I added wfp to my service this year I explain the frames are cleaned and no soap film on the windows and so far they all say it makes sense and are amazed with the results still waiting for the First complaint
What do you tell the customer when the window isn't completely dry once you are done? Or are they ever that worried about it? Is this something you tell them up front before you start working?
Exactly I’m starting my own business and that’s why I’m spending good money on a good purifying system where my parents are telling me you just need to use the hose
Asher Richards People are getting used to water fed pole more and more. But it is also good to give the customer what they want. If they want the traditional method and they don’t mind paying a bit extra for it, then that’s fine too.😃👍🏼
I can see the thing with the hydro.. however if you take wfp seriously I think you will soon get bored lugging that lump in and out .... But if you have a decent van mount make sure you explain how much you've invested etc and customers are happy. Use a larger van and you'll be sorted Good points raised though
Brian Barber I know we love our van mounts in the uk. I have all these different bits of kit and only a small van at the moment, so the hydro-RO works for me. I’m not using it all day every day at the moment. I load up the kit I need for each day.💪🏼😃💦👍🏼
What is the consequence of not using pure water to clean windows, when traditional window cleaners have been using tap water forever, or is the problem being caused because WFP method leaves the rinse water to dry or run off the window?
When traditional window cleaners use tap water, they still go by and squeegee the windows off after. With pure water, you just scrub, rinse and go so you ca get a lot more done in a shorter amount of time.
Great video. I am looking into becoming a window cleaner as i have spent 16 years working unhappily for a company. What basic equipment would I need to start? Also is it territorial, with rounds, I don't want to step on any toes. Any advice would be great thank you.
It depends on your budget really. If you are looking at water fed pole method, you need the pole, brush, backpack, and a way to filter your water. There is loads on my channel that you might find helpful. Why not check out the playlists. I hope you find it useful.😃👍🏼
It depends on your budget really. If you are looking at water fed pole method, you need the pole, brush, backpack, and a way to filter your water. There is loads on my channel that you might find helpful. Why not check out the playlists. I hope you find it useful.😃👍🏼
Hi Ashley, I’ve done a few houses with my wfp, my water is 000. But I’m finding some Windows I do leave spotting on them. Any tips or advice. I’ve a backpack and. Gardiner SLX 22 pole
Difficult to say. Maybe you’re not rinsing enough? If it’s a first clean it’s probably more dirty and it might take a couple of good cleans to get it perfect.😉👍🏼
Hey dude, just brought a facelift Phoenix tank, all fitted and working well, having trouble with spotting, it’s only very light spotting, cleaned my windows 6 times and can get them spot less but need my pump on 50% to do this, was wondering if vision 2 is worth a try and if you have every used this product before I put it in my tank? Need to have confidence in the system before I unleash it on my customers, I use spotless water.
Im.the same in my area mate, 75% of my new jobs i get the first thing they say is "You don't use them pole things do you", puts me off Switching over in the future
Iv bin window cleaner for 18 years some of my customers hav mentioned there previous window cleaners who use to use wfp how it only took 5 min leavs spots ect im sticking with my ladders much better job no ones ever complained
I find this problem is getting rarer and rarer I probably get 1 in 500 not understanding. If you guarantee a good result and tell them if windows arent perfect you will not charge they will agree and never go back to traditional. I do get alot more people asking for pure water as they dont want people walking on their roofs and want frames cleaned
WFP is always the B option for me but to sell it I tell the customer that traditional method will leave a film of soap on their glass that they can not see and it will attract dirt again faster. It might be bullshit....? but I believe it to be true so I am not talking shit to them. When the customer here's that they are happy to have me use DI water and a WFP
Nicholas Evans I like GG4 for Trad, it really seems to make the windows sparkle which you don’t get from wfp. But I love the way wfp washes the whole window more thoroughly. 😃💦👍🏼
Some cleaners wfp the tops and trad clean the bottoms, I'm wondering if any customer ever has complained that the bottom windows have attracted the dirt more, because of a soap film left on them..... Not that I've ever heard of....
This whole debate isn't about WFP v soap& squeegee. It's about something more fundamental .... MONEY!! I guarantee that if you say £25 trad or £18 wfp the client will choose wfp. End of.
Lugging that around 20+ calls per day.. No thank you. Just do a proper job on the wfp and if you do their isn’t many customers that will have a issue, the only feedback I usually get is how shiny and new their units are cleaned that way. Any that have a issue with the wfp method need to hold onto their ageing trads and hope their still around for aslong as they are as for me those types ain’t worth being on my books
Pure water is a method that surprises those that are new to it - I have a waterfed in my truck- Yes I agree customers freak out some - The progressive customers think it’s great -
2 years on from making this video. Has your opinion changed?? I have no issue with wfp in fact I have people asking for wfp. And you can earn a lot more money wfp, and when done correctly is just as good if not better than trad.
Aqua Smart Uk Yes, it’s given me some great opportunities, and it gets dirt out of places I never got to before, I love the results wfp gets on the frames as well as the glass. People doing it badly can give it a bad name and it puts some customers off. So I think a professional image is also important.😃👍🏼
Here's the difference, WFP is not consistent, using squeegee, traditional cleaning will give 100% results, all the time , cannot say the same for WFP, it looks bad for business. Think about it , your customers could buy a WFP and do it themselves, no ladders etc .
Well my business has gone from strength to strength since I changed the majority of my round over to WFP. I make more money and enjoy a better lifestyle as a result.
No one like wfp I been window cleaning 20 years .wfp lose u work I love it but people love hand work .that's the truth really .wfp does get me work hand work does .wfp on a bungalow old people hate it.be honest hand work is a better finish wfp is good stop ladders but no one seems to like it
That's why I built up a business which is too busy to keep on top of with wfp. Was traditional for 25 years but now fully water fed. Just need to explain to customers. If they have had a bad experience then you say I will clean it don't pay me unless you are happy. Never had someone not pay me. It's the splash n dash cowboys who give us a bad name. All my customers like it and I have some who moan about their ex traditional window cleaner using dirty water and wiping a dirty cloth round their frames.
I have to say that I love the finish you get from wfp. You are always going to get a few complainers, but I think the quality of the clean is actually better if it’s carried out properly.😃👍🏼
I added wfp to my service this year I explain the frames are cleaned and no soap film on the windows and so far they all say it makes sense and are amazed with the results still waiting for the First complaint
Dave Landefeld The Window Licker Great. I hope business keeps growing for you.😃👍🏼💦
What do you tell the customer when the window isn't completely dry once you are done? Or are they ever that worried about it? Is this something you tell them up front before you start working?
Exactly I’m starting my own business and that’s why I’m spending good money on a good purifying system where my parents are telling me you just need to use the hose
😆 I wish you all the best with your business plans.😃👍🏼
Why can't you use hose
Brandon Because it’s better if I use purifying system
@@mickswagger6086 Why? Can't you use hard water if your doing trad? Just squeege and scrubber
Best to focus on intelligent customers
Asher Richards People are getting used to water fed pole more and more. But it is also good to give the customer what they want. If they want the traditional method and they don’t mind paying a bit extra for it, then that’s fine too.😃👍🏼
Thank you! Great point! It's all about customer perception.
Dutch Shine Windows I think it’s quite important to think about the image you project for your business. Thanks for your comment.💦😃👍🏼
Most my new customers say the same thing mate about wfp
They will soon complain when you are using their water and electricity, plus they have to be in. Lovely bit of kit for commercial work though.
That kind of setup is used more in the USA. We love our van systems in the UK.😃👍🏼
Hi , I’ve had costumers that tell me if you use that long brush I don’t want it. 😂
😬👎🏼
And I hav im sticking with my ladders mate
I can see the thing with the hydro.. however if you take wfp seriously I think you will soon get bored lugging that lump in and out ....
But if you have a decent van mount make sure you explain how much you've invested etc and customers are happy.
Use a larger van and you'll be sorted
Good points raised though
Brian Barber I know we love our van mounts in the uk. I have all these different bits of kit and only a small van at the moment, so the hydro-RO works for me. I’m not using it all day every day at the moment. I load up the kit I need for each day.💪🏼😃💦👍🏼
What is the consequence of not using pure water to clean windows, when traditional window cleaners have been using tap water forever, or is the problem being caused because WFP method leaves the rinse water to dry or run off the window?
There is plenty of room out there for both methods, but wfp has made a massive difference to my business.😃👍🏼
When traditional window cleaners use tap water, they still go by and squeegee the windows off after. With pure water, you just scrub, rinse and go so you ca get a lot more done in a shorter amount of time.
I think these days you have to master both wfp and trad cleaning to call yourself a true window cleaner
julian jones I think it definitely helps.😃👍🏼
Great video. I am looking into becoming a window cleaner as i have spent 16 years working unhappily for a company. What basic equipment would I need to start? Also is it territorial, with rounds, I don't want to step on any toes. Any advice would be great thank you.
It depends on your budget really. If you are looking at water fed pole method, you need the pole, brush, backpack, and a way to filter your water. There is loads on my channel that you might find helpful. Why not check out the playlists. I hope you find it useful.😃👍🏼
It depends on your budget really. If you are looking at water fed pole method, you need the pole, brush, backpack, and a way to filter your water. There is loads on my channel that you might find helpful. Why not check out the playlists. I hope you find it useful.😃👍🏼
Hi Ashley, I’ve done a few houses with my wfp, my water is 000. But I’m finding some Windows I do leave spotting on them. Any tips or advice. I’ve a backpack and. Gardiner SLX 22 pole
Difficult to say. Maybe you’re not rinsing enough? If it’s a first clean it’s probably more dirty and it might take a couple of good cleans to get it perfect.😉👍🏼
Great advice thanks Ashley. I’m only doing residential cleans. Which Gardiner brush would you recommend? Thanks
Hey dude, just brought a facelift Phoenix tank, all fitted and working well, having trouble with spotting, it’s only very light spotting, cleaned my windows 6 times and can get them spot less but need my pump on 50% to do this, was wondering if vision 2 is worth a try and if you have every used this product before I put it in my tank?
Need to have confidence in the system before I unleash it on my customers, I use spotless water.
Make sure your water is 0ppm, make sure you also wash the top of the frames and rinse thoroughly from the top.😃👍🏼
Is there any other industry where they’re is a debate over the tools used?
Both clean windows well if used skilfully
Glide Cleaning Limited The customer always bothered about how they are cleaned, as long as it is done well.😃👍🏼
All individuals will have their preferred choice of tool for their trade. They all do the same job.
Every trade
I can do nose to glass easily-
It’s all good in the hood
😎👍🏼
Great stuff! Well said!
Pure Water Window Cleaning Thanks!😃💦👍🏼
I've had bad experience with pure water system, the windows were still filthy when the guy left. I am South facing.
It’s a shame to hear that. It does such a fantastic job when carried out correctly.👍🏼
I agree with the wfp part but that gutter vac cant possibly do a good job. What about wet debris, mud or clogged downspouts? It's not happening.
Agreed.Especially houses with practically no gap between roof and gutter
Great video 👍🏻
julian pierce Hey, thanks for commenting.😃💦👍🏼
Im.the same in my area mate, 75% of my new jobs i get the first thing they say is "You don't use them pole things do you", puts me off Switching over in the future
Jonny Retro It can take a bit of time and effort to educate customers about pure water.💦😃👍🏼
Offer to do traditional at an increased cost to them and they will back off. Haha
Iv bin window cleaner for 18 years some of my customers hav mentioned there previous window cleaners who use to use wfp how it only took 5 min leavs spots ect im sticking with my ladders much better job no ones ever complained
You can get a bad WFP window cleaner, just like you can get a bad traditional window cleaner who does a bad job.🤷🏻♂️
That's a fair comment 👍
I find this problem is getting rarer and rarer I probably get 1 in 500 not understanding. If you guarantee a good result and tell them if windows arent perfect you will not charge they will agree and never go back to traditional. I do get alot more people asking for pure water as they dont want people walking on their roofs and want frames cleaned
Ricardo Carneiro I think you are right. I’m finding many customers are gradually getting more used to water fed pole too.💦😃👍🏼
You'll guys, do you clean the windows from inside the house?!
And how then with that system?! Floods, or what?!
I still use the traditional method (squeegee) for inside cleaning.👍🏼
WFP is always the B option for me but to sell it I tell the customer that traditional method will leave a film of soap on their glass that they can not see and it will attract dirt again faster. It might be bullshit....? but I believe it to be true so I am not talking shit to them. When the customer here's that they are happy to have me use DI water and a WFP
Nicholas Evans I like GG4 for Trad, it really seems to make the windows sparkle which you don’t get from wfp. But I love the way wfp washes the whole window more thoroughly. 😃💦👍🏼
Some cleaners wfp the tops and trad clean the bottoms, I'm wondering if any customer ever has complained that the bottom windows have attracted the dirt more, because of a soap film left on them..... Not that I've ever heard of....
Can you see yourself moving over to wfp?
Tom Coyle Probably not totally. But I think any quality window cleaning service these days has to have a element of both Trad and WFP.😃💦👍🏼
A.E.Mackintosh Cleaning Services agreed but I do have a soft spot for trad.
Definitely, that’s where the real action is!😃👍🏼
Partly perception and partly the fact that WFP is just not suitable on some windows.
I think the general public are getting more used to wfp than they used to be.😃👍🏼
This whole debate isn't about WFP v soap& squeegee. It's about something more fundamental .... MONEY!! I guarantee that if you say £25 trad or £18 wfp the client will choose wfp. End of.
Lugging that around 20+ calls per day.. No thank you.
Just do a proper job on the wfp and if you do their isn’t many customers that will have a issue, the only feedback I usually get is how shiny and new their units are cleaned that way.
Any that have a issue with the wfp method need to hold onto their ageing trads and hope their still around for aslong as they are as for me those types ain’t worth being on my books
I just bye the water and have a delivery unit .
Why don't Window Cleaners like to use a Hands on with e-cloths Liquid soap . (Is it to much Hard work ???
dirty girl I have been cleaning windows using the traditional method for many years, just check out my channel, there is plenty there.😃👍🏼
@@aemackintosh thank you A.E . I will follow you . I like these On-the job vidoes Keep them up Thanks 👍
Great. I hope you enjoy. I try to keep things varied, in my work and on my channel.😃👍🏼
Pure water is a method that surprises those that are new to it -
I have a waterfed in my truck-
Yes I agree customers freak out some -
The progressive customers think it’s great -
Sometimes it’s about how you sell it.😉👍🏼
2 years on from making this video. Has your opinion changed?? I have no issue with wfp in fact I have people asking for wfp. And you can earn a lot more money wfp, and when done correctly is just as good if not better than trad.
Aqua Smart Uk Yes, it’s given me some great opportunities, and it gets dirt out of places I never got to before, I love the results wfp gets on the frames as well as the glass. People doing it badly can give it a bad name and it puts some customers off. So I think a professional image is also important.😃👍🏼
Tell you what I think of it. Waste of money. Get a proper van mount of at least 500L per user. Job done.
Pryors Window Cleaning Fair enough. I know we love our van mounts here in the uk. This is just an alternative option. Thanks for your comment.
Pure water or not
It does not last
The weather will soon ruin the glass.
Here's the difference, WFP is not consistent, using squeegee, traditional cleaning will give 100% results, all the time , cannot say the same for WFP, it looks bad for business. Think about it , your customers could buy a WFP and do it themselves, no ladders etc .
Well my business has gone from strength to strength since I changed the majority of my round over to WFP. I make more money and enjoy a better lifestyle as a result.
No one like wfp I been window cleaning 20 years .wfp lose u work I love it but people love hand work .that's the truth really .wfp does get me work hand work does .wfp on a bungalow old people hate it.be honest hand work is a better finish wfp is good stop ladders but no one seems to like it
Samuel Snell I suppose it’s whatever works best for you and your business in your area at the end of the day!😃👍🏼
That's why I built up a business which is too busy to keep on top of with wfp.
Was traditional for 25 years but now fully water fed.
Just need to explain to customers.
If they have had a bad experience then you say I will clean it don't pay me unless you are happy.
Never had someone not pay me.
It's the splash n dash cowboys who give us a bad name.
All my customers like it and I have some who moan about their ex traditional window cleaner using dirty water and wiping a dirty cloth round their frames.
I have to say that I love the finish you get from wfp. You are always going to get a few complainers, but I think the quality of the clean is actually better if it’s carried out properly.😃👍🏼
That was a hard watch. Rubbish