Fun fact: the Greek god of death is Thanatos, which I thought was funny. You may be thinking "wait the Greek god of death is Hades." No. He's god OF the dead. Thanatos kills people, Hades does the paperwork
I knew Thanos was perfect when 1. He DOES NOT lie, as bad his plan is, he knows it’s evil, but undertakes the task in a “noble” way in his own eyes. He is honest about it to himself and others. 2. He has NO CONTEMPT for the “avengers” specifically. He even lets some of them live, and some he even shows respect towards. He has no personal quarrel with them, they are simply an obstacle. As soon as he sees his task before him as greater than himself, he transcends the avengers and their little lives and motives. He is bigger than they are, more purpose-driven. His mission even transcends his OWN life.
Back in 2008, Thanos was only known inside the geek circles. Now he's among the greatest and most iconic villains of all time, among Darth Vader, and Heath Ledger's Joker.
Thanos is comparable to Joker when it comes to being a great villain. One is a psychological maniac whose goals you'll always wonder what, and one is a survivor and does what he thinks is right to save others.
I like how he said he did what he said he’d do. He didn’t trust himself to keep the stones out of pure temptation so he destroys them. Then he goes off to live an honest farm life in a cabin.
the story of Cincinataus comes to mind here, a man who did what he had to do, (Lead rome as an elected autocrat in a war) and once it was done, he walked away and went back to his farm. it was expected of him back then, but as we know now, that is a rare thing.
Didn’t he realize that eventually the population would continue to procriate and comeback to the way it was before the snap? He destroyed the stones so how would he or someone solve the problem then?
Yea he was living a peaceful farm life....before the avengers rolled up to his crib and ended him. I mean am I the only one who thought that was messed up?? Even for the avengers!!
@@cucabeludo3596 Bruh you cannot be so sure about that. What if in a planet only males were left over after the snap. And even if it does have a chance to come back then, how long would that even take.
Thanos in Infinity War: *Just wants the stones. Is more or less initially friendly to the Avengers until they attack him.* Thanos in Endgame: "I'm about to end this whole universe's career."
@@daemonace5910 Yeah, he was exposed to the fact that his life's work was about to be completely nullified by the Avengers, who he did not even know. With Nebula's recording he knew exactly how much he sacrificed for it and how persisten the avengers were in getting in his way. He was pissed, they made it personal.
He still was altruistic. He wanted to destroy the universe to build a utopia in the ashes after he realized that snapping half of life out of existence would fail. He believed that the universe was beyond repair in Endgame.
@@aster1sk294 That's the sad part. Imagine if they kept Thanos the main character of Endgame indirectly, with the last fight scene not ending with silent Thanos, but a thanos that realized he was in the wrong.
Daemon Ace He's the same guy. His motivation is the only thing that changed. He was just going to go the extra yard and just rewrite everything in his perfect view. No one remembers the snap, the universe is balanced, and no one can stop him.
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STOP STOP Yeah, I heard that from someone else (didn’t read the comics myself), but that sounds infinitely more interesting than “balance” Thanos. Killing one half of a population doesn’t fix overpopulation, it just restarts the process, until the population numbers correct themselves. Contrarily, death obsessed Thanos would have been interesting and could be explored in many different ways (he could be a cynic and kill everyone to end their miserable lives, he could be a sadist/sociopath and so it for the joy of killing, it could be a cult things like the Faceless Men in Game of Thrones, maybe he’s vengeful because everyone in his planet was killed and wants to avenge them by killing everyone, etc).
Any villain is the hero when you look at the world from his perspective as long as the villain is deluded enough. Thanos is a crazy dude who was driven mad by his entire planet "Lord of the Fly"-ing themselves off the face of the universe. His plan doesn't make sense to anyone with their sanity still intact, but it does to him. At least, that's the only explanation I could find for his plan making no sense if you think about it for more than a minute.
Avengers Endgame was a better film than Avenger's Infinity War. A lot less ridiculously absurd writing in its plot, and a closure story for the main Avenger's characters.
@@LordMalice6d9 infinity war is better than endgame in just about every way. Unless you think time travel, nebula network syncing and all the other randomness in the movie counts as good writing.
@@nated8678 And he had to swallow his losses because he believed it was his destiny--because he sees himself as a grandiose hero on a journey who honestly thinks he's doing the right thing. Brilliant villain.
Thanos in Infinity War: *Perfectly written villain* Thanos in Endgame: Woah buddy, this could have been a spoiler for Endgame. You better be more careful when browsing through the comments
A little late to the discussion, but another thing that makes Thanos stand out to me is that his sacrificial conviction is exactly what the heroes lack. He is willing to, and does, make sacrifices for his goals, while the heroes repeatedly pull their punches at the most critical moment, leading to their defeat. Although he's deeply flawed and definitely worthy of hate, he has an attribute that the heroes don't that could be seen as noble, depending on where you're standing. And what really drives it home is that the conclusion of the film doesn't give us any reassurances. Did the heroes earn their failure? Is their unwillingness to make sacrifices a noble ideal, or selfishly naive? Is it even that simple?
+AM Journal Disagree , the heroic archetype is strongly based on *literal , tangible* SELF-sacrifice , heroism much like love has its roots on putting the others before one-self but in a much broader way , Thanos is willing to sacrifice others for his goals , but his version of sacrifice is a more "cultural" version if you will , since he is sacrificing individuals that are very important to him , and in most human societies , that does count as part of one's own individualism. Thanos wouldn't sacrifice himself for the cause because ultimately , he values himself as much as his mission , or perhaps higher , he even states that he is the only one capable and willing. The nobility is in him sticking to the plan with or without hesitation , and not being sadistic , the nobility doesn't actually come from being willing to sacrifice others for his own cause. If anything the classic nobility that we've been completly de-sensitized from of the heros is much stronger and purer , which is why they're heros and Thanos is the villain.
@@juanme555 Yeah, definitely, you make a good point! I still think that the main downfall that the heroes fall prey to is their refusal to let their friends make voluntary sacrifices that may have been their only way of beating Thanos (though that's debatable, I suppose). It's a weird thing to think about, because, arguably, refusing to let one's friends die could be noble, but then, it could be selfish, if it costs the lives of others (which it does). Is it better to save the people you care about, or let them make the choice to give their life for the good of others? Which is more noble? We'll have to see how it shakes out in Endgame. It's just a shocking thing to see presented in a movie, none of the heroes being able to do what's necessary to beat the villain even when they have the chance and losing outright because of it. (Thor's failure to kill Thanos in time for instance, and I think there are several other similar moments.)
“I’m the only one who knows that. At least I am the only one with the will to act on it.” I know there is more to thanos than just that line but I still think that line sums him up.
I feel like Zemo was a better villain than Thanos. His character was easier to relate to, he used no super powers to manipulate everyone, and basically succeeded in breaking apart the Avengers. The events of Age of Ultron killed his family which gives the viewer a total understanding of why he would want to do what he does. I love Infinity War, but the moment Tony Stark sees his parents killed by Bucky in Civil War makes it the best Marvel film so far.
Christopher Pauley Thanos is automatically better because for someone as powerful as he was, his goal still required sacrifice... a major one at that. Zemo was already an empty vessel with nothing to lose.
@@BillykOTW The quality of the moments of "sacrifice" feel almost fake. "This day takes a heavy toll" the tears for Gomora. Those moments feel like something someone just put in because they knew that had to. Moments like when he just slaughtered the collector without hesitation or snapped lokis neck - that's Thanos' character. Sorry don't agree...
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Thanos: The universe is finite, I must eliminate half of the population if it is to survive. *SNAP* (Sixty years later - Population doubles back to original levels) Thanos: Do you think this is a ***** game?!
He wiped out half the universe because of a Malthusian proposition which could be overcome with a little creativity and something as strong as the infinity stones (Instead of wiping out half the universe, why not just make some more planets?). Killing half the universe seems like taking the easy way out. Oh yeah, and after wiping out half the universe, he goes and lives on a planet by himself. Guess Thanos doesn't practice what he preaches.
@Slow Motion Wiping out half the population or doubling the amount of resources have the same effect. Eventually populations will rise and you'll be in the same situation.However, unlike creating new planets, repeatedly killing half the population can be done indefinitely. You cannot indefinitely create new planets, eventually some areas will become too clustered, and any life in those areas will suffer the problems of what creating new planets was supposed to solve.
In the end of first endgame , when thanos sat and just looked at the sunset after the half world ended was really powerful moment , that’s why he was a great villian , he had great personality - dark and twisted but great
People always critics Thanos as having a dumb plan.But that’s EXACTLY the point.His motivation and determination to bring balance to the universe blinds him and leads him to a hole filled plan.
Word! I agree to a certain extent, but I think that just comes down to the villain having relatable motives. Many villains are intentionally over the top, so it makes it difficult for the viewer to imagine their actions applied to their own life. If the villain is relatable, then no matter what the actions are, they can be somewhat sympathetic and therefore effective. Hope you liked the video, my dude!
Hey there's a monument in the middle of America that states that one of the main goals of humanity is to seek balance with nature and reduce the population of the world to 500m.... seems like Thanos is rather soft on population control compared to that.
Earth's population doubled between 1950 and 1987 (2.5 billion to 5 billion in 37 years). That was the fastest doubling the human population has experienced, but regardless, a doubling from 3.85 billion back to the current 7.7 billion should happen in less than 50 years. There are a lot of sentient intelligent species in the MCU, some which would reproduce faster than humans and some slower, but needless to say, halving the population would only temporarily solve resource issues. Merely alleviate the problem by decades for some worlds, like Earth, and perhaps centuries at most, for some others. So Thanos' plan doesn't really make sense.. or rather, it wouldn't work.
I'm surprised this video hasn't given you a boom in subs. This was one of the most detailed dissections of a single character - albeit a now legendary one - and if this is what I'm to expect when I see more of your channel, then I hope others will come to see it the way I do
@@nakliid5652 no actualy stalin is drunk right now and hitler is raping a jew mussolini is at the barber i bet he will be bald soon :/ churchill is yelling at his radio for no reason hes talking about like never surrender or something idk no thanos actualy used his stones to get out of hell but satan is a real nice guy for real dude (PS one question) how is china doing know?
A lovely breakdown of, definitely, one of the best written villains in recent memory. A perfect demonstration that a comic book villain doesn't need to be silly.
Thanos was an amazing character in the comic, but the exact motivation wouldn't have translated to screen. They made him a flesh and blood person, with cold logic, but feelings too. Fascinating and very well done. Can't wait for Endgame.
I also love how he never yells, or raises his voice. Sure when he was fighting he screamed, but that's not what I meant. Almost every villain has to be this crazy, over the top, lunatic that screams all the time to enforce his authority. But not Thanos. He's alpha. He doesn't need to raise his voice to prove a point.
I love how honest he is. You don't doubt for a second that he truly believes that what he's doing is noble. Also, he doesn't immediately kill the heroes. He could have if he really wanted to but that wasn't his goal. He probably understood that the Avengers were good people doing what they thought was right, so he only tried to kill them if they kept on trying to stop him because his goal was the most important thing to him. I don't think we'll ever get a villain as good as Thanos again.
You know come to think of it, I actually admire Thanos as being one of the few MCU villains to actually accept defeat. Unlike most MCU villains who don’t take defeat too well. Thanos just sits there and takes it like a man.
Its so sad to see what happened to Thanos in Endgame. Not only to him the character in the sense of pain or destruction but also how much less interesting Endgame was compared to Infinity War
I think that's because Infinity war is seen from his perspective, therefore it's easier to see his point of view. Whereas endgame was more from the heroes point of view so you see him for the monster he really is.
Evening Star yeah. It shows us the real thanos, that even though his intensions seem good in infinity war, as soon as his “mercy” fails he resorts to complete destruction. I think it adds to his character, showing how far he’d really go, while also establishing that he is not fit to be a god because he doesn’t care about the universe, more about his own image of the universe. He actually lacks empathy, he can’t understand why no one else will feel grateful. I don’t think he ruined endgame or that his character really changed drastically off screen.
Evening Star Well said, that’s not a bad thing either. In fact it makes perfect sense, in infinity war, Thanos won completely, therefore it was seen from his POV, but in Endgame, The Avengers win so it makes more sense to show their POV.
What bugs me is the misapprehension that killing half a population will stop the population problem. It simply delays it ...for a SHORT while. If he tinkered with the fertility rate so growth is 0% he would have achieved his goal. And those who say “just double the resources” have the same misunderstanding of population ecology... just saying.
It’s never talked about. But I think he would see himself as a Shepard. Lead everyone afterwards. Proof he talks about teaching a grateful universe after he’s destroyed the last one.
musician here: I think the greatest moment in the film is the last note in the score: the music resolves to a major chord (happy), when most of the whole score up until then was in minor (more sad). this pairs extremely well with that slight smirk he gives: even if he went through self-torment to get what he wanted, making everyone miserable in the process (predominantly minor), he has gotten what he wants; the plot has resolved, as does the music.
Lmfao. Also to people defending me, really appreciate the love and you’re the real ones but it’s just a voicecrack. And I like the memes of it in the comment section.
Literally the only villain Marvel has that can top Thanos is Dr. Doom. Seriously, Dr. Doom is arguably the most complex comic book villain of all time. His goals are to prove to the whole universe how smart and powerful he is, bring his country Latveria to a new Golden Age, and to save his mother's soul from Mephisto. Two out of his three goals are sympathetic and can make us root for him. Not to mention that he actually "won" in recreating the entire multiverse in his image and actually do a good job in ruling it. He may be a terrible person to the heroes but to his people he is their beloved leader. He has all the makings of a great man yet his own pride and ambitions pull him back. Done right, he can be one of the greatest cinematic villains of all time.
best thing which caught me was he as a villain didnt want to kill people with bloodshed or whatever, which he could have done easily. he just wanted them to cease to exist with a snap
Whenever i hear the argument that he could have doubled the resources i directly think "He said it is finite". We dont know if this is true but because of his experience on titan HE is absolutly convinced that he cant just create stuff. even with the Stones so...
@@TheBigboy453 I guess even if someone would say that to him, he would just be like "You dont understand he universe in my view" He is , like i said, SO ABSOLUTLY CONVINCED that he would never even try any other method than reducing the amound of Living creatures in the universe. I think it is the same thing like when i say "Go kill yourselfe, then you will see that there is a god" I for my part am so absolutly sure that no god will save me when i shoot myself that i dont even need to try it to know that. And thats the same way thaos thinks about his Snap.. at least i guess
One of the greatest TV villains of all time is The Governor of The Walking Dead. He's just such a fucking ruthless, fucked-up dispicable yet strangely charming, likeable and badass asshole that I can't help but fucking love how much I hate him and all his fuckery. I'm a comic fan, but I dare say that TV Governor is FAR superior (sadly) to TV Negan, who is without a doubt the best villain of the comics. And TV Governor is easily better than comic Governor that's not even an argument.
Fisk was great in Season 1, I agree. Game of Thrones is also filled with villains that are well crafted, but because there are so many villains, it makes the really well crafted ones in that series stand out less. Theon Greyjoy is a good example. He does terrible, terrible things and betrays those closest to him...but his reasons for doing so were to try and reclaim his birth family's respect and love. In the long run, he pays for this betrayal so dearly that he can never have the love of either the Starks or the Greyjoys ever again. His life is tragic, and that to me is the most important mark of a great villain: someone you could see yourself being if you experienced the same things they did.
If you can include games. Handsome jack has to be the best written villain. Everything about him is so likable, but at the same time, you want to just tear him to pieces.
His story is basically identical with that of Sargeras from the Warcraft universe, except Sargeras intends to wipe the whole universe instead of 50% of it, for his own well-thought out reasons. As good as Thanos is written really, for me and I can imagine for many Warcraft universe fans, it felt like I was deja vu-ing the whole time, re-experiencing Sargeras' story.
What got to me about the death of Gamora is this: He had the power stone. He had the space stone. He was more than capable of stopping her fall, answer her final cries for help, have a change of heart. It wasn't out of his hands the moment he let go of her. Someone he cared about plummeting towards her death, and he had to allow it to transpire. He let it happen.
There’s a quote from Batman begins that I think can apply to Thanos pretty well especially with the “at least I’m the only one with the will to act on it” “If you make yourself more than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal, and if they can't stop you, then you become something else entirely. Legend”
@@GNParty Thinking about the first law of thermodynamics at the same time thinking that energy exists because of all types of matter and their reactions. I then now think that everything is in a way energy. potential, mechanical, radiated and electrical or whatever. If that is true then no he cant make it infinite, but my thoughts on the relation of matter and energy may be flawed as I have no True knowledge in this field and this is just me thinking out loud.
@@yuhHornerman Thanos could double food supply and precious metals once every 5 years. That's pretty close to infinite. Maybe even add giving intelligent life free solar panels and free Dyson swarm satellites. That's what I did in Stellaris (Stellaris > Civilization > Sims) But that wouldn't make nearly as interesting of a story. 😏
@@GNParty If what I said before is true he can't. Because that would still be making something from nothing. But also if what I said is true then it would also be true that he could reconstitute resources from other types of matter. It sounds similar to alchemy which is kind of fitting as is sits well with the law of equivalent exchange.
Emmanuel Mondesir agreed. But his whole motivation was to prove how the very idea of a deity like Superman is flawed. Which is vastly different from the comics, where he wants to rule the world and conquer Superman
@@TheLoneChemist actually...his motivations have evolved from that. he has went through multiple arcs in a role from neutral evil to an antihero to a super hero and finally to a hero.
Thanos is not thinking about double the reasources because he knows that social injustice is common in the universe, therefore more resources will go to the small % of rich and powerful on every planet, leaving the majority of universe still poor and hungry. He has got a point. It is brutal but makes sense to him.
Pretty good assessment. That "Why?" question is too often ignored in movie villains today or simply relegated to basic tropes (Greed, power, just being evil etc...). Hard to give a shit about them in any way other than their demise or being foiled. Having seen everything else up to endgame, and now taking a break from Marvel stuff (outside of standout characters such as Spiderman and Thor), I have to say...... I kinda wished they had ended the MCU arc at the end of infinity war. Sure, it's a bummer note to end on but was such a strong one. Everything after it in my opinion has been either disappointing (Endgame) or shite (Antman 2, Captain Marvel).
I think writers are still too afraid to make Thanos even more humane and believable. I think he could have even better dialogue in the next movie. All our heroes are short sighted, and that's something that needs to be emphasized by a villain.
I still believe that the joker is the best villain to ever exist, and the joker from tdk is best written/cinematic villain. You did bring up some good points tho
you do realize that all he did was wipe out half of life but all the issues, mindsets, cultures, systems and societies that lead the universe to that point of imbalance are still there right?, half of the humans are gone now... So?, they are gonna make hte same mistakes, grow out of proportion once again and end up in hte same pickle they were before thanos showed up, why?, because their mindsets and behaviors won't change because half of them turned into dust, that's the main reason why thanos's plan won't work, because the real cause of the problem was not even addressed.
I just noticed how of/in my top 5 favorite movies of all-time: Sicario Wolf of Wall Street Interstellar Inception and Slumdog Millionaire There are very few villains. I guess it goes to show, that making a villain themed plot, aka good guy(s) vs. bad guy (s) is extremely difficult. Bravo Russo brothers.
The reason Thanos is different in Infinity War to Endgame is because he's in control in Infinity War. He is confident and never really threatened except when Thor nearly takes him at the end. He is certain his goals will come to pass. He knows he has nothing to fear. In Endgame, he doesn't have control. He's violent and vicious because that's the only way to achieve his plans. He's a sociopath. He's got that under control in Infinity War because he has all the power. In Endgame, he knows that not only do his enemies have the Infinity Stones, but also that they've killed him before. He's rattled, he knows he has to take them seriously and throw everything at them. They didn't ruin his character in Endgame. It was an entirely logical progression of his character.
No it really wasn’t. A lack of control over a situation makes one desperate. It doesn’t make them throw out their goals, logic, plan, and motive. Also half of ur claims like Thanos caring about dying was contradicted in the movie. U can’t write the movie for the writers
@@kingorange7739 He only cares about dying if he dies before his Great Plan comes to pass. Afterwards he;s fine with whatever fate wills. I'm not excusing the writers. Endgame was hot garbage in comparison to Infinity War, and that made me really sad. I'm trying to come up with some headcanon that makes sense so I don't hate how this epic saga ended. I do think that what I said is a logical progression of the character, but the fact we have to discuss this shows how much the writers failed in showing Thanos' motivations in Endgame. I think what I said is a reasonable reading of the subtext, but there should have been a lot less sub and a lot more text in the movie. We shouldn't have to discuss this and watch theory videos and stuff to determine what happened and why.
@@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human I do not disagree with it being reasonable. Dude head canon is fine and I would argue it is the only way to prevent the inconistencies of Thanos from driving one mad. But that is the problem. We shouldn't have to make up reasons in our heads as to why Thanos has this change because the writers did not bother to write it in a way that makes sense. At the end of the day, we cannot write the movies for the writers.
Interesting concept of what really makes you a villain? , Having such a strong will to do good that nothing can stop you?, Or seeking revenge for the death of your fallen comrades....
Agreed. The antagonist was the system, the corrupted device for population control and obedience. Plus of course some key people like Pierce and Bucky* so the movie isn't 100% a debate about ideology. *Who the hell is Bucky?
He was always a 2 dimensional typical marvel villain. Just because he had a touching relationship with his daughter doesn't redeem him from having a dumb motivation and an even dumber plan.
If the villain is the hero of their own story and perspective, has somewhat understandable motives, isn’t unnecessarily evil, badass, overpowering to the protagonist but still winnable for the heroes, isn’t emotionless then you have a pretty good villain. If you read it closely it’s the same villain as Killmonger and Thanos, which just proves that this formula creates great villains.
i never found hatred for thanos in the movies, his logic was flawless without the stones. even in this world is some countries the thanos theory(T/M) would work.
3:32 is a perfect reason they should make a movie from Dr. Dooms perspective while fighting the F4. It would be something new and different. They should call it Doom: Latveria
I believe, that doubling the reasorces wouldn’t work, as within another hundred years or so, it will be back to overcrowded again. I believe, that wiping half the universe teaches everyone a lesson, because THAT will last forever. Obviously I don’t agree with it I’m just trying to argue the “double the resources” thing.
I mean he's just not intimidated by anything and only gets annoyed most of the time. His mind is constantly thinking about his next move so he can finally get to that farm in peace, everything that's gets in his way is meaningless to him, especially with the gauntlet.
@@TheLoneChemistWhat is your opinion on Dr. Emma Russell from Godzilla: King of the Monsters, whose plan was similar to Thanos' plan in Infinity War. Most people criticized her for the same reasons you say that Thanos is perfectly written.
Thank you, my child, for your praise.
...what did it cost?
Jack Stoutamore 1/14,000,605 scenarios
Thanos
*weeps in Korean*
Thanos are you related to Thanod?
Fun fact: the Greek god of death is Thanatos, which I thought was funny. You may be thinking "wait the Greek god of death is Hades." No. He's god OF the dead. Thanatos kills people, Hades does the paperwork
I knew Thanos was perfect when
1. He DOES NOT lie, as bad his plan is, he knows it’s evil, but undertakes the task in a “noble” way in his own eyes. He is honest about it to himself and others.
2. He has NO CONTEMPT for the “avengers” specifically. He even lets some of them live, and some he even shows respect towards. He has no personal quarrel with them, they are simply an obstacle.
As soon as he sees his task before him as greater than himself, he transcends the avengers and their little lives and motives. He is bigger than they are, more purpose-driven. His mission even transcends his OWN life.
Dwarves: am I a joke to you?
*Contempt, not content. I definitely didn't look at that for 30 seconds trying to read it lol
A normal villain would’ve killed Ironman
When give the time stone.
But honest ol Thanos did the right thing
Even if it meant his death.
Another good reason Thano's master plan blinds his "good" judgement, the same heroes he spared were the same heroes that led his demise.
This is a good comment but what do you mean he has no content for The Avengers that doesn't make any sense I think you mean contempt
Back in 2008, Thanos was only known inside the geek circles.
Now he's among the greatest and most iconic villains of all time, among Darth Vader, and Heath Ledger's Joker.
Thank you Russo brothers.
Agreed.
He really was inevitable.
@@darthsauron8052 don't forget the writers Markus and McFeely.
Thanos is comparable to Joker when it comes to being a great villain. One is a psychological maniac whose goals you'll always wonder what, and one is a survivor and does what he thinks is right to save others.
I like how he said he did what he said he’d do. He didn’t trust himself to keep the stones out of pure temptation so he destroys them. Then he goes off to live an honest farm life in a cabin.
the story of Cincinataus comes to mind here, a man who did what he had to do, (Lead rome as an elected autocrat in a war) and once it was done, he walked away and went back to his farm. it was expected of him back then, but as we know now, that is a rare thing.
Didn’t he realize that eventually the population would continue to procriate and comeback to the way it was before the snap? He destroyed the stones so how would he or someone solve the problem then?
He truly is a hero... from his point of view, which I think everyone would agree is the best type of villain.
Yea he was living a peaceful farm life....before the avengers rolled up to his crib and ended him. I mean am I the only one who thought that was messed up?? Even for the avengers!!
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Bruh you cannot be so sure about that.
What if in a planet only males were left over after the snap.
And even if it does have a chance to come back then, how long would that even take.
Thanos in Infinity War: *Just wants the stones. Is more or less initially friendly to the Avengers until they attack him.*
Thanos in Endgame: "I'm about to end this whole universe's career."
Change of personality n motivation
@@daemonace5910 Yeah, he was exposed to the fact that his life's work was about to be completely nullified by the Avengers, who he did not even know. With Nebula's recording he knew exactly how much he sacrificed for it and how persisten the avengers were in getting in his way. He was pissed, they made it personal.
He still was altruistic. He wanted to destroy the universe to build a utopia in the ashes after he realized that snapping half of life out of existence would fail. He believed that the universe was beyond repair in Endgame.
@@aster1sk294 That's the sad part. Imagine if they kept Thanos the main character of Endgame indirectly, with the last fight scene not ending with silent Thanos, but a thanos that realized he was in the wrong.
Daemon Ace He's the same guy. His motivation is the only thing that changed. He was just going to go the extra yard and just rewrite everything in his perfect view. No one remembers the snap, the universe is balanced, and no one can stop him.
Can we all just appreciate the fact that a studio, for the first time I know of, hyped a major film up for years, building up to it for a very long time, and actually didn’t mess anything up and made an almost flawless film?
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Xplosives I know. The movie so easily could have gone wrong with so many characters and plot lines. But it didn’t 🔥🔥🔥.
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I think he was talking about infinity war
@@appledough3843 I read the comment wrong
Ikr?! Infinty War was something else I don't know how Endgame will top it.
@@Grimloxz Test screenings of end game have gone really well apparently
Comic Thanos: A thirsty virgin
Movie Thanos: Basically a hippie
*Eco-terrorist
Emil Andreasson Thanos isn’t a virgin. I think the “What Thanos Did On His Free Time” established that
A neomalthusian hippie, but a hippie still..!
@@youknowwhoiam2771 in the comics, thanos was obsessed with "death". Death is a hot girl.
STOP STOP Yeah, I heard that from someone else (didn’t read the comics myself), but that sounds infinitely more interesting than “balance” Thanos. Killing one half of a population doesn’t fix overpopulation, it just restarts the process, until the population numbers correct themselves.
Contrarily, death obsessed Thanos would have been interesting and could be explored in many different ways (he could be a cynic and kill everyone to end their miserable lives, he could be a sadist/sociopath and so it for the joy of killing, it could be a cult things like the Faceless Men in Game of Thrones, maybe he’s vengeful because everyone in his planet was killed and wants to avenge them by killing everyone, etc).
A proper villain is one where he is a hero when you look at the world from his perspective 🔥🔥🔥
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Any villain is the hero when you look at the world from his perspective as long as the villain is deluded enough. Thanos is a crazy dude who was driven mad by his entire planet "Lord of the Fly"-ing themselves off the face of the universe. His plan doesn't make sense to anyone with their sanity still intact, but it does to him. At least, that's the only explanation I could find for his plan making no sense if you think about it for more than a minute.
In my opinion I like Infinity War more as a film.
I like Endgame more in an emotional standpoint. If that makes sense.
Avengers Endgame was a better film than Avenger's Infinity War. A lot less ridiculously absurd writing in its plot, and a closure story for the main Avenger's characters.
@@LordMalice6d9 infinity war is better than endgame in just about every way. Unless you think time travel, nebula network syncing and all the other randomness in the movie counts as good writing.
LordMalice6d9 endgame sucked
Endgame was a little bit to fan servicy for me.
Infinity War: Better Story
Endgame: Better movie
It was his smile at the end that sold me. That wasn't a victorial smile, or a smile of success. It was a smile of relief
It was almost a forced smile. Thanos, despite completing his goal, still lost. He lost the only thing he ever loved.
@@nated8678 And he had to swallow his losses because he believed it was his destiny--because he sees himself as a grandiose hero on a journey who honestly thinks he's doing the right thing. Brilliant villain.
Actually made me feel kinda bad for him with what happened during the first half hour of Endgame...
_Whoops_ - that was almost a spoiler, wasn't it..?
@@PeteTheGrouch lol I wouldn't worry about it, everyone who cares about spoilers should have seen it by now.
@@nated8678 Except he doesn't really love her. He loves Death, the entity. He's a lovesick, mad Titan. He was rewritten to the worse.
Thanos has a simple goal: "If I don't kill 50%, 100% will face extinction."
But he'll recreate the world to be an utopia...that's his true simple goal, he just changed the means to do it because his first attempt failed
GEICO: saves 15%
Thanos: saves 50%
@@vitorguerreiro3902 its actually not dumb. Just think about will you
Skum Don But the thing is, it’s actually stupid as fuck
Nationalsozialist Hans killing half so the other half can live better
Thanos in Infinity War: *Perfectly written villain*
Thanos in Endgame:
Woah buddy, this could have been a spoiler for Endgame. You better be more careful when browsing through the comments
I want to click read more so bad but I haven't seen endgame
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A little late to the discussion, but another thing that makes Thanos stand out to me is that his sacrificial conviction is exactly what the heroes lack. He is willing to, and does, make sacrifices for his goals, while the heroes repeatedly pull their punches at the most critical moment, leading to their defeat. Although he's deeply flawed and definitely worthy of hate, he has an attribute that the heroes don't that could be seen as noble, depending on where you're standing.
And what really drives it home is that the conclusion of the film doesn't give us any reassurances. Did the heroes earn their failure? Is their unwillingness to make sacrifices a noble ideal, or selfishly naive? Is it even that simple?
AM Journal agreed. Insightful take! Thanks for watching, my dude.
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Disagree , the heroic archetype is strongly based on *literal , tangible* SELF-sacrifice , heroism much like love has its roots on putting the others before one-self but in a much broader way , Thanos is willing to sacrifice others for his goals , but his version of sacrifice is a more "cultural" version if you will , since he is sacrificing individuals that are very important to him , and in most human societies , that does count as part of one's own individualism.
Thanos wouldn't sacrifice himself for the cause because ultimately , he values himself as much as his mission , or perhaps higher , he even states that he is the only one capable and willing.
The nobility is in him sticking to the plan with or without hesitation , and not being sadistic , the nobility doesn't actually come from being willing to sacrifice others for his own cause.
If anything the classic nobility that we've been completly de-sensitized from of the heros is much stronger and purer , which is why they're heros and Thanos is the villain.
@@juanme555 Yeah, definitely, you make a good point!
I still think that the main downfall that the heroes fall prey to is their refusal to let their friends make voluntary sacrifices that may have been their only way of beating Thanos (though that's debatable, I suppose). It's a weird thing to think about, because, arguably, refusing to let one's friends die could be noble, but then, it could be selfish, if it costs the lives of others (which it does). Is it better to save the people you care about, or let them make the choice to give their life for the good of others? Which is more noble?
We'll have to see how it shakes out in Endgame. It's just a shocking thing to see presented in a movie, none of the heroes being able to do what's necessary to beat the villain even when they have the chance and losing outright because of it. (Thor's failure to kill Thanos in time for instance, and I think there are several other similar moments.)
"We don't trade lives, Captain".
Thanos stole the show without a doubt he was so well done and he sucks you in, the Avengers seem like just a supporting cast.
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Well this movie was thanos’s. Not the avengers. It is evident in the movie
10:32 Loki was the perfect one to say this because Loki also wanted to be a god and learned from his ways.
Character development
Dude I really felt bad for him... he just turned his life to good and then gets killed
So true.
Loki is a god tho
Loki is a God. That's why he said that to Thanos, he knows what it is to be worshipped.
“I’m the only one who knows that. At least I am the only one with the will to act on it.” I know there is more to thanos than just that line but I still think that line sums him up.
If you think about it, Zemo succeeded in what he desired. He was a good villain too.
and it's no coincidence that the russo brothers also directed that movie as well
I feel like Zemo was a better villain than Thanos. His character was easier to relate to, he used no super powers to manipulate everyone, and basically succeeded in breaking apart the Avengers. The events of Age of Ultron killed his family which gives the viewer a total understanding of why he would want to do what he does. I love Infinity War, but the moment Tony Stark sees his parents killed by Bucky in Civil War makes it the best Marvel film so far.
Christopher Pauley Thanos is automatically better because for someone as powerful as he was, his goal still required sacrifice... a major one at that. Zemo was already an empty vessel with nothing to lose.
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The quality of the moments of "sacrifice" feel almost fake. "This day takes a heavy toll" the tears for Gomora. Those moments feel like something someone just put in because they knew that had to. Moments like when he just slaughtered the collector without hesitation or snapped lokis neck - that's Thanos' character. Sorry don't agree...
@@christopherpauley8174 That the beauty of art. We all don't have the same opinions 😁
Alexander Pierce was a good villain imo. His motive was understandable and Robert Redford's acting was incredible.
STONEMATT agreed that Redfords performance was very good. I just didn’t find his motives that compelling. But, like the rest of the video, just my personal preference. Thanks so much for watching!!
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*The hardest choices require the strongest wills.*
Thanos: The universe is finite, I must eliminate half of the population if it is to survive. *SNAP*
(Sixty years later - Population doubles back to original levels)
Thanos: Do you think this is a ***** game?!
*Thanos: Am I a joke to you ?
Do you think this is a sex game?!
He wiped out half the universe because of a Malthusian proposition which could be overcome with a little creativity and something as strong as the infinity stones (Instead of wiping out half the universe, why not just make some more planets?). Killing half the universe seems like taking the easy way out. Oh yeah, and after wiping out half the universe, he goes and lives on a planet by himself. Guess Thanos doesn't practice what he preaches.
@@slowmotion40 Thanos was so obviously wrong. I find his motivation to be pretty dumb, but yeah... The movie was fine.
@Slow Motion
Wiping out half the population or doubling the amount of resources have the same effect. Eventually populations will rise and you'll be in the same situation.However, unlike creating new planets, repeatedly killing half the population can be done indefinitely. You cannot indefinitely create new planets, eventually some areas will become too clustered, and any life in those areas will suffer the problems of what creating new planets was supposed to solve.
the hulk becomes shrek in endgame
so true
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@Will Daniels we have a fucking idiot
dont spoil shrek 5 fucking trashbag
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In the end of first endgame , when thanos sat and just looked at the sunset after the half world ended was really powerful moment , that’s why he was a great villian , he had great personality - dark and twisted but great
Guys, Endgame was just one of the 14,000,605 possibilities.
which means dr strange watched endgame before all of us
@Servine dr strange is a true master for not spoiling endgame for an entire year. Props to him
@@brandondinh9225 I mean Strange was dead for 5 years so even if he wanted to spoil it he couldn't
I wanna see a blooper reel of all those possibilities, like if the rat had missed the button haha.
TheDoctor Fez i want marvel to make the 14million timelines into a movie where thanos wins
People always critics Thanos as having a dumb plan.But that’s EXACTLY the point.His motivation and determination to bring balance to the universe blinds him and leads him to a hole filled plan.
Yep. Whether the plan would actually work is irrelevant to his character. The fact that he believes it will is what is important. Thanks for watching.
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the best villian is the one where the viewer can think it can happen in his own life.
Word! I agree to a certain extent, but I think that just comes down to the villain having relatable motives. Many villains are intentionally over the top, so it makes it difficult for the viewer to imagine their actions applied to their own life. If the villain is relatable, then no matter what the actions are, they can be somewhat sympathetic and therefore effective. Hope you liked the video, my dude!
Hey there's a monument in the middle of America that states that one of the main goals of humanity is to seek balance with nature and reduce the population of the world to 500m.... seems like Thanos is rather soft on population control compared to that.
@@Peremptor What monument is that?
@@Lord_Muggs Georgia Guidestones
Thanos: Snaps fingers
The Universe: Reproduces
Thanos: Am I a joke to you?
Uh he meant snap half of life so other half to thrive will limited resources
@YugenDran 101 did you get the joke?
@@mr_overdrive9216 Nope brother i don't even realise this is joke haha
Earth's population doubled between 1950 and 1987 (2.5 billion to 5 billion in 37 years).
That was the fastest doubling the human population has experienced, but regardless, a doubling from 3.85 billion back to the current 7.7 billion should happen in less than 50 years.
There are a lot of sentient intelligent species in the MCU, some which would reproduce faster than humans and some slower, but needless to say, halving the population would only temporarily solve resource issues. Merely alleviate the problem by decades for some worlds, like Earth, and perhaps centuries at most, for some others.
So Thanos' plan doesn't really make sense.. or rather, it wouldn't work.
@@cykeok3525 keep in mind that thanos snapped half the universe, not just earth, so 70% of earth could still be alive or 25%
I don’t see thanos as a villain, I see him as an anti-hero
I would say anti villain at best villain at worst
Jaden Bryant that’s why ultron is nothing compare to thanos
He killed half the universe...
@@randomname1915 so the other half can live
Congratulations, you don't understand what the word an anti-hero means.
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i dont see thanos as a villian he is just someone with a different perspective
thats wy im actually for him!
I think his motive is very relavent in todays world.
Hey genocidal mao zedong. How are u doing in the hell with Stalin, Hitler, Churchill and mussolini. Is thanos with you all?
But if u think about it he could’ve just created some more resources
Thanos proves a very good point. Killing Half of the universe would give us more time.
@@nakliid5652 no actualy stalin is drunk right now
and hitler is raping a jew
mussolini is at the barber i bet he will be bald soon :/
churchill is yelling at his radio for no reason hes talking about like never surrender or something idk
no thanos actualy used his stones to get out of hell
but satan is a real nice guy for real dude
(PS one question) how is china doing know?
A lovely breakdown of, definitely, one of the best written villains in recent memory. A perfect demonstration that a comic book villain doesn't need to be silly.
Megamind is a perfectly written villian
SmokingPulp yooooooooooooooo
I'd argue he is more of an antihero; he never came across as genuinely villainous.
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if you come up with the ridiculous name megamind, you know they will never be a great villan
Not a real villan
Thanos was an amazing character in the comic, but the exact motivation wouldn't have translated to screen. They made him a flesh and blood person, with cold logic, but feelings too. Fascinating and very well done. Can't wait for Endgame.
If they've copied the Thanos from the comics, IW would be "NAHHH"
If they've copied the Thanos from the comics, IW would be "NAHHH"
I also love how he never yells, or raises his voice. Sure when he was fighting he screamed, but that's not what I meant. Almost every villain has to be this crazy, over the top, lunatic that screams all the time to enforce his authority. But not Thanos. He's alpha. He doesn't need to raise his voice to prove a point.
I love how honest he is. You don't doubt for a second that he truly believes that what he's doing is noble. Also, he doesn't immediately kill the heroes. He could have if he really wanted to but that wasn't his goal. He probably understood that the Avengers were good people doing what they thought was right, so he only tried to kill them if they kept on trying to stop him because his goal was the most important thing to him. I don't think we'll ever get a villain as good as Thanos again.
The movie should've been called Thanos: Infinity war he was that good.
You know come to think of it, I actually admire Thanos as being one of the few MCU villains to actually accept defeat. Unlike most MCU villains who don’t take defeat too well. Thanos just sits there and takes it like a man.
sportsmanship at its finest
Its so sad to see what happened to Thanos in Endgame. Not only to him the character in the sense of pain or destruction but also how much less interesting Endgame was compared to Infinity War
I think that's because Infinity war is seen from his perspective, therefore it's easier to see his point of view. Whereas endgame was more from the heroes point of view so you see him for the monster he really is.
Evening Star well said.
Evening Star yeah. It shows us the real thanos, that even though his intensions seem good in infinity war, as soon as his “mercy” fails he resorts to complete destruction. I think it adds to his character, showing how far he’d really go, while also establishing that he is not fit to be a god because he doesn’t care about the universe, more about his own image of the universe. He actually lacks empathy, he can’t understand why no one else will feel grateful. I don’t think he ruined endgame or that his character really changed drastically off screen.
You got to remember the brilliant Thanos you love was dead after Thor killed him. The Thanos you see from then on is the 2014 version
Evening Star Well said, that’s not a bad thing either. In fact it makes perfect sense, in infinity war, Thanos won completely, therefore it was seen from his POV, but in Endgame, The Avengers win so it makes more sense to show their POV.
What bugs me is the misapprehension that killing half a population will stop the population problem. It simply delays it ...for a SHORT while. If he tinkered with the fertility rate so growth is 0% he would have achieved his goal. And those who say “just double the resources” have the same misunderstanding of population ecology... just saying.
It’s never talked about. But I think he would see himself as a Shepard. Lead everyone afterwards. Proof he talks about teaching a grateful universe after he’s destroyed the last one.
@@Dannymiles1987 I saw it as a punishment so that people will learn from it and do better next time
And he is a great villain to use for memes
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Thanos is such a cool character, easily my favorite mcu villian and character
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TonyDracon better then steppenwolf.... the cgi looked if he was a villain from a cheap ps2 game
musician here: I think the greatest moment in the film is the last note in the score: the music resolves to a major chord (happy), when most of the whole score up until then was in minor (more sad). this pairs extremely well with that slight smirk he gives: even if he went through self-torment to get what he wanted, making everyone miserable in the process (predominantly minor), he has gotten what he wants; the plot has resolved, as does the music.
It literally just occurred to me that the Avengers have to... avenge... half the universe.
Finally....
"If we can't protect the Earth you be damn well sure that we will Avenge it "
"Avenge the fallen"?
Avenger the fallen...
Suuuuure it did.. it randomly occurred to you...
5 Subsribers With No Videos Challenge Uh, yeah. That’s how thought works sometimes.
14:04 what happened to your voice mate?
*DaUghter*
It was just so emotional that he couldn't contain it.
Its called the human voice ...if your acting like it has never happened to you then your a idiot or a liar
yeah you probably wouldn't know tends to happen to people who have actually hit puberty so i guess that's why you don't know
its a joke yall being triggered by him saying this? lmao
Lmfao. Also to people defending me, really appreciate the love and you’re the real ones but it’s just a voicecrack. And I like the memes of it in the comment section.
Literally the only villain Marvel has that can top Thanos is Dr. Doom. Seriously, Dr. Doom is arguably the most complex comic book villain of all time.
His goals are to prove to the whole universe how smart and powerful he is, bring his country Latveria to a new Golden Age, and to save his mother's soul from Mephisto. Two out of his three goals are sympathetic and can make us root for him. Not to mention that he actually "won" in recreating the entire multiverse in his image and actually do a good job in ruling it. He may be a terrible person to the heroes but to his people he is their beloved leader.
He has all the makings of a great man yet his own pride and ambitions pull him back. Done right, he can be one of the greatest cinematic villains of all time.
If Marvel Studios can do a well-written cinematic Dr. Doom like what they did with Thanos, then that would be incredible.
Thanos was perfectly balanced, as all things should be
so if thanos is the "hero" who is the "Villian"?
Man that was incredible brother. Perfect.
best thing which caught me was he as a villain didnt want to kill people with bloodshed or whatever, which he could have done easily. he just wanted them to cease to exist with a snap
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One of my fav memes ever is someone pointing out to thanos that he could have snapped and doubled all of the resources instead of halving all life.
Whenever i hear the argument that he could have doubled the resources i directly think "He said it is finite". We dont know if this is true but because of his experience on titan HE is absolutly convinced that he cant just create stuff. even with the Stones so...
Did he ever try? You can never truly know if you never try.
@@TheBigboy453 I guess even if someone would say that to him, he would just be like "You dont understand he universe in my view" He is , like i said, SO ABSOLUTLY CONVINCED that he would never even try any other method than reducing the amound of Living creatures in the universe.
I think it is the same thing like when i say "Go kill yourselfe, then you will see that there is a god"
I for my part am so absolutly sure that no god will save me when i shoot myself that i dont even need to try it to know that.
And thats the same way thaos thinks about his Snap.. at least i guess
@@oliverebbing6637 ok.. fair enough, actually a really great example that you used
Thanos is absolute in his convictions so there would be no convincing of him otherwise.
@@TheBigboy453 i hope we will see some arguments about that in avngers endgame 😊at least a little bit
Another nearly perfect villain of late fulfilling these rules is Wilson Fisk in the Daredevil season 1 (not so much the second time).
Matias Kiviniemi Fisk was very entertaining to watch!
In the first season, it was much easier to sympathize with Fisk. But I still thought he had a very commanding presence in the third season.
One of the greatest TV villains of all time is The Governor of The Walking Dead. He's just such a fucking ruthless, fucked-up dispicable yet strangely charming, likeable and badass asshole that I can't help but fucking love how much I hate him and all his fuckery. I'm a comic fan, but I dare say that TV Governor is FAR superior (sadly) to TV Negan, who is without a doubt the best villain of the comics. And TV Governor is easily better than comic Governor that's not even an argument.
Fisk was great in Season 1, I agree. Game of Thrones is also filled with villains that are well crafted, but because there are so many villains, it makes the really well crafted ones in that series stand out less. Theon Greyjoy is a good example. He does terrible, terrible things and betrays those closest to him...but his reasons for doing so were to try and reclaim his birth family's respect and love. In the long run, he pays for this betrayal so dearly that he can never have the love of either the Starks or the Greyjoys ever again. His life is tragic, and that to me is the most important mark of a great villain: someone you could see yourself being if you experienced the same things they did.
JR N I personally can’t stand season 1 maybe I should give it another chance
the moment when Thanos smiles and looks out at the sunset makes the viewer feel so conflicted
If you can include games. Handsome jack has to be the best written villain. Everything about him is so likable, but at the same time, you want to just tear him to pieces.
Agreed
Gnarly Narwhal Play Spec Ops The Line, the main character IS the villain but tries to believe he is good
Commander Shimi god, spec ops the line was so fucking good
His story is basically identical with that of Sargeras from the Warcraft universe, except Sargeras intends to wipe the whole universe instead of 50% of it, for his own well-thought out reasons.
As good as Thanos is written really, for me and I can imagine for many Warcraft universe fans, it felt like I was deja vu-ing the whole time, re-experiencing Sargeras' story.
What got to me about the death of Gamora is this: He had the power stone. He had the space stone. He was more than capable of stopping her fall, answer her final cries for help, have a change of heart. It wasn't out of his hands the moment he let go of her. Someone he cared about plummeting towards her death, and he had to allow it to transpire. He let it happen.
i think adrian veidt from watchmen was also a fairly good villain
rabid tf yeah wtf.... if anything it’s pretty much copied from watchmen! Why does no one ever think about this :/
@@Puppy_Puppington Watchmen is garbage
Puppy Puppington he’s boring basically
There’s a quote from Batman begins that I think can apply to Thanos pretty well especially with the “at least I’m the only one with the will to act on it”
“If you make yourself more than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal, and if they can't stop you, then you become something else entirely. Legend”
Like he said Everything is finite. He cant create more from nothing. master of the universe it may be true, but master of a finite universe as well
Can't he make it infinite if he wanted to?
@@GNParty Thinking about the first law of thermodynamics at the same time thinking that energy exists because of all types of matter and their reactions. I then now think that everything is in a way energy. potential, mechanical, radiated and electrical or whatever. If that is true then no he cant make it infinite, but my thoughts on the relation of matter and energy may be flawed as I have no True knowledge in this field and this is just me thinking out loud.
@@yuhHornerman
Thanos could double food supply and precious metals once every 5 years.
That's pretty close to infinite. Maybe even add giving intelligent life free solar panels and free Dyson swarm satellites. That's what I did in Stellaris (Stellaris > Civilization > Sims)
But that wouldn't make nearly as interesting of a story. 😏
@@GNParty If what I said before is true he can't. Because that would still be making something from nothing. But also if what I said is true then it would also be true that he could reconstitute resources from other types of matter. It sounds similar to alchemy which is kind of fitting as is sits well with the law of equivalent exchange.
If the power of the stones is finite.... why are they called the INFINITY stones?
I mean Lex quote fits with his comic character...
Lex only believe in humanity but only as long as hes the one leading it
Emmanuel Mondesir agreed. But his whole motivation was to prove how the very idea of a deity like Superman is flawed. Which is vastly different from the comics, where he wants to rule the world and conquer Superman
@@TheLoneChemist actually...his motivations have evolved from that. he has went through multiple arcs in a role from neutral evil to an antihero to a super hero and finally to a hero.
koushik raja we’re talking about lex Luther, not Superman.
@@TheLoneChemist I'm talking about Lex in the current comics-or the more recent ones from the new 52 to the current iteration.
koushik raja the subject was Lex in BVS
Thanos is perfectly balanced, as all things should be...
Yeah, Thanos has sat himself in my “Favorite villain in anything.” Spot.
Same bro, same
That was truly lovely Thank you so much!
Great video man. I'm showing this to anyone who tries to argue.
Geez, Marvel actually made a great villain. Up until Civil War, I didn't even know that was possible.
He is truly the perfect villain
14:03 epic voice crack
John Pepito the voice crack that started the Big Bang
Thanos is not thinking about double the reasources because he knows that social injustice is common in the universe, therefore more resources will go to the small % of rich and powerful on every planet, leaving the majority of universe still poor and hungry. He has got a point. It is brutal but makes sense to him.
Pretty good assessment. That "Why?" question is too often ignored in movie villains today or simply relegated to basic tropes (Greed, power, just being evil etc...). Hard to give a shit about them in any way other than their demise or being foiled.
Having seen everything else up to endgame, and now taking a break from Marvel stuff (outside of standout characters such as Spiderman and Thor), I have to say...... I kinda wished they had ended the MCU arc at the end of infinity war. Sure, it's a bummer note to end on but was such a strong one. Everything after it in my opinion has been either disappointing (Endgame) or shite (Antman 2, Captain Marvel).
A perfectly balanced villain, as all should be.
I think writers are still too afraid to make Thanos even more humane and believable. I think he could have even better dialogue in the next movie. All our heroes are short sighted, and that's something that needs to be emphasized by a villain.
I knew already that Thanos is the best villain ever, I just wanted to see your reasons :)
I dunno..... The joker is The Dark Knight has the high ground.
I have the high ground anakin
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I still believe that the joker is the best villain to ever exist, and the joker from tdk is best written/cinematic villain. You did bring up some good points tho
Tru, I think we can both relate better to this video th-cam.com/video/pFUKeD3FJm8/w-d-xo.html
Watch entire Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood and you'll change your mind.
laz kar 😂 im not saying thanos is shit, i just think joker is better
FafexYabin i have watched fma, its fuego
laz kar thanos is worse
Thanos isn't a villain he is a superhero who successfully defeated bunch of villains and made the universe stable.
you do realize that all he did was wipe out half of life but all the issues, mindsets, cultures, systems and societies that lead the universe to that point of imbalance are still there right?, half of the humans are gone now... So?, they are gonna make hte same mistakes, grow out of proportion once again and end up in hte same pickle they were before thanos showed up, why?, because their mindsets and behaviors won't change because half of them turned into dust, that's the main reason why thanos's plan won't work, because the real cause of the problem was not even addressed.
He is the true stable genius
Hi redditor
I just noticed how of/in my top 5 favorite movies of all-time:
Sicario
Wolf of Wall Street
Interstellar
Inception
and Slumdog Millionaire
There are very few villains.
I guess it goes to show, that making a villain themed plot, aka good guy(s) vs. bad guy (s) is extremely difficult.
Bravo Russo brothers.
god interstellar is amazing
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*Indeed, very deep storytelling…*
_(and since black holes where involved that can be implied literally)_
The reason Thanos is different in Infinity War to Endgame is because he's in control in Infinity War. He is confident and never really threatened except when Thor nearly takes him at the end. He is certain his goals will come to pass. He knows he has nothing to fear.
In Endgame, he doesn't have control. He's violent and vicious because that's the only way to achieve his plans.
He's a sociopath. He's got that under control in Infinity War because he has all the power.
In Endgame, he knows that not only do his enemies have the Infinity Stones, but also that they've killed him before. He's rattled, he knows he has to take them seriously and throw everything at them.
They didn't ruin his character in Endgame. It was an entirely logical progression of his character.
James Bennett and also it was a different time if that makes he was younger and more arrogant
No it really wasn’t. A lack of control over a situation makes one desperate. It doesn’t make them throw out their goals, logic, plan, and motive. Also half of ur claims like Thanos caring about dying was contradicted in the movie. U can’t write the movie for the writers
@@kingorange7739 He only cares about dying if he dies before his Great Plan comes to pass. Afterwards he;s fine with whatever fate wills.
I'm not excusing the writers. Endgame was hot garbage in comparison to Infinity War, and that made me really sad. I'm trying to come up with some headcanon that makes sense so I don't hate how this epic saga ended.
I do think that what I said is a logical progression of the character, but the fact we have to discuss this shows how much the writers failed in showing Thanos' motivations in Endgame.
I think what I said is a reasonable reading of the subtext, but there should have been a lot less sub and a lot more text in the movie. We shouldn't have to discuss this and watch theory videos and stuff to determine what happened and why.
@@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human I do not disagree with it being reasonable. Dude head canon is fine and I would argue it is the only way to prevent the inconistencies of Thanos from driving one mad. But that is the problem. We shouldn't have to make up reasons in our heads as to why Thanos has this change because the writers did not bother to write it in a way that makes sense. At the end of the day, we cannot write the movies for the writers.
Interesting concept of what really makes you a villain? , Having such a strong will to do good that nothing can stop you?, Or seeking revenge for the death of your fallen comrades....
If only he knew my guy just double the resources instead of destroying half of people double the resources
*incredibly written character
i for one do not entirely see him as a villain
in winter soldier the antagonist was HYDRA and they did a very good job. not someone in particular, their motivation was clear.
Agreed. The antagonist was the system, the corrupted device for population control and obedience.
Plus of course some key people like Pierce and Bucky* so the movie isn't 100% a debate about ideology.
*Who the hell is Bucky?
Hail Hydra!
They made 2014 thanos in Endgame a 2 dimensional typical marvel villain.
He was always a 2 dimensional typical marvel villain. Just because he had a touching relationship with his daughter doesn't redeem him from having a dumb motivation and an even dumber plan.
Zus Frankenstein I know many “good” men with no motivation and no plan. At least Thanos had one and stuck to his convictions.
Charlie Macdonald 2014 thanos already saw his plan being completed but got undone. 2014 thanos was out for blood and he was pissed
Charlie Macdonald yeah but he was more arrogant less wise saw them kill him and try to reverse his work
This I think is the best villain break down I have ever seen
Austin Fink truly means a lot. glad you liked it, my dude!
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Meanwhile Thanos could’ve just created an extra copy of every planet and connected them with a quantum tunnel with his gauntlet
If the villain is the hero of their own story and perspective, has somewhat understandable motives, isn’t unnecessarily evil, badass, overpowering to the protagonist but still winnable for the heroes, isn’t emotionless then you have a pretty good villain. If you read it closely it’s the same villain as Killmonger and Thanos, which just proves that this formula creates great villains.
i never found hatred for thanos in the movies, his logic was flawless without the stones. even in this world is some countries the thanos theory(T/M) would work.
3:32 is a perfect reason they should make a movie from Dr. Dooms perspective while fighting the F4. It would be something new and different. They should call it Doom: Latveria
Thanos: you should’ve gone for the head
Thor: You know, I was thinking that. But then I thought, nahh... the arm is good.
We Already Knew Thanos Is Perfect But Anyway Thanks
This makes me want a Thanos Prequel
I believe, that doubling the reasorces wouldn’t work, as within another hundred years or so, it will be back to overcrowded again.
I believe, that wiping half the universe teaches everyone a lesson, because THAT will last forever.
Obviously I don’t agree with it I’m just trying to argue the “double the resources” thing.
"his own dAUgHter gamora"
Absolutely agree. After watching Endgame, I cannot agree more. I just can't express how much I love and respect these movies.
What's makes a supervillan: PRESENTATION!
That was a SCARY parallel take of our current situation on so many levels, WOW
I remembered the Bond villain. And the villain from taken. J/S, but I know for sure the “AVENGERS END GAME” is by far the best marvel movie.
And you broke down exactly why THANOS is the best villain in the Marvel Movies. I put him up there with “Joker” and Bane.
perfectly written, as all villains should be
lol
Well said
Perfectly referenced, as all comments should be
yes.
Ill Omens lol
One thing I love about thanos is that he’s very calm and soft-spoken, it makes him even scarier
Agree
Yeah. He doesn't need to scream to scare the audience.
Yeah when he knows he is going to die he's calm
I mean he's just not intimidated by anything and only gets annoyed most of the time. His mind is constantly thinking about his next move so he can finally get to that farm in peace, everything that's gets in his way is meaningless to him, especially with the gauntlet.
It made him feel like he genuinely believed that he was fighting for a good cause no matter the means.
"Understandable beings that are slaves to their imperfections." I really like this quote! That's what humans are!
ryadh456 much love fam, thanks for the compliment.
@@TheLoneChemistWhat is your opinion on Dr. Emma Russell from Godzilla: King of the Monsters, whose plan was similar to Thanos' plan in Infinity War. Most people criticized her for the same reasons you say that Thanos is perfectly written.
Infinity War: Villians Story
Endgame: Heroes Story
They were both amazing
God damn that’s the purest description of these movies
Matt Scallon Perfectly balanced.
Mr. Yeet As all things should be.
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
Thanos in the comics was a simp
Joshua Ellerson truer words have never been spoken. thanks for watching fam. stay safe and healthy.
That's why it was the writers' responsibility to make this version an absolute chad
He wanted to clap Helas cheeks
@@Chuked meh close enough
@@childishbambino2024 he wanted to clap DEATHS HERSELF cheeks