Forehand Topspin Against Backspin | Table Tennis | PingSkills
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In this video we teach you how to play the forehand topspin against a backspin ball. This stroke is very similar to the forehand topspin against block. The main differences are that you start a little bit lower, finish a little bit higher, and the stroke itself is more vertical to lift the backspin. You still need a good brushing contact to generate the topspin. If you have any questions about this stroke then please visit our website and use the ask the coach section.
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Jeff Plumb and Alois Rosario - กีฬา
Thanks for your support. You can watch all of our strokes & techniques videos in a logical order on our website: www.pingskills.com/categories/strokes-and-techniques
Nasib najib razak
What about the wrist?
Do you haver to bend or break the wrist as soon as you contact the ball when going upwards?
Can you generate enough power when it is heavy spin? For instance my opponent does a very heavy backspin serve at the end of the table.
I noticed the arm is bend at the begining why is that?
thanks a bunch ! I literally limproved 50% more beacuse of your videos!
"Heavy back spin , Vertical and less back spin , Forward"
What a wonderful advice.
Thanks a lot coach !!
Really helped
This shot has been one of my problems recently. I find I often play against choppers, and it's hard for me to convert the rally into an offensive one, and I usually lose the chopping game.
It's always been hard for me to counter their backspin and create my own topspin. Now I understand that my mistake is I'm trying to do a FH loop or FH topspin, which requires the bat to be a lot more closed than this shot requires.
I'll try it tonight with my practice partner, I hope I can surprise him with some awesome shots! :)
Thanks a lot, PingSkills!
Thanks for the kind words about our videos Harihara Sundar. We'll add your suggestion to our list of videos to make.
nicc
Thanks for all your videos. I am really getting better with every video i watch and i am really thankful to you guys.
Muchas gracias por los excelentes videos, son motivadores e ilustrativos. Me han ayudado a mejorar como tenimesista.
I am really watching all videos uploaded since six months from now. my play has been dramatically changed. many thanks for your great efforts and support in all sessions introduced. I can say that ur videos are the best for learning all the basics of all play styles. thx
+Mohammed Marei That is great news. Keep up the good work. Have you signed up for our weekly emails on the PingSkills website?
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Fantastic video jeff & alois. You guys are doing a lot of good work here in sharing your TT knowledge with the rest of us. Keep up the good work. Can you make a video about forehand topspin against side spin.
Such pure strokes 😍
Great video guys! You guys are the best!
see the video on coach emrathich then you will not say this.
Great video!
Thanks so much for these videos! A group of friends and I started an informal table tennis club a couple months back. 3 tables in a studio space and about 12 semi-regulars. We were all typical, average, dozen or so games a year players, (with drunken marathons back in college) but have now been playing a couple nights a week for a few hours each night. Lately, we have been watching your videos on spin techniques, serves, etc. I have such a hard time returning backspin balls. I finally stopped hitting most of them into the net, but now I am going way too high with them and then I am immediately forced to block the oncoming attack. I've gotten fairly decent at blocking because of this, hahaha. Anyway, I guess I will work on returning the backspin low and short before trying to add any attacking.... Anywho, forgive my rambling personal story, I just wanted to say I really appreciate these videos! They have really helped me up my game!
+Lopan Thanks for sharing your story. It's great that you are all getting into the game and training regularly. This will certainly help you improve. As for keeping the ball low, Google "keeping the ball low pingskills" and watch that video for some ideas on how to train that skill. If you ever have any questions you can always ask the coach on the PIngSkills website too! And if you sign up for a free account we'll send you our free email newsletter with lots of tips each week. Keep up the good work :)
Use friction instead of pushing it. Its called a chop for a reason.
I have learnt topspin perfectly through your videos....Thank you ! 🙂
Glad to hear it. Keep up the good work!
You are my only coach in my Table tennis life
I'm glad we can help.
Hi Jiecheng Zhang,
We already have a video on that. You can find it on our TH-cam channel or on our website under the strokes & techniques section of our Lessons page.
Superb video
love all of your videos
+Alejandro Egusquiza Thanks for the kind words. Good luck with your table tennis.
I've spent the whole day watching your videos on this channel. Good job!
Thanks. Make sure to checkout the PingSkills website too!
done :)
Nice one :)
Alois/Jeff: This is an excellent tutorial. The forehand topspin (against any stroke) is perhaps the weakest part of my game. My forehand counter-hit and block are effective; however, neither stroke allows me to take the offensive. Also, any "loop" I successfully hit is either too slow or too high which allows my opponent to seize the advantage. I look forward to practicing what you've suggested...
Great to hear. After you've practiced it a bit you can ask any questions using the "ask the coach" section of the PingSkills website. Good luck!
i have watched almost all your videos and need to thank you for awsome guidence
+Farzana Marium You're welcome. I'm glad you are enjoying our videos. You can also sign up for a free account on the PingSkills website and receive our weekly email newsletter :)
Best channel to learn table tennis - ping skills
Thanks for your support :)
Can you guys do a vid on BH against backspin. This would help a lot.
Thanks!
Very helpfull.....thx
You're welcome.
excelent guide!!!
Thanks DJH MULTISCALE
Good
A great channel 👍
Thanks :)
awesome vid
Thanks.
wow! superb video. Every skill in table tennis can be learnt from your videos.I frequently watch your videos to improve my game.I am thankful to you for providing such wonderful table tennis lessons.But i have a question.Do we have to hold the racquet with a soft hand or a tight hand?
Thanks! Take a look at this question and answer www.pingskills.com/table-tennis-forum/soft-or-hard/
Basically you want quite a relaxed grip.
PingSkills , can you recommend a bat with thick sponge i really like ti spin, but also i want control
Superb!
That's always my mistake.
Thank you very much.
I'll never forget this:
"Heavy backspin, Vertical; Less backspin, more Forward"
+AsianBoy I'm glad we were able to help. Keep working on that forehand topspin :)
Thanks a lot.
I'm a newbie in penhold style and dramatically inspired by Kim Taek Soo's forehands !
+AsianBoy Yes, that is a fine forehand!
sir You are doing a great job..Thanks
I would like to see Topspins in running game where the length and direction of ball is not fixed.
Can you please share some vids
Bhushan Takwani Thanks. If you want to see this in real matches then watch some of the live ITTF tournaments. Go to the ITTF website and click on the itTV link.
Luv your vids-but can you also please put more slo-mo as well to see action breakdown of strokes,etc...-that would be fantastic:) Keep up the great work-appreciate it!
sk googoo Thanks for the feedback. We have been trying to add more slow mo's. I love slow mo's too! But next time I'll try to put even more in!
wow sir u are great .
+satya1993ctc Thanks!
Great video as ususal and thanks for sharing with us TT enthusiasts. Just wanted to add that it would be easier for a long shot ball, but what about a shorter ball closer to the net?
Hi Roman Adar,
This shot is only useful if the ball comes over the end of the table before the second bounce. If it is going to bounce twice you need to use the push or the flick strokes.
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I appreciate your prompt reply and the two other techniques you mentioned I've learn and applied from yours teaching. Thanks again.
Roman Adar You're welcome.
***** Hi, It's not me who has the videos, but PingSkills.com. Go to their site and search for a push as well as as the flick stroke. I use quite often the push as well as the backhand flick when receiving a short serve. This is something I've learned among other useful techniques things from their videos and comments.
***** thanks for the questions and thanks Roman Adar for the answers!
Certainly take a look at the PingSkills website and if you have any questions you can use the "Ask the Coach" section and we'll be sure to answer you!
its very learning video
I hope you enjoyed it.
yaa
Nice video! Now , could you help me with one thing , might even be a good video idea. I've been playing table tennis for 5 years now and recently I feel like I'm losing my form and I've been playing worse and worse. Any suggestions what to do?
Hi TheToXaS112,
That could be a good video suggestion. This can happen especially after you've been playing for a while. It's important to remember that progress is not always linear. Sometimes we are going to feel like we are having a slump in form. It's often good to simply keep on practicing as you always would. Things will turn around.
thanks pingskills. what rubber can you recommend to make countering underspin easier? thank again.👍
What are you using at the moment?
ah so its like a buggy whip in tennis, makes sense now. ive been having trouble returning strong backspin shots with topspin, this helps a lot
I'm not sure what a buggy whip is in tennis but I'm glad this video helped you out.
PingSkills it's simply where you start very low and finish above the head, making an almost purely vertical stroke. Incidentally very effective when returning backspin. It's the same concept
Ah thanks for clearing that up :)
It would be helpful if you could show us how to do the forehand tomahawk serve.
Hi KiRA CLAN,
We have a whole series of videos on our website for our premium members and one of those is about the forehand tomahawk serve.
Hi guys
If I compare Jeff's stroke with that of some Chinese pro teaching videos, what I observe is that the pro will let his forearm drop so that it almost hangs vertically and then they will rotate about the elbow while performing the weight transfer. Jeff's elbow remains fairly hooked and the rotation mostly comes from the upper body and shoulder. Is this just a difference in style or an optical illusion or is either technique more effective than the other?
Thanks
Good observation *****. It is a difference in style which some people refer to as the Asian vs European style. If you notice players like Gatien in particular and Timo Boll for example, they tend to have shorter strokes compared to the Chinese like Wang Liqin and Ma Long. I find it easier to control the ball with my elbow bent whereas Alois prefers to have his arm extended more at the start. Try out both ways and see which you like best. I think when Alois teaches he leans towards having the arm more extended at the start.
Cheers,
Jeff.
How would you attack a high lob with backspin? I seem to hit too flat and it goes straight down.
+Tom Wei You have a couple of options. On is to open the angle of your bat slightly to counter the backspin. Another option is to add a bit of topspin as you hit the lob.
Nice Guide Sir, I got have problem when I Play topspin(more often in backhand) (If I use wrist to brush the ball,my shot goes wrong,but If don't use of wrist the to brush the ball shot goes right but in this ball don't get brushing properly).
So please sir tell me can I use the wrist to brush the ball?
+FreeIndia FreeIndia On the backhand side you certainly can use your wrist. On the forehand side it isn't used as much. I find that if you keep your wrist relaxed it will naturally move a little bit which is effective for the forehand.
Very thank you Sir,I'm very glad to clarify my problem.Doing great job sir,once again thank you
Correct me if wrong, we have to take.the shot after it completes the projection after it pitches on our side of table, if not either it goes out of the table or it will hit net
I'm not exactly sure what you mean. You do have to hit the ball after it bounces on your side of the table.
PingSkills after it bounces, it has to complete the bounce and when ball is going down, then only we should hit the ball to convert the backspin to top, if not ball would fly off the table.
@@BushanBengaluru Ah I see. A good place to hit such a shot is at the top of the bounce. You can also wait till the ball is dropping if that feels more comfortable for you but the top of the bounce gives you the best angle to hit the ball onto the table.
hello coach i have a question some of players are serving and while they serving they are attracting or putting their leg to the ground u know i dont know how to explain that its like shooting ur leg to the ground and my question is what is the advantage of that and coach as you know there are many videos about forehand backhand topspins but i didnt see any backhand topspin from the table which many players do it like fan Z.D and others can u make a video for us please and if u remember i have asked u a question about forehand and u answered me then u said let me know if it will work so yes it works and thanks for info.
+Enes Pasha I'm glad the video we suggested works. We do have videos on the backhand topspin and advanced backhand topspin. You can find them on the PingSkills website under Lessons -> Strokes & Techniques. I'm not really sure what you mean about the leg when serving. I don't think there is a real advantage in moving your legs a lot when serving.
I guess he means that is some of the player strike the ground hard when serving
I have zero confidence in this shot. I practice the starting and finishing positions, body rotations and footwork each time at the club and it feels fine, but in practice drills I don't connect at all on probably two thirds of the balls. Earlier tonight at the club I wondered if my playing height is still too high off the table. I'm fairly tall at 6'5 (195cm - credit to Google translate) but I do squat down during my swings, to the point where any more feels like I will be immobile. Anyways, thankyou Alois and Jeff for the awesome tutorials!
Mike D If you are not connecting at all then try focusing more on watching the ball as closely as possible. I know this sounds simple but sometimes when concentrating on everything else we don't do this as well as we should and can end up missing the ball totally.
If you are tall you do need to get down quite low which is sounds like you are doing. Try with them maybe 1 and a half two times the width of your shoulders. Also are you comfortable doing the forehand topspin against block? If not practice that a bit more first.
Let us know how you get on with some more practice.
PingSkills Greetings, Alois and Jeff! I believe what was happening was that I was attempting the shot on balls that were hit to me too short, sometimes nearly bouncing twice on the table. I had a partner hit some deeper backspin shots to me and started connecting much more reliably.
This shot is scandalous fun to use in games! It feels especially nice when there is almost no noise made when my paddle connects with the ball, it is like a stealth hit. Glorious!
Thankyou Alois and Jeff for the excellent videos and communications. Take care.
Mike D It's great to hear you are making good progress. Keep enjoying using this shot, it certainly is a lot of fun.
Hello :) This is one of my fav shot in the game, but some time when I play it goes further out of the table if you you could point me what I am doing wrong?
Taimur Ali It is a great shot to play! :) Often if the ball is going long it means that you aren't getting enough topspin on the ball. Try getting a fast brushing contact on the ball to generate more topspin. Let me know if that helps. You can also ask a question on our website using the "ask the coach" page!
Good luck!
Jeff.
Thank you :)
I will try soon, So many people here in Pakistan watch your videos to learn.. keep it up :)
Taimur Ali Good luck. Let me know how it goes.
Please Coach What Is Your Compination Blade And 2 Rubbers !
Hi BaZoKa EhaB,
Both Alois and I are using the PingSkills Touch with Xiom Vega Pro.
can you give me an advice that whenever the ball is low i try to hit it ..but it goes in nett...what should i do .. and also make a video of how to make your game faster
If you keep hitting the ball into the net then you need to swing higher to get the ball higher. When doing this then try to brush the ball to generate topspin so it will dip down onto the table. Good luck!
Becuse there is some spin on the ball, probably backspin. You need to brush the ball upwards generating forward spin.
Do you do weight transfer with your knees on this stroke, the same way you would with a regular loop?
Great question. You do want to transfer your weight from your back leg to your front leg as you play this stroke.
@@pingskills thanks! Is it the same mechanics as on the fh loop?
Yes.
I'd like to know what rubber do you use on forehand
Xiom Vega Pro.
Would it be easier to execute this stroke and get it over the net with a high throw angle rubber?
I most often end up smacking the ball into the net!
Thanks
+HÄNDÄ Some people suggest that a high throw angle may help. I believe though that it's more about the technique. It is hard to lift the backspin. Try brushing the ball more whilst having your bat come upwards a little faster. Let me know if that helps.
Hi there. ...this was a very helpful video but the problem I am facing is that I end up hitting 90 percent of my shots outside the table while taking the racket vertically. What should I do to improve this?
It sounds like you need to generate more topspin to get the ball to dip onto the table. You can do this by closing the angle of your bat, or by having a more brushing contact.
@@pingskills thank you....I will surely try that.
My ball is not totally brushing what do i do i will hold the bat tightly or losely please tell me please
Your tutorial really helped me because its my weakness... I'm watching it again to refine me stroke mechanism just wanted to know what does standing fairly square means here at 3:25
Sometimes it gets really hard to return with forehand topspin because I'm out of position and I don't get time to duck down n with subsequent shots the backspin keeps increasing on the ball and I just get tired keeping up with backspin coz I see the heavy backspin coming n I know I won't be able to return
Learning to play against backspin does take a while. It does sound like you are on the right track. As for standing square on it just means don't be too side on to the table. I'm glad our tutorials are helping. Be sure to check out the PingSkills.com website too as the videos are arranged in a logical order. Good luck with your table tennis.
im trying what u told ... bt nt able to put the ball over the net ...do u think it problem with d bat ? ...i use a gki offensive xx bat
Are the rubbers still grippy?
PingSkills how do i know if its enough grippy ? how do i know when to change my bat .... its 8 months old now
As a rough guide we say a rubber will last about 80 to 100 hours of actual playing time. You can test by rubbing the ball against the rubber and seeing if it grips.
In my opinion aim for the base line and you might still be not opening up your bat that much. Dont go for speed, main aim is to make it across the net so loop higher if you have to and then adjust from there.
Good tip.
Is it ok to keep your wrist bend while forehand topsin or we should keep it flat
i keep my wrist bend too much while forehand topspin
Hi Anirudh Verma,
For the basic stroke you want to keep your wrist fairly straight and relaxed. You will naturally use a little bit of wrist but not as much as on the backhand. If you want to generate sidespin (a more risky stroke) you can use your wrist to change the angle so you get the sidespin. Take a look at our video on the forehand sidespin topspin to see what I mean.
Is this(Forehand Topspin) the same thing as a Forehand Loop?
Yes.
Actually i am confused when to use loop when to topspin and when to do smash and my main problem is everytime my ball goes out of table ...please help me
If the ball is going off the end of the table then add more topspin as it will help the ball dip down.
I know this video is old but i have an important question. How a not so experienced player can determine if a hit has heavy backspin or little backspin? I get it wrong many times and the ball goes way up. Same with the backhand against backspin.
Great question. It does come with experience and by watching the contact of the bat and ball very closely. We have some premium videos on this topic: www.pingskills.com/tutorials/introduction-to-receiving
Good luck!
hello
Please put subtitle in spanish? Thanks
But is there any trick to attack even on a short lenght backspin
There is - watch this tutorial for some more information - www.pingskills.com/tutorials/intermediate-strokes/forehand-flick
I can lift the ball against backspin fairly easily. However, my problem is it doesn't have enough pace and gets driven back at me. How do I add pace and lift at the same time?
Great question. The key is to get the bat moving through faster. You do this by using your legs, your waist, your shoulders, your arm. Take a look at our advanced forehand video on the following page and see if it helps: www.pingskills.com/table-tennis/strokes-and-technique/
Good luck!
Coach, what is the difference between a backspin ball and an underspin ball?
They are the same, just different words to describe the same thing.
I heard people say downspin and bottomspin before
It must be mentioned that every single ball is different in terms of speed and spin, so one sole movement like this would be rather hard to apply in a actual game. Also, you can tell that it is weak backspin, in reality no one professional would offer you such a move. They would either apply heavy backspin or aim it somewhere else. This just demonstrates the easiest version of forehand topspin against backspin. Easy placement. Easy spin. Try using this move on a heavy backspin which isn't in a comfortable position.
Wow, you really have a big need for attention, smartass
They are explaining thebasic principles/ mechanics/ theory of this stroke.
@@purpose6113 Basic principles includes adjusting your stroke which any beginner or professional attempts to do, this is just a fact of pretty much any sport. That move in the video certainly isnt wrong per se for that specific type of back spin and placement but they could always increase the realness of the video by mentioning things like, "make the paddle angle more vertical if encountering heavier topspin or if you dont have enough strength or control." or "don't hit the ball directly but at an angle, this adds sidespin, to have better accuracy or control"
@@purpose6113 Eventually you will understand the importance of paying attention and being flexible, if you reach a certain level mind you. Nothing really wrong with pursuing a higher level of skill. I also never said that the video was bad, just wanted to offer a reminder.
hope i got such a couch
Hopefully we can help you through the PingSkills website :)
Keep enjoying your table tennis.
can i use this if they serve short?
No, in that case you can push the ball back or if you want to be more attacking try the flick. We have tutorials on both these shots on the PingSkills website.
Sir, i want simple backspin and advanced backspin video where i can get it.
I searched how to hit backspin on TH-cam for half hour but i didn't got it.
Start here - www.pingskills.com/tutorials/basic-strokes/backhand-push
What's the significance of angles between your arms?
It gives you the correct finish position. A lot of players swing their bat across their body and this leads to inconsistent results. By finishing with the 90/90 angles you get a nice consistent stroke.
I see. Thanks for the reply. You're one of the best Table Tennis channels out there on TH-cam. Keep up the good work. :)
Thanks :)
my opponent chop the ball in which after first bounce the ball comes near the edge of deep and the ball doesn't bounce much what should I do??
Try using the push stroke which is returning the ball with a bit of backspin - www.pingskills.com/tutorials/basic-strokes/backhand-push
penhold grip also same?
Yes, for the forehand topspin, most of the points in this video are true for the penhold grip too.
+PingSkills if backhand topspin?
It's a bit different for the backhand topspin with the penhold. Google "pingskills penhold techniques" to see it in action.
Recorded with iphone 6?
No krakenblast, we have some Sony video cameras and a GoPro.
my top spin's ball doesn't spin sideways left or right , it just goes on spin straightway
after hitting the opponents table it goes on straight rather than deviating right or left
+Rehan Riaz That's fine. It just means you are hitting pure topspin.
how do i generate swing in my top spin?
+Rehan Riaz If you want some sidespin then you need to alter the angle of your wrist so you hit the ball partly on the side. We have a lesson on the forehand sidespin topspin. Look for it on the PingSkills website under Lessons -> Strokes & Techniques.
what blade & rubber? used jef
I use the PingSkills Touch with Xiom Vega Pro.
blade?
The PingSkills Touch - www.pingskills.com/table-tennis-store/custom-bats.php
made in pingskills good job 👍
how to chop against topspin
Here's a tutorial on the backhand chop that will help you: www.pingskills.com/tutorials/advanced-strokes/backhand-chop
video starts at 0:00 thank me later
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