'Unbelievably wasteful' - Douglas Murray on the lunacy of the Lords
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- Douglas Murray joins Spectator TV to discuss his column on last week's peerage appointments. The House of Lords has been under scrutiny for years over hereditary peers and nepotistic appointments. Last week, Labour selected one women into the Lords at just 27 years old, another was a political staffer to Ed Miliband. Now one of the world's largest governing bodies, is it time the Lords was reformed?
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If you can run the USA with 100 Senators why do we need 1,400 MPs and Lords. The gravy on that train is made of laughing stock.
Great line !
American Efficiency! One can buy so much more legislation when the graft doesn’t have to be spread around to so many legislators!
At 435 Representatives and 100 Senators, to represent 342 million residents, our elected representatives are somewhat less than yours, per capita.
100 manage to make a mess in the USA,Give the power back to the people
You can't run the USA at all. 99% of the time the government budget gets held up because the opposition holds it to ransom. Se with finding for Ukraine, etc
Douglas hitting the nail on the head yet again
The commons and lords are woefully corrupt
Massively outdated, designed in the age of the horse, before telecoms and motorised traffic when it could take weeks to reach the far ends of the country. At the very least replace the Royal Assent by a Referendum.
House of Commons should be kept. Disband rhe House Of Lords.
@@leonharrison800 No, we need a complete restart. Why are we lumbered with a system designed when the Great North Road was a mudfield a mile across and you had to ride a horse? We can speak for ourselves, so why am I lumbered with someone representing me who nobody'll listen to, dumped by his Party in June last year for no known reason? Party politics which have lost contact with reality?
@@JelMainYeah, let's introduce Socialism: the most murderous ideology to ever exist.
It is great to say a system is rubbish its better to propose an alternative system that addresses the identified problems for the same or less cost. I don't believe in screaming change unless I have devised a better plan then the change will be called progress.
You did it in one, Douglas. I say get rid of the Lords. They are a waste of time and tax payers money.
Agreed. But that requires legislation, which has to pass through the Lords. It's like trying to remove a Town Council, which can only be done if the Town Council votes themselves out of existence. See also downsizing the civil service.
Did you watch the interview or just read the headline and make assumptions? He isn't saying it should be gotten rid of.
Waste of space!
@@philipclemoes9458 Reform the HOL is what he is saying.
As long as it is abused as it is. - “ a job for the boys “ get rid of the HOL.
Lucid again!
The House of Cronies. Real time for the mates club to be scrapped for good. I’m sick to death of being ripped off.
MOD is the same as are the politicians and the royals
Well let's see if u turn starmer keeps to his word and abolish the Lords, don't hold your breath. Mr Murray its pronounced cumree not cymru.
If your not a pedophile you will struggle to become a lord
You can understand why Britain is in the mess that it is ....
I never tire of listening to Douglas Murray.
Weve just had two kids put in the house of lords,just because they were good fund raisers,what does she know about the world. It's all very sickening,its an abuse of all of us.
Douglas is a man of integrity !
Abolish the Old boys club that is the Lords...
Agree.....a tough job though!!!!
It was abolished in 1999.
as usual, eloquent words of wisdom from Douglas!
Is it wisdom to promote hate speech laws and puff up Israel while they butcher children in Gaza?
Mr Douglas,
I appreciate you batting for the Conservatives.
Can you please cease and de-sist putting goop in your hair.
That's for the left.
Every time I hear the name Ed Milliband I start laughing. Like A horse walks into a pub joke.
To this day the funniest headline I've ever read was "ed stone" 😂
@@Arthur-Gieves poor lad, ha ha ha
DOUGLAS is so right
It's insulting to the people of this country who work hard and are betrayed on a daily basis.
Down tools on a mass scale and this country would soon go down the plughole.
The HOL is bigger than the commons but it should be a third if not less. These gongs are ridiculous we all know it
I noticed in that clip ex Play School presenter Floella Benjamin. It's beyond parody. They're all a bunch of unelected parasites.
Douglas Murray, I believe that you have been anointed by God to open people's eyes by speaking the truths supported by pure facts. Your clarity, bravery and dedication is glorious in the world of cowards and leeches.
We appreciate you so much
Douglas Murray I love you more every time I listen to you. You have more sense and wisdom than all of parliament put together. Keep on exposing the nonsense. Nobody does it better ❤
If only he’d expose the nonsense of Israeli propaganda rather than perpetrate it
Wonderful Mr Murray you speak the truth.😂
😅👍
Sometimes
You're my hero Douglas, you are simply amazing. Would you ever stand for the job as Prime Minister? We desperately need you Douglas. You'd turn the UK around in a week. You have more intelligence in your little finger, than our Government have, put together. You have everything that's needed for Prime Minister.
So so true, I couldn't agree more, Douglas is a gem and a national treasure ❣
Douglas Murray is my HERO. Thank you ❤
Goodness gracious me! They are a mishmash of some intelligence getting fat off the taxpayers. 😊
Intelligence isn't a factor!! Connections and corruption is!!
I suppose there is just one redeeming fact in her favour, being just 28 yrs old, hopefully she will be one of the few who doesn't drop off during debates.
At 28 she is most likely an ex-male of colour, vegan, far left and woke to the eyeballs.
Did you hear about the old chap who dreamed that he was giving a speech in the House of Lords?
He woke up to find that he was.
She has a “job” for life at the age of 28, better than winning the lottery!
House of Lords, a retirement home for criminal and immoral ex politicians, cherry on the top they can't be fired....
@@jerribee1 Good one (and probably true).
"He never made it to ministerial rank, but he did make it to a website" - oh man that's classic Douglas!!
I am from Texas. This has no effect on me, nothing to do with me, none of my business. Still it leaves me angry and disgusted.
Almost 800 of them! I never knew there were so many. The sheer numbers must make the Lords incredibly cumbersome and inefficient as a second chamber, not to mention the fact that there are so many grifters and half-wits in there also.
Hereditary grifters
and half-wits is
exactly what the
old House of Lords.
used to be.
Nearly all grifters hun 🙄
80,000 salary over 800 heads that’s a £64 million wage bill for under productivity. Scandalous.
@@here_we_go_again2571 Better than what it has devolved into.
What do these people bring? They tick a box and that's all that matters.
They sign in, get 350 pounds for turning up, have a subsidised lunch, then a nice afternoon nap. 😉
As usual Douglas is absolutely right
Unfortunately, the Lord has degenerated into a dumping ground for political favours which greatly degrades value of a revising chamber occupied by skilled and competent people with the time and wisdom to be able to do the job well
The House of Lords is the iceing on the cake of total ineptude.
We need 800 peers to ensure that at least two turn up for a vote…
They turn up , clock In and leave for their daily allowance . Many in their chauffeur driven cars.
Outrageous,
Too many turn up to vote if it involves obstructing government by the elected house.
It's real power, which is why politicians keep nominating more of their number to the honours list.
It's a scandal, because we need a revising stage, but bad as it is, I dread a solution which is even worse.
@@colinelliott5629 :- It’s a scandal indeed.
We badly need political reform. Too many politicians in 4 devolved governments, HOC & HOL to run this small country.
“ Too many cooks spoil the broth “ it’s plain to see.
The USA, with a population five times that of the UK, gets by with only 100 senators and they're all elected. Why do we need 800 Lords? Why are party leaders allowed to nominate them. It's all so corrupt! I'm off to the Reform UK Spring Rally this weekend!
The US Senate is dysfunctional, useless, and corrupt. When it worked properly, its members were appointed by the individual states rather than directly elected. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights are rightly celebrated, but imitating our electoral practices would be destroy your country like we are destroying ours.
It's because general elections cost money, parties depend on donors & donors won't give unless they're rewarded with a knighthood. A corrupt merry-go-round!
What purpose has or does the House of Lords serve. And this coming from someone who is proud of our history and our pomp and ceremony.
Nothing. It simply enables a despotic, parasitic old club to keep on leeching our taxes!! Oh, and they like dressing up in gowns 🙄
The Lords needs serious reform. Capped numbers, never more than in the Commons, appointed for a limited term, or they must be elected by the public from a nominations list and explaining their experience and what value they will bring in the lords.
Its a shame that it is so abused, the idea of a second revising chamber with people who have specific areas of expertise is a good system when it is treated with the relevant respect.
So true..when you watch a serious debate few are in attendance......but you see some real contributions to the debate.
You are spot on. The UK needs an upper house that is elected, so the government cannot dispute its right to oppose them when necessary. Reform-minded people need to get together and come up with some fresh ideas. The present system is clearly failing to serve the country.
The HOL is a very expensive institution badly in need of total Reform .
Even better, abolishment.
The house of toads.
And parasitic cockroaches.
🤣🤣🤣
The house of corruption - needs closing down, in this day and age unelected persons in such a position is ridiculous, a gone by age is way out of date. These appointments are a pay off!!!!!
British should abolish house of lords and replace by the Senate where Senators should be elected
Wtf has happened to our country.
Thank you Mr Murray….as always good to see you .
I had no idea that this was happening and I’m so glad this has been brought to light! What do we do about it? Are these decisions reversible?
Very well said I have had the privilege of meeting Baroness Cox when living in London and when you see her service to nursing and her international work in anti slavery she has no interest in the title except it gives her the opportunity to better serve those she was already working to help ❤
She doesn't seem to be successful in her anti slavery quest.
What a racket!
I love Douglas Murray…. imagine what he’s like at a dinner party, uncensored…. He’s so accurate in his assessments….
2:42 "There goes the neighbourhood" love it.
Ed Miliband ? A Lord, Really ? ?????? Is The Queen of Hearts already installed. ????
Good point
‘An asset to the Conservatives’ lol.
The house of freeloaders
Shameful
Disband the House of Lords. No more aristocracy.
Its not aristocratic though, they got rid of the hereditary lords and it went to sh1t, that's the point of the piece.
Blair kicked off with getting rid of as many hereditary members as possible and replacing them with political appointments with no experience of politics or business etc. The result being that he would have more chances of getting his legislations through. Subsequent governments have continued with this now. It's wasteful and there are too many of them, 800 at the last count!! They don't bring anything to our democracy. All of them should go.
The HoL are not aristocrats any more. That changed, in 1999 I think. Actually there may have been some merit in having the upper house occupied by landowners who trace their connection to a place back generations, as they are more likely to have a long-term vested interest in the prosperity of the country than the present elites who seem to consider themselves to be global citizens without any great loyalty to or feelings of love for the country.
I'm a disillusioned centre left voting Australian, and I would like to volunteer my Colonial criminal services in the position as a Lord. I would require that I can conduct my services from Australia and I am happy to be a conduit for the political desires of Mr Murray and his close associates. As a member of the Commonwealth, I trust that my offer will be looked upon in a positive manner. God save the King.
Douglas should not only have a seat in the House of Lords, but should be king!!!
Douglas Murray for Prime Minister 100% …IMO 🇨🇦🇬🇧
There is no democracy without honesty are these honest people?
I don,t think it happened in the past but it seems prime ministers just use their privilege to thank people close to them not those that have wise minds and have given distinguished service and have achieved.
It's always been that way.....
At least she won’t be asleep like most of the old duffers who only turn up for the £300 and the cheap lunch followed by cheap booze. God, I’d love that myself!
The House of Commons should have a minimum age of 40 and the House of Lords a minimum age of 50. Otherwise, how can you claim to have any knowledge of life in general for the former or expertise to make your opinion valuable in the latter. We most assuredly do not need actors or sportsmen in the House of Lords.
There is no reason to have an upper house. NZ has no upper house and controls excess by having a 3 year term. It works.
New Zealand has a small population, smaller than most states of Australia.
It is foolish not to have a second house of review. one your population reaches a certain level.
God bless you Douglas
We need a Second House. Why not a 'People's Assembly' to replace HoL? Ordinary people selected like jury duty, well paid, their employers properly compensated, who serve for, say, six months at a time, who could act as a reality check on the occasionally disconnected lunacy that emerges from the HoC.
BANG !!! Spot on again Douglas.
Reform it to a FULLY elected House of Lords!
Yes, just like the House of Commons, oh wait!
Fully elected House of Lords?
Then you might as well
call the House of Lords
the UK Senate.
I wouldn't mind going back to hereditary Lords actually. Everything seemed a lot less broken then.
@@kc_cobra
Those lords that served would be
how many? I doubt if the Lords
themselves would want the HoL
to be changed to a Senate. The
whole deal with expanding the HoL
was because the original HoL was
not diverse enough.
Fewer ran an Empire
Corruption in it's highest form. The country is already a rotting carcass, and it will slowly waste away. Plan to survive people, you will need to.
Hear hear Douglas!
Its high time ⌚ the House of Lords should be closed.
Some should go to prison, the rest should be banned from ever being given air time.
As always, Douglas says as it is!!! Bravo!!!
I could listen to Douglas all day, irrespective of the subject 🙂
The USA manages with 100 elected Senators. Why do we need 800 unelected plus Lords?
Why not restrict the upper house to say 250 persons, and at the general election, vote to pick them from the 800.
Brilliant as ever. Lord Murray does have certain ring to it though.
Time for total change Guy Fawkes comes to mind
Who? A fake guy? Jesus if you're going to invoke the name at least GET IT RIGHT !!!!
@@rafezetter8003 oo you are soo clever,take the message don't pump your ego by belittling outhers
@@colinfletcher5023 I'm not surprised you think I'm doing this for ego - because it seems people cannot possibly fathom that getting information CORRECT in this day and age is actually thing. "Feelings" are taken as more important than actual facts. Pro-tip - if you're going to post stuff on the internet, how about you CHECK THE INFORMATION FIRST, lest you look a fool.
How a person even thought the name was Guy Faux - which is FRENCH, for the name of an ENGLISH revolutionary, just shows the lack of education, and care to check the internet.
I'm always staggered at the wilfull ignorance of people who literally have the ENTIRE SUM OF HUMAN KNOWLEDGE available to them 24/7.
Nothing will change
I love Douglas Murray and I've liked the video. I'm also subscribed to The Spectator so, when I say this, as a Welshman, it's only meant to help: it's not Cymroo; it's Cymree. Just for future reference. Keep up the good work.
As a fellow cymro butt , don’t waste your oxygen and time
No sorry I disagree on one part, no one from parliament should ever be elevated.
It should be capped at 50 people and they should be elected by the public and qualified for the roll and have a term limit of 10 years and be kicked out if they do anything dodgy.
I live in Queensland, Australia 🇦🇺 and Queensland doesn't have an upper house in state parliament.
We do however have a senate elected by the people for federal parliament. If you think the House of Lords is looking 'undistinguished' have a look at that lot.
Lidia Thorpe is a stunning example.
ok, lets sort it then!
Wisdom and Wit - thank you Douglas
There are times when I wish (a) Douglas was the marrying kind; and (b) he would suddenly conceive a romantic interest in an older woman. Sadly, I think his hereditary earldom is far more likely!!
Hes gay
Yes, I know. Hence "the marrying kind".@@prestcoldandy910
Yes, family compact clearly knows that.
@@prestcoldandy910You don’t get irony, are you American?
Douglas has to be the most relevant and accurate commentator in Britain.
My view is that it was the Arch Constitutional Vandal Blair who was responsible for this - and so many other terrible things - and he really demonstrates his foolishness again and again.
The Lords was better when it was only the hereditary peers.
I disagree with Douglas about his description of The House of Lords being a group of political operatives. Criminal operatives is more like it!
As soon as I read the title, I thought, 'He is NOT in the house of lords?' And you two have discussed that angle in the video. You guys do know your audience. Loved the video! Brilliant discussion.
I wish that Douglas Murray was our priminister. But he's never going to be because he speaks the truth!
Yes, Mr Murray, 100% right.
It used to be that those 'elevated' had distinguished careers beyond politics. This system worked well as they could contribute expertise to the Bills being discussed. This system has been eroded by cheapskate politicians whi have elevated their cronies.
Douglas Murray is a national treasure ❣❣❣
We had a local chap who got awarded a MBE for his work with under privileged young boys in the 70's. A couple of decades later and no surprise how that ended. Prison and struck off the honours list. Then I looked up how many people had their honours taken away, and why. It's shocking. Greedy con men, perverts and scammers. But as long as we give Doreen ( a lollipop lady for 60 years) the lowest honour there is, we all smile and pretend it's not a disgraceful seedy sham.
Time for a Senate Britain. Voted for by the people.
Well Lord Murray. .i think you deserve that honour. You are active, political, and fair. Keep going Douglas. I can see that. Indeed Carolyn d Hogarth. A commoner.
I would like the internet history exposing of these ‘lords’
Classic examples of just how broken our political system is !
"Plain, old" Mr Murray is neither plain nor old.
Please live for ever. ❤
Douglas is legend.
Mr Douuglas Murray is really awesome.
DEI innit eh!
GRAVY TRAIN,
Superb
In such a dark dreary world of conformity , blandness and goverment controlled mass media Douglas is the most refreshing journalist and commentator of them all .
One key issue is there is no chance whatever that I will ever go to the HoL. How do my views and interests and experiences ever get recognised there? The answer is they don't and the political class does not want them.
Douglas Murray being spot on as usual.
Douglas for PM
Wow, how insightful. Nobody's ever suggested any of this before, and nobody's ever asked for parliamentary reform. Oh wait... this has been repeatedly brought up for decades. 😂😂😂 Douglas Murray will impress the undereducated.
As usual Douglas is bang on the mark. We need to have an elected upper chamber like they do in the US.
Considering all the problems we have in the world today, and lack of finance in this country regarding NHS. education and lack of prison places for lawless society, I think this uneccesary upper chamber is taking the p-ss.
Its not just wasteful it's completely anti democratic - abolish the House of Lords
It's 2024 please get rid of the house of Lords it should be a voted for system not old boys mate's 🤬🤬🤬
Is she a WEF placing?
Probably.
Probably