Nice build! Before any further testing, I would make shure that no melted metal can reach my electronics. Alu can splash, flying all over your workshop. Next thing, place the electronics above any water system in case of leakage or you simply kick the bucket in a hurry. Please, but that nice build in an enclosure.
Thank you so much for this video. It has changed my mind on building an IF. I thought an IF was much faster in melting Al. I will go back to a gas blast furnace design.
NICE, a wattmeter or a simple clamp on meter on the AC in side would be a real good indication of actual power consumption. as the DC power supplies filter out Powerfactor, you can use a simple Voltage x Amps and get a good indication of consumption of the load and over all power used to melt down the aluminum! over all good job!
@@dorivalgemmi3548 no bit Functional Controls sells current loops under the RIB name plate. that can be used for reading amps. RibXKTV5-50 they can be 10 20 and 50 amp coils i i believe they also sell 100 amp units aswell.
@@dorivalgemmi3548 they are at the very bottom. thats what the little silver boxes are with the lights on them. go on ebay and search up hp server psu. you will find them. usually cheap.
Hey mate. I am looking to use one of these heaters to heat liquid gallium and I have a few questions. What power supply did you use for this heater? Did you make any modifications to the heater? And have you had any issues with the heater? Thanks a lot
Hey Gallium will be very easy to melt, just hold it in your hand for a few minutes. 🤓 The power supplies came with the induction heater I just bought a third one, that was the only modification. If you check AliExpress you’ll see the power supplies. The first one I got gave me trouble but they replace the board and now no problems. I did try to melt steel but the fans on the power supplies were revving really high so I stopped the test. Otherwise I can melt Aluminum, Copper and Brass easily and quickly. I always recommend though a 15kw 100% load heater much more over this one.
Hello! I don’t really know the consumption because I don’t have the optional module that shows you that and other data. You can get that separately, currently I don’t think I need it as it’s been running smoothly without issues.
It does have a limit at least, I tried melting High Carbon Steel and it doesn't seem to get that hot, or it takes too long not sure which. This was a relatively inexpensive kit with drawbacks, like as I stated here, can't be run indefinitely without burning out something, ie. not a " 100% load " system. Thanks for stopping by!
Hi David! Thanks for stopping by. Yes using 3 power supplies. What I do is plug each power supply in to a different wall outlet using a different breaker in the house. It’s a bit of a pain but it works. Plug one into the garage one inside the house in the living room and one in the kitchen using 2 extension cords so it doesn’t draw more than 20 A on each outlet.
Yeah it's from Aliexpress, Chinese made so it's likely not even 4000W, but that's what the kit is listed as so didn't want to confuse anyone incase they wanted the same kit.
From the looks of the power supply he is using it's probably capable of less than 1000W. To get close to 4kW you're going to need to supply more than 80A at 48V.
Hey I always use outside or in the Garage, it does produce heat but only the crucible and you have to get under a feet from it. Water only warms up but you cycle cold water into it. I put like half water, then as it gets warm I add more cold water. This is enough for a full melt of even Copper.
Hello, could you please explain how does it melt aluminium if aluminium does not work with induction, i mean it heats it up but just a little. Did you use an iron or steel vessel inside the crusible?
Hey thanks for stopping by! The graphite crucible actually heats up enough to melt even copper and Brass very quickly. The crucible is encased in ceramic or you can use a regular crucible with ceramic fiber insulation on the outside
Most metals can be melted with induction, it is not limited to ferro magnetic materials. Everything is magnetic otherwise gravity wouldn't work. Aluminium has a weak magnetic signature but the electromagnetic field just induces eddy currents from the free electrons in the metal, causing the material to heat up and eventually melt.
@@BobSmith-rs7tn Aluminium pans on induction hobs is completely irrelevant when discussing melting aluminium. If you took notice to the hob design, you will see the coil winds inside itself, and does not form a vertical coil. This makes the electromagnetic field cancel itself out, limiting the temperature output. This makes it easier to control when you only want to heat food up to 100 degrees Celsius. At such low temperatures, aluminium is a good thermal conductor, taking less than 5 minutes to boil water, and quickly cooling down when empty. This is evidenced with the fact that I have an induction hob, and have only ever owned aluminium pans.
I bought it on aliexpress, but as I say in every response, best to spend double and get a 15kw 100% load induction heater. Much more powerful and you can change coils of different sizes. My first one of this kit blew the capacitors but a 100% load version will never blow on you. It's been a while son I don't remember the max temp but I tried to melt steel and gave up as it sounded like the power supplies were really revving up. It will melt a full crucible of Brass and Copper in about 15 minutes to boiling
Hey Dan! They are Parallel, I have 4 1000W supplies 20Amp each. I have to plug them into different house breaker plugs using extension cords but it works.
@@shivercanada Have you considered load balancing measures? I am asking this because if you haven't, I can almost guarantee you there is a lot extra performance to be had if you make a few small changes.
I have a 2000w Heater and i used it a few times to heat 8mm steal rods, I bent the ends to a hook shape for a project and now the problem i have is the circute breakers keep switching the power off. Can anyone help with this issue. evertime i place a steal rod in the coil it cut-out. I have a 3000w 55A power supply it works good no issues there, the heater has always kept cool never over-heated.
don't place too much steel in or near the coil, you will get an overload, the load depends on how much steel is in the coil, get further away, take your time or less steel.
I only did 1 copper melt so far and need the bar for casting in the near future. I don't get much copper just a tiny bit here and there, will take me years to get enough to do another melt I think. I'm sure you can find some copper bars online somewhere
At 4000 W (supposedly )that’s what I was hoping but it doesn’t. It’ll glow red but not yellow hot. I also tried to melt some steel in the crucible but the fans were revving very high and I gave up when the steel was just getting red. I didn’t want to blow the unit. This is why I recommend a “100% load” induction heater to anybody
Hello! I didn't get the optional board which gives you this information and I can't find it on Ali Express anymore ( seller Green Technology ) so I can't get that info for you. Maybe if you message them they can tell you what it was. all the best.
Hey! Just search “4000w induction heater” on AliExpress. If you’re running 110 V then you’ll need a third power supply I also chose the 290 mL large crucible. Thanks for stopping by!
ma io dico perchè dei usare un trasformatore a 50 volt per fare 4 kw . eppure le formule per calcolare le correnti sono abbastanza semplici . Quando raddrizzando la 220 ottieni ben 320 volt ? annullando completamente tutti i problemi di surriscaldamento ecc. causati da un pur fatto bene alimentatore.
@@shivercanada do you have unassembled pcb of this .. if yes then share the clear picture of both side of pcb otherwise share the link of aliexpress thankyou
That's what I thought when I tested it and tried to heat up steel. At least it works and still works without problems, but they love to basically LIE about what you're getting all the time
Nice build! Before any further testing, I would make shure that no melted metal can reach my electronics. Alu can splash, flying all over your workshop. Next thing, place the electronics above any water system in case of leakage or you simply kick the bucket in a hurry. Please, but that nice build in an enclosure.
Good idea's, 15KW all in 1 versions usually have the water beneath the heater which is on a top rack. I'm very careful when using it though.
Thank you so much for this video. It has changed my mind on building an IF. I thought an IF was much faster in melting Al. I will go back to a gas blast furnace design.
Hi Othoap thanks for watching I'm glad it helped!
Higher watts, perhaps 8Kw, will be faster
EXCELENT VIDEO.
NICE, a wattmeter or a simple clamp on meter on the AC in side would be a real good indication of actual power consumption. as the DC power supplies filter out Powerfactor, you can use a simple Voltage x Amps and get a good indication of consumption of the load and over all power used to melt down the aluminum! over all good job!
I would like to buy one do you sell?
@@dorivalgemmi3548 no bit Functional Controls sells current loops under the RIB name plate. that can be used for reading amps. RibXKTV5-50 they can be 10 20 and 50 amp coils i i believe they also sell 100 amp units aswell.
thanks...very good
I see 4 server power supplies. a large transformer and many heatsinks with a central fan. not too difficult. but still very cool
Where did you see the for server suplies could show to me?
@@dorivalgemmi3548 they are at the very bottom. thats what the little silver boxes are with the lights on them. go on ebay and search up hp server psu. you will find them. usually cheap.
Hey mate. I am looking to use one of these heaters to heat liquid gallium and I have a few questions. What power supply did you use for this heater? Did you make any modifications to the heater? And have you had any issues with the heater? Thanks a lot
Hey Gallium will be very easy to melt, just hold it in your hand for a few minutes. 🤓 The power supplies came with the induction heater I just bought a third one, that was the only modification. If you check AliExpress you’ll see the power supplies. The first one I got gave me trouble but they replace the board and now no problems. I did try to melt steel but the fans on the power supplies were revving really high so I stopped the test. Otherwise I can melt Aluminum, Copper and Brass easily and quickly. I always recommend though a 15kw 100% load heater much more over this one.
Hey! Manufacturer said I needed 3 power supplies to melt copper. Maybe 2 ok for Aluminum and lower melt metals
Cool
thanks
May I know the power consumption in smelting aluminium and copper. Is it at full power 4000W? Thanks.
Hello! I don’t really know the consumption because I don’t have the optional module that shows you that and other data. You can get that separately, currently I don’t think I need it as it’s been running smoothly without issues.
@@shivercanada hello, where can I buy that module? and could you tell me the capacity of the cruisible?
@@shivercanada hie can l have information on your 4kw induction heater. my email butogara@gmail.com
What are the molds you are pouring the molten aluminum into made of? Graphite?
Hey yes Graphite molds, superior to anything else I’ve used, it’s like they have a perfect non stick coating that never fails.
you can set the max temp reach this system? the problem of this system go up since you stop so you overheat the material and risk
It does have a limit at least, I tried melting High Carbon Steel and it doesn't seem to get that hot, or it takes too long not sure which. This was a relatively inexpensive kit with drawbacks, like as I stated here, can't be run indefinitely without burning out something, ie. not a " 100% load " system. Thanks for stopping by!
I think your zvs would be way more efficient and faster if you get a little thicker crucible
I may need one soon so I’ll try a thicker one thank you for the tip!
Are you using smps 3 unit in parallel for supplying the induction heater? Could yu tell me how to paralleling 3 units smps ? Thank you.
Hi David! Thanks for stopping by. Yes using 3 power supplies. What I do is plug each power supply in to a different wall outlet using a different breaker in the house. It’s a bit of a pain but it works. Plug one into the garage one inside the house in the living room and one in the kitchen using 2 extension cords so it doesn’t draw more than 20 A on each outlet.
@@shivercanada Could you tell me , how to paralleling 3 units smps?
Maybe you could sent the wiring diagram.
@@davidonogram-teknisisebrang connect all same voltage V+ terminals together and connect all same V- together.
@@firedrive45 OK...THANKS for your informations
Or you can wire 4 or 5 large Hp 1300 watt power supplies in series and supply 56 volts and up to 60 amps
There is something draining your efficiency. 4kw should melt that amount of aluminum faster, idk
Yeah it's from Aliexpress, Chinese made so it's likely not even 4000W, but that's what the kit is listed as so didn't want to confuse anyone incase they wanted the same kit.
From the looks of the power supply he is using it's probably capable of less than 1000W. To get close to 4kW you're going to need to supply more than 80A at 48V.
so is the room temp going up as like the water and is it this heater warming up other things around it
Hey I always use outside or in the Garage, it does produce heat but only the crucible and you have to get under a feet from it. Water only warms up but you cycle cold water into it. I put like half water, then as it gets warm I add more cold water. This is enough for a full melt of even Copper.
@@shivercanada just curious thank you
Hello, could you please explain how does it melt aluminium if aluminium does not work with induction, i mean it heats it up but just a little. Did you use an iron or steel vessel inside the crusible?
Hey thanks for stopping by! The graphite crucible actually heats up enough to melt even copper and Brass very quickly. The crucible is encased in ceramic or you can use a regular crucible with ceramic fiber insulation on the outside
The Graphite crucible gets red hot and its heat melts the aluminum.
Most metals can be melted with induction, it is not limited to ferro magnetic materials. Everything is magnetic otherwise gravity wouldn't work. Aluminium has a weak magnetic signature but the electromagnetic field just induces eddy currents from the free electrons in the metal, causing the material to heat up and eventually melt.
@@BearwoodWestYard yeah that's why aluminum pans work on induction cooktops.... oh wait, they don't.. :/
@@BobSmith-rs7tn Aluminium pans on induction hobs is completely irrelevant when discussing melting aluminium. If you took notice to the hob design, you will see the coil winds inside itself, and does not form a vertical coil. This makes the electromagnetic field cancel itself out, limiting the temperature output. This makes it easier to control when you only want to heat food up to 100 degrees Celsius. At such low temperatures, aluminium is a good thermal conductor, taking less than 5 minutes to boil water, and quickly cooling down when empty. This is evidenced with the fact that I have an induction hob, and have only ever owned aluminium pans.
very good #todoinventostv
Thank you and thanks for stopping by!
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What if I want it to harden steal in 40 cm diameter.
Does it 10 kw needed?
You would likely need a 15kw 100% load induction heater. They are not much more and way better. This one will not heat steel too welding temperatures.
User and voltage transformer price display and can be answered
i live in canada too where can i buy these melting furnace, what is the max temp can reach ?
I bought it on aliexpress, but as I say in every response, best to spend double and get a 15kw 100% load induction heater. Much more powerful and you can change coils of different sizes. My first one of this kit blew the capacitors but a 100% load version will never blow on you. It's been a while son I don't remember the max temp but I tried to melt steel and gave up as it sounded like the power supplies were really revving up. It will melt a full crucible of Brass and Copper in about 15 minutes to boiling
@@shivercanada thank you very much 😀
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Are the power supplies put in parallel or en series?
Hey Dan! They are Parallel, I have 4 1000W supplies 20Amp each. I have to plug them into different house breaker plugs using extension cords but it works.
@@shivercanada Have you considered load balancing measures? I am asking this because if you haven't, I can almost guarantee you there is a lot extra performance to be had if you make a few small changes.
It would help if you mentioned the weight you melted
Hey sorry Ash I didn't do that, but I filled the Crucible as much as I could as a very rough estimate. Crucible is 290ml
can it heating copper pipe 3/8 inch or 7/8 directly in few minutes?
i mean heating to bazing solering copper pipe
Very nice. Sir I need 2500 Wat induction farnice components please tal me sir
I have a 2000w Heater and i used it a few times to heat 8mm steal rods, I bent the ends to a hook shape for a project and now the problem i have is the circute breakers keep switching the power off. Can anyone help with this issue. evertime i place a steal rod in the coil it cut-out. I have a 3000w 55A power supply it works good no issues there, the heater has always kept cool never over-heated.
don't place too much steel in or near the coil, you will get an overload, the load depends on how much steel is in the coil, get further away, take your time or less steel.
I want to make one for me. Can you share circuit diagram and design details please?
AliExpress so no plans, I would highly recommend a “100% Load” 15kW or higher induction heater
I need athat melt cooper do you have some this shape
I only did 1 copper melt so far and need the bar for casting in the near future. I don't get much copper just a tiny bit here and there, will take me years to get enough to do another melt I think. I'm sure you can find some copper bars online somewhere
Qual ideial para fundir ferro ?
Desculpe minha tradução ruim. Vou tentar o ferro em breve, mas as versões de 15kw são as melhores para todos os usos
What happens if i give it only 2000watt , it can melt copper?
i have 3000W and at 800W already melts copper
@@feth7747 how grams of copper , thanks
how many guage is that solid wire
Hey! If you mean the copper wire it’s actually standard hollow plumbing tube and cold water is circulated through it
Can this take steel to forging temperature?
At 4000 W (supposedly )that’s what I was hoping but it doesn’t. It’ll glow red but not yellow hot. I also tried to melt some steel in the crucible but the fans were revving very high and I gave up when the steel was just getting red. I didn’t want to blow the unit. This is why I recommend a “100% load” induction heater to anybody
Steel won’t melt but if you build the right coil it will take it to forging temps my 2000 and 3000 way zvs heat it very quickly
if you have circuit map set here to we use too and build to ourselves.
I'm sorry but I didn't build it, it was a kit I just assembled it. Check aliexpress, thanks for watching!
good video, but I want to ask, how many volts of voltage goes into the electronic circuit?
Hello! I didn't get the optional board which gives you this information and I can't find it on Ali Express anymore ( seller Green Technology ) so I can't get that info for you. Maybe if you message them they can tell you what it was. all the best.
250Vcc and 11.. Max 14A My house admits max 3.4KW.
why would you "give it a little break"? You are simply oxidizing the aluminum more.
Because this was the first test, the first unit I had blew up after so many minutes of use
@@shivercanada did you discover why it "blew up"?
Hey, can u give me the link yo buy this setup?
Hey! Just search “4000w induction heater” on AliExpress. If you’re running 110 V then you’ll need a third power supply I also chose the 290 mL large crucible. Thanks for stopping by!
Can you send me a sheme electronic of this Heather tnks
Hello I’m sorry I can’t do that as I didn’t make it, I just bought it on AliExpress and assembled it.
from what i can see there are 4 server power supplies a central transformer and heatsinks
Хиленько както для 4квт.
ma io dico perchè dei usare un trasformatore a 50 volt per fare 4 kw . eppure le formule per calcolare le correnti sono abbastanza semplici . Quando raddrizzando la 220 ottieni ben 320 volt ? annullando completamente tutti i problemi di surriscaldamento ecc. causati da un pur fatto bene alimentatore.
Please share this circuit
Hello thanks for watching! I didn’t make this, I only assembled it, I bought it on AliExpress with a 3rd added power supply so no schematics
@@shivercanada do you have unassembled pcb of this .. if yes then share the clear picture of both side of pcb otherwise share the link of aliexpress thankyou
Somethings not exactly right here with this with that much power you should me liquifying that aluminum in 8 minutes max
Yes well I got it from China on AliExpress and most of the time the specs are exaggerated on electronics. At least it mostly works well thankfully!
It is a toy not induction furnace it is good for put your back side to warm up your body
Works my bum is nice and toasty!
And lift off....
4kw my arse
That's what I thought when I tested it and tried to heat up steel. At least it works and still works without problems, but they love to basically LIE about what you're getting all the time