Gerber Center Drive - The Good, Bad, and Ugly
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- Let's take a closer look at the Gerber Center Drive and see how it stacks up to the competition. We are going to test this tool out on camera so you can see for yourself what it is capable of.
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Few points I'd like to make:
First is that the Gerber allows standard hex bit while the Leatherman uses their proprietary flat shape. If you do any electronics, computer work, or other work that requires weird bits it's nice to know all your existing bits can be used with the Gerber.
While I recognize this video is a few years old, even today the Surge will typically cost you 30-50% more than the Gerber (more if you have to pay for proprietary Leatherman bits) so I think the tools are extremely close from a value standpoint, even if the Surge edges out on performance.
The engineer in me has very mixed feelings about testing tools outside what they're designed to do (i.e. using a small file on hardened steel, using wire cutters on hardened nails). For example, certain carbides can be harder than titanium and make extremely durable and excellent cutters, but they don't flex or give, so of course they shatter when used on hardened steel; that's not what they're designed for. If you need to cut hardened steel nails frequently with a multi-tool you're probably better off getting a multi-tool with a t-shank or u-shank adapter and using replaceable grit or metal saws so you don't end up with misaligned pliers and replacing damaged cutting teeth.
All carbides are harder than titanium.
As usual Ben, an outstanding review. It's a joy to watch & listen to your knowledge & experience (as an Engineer) come through into your reviews; well done, again !
Great sense of humor. Much appreciation for your attention to detail all around (editing, thoroughness, efficiency). Great watch and very helpful information.
Thanks!
I replaced the wire cutters in my center drive with metal machine cutting teeth which are great for cutting the types of tie wire I use as a painter the driver and knife are great and the one hand opening pliers are great to have when I'm on a 24ft ladder the inside tools do come in handy from time to time but for me the driver is the biggest reason I bought this tool
Great review man. Finally a channel taht actually bases a review on real-world testing. No over-hyping, no BS, just a solid, honest review. Keep them coming!
Michael Escay Thank you, I appreciate that. I just ordered the new Leatherman Free tools this evening, look for those soon.
@@txtoolcrib looking forward to that video. Heard a lot about that line and am a little tempted to be honest. Maybe your video will push me over the edge
i work in a machine shop, and have never seen that trick with hot glue before. thank you for showing me that, it will be very useful!
Thanks for you review. You are the honest guy talking about Gerber center drive, I see more than 30 videos related about it. I’ll give you 10 stars ⭐️ if I can.
gilberto evia Well Thank you very much. I appreciate that.
Excellent review. I'm glad you put it through its paces. I had a SOG for a few years and it broke 3 times, they fixed it for free every time, but after the third, I was done. Switched to a Gerber and have never looked back. Had my MP600 for 10ish years and the small flat head broke, so I decided to get the Center Drive. Haven't done much research yet, but I am hoping to be able to replace the serrated blade and the wire cutters with upgrades. Hastaloy or steel would be nice for the cutters.
Just warranty your MP600 or get a Supertool 300 with the driver adapter and bit kit. I like the Center-Drive but it has a few things I’m not terribly fond of
Very good test of the knife, thank you.
You're welcome. Thank you for watching.
Great Ben. I won't ever waste my time with Gerber. Thanks.
Super tool 300 EDC for almost five years. Still going strong 💪😃
I would bet it will work great for many years to come as well.
Fantastic review and demo, thanks and subbed! My main users are the Leatherman Wave and Swisstool Spirit X but I think I will pick up the Gerber, I do use those 3 main tools the most.
Thank you, and thank you for subscribing as well.
I realize this is an older video. I used to make knife and multi-tool videos, and back when I did that I never cared about a multi-tool having scissors. I just didn't need them. Fast forward to now, and I had to send my Surge in to Leatherman for an odd repair and I feel naked without it and it's fabulous scissors. The centre-drive has an upgrade now.. the centre-drive+ that has scissors. They've changed the main blade to be a combo blade (I suppose the scissors took the serrated blade's place). Great video.
Awesome driver design! I'd love to see leatherman implement the same sort of system. A long reaching, outside opening bit driver would be a great addition for certain applications
joe arrowsmith Me too!
Center drive bit diver and a outside accessible blade on a leatherman crunch would be a dream
I would like to see Leatherman produce something that would more directly compete with the Center Drive. I truly feel they could do it better. I think the one drawback I have to the Center Drive is the fact it is an OTF. I personally believe they would be way better off if they made that in a butterfly style so as not to limit the rest of the tools on the interior. But that’s just my personal opinion.
@@txtoolcrib yeah I agree a butterfly version would be a way better choice. I just love the crunch but I want it better lol. Leatherman are capable of doing Center drive and standard 1/4 bits so much better than any gerber effort it needs to be done. What I'd love is a truly heavy duty tool. A few elements sacrificed from a surge size tool to make it stronger. Blunt nose pliers, perhaps the hammer end from the mutt....a tool you can truly wail on and not worry. The leatherman NFG (no f***s given) 😆
Gerber makes 2 tools I like and own... the Dime multitool. It's small, light, and surprisingly decent for a keychain. The second is the Short Stack. I rarely have a need for it but I have used it at the range to address someone else's problem and get them back up and running. Outside of that I haven't seen anything from them that would take my money away from Leatherman.
I think Gerber could make major improvements upon watching your videos very informative video I really enjoy watching your videos thank you for the great video 👌👌
Patrick Gambsky Thank you, I appreciate your comments.
This is the multi-tool they issued in the Air Force.
So, when I hear things like, The Leatherman PST or Gerber’s CenterDrive is a best seller, I always think back on the fact that if it were not for the military it probably wouldn’t be. Just because it’s what the military uses doesn’t mean it’s the best. More than likely it came down to pure logistics when they chose, and a lot of time that means a sacrifice somewhere.
Ben, the pry bar/bottle cap opener can also be used as a can opener. The cut isn't as smooth as the Victorinox but it can be done. I work in aviation maintenance and on the jet engines we still use metal oil cans and I use the pry bar/bottle cap lifter as a can opener all day everyday 😉 just wanted to share this with you. Keep up the good work, great video as always 👍
Eastman 2380 cans beware!
I have several Gerber products, which I really like, but passed on this one... I bought a Leatherman Surge instead... I use the bit driver tool a lot and the only problem I have with the Gerber is that in a lot of cases it is to long to get into tight spaces... I have the driver extension on the Surge and it works great but if I need to, I can just use the bit in the main tool to create a "stubby" to get into tight spaces... I bought a standard bit kit which can be used in the Leatherman extension but I find that the flat bits from the Leatherman bit kit work just fine so I don't even carry the standard bits anymore... That being said... If someone gifted me the Gerber Center Drive I would definitely find a use for it... Still an awesome tool...
JS Krawz As a Leatherman fan I have to say, I really think that Gerber is moving in the right direction with this new multi tool.
I own leatherman but am also a fan of the centerdrive. One thing that always annoys me about these reviews is that they cut nails with WIRE cutters. I work in hvac and building maint. I dont think iv ever had to cut a nail in half. And if i did i wouldnt use a tool that wasnt designed for it then blame it for it.
Robert Fitzgerald That’s a fair point. These are really designed for soft wire cutting. However, it is nice to know that you have the ability to use the cutters in a more robust application should the need arise. Thanks for your comments.
I do cut nails with multitools occasionally. Why not?
@@UncleQ57 You can, as long as they aren't the replaceable blade type. Because they're not strong enough.
I agree I've been seeing these multi-tool reviews and they've been using nails instead of wire to cut through. I'm a professional mechanic and I've never had to cut a nail in half. but it's good to know that if I ever need to have a nail cut in half and make it harder to put into wood I'll be able to screw the nail up with a Leatherman. Lol.
And honestly Ben.. When you cut the wire, you said yourself, don't put it in the notch. Then you put the nail in the notch!!
Excellent review. I really appreciated seeing it in use!
I, like everyone else, had the same complaints about it.
*But,* if they made the price alot cheaper, then it could be worth it. Driver & blade being excellent.
What I think would be really cool, is if Leatherman was able to attach their *Bit Extender* to the outside of the Surge (just like the Center Drive), and maybe put the file/saw on the inside...well that would be out of this world awesome. OR I wouldn't mind giving up the serrated blade for that on the Surge (even though the serrated blade is superb). Maybe just offer 2 different versions of the Surge.
That would be so great. But either way, my Surge will continue to be my all-time favorite multitool.
Ive got my Surge in my 'go-bag' now, and EDC the Wave.
Great video again, i subbed!
Survival of the Fittest Thanks you and thanks for subbing as well. Surge is my go to multi tool as well. I wish that Leatherman would see fit to expand the Surge line as well, hopefully someday.
Awesome review! Detailed, interesting, great camera, and you even have a nice voice.
I share the opinion of other comments: This would be fantastic if it had been made by Leatherman.
vibeslide Thank you, I appreciate that. I’m glad you liked the video. Work is pretty hectic right now, when things slow down a bit I hope to get some new reviews posted.
Love the videos. I been looking for something to replace my surge, but that cutter is a no go. Now do review on MP1 haha
Jason Nguyen Thanks. Frankly, I think that the only multi tool out the that could adequately replace a Surge is a Victorinox Swisstool, and even that comes up just a bit short for me. Of course, that’s all just personal opinion. You know what they say about opinions. I don’t honestly remember if I have an MP1 in my collection.
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tom araya Thank you. I hope you had an opportunity to check out some of the other videos as well. I’ll be trying to get more posted as soon as I can.
Thanks for a great review, really helped me to decide on favor of a first gen Gerber center drive (not the Plus), just like you reviewed. Here's the reason I picked the Gerber over the Leatherman Surge. Aside from the cool retracting pliers, this tool has an absolutely superior screwdriver. The Surge's stubby screwdriver is offset AND has no reach, it's an afterthought seems to me and poorly engineered. So for my work on renovating old houses in New York, the Center Drive is the champ.
I think they were on to something with this design. Now if only they could make some of those other tools just a bit more useful. The driver on these tools is the best out there though, no question about it.
I totally agree, we purchase based on needs and what works best for it's intended purpose and hands down the Center drive screwdriver, knife and pliers are excellent for my needs.
You all are Wrong!!! My EDC is The Surge, with tool bits & ratcheting extension, makes it better than the Centerdrive, but that Centerdrive does have the best butter 🧈 knife 🔪 in multi-tools??
Excellent humor with the slice of butter at the end, I laughed a lot.....
Lol. Thanks.
Excellent review,it will allow me to decide more objectively on my choice of purchasing a second clamp even if I have a super SOG power lock which has a great concept of clamp opening by wheels type "gear", which is unique I believe in the world of multitool pliers.
Thank you for this video ....
You’re most welcome.
@@txtoolcrib Thanks...
A little bit of rubbing it in with the butter knife? Hey, what a good review. It was fair and honest. To be fair, I think cutting the nail was a bit much to expect from most multitools. It is reasonable to expect any medium and large multitools to cut a coat hanger repeatedly without any failures. Replace the serrated blade with Surge scissors and replace the file with a Surge file. Replace the wire cutter with a
Surge wire cutter..............NOW you have a decent Multitool! I have a Gerber multitool somewhere that I bought about 15 yrs ago to replace an original (before it was called PS2) Leatherman that was stolen from me. The Gerber didn't make the grade. I replaced it with a Leatherman Pulse which I still carry. I enjoy watching your reviews. Thanks for sharing.
The reason the pliers have a little lateral movement is because of the rail system.
Since there has to be a little tolerance for the rail to slide effectively it has to have a little room. This translates into a little slop in the plier.
Kind of a trade off, and in my opinion not a deal breaker. These tools aren't really designed to be super heavy duty anyway, just a convenience to accomplish light to medium tasks without taking your tool bag with you.
If I had some heavy work I knew I was doing, dedicated pliers would be my go to
Liked that Video very much. The Center Drive is a decent tool. But i've gone with the Surge too. Anyway, i would love to see a comparison between the Surge and the Swisstool, especially for the capabilities of the pliers. Great work and thanks for this excellent review.
Julian M Thank you, I appreciate your comments.
The Hot Glue Tip earns a thumbs up!
Thank you!
Subscribed. Thank you for this excellent review. I look forward to more multi-tool reviews.
bilakos1987 Thank you, and thanks for subscribing.
the best review, thanks!!!
Thank you.
As an electrical engineer I *LOVE* my center drive over my surge, they are super handy and there's nothing out there that beats replaceable carbide inserts for chewing through a ton of wire. Probably wouldn't be too hard to have a machinist buddy/local shop mill up some hardened steel cutters that would slot in there just fine, might do that as a side project for tougher jobs but really I find them sufficient for what I use them for!
I’m certainly glad that you have found the multi tool that works for you. I haven’t had as good of luck as you seem to of had using the carbide cutters as wire cutters. I’ve tried them on several different Gerber models without much luck at all. I might have to go back and retest them. I did a video comparing different wire cutting capabilities of various multi tools. Maybe you could take a look at it and see if you’re getting completely different results with your Gerber. Thanks for watching.
@@txtoolcrib Hmm, interesting - I don't often cut wire that thick, I mostly work with smaller gauge stuff and it works alright for me (I'm in circuit board prototyping so most of my work with wires is trimming and stripping a ton of small gauge wire). We've got a carbide grinder here for touching up replacement tungsten carbide inserts for some of our higher end dedicated wire cutters, I wonder if grinding those edges to a sharp edge and putting some relief on them would help with thicker stuff. Nice video, might need to pick myself up a SOG now!
The only tool I enjoy from Gerber is the 'shard' the shard is the perfect leatherman companion👌🏽
Good review Tex....I had to take a small file to get the coating off of the edge of my Centerdrives serrated blade then it cut as it should...
alex o'neal Thank you. You know, the shame of it is, I really like the CenterDrive. If the issues on this multi tool were addressed, I would definitely consider it to replace my Surge as an EDC. Quick access pliers and the driver are big attributes for this tool. The pliers, driver, knife, serrated blade, and standard (large) driver are what I find myself reaching for most often in my multi tool. Gerber is on the right track with this one. I just wish they made a premium version of this particular tool. I for one would pay a bit more for a little higher quality.
Thanks I’m a Leather-man kind of guy as well but I was actually considering buying a center drive
I think this design is getting really close to being very good, it's just not quite there yet from my perspective.
Had a gerber mp600DET but I left a friends house without it he said he doesn’t know where it went... we’re not friends anymore bought myself a sog poweracess deluxe though and I have to say I miss that one hand opener replicable saw and the great can opener on it. I use my multi tool for camping . Was going to pick up a leather man sidekick but they where sold out same with the wingman and the wave... they had a signal but not my cup of tee
I enjoyed your review and based on it, I'm getting the Gerber Center drive. I use the 3 main components all the time, in particular the screw driver. In my humble opinion based on 40+ years as a full line auto tech and being a 64 year old, active outdoorsman your review has a couple little, but important issues, the first being the tool you used for the file test is hardened, no file will work correctly on hardened metal, at least not for long. Secondly, the cutter which did fail, isn't design to cut an 8 or 10 penny hard nail, it's meant for much softer metal such as copper, aluminum or standard steel wire. Lastly, you never mentioned the price difference between the Surge and Gerber, it's important to note. In closing, your review was well done and I'm now a subscriber, thank you for your help.
Your observations are duly noted and not entirely inaccurate. First, while you are correct about most files not being able to file effectively on hardened steel, Leatherman files will. That is the beauty of the diamond coated files. Secondly, the cutters on these tools are not designed to cut through nail and the like. You are entirely right about that. The problem is, they are not any good at cutting through soft wire either. If you don't believe me, take a look at my video comparing different wire cutting capabilities of different multi tools. They are terrible. Gerber really needs to fix that. Also, they cost like $20 to replace. The last point you made is well taken, there is a bit of a price difference between the Surge and the CenterDrive. I will concede that point. Overall, I like the direction that Gerber went with this tool. They tried to keep the main focus on what I believe to be the three most used implements. The driver is really second to none, though it is not as comfortable to use as one might think, it is probably the best driver on a multi tool. Ultimately, my opinion doesn't matter, it is what works for you. I'm glad that you found the right fit for you. Thank you for your views and for your subscription.
I genuinely appreciate the effort you put forth in your videos, much respect. I research any purchase to the best I can, spending hours reading reviews. The key selling point for me was one of your first points and that was what I was going to use the tool for, in my case the Center drive, and the easy use of the pliers. As a metal smith and general tinkerer, I'll make the pliers cut wire properly and let you know what I had to do. Thanks again for your good work, it's helping all of us.
Hey Ben I went to the store and fortunately there both the Wave and the Center drive available for handling. I picked up the Wave and was instantly taken aback in a good way on how solid yet smooth feeling the tool was overall. All the utensils were stiff and difficult to move smoothly yet I knew that would go away with use and be replaced by a typical smooth movement that comes from a tool that feels as if it was machined from a solid block of steel. I picked up the Gerber Center drive knowing I came in the store for it and I instantly noticed a reduction in that solid, smooth feeling I got from the Wave, in fact it felt loose, like the fitting tolerances were greater creating a sensation making me search for some tool to tighten the pivot screws. It continued on after that, the actual Center drive in theory was great but in the real world, it didn't feel strong, it did feel more accurate however. I had seen enough and purchased the wave. I'm so glad I watched your video because if I hadn't, I was buying the Center Drive on advertising and theory alone and I would've been fat and happy until I handled a upper end Leatherman. I'm making an adapter to use standard bits and using the tool daily. Thanks again
You’re very welcome.
@@txtoolcrib I really wish I'd of gotten the Surge instead of the Wave. On closer inspection the larger Surge would of met my criteria better. I thoroughly enjoy the Wave however. The last time I had held a Leatherman was over 25 years ago. What a night and day difference.
I appreciate your observation and honesty. I made my purchase prior to viewing any vids on this item. I personaly didn't want to have a preconceived opinion based on someone else's experience or opinion. Im glade to see that besides a few cons this multitool has been well recieve and reviewed. This is the complete opposite of my practice, i normally review the vids and the test performed on most items prior to making a solid purchase. After the nail test, I am considering the Leatherman Surge, Thx for the vid!
LJaysPerspective You are very welcome. Thanks for watching my video.
@@txtoolcrib Good reviews are worth watching, I picked up the Learherman Surge. Im faithful to what works best IMO. I like my Gerber but the Leatherman is a more reliable Multitool...im not moved by brands but dependability, reliability and overal practicality. If Gerber decides to upgrade their cons then i will say otherwise. Thx for the vid...
It has been poorly reviewed frequently in independent reviews, based on actual useage.
@@davidsiegel9847 its disappointing considering the cost. These Multitools aren't cheap. Although i own several mutitools i now depend on the Leatherman series of multitools. The Gerber will be used untill it gives out, or will be used for light duty task :(...
I make a scratching test with a carbide chesel on the handles surface of leatherman and gerber centerdrive. Because just at first sight, gerber steel seems to me much harder.
Leatherman metal (420hc) scratches like wood, is a lot softer than 420hc of gerber centerdrive.
CD don't scratch, or a lot less than leatherman.
Why?
Best heat treatment?
Or Is leatherman soft steel a precise choice for some reason?
What SOG model is the one you use at 14.44? Thanks for the video!
I’ll have to go back and double check. It’s been so long since I even look at this video.
I have a gerber flick the pliers slide out that way with a quick flick of wrist and lock in place it’s good when u just need to use pliers and only need one hand to open it
I just ordered a surge after much review! I still have an old Gerber multitool from way back and still works fine, but my main dislike is that you can't open the handle to a 90° when trying to get more torque when needed. Looks like it has an awesome driver tho 👍🏻
You're trying to open the handle to 90 degrees for more torque? Holy crap, you trying to build a house with that thing?
I like the Surge over both models of the CenterDrive myself.
The problem with many multi tools, and why I haven't made up my mind on one is that so many of the tools are either crap or potentially redundant. A perfect multi tool for me would sacrafice some of the tools like having 3 diff flat heads, a can/bottle opener that I never use and crap file. Then replace them with an exchangeable tshank bit like the surge, an a smallish locking bit driver that accepts standard bits. It doesn't need to be huge like the center drive but maybe an inch inch and a half and then have an ratchet and standard extension you can buy if you want. Then all I need as far as tools go is an outside accessible, good quality non serrated/combo whatever blade. Just a stout plain edge. Make the driver outside accessible or maybe the t shank exchangobit so I can have a file or saw at the ready. Then the only other thing I can thing of needing is a good solid pry tool and maybe a GOOD serrated blade. Along with the usual solid pliers (I like the boxy ones too), good cutters (no carbide), a decent crimper and bam. I'd buy that for a dollar. Or Leatherman could just quit being greedy and make their drivers accept standard bits. I would already have a wave or surge if that was the case. I don't like proprietary bits, and the fact that it is hadbto even find a bit Kit for sale anywhere is just fuel on the fire. These companies just seem hung up on packing as many tools that I may use once and ignoring the important ones. I mean sdriously why would I need 3 sizes of flathead and a can opener when you have exchangeable bits. And I don't even remember the last time I had to open a can outside the kitchen. Sorry, rant over.
This review got me really wanting one of these, with the caveat I would take that sorry excuse of a serrated blade and refile it into a saw
Like your style and have sub to your channel. As a ex soldier now on veterans pension. I’ve used gerber knives which I’ve given plenty off hard use and been happy and still have them. There survival knife is a solid tool. I’ve found some of there knives are not always to razor sharpness. Yet the angle is spot on with a small hone normally few strikes on a ceramic V touch up normally does the trick. Multi tools have been leatherman. Yet one handed and for the less rugged use now I’m not in the field. This might just be good around the property, camp site and range. Not tried a SOG which in other kit I’ve been impressed. 👍😎🇦🇺 Vic Swiss army tool failed me on some razor wire which at the time gave sour feel to there name on any kit. 🤷♂️
Thank you very much for your comment and your subscription. A special thanks for your military service as well. My hope is that my little channel will be able to help people find the right fit for their needs.
That driver is awesome! Very functional looking. The wire cutters are not gonna fly with me. I can't have a wire cutters that are going to shatter with only the force that my hands can put to it. It's gotta be way stronger than that. The pliers look a little chunky as far as using it for needle nose stuff. But I'm a wave/charge user so that pliers observation may not be comparing apples to apples. Definitely think that the "butter knife" ,so to speak, begs for improvement. All in all a very balanced and fair review. I think I'll stick with my Leatherman, at least until Gerber improves some of those things. Thanks!
I agree with everything you just said. I think that they were so close to making a great multi tool here. The pliers are a bit on the chunky side for my taste as well. If those cutters were made from 154CM they would be able to handle any force I could reasonably put on them. I especially like the design of the cutters themselves. It can't be that hard to sharpen a serrated blade considering the high dollar equipment used to manufacture tools like this. That was a huge miss in my opinion. The awl is great too, but the real shining points for this multi tool for me are that awesome driver and a very solid outside accessible blade.
My set wouldn't pull staples from furniture. Would squeeze to the point of contacting the bit holder at the other end but couldn't hold on to it. Other than the plier head tolerances it's not bad for the price.
I use the Gerber Center Drive as a three tool multitool. The screwdriver is awesome, the pliers are OK and the blade is fine. I will pass over the plier cutters as they are really a joke (I even manage to break a set on copper wire) This being said, it's definitively not a "heavy-duty" multitool. At best, I consider it as medium-duty. I mostly carry it the days where I know I'll be using the screwdriver more than usual but not to justify carrying my tool belt.
Even after months of irregular use, I still have issues to single-hand open the Center Drive. My solution to this was to purchase a RAE Gear metal sheath, which make this multitool very usuable.
As far as I'm concerned, the Center Drive will not replace my Leatherman Surge as my EDC.
Keep up your excellent work!
Simon Forget I think Gerber is really taking steps in the right direction lately though. They are not quite there with the center drive plus, but I feel positive about the direction they’re heading.
@@txtoolcrib I fully agree. There's more positive points with Gerber's current offering than we have been use to, let's say 2-3 years ago. The Suspension is another example of this new offering. Let's see how Gerber will do over the next years before fully commit to.
As a professional in the trades, this is the only multi tool worthy for a job site. It saves me countless trips out to the truck.
Informative review. All multitools are compromises and tradeoffs. EDC demands are gonna differ widely for different situations and scenarios. There is not one tool on a multitool, regardless of the brand that a dedicated, high quality tool won't do better, and far better at that. Multi tools are just inferior to dedicated tools, period. I am surprised, and intrigued though that often they "save the day" and get the job done. My dad got himself out of a fix by making a shear key/bolt for an outboard motor with a Leatherman pst that I got him. I still remember the time, though where my Leatherman pst couldn't do the job of a battery terminal end bolt. Partly because it was cutting into my hand, and mostly because the dang needle nose profile wouldn't allow me to get the plier cutout on the nut. I been thinking about getting the original mp600 gerber with the blunt nose for the above scenario. I carry a wingman for in town EDC. It does a lot of light tasks real well, and it's just a marvel of design and engineering. I lost my Swisstool RS, never used it, it was too pretty and awesome...I mostly grab a dedicated tool when I am around the house or the shop. I like to save the multitool for when "the chips are down". The end spoof was funny. Thanks Ben
You are right on all accounts. Things have come a long way since the days of the PST though. The Surge and many other multi tools are surprisingly versatile. I have all the dedicated tools as well, but I count on the Surge each and every day. It really is a huge time saver.
Great review, great tests, you did a very honest video, well done 👍
Leatherman is much better, always has been. 👍🙈
Love the ending!😂😂
Me too lol I dig the sarcasm
However to be real... I find myself using my EDC in the kitchen more than anywhere else. I have a tool pack and bag with most everything I need; including a variety of knife blades. For me personally...... if it's in my pocket or on my hip it gets used around the house or if I'm in a pinch. If I'm on a job site I'm taking the time to grab a tool from the box/bag. Right tool for the right job!
So not a Gerber fan but one tool that I feel is a good design is the Sog multi tools. Their opening action is super smooth and I’ve seen quality on the fit and finish. Not a Leatherman but a good alternative.
The thing I don't care for with SOG is that they seem to be less attentive on the usefulness of their other implements. I would agree that they have very good pliers though.
I carry an SOG multi-tool even though I have two Leatherman and a Gerber. The SOG's are very good quality.
DENNIS MCCRARY No doubt, SOG make some high quality tools. The only reason I don’t particularly care for that brand is because of the compound leverage pliers. The compound leverage is fantastic. What I dislike about it is the fact that the jaws do not open very wide for say, using it as a backup on a 3/8” bolt. You have to literally have to open the pliers with two hands to grab anything with any substance. Thanks for your comments.
victorinox actually had a butter spreader at one time. I like the surge a lot to. Except the first ones that came out I was liking it but at the same time I slowly started to regret it. I was filling down the edges of mine at one point. it rattled like crazy and was almost rickety. I think leatherman was ashamed of it ito because they re released it and fixed all those issues. It is the original Plus model. I sent mine in because the end caps where crooked and I could push them back and forth. They kindly replaced the whole tool
One great thing about Leatherman, they stand behind their products no questions asked. While their quality control is pretty good in my experience, every once in a while a faulty tool will slip through the cracks. They're no hassle warranty has always kept me coming back to them.
Have you tried replacing the carbide garbage with the T-15 high speed steel inserts ?
They are the TCMW-21.51 inserts and cost around 7.5$
The updated Center Drive Plus is super alluring
I have the new one, been using it off and on for a few weeks. I will have a review on it in a week or so.
@@txtoolcrib I can't wait for that review! Looking forward to it!
I bought one of these but it didn’t feel well put together to me. I traded it in for a Leatherman and I am much happier.
I think gerbers rail system just feels janky to me.
I know that tolerance has to be pretty liberal for the slide action to work, but it just seems kinda cheap.
The slide action is definitely cool, and much easier and faster than fold out. Unfortunately it's a trade off.
For me, ill stick with my surge, charge, wave, skeletool, mut, or juice... lol
Also a Leatherman fan and I have alot of them. Bought this when I lost my second Surge as it was on sale.
I'm a bit worried about the over all quality of the tool but other than that its got some small advantages over the Surge - that as a whole is of course superior. (In fact I concider Surge the best multitool ever made for general use)
Most notably the tool is more comfortable to use and its easier on your hands. I especially like how the pliers work both ways. The leatherman tools would fold if if you try to apply force spreading the plier head. This has actually been very useful on a couple of occations.
Its probably a 7/10 where the Surge, wave and victorinox swisschamp are solid 10's.
Btw. Both blades on mine were terrible. The serrated edge was covered by the DLC coat that had to be removed and the plain edge needed a full reprofiling.
Good effort, fix , upgrade inside
That's mos-def it!!! I'm buying the Gerber Centerdrive 4 the Cool butter knife!!! Actually it doesn't get any better than my limited edition Leatherman Surge, Silver & Black 4 Raider fans like me!!! I've added the ratcheting extension which makes Screwing more fun??
What Man is going to Argue with that??
Also a leatherman fan too
That butter knife finale tho 😂
Glad you enjoyed it.
From a design standpoint, SOG power access assist tick a lot of boxes.
However while their built quality is not bad, it is not top range leatherman level although they are significantly cheaper.
Shout out from south Texas, thanks for the review, helped me make my decision for my father's next multitool.
Horacio Lopez Excellent, what did you decide on?
@@txtoolcrib had to go with a leatherman. I had the original one and I got him a silver and black limited edition. Actually wanted to keep it for myself
Horacio Lopez That is an excellent choice. I just bought myself a silver/black Surge. I really like that combination.
If all the issues were fixed it would actually be a great tool! I also carry a surge, maybe thats why i find other tools so inefficient.
Clowers Hiball I think we have similar opinions. This tool could be great. I wish Gerber would spend just a bit more effort on making their tools of a little higher quality.
I picked one up today for $30 Canadian. It was new, at a pawn shop. I really like the one hand opening on the knife blade, the bit holder and spring pliers but the pliers are much harder to close than my military issued MP-600. The MP-600 is more compact and is way easier to open and close. The MP-600 has studs on both sides that are larger and easier to press (especially with gloves on). I'm debating if the extra bulkiness and less convenient closing is worth it. For $30, I'll take it on some training exercises and see if I like it. Never would have bought it new at full price.
Any update?
@@txtoolcrib I haven't really had much use with it yet. I've used it a few times at work. It's a little heavy and bulky. Not sure if I'll use it for work. Right now it stays in my fishing kit.
The cutters are ONLY for softwires! They do a damn good job on electrical cables, even on fine stranded wires they cut perfect! But the notch is for wire stripping, they will not cut good in the notch. (READ THE USER MANUAL: THE NOTCH IS FOR WIRE STRIPPING).
The wire stripping notch is also really good.
As an electrician, the wave/surge/curl/charge bit driver is too short and clumpy to fit anywhere.
For a heavy duty tool, wich you carry when wearing workwear, the Gerber center drive is good. Especially when doing electrical work!
You just gained more respect from me because you are a Surge guy. I carry a Surge every day, own 4 of them.
The Surge is the best multi tool I have ever used. It is a very rare day when it isn’t on my hip. I appreciate you taking the time to watch my video. I have plans to do a separate video on the Surge, as well as several others comparing it to some of the other heavy duty multi tools on the market. I hope you’ll check those out as well. Thanks for watching.
@@txtoolcrib Looking forward to a Surge video!
Gerber could replace the serrated blade with a U shank saw blade. Then you could choose whether to have a wood saw or metal saw since the blades would be replaceable. Same as on the Gerber MP600.
I broke the carbide cutter inserts on my Gerber Center Drive then I went to Gerber's homepage and noticed that those cutters have a 5 year record of bad reviews, mostly for the same reason, so I guess a lot of people have had the same problem.
Has Gerber ever addressed this in any way, and if so how? People have suggested making the inserts out of steel instead (like a Leatherman does), has there been any talk about that from Gerber? It really seems like the way to go.
Malignus Totalis i haven’t heard anything. I wish they would address this area though.
The nice thing is you can customize your bits with the Center Drive, unlike the Leatherman which has proprietary bits. That is one thing that I have never liked about Leatherman. On top of that some of the bits that Leatherman has in their extra bit set, which I have, are completely useless in my opinion. I have a collection of multi-tools that encompasses all the major brands and all have their pros and cons.
Lonewolf 1970 I think that is pretty much the definition of all multi tools. They do a number of tasks decently, but nothing extremely well. I generally use mine for just light tasks. On tougher jobs I go get the right tool.
Not correct. Leatherman has sold an extender/adapter that takes standard bits. As long as bit kits are a part of a number brands of multitools, carrying the Leatherman extender/adapter is no big deal. Plus the flat, double headed Leatherman bits give us lots a types and sizes of bits which carry flat.
I have about 100 bucks to spend on a knife, can you tell me your opinion on which I should get? Just overall quality.
Are you looking for just a knife, or a multi function knife?
Thanks for such a detailed review. Very well done. I feel like some editing could bring this runtime down to about 15 minutes. Good job. Thanks.
Well, it was one of my first ones. Hopefully they have gotten better over time. Appreciate you watching.
Holy shit. You added the dimensions in text so we can pause and take a proper look at them, instead of wasting time saying them, only for viewer to instantly forget them and look them up later. Thanks.
bilakos1987 yeah sure
bilakos1987 I’m sorry I didn’t get to your comment earlier. Thank you. I want to put content out that is informative and straight to the point. I think visual aids are very helpful to a lot of people. Basically, I want to put out reviews that I would want to see. Thanks again.
Get you a DMT Trifold serrated edge sharpener brother. I can sharpen any straight edge or serrated with it except Cold Steel serrations . Those serrations are a Spyderco hybrid.
I'm going to look into it, thank you.
Great review. Seen a bunch and yours let me to (ta da da daaah) NOT to buy on! The craftsmanship simply isnt good enough. I currently have the Leatherman MUT but that maybe just an inch too military for me for everyday use. I love the Gerber center plyers.... What would you recommend as the greatest combined of the two?!
Carsten Anderslund I personally carry the Surge. It is a bit too bulky for most people’s liking. If I had to give a recommendation on which tool I thought would be most beneficial to the general public, it would either be the Wave or one of the Victorinox models. I think these are high quality tools. If weight and size are less of an issue, I recommend the Surge or one of the Victorinox heavy duty models.
Well said
Ya the price point on both are not the same. The surge is about on average 30 to 40 dollars more then the drive. If I am not mistaken the surge has also been around longer. I personally like gerbers because I can open them one handed and I work in tight spaces where I may not have both hands free.
It's a nice concept, but it is not on par with the Surge by any stretch of the imagination. One handed pliers are great for those that like that style, the real shining point however is the driver. I really like the driver concept on this tool, I just think the rest of the tools are not of the same quality.
Great stuff! Any Sog multi tool reviews?
I do have some SOG multi tools that I do have planned for future videos.
What do you do for work if you don’t mind me asking?
Chris Thorndike I am a business owner, industrial millwright & welder.
Is it rust resistant?
Another great review! Congrats pal! Its an interesting tool, but not for me. Surge is hard to beat :)
dobermansnp Thanks again. I absolutely agree, it’s not for me.
That ending was hilarious!!😂
Thank you.
Now you got me wanting toast! (hey can you spread cream cheese on a bagel too or would it void the warranty?) -- :) Hey on my Centerdrive I knocked the painted coating off the serations and now it cuts like a champ...
Quantum Fixits I have heard quite a few people mention the same thing. I personally feel that when you buy any new knife, whether it be on a multi tool or not, it should come reasonably sharp to begin with. It’s a damn shame too, Gerber was really close to having a winner with this one IMO.
I have preferred these new center drive to my leatherman surge in my home works...
Top quality, few things but very good things! (apart the serrated blade that need to be resharpened).
Leatherman have a little better fit and finish and better wire cutter...
But centerdrive have a very better screwdriver and a more sturdy pliers.
And is more useful.
Unfortunately don't have scissor and saw.... But I repeat: the concept behind these miluiltitool is "few things, but good things"
ALL the tools are useful and these is unique on a multitool.
IN my opinion Gerber centerdrive is in my 3 top list of multitools... ANPAR with leatherman surge and victorinox spirit....
I agree with the driver being better on the CenterDrive, but the pliers.....I can’t see that.
Why the pliers? For the little play or for the fragile wire cutters?
The surge pliers are real more superior in cutting task, I agree...
But I don't know... The pliers on center drive srmms to me very robust... And very precise, even they're not really needlenose.... I'm my model the play is so minimal... More than acceptable in a spring loaded pliers...
Leatherman sidekick /wingman spring loaded pliers have much more play...
Obviously leatherman surge/charge/súper tool pliers are much more precise than centerdrive...
(but my surge and wave, after some hard wire cutting, it get always a little play, and also my 2 victorinox spirit).
But overall, for what is the center drive, I think the pliers are very good.
Honestly I bought it for my collection only, and I was espextc much much less (compared leatherman or victorinox).... But I was really impressed by the construction quality, the precision of mechanism and by the utility in the real every day task.
The only thing I don't like is the play of internal tool in open position (serrated blade, file etc), but not on the pliers...
I believed Gerber was a poor quality multitool, like Sog.... But is high quality multitool... Aupair with leatherman.
I don't know if only in their high end tool, or even in their budget China made tool...
Center drive is their top line tool...
I'm curious to buy a mp600 (ak47 of multitools...) or diesel to see if are good like centerdrive.
These is my opinion....
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Great review. If I may, I'm going to make some observations. First of all...after seeing your review I can't believe that Gerber has a Center Drive ad where they "make fun of the OHT". I would take the Leatherman OHT ANY DAY over this. Same weight. Better quality. More tools. Cmon. Also, one thing to keep in mind. Both the Gerber and the Leatherman OHT are heavier tools. Neither have pocket clips. Neither of them would be the type of tool you would carry in your pocket. You are pretty much forced to use a sheath when you carry them. While the knife on the Gerber is a longer, possibly better blade… It doesn't really matter on a heavier sheath tool!! Most guys that carry the Leatherman on their belt are probably going to have the "pocket space" to carry a dedicated folder. The moment you carry a dedicated folder, the advantage of carrying the "larger blade" Center Drive is pointless. I do think the innovation of the Center Drive arm is awesome. I feel like, had Leatherman produced the same tool, the quality, construction and execution would be way better. Leatherman simply makes a better quality tool. I mean....was that a fracture on your cutters at 18:39!?? Crazy. I agree that the pry tool is a cool innovation in multi tools. Unfortunately, it's scary to wonder how much ANY company would be replacing their tools after the pry bar was OVER USED. Anyway… Sorry for such a long winded response. You give great reviews and the Center Drive I was so excited to purchase some day has just been avoided. You just saved me some good $$$$. Thanks 👍🏼
First of all, thank you. I think you're absolutely right on your observations. This tool is one that you are going to want to sheath carry only in my opinion. I also think that if Leatherman had developed a similar design, the engineering would have been a lot more refined. It absolutely fractured the cutters in the video. In fact it shattered both sides, rendering them absolutely useless. I knew it was going to happen, but I wanted to show people what to expect with this tool. For those that already own the Center Drive, I would highly advise against trying to cut anything other than aluminum or copper wire with the cutters. I had really high expectations for this tool based on other reviews I had seen. While some of the features are really well done, on the whole I think this tool is lacking, especially when you consider the price point. Thanks for your comments.
Hey Man. Wasn't sure how to contact you but wanted to thank you for checking out my RAE Gear Sheath Video. I had to re-upload the video in HD (accidentally hit Standard), so you won't see your comment. BUT, I did see it..so thanks.
USCG89 I was wondering what happened there. I’ll make it a point to go back and comment and like again. Great video. Clear and concise. It’s refreshing to have someone new who isn’t a product shill or that drones on and on. I really like your approach and format. Great sheath btw. You ever want to contact me, I set up an email just for this channel. txtoolcrib@gmail.com
I've got Leatherman and Gerber and the Leatherman's feel milquetoast while the Gerber's feel tool-like. Both great, I prefer to carry Gerber.
I have Leatherman, Gerber, SOG, and Victorinox. All have their plus and minus. Although one thing I dislike about Leatherman is you have to get their bit set for their tools. I have an old Gerber with the square jaws and the only thing I had go wrong is the screw came loose on the jaws and just had them Loc Tited and they worked great after that. And I used it as a hammer at times and that is something I wouldn't use a Leatherman for. Leatherman has some nice tools, but Gerber has the market on the OTF tools. I have seen the OHT and, in my opinion, it is just a complete mess, but that is just my opinion.
Lonewolf 1970 Most multi tools are about the best compromise. What is perfect for one person, is lacking for someone else. I feel like Gerber quality has been suffering greatly over the past few years. However, I just got my hands on the CenterDrive Plus and I am moderately impressed with the revisions they have. Hopefully they are turning a corner. I will be reviewing sometime in the next two weeks I hope.
@@txtoolcrib I just feel that too many people just have blind loyalty to Leatherman. I have seen more than a few Leatherman products that I wouldn't give you 2 cents for. Their knives are some of the weakest links in their business in my opinion. Like I said I still have my original Gerber, with the chunky square head pliers and it is built like a tank and I have had it for over 25 years. I even have the original nylon sheath it came with.
Lonewolf 1970 I take your point. It’s hard to blame them sometimes though. I think even the most diehard Gerber fan has to admit, the last ten years or so has not done anything positive for their reputation. Hopefully that will change. Products speak for themselves.
@@txtoolcrib You have kind of a point when it comes to the general market, but Gerber has also been making multitools for the military that are specialized and they have some specialized tools for things like shotguns and bows. Then there is the MP1 series of multitools, which have a regular hex head bit holder. They have a specialized tool for working with networking cable, too. I don't know if you know about the Gerber SHort Stack. It is for the AR-15 platform and can fit into a Magpul pistol grip.
Lonewolf 1970 I am aware of quite a few of the other offerings from Gerber. I do have to admit though that I am not familiar with the SHort Stack. I am going to have to research that now.
The serrated blade sucks on the Gerber Centerdrive and on the MP600, they should of just left it out and put in a saw instead. Mine came so dull, I went and bought a Smith's Pocket Pal, and it's still not sharp!! I want to replace it with a saw, but I don't have the tools to take apart the MP600, There should be an option where you can choose what blades or tools you want on your Gerber multitools.
Full disclosure I don’t own either the center drive nor the surge but I can see that Gerbers innovation is leaps and bounds above the surge or wave . Problem is their execution. The one hand deployment of the center drive and pliers is slick. Don’t know why leatherman didn’t or doesn’t just incorporate a standard size bit holder. Eliminate a couple s slotted drivers that are seldom used.
The Gerber DBK: Decent Butter Knife.
Opens paint cans and dents the bottom of my garbage can.
How much does a surge cost in the states
Halfcan Tan The Surge runs about $95 to $110 USD depending on what model you choose. Also some variations in prices if you get certain accessories with the multi tool.
@@txtoolcrib - The Leatherman Surge cost now msrp is $129.95
The saw blade is great for cutting up big cardboard boxes
Great for saving those knife blades as well.
I would call the crunch a success either! Lol
Crunch also has a size disadvantage to consider.
I think Gerber should have put a saw in place of the blade with clamps (which is also of poor quality) that would have made the pliers more useful and functional
Wish someone would mention and compare the rattle, the gerber center drive seems to rattle allot, cant really tell