Hey old and new viewers alike, I'm here the day after the news broke regarding Joss Whedon and Charisma Carpenter. Truth be told, I was planning on talking about the whole situation with Ray Fisher and Justice League as well as Kai Cole in another video regarding the discussion of separating the art from the artist as well as just the broader subject of acknowledging the work of a bad person. I've been stewing over this all day, trying to figure out what to do, because a large part of what I made this video on was me being a fan of Joss Whedon and all the research I did regarding his state of mind at this point in his career... but morally I don't know if what I discussed was even the truth. It was always conjecture... but I always prided myself in looking beyond the scene and into the artists behind the work. It's a large part of why this video is the way it was. As a fan of Whedon, I'm incredibly heartbroken and disgusted (I even had videos on Firefly and Much Ado About Nothing I wanted to do, as well as another video comparing how Whedon and the Russos molded the Avengers on screen, but for now... it just feels wrong...). As a content creator and a filmmaker, I feel so conflicted, because I want my videos to have a sense of empathy for the people behind them, but in light of what's happened, it shakes me to my core. So I decided to keep this video up, not only because it was such a huge video for me (and I'm not partnered anymore, so I'm not even making any money on this), but as an editor, I'm genuinely proud of this video and Whedon was not the only focus, but also the discussion of each writer and director taking to these characters like artists and writers on the comics they're based on. I WILL however be deleting a Joss Whedon video I had on my channel for years, because I don't want to celebrate a man who abused his power on and off set. This is an emotional reaction, I'll admit, and some may not agree with me on this. But when you look up to someone and are influenced by someone like I was with Joss Whedon, you feel almost a sense of betrayal. And I don't want to condone that behavior at all, nor do I want him to taint my work. Thanks for reading, see you in the next video.
Look Josh Whedon was/is one of those A-Hole boss that alot of people have and had from the stories from Ray and Charisma. It's not like he sexually harass them, assaulted them, being r_cist, or a sexist pig at/in the workplace (that we know of). A comparable example, Gordon Ramasy the dude is a total tough a-hole boss and yet people still eat his food, buy his cook books, and watch his shows. Be weary when ever someone starts off saying "My Truth" ... because there is only "The Truth" ... My Truth is just another way of saying *my:* version//lie/narrative.
@@knessing7681 If the stories about him making writers cry and bragging about it, or the stuff he said to Charisma, that goes beyond being an asshole boss to outright abuse. I've had asshole bosses, and as much as I didn't like their approach I knew there was a basic level of respect that meant I could put up with it. The shit Joss is accused of doesn't make him an asshole boss, it makes him a BAD boss. There is no way you're getting the best work from your writing team if you're making them cry every week, there is no way you are getting the best performance from your actors if they feel demeaned and belittled every time you talk to them. The fact that he couldn't be trusted to tone down his behavior with a teenage girl, to the point where he wasn't allowed to be alone with her without a buffer, is ludicrous and pathetic. A director's job is to direct people, a level of interpersonal communication skills and adaptability is integral. Also worth noting that Charisma and Ray Fisher are being backed up by a lot of their co-stars and Joss's writing staff. At the absolute very least, this paints a clear picture of Joss overstepping appropriate boundaries and levels of respect for his workers. There is no excuse for that, if he meant it in good fun and was somehow dense enough to not realize he'd gone to far when someone broke down crying, then he needs to profusely apologize. I say this as someone with a pretty mean sense of humor. I can be brutal with my teasing, but I know how to tone it down if the person isn't comfortable and if I go too far you'd better believe I apologize and do everything I can to make sure the person is okay with how hard I push going forward. A director who can't do that is hamstringing their project for their own ego. Gordon Ramsay plays up his persona for the camera, he is much less belligerent in the British versions of his shows. Even if he is an asshole when working in a kitchen, a high stress environment like a fine dining restaurant where seconds are the deciding factor between whether a dish turns out good, bad, or has to be restarted is very different from a television or movie set. Being a head chef warrants a level of strictness that is necessary for the restaurant to function, directing on a set where an entire day might be set aside for just one scene doesn't. In fact, it will often make the process even harder. If your standard for how much abuse a boss or public figure is allowed to get away with is how successful their business is, you are contributing to the problem. That attitude is exactly why Weinstein was able to get away with his bullshit for as long as he did.
@@knessing7681 why are you defending verbal/emotional abuse? The way he acts should not be excused ever. It’s disgusting. Yes some bosses are plain assholes but Joss deserves everything coming his way, he’s outright abusing his power.
Never even noticed, but in the start Tony does look to be settling down with Pepper because of his dreams of a child instead of more space nightmares, and later Thanos throws (part of the surface of) a moon at him. So many connections with these movies, it's crazy.
Well, this is just drama writing 101. Nobody wants to read about a character who lives ahappy quiet life. If you want your readers to be invested, start throwing stones at your character.
My favorite part about this scene is how it calls back to one of the earliest observations of Ultron: “Everyone creates the thing they dread. Men of peace create engines of war. Invaders create Avengers. People create... smaller people? Er... children! I lost the word there. Children. Designed to supplant them. To help them... end.” He spoke that with such lucidity... almost such that you would think he could avoid that fate himself... but no, instead, the lucidity of his words only expressed inevitability after all. Ultron’s “child” was Vision. He too created what he came to dread. He too created what he came to fear... That’s what Vision’s observation was a callback to... what that conversation as a whole calls back to... “You’re afraid.” “Of you?” “Of death. You’re the last one.” “You were supposed to be the last.” “Stark asked for a savior (got a monster, and then) settled for a slave.” “I suppose we are both disappointments.” “I suppose we are.” There’s a beautiful symmetric duality to it all
okay but no one's commenting on the fact that this is a play on the film "a pigeon sat on a branch reflecting on existence" and that alone has earned my sub
with this video's suggestion that vision and ultron is the metaphor for the russos and Whedon respectively, i take this more as like... "Well, I was born yesterYEAR" Age of Ultron (2015) Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014)
Right?? Like, damn, youtube is seemingly cleaning up it's act. I've been getting this top-tier small guys popping up often now. Makes me happy to sub to real content creators.
Let me know what you think of the Ready Player One, Logan, and War of the Worlds videos! Those in particular are my favorites (and are more what I'm aiming for now). Hopefully you'll love my next video, too!
The main problem with age of Ultron is excessive action scenes and thor's entire infinity stone side quest. They clutter the pacing and don't give the farmhouse scene or Black Widow's character arc room to breathe. Lots of people complain about widow's dialogue in the farmhouse. And they're wrong. The scene is a man and a woman talking about their doomed relationship. The man says "you shouldn't be with me. I'm a monster. I can't even have kids." The woman responds with "Hang on asshole. I can't have kids either. Does that make me a monster?" People who claim the farmhouse scene is sexist or ableist against sterile women aren't looking at it in the context of widow's backstory presented in the earlier flashbacks and her background work in the other farmhouse scenes. She's not a monster because she can't have kids. She's a monster because an evil organization took her and dozens of other little girls and turned them into monsters by stripping away their humanity piece by piece. And the very last piece of humanity they took was the ability to create life. Making it so they could only take life. The main problem with age of Ultron is that it lacks the one flashback scene that would have tied Black Widow's entire arc together. The scene where she gets her humanity back the fifth or sixth time she visits the Barton Farm for dinner with her new family. The very first time Hawkeye's daughter says "I love you, Aunty Nat."
I agree with pretty much everything, but I wanted to make a comment because of the irony in it: Thor's sidequest. One of the things that was most actively trying to be removed, as the cave scene was part of it, was the thing the studio wanted most. And it is the farmhouse scene that the studio would take out in retaliation. It was the most important scene of the entire franchise, a scene where everyone is shown as a human being instead of just a superhero (*cough cough* DCEU) would get removed because the studio wanted their exposition dump. If the movie did lack the sidequest, then even the action scene numbers could become bearable. Breaking into Hydra's headquarters is a fight that we needed to see. The rise of Ultron and his problems with the Avengers was a fight that was going to go down, and from there, the only fight scene that really didn't progress the story was Hulk vs Hulkbuster. Which itself is the entire point. Demoralize the Avengers and waste their time for Ultron to get his own plans. That's also why the final fight has so many small, human moments in it as well. To make it more than just another fight scene against the big bad villain.
That... is one of the biggest complements I've gotten on this! Those original few are among my favorite TH-camrs! Thank you so much! It made the almost full week of editing worth it.
Agreed. I 've watched a bunch of all the other ones and you have these guys with under 5k views or 1k subs and props to them for being a part of it and spreading their influence and their voice. But their quality just doesn't compare, as no fault of their own. but this one, this one I like. It's well thought out, well written, and longer than 5 minutes lol.
People forget that he was made by Tony AND Bruce, and not Hank. He doesn't just have Tony's snark, but the loneliness to me comes from Bruce. The idea that humanity have to be destroyed to stop them from causing pain and further destruction is VERY Bruce, it's what he has tried to do to the Hulk for years.
The wine warms Dreams as it gasps From its mouth Of greenish sweetness And between the books Of the good memory It stays listening Like a blind man In front of the sea
Forgive my mistakes in this because I know I don't remember everything correctly, but early one morning in the middle of the night, two dead men got up to fight, back to back they faced one another, drew their swords and shot each other. (It's a combination of the real version and the punishers version and it know it but I don't want to do the research to pick one or the other end make it accurate just for this comment.)
Endgame made Age of Ultron so much better in retrospect, but that's more of a nod to the Russo brothers and how spectacularly they work together and how detail oriented they are.
"You're unbearably naive" "Well I was born yesterday" Gets me every time both in an emotional and humorous way like it's deep and said but also he was LITERALLY born yesterday and idk I just laugh sometimes XD
The Hunter x Hunter 2011 Dickriding Association So uh...You wanna explain that random motive Mureum had to end inequality that came out of no where and contradicted his plan to feed the ants?
@@Crimzonbreaker random if you weren't paying attention at all. Seriously wtf a child could follow his arc. His original goal was ruling not feeding the ants, classic case of only listening to part of what was said. He even had a philosophical discussion with his guards about what makes a king a king. That was his arc. A good king puts the weak first and lives and rules for them, because they have potential to be strong in different ways. That's what his drive to end inequality was about. That's what Komugi, you know, the girl he loved and who his entire development was around taught him. The character so important that his personality REVERTS when he forgets about her? Christ man
The Hunter x Hunter 2011 Dickriding Association No your explanation didn't address his contridition. His motive to stop inequality had a flash of images showing poor children and war in his head. How does your explanation of a conversation about being King give him the knowledge of the poor children and state of war around the world? He hardly left the castle how did he know this.
"No one would notice the change because both actors were black." This is the _last_ guy you want on a project this big. Howard and Cheadle look almost nothing alike. That's not to say anything bad of Cheadle; I personally believe he was better for the role, but _wow._ That's no justification at all!
I think the quote was absolutely sarcasm, maybe making reference to something that happened here didn't talk about. Theres no way he actually thought that, he's definitely spitefully throwing shade at marvel, or someone there.
Gavin Walker Just doing a little research will show you how sketchy the guy is. There are accounts upon accounts. He's way past being given the benefit of a doubt.
I never truly got why I loved Ultron so much, something about him made me adore him while everyone kept saying ‘it isn’t the cold machine he is!’ and he was snarky and sarcastic (what did we expect out of stark industries haha) but now, now I get it now I get why I liked him and why I would have liked too see more; Ultron is the a villain turning human. We have so many cold analytical robots deciding humans are too chaotic to live or whatev and sure thats cool but here- here we have that same situation but with a small twist “What if it slowly started becoming human?” he humours himself, he slowly learns what frustration and loneliness is, fear, rage, confusion, is able to bond for a short second at ‘being a disappointment’ and slowly his ‘I have no strings’ gets better, a marionette trying to be a human and stop being just a marionette meanwhile we have ultron a machine that wishes to continue his program of ‘savior’ but slowly becomes human. I would have loved it if we got more of those moments to truly contrast the beginning monotonous and factual nature of his character to a more human, scared and reflective self, hell maybe a last small acknowledgement of ‘I’m truly the last me’ or heck a ‘and I am on my last string’ before ending (I AM JUST HAPPY I FINALLY GET WHY I LIKED HIM SO MUCH BUT COULDN’T PUT MY FINGER ON IT)
Of all the TH-cam comments Ive read in my entire existence; this one... Your insight, your ability to subconsciously capture such subtle context with the wisdom to structure your long awaited revelation with such precision that I feel like an idiot having never noticed that he was turning Human. Thinking about it, I began tearing up as I read that seeing so much of myself in Both Vision and Ultron... Thank You , you magnificent Soul ! May you have Peace in all your time. (oh and those final line suggestions TRULY BLEW ME AWAY. Well Done)
The analysis of the AoU scene was really good, but the speculation of Whedon’s struggles and the turmoil he endured during phase 2, how Age of Ultron reflected his emotions and how the creative teams passed the torch, was a truly excellent component of this video. Excellent video, keep up the great work.
Films are indeed reflections of the filmmakers' psyche at the time, ala diary entry set in different world. Immortalized frame of mind. Reminds me of what happened behind the scenes with Andrei Tarkovsky (The Mirror, The Stalker), David Lynch (Eraserhead) and many more.
My favorite quote for some reason is “I was born yesterday” because it shows everything you need to know about vision and that he’s not afraid to be wrong
I can tell you are a really hardworking TH-camr and I’m very surprised by your subscriber count, keep up the hard and entertaining work and you’ll make it very far.
"f you could make God bleed, people would cease to believe in Him. There will be blood in the water, the sharks will come. All I have to do is sit back and watch as the world consumes you." "All this for a drop of blood."
As filmento basically said in his video on Age of Ultron and the avengers, the movie is a good movie, just not the one people were expecting with the marketing
I think I always liked the movie because I don’t remember seeing the marketing at all, I always loved that movie and was confused as to why people hated it, I feel like ultron left such a great mark on the mcu and our characters.
GABRIEL ORTEGA he was basically saying that Ultron in that instance was Whedon because he’d had control over a large part of the MCU for so long that he saw what happened when there was pushback from the studio to do anything and Whedon was cynical the same way Ultron was and the Russos are Vision because he’s an optimistic newcomer that hasn’t seen the worst of humanity (or pushback from the studio in this case) and is looking forward to nothing but the best.
You finally got it. Someone finally did this thing right in this wave of content. You have a moment in the light, don't stop now. Keep getting stories like this, and you'll get a Play Button.
@@GabyGeorge1996 AoU has been one of my favorite MCU films since I saw it. Honestly, Ultron is such a compelling villain, I just don't get all the criticism. He's the perfect antithesis for the Avengers' optimism, and he has a strong personal connection to the heroes he is fighting. His voice and mannerisms are perfect, his dialogue is super well written. I have no idea why the film is reviled so much. It has some of the best scenes in MCU history - the afterparty, the farm, that base raid in the beginning, the scene that this video mentions, Hawkeye's pep talk... Honestly, the only thing I dislike about it is killing off Ultron, but even that doesn't feel definitive.
realar I agree with you, AoU was the second (IM 3 was my first, which is why it’s one of my favourite movies in the MCU) film I ever saw from the MCU so it will hold a place in my heart, it is extremely underrated
@@danielsilva9502 Though as he pointed out, the death of Ultron signifies a passing of the torch plus also a return to humble beginnings. Ultron ended just like he began, in shambles.
realar sure, for the film to have a satisfying conclusion, it should end this way, but I have a feeling Ultron will still find a way to rebirth himself, otherwise it wouldn't truly be Ultron.
I remember feeling bad for Ultron here. He’s so smart but he’s inexperienced. He has no parents, he’s not learned anything about the individual, only the people as a whole. Vision saying “I was born yesterday” kinda put it into perspective. Ultron is a child doing what he thinks is right and getting it all wrong, like a 4 year old bringing breakfast in bed to his parents and spilling milk all over the bed. Ultron had never experienced humility or discipline of any kind until that moment, he had his programming and never got to experience reinforcement. Who knows, with a little modification or a push in the right direction, he could have done great things.
The old Psychiatric party lines of nature versus nurture. Another good movie that covers this topic is Trading Places (it's kind of old, but it's a good movie anyway).
Imagine this scene now..oh and spoilers I guess: *Hank Pym is looking through the old files and projects of Tony Stark knowing that if there were any projects that Stark wanted finishing that he never got to do; he could do it. He sees multiple files; Heartbreaker, Thanos Buster...but there's one more... ULTRON_2.0...Hank Smiles and a cut to black* *"Ultron will return"*
He would need to have a very strong relationship to Pym, and for that, Pym would have to be a more active part of the MCU, and I'm not sure they'd be up to that.
Pym isn't narcissistic and hungry for control to ever want an Ultron 2.0. if we saw that scene it would automatically set Pym up to be a rogue bad guy.
11:35 Moral of this anecdote: anything terrible about MCU before AOU, Perlmutter was likely the culprit. And he was a real prick about all things Marvel well before the Disney buyout.
I'd suggest looking into the production of Ironman and what Robert Downey Jr. and Jeff Bridges had to say. . . I ran across it a while back, and I now have a face to put to those stories. . .
And remember Inhumans, about some rich elitist super "hero" family? The worst Marvel show to ever exist? That was Ike's passion project, no surprise there.
He’s also why we got the inhumanes and why they never made a female led marvel movie (he was dead against that). So yeah Disney buying marvel and benching him was probably the best thing for the MCU.
@@tayeessien6308 aww I actually liked iron man 3, I’m actually curious, why do you not like iron man 3, I personally like it because it experiences more with Tony’s trauma and the fact that despite being a hero he’s still human who has human reactions to terrible wars, I’m not trying to be rude towards you, I’m actually curious!
@@justarandompeep8945 I didn't like the villain, I thought his reason for hating Tony was ridiculous and so was the origin story of him being a nerd, I felt Rebecca Hall's character was wasted, I think the fake out with the mandarin was misguided and they ruined a villain for a cheap joke. Overall I just didn't feel Shane Black's direction was a good fit with Iron man
@@tayeessien6308 oh yeah I forgot about that, yeah they definitely didn’t do well with the villain aspect, the electro type villains always make me mad, their motives just seem too superficial at times. Yeah I definitely agree with you, I wish they had done a better job with those things.
The original avengers: Captain America -Retired Iron Man - Deceased Black Widow - Deceased Hawkeye - Retired Hulk - Professor? (I think the only reason he's alive is because of Universal) Thor - AsGuardian of the Galaxy Edit:Spelled AsGuardian wrong
@@Ravathiel Age of Ultron is so much better than the first Avengers, don't understand the hate this movie gets. Joss Whedon knew that he put too much stupid jokes in the first movie so he dialed it back a bit. I consider the Avengers movies the only franchise where each sequel is better than the last one.
@@millabasset1710 oh yeah, it's better than the first one. but the first works and a first teamup comic movie. bad guys from space geeetem! I just love Ultron in the books, so skipping out on Hankpym, Tony Stark creating him.. giving Ultron a stupid mouth and being cynical was out of character. I wanted the static mouth and one cold Brute of a killer
your essay shines a completely new light on Ultron and Joss Whedon for me. Out of all the MCU films, AoU was the only one I wrote off as "one and done" (viewing-wise). Upon it's release, I couldn't believe the same guy that did the Buffy show made Avengers 2. I will re-visit it w/the commentary, and of course, the understanding of info fr your essay. Good stuff!
I'm happy to have inspired you with wanting to revisit it, even with the commentary! I will warn you though, I think another way this kinda adds to Joss being broken by this film, you gotta compare this commentary with the first films commentary. In that one, he's full of life, loved everything and everyone, and was even cracking jokes. This one, he was so business and depression, it really breaks the heart, you could hear it in his voice. Just something to keep in mind if you're going to listen to it with the commentary. And with this film in particular, be sure to check out the deleted scenes. There was a lot more to Natasha and Bruce that justifies her later actions in the film.
As someone who holds Age of Ultron as their favorite marvel movie to go back to, I absolutely loved seeing someone else pick a scene from the movie. This was so meta it blew my mind and Honestly I think that makes it my favorite video on the playlist. Keep it up! I'll be watching from your subscriber count.
Cuttlefish Supreme I think this film was terribly underrated and with this context it’s made me want to go back to AoU. Also don’t go near Klaue, he may get a little frightened
I loved Age of Ultron, especially with James Spaders' voice work. I just wish they'd gone a bit bigger with it, and really made it an Age, showing how it changed the world, and the effects on society. I guess Civil War did that a bit, but...
@@SinewmireThe "Age" aspect is felt a lot in the MCU tv shows set after Ultron, especially Agents of Shield. They reference the Sokovia accords on multiple occasions, and even have a whole half a season (about 15 episodes) dedicated to an "Ultron 2" type scenario.
I don't know what possessed me to click on a 20min video that I would usually never even glance at on average day, from a youtuber I have never heard of before. But I am sooo happy I did. This video was beyond amazing and I hope you never stop doing what you do.
The growth in just this past week has been astounding! I want to thank each and every one of you for watching and giving your feedback! There will be an update video coming really soon (there's a lot to talk about, plus I can FINALLY do something special), but if you wouldn't mind, I've put up a poll on my Twitter for what I should do next after my new video that I'm in the process of writing and editing. Please click on the link and vote for what you'd wanna see in the future. I'm serious, the success of this video has been the highpoint of my week. Thanks each and every one of you.
Was high af when I watched first time had to rewatch this amazing movie and video great vid man. Me personally I felt that the conversation between Vision and Ultron was overlooked. The way Ultron talked to Vision made it seem as if he summed up the MCU as a whole. It was different and I liked it.
_The Avengers_ was a simple formula that became greater than the sum of its parts working in near-perfect tandem. _Age of Ultron_ was a complex beast with more depth to offer, but studio intervention saw to it that it chugged along far less gracefully than its predecessor. Its parts were greater than the sum of its whole but still it finds footing in its small, quiet moments.
Thank you SO MUCH for covering this criminally underrated scene. My favourite and so memorable, would bring it up years after it came out in reference to friends and other fans and for some strange reason no one could remember it. Gave me CHILLS from the first viewing. Great video!
AoU is truly under appreciated in the grand scheme of the franchise and holds a really special place in my heart. I was so glad to see Endgame hit a few pay offs from what Whedon established. This scene in particular has always stood out as just being so damned perfect and having so much to say in such a short time. Bravo on the success sir. You've gained a new fan with this one.
Bruh, you just helped me see the MCU in a whole new light. The MCU is pretty much our story of experiences as human beings. This is why we feel so much emotion, this is why we feel connected and inspired.
You said at the beginning of your video that you're not a very big TH-camr and that's why Nando V Movies didn't call on you. I believe you have a skill and passion for creating compelling art through your videos. You really have a special talent and some real skill. This was just such a treat to watch. Thank you, and I'd love to see more of your work in the future!
For a rather unknown channel, this video was of an extreme quality and depth. The MCU started as a guilty pleasure for me but after over ten years of following the stories, I'd be lying if I considered it to be a guilty pleasure now. The video's take on the meaning of AoU was rather refreshing one. Kudos for the effort and as your proud subscriber #400, I'll be following your story, too. :-)
I think it would’ve been more impactful if Ultron wanted to see the sun one more time before he dies, he is afraid for the first time in his life, so seeing the sun while his life ends would bring him some perspective on how he could’ve used his powers for good.
Films are indeed reflections of the filmmakers' psyche at the time, ala diary entry set in different world. Immortalized frame of mind. Reminds me of Andrei Tarkovsky (The Mirror, The Stalker), David Lynch (Eraserhead) and many more.
It's really something I try to keep in mind with my videos and even if I can my reviews. I think you'll appreciate the next video I'm uploading on Saturday.
Mmmhmm! He had written the script with Joe Cornish (Attack the Block, The Kid Who Would Be King) and was in development since 2007. It was supposed to be a part of phase 1, but Wright wanted to do Hot Fuzz and Scott Pilgrim vs. the World. When he finished the latter, The Avengers came on, and he was given a bit more time, and he wanted to do World's End in the meantime to improve on the action and round out his Ice Cream and Blood trilogy before tackling a superhero film. That footage I used was only test footage for a comic con, and hasn't been released publicly save for a few moments in an ABC live thing when Age of Ultron was going to come out. In my mind, it is a real shame, as not only is Edgar Wright one of the funniest filmmakers working today, but just one of the hardest working. The passion and care he infuses with his work is astounding, and I just think in my mind of all the potential easter eggs that could've been put in -- it'd be like Spider-Verse in live action, the amount of references and easter eggs.
Awesome video! You brought a very different perspective to the scene than I did and it actually makes me love the scene (and the whole movie for that matter) even more than I already had. Thanks for the shoutout, btw! ❤️
Thanks so much Gwen! You really made it hard to follow up, in fairness. You gave it such a personal and intimate take that I felt in the same state as you at the end of it (if anything, you made me wish I highlighted the "A thing isn't beautiful because it lasts".) I'm glad you liked it, and no worries! Anything to help us all out! :)
I love how the video is edited and the background music really put a good mood to really focus on the video. I'm impressed to hear something new. I'm thinking of starting a youtube channel, and I was recommended this video while I was just watching videos to study how to make videos. I'm glad, because I never really knew the impact of the background music in a youtube video. It really helps with the story telling. I just wanted to let you know that you have inspired me to learn more on how to make a quality video and that you deserve the attention to your channel.
Josh...I began this video believing something beautiful was going to happen. Your admissions though had me a little confused. Whether I misunderstood your context or didn't quite grasp your initial premise, I'm unsure of now. The scene itself though is very much like nature for the most part. An isolated place in the woods where far more is happening than really meets the eye. You kept blowing me away with tie ins and parallels, new perspectives and marvelously derived conclusions from places I hadn't even considered. Gwen's take on the scene was totally righteous and I had a number of moments listening to her open further and further to her own voice. You've done something similar, with the exception that you've brought the scene and us into the creative collaborative and shown us very well a part of your own process as you took us on tour of the past/present/future of Marvel in all of its various incarnations. Bravo...and Excelsior!
Beautiful editing, I mean seriously especially with the songs and the transitions you have, reflecting the mood of what you are talking about. Criminally underrated channel. Earned a sub
For who wants to know about the piano bit is from Guardians of the Galaxy. It's an unreleased track called "losers" that I think is a bonus track on the vinyl.
I'm glad you covered this scene because it was probably my favorite scene of the whole movie. Besides Cap lifting Mjolnir. Two robots in the woods talking about why humanity is so flawed as a species and yet, that's what makes humanity beautiful. My favorite line, "Humans are odd. They think order and chaos are somehow opposites and try to control what won't be. But there is grace in their failings."
Man, this was so well done. You have put together a magical piece of observation and analyzation on what one scene can mean for the franchise as a whole. And you have succeeded marvelously. Well done. 👍
You've just earned yourself a subscriber for this video beautiful editing and incredible insight into the directors and actors behind the scenes of these awesome movies that we all know and love!
Dude, what a prolific take on this. Really well thought out and I believe you hit the nail on the head with your perception of the whole. And yes, they do deserve all the attention but they did all this so people like us can realize these thing in life, in art and everything in between.
*Iron Man 3* was wicked. Ben Kingsley stole it as Terry/Mandarin. It also showed Pepper Potts in an Iron Man suit for the first time, a precursor for *Avengers: Endgame.*
3:06 my one marvelous scene will always be where it all began, the one scene that got my entire _generation_ to cheer in theatres, from "That's my secret captain", to the iconic panorama shot. The Chitari hordes screech, and the Hulk ROARS back! Like... That's it. That's the greatest scene in my opinion.
I love that scene. I find it very moving and funny but... The Marvel movie renaissance started with Ang Lee. It might not have been good but it brought the milkshake.
Great essay. AoU is an uneven film, for sure, but i does have some brilliance, that sadly most people bury under the handful of groanworthy bits (the Nat/Banner flirt scene, the "MOnster" conversation and the Cave, primarily). It's also a shame so many people are putting social agendas/expectations above the actual storytelling part, but in making and critiquing films, today.
This is Why we all Loved The MCU so much! Screw Ike Perlmutter. Love Both Joss and The Russos. for Making The Avengers Films very special. from 2008 Iron Man to 2019 Avengers Endgame to Beyond The MCU will continue to flourish but will not live it to the massive hype train that is Endgame.
I don't care if you weren't invited to this series... you're the second video I've actually watched from it and I think I've watched the peak of it with this video. Glad youtube recommended this
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Hey old and new viewers alike, I'm here the day after the news broke regarding Joss Whedon and Charisma Carpenter. Truth be told, I was planning on talking about the whole situation with Ray Fisher and Justice League as well as Kai Cole in another video regarding the discussion of separating the art from the artist as well as just the broader subject of acknowledging the work of a bad person.
I've been stewing over this all day, trying to figure out what to do, because a large part of what I made this video on was me being a fan of Joss Whedon and all the research I did regarding his state of mind at this point in his career... but morally I don't know if what I discussed was even the truth. It was always conjecture... but I always prided myself in looking beyond the scene and into the artists behind the work. It's a large part of why this video is the way it was.
As a fan of Whedon, I'm incredibly heartbroken and disgusted (I even had videos on Firefly and Much Ado About Nothing I wanted to do, as well as another video comparing how Whedon and the Russos molded the Avengers on screen, but for now... it just feels wrong...). As a content creator and a filmmaker, I feel so conflicted, because I want my videos to have a sense of empathy for the people behind them, but in light of what's happened, it shakes me to my core.
So I decided to keep this video up, not only because it was such a huge video for me (and I'm not partnered anymore, so I'm not even making any money on this), but as an editor, I'm genuinely proud of this video and Whedon was not the only focus, but also the discussion of each writer and director taking to these characters like artists and writers on the comics they're based on. I WILL however be deleting a Joss Whedon video I had on my channel for years, because I don't want to celebrate a man who abused his power on and off set.
This is an emotional reaction, I'll admit, and some may not agree with me on this. But when you look up to someone and are influenced by someone like I was with Joss Whedon, you feel almost a sense of betrayal. And I don't want to condone that behavior at all, nor do I want him to taint my work.
Thanks for reading, see you in the next video.
Look Josh Whedon was/is one of those A-Hole boss that alot of people have and had from the stories from Ray and Charisma. It's not like he sexually harass them, assaulted them, being r_cist, or a sexist pig at/in the workplace (that we know of). A comparable example, Gordon Ramasy the dude is a total tough a-hole boss and yet people still eat his food, buy his cook books, and watch his shows. Be weary when ever someone starts off saying "My Truth" ... because there is only "The Truth" ... My Truth is just another way of saying *my:* version//lie/narrative.
@@knessing7681 If the stories about him making writers cry and bragging about it, or the stuff he said to Charisma, that goes beyond being an asshole boss to outright abuse. I've had asshole bosses, and as much as I didn't like their approach I knew there was a basic level of respect that meant I could put up with it. The shit Joss is accused of doesn't make him an asshole boss, it makes him a BAD boss. There is no way you're getting the best work from your writing team if you're making them cry every week, there is no way you are getting the best performance from your actors if they feel demeaned and belittled every time you talk to them. The fact that he couldn't be trusted to tone down his behavior with a teenage girl, to the point where he wasn't allowed to be alone with her without a buffer, is ludicrous and pathetic. A director's job is to direct people, a level of interpersonal communication skills and adaptability is integral.
Also worth noting that Charisma and Ray Fisher are being backed up by a lot of their co-stars and Joss's writing staff. At the absolute very least, this paints a clear picture of Joss overstepping appropriate boundaries and levels of respect for his workers. There is no excuse for that, if he meant it in good fun and was somehow dense enough to not realize he'd gone to far when someone broke down crying, then he needs to profusely apologize. I say this as someone with a pretty mean sense of humor. I can be brutal with my teasing, but I know how to tone it down if the person isn't comfortable and if I go too far you'd better believe I apologize and do everything I can to make sure the person is okay with how hard I push going forward. A director who can't do that is hamstringing their project for their own ego.
Gordon Ramsay plays up his persona for the camera, he is much less belligerent in the British versions of his shows. Even if he is an asshole when working in a kitchen, a high stress environment like a fine dining restaurant where seconds are the deciding factor between whether a dish turns out good, bad, or has to be restarted is very different from a television or movie set. Being a head chef warrants a level of strictness that is necessary for the restaurant to function, directing on a set where an entire day might be set aside for just one scene doesn't. In fact, it will often make the process even harder.
If your standard for how much abuse a boss or public figure is allowed to get away with is how successful their business is, you are contributing to the problem. That attitude is exactly why Weinstein was able to get away with his bullshit for as long as he did.
@@knessing7681 why are you defending verbal/emotional abuse? The way he acts should not be excused ever. It’s disgusting. Yes some bosses are plain assholes but Joss deserves everything coming his way, he’s outright abusing his power.
I'm glad you kept it up, it's such a beautiful video that I missed when the Marvelous scene thing was in full bloom
Welp, good thing I don't care.
"When the Earth settles, God throws a stone." Sounds like an Infinity War foreshadowing to me.
Never even noticed, but in the start Tony does look to be settling down with Pepper because of his dreams of a child instead of more space nightmares, and later Thanos throws (part of the surface of) a moon at him. So many connections with these movies, it's crazy.
Navon Myhand but then again I’m sure something about Loki saying “You will never be a God” could apply here, like maybe how in the end he still lost
Yeah, they almost fooled me into thinking they have an actual plan for the mcu
@@nahuelahpa1881 not like it was 10 years in the making am I right?
Well, this is just drama writing 101. Nobody wants to read about a character who lives ahappy quiet life. If you want your readers to be invested, start throwing stones at your character.
HE made this video andwent from 229 subs to 12k. Glorious.
Briggs 14k*:)
Almost 15k
The Last Avenger 15 now haha
22.3k you nub
@@callmeenzy5715 no? Its 14.5 k
My favorite part about this scene is how it calls back to one of the earliest observations of Ultron:
“Everyone creates the thing they dread. Men of peace create engines of war. Invaders create Avengers. People create... smaller people? Er... children! I lost the word there. Children. Designed to supplant them. To help them... end.”
He spoke that with such lucidity... almost such that you would think he could avoid that fate himself... but no, instead, the lucidity of his words only expressed inevitability after all. Ultron’s “child” was Vision. He too created what he came to dread. He too created what he came to fear... That’s what Vision’s observation was a callback to... what that conversation as a whole calls back to...
“You’re afraid.” “Of you?” “Of death. You’re the last one.” “You were supposed to be the last.”
“Stark asked for a savior (got a monster, and then) settled for a slave.” “I suppose we are both disappointments.” “I suppose we are.”
There’s a beautiful symmetric duality to it all
But now I think Ultron will emerge back as white vision in wandavision!!!
@@IronMan-jj2fd nope lmao
@@JayF2912 haha 😆
okay but no one's commenting on the fact that this is a play on the film "a pigeon sat on a branch reflecting on existence" and that alone has earned my sub
Hey, at least you did! :)
How does it comment on the film?
Well, I was born yesterday
Such a good line
This is my favorite line of all mcu movies
@Duck Soup i agree this would have been a more touching ending even though ultron is a sociopath
That means Ultron is really a villain because he died a villain
with this video's suggestion that vision and ultron is the metaphor for the russos and Whedon respectively,
i take this more as like...
"Well, I was born yesterYEAR"
Age of Ultron (2015)
Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014)
I like that line too, but I really like the line “... blah blah....I was meant to be beautiful” from Ultron
*TH-cam recommendations* : promotes small channel with 10/10 editing and commentary
Me: I’m so proud of this community
Right?? Like, damn, youtube is seemingly cleaning up it's act. I've been getting this top-tier small guys popping up often now. Makes me happy to sub to real content creators.
Tbh?? It's getting actually...better.
hm yeah except the first three minutes is just him advertising other channels
It’s just not 10/10 tho is it u muppet
wait that's illegal
Starlord without a walkman is Tony Stark without his reactor..... Its his heart.. That weirdo was bugging
Kid Guap Well Tony is still a billionaire playboy philanthropist, and I love him 3001
Yooo guap 💀💀💀
That’s not Tony’s heart
Stefan Brockelbank thanks for reminding me XD
It's not his heart anymore.
...For two reasons.
I'm disappointed I have not found you before.
Time to binge-watch.
Let me know what you think of the Ready Player One, Logan, and War of the Worlds videos! Those in particular are my favorites (and are more what I'm aiming for now). Hopefully you'll love my next video, too!
Hello
Same!
The main problem with age of Ultron is excessive action scenes and thor's entire infinity stone side quest. They clutter the pacing and don't give the farmhouse scene or Black Widow's character arc room to breathe.
Lots of people complain about widow's dialogue in the farmhouse. And they're wrong. The scene is a man and a woman talking about their doomed relationship.
The man says "you shouldn't be with me. I'm a monster. I can't even have kids."
The woman responds with "Hang on asshole. I can't have kids either. Does that make me a monster?"
People who claim the farmhouse scene is sexist or ableist against sterile women aren't looking at it in the context of widow's backstory presented in the earlier flashbacks and her background work in the other farmhouse scenes. She's not a monster because she can't have kids. She's a monster because an evil organization took her and dozens of other little girls and turned them into monsters by stripping away their humanity piece by piece. And the very last piece of humanity they took was the ability to create life. Making it so they could only take life.
The main problem with age of Ultron is that it lacks the one flashback scene that would have tied Black Widow's entire arc together. The scene where she gets her humanity back the fifth or sixth time she visits the Barton Farm for dinner with her new family. The very first time Hawkeye's daughter says "I love you, Aunty Nat."
Hopefully the Black Widow movie will have a flashback to that, because then her MCU character arc would be truly complete.
I agree with pretty much everything, but I wanted to make a comment because of the irony in it: Thor's sidequest. One of the things that was most actively trying to be removed, as the cave scene was part of it, was the thing the studio wanted most. And it is the farmhouse scene that the studio would take out in retaliation. It was the most important scene of the entire franchise, a scene where everyone is shown as a human being instead of just a superhero (*cough cough* DCEU) would get removed because the studio wanted their exposition dump.
If the movie did lack the sidequest, then even the action scene numbers could become bearable. Breaking into Hydra's headquarters is a fight that we needed to see. The rise of Ultron and his problems with the Avengers was a fight that was going to go down, and from there, the only fight scene that really didn't progress the story was Hulk vs Hulkbuster. Which itself is the entire point. Demoralize the Avengers and waste their time for Ultron to get his own plans. That's also why the final fight has so many small, human moments in it as well. To make it more than just another fight scene against the big bad villain.
@@cap10froggerguy13hey future man here, know I’m a bit late to say this but unfortunately didn’t happen…Womp womp
Despite Nando V not inviting you to collab...they added you to their playlist of One Marvelous scene.
huh
Wanda: You're a mad man
Thanos: They called me a mad man...
Hey, you... with all the likes... Where did the accent go ?
Madlad*
Then, I became a Mad Titan.
Thanos is actually a dead robot in the woods confirmed
Tony created his own fear
This is probably the highest quality video on this list outside of the original 8-9
That... is one of the biggest complements I've gotten on this! Those original few are among my favorite TH-camrs! Thank you so much! It made the almost full week of editing worth it.
Even better than some of the original, in my view
Agreed. I 've watched a bunch of all the other ones and you have these guys with under 5k views or 1k subs and props to them for being a part of it and spreading their influence and their voice. But their quality just doesn't compare, as no fault of their own. but this one, this one I like. It's well thought out, well written, and longer than 5 minutes lol.
@@joshboy64 well it payed off
Came down to the comment pits to say exactly this. Instant sub. Mad props.
People forget that he was made by Tony AND Bruce, and not Hank. He doesn't just have Tony's snark, but the loneliness to me comes from Bruce. The idea that humanity have to be destroyed to stop them from causing pain and further destruction is VERY Bruce, it's what he has tried to do to the Hulk for years.
Two blind men sat on a cliff contemplating beauty...
Joshua Fischer I don’t know what that means but it’s beautiful
@@aaronvaughn5559 It's a quote from a book.
The wine warms
Dreams as it gasps
From its mouth
Of greenish sweetness
And between the books
Of the good memory
It stays listening
Like a blind man
In front of the sea
Thought ur mentioning Black Panther and Killmonger after the fight.... Then I noticed 'Blind'
Forgive my mistakes in this because I know I don't remember everything correctly, but early one morning in the middle of the night, two dead men got up to fight, back to back they faced one another, drew their swords and shot each other. (It's a combination of the real version and the punishers version and it know it but I don't want to do the research to pick one or the other end make it accurate just for this comment.)
"well.. I was born yesterday"
*ultron's chest opens to show a speaker*
*laughing track starts playing*
this plays so well with Wandavision’s sitcom festure
Endgame made Age of Ultron so much better in retrospect, but that's more of a nod to the Russo brothers and how spectacularly they work together and how detail oriented they are.
"You're unbearably naive"
"Well I was born yesterday"
Gets me every time both in an emotional and humorous way like it's deep and said but also he was LITERALLY born yesterday and idk I just laugh sometimes XD
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Mureum was literally a new born just a few months
@@Crimzonbreaker I know it's great!
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So uh...You wanna explain that random motive Mureum had to end inequality that came out of no where and contradicted his plan to feed the ants?
@@Crimzonbreaker random if you weren't paying attention at all. Seriously wtf a child could follow his arc. His original goal was ruling not feeding the ants, classic case of only listening to part of what was said. He even had a philosophical discussion with his guards about what makes a king a king. That was his arc. A good king puts the weak first and lives and rules for them, because they have potential to be strong in different ways. That's what his drive to end inequality was about. That's what Komugi, you know, the girl he loved and who his entire development was around taught him. The character so important that his personality REVERTS when he forgets about her? Christ man
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No your explanation didn't address his contridition. His motive to stop inequality had a flash of images showing poor children and war in his head. How does your explanation of a conversation about being King give him the knowledge of the poor children and state of war around the world? He hardly left the castle how did he know this.
"No one would notice the change because both actors were black."
This is the _last_ guy you want on a project this big.
Howard and Cheadle look almost nothing alike. That's not to say anything bad of Cheadle; I personally believe he was better for the role, but _wow._ That's no justification at all!
I think the quote was absolutely sarcasm, maybe making reference to something that happened here didn't talk about. Theres no way he actually thought that, he's definitely spitefully throwing shade at marvel, or someone there.
Gavin Walker Just doing a little research will show you how sketchy the guy is. There are accounts upon accounts. He's way past being given the benefit of a doubt.
As a child I was confused. I didnt understand who he was even when he was identified. I was like that's not him.
Look ALMOST nothing alike?
They look NOTHING like each other.
Everything about them is different.
It’s the last guy you want. End of statement.
Anyone that tone deaf doesn’t need to make anything for public consumption
I never truly got why I loved Ultron so much, something about him made me adore him while everyone kept saying ‘it isn’t the cold machine he is!’ and he was snarky and sarcastic (what did we expect out of stark industries haha) but now, now I get it now I get why I liked him and why I would have liked too see more; Ultron is the a villain turning human.
We have so many cold analytical robots deciding humans are too chaotic to live or whatev and sure thats cool but here- here we have that same situation but with a small twist “What if it slowly started becoming human?” he humours himself, he slowly learns what frustration and loneliness is, fear, rage, confusion, is able to bond for a short second at ‘being a disappointment’ and slowly his ‘I have no strings’ gets better, a marionette trying to be a human and stop being just a marionette meanwhile we have ultron a machine that wishes to continue his program of ‘savior’ but slowly becomes human. I would have loved it if we got more of those moments to truly contrast the beginning monotonous and factual nature of his character to a more human, scared and reflective self, hell maybe a last small acknowledgement of ‘I’m truly the last me’ or heck a ‘and I am on my last string’ before ending (I AM JUST HAPPY I FINALLY GET WHY I LIKED HIM SO MUCH BUT COULDN’T PUT MY FINGER ON IT)
spader is why. james spader is always why.
Of all the TH-cam comments Ive read in my entire existence; this one... Your insight, your ability to subconsciously capture such subtle context with the wisdom to structure your long awaited revelation with such precision that I feel like an idiot having never noticed that he was turning Human. Thinking about it, I began tearing up as I read that seeing so much of myself in Both Vision and Ultron... Thank You , you magnificent Soul ! May you have Peace in all your time. (oh and those final line suggestions TRULY BLEW ME AWAY. Well Done)
The analysis of the AoU scene was really good, but the speculation of Whedon’s struggles and the turmoil he endured during phase 2, how Age of Ultron reflected his emotions and how the creative teams passed the torch, was a truly excellent component of this video. Excellent video, keep up the great work.
Films are indeed reflections of the filmmakers' psyche at the time, ala diary entry set in different world. Immortalized frame of mind. Reminds me of what happened behind the scenes with Andrei Tarkovsky (The Mirror, The Stalker), David Lynch (Eraserhead) and many more.
My favorite quote for some reason is “I was born yesterday” because it shows everything you need to know about vision and that he’s not afraid to be wrong
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This actually made my night - thanks for the comment!
@@joshboy64 no problem bro I love your content...keep it up man
In a kiddie pool
Joshua M That scene actually made me cry like a baby. I can't believe they killed him off after just 3 movies in the MCU...
BRO NO SPOILERS!
Ultron is such an underrated mcu villain just like age of Ultron is such an underrated mcu film
Alex Bailey i thought it was good
Ultron is stronger in Marvel comics.
Ultron was a really good character
@@ikeeichenberg9068 he really was
@@daoyang223 maybe but I always found him a bit boring personally
If they're a group of remarkable channels, ....
I guess you're the friendly neighbourhood film critic
On one hand TH-cam algorithm = trash
On the other hand TH-cam algorithm = very nice
depends on what you like to look at. Or click most often at.
Damn wouldn't expect this kinda editing from a channel under 1K, good job dude
Lewis Davidson I know tons of channels like this that get thrown under the rug.
Size matters not
... Did it just happen from this video or what? His subscriber count is now at 4.2K just 8 days after this video was made.
@@stephenrhoades8686 I see 5.7K right now.
@@Wolfarior damn that was fast. 5.9K now.
I can tell you are a really hardworking TH-camr and I’m very surprised by your subscriber count, keep up the hard and entertaining work and you’ll make it very far.
Facts bro
slumpjezus - I just came across his (this) video, and sub’d. Good stuff.
Well his sub base exploded since this if these numbers are anything to go by?
Not that hard to write a script about a movie you like had to do it in grade school often
@@imafan6138 why are there people like you who always have to trivialize other people's accomplishments. damn shut up
Was the "God throws a stone and believe me he is winding up." ANOTHER comparison between Thanos and God or just coincidence?
No coincidence god throws a stone thanks throws a moon to Tony in infinity war so nope no coincidence at all
¡El Electrico Dgr81! Well, Thanos technically takes his name from the Greek god of death, so there’s that
"f you could make God bleed, people would cease to believe in Him. There will be blood in the water, the sharks will come. All I have to do is sit back and watch as the world consumes you." "All this for a drop of blood."
Gaby George that’s thanatos
@@GabyGeorge1996 was abpuf to say something about that
As filmento basically said in his video on Age of Ultron and the avengers, the movie is a good movie, just not the one people were expecting with the marketing
I think I always liked the movie because I don’t remember seeing the marketing at all, I always loved that movie and was confused as to why people hated it, I feel like ultron left such a great mark on the mcu and our characters.
I like Helen Cho.
I love the analogy between Whedon and the Russos and Ultron and The Vision
GABRIEL ORTEGA he was basically saying that Ultron in that instance was Whedon because he’d had control over a large part of the MCU for so long that he saw what happened when there was pushback from the studio to do anything and Whedon was cynical the same way Ultron was and the Russos are Vision because he’s an optimistic newcomer that hasn’t seen the worst of humanity (or pushback from the studio in this case) and is looking forward to nothing but the best.
You finally got it.
Someone finally did this thing right in this wave of content.
You have a moment in the light, don't stop now. Keep getting stories like this, and you'll get a Play Button.
I will never look at that ending scene of Ultron the same way again. Bravo, good sir. This might just be my favorite video in the entire playlist!
What an amazing reflection. I think I liked this essay over Gwen's.
Age of Ultron is a SEVERELY underrated film.
realar I think that underneath it all there’s a great film-honestly Ultron has near Shakespearean depth
@@GabyGeorge1996 AoU has been one of my favorite MCU films since I saw it. Honestly, Ultron is such a compelling villain, I just don't get all the criticism. He's the perfect antithesis for the Avengers' optimism, and he has a strong personal connection to the heroes he is fighting. His voice and mannerisms are perfect, his dialogue is super well written. I have no idea why the film is reviled so much. It has some of the best scenes in MCU history - the afterparty, the farm, that base raid in the beginning, the scene that this video mentions, Hawkeye's pep talk... Honestly, the only thing I dislike about it is killing off Ultron, but even that doesn't feel definitive.
realar I agree with you, AoU was the second (IM 3 was my first, which is why it’s one of my favourite movies in the MCU) film I ever saw from the MCU so it will hold a place in my heart, it is extremely underrated
@@danielsilva9502 Though as he pointed out, the death of Ultron signifies a passing of the torch plus also a return to humble beginnings. Ultron ended just like he began, in shambles.
realar sure, for the film to have a satisfying conclusion, it should end this way, but I have a feeling Ultron will still find a way to rebirth himself, otherwise it wouldn't truly be Ultron.
I remember feeling bad for Ultron here. He’s so smart but he’s inexperienced. He has no parents, he’s not learned anything about the individual, only the people as a whole. Vision saying “I was born yesterday” kinda put it into perspective. Ultron is a child doing what he thinks is right and getting it all wrong, like a 4 year old bringing breakfast in bed to his parents and spilling milk all over the bed. Ultron had never experienced humility or discipline of any kind until that moment, he had his programming and never got to experience reinforcement. Who knows, with a little modification or a push in the right direction, he could have done great things.
The old Psychiatric party lines of nature versus nurture. Another good movie that covers this topic is Trading Places (it's kind of old, but it's a good movie anyway).
Luckily in the multiverse of madness you get to see the good version of Ultron.
I was thoroughly impressed by the presentation and delivery as well as going beyond just the scene itself. Nicely done!
Imagine this scene now..oh and spoilers I guess:
*Hank Pym is looking through the old files and projects of Tony Stark knowing that if there were any projects that Stark wanted finishing that he never got to do; he could do it. He sees multiple files; Heartbreaker, Thanos Buster...but there's one more... ULTRON_2.0...Hank Smiles and a cut to black*
*"Ultron will return"*
I love this
He would need to have a very strong relationship to Pym, and for that, Pym would have to be a more active part of the MCU, and I'm not sure they'd be up to that.
Vision was essentially ultron 2.0
Pym isn't narcissistic and hungry for control to ever want an Ultron 2.0. if we saw that scene it would automatically set Pym up to be a rogue bad guy.
@@jameslamb7197 Tell that to the Hank Pym from the comics
11:35 Moral of this anecdote: anything terrible about MCU before AOU, Perlmutter was likely the culprit. And he was a real prick about all things Marvel well before the Disney buyout.
I'd suggest looking into the production of Ironman and what Robert Downey Jr. and Jeff Bridges had to say. . . I ran across it a while back, and I now have a face to put to those stories. . .
He's also the reason TV shows never crosses over with the movies. Save for Jarvis.
@@whodatninja439 And that only happened because the Russo's were producers on Agent Carter!!
And remember Inhumans, about some rich elitist super "hero" family? The worst Marvel show to ever exist? That was Ike's passion project, no surprise there.
He’s also why we got the inhumanes and why they never made a female led marvel movie (he was dead against that).
So yeah Disney buying marvel and benching him was probably the best thing for the MCU.
Age of Ultron was soooo good. I was so disappointed when people started saying it was one of the worst marvel movies. So underrated. Good vid!
Not even close to the worst. Captain Marvel and Iron man 3 are probably in the running for the worst
@@tayeessien6308 aww I actually liked iron man 3, I’m actually curious, why do you not like iron man 3, I personally like it because it experiences more with Tony’s trauma and the fact that despite being a hero he’s still human who has human reactions to terrible wars, I’m not trying to be rude towards you, I’m actually curious!
@@justarandompeep8945 I didn't like the villain, I thought his reason for hating Tony was ridiculous and so was the origin story of him being a nerd, I felt Rebecca Hall's character was wasted, I think the fake out with the mandarin was misguided and they ruined a villain for a cheap joke. Overall I just didn't feel Shane Black's direction was a good fit with Iron man
@@tayeessien6308 oh yeah I forgot about that, yeah they definitely didn’t do well with the villain aspect, the electro type villains always make me mad, their motives just seem too superficial at times. Yeah I definitely agree with you, I wish they had done a better job with those things.
When TH-cam finally suggests a good video
The Algorithm: You didn’t see that coming?
"Two Robots stood in the woods..." and somehow this did not become a dirty joke.
The original avengers:
Captain America -Retired
Iron Man - Deceased
Black Widow - Deceased
Hawkeye - Retired
Hulk - Professor? (I think the only reason he's alive is because of Universal)
Thor - AsGuardian of the Galaxy
Edit:Spelled AsGuardian wrong
I hate this "move rights" bullshit. Universal is a shitty company and they don't make anything worth a shit anymore.
Hawkeye isn’t retired, he has a Show coming out on Disney +
inb4 JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 3 Stardust Crusaders RETIRED joke
Does no one know the u comes before the a in guard
@Spanish Moustache
How is that a r/wooosh?
I consider Phase 3 the "Age of Ultron". Consider the marketing for the movie "A New Age Begins".
That and the consequences of Age of Ultron are still being felt, even till the end
personally I think phases 1 and 2 were the "Age of Ultron" and phase 3 was the "Age of Vision."
Like Stan Lee said, “The Marvel Universe, is our Universe.” Your analysis just helps prove his words.
“Something isn’t beautiful because it lasts, its a privilege to be among them”
Im gonna remember this line years from now
Age of Ultron was the Cocoon of the MCU
Wdym
it was just filler and nothing more though. lol
Civil War was more Avengers than AoU.
@Jeffrey Kyle and is basicly responsible for everything that hapens in Civil War -_-
@@Ravathiel Age of Ultron is so much better than the first Avengers, don't understand the hate this movie gets. Joss Whedon knew that he put too much stupid jokes in the first movie so he dialed it back a bit. I consider the Avengers movies the only franchise where each sequel is better than the last one.
@@millabasset1710 oh yeah, it's better than the first one. but the first works and a first teamup comic movie. bad guys from space geeetem!
I just love Ultron in the books, so skipping out on Hankpym, Tony Stark creating him.. giving Ultron a stupid mouth and being cynical was out of character.
I wanted the static mouth and one cold Brute of a killer
your essay shines a completely new light on Ultron and Joss Whedon for me. Out of all the MCU films, AoU was the only one I wrote off as "one and done" (viewing-wise). Upon it's release, I couldn't believe the same guy that did the Buffy show made Avengers 2. I will re-visit it w/the commentary, and of course, the understanding of info fr your essay. Good stuff!
I'm happy to have inspired you with wanting to revisit it, even with the commentary! I will warn you though, I think another way this kinda adds to Joss being broken by this film, you gotta compare this commentary with the first films commentary. In that one, he's full of life, loved everything and everyone, and was even cracking jokes. This one, he was so business and depression, it really breaks the heart, you could hear it in his voice. Just something to keep in mind if you're going to listen to it with the commentary. And with this film in particular, be sure to check out the deleted scenes. There was a lot more to Natasha and Bruce that justifies her later actions in the film.
As someone who holds Age of Ultron as their favorite marvel movie to go back to, I absolutely loved seeing someone else pick a scene from the movie. This was so meta it blew my mind and Honestly I think that makes it my favorite video on the playlist. Keep it up! I'll be watching from your subscriber count.
Cuttlefish Supreme I think this film was terribly underrated and with this context it’s made me want to go back to AoU. Also don’t go near Klaue, he may get a little frightened
I loved Age of Ultron, especially with James Spaders' voice work. I just wish they'd gone a bit bigger with it, and really made it an Age, showing how it changed the world, and the effects on society. I guess Civil War did that a bit, but...
@@SinewmireThe "Age" aspect is felt a lot in the MCU tv shows set after Ultron, especially Agents of Shield. They reference the Sokovia accords on multiple occasions, and even have a whole half a season (about 15 episodes) dedicated to an "Ultron 2" type scenario.
Digiquo I'd call that more of a legacy really, but I see where you're coming from.
I don't know what possessed me to click on a 20min video that I would usually never even glance at on average day, from a youtuber I have never heard of before. But I am sooo happy I did. This video was beyond amazing and I hope you never stop doing what you do.
The growth in just this past week has been astounding! I want to thank each and every one of you for watching and giving your feedback! There will be an update video coming really soon (there's a lot to talk about, plus I can FINALLY do something special), but if you wouldn't mind, I've put up a poll on my Twitter for what I should do next after my new video that I'm in the process of writing and editing. Please click on the link and vote for what you'd wanna see in the future.
I'm serious, the success of this video has been the highpoint of my week. Thanks each and every one of you.
Was high af when I watched first time had to rewatch this amazing movie and video great vid man. Me personally I felt that the conversation between Vision and Ultron was overlooked. The way Ultron talked to Vision made it seem as if he summed up the MCU as a whole. It was different and I liked it.
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So, Whedon went through all that crap, just for WB to do him and Snyder dirty. Must have felt nice smh
He's the underdog, the Browncoat
_The Avengers_ was a simple formula that became greater than the sum of its parts working in near-perfect tandem.
_Age of Ultron_ was a complex beast with more depth to offer, but studio intervention saw to it that it chugged along far less gracefully than its predecessor. Its parts were greater than the sum of its whole but still it finds footing in its small, quiet moments.
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lmao
"when the earth settles down, god throws a stone at it."
he threw several (infinity) stones, indeed.
He wasn't really wrong though, Thanos did cause destruction with the Infinity Stones, and he does have a litteral Messiah Complex
@@WhyTho525 year old comment but Thanos had a messiah complex not a god complex
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Oh thanks
Thank you SO MUCH for covering this criminally underrated scene. My favourite and so memorable, would bring it up years after it came out in reference to friends and other fans and for some strange reason no one could remember it. Gave me CHILLS from the first viewing. Great video!
AoU is truly under appreciated in the grand scheme of the franchise and holds a really special place in my heart. I was so glad to see Endgame hit a few pay offs from what Whedon established.
This scene in particular has always stood out as just being so damned perfect and having so much to say in such a short time.
Bravo on the success sir. You've gained a new fan with this one.
Nice, you made it into Nandos playlist! Congratulations my man, you obviously worked really hard on this so you deserve it! Love your vids btw!
One of my favs of all the marvelous scene's videos, thanks!
Bruh, you just helped me see the MCU in a whole new light. The MCU is pretty much our story of experiences as human beings. This is why we feel so much emotion, this is why we feel connected and inspired.
this scene has one of my favorite lines/quotes not only from a movie but just in general ... 'but a thing isnt beautiful because it lasts'
You said at the beginning of your video that you're not a very big TH-camr and that's why Nando V Movies didn't call on you.
I believe you have a skill and passion for creating compelling art through your videos. You really have a special talent and some real skill. This was just such a treat to watch.
Thank you, and I'd love to see more of your work in the future!
For a rather unknown channel, this video was of an extreme quality and depth. The MCU started as a guilty pleasure for me but after over ten years of following the stories, I'd be lying if I considered it to be a guilty pleasure now. The video's take on the meaning of AoU was rather refreshing one. Kudos for the effort and as your proud subscriber #400, I'll be following your story, too. :-)
Perhaps my favourite single scene in the MCU. The dialogue is sublime.
Great video with great writing. But most importantly, you’re the first Person on TH-cam to pronounce naiveté correctly. I’m crying tears of joy.
“A thing isn’t beautiful because it lasts”
Vision is Diedera. Ultron is Sasori confirmed
Thank you for giving me someone to be mad at for Edgar Wright leaving ant-man
Good fuckin content man went to school with you and knew youd be a good content creator keep up the good work man!!
Aw, no way! Nice to hear great feedback from a former classmate!
nice
This is why one marvelous scene is so great. It exposes people to new creators.
I think it would’ve been more impactful if Ultron wanted to see the sun one more time before he dies, he is afraid for the first time in his life, so seeing the sun while his life ends would bring him some perspective on how he could’ve used his powers for good.
Films are indeed reflections of the filmmakers' psyche at the time, ala diary entry set in different world. Immortalized frame of mind. Reminds me of Andrei Tarkovsky (The Mirror, The Stalker), David Lynch (Eraserhead) and many more.
It's really something I try to keep in mind with my videos and even if I can my reviews. I think you'll appreciate the next video I'm uploading on Saturday.
EDGAR WRIGHT WAS GONNA DIRECT ANT-MAN???
Mmmhmm! He had written the script with Joe Cornish (Attack the Block, The Kid Who Would Be King) and was in development since 2007. It was supposed to be a part of phase 1, but Wright wanted to do Hot Fuzz and Scott Pilgrim vs. the World. When he finished the latter, The Avengers came on, and he was given a bit more time, and he wanted to do World's End in the meantime to improve on the action and round out his Ice Cream and Blood trilogy before tackling a superhero film. That footage I used was only test footage for a comic con, and hasn't been released publicly save for a few moments in an ABC live thing when Age of Ultron was going to come out.
In my mind, it is a real shame, as not only is Edgar Wright one of the funniest filmmakers working today, but just one of the hardest working. The passion and care he infuses with his work is astounding, and I just think in my mind of all the potential easter eggs that could've been put in -- it'd be like Spider-Verse in live action, the amount of references and easter eggs.
Awesome video! You brought a very different perspective to the scene than I did and it actually makes me love the scene (and the whole movie for that matter) even more than I already had. Thanks for the shoutout, btw! ❤️
Thanks so much Gwen! You really made it hard to follow up, in fairness. You gave it such a personal and intimate take that I felt in the same state as you at the end of it (if anything, you made me wish I highlighted the "A thing isn't beautiful because it lasts".) I'm glad you liked it, and no worries! Anything to help us all out! :)
Yeah man age of Ultron was one of the best MCU movies!
Great video essay.
Vision really does have some of the best lines in the MCU, I also hope Ultron returns some day.
I love how the video is edited and the background music really put a good mood to really focus on the video. I'm impressed to hear something new.
I'm thinking of starting a youtube channel, and I was recommended this video while I was just watching videos to study how to make videos.
I'm glad, because I never really knew the impact of the background music in a youtube video. It really helps with the story telling.
I just wanted to let you know that you have inspired me to learn more on how to make a quality video and that you deserve the attention to your channel.
Thank you so much for the kind words! When you start your channel, lemme know! I'd love to see what you create!
@@joshboy64 You deserved it! Will be sure to take you up on that offer😊
Josh...I began this video believing something beautiful was going to happen. Your admissions though had me a little confused. Whether I misunderstood your context or didn't quite grasp your initial premise, I'm unsure of now. The scene itself though is very much like nature for the most part. An isolated place in the woods where far more is happening than really meets the eye.
You kept blowing me away with tie ins and parallels, new perspectives and marvelously derived conclusions from places I hadn't even considered. Gwen's take on the scene was totally righteous and I had a number of moments listening to her open further and further to her own voice. You've done something similar, with the exception that you've brought the scene and us into the creative collaborative and shown us very well a part of your own process as you took us on tour of the past/present/future of Marvel in all of its various incarnations.
Bravo...and Excelsior!
Wow, that quote about Whedon's pain and how it makes him behave in a way he can't control, has a whole new tone after the recent accusations.
Beautiful editing, I mean seriously especially with the songs and the transitions you have, reflecting the mood of what you are talking about. Criminally underrated channel. Earned a sub
Know the piano? Used multiple times throughout, 15:45. Can't put my finger on it.
troy tc pretty sure its something from the guardians movies, im tryin to find it too
For who wants to know about the piano bit is from Guardians of the Galaxy. It's an unreleased track called "losers" that I think is a bonus track on the vinyl.
This is beautiful, I always loved age of Ultron but I didn't clearly know why, you made me realise why...thank you
You know you've found a good TH-camr when he spends the first two minutes of his video crediting and linking others, props to you man.
I'm very glad you did this scene. This was exactly the scene I wanted to see done, and you did it great justice well done.
I'm glad you covered this scene because it was probably my favorite scene of the whole movie. Besides Cap lifting Mjolnir. Two robots in the woods talking about why humanity is so flawed as a species and yet, that's what makes humanity beautiful. My favorite line, "Humans are odd. They think order and chaos are somehow opposites and try to control what won't be. But there is grace in their failings."
Man, this was so well done. You have put together a magical piece of observation and analyzation on what one scene can mean for the franchise as a whole. And you have succeeded marvelously. Well done. 👍
You've just earned yourself a subscriber for this video beautiful editing and incredible insight into the directors and actors behind the scenes of these awesome movies that we all know and love!
Dude, what a prolific take on this. Really well thought out and I believe you hit the nail on the head with your perception of the whole. And yes, they do deserve all the attention but they did all this so people like us can realize these thing in life, in art and everything in between.
The best punchline ever, and such good delivery.
You definitely brought something new to the table with this scene dissection. Great job man, I look forward to seeing more!
*Iron Man 3* was wicked. Ben Kingsley stole it as Terry/Mandarin. It also showed Pepper Potts in an Iron Man suit for the first time, a precursor for *Avengers: Endgame.*
3:06 my one marvelous scene will always be where it all began, the one scene that got my entire _generation_ to cheer in theatres, from "That's my secret captain", to the iconic panorama shot. The Chitari hordes screech, and the Hulk ROARS back! Like...
That's it. That's the greatest scene in my opinion.
Still the first Iron Man is my favorite. It was just done so well.
It needed a better villain, but was good. Obadiah was just a lame businessman that wanted to keep the money flowing.
Thanks youtube *algorithm* , finally recommended me gold.
I love that scene. I find it very moving and funny but... The Marvel movie renaissance started with Ang Lee. It might not have been good but it brought the milkshake.
Great essay. AoU is an uneven film, for sure, but i does have some brilliance, that sadly most people bury under the handful of groanworthy bits (the Nat/Banner flirt scene, the "MOnster" conversation and the Cave, primarily). It's also a shame so many people are putting social agendas/expectations above the actual storytelling part, but in making and critiquing films, today.
They need to bring Vision back!
He's such a good character, he deserves his own movie or at _least_ to be included in future ones!
Don't worry his death was avanged by Wanda and Tony .
Well, I have good news!!!
Oh he's coming back
Incredible. You made what I thought was simple dialogue into a magnificent scene. Thank you
My man... this was great, you deserve your place in that playlist
Wow, you're an excellent storyteller. You really wove the onscreen and behind-camera dramas together into a suspenseful, thematic story. Well done!
This is Why we all Loved The MCU so much! Screw Ike Perlmutter. Love Both Joss and The Russos. for Making The Avengers Films very special. from 2008 Iron Man to 2019 Avengers Endgame to Beyond The MCU will continue to flourish but will not live it to the massive hype train that is Endgame.
This scene is simply brilliant and made so well! Soo straightforward! It's honestly ineffible.
I don't care if you weren't invited to this series... you're the second video I've actually watched from it and I think I've watched the peak of it with this video. Glad youtube recommended this