great job man, i hope i can get some dji goggles soon, although i'm already very distracted by the ev800d's and a caddx ratel, stunning winter sky yesterday
Good news! Now I cant wait to get mine. The parts for the first digital HD copter are also almost completely delivered. To bad that the weather doesn't comply 😀🥶
Hi, Nice vid again 😉 I tried the new firmware version and tested the analog latency. Found the same results as you, about 10 to 15ms more latency then the fatshark (hd2). The latency in digital mode when recording in the air unit looks fixed now, I don't see the difference anymore. Did the initial tests on the first firmware. Maybe they already fixed this in the first update, didn't test that in that version of the firmware. Greetings
After the update my analog quads for the most part we’re perfect now except for one I still have the lag it’s better but still not viable I didn’t mess with changing the camera settings yet. The quad in question is using a run camp sparrow 2 micro.
This was a nice update and I am pleasantly surprised how fast DJI is updating! Funny part is I'm used to no BF OSD after flying DJI HD exclusively since August. Now that they fix it I'm switching to KISS with the FETtec stack and wont be able to use it. Also it makes me sad when folks don't fly due to weather, just conformal coat your gear! For the AU & Cam I just put small pieces of electrical tape over the USB and SD slots then conformal coated all of the seams. The for the antenna and jst port I just dabbed on some liquid electrical tape. I fly in any weather and from inside the house to stay warm! The liquid tape comes off the jst and antenna ports nicely too.
Flying from inside the house or car is an option in winter. You're right, bad weather shouldn't be an excuse not to do something (also valid for running...)
According to DJI's FAQ page, they state, "The video transmission latency will not increase if you record videos with the DJI FPV Goggles. However, the video transmission latency will increase about 5 ms if you record videos with the DJI FPV Air Unit Module." I do see that the latency reported in the goggles seems to increase slightly when recording on the air unit. I have not tested this with the latest firmware however.
Great vid. Update seems pretty buggy my end. Have had issues changing pids until I power cycled and more worryingly in flight I get a random notice saying I’m in an open channel, which I presume means my goggles have changed channel, although I haven’t checked yet. Also LQ doesn’t appears to work for crossfire, only rssi
Can confirm that with the open channel. It was just a blink of a second. I did not worry that much about it. Thought its just a glitch. For the LQ you have to to it the old way where you map it to the rssi value.
Nice work as usual. Just need some points of clarification. Does the rapidfire add 10ms of latency to the FS goggle? What mode was tested on the rapidfire module? So can i assume the 0 latency of the FR632 diversity includes the fs goggles latency?
Thanks, I didn't measure the impact of rapidfire magic. I used the mode 1 here, but I guess it doesn't add any latency but this needs more testing. Fr632 has 0 latency, latency on fatsharks probably comes from screens.
Usually when Bardwell goes through things I get bored and fall asleep. Something about your ascent and the fact you look like the guys that plays Magneto makes you interesting to watch. 🤣🤣 Thanks for the good content.
Thanks - it's an honor that you prefer my talking vids to bardwells' :) He's pretty accurate in his testing as well, maybe sometimes to much detail is surspassing your attention-span? :) I got this a few times now - you look like Michael Fassbender (Magneto) - which is a nice compliment, I really like this actor (not for the superhero movies tho). greets, Mario
Joshua B No hate intended. I learnt most of what I know about the hobby from Bardwell. His older videos can be long and over drawn. My short attention span makes me bored quickly . The lights turning on and off made me more attracted to this video. No the new update does not remove the higher output in the DJI. If you have issues, simply place the hack file back onto the SD card. Look for the new goggle foam on DJI website which takes care of the light leaks also.
That's my fault - with the diode being not sensitive enough I have to increase zoom level on osci. That gives me a broad and jerky yellow line which is sometimes hard to judge. In the tests after the update it was pretty clear that latency is 20ms. 15ms would be too optimistic.
Hi, thanks for this video. I am deciding which goggles to go with, I would like DJI but also an analog option. My concern is the analog latency with DJI with rapidfire adapter.. Do you know what the latency is now?
Hi, didnt retest the latency - but it will be around the 20ms. That's ok. There is / was? another issue with analog mode and DVR recording - sometimes my goggles would hang. Since the last firmware (1.0.4) this stopped - but I only had 2-3 flights with the new firmware - so it's a bit early to say this is really fixed. Generally I'd say those are the best goggles for me. Flying digital is the best FPV experience you can currently get. With analog - since I lost my trust in them (with the freezes) - I still fly with fatsharks. Maybe this will change in spring if I can fly more and see that the DJIs are trustworthy now. - I dont think that either the analog adapter nor the rapidfire will ADD latency. Most times in analog world, such things dont add latency. Only if you have digital processing - this adds latency. br, Mario
@@Rcschim thank you so much for the indepth reply, that is very helpful of you! When you say 'hang' fo mean 'lag' where they haveva pause in the processing and then have to catch bsck up with the feed?
@@nothinhappened with hang I meant "freeze" - the image stops and only comes back if you powercycle the goggles (I dont need to tell you this means: you crash!) but as I said, I only had this problem with older firmware - hope it's gone now!
@@Rcschim thanks for clarifying. Please do an updated video when you feel you have tested the new firmware enough. I think we would all be very interested to hear your thoughts. You make really detailed observations. They are very much apreciated. Can I just ask you one more noobie question.. Whrn using the adapter with rapidfire module, can we have the RF signal displayed in the DJI goggles?
@@nothinhappened sure, after this current, nasty phase of winter I hope to be able to fly more - with that I can hopefully gain confidence with DJI goggles - I really wanna replace the old Fatsharks now. Also I think about swapping the rapidfire out from fatsharks to DJI. Currently I test the clearview goggles module on the DJIs... - since the DJI goggles just display whatever the modules show you see the same picture as on other goggles. so all OSD functions are the same and you see the rapidfire RSSI bars.
10 or 20 ms, in a first person shooter world I definately want to be the guy with 10 ms. ;) At a speed of 150 km/h it's a disadvantage of ~ 4 cm. Guess we can live with that. Now all I need to do is do test the additional foam before changing from HDO to DJI goggles. The fit with the stock foam was not so nice. The picture was awesome, have to see analog through DJI first though. How is the analog picture like in the DJI? Better than the HDO?
Also folks that don't tune out their quad to have the Gyro track Setpoint (sticks) with Feedforward can have 20ms of lag in their quad response to sharp inputs. See www.screencast.com/t/yqjkJkU3. This is a tuned PID controller without FeedForward. Ironically, folks like the feel of quads without FF (FF=0). So they like they feel of a lagged response. Of course, it adds on to the 10ms of response different, etc... But point being you can compenstate for any glass to glass latency if you are not using FF by starting to use FF if you are sensative to it.
@@marlin-fpv I didnt compare the analog imagequality against my old Fatshark DomHD(v1), I remember vague that the HDO was better colors but smaller FOV than my DomHDs. So maybe the colors from Oled are still better than the DJIs - but the large FOV and the nice screen quality are good here. If the plug in AVin isnt connected firm, I had some distortions and darker image on the DJI. But other than that it looked good to me. I will see if I can fly a few packs this weekend with my analog Acro Speedybee using the DJIs... I think even analog sources get an nice update when viewed with the DJIs.
Hi, didn bother to test av in latency on the v2 goggles yet. Dont think it will be different - but there's an easy way for me to find out :) Also will be testing another quad analog in a few days so there should be the opportunity to also measure this. thanks for the suggestion!
Ha, that would be off topic on this channel and also it is from my girlfriend. It is sitting there since a long time, fish keep reappearing, not much tho.
do you think dji goggles are harmful to the transmission of waves in the brain? and if, in these glasses, you mount an external module for the analog, the problem of transmission harmful to the brain remains?
Honestly I dont think so. Read different scientific articles about it and it comes down to: RF radiation "heatens" up the human near it. how deep the RF radiation can "penetrate" your head (your brains) depends on the frequency. Higher frequecy means less penetration. So only a low frequency (900mhz) with a lot of power could enter your head and boil your brain :) (I'm talking about mobile phones). It doesnt change anything if you use an analog module.
@@Rcschim i goggles dji , al contrario degli altri goggles analogici, non si limitano a ricevere , ma trasmettono essi stessi. se uno usa questi goggles dji che stanno attaccati alla testa e li consiglia alle persone , dovrebbe approfondire l'argomento, e magari prendere spunto dalla mia domanda per fare un video su questa tematica, anche, avvalendovi delle sofisticatissime apparecchiature elettroniche che tanto amiamo vedere nei vostri video. scusami se sono stato troppo polemico
conventional groundstation VRX are kinda "out of fashion" a bit :) most ppl use gogglegs modules. Maybe I can test a clearview 2 VRX - that sounds very good. on a budget - I think most of these div RX are quite similar. I was surprised with the cheap but good FR632 back then. later I tested a FXT tech TriVersity - wasnt bad either.
Hi! +RCSchim You said on 7:35 time that you think that goggles with 2 x air units it is better package ad you use another brands cotrollers, but I had read on DJI forum message from administrator: "if you use the third-party controller, I'm afraid that you may not be able to enjoy the ultra-low control delay of 7ms and the complete DJI FPV digital image transmission product experience." forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=194921&page=1#pid1921675 Can you please comment it? Can you say your thoughts about latency difference in DJI Remote Controller vs Taranis Controller when using DJI FPV System?
They refer to control link latency. This is 7ms on dji and for example 9ms on crossfire. That is fast enough! Years ago I used immersion ezuhf and this has over 20ms, that you can feel!
RCSchim thanks for your reply! Can I little bit more clarify your information? If I understand right that you mean that if I will use DJI FPV remote controller vs Taranis X9D Plus SE then I will not feel any difference in latency feeling. Right?
@@MaverickFPV I doubt that you feel the difference. It's good that their control link is that fast - but this should not be a reason to use their radio. I think it's good quality - and easy for beginners - you get all from "one hand" but if you already have a trusty control link - you dont need DJI transmitter.
@@Rcschim It will be my fist radio. I thought about analog or digital system and stopped on digital. And now need to solve another issue what to select DJI FPV remote controller or Taranis X9D Plus SE. Because I understood that I selecting system for a long time of usage. From one side Taranis is more universal, can connect everywhere and I can install TBS crossfire module there from another side DJI like one whole ecosystem(controller + air unit + goggles) with good support and updates from manufacturer but I can not connect TBS crossfire for long distances flights out of my position. I am confused what to select.
The fit isnt perfect - that's for sure. At the beginning it was a bit distracting (some light leak) but I got over this quite fast. There seems to be replacement foam to mitigate it...
Why pay so much money for a HD system and then want to revert it back to analog. I fear that DJI has got sidetracked by the voices of the past instead of focusing on what lies ahead.
It should be compatible to analog so you can still fly older planes, choppers etc. You cannot convert all to digital at once. Also most ppl don't wanna carry 2 goggles...
With this update...i dont have to carry two goggles around with me to fly my micros! This is fantastic. In the future, when their digital system is small enough for micros, they can definitely phase out analog completely. But in the meantime...
Mario - your thoughtful and systematic testing is so frequently relevant to what the FPV community is wanting to know. Thanks for your hard work!
I have to tell you that I enjoyed the update so much more after watching your last video which I found absolutely fascinating. Subbed!!
Great work, good to see DJI responding and fixing issues...You should be on DJIs payroll....
very very nice update
great job man, i hope i can get some dji goggles soon, although i'm already very distracted by the ev800d's and a caddx ratel, stunning winter sky yesterday
Or a sub 250GFPV craft lover...which I am.
Thanks for the test and sharing of result.
Good news! Now I cant wait to get mine. The parts for the first digital HD copter are also almost completely delivered. To bad that the weather doesn't comply 😀🥶
Thank you for your hard work bud, your information in this video helps me a bit. Cheers
This is great! Thanks for updating!!!! I can't wait for mine to arrive.
Fantastic, Mario! Great to know! 😃
And of course we trust you! 😝
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I think with this, Mario has taken the youtube FPV information channel crown.
Awsom videos you make.
Keep them up please.
great follow-up. Thank you! even Bardwell mentioned you and your tests in one of his latest videos.
thanks, yeah, I naturally watched his video, great vid - not only because he mentioned my latency measurements twice ;)
thanks for calling this out
Awesome, as always!!!
Holy grail of goggles unlocked!
Hi, Nice vid again 😉 I tried the new firmware version and tested the analog latency. Found the same results as you, about 10 to 15ms more latency then the fatshark (hd2). The latency in digital mode when recording in the air unit looks fixed now, I don't see the difference anymore. Did the initial tests on the first firmware. Maybe they already fixed this in the first update, didn't test that in that version of the firmware. Greetings
Thanks for the update Mario
After the update my analog quads for the most part we’re perfect now except for one I still have the lag it’s better but still not viable I didn’t mess with changing the camera settings yet. The quad in question is using a run camp sparrow 2 micro.
This was a nice update and I am pleasantly surprised how fast DJI is updating! Funny part is I'm used to no BF OSD after flying DJI HD exclusively since August. Now that they fix it I'm switching to KISS with the FETtec stack and wont be able to use it.
Also it makes me sad when folks don't fly due to weather, just conformal coat your gear! For the AU & Cam I just put small pieces of electrical tape over the USB and SD slots then conformal coated all of the seams. The for the antenna and jst port I just dabbed on some liquid electrical tape. I fly in any weather and from inside the house to stay warm! The liquid tape comes off the jst and antenna ports nicely too.
Flying from inside the house or car is an option in winter. You're right, bad weather shouldn't be an excuse not to do something (also valid for running...)
According to DJI's FAQ page, they state, "The video transmission latency will not increase if you record videos with the DJI FPV Goggles. However, the video transmission latency will increase about 5 ms if you record videos with the DJI FPV Air Unit Module." I do see that the latency reported in the goggles seems to increase slightly when recording on the air unit. I have not tested this with the latest firmware however.
Good to know. Thanks. I'll be running a GoPro on top anyway.
Thank you!
Thanks for this work!
So 20ms for DJI on NTSC and 10ms for Fatshark?
Great vid. Update seems pretty buggy my end. Have had issues changing pids until I power cycled and more worryingly in flight I get a random notice saying I’m in an open channel, which I presume means my goggles have changed channel, although I haven’t checked yet. Also LQ doesn’t appears to work for crossfire, only rssi
Can confirm that with the open channel. It was just a blink of a second. I did not worry that much about it. Thought its just a glitch. For the LQ you have to to it the old way where you map it to the rssi value.
Now all we need is DV-out!
Is there any way to change AV IN aspect ratio to 16:9?
Can you still run high power on the latest firmware?
Oh hell yeah!!!
Nice work as usual. Just need some points of clarification. Does the rapidfire add 10ms of latency to the FS goggle? What mode was tested on the rapidfire module? So can i assume the 0 latency of the FR632 diversity includes the fs goggles latency?
Thanks, I didn't measure the impact of rapidfire magic. I used the mode 1 here, but I guess it doesn't add any latency but this needs more testing.
Fr632 has 0 latency, latency on fatsharks probably comes from screens.
Recording on the air unit increases latency, not the dvr on the goggles.
and even rec on airunit didnt increase latency in my tests noticeably...
Usually when Bardwell goes through things I get bored and fall asleep. Something about your ascent and the fact you look like the guys that plays Magneto makes you interesting to watch. 🤣🤣
Thanks for the good content.
Thanks - it's an honor that you prefer my talking vids to bardwells' :) He's pretty accurate in his testing as well, maybe sometimes to much detail is surspassing your attention-span? :)
I got this a few times now - you look like Michael Fassbender (Magneto) - which is a nice compliment, I really like this actor (not for the superhero movies tho). greets, Mario
TranFPV don’t you dare hate on Bardwell. He’s like the most resourceful FPV blogger on the planet!
Hey does the new update mess up the naco power hack? I love the 1200mw power hack and I don’t want to lose it.
Joshua B No hate intended. I learnt most of what I know about the hobby from Bardwell. His older videos can be long and over drawn. My short attention span makes me bored quickly . The lights turning on and off made me more attracted to this video. No the new update does not remove the higher output in the DJI. If you have issues, simply place the hack file back onto the SD card. Look for the new goggle foam on DJI website which takes care of the light leaks also.
In the end of the video, did you test the dji on digital or analogue? does the dji analogue have 15ms latency?
That's my fault - with the diode being not sensitive enough I have to increase zoom level on osci. That gives me a broad and jerky yellow line which is sometimes hard to judge.
In the tests after the update it was pretty clear that latency is 20ms. 15ms would be too optimistic.
Hi, thanks for this video. I am deciding which goggles to go with, I would like DJI but also an analog option. My concern is the analog latency with DJI with rapidfire adapter.. Do you know what the latency is now?
Hi, didnt retest the latency - but it will be around the 20ms. That's ok.
There is / was? another issue with analog mode and DVR recording - sometimes my goggles would hang. Since the last firmware (1.0.4) this stopped - but I only had 2-3 flights with the new firmware - so it's a bit early to say this is really fixed.
Generally I'd say those are the best goggles for me. Flying digital is the best FPV experience you can currently get.
With analog - since I lost my trust in them (with the freezes) - I still fly with fatsharks. Maybe this will change in spring if I can fly more and see that the DJIs are trustworthy now.
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I dont think that either the analog adapter nor the rapidfire will ADD latency. Most times in analog world, such things dont add latency. Only if you have digital processing - this adds latency.
br, Mario
@@Rcschim thank you so much for the indepth reply, that is very helpful of you!
When you say 'hang' fo mean 'lag' where they haveva pause in the processing and then have to catch bsck up with the feed?
@@nothinhappened with hang I meant "freeze" - the image stops and only comes back if you powercycle the goggles (I dont need to tell you this means: you crash!)
but as I said, I only had this problem with older firmware - hope it's gone now!
@@Rcschim thanks for clarifying. Please do an updated video when you feel you have tested the new firmware enough. I think we would all be very interested to hear your thoughts. You make really detailed observations. They are very much apreciated.
Can I just ask you one more noobie question.. Whrn using the adapter with rapidfire module, can we have the RF signal displayed in the DJI goggles?
@@nothinhappened sure, after this current, nasty phase of winter I hope to be able to fly more - with that I can hopefully gain confidence with DJI goggles - I really wanna replace the old Fatsharks now. Also I think about swapping the rapidfire out from fatsharks to DJI. Currently I test the clearview goggles module on the DJIs...
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since the DJI goggles just display whatever the modules show you see the same picture as on other goggles. so all OSD functions are the same and you see the rapidfire RSSI bars.
Did you test analog latency on DJI? 10ms or 20ms?
20ms
10 or 20 ms, in a first person shooter world I definately want to be the guy with 10 ms. ;) At a speed of 150 km/h it's a disadvantage of ~ 4 cm. Guess we can live with that. Now all I need to do is do test the additional foam before changing from HDO to DJI goggles. The fit with the stock foam was not so nice. The picture was awesome, have to see analog through DJI first though. How is the analog picture like in the DJI? Better than the HDO?
Also folks that don't tune out their quad to have the Gyro track Setpoint (sticks) with Feedforward can have 20ms of lag in their quad response to sharp inputs. See www.screencast.com/t/yqjkJkU3. This is a tuned PID controller without FeedForward. Ironically, folks like the feel of quads without FF (FF=0). So they like they feel of a lagged response. Of course, it adds on to the 10ms of response different, etc... But point being you can compenstate for any glass to glass latency if you are not using FF by starting to use FF if you are sensative to it.
@@marlin-fpv I didnt compare the analog imagequality against my old Fatshark DomHD(v1), I remember vague that the HDO was better colors but smaller FOV than my DomHDs. So maybe the colors from Oled are still better than the DJIs - but the large FOV and the nice screen quality are good here.
If the plug in AVin isnt connected firm, I had some distortions and darker image on the DJI. But other than that it looked good to me.
I will see if I can fly a few packs this weekend with my analog Acro Speedybee using the DJIs...
I think even analog sources get an nice update when viewed with the DJIs.
Have you tested the latency on V2 ? some say its better
Hi, didn bother to test av in latency on the v2 goggles yet. Dont think it will be different - but there's an easy way for me to find out :)
Also will be testing another quad analog in a few days so there should be the opportunity to also measure this. thanks for the suggestion!
Can you make a video about your Guppy fish tank?
Plants, substrate, filtration etc?
Ha, that would be off topic on this channel and also it is from my girlfriend. It is sitting there since a long time, fish keep reappearing, not much tho.
do you think dji goggles are harmful to the transmission of waves in the brain? and if, in these glasses, you mount an external module for the analog, the problem of transmission harmful to the brain remains?
Honestly I dont think so. Read different scientific articles about it and it comes down to: RF radiation "heatens" up the human near it. how deep the RF radiation can "penetrate" your head (your brains) depends on the frequency. Higher frequecy means less penetration. So only a low frequency (900mhz) with a lot of power could enter your head and boil your brain :) (I'm talking about mobile phones).
It doesnt change anything if you use an analog module.
@@Rcschim i goggles dji , al contrario degli altri goggles analogici, non si limitano a ricevere , ma trasmettono essi stessi.
se uno usa questi goggles dji che stanno attaccati alla testa e li consiglia alle persone , dovrebbe approfondire l'argomento, e magari prendere spunto dalla mia domanda per fare un video su questa tematica, anche, avvalendovi delle sofisticatissime apparecchiature elettroniche che tanto amiamo vedere nei vostri video. scusami se sono stato troppo polemico
The link to your diversity reciever on your website is dead. What do you recommend instead?
Thank you
conventional groundstation VRX are kinda "out of fashion" a bit :) most ppl use gogglegs modules.
Maybe I can test a clearview 2 VRX - that sounds very good.
on a budget - I think most of these div RX are quite similar. I was surprised with the cheap but good FR632 back then.
later I tested a FXT tech TriVersity - wasnt bad either.
Hi! +RCSchim You said on 7:35 time that you think that goggles with 2 x air units it is better package ad you use another brands cotrollers, but I had read on DJI forum message from administrator: "if you use the third-party controller, I'm afraid that you may not be able to enjoy the ultra-low control delay of 7ms and the complete DJI FPV digital image transmission product experience."
forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=194921&page=1#pid1921675
Can you please comment it? Can you say your thoughts about latency difference in DJI Remote Controller vs Taranis Controller when using DJI FPV System?
They refer to control link latency. This is 7ms on dji and for example 9ms on crossfire. That is fast enough!
Years ago I used immersion ezuhf and this has over 20ms, that you can feel!
RCSchim thanks for your reply! Can I little bit more clarify your information? If I understand right that you mean that if I will use DJI FPV remote controller vs Taranis X9D Plus SE then I will not feel any difference in latency feeling. Right?
@@MaverickFPV I doubt that you feel the difference. It's good that their control link is that fast - but this should not be a reason to use their radio. I think it's good quality - and easy for beginners - you get all from "one hand" but if you already have a trusty control link - you dont need DJI transmitter.
@@Rcschim It will be my fist radio. I thought about analog or digital system and stopped on digital. And now need to solve another issue what to select DJI FPV remote controller or Taranis X9D Plus SE. Because I understood that I selecting system for a long time of usage. From one side Taranis is more universal, can connect everywhere and I can install TBS crossfire module there from another side DJI like one whole ecosystem(controller + air unit + goggles) with good support and updates from manufacturer but I can not connect TBS crossfire for long distances flights out of my position.
I am confused what to select.
@@Rcschim Based on your experience what would you choose for my situation and why?
How is the fit for you? You sport EU grade nose after all XD
The fit isnt perfect - that's for sure. At the beginning it was a bit distracting (some light leak) but I got over this quite fast. There seems to be replacement foam to mitigate it...
Bye bye $500 analog goggles
Why pay so much money for a HD system and then want to revert it back to analog. I fear that DJI has got sidetracked by the voices of the past instead of focusing on what lies ahead.
I see this as an HD trojan Horse.
It should be compatible to analog so you can still fly older planes, choppers etc. You cannot convert all to digital at once. Also most ppl don't wanna carry 2 goggles...
With this update...i dont have to carry two goggles around with me to fly my micros! This is fantastic. In the future, when their digital system is small enough for micros, they can definitely phase out analog completely. But in the meantime...