume.
Yep, totally didn’t happen again to us 🥲
Pfft.
Fool made me think there was gonna be _RAAAAAAYDUUUUUUURRRRZ_
😂
Seems like an odd time to do that with all that time left in the game.
the night of a thousand bottles.
lives up to the nickname NFL network gave it
we need a bottlegate 3
No. Just no...
Bottlegate 3: The Mustard Bowl
This is really good video for only 70 likes
Was at the game, some dude threw his binoculars
Way overblown. European soccer fans light fireworks and flares in the stands.
The ending was good
What's your favorite shade of orange?
Burnt....
Most of the bottles were plastic?
Which is better than if you did nothing but spike a bottle on every single play.
Although you’re right, the video doesn’t strongly support passenger Ference, but video that I saw only a fool would make the judgment from that video. It looks like past interference could have occurred just before the section that I saw.
If the officials had actually been doing there job, it never would've happened. Yet here we are in 2024 and the official still can't get the calls right.
I thought Bottlegate was the sequel to .10-cent beer night?