I hope this helps some people who are having issues coming to terms to the mechanic! If you could change ONE THING about how the moon drive mechanic works what would it be?
Maybe add some startup? I've been thinking of it like if it was BRC in strive, like, imagine your character has an invincible reversal and BRC was active frame one, so there's all of that time for you to see what they're doing and you could just respond to it, like moon drive sort of. You can't do that because there's startup on BRC that will get you counter hit if they successfully time their meaty on your knockdown or frame trap you on a blockstring, and that's a big deal. So moon drive (to me) is like that but without the only (and big) risk that is getting countered. So it would be another guessing situation. Are they going to moon skill? So I should block and punish or shield, because they can't counter shield if it's a moon skill, but then they can just wait and punish my block or shield with a throw, so I should try to tech it or back dash or jump, but then moon skill will hit me. Add more layers to that and that's why I struggle so much. Why am I getting mixed up so much on my turn? And getting a proper counter for it without much guessing I need to use so much of my resources. But I'm still way too new to this game (still a scrub) to have a solid opinion on it, so I'm just going to wait for more tech to release (I know that there's a crap ton of OSs) or patches. So yeah, that's a opinion from a scrub on it.
@@fugax_vulpes1797 Hmm... I think its fine for it to be frame 1 actually but maybe, it reminds me of the way Chain Shift words in Under Night. However, if there was something with a lot of active frames already on you and you didnt have meter already you just had to hold it in that game. Maybe adding the clash frames to the moon skills later in the animation would work better for the game. I think getting rid of it as a defensive option by not having it be frame 1 defeats the intended purpose of the move.
Here's what I think of the mechanic: *When I use it* Fair and Honest *When opponent uses it* BROKEN!!!!! REEEEEE Thank you for coming to my TED talk :)
That special cancel is clutch, good to know you can cancel out of just about anything. I only knew about the jumps and the buffed up specials, which would be enough. There's so much going on with this mechanic
When you do the Moon Drive Counter, i.e. activating during the opponent's activation, I'm pretty sure you both recover at the same time every time. If you want to utilize your invulnerability from using Moon Drive after they've used their Moon Drive, you need to wait for their activation to end before activating. This way, you have 5ish frames of invulnerability, which is enough to make their throw whiff if they try it, and also gives you enough time to react to the blue flash of the Moon Skill by shielding it. There's no risk to doing this, either - it just reverses the roles of the two players. Using Moon Drive on wakeup is strong because it gives you invulnerability and the ability to use Clash Moon Skills, but, if the opponent also has Moon Drive, they can use their Moon Drive on reaction to your activation to effectively ignore your invulnerability, replacing it with theirs. ScrawtVermillion already made a video about this which is pretty good. This assumes they do something during the startup of your activation. If the opponent is sitting still when you activate, they're effectively +2, since the activation has invincible recovery. You still have Clash Moon Skills, though. Also, some Moon Skills are too fast. Even if you clash on the first startup frame, it's not enough time to jump and Shield... like Hisui's Ladle attack. In these cases, you can meaty with 2A or 5A, which will cancel into Shield without jumping, or you can just cancel your meaty normal into a DP on reaction to the clash.
yea its a slight delay to get an reaction from your opponent to invul through. Also yea some MS are faster than others I just mentioned the jump shield because its universal from a lot of buttons since clash is considered as a hit in this case. If a person clash at further ranges against the Hisui ladle you mentioned with say a 5B, they will have an opportunity to jump shield it so its good to know in those cases. But yea good information here, thanks for the in depth comment!
9:07 alright I'm using this for sure. Thanks chief. (Sad that I can only do it when *I* have moon drive but it's better than the nothing I was doing before)
@@DaikenFGC Noel's, I'm basically saying in general. Can't really say much about something like moon drive like if I'm not even this deep into the game.
I hope this helps some people who are having issues coming to terms to the mechanic!
If you could change ONE THING about how the moon drive mechanic works what would it be?
Maybe add some startup?
I've been thinking of it like if it was BRC in strive, like, imagine your character has an invincible reversal and BRC was active frame one, so there's all of that time for you to see what they're doing and you could just respond to it, like moon drive sort of. You can't do that because there's startup on BRC that will get you counter hit if they successfully time their meaty on your knockdown or frame trap you on a blockstring, and that's a big deal.
So moon drive (to me) is like that but without the only (and big) risk that is getting countered. So it would be another guessing situation.
Are they going to moon skill? So I should block and punish or shield, because they can't counter shield if it's a moon skill, but then they can just wait and punish my block or shield with a throw, so I should try to tech it or back dash or jump, but then moon skill will hit me. Add more layers to that and that's why I struggle so much. Why am I getting mixed up so much on my turn? And getting a proper counter for it without much guessing I need to use so much of my resources.
But I'm still way too new to this game (still a scrub) to have a solid opinion on it, so I'm just going to wait for more tech to release (I know that there's a crap ton of OSs) or patches.
So yeah, that's a opinion from a scrub on it.
Make it so that it can only be use one per round or it can only be activated with full moon gauge instead of half moon gauge
Can only be activated with full Moon Gauge, just make it so people can't MD so frequently.
@@fugax_vulpes1797 Hmm... I think its fine for it to be frame 1 actually but maybe, it reminds me of the way Chain Shift words in Under Night. However, if there was something with a lot of active frames already on you and you didnt have meter already you just had to hold it in that game. Maybe adding the clash frames to the moon skills later in the animation would work better for the game. I think getting rid of it as a defensive option by not having it be frame 1 defeats the intended purpose of the move.
@@ranelopeturner8667 both sound like solid changes
Here's what I think of the mechanic:
*When I use it*
Fair and Honest
*When opponent uses it*
BROKEN!!!!! REEEEEE
Thank you for coming to my TED talk :)
lol...
That special cancel is clutch, good to know you can cancel out of just about anything. I only knew about the jumps and the buffed up specials, which would be enough. There's so much going on with this mechanic
Great vid. Keep it up man. Got yourself a sub.
When you do the Moon Drive Counter, i.e. activating during the opponent's activation, I'm pretty sure you both recover at the same time every time. If you want to utilize your invulnerability from using Moon Drive after they've used their Moon Drive, you need to wait for their activation to end before activating. This way, you have 5ish frames of invulnerability, which is enough to make their throw whiff if they try it, and also gives you enough time to react to the blue flash of the Moon Skill by shielding it. There's no risk to doing this, either - it just reverses the roles of the two players. Using Moon Drive on wakeup is strong because it gives you invulnerability and the ability to use Clash Moon Skills, but, if the opponent also has Moon Drive, they can use their Moon Drive on reaction to your activation to effectively ignore your invulnerability, replacing it with theirs. ScrawtVermillion already made a video about this which is pretty good.
This assumes they do something during the startup of your activation. If the opponent is sitting still when you activate, they're effectively +2, since the activation has invincible recovery. You still have Clash Moon Skills, though.
Also, some Moon Skills are too fast. Even if you clash on the first startup frame, it's not enough time to jump and Shield... like Hisui's Ladle attack. In these cases, you can meaty with 2A or 5A, which will cancel into Shield without jumping, or you can just cancel your meaty normal into a DP on reaction to the clash.
yea its a slight delay to get an reaction from your opponent to invul through. Also yea some MS are faster than others I just mentioned the jump shield because its universal from a lot of buttons since clash is considered as a hit in this case. If a person clash at further ranges against the Hisui ladle you mentioned with say a 5B, they will have an opportunity to jump shield it so its good to know in those cases. But yea good information here, thanks for the in depth comment!
I really dislike how spammable MD is, building half moon meter is so common, I don't get why you can use it under 100% moon gauge
Yea I understand! A lot of people wish it was 100% requirement for how strong it is.
it's strong but I don't think it's too strong, strong mechanics make for fun games :)
9:07 alright I'm using this for sure.
Thanks chief.
(Sad that I can only do it when *I* have moon drive but it's better than the nothing I was doing before)
Knowledge is half the battle!
Bruh I'm just trying to apply these combos in a match. Lol
combos? what combos?
@@DaikenFGC Noel's, I'm basically saying in general. Can't really say much about something like moon drive like if I'm not even this deep into the game.
Charge frames clash frames whatever 😂
I don't have an opinion yet. I'm still trying to put combos together lol.
One step at a time!
The game didn't need moon skill..