I remember when that horrible woman in charge, resigned with a huge pension, and pay off. She knew all along that these people were innocent. Absolutely disgraceful.
Another teflon coated shite, they must go to a special school, to learn how to be complete and utter barstewards and pick up a teflon jacket when they qualify.
@@Andrew-rc3vhI know some executives were given bonuses (£10,000?) because they HAD to appear before the Commons Select Committee investigating Post Office. There's probably still videos on TH-cam.
She was the very top executive of the Post Office. All responsibility ends with her. Why is she not in prison serving a hefty sentence? The fact that she STILL holds an OBE is abhorrent and an insult to her victims.
She should be made to pay for the Post Office mistakes and wrongful prosecution of a lot of innocent sub postmasters. Taking back her CBE should be a start!
It wasn't wrongly accused, it was falsely accused, the boss decided it was cheaper to falsely accuse postmasters as thieves rather than recall the Horizon system. She committed a serious criminal act, destroyed hundreds of people's lives, so she should be behind bars for life for what she did, deliberately.
Giving back the CBE is the bare minimum requirement. This woman, all the other senior post office staff involved, plus all the Fujitsu employees responsible for the software should jointly be charged and face time in prison. Conspiracy to pervert the course of justice would probably fit the evidence. The compensation for all the victims should be in the millions each, and a lot of that should come out of the personal finances of all the offenders, so that they are all bankrupt and penniless too.
Exactly, this is criminal action from the PO management. They prioritised their own bonuses, reputations and honors, not to mention cushy side jobs as directors etc, at the expense of honest hardworking post masters. Then tried to cover it up. Recover their salaries, strip the honors and then prosecute. Full pardons and compensation for the victims
Paula Vennells was an C of E ordained lay preacher. So much for Christian values and charity. Well done a local reporter from a BBC regional news programme and Private Eye for keeping this injustice to the fore so the postmasters have reached this prominence.
Yes Politics and Religious oligarch eletitisum Regimes are the scourge of the world, they are only concerned about going forth to multiple, at what cost to the Minions throughout the world, evil breeds evil, in the name of Religious and Political coults 2024 etc etc etc etc, enough is enough for all our children of tomorrow ❤❤❤❤❤❤
She has done wonders for the church that we can't trust a person who professes to be a Christian. She can return to her church while in prison! I do hope she loses any money she received on leaving the Post Office and she definitely gets her CBE removed.....
Public flogging and lifetime in jail should make a good example. Failure of government is the highest form of failure and should have the strictest consequences.
Just another career Civil Servant. The Service, NHS, Armed Forces and Public sector are packed with them . They just cover each others backs , move jobs very two years and retire on mega pensions and get a job in the Charity sector.
Not only should she be stripped of her honour ,she should be charged with making false and malicious allegations leading to miscarriages of justice. Someone in her elevated position should have prevented this from occurring in the first instance, but she pursued these postmasters with zeal to hoist her own image in the eyes of shareholders.
Several post office bosses and Fujitsu employees lied in court during the postmaster's trials. They should all be charged with perjury and sent to jail.
Not only that, there are Civil Servants who knew what was going on, not to mention Sir Ed Davey who according to the Guardian was Postal Affairs minister at the time, and was approached for a meeting with the post masters stating in writing that he didn't believe a meeting “would serve any purpose”, he basically turn a blind eye and covered his ears!
God Bless Andrew Bridgen he pushed and pushed to help this tragic story see the light of day. Heartfelt sympathies for all the people so devastatingly affected, sadly not all are here today to speak out. All the very best for the future one and all, justice will be served. Xx
For the Post Office and Fujitsu just to ignore the fact that this was happening all over the country was criminally negligent. It should never have happened.
You want to see what Fujitsu says on there website about . There global purpose to make the world more sustainable by building trust in society ,what a load of bollocks ,I will never buy anything that is made by Fujitsu ever again.
They did not ignore it. They were fully aware that it was the software, it’d be impossible for them not to know as the apparent thefts only happened after Horizon was installed. It was a fully intentional fuckover and they were bankrupting people with the full knowledge that they never actually stole.
Absolutely disgusting what the CEO or manager has done to these people she should be going to jail for what she has done to them and handing back everything to the government that she has received
If i prosecuted someone for something they didn’t do when I knew the evidence was faulty I’d expect to be prosecuted myself. Quite why she and all her colleagues should effectively get away with it is a serious miscarriage of justice.
Criminal prosecutions MUST follow. People made unemployed and bankrupted. People arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned. People committed suicide. All because the Post Office refused to admit they had severe problems with the Horizon computer system and knowing that tried to pass the blame to the sub-postmasters.
Given that the Post Office were trusted to be awarded their own specialist courts to deal with financial issues, they were obliged to use them fairly. Instead they used the powers to extract 10's or hundreds of thousands of pounds in each case from innocent people in their contractual care. The Post Office lied and lied, telling one defendant after another that the problem was only with them and not widespread, when it rose to 900 odd cases. It is Conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice and the management of the Post Office and possibly Fuzitsu should be investigated and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If this had been in USA, It would already be underway. As this is in feudal, privatised Tory Treasure Island Britain, it can all be left to go quiet and have nothing happen to the management of a privatised near monopoly. IT IS A TOTAL DISGRACE !
My dad was a sub postmaster in the late 60s. I remember one night helping him do an audit & we couldn’t find a one old penny. My dad would not stop until he found it in the calculations. We were up until the early hours of the following morning. I never realised the importance of finding that penny until this scandal broke! As an ex- post office employee he must have known the urgency in finding the penny. I just kept telling him to put a penny in the cash but no, he knew bless him.
Alan Bates what a hero 👏👏👏 wish there were more people like him. Unlike the heinous people with no morals who knew what was going on... Paula Vennells et al
Because, all they care about is looking good. So hi we punished her, praise us. But they wont fix it because people will complain today, and forget tomorrow when another scandal is uncovered.
@@ProudFatherofTwosaid as epstien client list. What will happen? Absolutely nowt. Because everyone involved will scratch each others back. Stinks like shite.
@22Phantasm Yes, fully agree. Why did they not give their long serving, and previously trustworthy, management staff the benefit of the doubt?!! And investigate more thoroughly. /OMG 😱 NOW I'm wondering whether the Post Office Board of Directors and Executives had SHARES in the Fujitsu organisation contracted to install the Horizon system. Was this 'Baroness Mone and the PPE scandal' of the years 2000-2014?!!
Because to a degree we still have a class system in this country, often based upon the contacts that were made at public school or Oxbridge and I doubt that will ever change.
It's obvious that there was serious mismanagement of the Post office and an inability to admit their own mistakes while she was in charge - that should be answered for not rewarded by a CBE.
just broken it system work very well no issue / they was a issue broken post office use a cover up hard working people gone to prison want gruesome twosome off to a prison
British justice let these good people down and years gone by no one held accountable. My heart goes out to the families that have lost loved ones and all the families that are still going through he'll.❤
That government minister still doesn`t get it does he . He shouldn`t be waiting for her to `voluntarily` hand the CBE back he should be pressurising the rest of his useless government to strip her of the award. And the police are dragging their feet bringing prosecutions, Their are several involved at the top of this scandal who should be sitting in jail.
Paula Vennells excepted bonuses and a CBE for her services to the Post Office. She was ultimately responsible for this scandal and should face legal action and be stripped of her CBE immediately.
Hand back the CBE and the various bonuses accumulated during her tenure with the PO. But like all these individuals they will be “protected” by the government past and present.
There should be no asking it should be removed and she should be prosecuted for perverting the course of justice. As for her the people should sue her for their losses.
The people at the top of the Post Office new all along, even as people were being imprisoned, that they were innocent of wrongdoing. Those that new were and are the real criminals and should face heavy fines and jail time!
How can the ex CEO of the post office lie so badly, break people and then had the nerve to wear a dog collar, when in reality she should have been wearing a prison uniform
Over 900 prosecuted, over 700 convicted and fined, paid restitution, some jailed, and all apparently good people in society - some died in poor health from stress or disgrace, or committed suicide - and this woman still holds an honour ? Has she no shame ? She should be jailed for corporate manslaughter, and lose her honours and pension.
There's a whole load of secondary prosecutions of staff working on post offices who were on duty when the fittings up occurred. That's had hardly any publicity. Many of them were ruined and thrown into the slammer while the cun£s in charge were fully aware and bore false witness against them. There's a cold place in hell waiting for miss CBE and her cohorts. As a former deacon she would know that, except that her holy role was probably a charade as well.
Many of us look forward to seeing PV (and her sidekick) questioned by jason Beer KC at the Inquiry sometime in 2024. Only then will we learn (to a large degree) the extent of the cover up and whether it extends to Senior Civil Servants and Ministers. I can just about wait till then to see justice demonstrated. I do hope the two ladies involved remain in the UK.
I can’t believe the police and judges did not see a pattern here, over 700 cases. Those responsible for wrongly accusing these postmasters should be jailed. Was it a cover up? This ruined lives, These people cannot get their lives back.
We must also remember the Crown Prosecution Service colluded in this process, they would have seen an unusually high spike in sub post masters apparently committing fraud and deliberately continued to prosecute without asking questions.
Yes she should be held accountable along with everyone who was involved with this gross misconduct, & has an ordained female in the church how she can go into church & preach to her congregation when she hasn’t practised it hiding behind the cloth could come to mind
Them at the top who new horizon was faulty should be jailed and the government, i.e. the post office should refund all the costs of going to court. And strange have you got the judge kicked out just when he was going to blame the post office. That’s British justice for you. It stinks.
That's the problem - it's unclear just how much Fujitsu knew about this system - it was originally developed by ICL and by the time they were bought by Fujitsu the development was basically all done. The thing is that Horizon was by far the biggest project in progress at ICL and the extent of it's problems (which the ICL management knew all about) were intentionally kept quiet to avoid damaging the prospect of doing a deal. I never personally worked for ICL, but I know a bunch of people that did, and their general opinion was that the ICL management couldn't organize a party in a brewery.
She's the head of a miscarriage of justice. She's a criminal. The pain she has caused can never be undone. They need to stop kicking their heels and pay these people what they're owed and exonerate them NOW!
I did not realize the UK was this messed up. Can you imagine after installing a new computer system, then finding out many employees are now criminals, not doing a full audit to confirm the facts. Accountants know how to do paper audits. !!
Yes people that live in villages across England that have no prior criminal record suddenly become criminals. It's actually the most preposterous thing.
Fujitsu are equally culpable in this scandal. How many postmasters did they discuss the system with, what feedback did they receive & acted upon. Did they set up a dry run of how an average post office would receive payments etc & how the system performed in relation to these transactions. I had to work with IT systems most of my working life & at each evolution of the system there were always bugs. Them main reason there were not many serious ones was because the programmers would listen to the individuals who had to use the system. How many of the computer company programmers were ex postmasters or had actually worked in a post office.
This is the most insane of situations, which the people in charge were never held responsible. Absolutely disgusting. Ruined peoples lives, and never held accountable.
Those responsible for covering up and failing to disclose the problems with the 'Horizon' software should themselves face significant financial penalties and jail sentences.
There needs to be a massive case about this and Fujitsu needs to be accountable aswell as the post office bosses. Absolutely disgusting coverup by the government, the post office and Fujitsu!
Hand Back her Honour. Balls. Court and Prosection for her at a minimum......and her Board and her senior managers. And EXCUSE ME.........Fujitsu.......hello....they produced the ineffective system.
Paula Vennells walked into being the chair of an NHS Trust with the help of Dido Harding. Yet another example of failing upwards. From Alexander’s Excavations blog: Dido Harding the Chair of NHS Improvement was personally involved in Vennells’ selection for the Imperial Chair. NHS Improvement has admitted that it gave no ‘specific weight’ to the major litigation against the Post Office nor to MPs’ concerns about the Post Office’s leadership at the time that it appointed Vennells to the Imperial Chair. NHS Fit and Proper Person arrangements are not fit for purpose. They are also under the control of Dido Harding and NHS Improvement, who have delayed in acting properly upon the recommendations of a review by Tom Kark QC into these issues.
38 degrees has an ongoing online petiton to Sir Chris Wormald, Chair of the Forfeiture Committee, Cabinet Office and at time of posting standing at 464,125 demanding Paula Vennells be stripped of her CBE
How can the boss of the Post Office think that suddenly 100's of post masters were defrauding the system all at the same time? No, she and they thought lets just prosecute them unfairly and make some easy money. The bosses of the post office should be in jail.
Like this: "If it's the Horizon system then I'll be reponsible. But I'm never responsible. So it can't be the Horizon system and must be the post masters instead".
The potential for serious criminal offences to be committed by post office senior management and Fujitsu cannot be overlooked. 4 people took their lives and hundreds had their reputations and financial security destroyed. Heads need to roll. These matters occurred under Labour and Conservative government.
The Post Office need to be held to account. Although no amount of compensation will heel the harm to the staff. It will help I also think the families of those who have passed deserve it too xx
Not mistakes, not errors, .... it is just CRIMINAL and culprits for obstructions, lies, deceiving, concealing, not respecting due process, should be CRIMINALLY charged all to the top with JAIL TIME.
The only theft that took place in these cases was the money taken from the sub postmasters to cover the non existent shortfalls. What happened to these illegally obtained funds ? Criminal prosecutions for these thefts should follow. Vennels should be stripped of her CBE and Post Office pension and be spending a significant period in prison alongside anyone else who was responsible for pursuing these fabricated charges
Why did she get a CBE with all the lies she told. She should now lose any bonus and also end up in Prison.... Just shows how rubbish our honours system is. The Government who owns the Post office must also know there were problems under her watch and they Rubber stamped all was ok. 😡😡😡
Those in charge at the Post Office need to be facing criminal prosecutions for knowingly proceeding with prosecutions on these people when they knew full well these people were innocent and that their computer systems were at fault, a fact they cannot deny, they knew the system was not robust and reliable, they were told the system was full of bugs yet they went ahead prosecuting people they knew were innocent.
How did she receive the award anyway...I would get sacked for gross misconduct...and so would most other people... Clearly she was in that situation. Absolutely disgusting and unfortunate, but its like it with most large companies run in the same manner...
This is such an appalling scandal. I hope proper recompense is made to all affected, and where people have died, their families should receive the compensation for the loss and distress caused through what their family member(s) went through. Heartbreaking 💔
The Post office as blood on its hands it must pay for this with prison for all those who lied and covered up for them and pay back all the money plus compensation.
I remember when that horrible woman in charge, resigned with a huge pension, and pay off. She knew all along that these people were innocent. Absolutely disgraceful.
Also a hypocrite, she was a big noise in the church! I wonder how she sleeps at night? Her CBE should be taken off her immediately.
ceo post office go to prison hope like prison food
Another teflon coated shite, they must go to a special school, to learn how to be complete and utter barstewards and pick up a teflon jacket when they qualify.
That says to me she was rewarded for covering things up for those above her.
@@Andrew-rc3vhI know some executives were given bonuses (£10,000?) because they HAD to appear before the Commons Select Committee investigating Post Office. There's probably still videos on TH-cam.
She was the very top executive of the Post Office. All responsibility ends with her. Why is she not in prison serving a hefty sentence? The fact that she STILL holds an OBE is abhorrent and an insult to her victims.
Don't forget Ed Davey, LIBDEM leader today.
CBE I think. A "C" not an "O", of the British Empire. You decide what the "C" stands for.
She should be made to pay for the Post Office mistakes and wrongful prosecution of a lot of innocent sub postmasters. Taking back her CBE should be a start!
@@brianlopez8855Companion - unless you're being slightly rude - which in Vennells case would be more accurate
It's the DCB she wants, Don't Come Back !@@brianlopez8855
It wasn't wrongly accused, it was falsely accused, the boss decided it was cheaper to falsely accuse postmasters as thieves rather than recall the Horizon system. She committed a serious criminal act, destroyed hundreds of people's lives, so she should be behind bars for life for what she did, deliberately.
CROOK is more apt
After an "honour" and generous financial settlement she is now enjoying life in the church of England clergy.
@@iandougall7169 then the Arch Bishop of Canterbury needs to explain
The worst company I ever worked for....and I was not one of the victims of this scandal - a truly cruel & evil employer 😡😡😡
She quit her job at the church of England.@@iandougall7169
Giving back the CBE is the bare minimum requirement. This woman, all the other senior post office staff involved, plus all the Fujitsu employees responsible for the software should jointly be charged and face time in prison. Conspiracy to pervert the course of justice would probably fit the evidence. The compensation for all the victims should be in the millions each, and a lot of that should come out of the personal finances of all the offenders, so that they are all bankrupt and penniless too.
I don't know that giving the CBE back is right. It should be REMOVED from her, forthwith!!
Not only that but she and other top managers got bonuses throughout.
Exactly, this is criminal action from the PO management. They prioritised their own bonuses, reputations and honors, not to mention cushy side jobs as directors etc, at the expense of honest hardworking post masters. Then tried to cover it up. Recover their salaries, strip the honors and then prosecute. Full pardons and compensation for the victims
I agree 100%.
@@dalebradley5381Yes remove it and give it to Alan Bates.
We should pursue this woman to bankruptcy like she did to others!
She can have some of her own Medicine lock her up.
Oh well beyond Bankruptcy
Lovely image. But we know she will go Scott free. She should be ashamed, whilst looking over her country mansion.
She doesn’t look quite right, does she?
Yes the post master from Angelsea (who went to jail) said hit them in the pockets.
Paula Vennells was an C of E ordained lay preacher. So much for Christian values and charity. Well done a local reporter from a BBC regional news programme and Private Eye for keeping this injustice to the fore so the postmasters have reached this prominence.
Obviousely she does not practice what she preaches. Unholy Cow.
Shut cut out the middle man and went right to judaic values.
Or an act.
Yes Politics and Religious oligarch eletitisum Regimes are the scourge of the world, they are only concerned about going forth to multiple, at what cost to the Minions throughout the world, evil breeds evil, in the name of Religious and Political coults 2024 etc etc etc etc, enough is enough for all our children of tomorrow ❤❤❤❤❤❤
She has done wonders for the church that we can't trust a person who professes to be a Christian. She can return to her church while in prison!
I do hope she loses any money she received on leaving the Post Office and she definitely gets her CBE removed.....
She should be in prison. Heartbreaking for families. Unforgiving.
I second that.
Public flogging and lifetime in jail should make a good example. Failure of government is the highest form of failure and should have the strictest consequences.
Just another career Civil Servant. The Service, NHS, Armed Forces and Public sector are packed with them . They just cover each others backs , move jobs very two years and retire on mega pensions and get a job in the Charity sector.
@@timporter9192 very true. civil positions should never be an easy path in life. It should be a sacrifice, a duty, for the people and the nation.
All Agreed 👍 💯
Not only should she be stripped of her honour ,she should be charged with making false and malicious allegations leading to miscarriages of justice. Someone in her elevated position should have prevented this from occurring in the first instance, but she pursued these postmasters with zeal to hoist her own image in the eyes of shareholders.
And do some prison time
Several post office bosses and Fujitsu employees lied in court during the postmaster's trials. They should all be charged with perjury and sent to jail.
Hear hear
Not only that, there are Civil Servants who knew what was going on, not to mention Sir Ed Davey who according to the Guardian was Postal Affairs minister at the time, and was approached for a meeting with the post masters stating in writing that he didn't believe a meeting “would serve any purpose”, he basically turn a blind eye and covered his ears!
Bastards all of them still no compensation
@@thedogsdiddies8421He was probably too busy checking whether Vennells has a penis.
@@thedogsdiddies8421Of course being an election year, Davey boy will portray himself as the SPM's hero.
God Bless Andrew Bridgen he pushed and pushed to help this tragic story see the light of day. Heartfelt sympathies for all the people so devastatingly affected, sadly not all are here today to speak out. All the very best for the future one and all, justice will be served. Xx
We are the only country that’s gives medals for corruption this woman should be in jail not sitting sit one a pension pay by us the taxpayers.🤬🤬
Nobel Peace prizebis as bad.
Giving Obama the reward😂😂😂
👍🇮🇪🇯🇴🇨🇳🇷🇺🇷🇺
To be fair Israel does that too.
@@grissom2023
ABSOLUTELY.
@@amalekedomitegiven the anti semitism a test just for a day eh fella? 😉
@@deschloro That's not very tolerant of you. Are you not worried about over-representation?
For the Post Office and Fujitsu just to ignore the fact that this was happening all over the country was criminally negligent. It should never have happened.
You want to see what Fujitsu says on there website about . There global purpose to make the world more sustainable by building trust in society ,what a load of bollocks ,I will never buy anything that is made by Fujitsu ever again.
Not negligent, intentional.
They did not ignore it. They were fully aware that it was the software, it’d be impossible for them not to know as the apparent thefts only happened after Horizon was installed. It was a fully intentional fuckover and they were bankrupting people with the full knowledge that they never actually stole.
Nevermind her bloody cbe, why aren't the police presenting evidence of this woman's activities to the cps?
Too busy dealing with hate crime and snowflake offences.
Because she is part of the elite! Surely you have figured by now we are inferior to the criminal elite.
Too busy sticking notices up at airports to report any crimes in Gaza. Let's face it they have f*** all else to do.
@@mikeh2613don't be facetious in the face of an appalling miscarriage of justice.
@@guywilletts2804 in what sense facetious? If you mean my comment about the police then I stand by that and I was not being facetious👍
Absolutely disgusting what the CEO or manager has done to these people she should be going to jail for what she has done to them and handing back everything to the government that she has received
Hand back her CBE - yes & should be in jail.
If i prosecuted someone for something they didn’t do when I knew the evidence was faulty I’d expect to be prosecuted myself. Quite why she and all her colleagues should effectively get away with it is a serious miscarriage of justice.
Criminal prosecutions MUST follow.
People made unemployed and bankrupted.
People arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned.
People committed suicide.
All because the Post Office refused to admit they had severe problems with the Horizon computer system and knowing that tried to pass the blame to the sub-postmasters.
Exactly like the Banks.
Given that the Post Office were trusted to be awarded their own specialist courts to deal with financial issues, they were obliged to use them fairly. Instead they used the powers to extract 10's or hundreds of thousands of pounds in each case from innocent people in their contractual care. The Post Office lied and lied, telling one defendant after another that the problem was only with them and not widespread, when it rose to 900 odd cases. It is Conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice and the management of the Post Office and possibly Fuzitsu should be investigated and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If this had been in USA, It would already be underway. As this is in feudal, privatised Tory Treasure Island Britain, it can all be left to go quiet and have nothing happen to the management of a privatised near monopoly. IT IS A TOTAL DISGRACE !
The post office boss should be locked up as she locked up those innocent post masters
It just goes to show how ludicrous the honours system is. It should be scrapped!
Sir Philip Green is another example.
Another kick in the teeth of the victims
The royal family should be scrapped!!
@@virtuafighter3when your taxes covered the cost of multiple hospitals, care homes, army and police we’ll hear your opinion.
My dad was a sub postmaster in the late 60s. I remember one night helping him do an audit & we couldn’t find a one old penny. My dad would not stop until he found it in the calculations. We were up until the early hours of the following morning. I never realised the importance of finding that penny until this scandal broke! As an ex- post office employee he must have known the urgency in finding the penny. I just kept telling him to put a penny in the cash but no, he knew bless him.
You couldn't make this up!!
Alan Bates what a hero 👏👏👏 wish there were more people like him. Unlike the heinous people with no morals who knew what was going on... Paula Vennells et al
So quick to punish, yet so slow to repair the damage. Why is this always the case?
Because, all they care about is looking good. So hi we punished her, praise us. But they wont fix it because people will complain today, and forget tomorrow when another scandal is uncovered.
Blame culture in organisations.
@@ProudFatherofTwosaid as epstien client list. What will happen?
Absolutely nowt. Because everyone involved will scratch each others back.
Stinks like shite.
@22Phantasm Yes, fully agree. Why did they not give their long serving, and previously trustworthy, management staff the benefit of the doubt?!! And investigate more thoroughly. /OMG 😱 NOW I'm wondering whether the Post Office Board of Directors and Executives had SHARES in the Fujitsu organisation contracted to install the Horizon system. Was this 'Baroness Mone and the PPE scandal' of the years 2000-2014?!!
Because to a degree we still have a class system in this country, often based upon the contacts that were made at public school or Oxbridge and I doubt that will ever change.
Everyone innocent person falsely accused should get massive compensation and immediately too.
It's obvious that there was serious mismanagement of the Post office and an inability to admit their own mistakes while she was in charge - that should be answered for not rewarded by a CBE.
Standard policy, they promoted Cresida Dick as well after her incompetance got that Brazilian guy executed on the London underground.
just broken it system work very well no issue / they was a issue broken post office use a cover up hard working people gone to prison want gruesome twosome off to a prison
Prison for her!
Mismanagement is one thing, but this is total deception they new what they were doing. Happy to put innocent people in jail,
What they did is outright criminality. Too right they should be jailed.
It was shocking and horrific what those postmasters were put through.
AND their families!
Get those directly involved at the Post Office & Fujitsu in court, it’s gone on too long.
She should be in prison with her pension removed for her evil actions. Hiding behind a religious front was pure and total hypocracy.
Just shows the sort of people they hand out these titles to, the majority have never done anything to deserve them.
Correct. So called "honours" are a badge of shame and disgrace
If saville can get an honour it means nothing.
Titles are a sign of failure just see who get them mostly failures or woken 😂😂😂😂😂😮😮😮😮😮
@@cliffordbuttle4529 Yeah, just look at the likes of Blair, Davey and Starmer, tells you everything.
@@woodlandbikerhe raised millions for charity before he was caught.
British justice let these good people down and years gone by no one held accountable. My heart goes out to the families that have lost loved ones and all the families that are still going through he'll.❤
That government minister still doesn`t get it does he . He shouldn`t be waiting for her to `voluntarily` hand the CBE back he should be pressurising the rest of his useless government to strip her of the award.
And the police are dragging their feet bringing prosecutions, Their are several involved at the top of this scandal who should be sitting in jail.
Paula Vennells excepted bonuses and a CBE for her services to the Post Office. She was ultimately responsible for this scandal and should face legal action and be stripped of her CBE immediately.
Hand back the CBE and the various bonuses accumulated during her tenure with the PO. But like all these individuals they will be “protected” by the government past and present.
She received the honour for 'services to the Post Office', a wholly owned entity of the government. The guilty protects its own.
There should be no asking it should be removed and she should be prosecuted for perverting the course of justice. As for her the people should sue her for their losses.
Google the petition on 38 Degrees, go there and type in - "Strip Paula Vennells of her CBE"
The people at the top of the Post Office new all along, even as people were being imprisoned, that they were innocent of wrongdoing. Those that new were and are the real criminals and should face heavy fines and jail time!
Jail time needed .
Paula Vennells and her bad teeth then went to become a chief exec at an NHS Hospital....you couldn’t write this!
How can the ex CEO of the post office lie so badly, break people and then had the nerve to wear a dog collar, when in reality she should have been wearing a prison uniform
False accusations and false belief in the magic man in the sky
Being overtly religous is a disguise that creates suspicion in my mind.
Now hiding behind the church!!
Yes
@@harvestmoon-k1446Yes it would be interesting to discover when the dog collar came into play.
Over 900 prosecuted, over 700 convicted and fined, paid restitution, some jailed, and all apparently good people in society - some died in poor health from stress or disgrace, or committed suicide - and this woman still holds an honour ? Has she no shame ?
She should be jailed for corporate manslaughter, and lose her honours and pension.
Well said 💯
There's a whole load of secondary prosecutions of staff working on post offices who were on duty when the fittings up occurred. That's had hardly any publicity. Many of them were ruined and thrown into the slammer while the cun£s in charge were fully aware and bore false witness against them. There's a cold place in hell waiting for miss CBE and her cohorts. As a former deacon she would know that, except that her holy role was probably a charade as well.
Many of us look forward to seeing PV (and her sidekick) questioned by jason Beer KC at the Inquiry sometime in 2024. Only then will we learn (to a large degree) the extent of the cover up and whether it extends to Senior Civil Servants and Ministers. I can just about wait till then to see justice demonstrated. I do hope the two ladies involved remain in the UK.
I can’t believe the police and judges did not see a pattern here, over 700 cases. Those responsible for wrongly accusing these postmasters should be jailed. Was it a cover up? This ruined lives, These people cannot get their lives back.
She shouldnt hand her CBE back, she should have it taken back from her. Subtle difference, but necessary.
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We must also remember the Crown Prosecution Service colluded in this process, they would have seen an unusually high spike in sub post masters apparently committing fraud and deliberately continued to prosecute without asking questions.
This is just disgusting. Every single one of those scumbags responsible for this should be jailed for at least 10 years.
Manslaughter charges should be brought against the post office bosses.
She is a disgrace and needs to pay the price.
She ought to be sued and honours removed
As well as having her gong revoked, can she and other managers not be charged with some crime for doing what they’ve done?
We should start "It's prison for Paula" campaign.
How is it you can deliberately lie to MPs and the government and yet be rewarded with an award from them . Why is it gov always rewarded failure.
They're all in it together.
All pi$$ in the same pot whichever the side
That this was ever taken seriously and people prosecuted is astonishing, but it's also typical of British justice.
The same computer company waste millions failing to set up an NHS computer system!
Absolutely dreadful miscarriage of justice so many good people totally abandoned by everyone .a disgrace
Make HER and anyone that aided and abetted the malicious and false prosecutions and the lies and fraud around the Horizon system personally liable.
Yes she should be held accountable along with everyone who was involved with this gross misconduct, & has an ordained female in the church how she can go into church & preach to her congregation when she hasn’t practised it hiding behind the cloth could come to mind
Shameful PO behaviour, PAY THE VICTIMS NOW.
She brings shame to the order, and the fact that she even needs to be asked brings more shame.
She should be in prison
Disgusting woman
She should go to prison for culpable manslaughter, people took their own lives as a direct result of her actions.
Them at the top who new horizon was faulty should be jailed and the government, i.e. the post office should refund all the costs of going to court. And strange have you got the judge kicked out just when he was going to blame the post office. That’s British justice for you. It stinks.
That's the problem - it's unclear just how much Fujitsu knew about this system - it was originally developed by ICL and by the time they were bought by Fujitsu the development was basically all done. The thing is that Horizon was by far the biggest project in progress at ICL and the extent of it's problems (which the ICL management knew all about) were intentionally kept quiet to avoid damaging the prospect of doing a deal.
I never personally worked for ICL, but I know a bunch of people that did, and their general opinion was that the ICL management couldn't organize a party in a brewery.
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She's the head of a miscarriage of justice. She's a criminal. The pain she has caused can never be undone.
They need to stop kicking their heels and pay these people what they're owed and exonerate them NOW!
Everyone, sign the petition to get her stripped of the CBE. Then hopefully criminal charges may follow.
I did! Yesterday.
Where is this petision
@@slimetimetv8517 Google it: Paula Vennells petition
Google the petition on 38 Degrees, go there and type in - "Strip Paula Vennells of her CBE"
Send link, this video pissed me off.
I did not realize the UK was this messed up. Can you imagine after installing a new computer system, then finding out many employees are now criminals, not doing a full audit to confirm the facts. Accountants know how to do paper audits. !!
Yes people that live in villages across England that have no prior criminal record suddenly become criminals. It's actually the most preposterous thing.
Fujitsu are equally culpable in this scandal. How many postmasters did they discuss the system with, what feedback did they receive & acted upon. Did they set up a dry run of how an average post office would receive payments etc & how the system performed in relation to these transactions. I had to work with IT systems most of my working life & at each evolution of the system there were always bugs. Them main reason there were not many serious ones was because the programmers would listen to the individuals who had to use the system. How many of the computer company programmers were ex postmasters or had actually worked in a post office.
Considering she was/is an ordained Minister, you would think her conscience would tell her to hand back her CBE.
If she had a conscience this would never have got to the stage it did.
I bet she’s on a huge pension too….she should lose that…
This is the most insane of situations, which the people in charge were never held responsible. Absolutely disgusting. Ruined peoples lives, and never held accountable.
Those responsible for covering up and failing to disclose the problems with the 'Horizon' software should themselves face significant financial penalties and jail sentences.
There needs to be a massive case about this and Fujitsu needs to be accountable aswell as the post office bosses. Absolutely disgusting coverup by the government, the post office and Fujitsu!
Yep, I'm passionate about Fujitsu being made accountable too. Greedy so and so's.
Hand Back her Honour. Balls. Court and Prosection for her at a minimum......and her Board and her senior managers. And EXCUSE ME.........Fujitsu.......hello....they produced the ineffective system.
This woman has no shame, the leader Ed Davey of the Liberals was minister for the post office, what a pair!!!!!!
Worrying she is now in charge of an NHS Trust.
NO! Hand back
1. CBE
2. Pension
3. Salary since she KNEW it was a glitch in the software
4. The reputation of the Post Office that SHE destroyed
5. a long duration in prison
Very good, but don't hold your breath.
She should be stripped of her title & payout.
Then moved to the nearest jail for her crimes.
Paula Vennells walked into being the chair of an NHS Trust with the help of Dido Harding. Yet another example of failing upwards.
From Alexander’s Excavations blog:
Dido Harding the Chair of NHS Improvement was personally involved in Vennells’ selection for the Imperial Chair. NHS Improvement has admitted that it gave no ‘specific weight’ to the major litigation against the Post Office nor to MPs’ concerns about the Post Office’s leadership at the time that it appointed Vennells to the Imperial Chair. NHS Fit and Proper Person arrangements are not fit for purpose. They are also under the control of Dido Harding and NHS Improvement, who have delayed in acting properly upon the recommendations of a review by Tom Kark QC into these issues.
38 degrees has an ongoing online petiton to Sir Chris Wormald, Chair of the Forfeiture Committee, Cabinet Office and at time of posting standing at 464,125 demanding Paula Vennells be stripped of her CBE
The petition on 38 Degrees is not easy to find. Search using CBE or the woman’s name to find it.
How can the boss of the Post Office think that suddenly 100's of post masters were defrauding the system all at the same time?
No, she and they thought lets just prosecute them unfairly and make some easy money. The bosses of the post office should be in jail.
Like this: "If it's the Horizon system then I'll be reponsible. But I'm never responsible. So it can't be the Horizon system and must be the post masters instead".
The potential for serious criminal offences to be committed by post office senior management and Fujitsu cannot be overlooked. 4 people took their lives and hundreds had their reputations and financial security destroyed. Heads need to roll. These matters occurred under Labour and Conservative government.
And Lib Dumbs !
Well done to ITV for putting on this superb docudrama! Now we all know who is to blame……
The Post Office need to be held to account. Although no amount of compensation will heel the harm to the staff. It will help I also think the families of those who have passed deserve it too xx
Not mistakes, not errors, .... it is just CRIMINAL and culprits for obstructions, lies, deceiving, concealing, not respecting due process, should be CRIMINALLY charged all to the top with JAIL TIME.
She should face criminal charges
The only theft that took place in these cases was the money taken from the sub postmasters to cover the non existent shortfalls. What happened to these illegally obtained funds ? Criminal prosecutions for these thefts should follow. Vennels should be stripped of her CBE and Post Office pension and be spending a significant period in prison alongside anyone else who was responsible for pursuing these fabricated charges
Steve the money was kept by the Post Office making it look more profitable for when it was Privatised
@@SimonSmith-yd6tt Disgusting
At least she has to now face the embarrassment of the entire world knowing what she did.
Yes. The drama didn't portray her in a very good light. I wonder what her friends and family think of her after watching it?
Why did she get a CBE with all the lies she told. She should now lose any bonus and also end up in Prison....
Just shows how rubbish our honours system is. The Government who owns the Post office must also know there were problems under her watch and they Rubber stamped all was ok. 😡😡😡
Those in charge at the Post Office need to be facing criminal prosecutions for knowingly proceeding with prosecutions on these people when they knew full well these people were innocent and that their computer systems were at fault, a fact they cannot deny, they knew the system was not robust and reliable, they were told the system was full of bugs yet they went ahead prosecuting people they knew were innocent.
She lied to the courts she lied to parliment and she lied to the subpostmasters she should be in prison not given a gong
No doubt she has the full support of Wellby & Runcie.
Robert Runcie died decades ago.
Robert Runcie is dead & was so before this scandal.
She should be on trial.
I remember when this all came out years ago . Her attitude then was disgusting. She should be serving a hefty prison sentence and her assets seized
this woman is a disgrace and should be jailed they have sold P.O. assets to enrich themselves over the years🤨🤨🤨🥶🥶🥶
Handing back the CBE should be the least of it, she should be in jail.
How did she receive the award anyway...I would get sacked for gross misconduct...and so would most other people...
Clearly she was in that situation. Absolutely disgusting and unfortunate, but its like it with most large companies run in the same manner...
This is such an appalling scandal. I hope proper recompense is made to all affected, and where people have died, their families should receive the compensation for the loss and distress caused through what their family member(s) went through. Heartbreaking 💔
Anyone know the name of the MP who worked tirelessly to expose this disgrace? It was a guy called Andrew Bridgen....
Put her in jail
Typically English reward and recognition for failure.
She should be prosecuted for obstruction
The Post office as blood on its hands it must pay for this with prison for all those who lied and covered up for them and pay back all the money plus compensation.