Gerber Lockdown Drive - Gerber almost gets it right.....Again!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ย. 2021
- Gerber has a history of coming out with some fairly innovative multi tools in the last few years. Unfortunately, they seem to fall a bit short of the mark with their newer products. I wish I could say that the new Lockdown Drive bucks that trend, but I feel Gerber has let us down yet again.
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Great video Ben. Thanks for sharing.
While I wont pretend to be a MT engineer, i wish we could have a new generation of MTs with the design creativity Gerber but the quality control of Leatherman.
LM has seemed a bit lackluster in their designs, as of late. And Gerber seems to address this, but with some build quality issues
I think you hit the nail on the head with that statement.
Why pay for design if the package doesn't include quality?
IMO, first and foremost in tool design should be quality.
Blade exchanger definitely has a future and that pack-of-gum profile has potential too… better luck next generation?
I have owned this for a little while now and it’s actually pretty good… I haven’t had it close on me while being used to drive something. The tabs for the other tools are just fine after you use it a couple of times. I find that it’s easy to carry and very useful so far. Could it be better…? Of course it could but for what it is, I find it more than satisfactory. Just my two cents.
I’m thinking of picking this up . Thanks Ben .
Been waiting for this review, but i unfortunately had the impression the tool would be a let down. I'm surprised to see they decided to call it the 'Lockdown' and yet fail to provide a locking driver, and those thumb tabs are just obnoxious. It seems like Gerber have no appreciation for customer feedback.
This was made when the Armbar came out (videos of it have existed since 2018) they just released it a year later (same with the Armbar slim). They have yet to do a rendition for any of the tools from the Armbar, lockdown series.
I was also expecting it to be locked down lol.
I have owned this for a little while now and it’s actually pretty good… I haven’t had it close on me while being used to drive something. The tabs for the other tools are just fine after you use it a couple of times. I find that it’s easy to carry and very useful so far. Could it be better…? Of course it could but for what it is, I find it more than satisfactory. Just my two cents.
Agreed. It's like they fire their r&d department when its 87% done and then make an almost well designed thing as cheaply as possible. You're absolutely right about it helping their bottom line if they put in that little extra effort. If the quality was even close to Leatherman I would probably own all of those you've shown, but as is no thank you.
I bought this and the pry. They’re so close it’s frustrating!
I think the drive and pry should have been one tool. The Pry with a 1/4” receiver in between both halves of the tool on the inside of the pry/bottle opener
I modded my pry to fit the Leatherman ratchet extension in the center of the pry tool and it’s not bad after adjusting the scales to improve access to the thumb studs
I know exactly what you mean by frustration. They have been really consistent about thinking outside the box the last 4 or 5 years, but ultimately fall just short on implementation.
@@txtoolcrib just think of the cool stuff Leatherman might create if Gerber actually bothered to spend the little bit more time on their tools! Lol
That’s a really cool idea with the ratchet extension.
I just received the pry . I have not even taken it out of its packaging. Thanks for the review. My drive is on the way.
Not impressive. Gerber should use the basic guideline of Prybrid and Prybrid X to develop something to complete a swiss army knife or pliers. I would like to have a prybar with utility blade and bit driver, all locking plus pocket clip.
Thanks for the excellent overview. What a shame this isn't the tool I was expecting and so I won't be getting one for a present for family now. Far too many things they could have modified to make this way better. Thanks again.
Great video as usual, thanks Ben 👍🏼
That tittle is Gerber in a nutshell. “They almost got it.”
lmfao!
Leatherman multi tools with the square, “truss”, type Phillips drivers work great with the accessory 1/4” hex bit adapter !
They were so close to making a perfect pocket multi tool here. Let’s hope a mark 2 model comes out soon and they take some of your suggestions. I agree with almost all of your complaints as I’m sure so many others will
Leatherman BOND is way way better then GERBER DRIVE...it only cost's 15 dollars more but its worth it! Have the new Gerber,the same in the Video,and I agree 100% with you!
3:33 I edc an Armbar Drive. I use the screwdriver pretty regularly, and I have never once had it fold up on me during use. It's designed so that the tip of the screwdriver is past the centerline of the pivot, and that's what keeps it from folding.
I know people complain about it a lot, but to me at least, it's a non-issue. Maybe it's just a difference in the way we grip the driver as we turn it?
Thank you for yet another great presentation as always.Can you suggest a comprehensive yet compact eye glasses repair kit
I'm really glad I watched this review. I was all set to just buy one but now I know it's not what I'm looking for
I was rlly doubting of getting one. Instead i got the leatherman free T4. There's a prybar thats also a screwdriver and everything locks into place. Im very happy with it!
In the end I use the prybar more to open boxes than the actual knife.
Great video, about the thumb tabs I saw there are 2 holes on the knife
That might be a good size to put some thumb studs or even a strong enough wire. Nail nicks can be done as well with an angle grinder (I don’t know if that’s the name but I mean the grinder that has the disk or wheel)
An angle grinder is to large, you need a rotary tool such as a Dremel.
Been waiting for this, was really curious about your imput. Nice to see I'm not crazy...well I am...but not about this tool 😆
I love this channel's vibe. Your personality and patriotic voice are so soothing to listen to.
Thank you very much, I really appreciate you guys taking the time to watch my channel.
Couldn’t agree more with this
If I end up buying one, I'll probably just remove the plastic thumb tabs, to get them out of the way of implement use. I am fine with two-hand opening, and I actually prefer strong detents. The indexable No. 11 blade station is very appealing.
As an electrician, i would LOVE to see the armbar slim with a pocket clip and locking drive, why are they missing the mark? can we find the designer and slap him with a wet noodle until our needs/demands met as consumers/users??.. LMAO AGREED ANOTHER MARK MISSED
I always thought that if one of the manufacturers would come out with a folding driver and the ability to carry a couple of extra on board double sided bit, they would sell a bundle of them. A pocket clip would be a must though. A blade/driver combo, I would personally carry that.
I hope you at least wear gloves? No MT are insulated AFAIK. I'm not prof. electrician, but I use at least that voltage tester screwdriver when dealing with anything electrical....
I would go with the Leatherman Curl and with modification you can get what you need.
Those want-to-be thumb studs are awlful, this tool kinda reminds me of one of those cheap gifts you give the cousin you don't during the holidays.
I feel like Lockdown Drive should have room for onboard storage for extra #11 blades, there seems to be room on the cassis.
after having leathermans for years i decided to try a gerber diesel...the sliding part takes getting used to and the leatherman seems so much more versatile...
Thanks for the review... I've carried the Gerber Artifact since 2007, and was excited to see this tool (for the replaceable No11 blade)... picked one up yesterday. I am having no issues thumb deploying the blade.
is this an EDC tool for you? have you experienced the blade deployment easing after break-in?
I kept waiting for another tool. What is that plastic block at the tip of the knife and file? Seems like they could have made the knife and file a bit longer.
Those tabs.... why, oh why? What's wrong with thumbstuds? Scalpel blade holder is cool, though. If they remove the main blade, you're TSA safe (I guess?).
How easy will it be to break off the plastic tabs?
2021 and we still use slotted screws. Why? This drives me nuts.
the scraper is why I prefer tanto cut blades.
I wouldn’t buy it because I don’t like thick handled knives……. I like a slender knife or tool thanks so much
Does t have more retention, or feels like it because it is a shorter “lever” that torques it.
That’s a good question. It has noticeably more retention than previous models, even considering it is a shorter driver.
Completely agree with you about those tabs; what could the designer be possibly thinking? A knife that can't slice through, an awl that can't penetrate? Wonder if that could be part of their marketing campaign "Do you need an awl that won't penetrate, a knife that won't slice, then get the new Gerber Lockdown Drive!" Thanks for the review, it's always good to know what's on the market and the reality of what it can and can't do.
The Bond has more cutting edge. That tab severely reduces the usable cutting edge on the Lockdown
I enjoyed the almost exactly
The Blade opening mechanism makes it more attractive to the European market, especially the German market because of the restrictions for one hand opening knifes
Just like the Armbar, I want to like it. The idea is excellent. But it's like the made a prototype, tested it, and just put it into production without any refinement.
I don't know what they were thinking with those tabs. Awful
Too bad they couldn’t have put scissors on it. The tabs are stupid. The arm bar style of blade holes would be ideal in this application if the reliefs were increased for access to the holes. Then you’d have full access to the available surfaces for everything
I picked one up for $20 at a pawn shop. Love it. I don't need pliers. The scalpel is the best part. Cut grain bags all day. Cheap blades.
I wouldn’t even consider buying it, or any Gerber products for that matter. This tool only achieves making the arm bar a desirable tool.
Why did everyone think this was meant to be one hand opening, i dont think Gerber ever claimed it to be.
I will stick to my Vic Explorer when I want a larger EDC knife with a drive ability.
Gerber at the plate and takes a long shot. It going, it’s going, it’s going and it’s caught at the wall.
Gerber was the first multitool i bought while in the military during the early 90's but quality seems to get worse every year.
Same. A Gerber MP800 Legend around 2001...It is still my hard-used EDC and still flawless with negligible care (well, the rubber grips fell off LONG ago). I have a Leatherman Wave+ for lighter EDC when the 800 is a bit too beastly.
They're all made in red china
@@badboy-gn8fu My Gerber was from a PX around the time they started making them. I think at the time they were entirely USA made, today I am pretty sure they are assembled in the US with global supply.
As for made in china...yeah, zero government oversight and regulation of production makes for some terrible quality products.
The Mp800 is literally battle-tested and has been heavily used by me on an array of automotive, aircraft, electronic, home-utility, and camping projects as well as general EDC uses like cutting loose threads, chopping off an annoying growth on my thumb, cutting a sandwich, etc. It remains perfectly functional without ever having been torn down and oiled. I think I sharpened the knife two or three times and I have multiple jig-blades for it's attachment point that see work.
The Wave+ is very nice and has seen some minor civilian trials, but I have not put it through any real paces as it is my wearing-a-tux-carry (if I want something light and clean). It is produced in Portland, OR with minimal imported parts, whatever that means.
I know this is a bit more than your "ehRMaghERd CHiiiNa" non sequitur disserves as a response, but I feel that two minutes of googling production locations on my part is worth it to get some real information out there.
Thanks for your contribution to the conversation.
@@buckcherry2564 im a city boy and the leatherman wingman is the perfect multitool for me. it's my daily carry. made in usa i hope. i don't like red commie china
I love Gerber! While not perfect, and they don’t fight you on warranty returns like Leatherman does. Their locking mechanisms are excellent as well!
It seems to be the same story with gerber. They try to be innovative, but miss the mark from making their products great.
Does seem to be a common theme lately.
The Drive is not for me personally because there’s no pliers and the thumb tabs. Nice review though Ben. 👍
The twohanded operation is actually a BIG plus in my book, because now I can carry it legally in Germany... virtually all Leathermans, SOGs, Gerbers and what not are illegal in Germany to carry in public because of one-handed operation. So almost everyone around here sticks to SAKs, which are great anyway and built to much higher standards than any of the forementioned, but lack the pair of pliers in most SAKs.
Ich habe lange nach einem Multitool gesucht, welches 42a konform ist und habe jetzt das Leatherman Wave plus H2 dieses Multitool ist nur mit 2 Händen zu öffnen und ist somit 42a konform.
the lockdown drive looks like one of those waffle candies.
Nice review.
So 3 blades. A file and a bite driver. Oh yeah, don’t forget to count the pocket clip as a tool.
I’ll stick to my wingman
I love gerber and I think they come up with some really good stuff. But they are for sure missing it in the small details. They are the one of the few manufactures trying to incorporate 1/4 drive but they miss the make on the little things that really matter. The 1/4 drive should lock, if it did I really think it might have been a swiss army killer. Keep at it Gerber but look at the details. Great video.
leatherman is great because you can turn into a handle to get even more leverage when you have a stubborn screw....i have a gerber diesel as a backup and that sliding pliers takes to much away in versatlilty in my view..
My center drive is ok with the knige blade detent, butni have had a few getber knives in the past and i am confident gerber cannot make a detent. Had a flipper that didn't flip 😂😂 and a first gen flatiron that has been plaguing me for the last couple of years. Literally cannot open or close it without severe discomfort. Gerber and the concept of folding knives don't typically go togehter lol.
Maxlevel EDC gonna be on here soon like, "Yup, I knew it!" Shame about the execution on this, the design intrigued me. Know I would be way too frustrated with those thumb studs though, especially how much they limit functionality.
Truth, I trust Ben's judgment more than my own lols
Yeah the thumb tabs kill it for me. Otherwise i think its a nice little multitool.
This design shows real promise if only Gerber would stick with the good designs they have and build off of them instead of starting from scratch every time they might get somewhere I love gerber but I can't even tell you what their direction is anymore
Excelen
Non locking is an instant deal breaker
At least nail nics wouldn’t hinder the tools usability.
It’s odd to me how they missed this. That the driver is that flimsy lol. It’s common sense if you pushing that into a screw head it needs to be strong not be able to fold over. So confusing
I certainly haven't watched all your reviews, but I've watched enough to conclude that there isn't a Gerber multitool/knife that's worth my consideration, much less my money.
They could save that money remove the always subpar knife blade ,leave the scalpel. Put a measuring tape on fine file instead
More Swiss made inox stainless steel videos please ☺
How hard is it to put a liner Lock in the hex bit driver? Come on Gerber 😜🤣
The bolster is cheaper and perhaps a better comparison.
It's cool to be square.
I only ever trust multi tool reviews from hands that look like that.
Ah, time for another edition of 'kinda nice idea that could've been made worse' with Gerber.
From one Ben to another...You were way too nice to that tool. Those tabs are a garbage design, and I'll bet that steel is 5cr at best... Another well done review on your part though. 🙂
Great review. I agree with your assessment of this tool. As much as I like a well priced tool, I don’t mind paying a little extra for quality. After all what is $15 more for a tool that should last decades. Buy once cry once. Also, being named the Lockdown Drive, I think the driver should lock, it’s the main tool here.
Does anyone make just a decent 1/4" driver with a small blade. Theyre the only two tools I need and honestly every time i find something that could foot the bill theres a major downside. Honestly dont even care about the price.
I have Milwaukie fastback with a driver and A its not legal to carry in my state (thank you button lock/gravity knife) and B its not remotely a good edc. Very thick.
Gerber is one step above Ozark trail brand its sad to see
Is it bad to say that Gerber doesn't make good tools anymore?
i wish i could use this product.. but I am a nail biter.
The armbar was closer than this and another disappointment.
There are loads of good enough and some great plier based multitools but is it really that hard to make a knife based multitool!
Victorinox obviously but they are mainly slip joint. The k2 looks good but not keen on the tool set.
Nothing else out there... There's a market nobody's reaping.
Nope on this tool. Hate the thumb tabs. Awl needs a hole for threading. I guess it's OK to just get by, but we want a tool to get us through tasks, tasks that the tools were originally meant to perform.
Everyone at Gerber is drunk. If there's one thing I know that makes a Gerber a Gerber product is the complete lack of build quality. The tolerances on this are unacceptable. The pocket clip is crooked, seriously. My Gerber armbar drive is used often, but the driver not locking was a huge complaint by everyone...so they updated it to a slim version, and it still doesn't lock. They're all drunk over there. I think every engineer there should have to build a house using a non locking driver till they've been bitten enough times by it randomly folding on them that some sort of pain memory forces them to make better design decisions. Rant over.
I am surprised that gerber doesn’t t listen to reviewer video to refine the armbar and such .......amazing are they so rich ....to not follow the complaint of users
Because ideas are good but you can t make perfection at first attempt
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SOG, Getber and Leatherman all have piss poor quality in 2021. The only brand that has maintained quality over the years is Victorinox.
The last few Gerber and Leatherman multitools I’ve bought were laughably bad. Probably because I’m used to buying higher end knives these days.
Gerber was more concern with the cosmetics than practicality with this tool...probably had a fashion designer on the R&D team.
Really disappointed with this design.
I can tell you are trying to be fair in your review but the disappointment in your voice is obvious, and justifiably so. If price is the objective then perhaps fewer tools of a higher quality is the answer. Then the consumer could mix and match tools to suit his needs. It would be nice to see a company produce a set of tools that compliment each other with no overlap and let the buyer decide how much hardware he wants to carry.
When it comes to MTs, Gerber seems to be its own worst enemy, which is a shame really. The company makes some top notch knives. Perhaps they should just stick to that.
CHINAAA
Lockdown? Really?
Good review, bad product.
I'll take Gerber over leatherman Everytime ..
i have a leatherman supertool 300 and a gerber diesel.....supertool 300 all the way BUT the gerber knife does a hold the edge better..
knife edge.
I would never buy Gerber. I owned one of their tools and it broke on first use. Absolute rubbish.
No One Hand Knife 👎
Guys behind these gerber tools are idiots. Its very promising but theyre not listening to their consumers. Its a waste of money for now. Maybe the next models would be worth it.
The driver is too short not practical:(
Gerbers quality has fallen even since they start building in China. Inferior metals, mechanics and gimic tools that are just junk. So I'm a SOG guy all they way!
What do you people,? they talk way,way to much about products. Make it a lot shorter.
OMG, what a piece of shitte, so poorly made and finished, parts and casing is so uneven.
Nobody who can afford a basic victorinox should buy this.
Design sense :
It looks like it was designed by Gerber China, crazy ideas, crazy sizes, crazy weighting, stupid tabs...
All we wanted was a locking arm bar drive...
This is how you take an OK company concept and show people you can still break it.
It's the 'homer mobile' of the multi tool world. Just an ugly piece of shitte.
The story of the Gerber company, all that profit saved by Chinese manufacturing, lost by lack of designing anything without a fatal flaw.
way to critical. 2nd and 3rd generations work great.