Advanced Forehand Topspin (Loop) | Table Tennis | PingSkills
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Once you've mastered the start and finish position of the forehand topspin, you can start to focus on finer details. In this video we talk about the position of your legs, weight transfer, varying the finish position, incorporating footwork, the use of your wrist, and the angle of your bat for the stroke.
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Good luck with your table tennis.
Cheers,
Jeff Plumb and Alois Rosario
It's really hard to understand how anyone can dislike this video, smh. I mean, how much better can this get? Good job guys 👍 God bless 🙏
I dont like this, i think this is a weak solition , and also ......
every now and then i come to pingskills videos to review my basics, and i ALWAYS learn or remember a lot of things
I'm glad they are helping you improve. Keep up the good work with your table tennis!
Same!!
@@giraffitee very good explanation.
Always good to check in on videos you first saw years ago! Almost as useful as it was the first time👌
Glad you still like it!
I was a penhold gripper once and that time I wasn't able to strike topspin so I changed my grip to shake hand and now I can do many shots and that's why I want to thank you with my whole heart.
I love playing penhold but it is harder to get consistent topspin I’ve noticed.
The best teachers of table tennis in the internet.
Man I can really see the spin you guys are putting on the ball. Love the videos!
Thanks Chris. Make sure to checkout the PingSkills website too as you can track your progress through all our videos :)
Great video , I coach my students using this video . Very much appreciated !
Will I play better if I keep my legs hairy like jeff or smooth like alois?
hahaha brooo u nailed it
The best comment I have seen for a while
Hairy like Jeff.
Cheers,
Jeff.
You will play better if you shave your head like Alois
It's true :)
After probably watching 50 tutorials, this is by far the best one. Great work, guys👍👍👍
thank u so much it is really very useful to me, as being an up coming table tennis player; i had many doubts. after watching this video i got many ideas about playing a proper topspin and iam sure the way u teach is very comfort to learn . i hope this video is going to be very useful to many up coming table tennis players..................... good job keep going.
Hi Alois. Greetings from Indonesia. I really love the way how you explain the tutorial. I do understand it clearly. Thank you so much. I have been practicing table tennis with my coach for about a year, but i still make mistakes on doing a topspin smash and I hope after watching your video I am able to improve my skill. 👍🙏🇮🇩
Thanks for your kind words. Good luck with your table tennis. Make sure to check out our website for more helpful videos.
You are better than my trainer in my club..
+Vuyo CSGO Thanks for your kind words. I hope you are enjoying our videos. Have you checked out the PingSkills website? You can sign up for our free email newsletter and we'll send you weekly tips :)
PingSkills Ok, thank you for answer :D
The are both former international players so they should know their stuff!
I love your channel .... !!!! It helps me alot.... Thankyou for making these helpful videos....!! Keep it up..👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
oh man, love your music choice :)
These videos are the best thing over. i m learning alot
great tutorial, great music at the end 🏩
Really good bat angle explanation. I kept trying to adjust the angle of the bat but i never considered the speed of the arm for more grip on the ball. No wonder I find faster rallies easier
Prime music choice at the end. ;D Salsa dancing ftw.
Very cool advice about racket angle! I love this video :)
I'm glad you found it useful.
Detailed explanation of 0.5 second action, you'r the best guys!
+Vadym Kovalenko Thanks :)
both of them crossed the center line of the body. still, the forms look real good!
+rvsd44 We see a lot of people who when starting out really swing the bat way across the body so we find this direction really helps people understand how the stroke should look and feel. As long as you finish up nice and high then you can come across slightly.
Good concept. . When I pray nd practice I tend to go past mid line.. but when I try to limit the shot becomes less powerful.. but I will definitely try and share my results with u. Thanks for rrsponse and thet to faaast.
Ping skills you are the best till now
Thanks for your support :)
Thanks coach...practically I see good results in my game after this video !
That is great to hear Dinesh. Keep up the good work!
Yes! a tutorial vid! Been a long time
thanks for the great video, really appreciated
advance serving videos would be nice that mimic some pro player serves. also countering backspin/chops with topsin/loop for both forehand and backhand
+IamMotionMedia also training drills, for improving stroke consistency and FOOTWORK :D
+IamMotionMedia We have a whole series on serving on the PingSkills website for our premium members.
+PingSkills And again as part of our premium membership we have a course called Training Secrets and we have a 52 week training program to help you decide what to practice. Check them out at the PingSkills website.
Awesome video on topspin !
+Angad Pathak Thanks. I'm glad you liked it.
Jeff, you play table tennis very well. nice player he is!!
Thanks :)
Awesome videos thanks for your work !
+moileportugais You're welcome. Have you been playing table tennis for long?
+PingSkills 10 years but still learning some placement tips looking these videos x)
+moileportugais Great. I'm glad we've been able to help you learn a few things :)
You really deserve more subscribers
i thank u guys so much for helping me improve my table tennis skills and i look forward to your new videos ;)
+Hacker Ftw You're welcome. I'm glad we've been able to help you. Make sure to checkout the PingSkills website too :)
it will help us layers so much thank you for your kindness
You're welcome.
What is the best way to return a fast low ball top spin? Should I block or should I loop kill?
If you can loop it back then go for it. It is a difficult shot which is why a lot of people choose to block the ball back.
PingSkills... That's true.. It's very difficult to loop kill a fast top spin but very low ball... It always goes into the net or off the table otherwise... Thanks. I think it's better to block that shots.
It's certainly more likely to go back on the table! But as I said, if you feel confident and can execute the counter attack then it's far more devastating.
I hope you enjoyed this lesson. For more advanced strokes tutorials visit our website: www.pingskills.com/tutorials/advanced-strokes
Cheers,
Jeff & Alois
Fantastic techniques..
Slow motion giving better understanding..
Hi PingSkills! Great material about topspin! My question: is there an optimal ratio of speed and topspin rotation to maximize the magnus effect, means to get the strongest curve? Thanks a lot for your answers or eventually another video! Br Achim
Close the angle of the bat as much as you can and maximize the speed of the arm movement. In case the ball still comes down directly into the net, move the bat more vertically.
After watching this video I m clear this,more thanks.
Great lesson
Thankyou
this type videos is better make more
+elshad sarioghli Thanks. We will keep making these but we do like the ask the coach videos too! Make sure you checkout the PingSkills website as we do have hundreds of these types of videos there.
This type of videos are good to improve my virtual tables tennis game skills :D :-D
Wow, I'm glad it is helping virtually :)
Love all the videos....:):X:P:D
Thanks for your support Vijay.
Great instruction.
Thanks :)
Nice, but you still cross the central line of the body. :)
+psychoreaper86
i guess its ok, if u do a hard topspin stroke and have the time
Although they tell no to do, they do(a little) when they are playing.... It's a matter of being ready again to the next stroke as soon as possible.
psychoreaper86 4:14
Very well explained.
Thanks Hemant.
I noticed that Jeff has a rather small snap of the forearm during his topspin. The angle between the forearm and the upper arm is almost the same before and after the stroke. He compensates for the potential lack of power with a good body rotation but it might still be a thing to keep an eye on for further instructional videos.
Good observations. This can vary between top level players. Most of the Chinese have a longer backspin extending the elbow but some Europeans like Timo Boll have a much smaller backswing and use their rotation.
You said not to cross the midline in the forehand top spin but in every shot you hit you crossed it. Was that an ideal statement or a practical one as the hand crosses the nose in every forehand top spin I see in this video!
The main point is to make sure you don't swing too low and lose the shape and therefore the consistency of your stroke. Also note that as the body twists so does that middle line.
I see. But wouldn't the head rotate along with the body twisting? Seems to me the relationship of the cervical and thoracic spine would stay the same on the pelvis. Thank you for your reply! I'm going to become a member to your site. You have excellent videos!
Awesome. Yeah the main point is to keep the finish position up high near your forehead. As soon as you swing low and across your body the stroke becomes very inconsistent.
Can you guys make a video on countering very fast topspin with topspin of your own?
That's the video I wanted to watch.Videos like Ask the Coach shows are really boring and it doesn't get high views.Keep on the short detailed video! :D
+SKhuder AQW I'm glad you liked it. Yes these videos always get more views but we feel there is a place for the ask the coach videos so we'll keep doing both.
+PingSkills Okay. :) May I ask you a question? I have a trick on serving, I spin it on my hands and then hit it and it spins greatly. XD Is it allowed or not?
+SKhuder AQW Unfortunately it is not allowed. You must throw the ball up without imparting spin on it.
It certainly does generate more spin when you do this but I guess that is why they banned it.
6:15 min the blue 👕 couch he is crossing the centre of the body while hitting the topspin ball which comes with a block
Nice to see you taking notice. The bat can go past a little bit and the stroke will still be consistent and this is fine as a technique. The main point about not crossing the line is to ensure you don't go right across your body which a lot of players tend to do when learning the stroke, as this will cause the stroke to be very inconsistent.
amazing video! my only question is that you recommend not to cross "center line" on the loop forehand finish position, but it looks like you cross the center line on the bigger forehand loop stroke every time.
The center line is really just to highlight not going across your body too much. If you pass it just a little bit that is fine.
@@pingskills thanks so much! helpful clarification!
Thanks Coach🌹💯
+Mohamed Duwisan You're welcome.
Thanks for the video!
You're welcome.
It really works thanks ping skill
You're welcome.
awesome one helped me a lot :-)
Glad to hear it.
Good explained! I've been training my forehand topspin for a year but still can't make efficient spin.
+Виталий Витренко I'm glad you liked it. Make sure you get the start and finish position correct and then have a brushing contact. And also take a look at the PingSkills website and sign up for our free email newsletter for more tips :)
I've seen trainers advising their players to move the bat leg forward while hitting de ball. I think it's unnecesary if you correctly transfer your body weight from leg to leg and that it compromises your balance and the recovery of the legs for the next stroke. What do you think about that?
It certainly is important to maintain your balance, hence I like the weight transfer not to be from your back leg to your front leg. However sometimes when people are hitting the ball really fast they can jump into the ball.
Great video mate ! :)
+Max Lippmann Thanks!
Really like the video. Got one question: where is the best contact point on the paddle for this type of forehand top spin? Thanks.
Between the middle and the edge of the rubber is a good spot. Having said that, experiment yourself and see what results you get from hitting the ball in different spots. There's nothing like seeing the results yourself for learning something like this. It's great to see you thinking about these things. Keep up the good work!
Awesome vid!
+Dorian Howell Thanks. I'm glad you liked it.
I won my school level tournament .......thankssssss
Well done. Keep up the good work!
great information thanks. I've always had trouble with proper technique on my forehand. Just a few questions though. Does this technique change for close to table or far from table hitting? Also what changes for hitting backspin other than angle of the stroke?
+Rocky s Great questions. The basic technique stays the same but if you are closer to the table you may need to shorten your swing a little since you'll have less time. And if you are further away you can lengthen it a little. Against backspin you need to swing a bit more vertically to counter the spin. Take a look at our Forehand Topspin Against Backspin video for more details on this. You can find all the videos nicely presented in order on the PingSkills website. Let me know if this helps out. Good luck with your table tennis.
great video..thanks a ton
You're welcome.
I love this video
My faviroute shot
awesome can you tell us how to improve the rubber grip
Unfortunately the grip wears out with use, so once it starts to go the best option is to buy new rubbers.
thx ca you make a video on you vs jeff plz I would love to see youy two play with your awesome and mad skills please :D
Have you seen this? th-cam.com/video/MTxATrjOoLY/w-d-xo.html
ur new videos are coming with more explanation...keep it up...
+nafi uzzaman Thanks for the kind words. We'll certainly keep making more table tennis videos :)
You told in tutorial that racket should not pass center of body to recover fast. But in the last few seconds of your video, it is passing in all the shots made.
Good observation. We mention this to make sure that players aren't bringing their swing way across their body. As long as the bat finishes quite high and you don't go too far past the stroke will be more consistent.
What racquet do you use?
I have got a faster racquet, palio expert2 and now i am having hard time playing powerful strokes. All i am able to do is block, or sometime play half hearted strokes. Can you suggest some ways i can adjust quickly. With my previous racquet, i was able to play so many shots, from different positions and now if i am not in position i always miss time it. Looks like margin of error is very less.
With a faster rubber it can seem like it is hard to control but once you get used to it and are able to trust yourself to play full shots, you will then be able to generate the topspin on the ball which will give you the extra margin for error for attacking strokes. Take a look at this answer to a question and see if it helps you: www.pingskills.com/table-tennis-forum/adjusting-myself-with-new-bat
You can always leave a comment on the website if you have further questions. Good luck with your new bat. I have heard it is a good bat.
are there any differences in doing this when using a tacky and a grippy rubber? I was using grippy rubbers for 3 years then i'm planning to change my rubber. Thank you for the reply.
What are the approximate BAT ANGLES and ARM MOVEMENT ANGLES that you use for your OPENING LOOP against HEAVY BACKSPIN? And how do these same angles compare to the BAT ANGLES and ARM MOVEMENT ANGLES you personally use for your COUNTER-LOOPS against HEAVY TOPSPIN?
I've an issue with forehand.. I've just started playing table tennis a year ago...
Whenever I try to make forehand smash, i kinda brush the ball for top spin which means i can't hit the ball flat.. That's why I lack speed in forehand smash which is definitely not good... I've tried to flatten the contact but most of the time it goes off table if I try to be more flatter..
Nice! :D
+Wicked Al Thanks!
In the past i have tried to add a bit of wrist movement (as you suggest here), but found it threw my timing off. Is there an easy way to get started with that? Also, I could be wrong, but is this the first video where I see Alois hitting shots?!
+Zazen forever I don't think you really need to focus too much on the wrist if it is throwing your timing off. The key is to relax it and let it work naturally.
Alois has done the hitting in other videos too. You can see them all easily on the PingSkills website.
Thanks you
Nice tutorial! I'd like to see a Very Advanced Tutorial with emphasis on more power. You're leaving some power behind when not extending the arm fully on the back-swing. The instructions here are more "whip like" and closer to Timo Boll's style than Ma Long's.
+Mikael Berglund Nice observation.
Hi Alos, I noticed that Jeff's arm is bent at a 90 degree angle at the bottom of his backswing, yet most of the Chinese instruction videos I see (and Brett Clark"s) show the arm fully extended. Is this just a matter of personal preference?
+Zazen forever It is a matter of personal preference. As you mention a lot of the Chinese have the arm straight and Alois generally prefers this. Some of the Europeans have there arm bent more. Do you have a preference yourself? If not go for the shot with the arm extended a bit and see how it goes.
Cheers,
Jeff.
Can you make a video on how to concentrate during a match?
+rambo man Good suggestion. We'll add it to our list. In the meantime if you go to the PingSkills website and then to the "Ask the Coach" page, you can search for concentration and find some interesting discussions that may help you.
My coach says to first learn topspin taking your hand from down below your knees and then shorten it...what if i directly hit the ball topspining from my knee level ? " Am a beginner"
Where should my contact be on the ball in my forehand topspin? Should it be shoulder width, in front of me, behind me, next to me, etc?
Put your two hands together in front of you. This is about the distance you want to hit the ball away from your body.
Hahahaha omg my coach was fcking me up by keep on telling me that u hav to keep your racket angle up for rubbing the ball in top spins and my ball kept in going far from the table ! After fcking up my 2 yrs with my coach , not dis video cleared the funda that one should adjust the angle of the racket acc to you .. Thanks for this amazing information and education ❤️
Glad we could help.
thanks a lot😃
You're welcome.
So, Jeff obviously has a bent arm loop with his elbow bent at 90 degrees. Many others advocate a straight arm loop (Brett Clarke, for one). What are advantages/disadvantages of either? Its hard for me to get a lot of power with a bent arm loop. Am i doing something wrong? Thanks.
HI Zazen, I like to have my arm bent at the start as I feel I get more control like this. A lot of European players have forehands like this. Alois though starts with his arm much straighter and more Chinese players play their forehands like that. If you feel more comfortable then start with your arm straighter. In fact Alois generally recommends this too. Great question! Good luck improving your forehand.
Cheers,
Jeff.
seems like the demonstrations dont use that much of the lower arm, wouldnt it increase the spin if you use the lower arm a little while accelerating your body into the ball?
Where is the first part of this video?
+daniel cadena garcia The best place to find it is on the PingSkills website. Go to Table Tennis Lessons -> Strokes & Techniques.
Do I need. To bend my wrist while doing top spin?
Thanks a lot great video :D. I just have one question which nobody can seem to answer, I get too much sidespin on the ball and players at my club say that is not a good thing. I'm an intermediate player so I can control the sidespin but I can't seem to get straight forehand topspin shots there's always a little sidespin to it. This problem is only for my forehand and i'm a lefty. Please suggest something I can do to tackle this problem.
+Ahmed Bilal Getting sidespin is not a problem if that's what you mean to do. The sidespin is caused by the bat being on an angle and it's often because you've locked your wrist. If you try and relax you wrist then you should be able to hit the ball with your wrist not on an angle and get just topspin. Let me know if this helps.
And one reason which I think is that you hit ball close to your body when it is in front of you.
To hit pure top spin you will need to let ball come to your side or if it is coming towards to your body you need to move away to make space so that ball comes to your side and there is arm length gap and then you hit.
I think i am slightly late in replying
i have a question regarding the forward force
are you using the turning of the body primarily for the forward force? or does the shoulder/arm also turn forward just a bit? it seems like arm basically snaps and adds spin and the turning of the body delivers most of the forward power? is that correct?
It is a combination of all that you mention. We like to call it the summation of forces.
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Hi, do you guys have a video or tip for the forehand topspin hook and forehand topsping fade? In case you call it in another way it's a topspin with some sidespin to place it wide in the table.
We sure do. You can find it on the PingSkills website under Table Tennis Lessons -> Strokes & Techniques. Or google "forehand topspin sidespin pingskills"
PingSkills Thank you very much
You're welcome.
Hey Alois I'm a J-pen player and I'm wondering when to block and when to forehand topspin. I know Ryu Seung Min used (well he's a fat middle aged man now so he can't) his lighting fast footwork across the table to forehand topspin but he also blocked as well. How did he make the decision to forehand topspin or to block? How did would he come to the conclusion that he wouldn't be able to forehand topspin in certain situations?
He was an incredible player. I think he tried to attack at every opportunity. Even when he blocked it was a fast block! I think that you try and topspin when you feel confident and have time for the bigger swing. When you have less time that's when to use the block.
THX COACH!!!!
How hard do you need to rub the ball or glide the ball Alex???
You need a fast brushing contact so you can generate plenty of spin.
Love how they both going past their center line after telling us not to
Yes, we need to be a bit more precise with our instructions :) The main point regarding the centre line is to ensure players don't come right across their bodies as this causes the stroke to become inconsistent and we see many beginners making this mistake. That's why we provide that advice. If you go past a little bit it is fine but we like players to start by ensuring the stroke starts low, ends high and not too far across the body.
Is there any website of yours where I could upload videos and you would help me configure the most suitable racket for me?
There is no one suitable racket. It comes down to personal preference. And once you have a decent racket the most important thing is to keep improving your technique.
I like Tom Lodziak video’s best one 👍👍👍
Yes, he has very good videos.
Why do you guys bend your arm instead of straightening it out for more bat speed? Just curious.
I tend to start with my arm bent as I feel I have more control that way but certainly you can start with your arm straight and then when you bend it you get even more bat speed. Alois tends to play more like this. Cheers, Jeff.
hey coach i have a question when i loop a forehand loop my loop isnt going to front its surrounding to the left side because that i am not looping to the front or what and when i try to loop it to front fastly the ball is staying on the net or going outside
+Enes Pasha It sounds like you may be trying to hit the ball too early. Try waiting a bit longer before you hit the ball and then make sure you get a good brushing contact to generate lots of spin. Let me know if this helps.
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