I like that it has the 170 FOV.( Field Of View ) My older Drift Helmet Camera's had that and you don't feel queasy when you watch the footage like the lesser FOV camera's do. Been using VIOFO Dash Cam's for years. In the latest new car we installed the VIOFO A139 Pro 2 Channel works great...
Good info here. Thank you. This system appears to be very similar to the Innovv K3 I've had on my bike for about a year. A head-to-head comparison of the two systems might be interesting. I can offer a couple "learn from my mistake" points. First since, once installed, the system is sort of set and forget until you view some of the footage, I have more than once discovered I'd been riding with a dead bug obscuring the front camera. Now I try to remember to check / clean the lens regularly. Second, at least in my case, an added lens protector can trap moisture after a long ride in heavy rain, also causing obscured video until things dry out, which can take a day or two. Overall, I'm very happy with my setup.
I had an idiot car driver behind me so close I slowed down 3 times to get him to pass. He would not I stopped went back told him to back off maybe in stronger words. I drove off. I was on my own he had 4 in the car. Police stopped me further down the road. I was told you are own your own mate. I tried to explain , but no. So £3000 pounds later and a criminal record and just managed to hold onto my licence, I got 9 points and breach of peace. -- Now I have the dashcams fitted to all my vehicles. -- Get one, dont wait. Cheers from Scotland.
I have the same camera and it's been pretty good. My only complaint is the bulky wires -- lots of them, and they are kind of thick which made it a little difficult to install neatly. Other that, it's a good camera setup. I just wish they could makes the wires and plugs thinner and have the ability to shorten them with some alternate type connector.
I had a dual set up on my Ultra. It was nice to have until it quit working. I believe the heat was its demise. I had installed the unit in the tour pack to keep it dry. I would like to put one on my PAS but leery of the same issue and durability of off roading, I'll wait and see your review of use. Thanks for sharing.
I have been toying with this idea for several years. I have looked at a ton of cameras each with their pros and cons. For me the install on my wing would be a huge pita so i need to be sure of my purchase and extra length cables are available ...which this camera system has. Decisions decisions
Craig, I'm pretty sure your phone is listening to you! LOL. I have been riding for 20 years. In every situation I have encountered with another vehicle on the road, I could have prevented it. But that doesn't mean it was always my fault. So keep your head on a swivel and pay attention. Ride Safe! Thanks for sharing with us. Looks like quite the setup.
The trigger wire allows the PDM60 to turn on when the bike is started. You attach the trigger wire on the PDM to a keyed wire on the motorcycle (hot when the bike is running). You can use things like a keyed accessory port or the license plate illumination light.
Documenting the ride may be a wise thing to do. A feature I would really like to see is a little display showing live view of the rear camera image. It could supplement the barely-good-enough mirrors like on my R1200RT and make for fewer times twisting the head to check the rear view. For me, head twisting gets tedious on long rides. Probably because I'm not used to 7 extra pounds on my head all day.
Thanks for the review. I was thinking of doing this last year after all the close calls from maniacs and people that would rather text than pay attention to the road. Id like to know what else is out there as well.
Great review (on the pdm 60 too). Check your cellular data setting on your phone. I have an iPhone and can get internet while devices are using my WiFi
If the subject comes up in conversation with fellow riders, I'll sometimes mention .. "Ride like you're invisible." Reason being after they run you over, they'll tell the cop "I didn't see him" (or her). They'll say that if you had flashing lights all over you and your bike.
Been riding since I was 16. Never had a close call until my recent trip to lake George. On two different occasions drivers using there phones crossed over the center into my lane. Twice I was almost hit straight on. Thank god for the air horns and me paying attention- it saved my life. Cameras are nice inn the sense you have the incident recorded and will help you as long your not the one at fault. But there is no replacement for riding safely and at your level. Good info.
I heard that they say you can view your trips with this camera. I've also heard that to get this functionality you have to buy a third party software for it to work. Is this true?
Not sure why you would need third party software, other than an editing program. You can pull the SD card and transfer the files to you computer, so no, that is not true.
I've been riding for 10 years and have not had one close call with another vehicle. Probably have done 80k miles in that time. Seems that some have a close call everytime they ride, which makes me wonder. I ride a yellow Goldwing, which is very visible, but could that be the difference?
LOL. I used to have a Yellow Super Tenere and never had any issues in 20 years of riding that were not my fault. Now I have a Black BMW GSA. I can't tell the difference.
I had two close calls this year, both times on a big white BMW with white helmets and accessory lights. The first was when a women cut across a congested road. This was avoided because I swerved to avoid the collision and thankfully she saw me at the last second (probably because of the swerve). The second was when my wife and I were riding down a small country road and we came around a blind corner to find a Jeep fully in our lane, passing hikers on their side of the road. I avoided this by slowing and moving to the right. Being visible is great, but you still need to be ready to react.
This is a very good review of this camera. I am thinking of getting one for my 2018 ZX-10R. The problem is getting the main unit stashed somewhere and there is not much space underneath the seat. I have not seen one installed on a sportbike in person and I don't know the dimensions of the DVR unit. Also the wires are thick. Any advice?
The body of the control unit (that would go under your seat) is 3" (7.6cm) x 4" (10.2 cm) and 3/4" thick (2 cm). There are of course 5 wires coming off of it and yes the wires are kind of think. As far as routing the wires, my guess is that you would probably have to pull the body work and most likely the tank to hide them properly. A bit of a job...
@@LivingOffTheSlab: Thank You Sir. The Control unit measurements will help me find a place This ZX-10 has the side panels next to tank on either side that come off easily (sort of) and wires can go behind those. I ordered one yesterday. Lets hope it fits nicely. Thank You
My guess is that your camera is not oriented correctly. Look at the rear camera and there is an arrow on bezel. That arrow needs to be in the up position.
@@mikemills5144Sorry, misunderstood. You can set it up that way, however, the PDM60 will the be powered up and and draw power from the battery. A friend did this to keep an oiler powered and drained his battery
So today i installed the MT1 on my bike and after all the connections are done, the Camera does not turn on. I am faily familiar with the 12 volt electrical and use every precaution in hooking up the 3 wires. After checking everything multiple times, I still don't have any luck. I am tracing the current in the red wire all the way where it disappears into the black wire and there is current going. Same is the case with the blue wire that is hooked up to an switched wire. There is current there when switch is ON position. The Remote control does not turn on at all. I am baffled. Can you Sir help?
For test purposes, have you wired it directly to the battery. Hooking to the red and blue wires together. Of course back to negative terminal. Also make sure an sd card is inserted and check the fuse to make sure it is ok. If the unit does not go, on I would contact support and see what they have to say.
thank you so much. The ground wire was not hooked up. I had it hooked to body bolt and the bolt was showing the ground but the black wire was not connected properly. So I am good now thank you so much again for your prompt response.
How is the footage secured? Does anyone with access to the unit/sd card have access to recordings? I'd not want to use a product that didn't robustly encrypt and password control access to the footage. From what I found there are a lot of decent options for moto-dash cam's but I didn't like how any of them protected their footage. My thought process is that I always want complete control over who has access to my footage... prevents certain authorities from farming my footage for evidence that could be used against me. I'm a pretty conservative rider but like virtually all of us I do occasionally get a wild hair to get up to shenanigans.
I like that it has the 170 FOV.( Field Of View ) My older Drift Helmet Camera's had that and you don't feel queasy when you watch the footage like the lesser FOV camera's do. Been using VIOFO Dash Cam's for years. In the latest new car we installed the VIOFO A139 Pro 2 Channel works great...
Good info here. Thank you. This system appears to be very similar to the Innovv K3 I've had on my bike for about a year. A head-to-head comparison of the two systems might be interesting. I can offer a couple "learn from my mistake" points. First since, once installed, the system is sort of set and forget until you view some of the footage, I have more than once discovered I'd been riding with a dead bug obscuring the front camera. Now I try to remember to check / clean the lens regularly. Second, at least in my case, an added lens protector can trap moisture after a long ride in heavy rain, also causing obscured video until things dry out, which can take a day or two. Overall, I'm very happy with my setup.
Thank for the tips!
I had an idiot car driver behind me so close I slowed down 3 times to get him to pass. He would not I stopped went back told him to back off maybe in stronger words. I drove off. I was on my own he had 4 in the car. Police stopped me further down the road. I was told you are own your own mate. I tried to explain , but no. So £3000 pounds later and a criminal record and just managed to hold onto my licence, I got 9 points and breach of peace. -- Now I have the dashcams fitted to all my vehicles. -- Get one, dont wait. Cheers from Scotland.
I have the same camera and it's been pretty good. My only complaint is the bulky wires -- lots of them, and they are kind of thick which made it a little difficult to install neatly. Other that, it's a good camera setup. I just wish they could makes the wires and plugs thinner and have the ability to shorten them with some alternate type connector.
There are a lot of wires for sure. I can see that it would be tough on some bikes.
I had a dual set up on my Ultra. It was nice to have until it quit working. I believe the heat was its demise. I had installed the unit in the tour pack to keep it dry. I would like to put one on my PAS but leery of the same issue and durability of off roading, I'll wait and see your review of use. Thanks for sharing.
Whipper snipper line is what I use to fine\d a path through the bike under the tank to rough in the cables, just a tip
I have been toying with this idea for several years. I have looked at a ton of cameras each with their pros and cons. For me the install on my wing would be a huge pita so i need to be sure of my purchase and extra length cables are available ...which this camera system has. Decisions decisions
Craig, I'm pretty sure your phone is listening to you! LOL. I have been riding for 20 years. In every situation I have encountered with another vehicle on the road, I could have prevented it. But that doesn't mean it was always my fault. So keep your head on a swivel and pay attention. Ride Safe! Thanks for sharing with us. Looks like quite the setup.
You are probably right about the phone, and TV and computer...For sure, this camera does not take the place of having good habits and skills.
Sir please explain the trigger wire thing?
The trigger wire allows the PDM60 to turn on when the bike is started. You attach the trigger wire on the PDM to a keyed wire on the motorcycle (hot when the bike is running). You can use things like a keyed accessory port or the license plate illumination light.
Documenting the ride may be a wise thing to do. A feature I would really like to see is a little display showing live view of the rear camera image. It could supplement the barely-good-enough mirrors like on my R1200RT and make for fewer times twisting the head to check the rear view. For me, head twisting gets tedious on long rides. Probably because I'm not used to 7 extra pounds on my head all day.
In theory you could do this with the phone app and a spare phone.
Thanks for the review. I was thinking of doing this last year after all the close calls from maniacs and people that would rather text than pay attention to the road. Id like to know what else is out there as well.
Great review (on the pdm 60 too). Check your cellular data setting on your phone. I have an iPhone and can get internet while devices are using my WiFi
Thanks! Cellular data is on, some have suggested I need to turn it off. I will play around with it.
If the subject comes up in conversation with fellow riders, I'll sometimes mention ..
"Ride like you're invisible."
Reason being after they run you over, they'll tell the cop "I didn't see him" (or her).
They'll say that if you had flashing lights all over you and your bike.
Been riding since I was 16. Never had a close call until my recent trip to lake George. On two different occasions drivers using there phones crossed over the center into my lane. Twice I was almost hit straight on. Thank god for the air horns and me paying attention- it saved my life. Cameras are nice inn the sense you have the incident recorded and will help you as long your not the one at fault. But there is no replacement for riding safely and at your level. Good info.
For sure, this is not a replacement for paying attention and having the skills to avoid an accident.
I heard that they say you can view your trips with this camera. I've also heard that to get this functionality you have to buy a third party software for it to work. Is this true?
Not sure why you would need third party software, other than an editing program. You can pull the SD card and transfer the files to you computer, so no, that is not true.
I see that you kept the PDM60 that you had on the Super Ténéré.
That went with the Tenere. Took this off the WR. I don't need one on the bike
I've been riding for 10 years and have not had one close call with another vehicle. Probably have done 80k miles in that time. Seems that some have a close call everytime they ride, which makes me wonder. I ride a yellow Goldwing, which is very visible, but could that be the difference?
LOL. I used to have a Yellow Super Tenere and never had any issues in 20 years of riding that were not my fault. Now I have a Black BMW GSA. I can't tell the difference.
I had two close calls this year, both times on a big white BMW with white helmets and accessory lights. The first was when a women cut across a congested road. This was avoided because I swerved to avoid the collision and thankfully she saw me at the last second (probably because of the swerve). The second was when my wife and I were riding down a small country road and we came around a blind corner to find a Jeep fully in our lane, passing hikers on their side of the road. I avoided this by slowing and moving to the right. Being visible is great, but you still need to be ready to react.
@@LivingOffTheSlab Yeah, that will make you cautious, for sure.
This is a very good review of this camera. I am thinking of getting one for my 2018 ZX-10R. The problem is getting the main unit stashed somewhere and there is not much space underneath the seat. I have not seen one installed on a sportbike in person and I don't know the dimensions of the DVR unit. Also the wires are thick. Any advice?
The body of the control unit (that would go under your seat) is 3" (7.6cm) x 4" (10.2 cm) and 3/4" thick (2 cm). There are of course 5 wires coming off of it and yes the wires are kind of think. As far as routing the wires, my guess is that you would probably have to pull the body work and most likely the tank to hide them properly. A bit of a job...
@@LivingOffTheSlab: Thank You Sir. The Control unit measurements will help me find a place This ZX-10 has the side panels next to tank on either side that come off easily (sort of) and wires can go behind those. I ordered one yesterday. Lets hope it fits nicely. Thank You
Hi, how can I tilt the image recording from the rear camera. When I look at the recordings now, am I driving on the wrong side of the road?
My guess is that your camera is not oriented correctly. Look at the rear camera and there is an arrow on bezel. That arrow needs to be in the up position.
the arrows are at the top
@@LivingOffTheSlab the number plates are mirrored with the rear camera
Not sure what is going on then. I will have to hook up my phone and see if there is a setting.
I see in the user manual there is a setting called "image rotation." It can be set to OFF, FRONT, REAR or BOTH. See how yours is set.
same problem as with other dash cams: can't read one single license plate.
image quality not so great, can you tell the plates numbers of cars ahead?
If they are close enough to be a problem, yes you read them.
Looks like a neat unit. I really like that power supply but not sure I would use it enough. Does it still have power when the bike is turned off?
The standard install (no PDM) is off when the bike is off.
@@LivingOffTheSlab I ment does the PDM still provide power on some of the outlets when the bike is off.
@@mikemills5144Sorry, misunderstood. You can set it up that way, however, the PDM60 will the be powered up and and draw power from the battery. A friend did this to keep an oiler powered and drained his battery
So today i installed the MT1 on my bike and after all the connections are done, the Camera does not turn on. I am faily familiar with the 12 volt electrical and use every precaution in hooking up the 3 wires. After checking everything multiple times, I still don't have any luck. I am tracing the current in the red wire all the way where it disappears into the black wire and there is current going. Same is the case with the blue wire that is hooked up to an switched wire. There is current there when switch is ON position. The Remote control does not turn on at all. I am baffled. Can you Sir help?
For test purposes, have you wired it directly to the battery. Hooking to the red and blue wires together. Of course back to negative terminal. Also make sure an sd card is inserted and check the fuse to make sure it is ok. If the unit does not go, on I would contact support and see what they have to say.
thank you so much. The ground wire was not hooked up. I had it hooked to body bolt and the bolt was showing the ground but the black wire was not connected properly. So I am good now thank you so much again for your prompt response.
How is the footage secured? Does anyone with access to the unit/sd card have access to recordings? I'd not want to use a product that didn't robustly encrypt and password control access to the footage. From what I found there are a lot of decent options for moto-dash cam's but I didn't like how any of them protected their footage. My thought process is that I always want complete control over who has access to my footage... prevents certain authorities from farming my footage for evidence that could be used against me. I'm a pretty conservative rider but like virtually all of us I do occasionally get a wild hair to get up to shenanigans.
The videos are not encrypted, but that is not an issue for me.
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