Douglas Murray: Why don't Americans understand Britain's monarchy? | SpectatorTV
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- Douglas Murray, The Spectator's associate editor, joins Cindy Yu to discuss why monarchies are good for politics. Americans have dynasties of their own - the Clintons, Bushes and Kennedys - why don't they understand kings and queens?
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I am an American. The United States is the success that it is BECAUSE of Great Britain. Canada, New Zealand, and Australia are also the good nations they are because of the English way.
@@hugosmummy1109 if they're not a success, the rest if the world is a catastrophe.
It's always amused me when I hear Americans called something like Paparelli or Berkowicz say things like "we kicked your ass in 1776" or "if it wasn't for us, you guys would be speaking German." In a country whose Declaration of Independence was written in English by men with names like Adams, Jefferson, Rutledge, Franklin, Livingston and Morris, and that had its genesis in Magna Carta. Personally, I've always seen the USA as England's greatest ever idea. It really is the New England. So as a proud Englishman, allow me to say from the mother country, long live the Republic!
@@hugosmummy1109 The crooked self appointed policeman of the world
@@hugosmummy1109 Hello June, thank you for your input. Yes, "success." Trade places with a guy or gal from Afghanistan and perhaps you will think as I do. Savvy?
@@hugosmummy1109 Yes. Success. If you don’t agree please feel free to try your luck elsewhere
Anglophile here. Lived in England for 4 years and love all my British cousins! Queen Elizabeth was so remarkable! Long live the King!
Why is that?
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I’m sorry servant what was so significant about the Queen? She cured cancer , wrote dissertation of significant discovery, spoke several languages? Or just sitting and being cute never changed a diaper or buttered a slice of bread wow 😢
thank-you from a proud Brit
thanks from a proud Brit
I caught the Ali Velshi nonsense with Andrew Roberts on MSNBC. The ignorance and the hypocrisy shocked me. Velshi's family are Muslims originally from Gujurat. I was in Gururat on business, 20 years ago, when Muslims were killed by Hindu mobs. Velshi was born in Kenya and grew up in Canada. Had it not been for the Commonwealth his family would probably still be in Gujurat. Colonialism allowed him to get to Canada.
Colonialism also involved murder on a mass scale (in fact genocide) and billions/trillions of today's pounds in theft. Not the sort of petty theft that can get juvenile's labelled scum by the Sun. In fact, it was coordinated and managed looting using the best intelligence and military actions available. In fact, this was organised crime. I can't say in fact those jewels worn on the monarch's head were stolen because I would need to check beforehand. However, based on all the other theft, those jewels were probably nabbed from some country, or dug up by enslaved people in the colonies.
If Britain (including media organisations such as the spectator) were willing to have a balanced and honest discussion about British and European colonialism, then perhaps the commonwealth would not be at its most vulnerable point. Equally, due to the inconvenience of these facts, a true discussion about the British empire involving a diverse range of people's affected may make it more vulnerable than it is now. The German's have been able to move on from the shame of the holocaust and perhaps their colonial crimes because they were forced to face the facts. They are now more socially, politically and economically stable than the UK. Consequently, I recommend Britain faced facts about empire. As evidence demonstrates this could assist the nation in becoming more socially, politically and economically stable.
If not evidence demonstrates that we will continue regressing to more and more immaturity when journalists and public speakers offer perspectives and factually correct arguments that inconvenience/shame certain media audiences. These media organisations will then further this low level of debate and inflame outrage that clouds rational discussion and comment. If any moderator reads this, I must add that given the Spectator has guests like Lawrence Fox on their shows, I don't have much hope that the Spectator will change it's agenda. Instead, I expect this tittle tattle play ground nonsense will continue to be broadcast to viewers who perhaps just want to be offended to justify their own desire to offend. What this amounts to is people who want to feel like they are victims of something they are not victims of. Which is probably because they are victims of something else.
From here Psychological and social theories are best suited for explaining the mindset and behaviours of Spectator journalism, and the audiences who consume and participate in Spectator journalism. God save Britain!! This may be a more pressing matter for the Spectator rather than concerning themselves with CNN. Scotland want independence and younger generations in N.I are reconsidering whether they want to be governed by Westminster. However, the Spectator do not seem to care about finding solutions to the threat of Britain's breakup. Instead, they have opted for Fox like news coverage, masqueraded as respectable informed journalism. Like Fox news they made it possible for a totally incompetent man to lead a country and further the decline of their nation. Therefore, what are the motives of your agenda.
Speaking to the "progressives" in the language they want to hear, trumps all.
@@hebber1961 Maybe this is how the debate should be framed: The Progressives V The Regressives (Proud to be regurgitating old ideas, beliefs, values that no longer function to hold a nation of people together). But, Hey, Divide and Rule, attracted to power to the extent of desiring authoritarianism, and Liz Truss blames everything on the people rather than the system. The system she seems to admire the most is the Chinese system. I imagine she and the money that buy's her wants a A.I techno-Victorian style morality of obedient and robotic like people. When she talks I detect a shadow jumping out of her that is violent and schizophrenic or sociopathic/ this is who the regressives want as their leader!!! Why? Because they don't want cultural evolution, they want to reduce the world down to material parts, with complete and utter control. They want to be the leaders running their subjects like figures in a mammoth computer system. Their beliefs and attitudes that can be detected by their nihilistic arrogance and ignorance is material worthy of a grotesque dystopian science fiction vision of the future. Another question, is this why they are unwilling to listen and debate and listen to solid evidence? Is it really because they hate being proved wrong so much that they would rather screw the nation and its people? Are they really that arrogant/ignorant and sadistic?
Looks like you forgot to mention the train burning by muslim mobs🙄
@@sanasama2209 This is about the reporting on the British monarchy by American Journalists. The British monarchy is synonomous (I can't spell, sorry!!). Anyway, the monarchy and the identity it represents among certain media, political and other establishment circles doesn't like talking about the crimes that happened under it's rule. It doesn't want to question what it means/represents and whether it is a force for good as the UK moves on into another era. This circle of people do not want to face the historical facts. Instead they want to write history like some sort of medieval novel that the great Cervantes took the total piss out of in his 1616 masterpiece. The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote of La Mancha. Even in this title he was poking fun at the stupidity of following such ideas that emanate from the noble and god given rights of monarchs. Anyway, that was 400 hundred years ago and today people have access to even more of the insanity of such an institution. The question that Douglas Murray needs to be asking rather than having one of his regular tantrums, is, can the monarchy reform and overcome problems such as the ink running out of their pens during diplomatic meetings? Can the institution stem the god given creation of befuddled princes from hanging out with sex traffickers for the god given right to go to bed with under age girls? I can only speculate, but the poor queen probably felt a certain number of years older after discovering her son was guilty. Can Douglas Murray understand any of this? As for Cindy Yu, all she cares about is consumer goods, fuck knows what else?
The frustrating thing is a lot of my foreign friends have soaked up all this absurd negative press about the queen and it's made me realise how truly toxic this whole woke movement has become to our society...
I suspect these people are toxic anyway. They need to justify it by nailing their colours to an (often ill-informed) woke mast. I call it the "cloak of woke".
It was never less than toxic.
America has always been jealous of Great Britain. They still look up to us - and we look down at them.
@@Happyheretic2308 Grow up
I've always said it - They might be woke, but they're not very bright
As an American, I have always been fascinated with Queen Elizabeth II. I miss her already.
Thank you. So do we in the UK. God save the King. God bless USA.
Well Stated as for academe stop worrying about Empire,That was then worry about now. The MSM is totally Woke. Colonialism brought civilization. What happened after was tribalism dictators etc
This American has always been fascinated by British history and especially Queen Elizabeth ii, as she has been Queen all my life. 💔
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As do we all!
I'm American and I'm appalled by hearing this about your late and beloved queen. I have admired her for many years like many people here do. I agree with Mr. Murray, Americans know nothing of their own history must less another countries stories. Thank you for your well presented and well spoken discussion about American culture.
I, too, am an American. Many apologies for our very badly behaved citizens. Appalling!
It is upsetting, but it's also a weaponized stereotype. You'll find the same ignorance in many/most Western schools now, since the same agenda is working through the whole Western world. Here's a TH-cam link of U.K school children who also know nothing. Countless others out there. th-cam.com/video/7n_GekMpvr8/w-d-xo.html
@@Apriluser Please don't apologise. Plenty of idiots over here who have stupid misconceptions about the US. In fact, we know the idiocracy is taking over because they talk loudest and few people take issue with them. Thank goodness there are a few who put up with the hatred they are often subjected to in order to set the record straight. All best wishes from the UK
America has done wonderful things and has a rich history. It was only 80 years ago that America saved the world, America fought a two ocean war, she fought a vile and sadistic regime in imperial Japan and had to cross the Pacific to do it and she fought the Nazis in Europe and had to cross the Pacific to do that, and at the same time she was supplying the Russians with most of their equipment to keep them going against the Germans and feeding us British to keep us going...... How easily people forget 😔 God bless America God bless freedom love from Liverpool England ❤️🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧
Here's my American version of the history of the British monarchy:
th-cam.com/video/SS-mQ42Ftc4/w-d-xo.html
Enjoy, share, but don't download it
Could Joe Biden walk behind a coffin, the length of Pennsylvania Avenue from the White House to Washington Circle in broad daylight, with no Beast or bulletproof glass? We are very different countries.
The tyrants who would assassinate a US president already have their way over here with the monarchy, why would they take up arms against a regime that works so well for them?
I hesitate to reveal my thoughts when I envisage Joe B. near a coffin!
Biden couldn't walk a fraction of that distance. He is a embarrassment to the American people and unfit to be President physically and mentally
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There was a hell of a lot of unseen security, trust me. The British tend to do these things quietly.
I remember how we stood with the U.S.A when Kennedy was assassinated. No mention of his private dealings or the most horrible man his father was to Britain.
Who?
@@frenetic1057 Joe Kennedy was an anglophobe and fought Roosevelt tooth and nail to avoid America joining the allies in WW2
Well said .
@@frenetic1057 President John Fitzgerald Kennedy his father was Joseph Kennedy in league with the Black Shirts in Britain Sir Oswald Mosely. I should read the history books.
He was the American Ambassador in England just before the start of World War 2.
I lived and worked in USA in late 1990’s. Now back in U.K. but still have a house there and spend upwards of 4 to 6 months a year in SC. I have received numerous notes of condolence from friends and neighbours; all warm and compassionate and commenting on how QE II was a wonderful and inspiring person, steeped in tradition and duty.
NYT is a rag and Washington Post not much better. Hiring in alt-Left Marxist writers from the U.K. (that are unemployable here) to spew vitriol and hate…. Awful people.
I agree , I've seen some really beautiful tributes and notes of condolence from people in America .
As an Irish person this is so rude…. To attack a family who are grieving.
Some of our own were behaving like that, complaints will be made.
So in other words ... I agree with what you're saying, I just don't like the way you're saying it. Grow up would you
@@Andinov02 🙄.
that’s not what I was saying at all
If Adolf Hitler had lived to a ripe old age and then died. Wouldn't it be valid to pour through history even if the Hitler family were grieving?
@@jewulo Ummmmm? You're comparing Elizabeth II to Adolf Hitler??
As an Irish person, you should remember what was done in this country in the name of the crown. It was illegal to speak out own language and practice our religion. Of course, that wasn't done by Elizabeth, but it was in the name of the crown she wore. Never forget that.
It's ignorance .
Educated Americans would not be so rude !
Well done Douglas!
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Well, actually they would be. After the original article in NYT which was by a black, female Professor, 4000 academics signed an open letter supporting it. In fact the ‘woke’ movement has its home in academia, and the ‘long march through the institutions’ announced by Gramsci, Marcuse and other communists of the mid 20th century has ensured that the contagion has spread to the educated professional classes including especially the media, the law, and the apparatus of government.
America is the epicentre of this cultural revolution although Britain has its own ‘woke’ problem, equally centred in academia, but it is less bitter and savage perhaps because of the tradition of respect and tolerance exemplified by our beloved late Queen.
Who is this man?
@@catherinenewman6516 where do you live, in a cave?
@@catherinenewman6516 In the UK he is a very well respected intellectual, author and commentator who speaks a great deal of common sense.
So I'm just going to mention that Canadians are "Americans" too. Perhaps the "educated Americans" mentioned above.
It's easier to blame Britain as opposed to hearing the truth and not liking what you hear.
What an intelligent man , thank you for showing ignorant people the true reality of the situation.
Personally I’m proud of my country and its history, Empire included. To rule over such a vast area of the planet from a tiny little island in the North Atlantic is one hell of an achievement. This country started the Agricultural revolution and then the Industrial revolution. It’s all in the rich history if these islands . If you don’t like what happened, tough , get over it ,it’s called history. 🇬🇧🏴😁
Actually, it's one of the bigger islands in the world. As a country, yes, it is on the small side.
@@DieFlabbergast were an archipelago btw.....
Never felt so proud to be British than this week 🙌
Well said 👏 👌 👍
So totally agree!
Does anyone care what Americans think about us brits🤔least of all us brits🤗
True , they seem to be going backwards and we should leave them to it .
Heyull NOOOOOO, don't give a toss. Have to feel sorry for America's terrible track record of allowing children to shoot children-in large numbers!
Of course, they have the P.R.O.U.D boys to tell them what to believe and do 😂
You mean some Americans, not all 350 million Americans. I would never stereotype all Brits. Mutual respect is always a consideration.
@@user-zl6xh5vf2u Tell that to the US media! Clean your own house 🇬🇧
Quite right Paul! 🇬🇧
Empty vessels make most noise. The ignorant have the most to say on everything.
Absolutely ,!
I hope that you are referring to the American media ! 👍
@@erosleroi7638 They may be the worst, but Americans are not alone in their ignorance, it's widespread.
@@madcyclist58 True - up to a point. But think it undeniable that the worst aspectsof American culture have spread across the world like bindweed - we see it in the social media. I came too it late in the day and was very unsettled by it. What I miss in all the populist ranting is the important “authorial’ voice. - which we used to get from the national newspapers across the political spectrum. Today, American values and ceremonies derive entirely from the world of entertainment.( That is why they like our Royals. ) Fame! There is no other kind of cohesion or frame of reference. Drama has pushed real politics to the margins. Education is no more than a useful commodity. Thoughtless ignorance is a better investment in this new democratic age : that’s where the smart money is going.
I think I should add that I am a life-long ( pushing 90 ) democratic socialist, and like most of my friends and political associates, a strong supporter of our Monarchy. For very good reasons. Republics have every right to do what they want.
In Canada the Queen was the Head of State. Now her son is. Canada was her second home. She visited Canada 22 times. More than any other country. I don't like it when they accuse the Royal family of colonialism. The present monarchy does not do that.
Don't let the Scottish hear you say Canada was her second home......
@@damiengirvan5020 As part of the UK Scotland is considered an aspect of her first home.
@@damiengirvan5020 Hopefully some hear when I correctly state that Her Majesty was also a citizen of Canada.
As you point out with accuracy the American media never tires of painting everything, including American history, the history of the British empire, etc. with the brush of racism. That’s the media for you. I take very much the opposite approach: where would India be without the introduction of parliamentary democracy, the unity of the country and separation of Pakistan, etc.?
Well Stated
Exactly
Tucker Carlson pointed all that out and why Britain should be celebrated. It is on youtube. He did an incredible job listing all of that.
Yes it’s called deflection.
Australia's got it's share of these sort of journalists too. There's been a few truly offensive comments and takes on the Queen's death. Australian's understand the Monarchy (at least us older ones do), but I've got to be honest - American politics totally baffle me...
I'm not American either but I think the US is in a cold civil war between communists/fascists and constitutionalists?
USA HERE LYNETTE, AND I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WTF IS GOING ON IN MY COUNTRY!! OMG! WE ALSO ARE BAFFLED ! AND GETTING MADDER BY THE DAY!
When I was in Mexico 20 years ago I heard a American guys try to impress British women by saying he was History teacher and that he felt it was the only history that needed to be taught. She pointed out the her local pub was older than the USA and the course can’t be too long. 😂
A rock at the bottom of the Indian ocean is older than the entire UK.
What's your point
The fact that Britain has a longer history is not an achievement. It is just happenstance
People got to Europe and Asia long before they got to the Americas. And that is the reason Europ and Asia have longer histories than the Americas. That is the reason they are called the old world.
The fact that human beings, who first originated in Africa, got to Europ befor they got to the Americas is not an achievement. It is just evolution. That is how human beings have evolved.
I agree with Douglas blaming our poor Queen for all the evils of Colonialism.They have done this in Spain where I live too on Spanish National T.V.I was horrified 😢
Spain should check it's own record on colonialism!!
We at taking the fall for everyone else
The kettle just got a text from the pot cupboard!! Is Portugese media trying the same trick? Maybe they should broadcast a travel piece on Luanda, the capital of Angola taking in it's glory days of the Portuguese rulers transporting slaves to an outpost called Brazil.
In New Zealand there is a debate whether the township of Picton should revert to its previous Māori name. One reason given is Picton was a slave owner. That has to be local Māori calling out the cowardice of the woke media, who will not mention that traditional Māori society would viewed a world without slavery as lunacy.
I married a woman from Peru. Try telling her about _British_ colonialism.
The Spanish Nation have even less to be smug about than the Americans, who let’s face it are just as culpable when it comes to empire building at the expense of others.
Genocide, Slavery, Colonisation, Spanish history is wide open to comment if that’s how somebody wants to view the world. Ironically, it was under Spanish Management that Columbus’ voyages started the ball rolling in South America.
Douglas Murray, spot on as usual. Glad he is in the US to both educate and annoy the hell out of the yanks. It must be like shooting fish in a barrel 😂
d.....umb sheep
It's not the yanks.. It's the MSM.. We have that same shower in this country.. They're not specific to America.. I honestly think it's coming from the EU's overreach into The Anglosphere countries.
Let's just hope that he doesn't miss! 😃
Only the democrats said horrible things. They like to pretend they had nothing to do with it when in fact it was them.
We don't deserve him, but glad he's here.
There are many Americans who respect the queen and the monarchy. However there are those who will always disregard what Britain has done for the world. Is it jealousy? The monarchy is not political and the head of state not part of politics, as such. Even though all laws have to have the consent of the monarch; and do we really care what they say? Years ago we would have known none of this. The media now give the twisted views of the few, a platform.
I am in mourning for this great loss in our world. We are lacking in educations and exposing ignorance of the past.
Thank you Douglas Murray.
So true.
It is worth remembering that England did have a Civil War. The King was beheaded and a Republican took over. The people didn't like it, and ultimately put the King's son back on throne. Why? Because the ordinary people were no better off, they didn't have any fun - at least with the Monarchy they enjoyed the pomp and ceremony and were allowed to sing and dance.
Indeed
The ordinary people were no better off but the rich were fine (they had complained about the taxes they had to pay to Charles I) but were not getting the benefits they thought they would have, so they welcomed Charles II back to Britain. The poor, the peasants still continued to suffer after the restoration of the monarchy.
I found the Monarchy easiest to understand through the ceremony of the removal of the Instruments of Office, at the funeral. You don't have to understand the Monarchy at every level in order to see the necessity for that role. I see the Monarchy as a continuity of legal authority. A Queen or King is not my spiritual mum or dad, and personally I had to pick the Christianity out of the ceremony for easier understanding. Another person might see the Defender of the Faith role as most important. Of course, the Queen was also a deeply respected human being. DM is absolutely right to point out that countries without a monarchy go to great lengths to recreate one.
Well done 👍 they are an antique institution of power and control and blink and they will be gone soon enough
I think this is a silly argument. In what country do the politicians not have to be famous and well known in order to Garner votes from people. How do you get votes if you're not known? Douglas explained it himself that doesn't have anything to do with dynastic matters and everything to do with celebrity. Also I'm pretty sure Boris Johnson's father was famous and Boris Johnson's sister is a famous journalist who's on television so what are you guys talking about. The silliest comment was claiming an Adam's dynasty. Two one term presidents separated by 20 years hardly a dynasty makes.
C C . 22. British Monarchs are crowned in a religious ceremony because during the coronation ceremony they are also anointed and are the head of the church as well as the. Head of State. And the instruments of State I.e. the Crown, the Orb and the Sceptre are an integral part of that religious ceremony. You will be able to observe this next year when the Coronation of King Charles III takes place as happened at the late Queen’s Coronation.
Recreate one ? 😂😂😂 Total lie,Name one!
@@anthonyoneill9053 it is a base human desire and necessity to form or invent a belief a code a religion or a monarchy. Britain has succeeded most of the world is jealous, aren't you glad you had the Queen and not a president?
This is like a son blaming his dad for stealing an iPhone. He's literally standing in the Apple Store with it in his pocket going, 'No, my father stole it'. And his dad is 7 thousand miles away and died 400 years ago.
This Canadian, proud to be a loyal subject of QEII and now Charles III, but living in California, and with mainly "liberal" friends, expresses her deep appreciation for this helpful video Thank you so much.
Living in Commiefornia with 'liberal' friends? You have my sympathies.
Proud to be a "subject"? How sad. You should leave the US; we fought a war to get rid of that anachronistic system.
Ofcourse as a Canadian you are more than proud to be subservient to a useless Monacrchy. Shame on you. No wonder you guys could never ever be a superpower unlike the USA which fought a war to get rid of this ridiculous monarchy system.
@@massimo4307 Really? I thought you fought a war to avoid paying taxes. I doubt the concept of monarchy was a driving factor.
@@Valencetheshireman927 I'm guessing you didn't read the Declaration of Independence and the 27 grievances they had with King George III. The US was founded on anti-monarchism, just read Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine, or the Federalist Papers. Taxation was just one part of the bigger problem, being that a monarchy is fundamentally incompatable with a government by the people, for the people, and natural rights.
The longer I live in the UK, the more I appreciate the institution of constitutional monarchy. There is something special about the sense of stability and continuity that lasts beyond a four or eight year tenure, prevents a 180 turns or unsightly head-butting of prime ministers with presidents, not to mention impeachments or political attacks that erode trust. You can say many things about British monarchy now, but you can’t deny that they don’t give out an impression of betraying the UK or selling it off to another country/monarch. They also remain the symbol of traditional and even British values of patience, good humour and perseverance, which is increasingly difficult to find in a multi-culti, God-is-dead or my-God-is-more-important, or woke extremist society. Here is hoping that King Charles would uphold good standards of impartiality and remains apolitical and Christian in his approach rather than trying to “bro” with Islam to show how inclusive and embracing he is. We certainly don’t need a King to invite even more extremists over!!
Well said
Agree entirely. The Queen represented the stalwart ethos which held up Great Britain during a dark period of its history, and times of unsettling changes. In a symbolic fashion she evoked the security , stability, and comfort of being at home, and leaving the crazy world outside.
Thank you Douglas.
Humour and Facts.
I've loved and admired Queen Elizabeth II all my life. I was heartbroken for our cousins across the pond. Believe me when I tell you that most Americans were genuinely sad when the Queen passed. She was truly an amazing woman and world leader..❤️
Thank you
As an American I am truly sorry and embarrassed for the ignorance and vile coming from our media and beyond 💔
I've found that Americans online have been very supportive, but we have to realise that US politics is so extraordinarily polarised, that the left simply feel obliged to carry out their culture wars wherever their foreign correspondents go, because of the expectation of their supporters. The British government is seen by them as right of centre, as it is, so the NYT and CNN have been taking lumps out of Britain, in such an ignorant way you wouldn't expect from educated people. Making profound errors about the British Constitution etc. But then again, I understand they're employing British anti monarchists and British socialist writers to publicly self flagellate, an opportunity which is denied them in even the British left wing press, because the Queen had such high approval ratings, those papers always refused to sanction these kind of attacks.
Some people think the new owners of CNN won't tolerate such "divisive politics" for much longer, but that's their business. And I wonder why President Biden wanted to come to the Queen's funeral at all, if he thinks like that as well, except to bathe in the reflective glory of a head of state so overwhemingly popular at home and respected abroad, in contrast to his own meagre poll ratings........
Thank goodness that Biden was given a back seat where no one could see him. We don’t want anything distracting from the main event.
His arrogance got him his back row seat he wouldn't travel with other World Leaders had to go in the Beast and got stuck in traffic because the roads closed to let their busses through with no traffic for security. Well done Joe.
Spot on.
@@gerrywrafsimmons7542 Do you imagine for a moment that Trump would have rejected The Beast and chosen to travel with the others ?
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Ex President Trump can afford to laugh at President Biden from the sidelines, because it didn't happen to him, whatever you think might have occured. Biden has described himself as "Irish", and is a 'begrudging friend' of the UK, whereas Trump is more sympathetic. Maybe Donald Trump would have entered the UK earlier, and greeted the new British PM, instead of leaving his visit to the last moment and quite clearly being irritable with everyone........
So pleased I wasn’t the only one to notice this. The late night comedian (so called) Robert Colbert was, in my opinion, extraordinarily distasteful about the Queen and her funeral service and even her coffin. I was beyond disgusted. And there were so many instances all over TH-cam. Very distressing. I really enjoyed this narrator’s explanation of American political dynasties. The USA President is treated like a king, it seems to me. There’s so much more I could say, but I’ve mentioned my chief grievances.
I am an American, but while researching my family tree, and after getting a DNA test, I found that I am almost 60% English. I have always been an Anglophile ,even as a child, and now know why. I have always had the deepest respect for Queen Elizabeth ll and the monarchy, and was quite upset when she passed, and yes, I even cried. Please don't judge all Americans by what a few do and say, we aren't all alike. P.S. I am even distantly related to the Royal family.
We know, that we have friends in America. Friends with roots.
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Snap ! I'm a ' typical ' Englishman dna wise ( Born in England ) 60%. The rest is Welsh, Scots, Irish , Scandanavian
Most of Britain’s friends left the US after the Rebellion. The loyalists were treated appallingly.
ANGLO AMERICAN , respect.
Trust DM for making my heart glow when he lays out the facts 🌈❤️
What facts so colonism never happend slavery was a fairy tale piece of racist skum go check real history
Well Stated !
I could listen to Douglas Murray for hours on end. I learn so much from this well educated and well spoken man!
Love Douglas so analytical I just think he puts everything in it’s place with his knowledge and education The world world be a better place if we could all have the same insight
These people completely misrepresent American history to their own countrymen. You expect them to have a good grasp of the history and meaning of the British monarchy???
Excellent point. The same American leftists who trash the Queen and the British monarchy also trash our American history wholesale, our founders wholesale, etc. They never let facts or reasonable thinking get in the way of their ideology.
I think the foundation of the english ethic is in the concept of 'Noblesse oblige' or “nobility obliges” which is an old English concept that privilege comes with responsibilities. the world can never be equal, the world should not be equal. but those with privilege must earn that privilege post hoc by acting with responsibility to the less privileged.
Exactly. The Queen SERVES not rules.
Douglas Murray was evidently so inspired by the bearers of the Queen's coffin, by the Royal Regiment of Scotland in Edinburgh, by the RAF Regiment, and by the Grenadier Guards, that he had a military short-back-and-sides haircut. And he looks much younger. If he had been one of the bearers at Westminster Abbey on Monday, he would have looked totally in place.
Disagree. I think this new hairdo is not flattering!
Alot of Americans don't even know how their own government works and I say that as a proud American.
As always wise words from Douglas Murray!
D.M you are spot on.
Because the mainstream American media bias, I subscribe to UK publications: The Spectator, the Telegraph, and The Times. Far fairer coverage and much more intelligent writing
Thank you for interviewing Mr Murray. He is a treasure to all free thinking persons
Some great points about the political advantages of the monarchy that I’ve never heard before. Murray is awesome as usual.
its bullshit how does having a royal family prevent hereditary political leaders, A there's been plenty in the UK too i.e Churchill and B) both are bad neither country (in my view) should have a hereditary head of state or head of government and the monarchy does not in any way prevent that
Well said Douglas, intelligent people speak because they have something to say, idiots because they think they have to say something.
Dugless talking absolute sense as always.
This isn't about understanding or ignorance here in the states about the British monarchy. It is the lack of respect for other people. Even if I did not like the queen (i didn't know her). She was a grandmother, mother, wife and a human being. That alone is enough for me to at least keep my mouth shut. For someone to bad mouth a dead person not even in the grave, it truly reprehensible! I hope my brothers and sisters across the pond remember their Queen fondly. And I apologize for some of my country men's tomfoolery!
Has been many years since Charleston Heston played Gordon but so ignorant of the facts were the film-makers that it is not made clear WHY the Mahdi was so hostile to the British. That the hero of the film was a committed Christian who was trying his best to use British Power to suppress the slave trade in East Africa. British Christians were in fact the first group of people in world history who looked at slavery, decided it was an ungodly thing, and spent lives and treasure FORCING rulers to get ride of the thing. And and Murray says, while George III might have been the enemy of American republicanism. he shared with the late queen a since Christian faith that let him gladly sign a paper outlawing the slave trade.
Very true, and the awful Brave Heart film, again by someone who obviously did not like Britain, who used Wallace, a border bandit! Telling the truth is beyond Hollywood. the same can be true of The Patriot. No mention of how the loyalists were treated, the burning of property, tar and featherings, and the fleeing to Canada to escape the patriots!!!
"I see the sliver in my neighbor's eye, but not the plank in my own."
And that, as a Brit, goes for both sides of the Atlantic. @LNL. A great many of our youth are not well-educated about our history either much less the USA’s.
@@MTknitter22 So disheartening to hear. I taught elementary school in a small suburban town in NY (1985-2012). All the basics were taught about ancient civilizations, explorers, the New World, America's founding, immigration,, our Civil War, Civil rights movement. We encouraged patriotism but not without scrutiny. Perhaps the political, social and cultural upheavals of the 60's coupled with the strife over Vietnam, especially, on college campuses led to this shift from self-evaluation to self-loathing of Western Civilization. Had always admired the average citizen's knowledge of history in Europe; so sorry to hear that that has waned as well.
May the Queen's passing cause us all to re-examine the past with a more balanced and appreciative view. She certainly has inspired this 65 year old retiree to realize her "duty of service" is far from over.
By the way, I love your name. It was the name of one of my favorite characters in an old Hollywood film, that of Bette Davis in "Now Voyager."
'You mean an ignorant American....' ?
'Is there any other kind' ?
Nathan R. Jessup
USDB, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas
@@lesdavies6846 There are Americans who are not ignorant, but sadly, many of them have been silenced, slandered or are just too busy working while caring for their families and neighbors.
Sadly many Americans are ignorant-perhaps willingly-of civics and history. Shudder to think how many could not pass the citizenship exam taken by those seeking it.
As for me, working on my plethora of planks!
@ LNL. A triumphant exercise of free speech !
I LOVE Douglas Murray. Everything he says is right on. Very insightful man.
Yes💖
Does he still support Tommy Robinson?
Douglas you are so wise i wish i had your talent
Thank goodness for Douglas Murray.
Loooove Douglas Murray Xxxx 🇬🇧 X
@Mandy Chadwick. This loving and hating of familiar - but distant - personalities isn’t a good thing. In fact History proves that it is dangerous. Approval is fine in this context but it should never be total (because that is what love is). Love involves an element of willing self-surrender. Plus the suppression of doubt. We can enjoy our politics without wandering into that kind of territory. It isn’t healthy. But of course I respect your sincere and honest feelings.
@@belindamay8063 There's LOTS of people i love... you've gone a bit deep on this one 🤣.... X....
Douglas is a bloody legend
How refreshing to see an interviewer allows her guest talk without rudely keeps interrupting her guest
Love Douglas.
We only have to see the gathering of world leaders and royalty coming to the queens funeral, nothing like it ever, and most likely never repeated, most saddest of days, but at the same time, such a proud day, proud to be British, ain’t nothing to be ashamed of.
No nothing to be ashamed of
@3:37 - "The malevolence of the media..." How apt, and not only the US.
As an American, I'm deeply ashamed of what the mainstream media has done.
As an American, I liked QE2 and I feel the same as if my neighbor's grandmother died.
That being said I really don't understand how the monarchy works-who is in charge of what and what the titles mean. I just read a biography of Churchill during the war. Whenever they got to politics, I was totally lost.
It became very, very obvious when Markle left the UK that Americans didn't understand the privileges or responsibilities of British royalty.
Please don’t conflate the appalling actions of Meghan Markle with the rest of us Americans.
Absolutely wonderful Douglas. You open my eyes like no other,
Thank you Douglas, excellent analysis. Academia and the media are the heartland of woke, but there is another aspect to this, which is that many ordinary Americans also feel animus toward Britain and especially our monarchy because they themselves fought for independence from colonial and royal rule. That impedes resistance to the kind of criticism and abuse seen lately.
I have been an admirer of the US ever since I worked on an Odeco oil rig in the 80s, but would say now, especially after the last ten days that many Americans should be and are worried about the state of their country and the virulence of the divisions which have opened up. Perhaps some of them may be secretly wondering about how 60% of the world population watched the funeral of Queen Elizabeth, but the only event that I would imagine attracted that kind of attention across the pond would have been 9/11.
Who do you love, America?
As an 62 year old American, I can tell you that the Commie Left-wing media, politicians and academia have done very well in destroying the America that I grew up in. They won't be satisfied until it is destroyed -- and they WILL destroy it.
Please do not paint ALL AMERICANS with the same brush you do the media. You could be missing a major portion of the US population. In fact you are missing that. Do not assume the media speaks for the majority of Americans. You could not be further from the truth. Sent from USA.
@@andrewkash7273 hi Andrew, I am very sorry. Your reply is heartbreaking. I love America, and was brought up with the same tales of Americans’ courage in the war. Both our countries are full of the divisions around the woke ideas Douglas was talking about, though maybe it’s more scary on your side of the pond. I think people here are held together more by tradition and monarchy as we saw last week.
And I think you’re right about the internet, people get on one side and then learn to hate the other from a distance. I found the time the Queen was lying in state reassuring because we heard from so many ordinary people, including many Americans, instead of the usual characters that dominate the media who thrive on conflict. Now it’s back to normal, if it bleeds, it leads...
Please believe that I and many other Brits are watching how things are going in the US because it’s so important in the world, and if we sound angry at you all, it’s not because we hate you, but because we’re scared our way of life is in danger and the likes of the woke academics are fanning the flames.
Warm regards.
Unfortunaetely what Douglas describes is not only what is going on in the US but in the western world in general! Here in Germany, especially since Brexit, the arrogance and ignorance against Britain and lack of willingness to accept the british traditions and heritage, is quite outrageous.
Agree. There is a definite agenda at play. The British resistance to it at the ballot box is truly inspiring
" Here in Germany, especially since Brexit, the arrogance and ignorance against Britain and lack of willingness to accept the british traditions and heritage, is quite outrageous."
That´s not true. Basically nobody in GER is interested in England. From where do you got your impressions? And even if it would be true it would be justified. Brexit was driven by massive and the most primitive anti German resentments.
There is this belief that if you voted Brexit ( I did ) that you hate Europeans and are racist. Couldn't be more wrong. I love Europe ( and the Germans ) but just believe that the EU is undemocratic , a waste of money and will ultimately fail. Thats it. There is no hate from this Brexiteer 👍
Yes talking about brexit the remsiners very rude a couple of comments called us littleve handers. I replied we are only small in size and have done good things for the world with our inventions
I'm afraid I mentioned the war. And two comments called us the island
@@andym9571exactly or they call y racialist or old fogey
The USA likes to think of their president as "the leader of the free world". I always felt that of odd. Now I know why. Her Majesty was the elected head of the Commonwealth, of around 2 billion people, living mostly in democracies. It is the head of the Commonwealth who is the real leader of the free world.
The USA has a President who thinks he’s a King
@@mogznwaz The president we have now thinks he's still a senator. And he's been one for 150 years
The US President is the leader of the free world because he (or potentially she) is the leader of the US Navy. And since WWII, the US Navy has kept the world safe for economic and political freedom, just like the British Navy did for 200 years prior. Of course the UK and other Commonwealth Countries help in this endeavor with bases and intelligence, but the unrivaled naval superiority of the United States is why there isn’t piracy on the high seas and why you can have international shipping.
I would be happy to subscribe to any view delivered by Douglas Murray, he’s always crystal clear and yet with a academic note! 😊
So sad the ignorance of the people!
I love UK and their traditions ❤
Many US Americans are heartbroken that Queen Elizabeth II has died. She was an amazing woman and a steady leader! She was respected by many of us here in the USA!
Most Americans do recognize that hereditary monarchy is not synonymous with tyranny, and though they would never countenance a king or queen in their own country, they vaguely appreciate that Britain manages liberty, law, democracy and monarchy all in the same peculiar constitutional structure...and how could one not feel affection toward a darling old grandmother like Elizabeth (whose record of ordering beheadings is extremely thin)?
She does seem sweet as a grandmotherly figure, but to answer your question it's truly quite simple: She did nothing more than be born into a particular family.
Sometimes it surprises me how Monarchy supporters (Be they in Saudi Arabia, Thailand, or Tongo), honestly think another human being should be treated in the slightest bit different than others over something they had zero control over. An accident of birth.
Did Nero or Caligula teach you nothing?
The arguments are no different than those present in racism! Am I wrong?! Treat people differently because of how they were born?!
It's like talking to someone in a cult, or a brick wall. Just bonkers.
No they just have the Clintons and the Kardashians instead 🙄
@@AdamBechtol Lots of people are treated differently through no fault or achievement of their own. Do you treat your own children differently from other peoples children? I should hope so. So yes it IS a strange concept you are absolutely correct but the monarchy *does* fulfil a symbolic and ancient function. The living embodiment of history, tradition and continuity in a world that changes at bewildering speed. Is a monarchy much different then from the function of religion? Not really. But look how religion continues to persist and how it can be a force for good or evil. It might be irrational but a lot of humans seem to need it 🤷♀️. If it can fulfil a benign, positive purpose that tempers political power then who are we to say it’s wrong!? The monarch has very little real power but they DO have responsibility and duty. They have wealth and privilege but use it to serve not rule. Queen Elizabeth was accepted and respected for doing just that - her duty. She didn’t ask for it but she put her duty first and that is a quality to be admired.
@@mogznwaz Yes, talk about a living hell, lol! Americans worshipping vapid, empty and soulless vessels, without even a pinch of class. Talk about dumbing down!
@@AdamBechtol Since you ask: Yes, I think you are wrong. If Elizabeth had comported herself as a Nero or Caligula (or even as a Mohammed bin Salman), the downsides of the institution would have been vivid, but the English decided centuries ago that that way of kingship is unacceptable to them. As far as unearned privilege is concerned, Mr Murray points out that such is to be found everywhere, under various systems of government, and including in countries with greater cultural pretenses of equality and classlessness than the UK. Meanwhile, this particular instance of it is viewed by many Brits as beneficial to their political system and national unity. It is completely within the power of the British people to abolish the institution; it is telling that even as of 2022 they haven't.
11:37 "Alarming historical ignorance ... alarming present-day animus." An accurate summary of the egregious subset.
The British are in no position to criticize the Americans for not having a royal family when the Americans have the Kardashians.
😂😂
They don't get special tax breaks or meet with the president weekly. Get real.
Well said
Kardashians funeral is not going to be paid by millions of taxpayer dolars
The british should be betterthan using styoopi examples like this
😂😂😂😂 love it
We are very lucky that as things worked out the Queen’s father was our monarch during the Second World War rather than his older brother, that the Queen was our monarch rather than her sister and that Charles is King rather than Andrew. Likewise imagine Harry being a future king rather than William?
Excellent, both. Refreshing to experience an interviewer and host who doesn't waffle and asks good questions that lead on from what the guest was talking about. Joined up interviewing make the whole thing flow.
The American attitude to Britain and the monarchy just sounds like a mixture of ignorance and jealousy. Nothing new there then!
It's just another pinball machine bumper to score woke points from. But..... There's also a sinister drive to denigrate anything that signals tradition, unity and patriotism. The royal family is respected in Britain because it's a link between events in history. It binds all the history up to the present. They hate this as it upsets their plans. They want to create a new brave multi this multi that international society.
Americans envious of the UK?!!!
That has to be the funniest thing I've read this year to date.🤣
Our population is at least 5X yours and much more diverse. Stop your broad brush ignorance.
@Plantlover1 Try writing in coherent sentences, it helps.
God Bless the USA
@@landonmiller6943 Americans are rather jealous of our culture and history, having very little of either themselves.
I love Douglas Murray… he is Brilliant.. Thank You ❤️
I have less flattering views on the Monarchy and how well Her Majesty truly lived up to her duties. Immediately following her death does not seem the appropriate time to air them. I have been approached with condolence by friends outside the UK. Disabusing my friends of their assumption of my view on the monarchy and Queen Elizabeth doesn't seem necessary or appropriate at this time. I have simply thanked them for their care and concern that I may be in some way distressed.
Few people on this video are going to be interested in your patronising attitude towards the Queen, however diplomatic you think you are being from supposedly holding back following her death.
If you're from this country, any criticism you may have is so marginal, compared to the overwhelming respect she has in the country of her birth, as to make your voice as lonely as that of a fool on the hill, ranting to himself as everyone ignores him and gets on with their own lives. If you are not British, then go support your own head of state, if you are lucky enough to come from a country where anyone knows who they are.
I can see with my own eyes, and hear with my own ears, and the worldwide tributes have clearly crossed international borders in such a way as I have never experienced in all my life, for any other head of state...........
@@artrandy My views are not patronising. I said now is not the time. Thank you for agreeing with me, if in a rather strange way. P.S. Yes I am a British citizen with 23 years of Military Service under my belt. Thank you.
@@williamvorkosigan5151
You said: "I have less flattering views on the Monarchy and how well her Majesty truly lived up to her duties". You went on: "...following her death does not seem to be the appropriate time to air them". That is an unconcealed criticism, and having fake respect because of her death is VERY patronizing.
Definition of Patronize: "Treat in a way that is apparently kind or helpful, but betrays a feeling of superiority".
I repeat, your attitude is the very epitome of a patronizing comment, whether you have 23 years of military service or not..........
@@artrandy I was commenting on the content of the video and those who couldn't wait to air their views. You are welcome to your view. I don't think we have anything more to discuss.
@@williamvorkosigan5151 All leftist republican revolutionary types are patronising because they think they’re in possession of some great truth and wisdom lacking in the plebs. You see it in Remainers and the wokeists too. I know because I used to be like them
You don't HAVE to be posh to work at The Spectator....but it helps!
+ Douglas Murray is one of the shrewdest commentators around.
I'm referring to all these posh Spectator JOURNALISTS with their plummy accents and posh backgrounds, give or take the odd Rod Liddle.
Don't be ridiculous. He has a good speaking voice, and fortunately, very welleducated, and erudite. I am always amazed at some of those on television with awful voices, and especially in America. Surely the voice is very important in the listening media?
I judge a journalist on the quality of their output, not whether they are posh or not which for me is irrelevant.
I am an American who has had the privilege of living in London for work- but also experienced so many cultural pleasures. As an adult I grew to further appreciate, partly through your the edification of the Spectator and other media, the rich history and traditions of your country, your people, and the Commonwealth. I believe, from my limited perspective, that The Commonwealth reflects the greatest efforts and aspiration of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. As we collectively- regardless of political allegiance- move from mourning to what I believe should be a period of outright acknowledgment and celebration of Her Majesty’s reign, enormous historical accomplishments such as the creation of The Commonwealth of Countries needs to take its rightful place in history. We the people who exist now must stop being naysayers and become people who support and ignite positivity!
Great interview!
Well done Douglas for defending Britain and the Queen so eloquently. I’m astounded by the American media and its sheer arrogance.
MSM are an embarrassment and I'm American.
By the way, Elon Musk will be growing pineapples in Martian soil long before CNN will defer to the historical record.
So there is hope? CNN might be cured, sack the WOKE idiots?
Excellent interview
This was very interesting. Made some excellent points.
It was not all bad on CNN, like that lady telling Don Lemon Africa still ow reparations for the 2000 British sailors there died stopping the slave trade. It was an much needed remined of reality for CNN viewers.
Perhaps the US should have to pay reparations to the families of those sailors too !
One of those sailors was a relative of mine , he was on the ship Bonetta , he rescued a Yoruba princess from king geza who was going to use her as a sacrifice ,after slaughtering her family and the rest of her tribe .
America should study their own brief history and discover their shortcomings not exactly covered in glory are they
When I was younger I always thought America was the bastion of freedom and liberty etc. ( Because that was what they kept telling us ). Gradually the more history I learnt , the more I learnt about their own ' imperialism' ... that all changed. How could a nation that had segregation preach to the world about such things ? Incredible.
@@andym9571 britain also had masiv levels of racsm
Get your head out of youras.
@@larrybuchannan186 Not state sponsored racism and nothing like the levels in the US. Anyway, I'm responding to American critism of us. Am I not allowed to do that ?
This illustrates once again the extent to which so much of the media is entirely detached from the interests and beliefs of the vast majority to people.
Well said .
Perhaps they were advised by Meghan Markle.
😂😅😅
Id like to see Harry sueing the NYT lol
What I love about our monarchy, as Prince Harry pointed out, no one wants the job! that in itself will do for me.
They are not scrambling to the top by walking over everyone else on the way, Patting themselves on the back and behaving as though they are frightfully pleased with themselves. Behaving like psychopaths and sociopaths.
Just imagine a President Blair!!
Or Johnson!
@@jonathanphillips5514 No, just Blair.
No one wants the job..
Meghan markle would jump at the chance.
Good point
Basically, one of the main reasons why media outlets love to be nasty and provocative is because they want to court viewers with controversy. It has nothing to do with right or wrong.
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I sometimes wonder if the underlying problem for the USA media, press etc. is "envy" possibly downright "jealousy".
After all how do the actors and celebrities of Hollywood, TV Soap Operas, Disneyworld and other Theme Parks compare to the tradition and history of a 1,000+ year old Monarchy following an evolved constitution? 😉😂
Wouldn't they just love to be able to put on a "show" like this in front of the World. Just wait for the Coronation next year!!!
Americans envious of the UK!!!
What a howler that is!
Envious of what exactly, living on a damp, overcrowded little island where you can be locked up for expressing an unpopular opinion?!
Hilarious!!!
God Bless the USA
It isn't jealousy as it's downright ignorance and wanting to destroy what is good in this world. The US media has lost much of its trust in the average American with its opinions and biases.
@@erosleroi7638 We're Americans.
We don't care what you think.
We don't have to...
God Bless the USA
Land of the Free, Home of the Brave
@@landonmiller6943 - that’s good. We don’t care what you think either. We’re happy to point out the stupidity of some of your press, TV stations and academics though.
Yes, they are envious. It is obvious.
I am American and I was posting after trolling posts against the Queen. One specifically mentioning that colonialism had no real connection.
As an American I totally agree with you. There are many arrogant Americans who try and impose our “values” on other countries.
Quite a few view the UK as another State of the USA😮
Not sure if I agree with the point about Britain not having political dynasties, the Churchills are a pretty big counterexample that has lasted centuries. But you also have big political families such as the Cavendishes, the Cecils, the Chamberlains, the Grenvilles, the Greys, the Peels, the Pelhams, the Pitts, the Rothschilds, the Russells, the Stanleys, etc.
But they are true dynasties not the fake wannabe ones you Americans seem to like.. 😊🇬🇧
Blackrock .
Thank you.
His arguments were so weak here.
Has Douglas Murray moved to the US?
Seen him cropping up a lot here recently all over the place.
Great if he has .
Wish Julia Hartley-Brewer would cross the pond and get her own TV/radio gig here.
God Bless the USA
He lives in New York now
Sod off, we need them.
@@tcm8119 given the state of the place, an odd choice.
@@Generalscorpio Hey - we’re stuck with Harry & Meghan - I think getting Douglas Murray is fair compensation!😂
@@hankochai Harry and Meghan are borderline traditional for a country founded on rebelling against the crown.
You reap what you sow in that regard.
Very interesting article. I mam particularly interested in the way study of the Monarchy enables us to view progress in attitudes and behaviour.
7:38 The same could be said about religion (Christianity in this case): it takes care of that part of human nature that has to deal somehow with the transcendent element of our lives but it does so through a very well-understood, old, and thoroughly (by now) _declawed_ system while those who would simply want remove it, will only find themselves under the control of something new to replace the resulting empty space (because such is human nature), unknown, uncontrolled, and without any safety safeguards. Examples are obvious and numerous: Stalin's Russia (a particularly odious example) or the modern woke religion.
The older I get the more I see the truth of that. You are absolutely correct.