We live in a rare bizarre time in history where we're transitioning out of religion. A lot of people have seen through it, a lot are coming out of it and a lot are still in it. It's fascinating to watch and even interact with the billions still holding to this nutty belief system.
I can almost guess what city you are in Wall. Don't let the tiny island of semi-rationality you enjoy at the moment deceive you. It can and likely will be inundated again in the full tide of "faith".
@9-11 is a Judeo PNAC inside job so sad to hear otherwise intelligent people argue about Faith and pretend there is actual justification for these beliefs. Atheist is anyone that doesn't believe in a god, they are not a group or philosophy. Being pro-choice means a woman is in charge of her body not a man or god gets to make that choice.
This is not something that comes without a cost. Social psychology research indicates that conspiracies are replacing God in the role of agency and causation as we transition to a more secular society. You might ebentually long for the days when people just believed in God, rather than the New World Order.
Wow, who is this guy? This is a very good concise summary of lots of stuff I have learned from various bible scholars. Can't believe he made it from Genesis to Paul and the gospels in approx one hour covering most of the ground that explains how Christianity came about in-between, and why we think that. He covered a lot!
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@miguelchippsinteligente6072 Nope! Failure of attempt to use logic with unrelated things. First, jesus is just an imaginary character from a fictional storybook written by humans and based on mythological malarkey and superstitious hogwash. Second, that fictional storybook is used as a manual for one of three competing monotheistic death 💀 ☠️ 💀 cults that have as one of their goals, the mental subjugation of non-death cult individuals into the brain cancer of slave morality through rampant fearmongering and false guilt tripping by said death cult leaders and their cult members. FREE YOUR MIND!!!
Many Christians like to argue that evolution is false. The more I look around at the world, all I see is that everything is evolving. Mr. Zuersher's talk shows very clearly both the evolution of Judaism and Christianity. The whole friggin' universe is evolving!
@Steve I respect your comments, and we would probably find that we agree on many issues from Trump to Hitler, and Hitler to Trump, lol. But I suspect that our definitions of "evolution" are just different. To me, you may be mistaking "evolution" to mean "improvement"? I hesitate to quote a Wikipedia definition of anything - I'm sure we both know how wrong it can be about so many things - but here goes: "Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations." Change, NOT improvement. Things can get worse as well as better! Incidentally, I have a terrible confession. I probably believe in God!!! But I sometimes wonder if He believes in me?
As always, semantics is key here, especially if specific nomenclatures of different scientific fields (biology, history of religions and cosmology) are involved. Evolutionary biologists like Dawkins, Coyne or Shubin mean something quite different from cosmologists or astrophysicists. You could boil all of it down to a common core of »change over time«, but then you just say »everything changes«, and all you have left is a truism.
@Steve You were going pretty good there until you went down the Christian rabbit hole. Blood sacrifice to avenge a long-ago sin by two people from whom it is quite impossible that the rest of mankind descended? That's not just a little bit nutty to you? Eating body and blood of this deity? Not just a little creepy? Whew. If you're like "most Christians," like the ones who believe in evolution, you believe in a Jesus who's pretty much just like you, thinks like you, approves of the same things you do and disapproves of the same things you do. You're quite comfortable with your personal Jesus, aren't you? Of course you talk him up as being challenging, powerful, insight for living, stuff like that. But basically he's a way for you to have social acceptance and a itty-bitty halo, and to preach at people and come off as just a bit better in the Grace department. And you're SO willing to share yourself--I mean your God--with people, aren't you? Everyone should know Steve--I mean God, right? The vanity, self-delusion, and general congenial complacent narcissism of American Christians is a wondrous sight to behold.
Thank you so much for this upload. Most people trying to sell a book stay a bit vague on their tours. Bill Zuersher, on the other hand, lays it all out. He just sold another book!
@@omnipitous4648 I think they're probably in agreement on all the main points. The difference is that Professor Ehrman has to walk on eggshells just to keep the KKK off his lawn and his students' parents off his back, since he teaches at a bible-belt university.
@@ohiostate4515 Just for the record, I gave a response that directly refuted the alleged absence of the KKK in NC and pointed out that university towns are often oases in seas of right-wing extremism, but it was censured by the alleged "Free-thinking" host, presumably because my comment was not sufficiently prudish, water-downed and slavishly conformist to a qualify as genuine "free thought"
KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC Wow.... And I thought this video might attract the interest of critical thinkers, rather than dogmatists who believe: a) Truth is fully attainable and b) They are in possession of it. I've met a lot of fundamentalist Christians who think that way too!
atheists built no civilizations, all Prophets peace and blessings on them were Muslims and Islam is the preserved faith so humanity as a whole testifies to Islam being true. judaism is organized racism and needs to feed and atheism is organized nothing and needs to be fed of off. they are opposite ends of the spectrum and religion is what balances between the devils racism and being an an aimless animal! evolution is a cancer science insult like cigarette being healthy. dna and rna are written like languages intel design is clear!
What I like best about these atheistic videos is I get to think for myself. I'm a little rusty these days at 75 as a recent ex-christian, but it's really liberating nonetheless. Example: the book of Revelation states that the fearful will not be saved...hmmm This is of course the christian view, but if I decide to question this christian injunction - even though I will presumably go to a lake of eternal fire for doing so - I overcome my fear, i.e., give up the faith that promotes fear in the first place, and Christians are by definition full of fear of their god or they wouldn't be Christians. So, like I say, it's liberating, to me at least! And like one of our presidents once said during the Great Depression, the only thing to fear is fear itself. Now learning about logos as the Greek word for Christ, this further set me thinking. I had always thought of Jesus as a really nice man who would save me if I made friends with him. I got this from Catholicism. However as I studied the bible through the years I saw it was much more complicated than that and actually kind of forbidding (to say the least). And all these new testament authors were just a bunch of deep thinkers trying to start up a new religion to increase their wealth and power. And Jesus was basically just an imaginary friend from my childhood I needed to grow out of. That's my personal testimony, folks. As for truth, no one person can embody truth, despite what the bible says. We continually reach for it through science.
Good for you, it must be hard giving up your belief after holding it for such a large part of your life. I was lucky and began to doubt things from being around 11 and by my late teens knew my mind on it. (Also a catholic) However I still find the subject matter and the history of religions fascinating regardless of my own atheism. It is also a large part of the history of civilisations and culture.
@SuperDukka Emmanuel Macron is planning a new organization of 10-countries from north Africa, and east and west Europe. It will be "security" based and will have a military. So far, they are Morocco, Algeria, Albania and North Macedonia, and France with 5 more to be added. They are located in the area of the Old Roman Empire. North Macedonia will be included, because that's where ALEXANDER THE GREAT was from. BITCOIN will be their currency and the poor countries will quickly get rich. They'll be a voting block against ISRAEL at the United Nations. Macron's sole purpose is to work toward the annihilation of ISRAEL. Emmanuel Macron is the anti-Christ political leader. There are two other anti-Christs: 1.) the anti-Christ military leader, a traitorous Jew from the tribe of DAN and pedophile who is in Syria, per the Book of Daniel, chapter 8. This traitorous Jew is an army general in the rebel forces which are fighting against King Assad's military. The Book of Daniel says trouble for ISRAEL comes from "the north" and "far north" (Turkey); and 2.) the anti-Christ religious leader/false prophet who many believe is Rick Warren who wrote the unbiblical book, The Purpose Driven Life and whose son committed suicide. Note: SATAN is working the strongest through Rick Warren. If you go online to look up Rick Warren, you'll only hurt yourself. Please play gospel music that is anointed by THE HOLY SPIRIT to drive away demon spirits. I recommend the website SonLife Broadcasting Network.
@deadend Emmanuel Macron is planning a new organization of 10-countries from north Africa, and east and west Europe. It will be "security" based and will have a military. So far, they are Morocco, Algeria, Albania and North Macedonia, and France with 5 more to be added. They are located in the area of the Old Roman Empire. North Macedonia will be included, because that's where ALEXANDER THE GREAT was from. BITCOIN will be their currency and the poor countries will quickly get rich. They'll be a voting block against ISRAEL at the United Nations. Macron's sole purpose is to work toward the annihilation of ISRAEL. Emmanuel Macron is the anti-Christ political leader. There are two other anti-Christs: 1.) the anti-Christ military leader, a traitorous Jew from the tribe of DAN and pedophile who is in Syria, per the Book of Daniel, chapter 8. This traitorous Jew is an army general in the rebel forces which are fighting against King Assad's military. The Book of Daniel says trouble for ISRAEL comes from "the north" and "far north" (Turkey); and 2.) the anti-Christ religious leader/false prophet who many believe is Rick Warren who wrote the unbiblical book, The Purpose Driven Life and whose son committed suicide. Note: SATAN is working the strongest through Rick Warren. If you go online to look up Rick Warren, you'll only hurt yourself. Please play gospel music that is anointed by THE HOLY SPIRIT to drive away demon spirits. I recommend the website SonLife Broadcasting Network.
@SuperDukka Let's look at today. A WHO leader said, "The virus is stalking people." Oprah said, "Black people, the virus is coming for us." In the Old Testament, there were plagues that targeted specific groups, because they were steeped in sin. Statistically, if you see a black pregnant woman on the subway, she's on her way to have an abortion. This is giving your baby to the demon spirit, Molech. Also, if you worship false religion, you're at risk, such as Roman Catholicism. Covid is from Satan, because he's trying to stop the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ. If it were from God, billions would be dead over a few days. The vaccine for Covid will come out of ISRAEL, the nation will be a blessing to all.
@SuperDukka The first time the Christians as a group escaped death was in 70 A.D. during the Siege of Jerusalem where over 1 million Jews were slaughtered and the remaining people were made slaves. God ordained the siege, because the Christians were congregating in Jerusalem and not fulfilling the great commission. The Christians got word of a coming siege and they fled. The apostle Andrew went as far as the Urals, Russia. There is no record of any Christian being killed in the siege. Regarding Covid, Italy has a problem--their problem is called "Roman Catholicism", a false religion! The Lord Jesus said, "YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN." The Lord Jesus makes life worth living.
@mocknews According to the Bible he also had the power to enact genocide, mass murder of innocent infant boy children, child sex trafficking and slavery. After a military victory over the Midianites, Moses is angry with his generals for bringing back too many prisoners. He responds: 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:17-18 - King James Version
Hey! Not even the Italian mafia in America actually ever threated anyone's grandchildren. That is Yaweh's deal. The mafia had better ethics that He did.
Of course the mafia uses peoples grandchildren to blackmail them. You dont know what you are talking about. The simple reality is: When your parents mess up, you are not guilty but you have to suffer the consequences of that. When your mother drinks during pregnancy, you suffer the consequences. When your father inherits you nothing but debt, you suffer the consequences. At the same time, you benefit from good decisions that your parents made. Thats a simple reality. Atheists do not have any rights to complain at all about this. From an atheistic/materialistic perspective, people are just clumbs of cells without any intrinsic rights. If people have no rights, then God cannot mistreat people.
@@HarryNicNicholas You are objectively wrong. Religious people donate more money to charity and adopt more orphans than atheists. There are statistics about this.
I am a christian, but I really like his presentation. He is a professional and has an objective distance about him. Many atheistsplaners have an underlying hatred and anger toward christians and jews that is so unappealing. Great presentation no new ideas here it would be nice to have an old testament scholar dropping comments in from time to time.
It's Christianity & other abrahamic religions that have hate towards non-believers via the dogma, it isn't us who started, just responded. We don't have dogma stating that non-believers are sinful and destined to eternal doom.
I thought this was well done. I liked the bit about the polytheism migrating to monotheism under the influence of Zarathustra. I liked the bit about the whole logos thing coming in later and the mystery religion aspect and how Paul made it all up. That puts it all into perspective. One could see how after Paul brought in that mystery part, the church just ran with it, adding on stuff over the centuries, making it more and more complex and indecipherable on purpose, which is the real con behind the priesthood.
Paul was a genius. He made up the whole thing from his own personal vision, then took it out and told the tale to gentiles, a much larger body of prospective converts than the Jews. I'm sure the gentiles were relieved to learn they could keep their dicks intact and still be saved...something that prevented many from converting to Judism.
It’s an emotional crutch that they need for a meaningful life. As well as talking donkeys, snakes and bushes. A forgotten “fact” to this fairy tale. He so loves you, he died for you. We are reciprocal beings as are other monkeys and many animals, 'you scratch my back and l scratch yours'. Induces powerful reciprocal emotions on the gullible and vulnerable. But remember he is immortal, GOD! so can’t die!! ‘Oh he came down as a man’, they might say. bs, from day 1 he was god with his virgin birth, miracles, healings. Fairy tale also has an 800 yr old man build a ship that carries min 2 of every animal including your crocs, hyenas, tigers, poison dart frogs, snakes,,,,,,,,,, from every part of the world, have 100 yr old woman become pregnant, has a geocentric earth, where every star, planets revolve around us rather heliocentric fact, LEAVING PLANET EARTH A SPEC in huge vasteness of space, has bats classed as birds, whales as fish, has every human born in sin because all naive, all innocent ,adam and eve were left alone in a garden tempted to eat an apple by an all knowing, all evil talking snake, satan, who was given full access by the all 'all knowing', omnibenevolent god. who created satan? god himself. *FOREHEAD SMACK!!* it'd be more 'loving' and 'justifiable' to hold ALL orientals responsible for the crimes of pol pot, his crimes occurred in recent history, for a few years in 70s and to hold ALL europeans responsble for the crimes of hitler, again in recent history. certainly the orientals and europeans would have more 'responsible' connection to those evil characters than to adam and eve fairy tale, who were 1000s of years ago and genetically far less related. you really have to sell your dignity, self respect, humanity to follow.
@@thenowchurch6419 "Penal substitution barbarism." Perfect phrase for it. Hopefully you're right that we'll one day grow beyond it, although judging from our present condition it might be awhile! LOL.
@@berryvwjnr6481 My point is not that those ancient people told literal stories and we are now smart enough to take them symbolically, but that they told them symbolically and we are now dumb enough to take them literally.”
Addy F2p Absolutely!! Christianity makes complete logical sense, if it is understood in its historical context. It is Judaism 2.0 And until John came up with the brilliant strategy of inventing anti-Semitism, in a ploy to gain adherents, it might have remained a minor cult religion.
@@HarryNicNicholas no atheists built no civilizations, all Prophets peace and blessings on them were Muslims and Islam is the preserved faith so humanity as a whole testifies to Islam being true. judaism is organized racism and needs to feed and atheism is organized nothing and needs to be fed of off. they are opposite ends of the spectrum and religion is what balances between the devils racism and being an an aimless animal! evolution is a cancer science insult like cigarette being healthy. dna and rna are written like languages intel design is clear!
false sects like shia are judeo made FYI: Al least 75% of DNA information is junk. It doesn’t code protein or anything. To me that seems very different than a language. Even if ID was proven, it wouldn’t provide any support for a personal god like Allah or Jehovah. Just sayin’ Also Evolution is more beautiful to me than any book I’ve read. Peace
Nobody in my family is religious and when I got old enough to find out about people’s beliefs, I thought those people were lying because the stories were so absurd, contradictory, and ignorant. Preachers are the worst because they make a living off the big con.
Once you can believe the Bible, Creation and Jesus being resurrected you become a believer and can have the gifts of holy spirit. One of the gifts is discernment that allows you to see the wheat from the tares.
@VideoAudioDisco09 I'll paraphrase you childish immaturity back to you: ounds like "if you can believe crazy it won't seem so crazy" - its the gift of gullibles who believe themselves evolved from monkeys. Go swing through the trees and stop trolling your superior.
Rose White lets assume the whole fantasy story is true with talking snakes, donkeys, bushes, where earth is flat and in the middle of the universe with everything rotating around it, a 700 yr old man gathers two of every animal including poisonous dart frogs, snakes, 20 ft nile crocodiles, lions, wolves, hyenas, gazelle, zebras,,,,, around the globe to his watertight built ship that even today’s engineers would have impossible time constructing with todays tools. Predators and prey live there peacefully and cooperatively. “True” 100 yr old women gets pregnant and conceives healthy boy, bats are birds, whales are fish, ..... where being 'saved' means you have to hate your own family, Luke 14:26 'New International Version "If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their OWN life--such a person CANNOT be my disciple." You must learn to HATE every member of family, including yourself…minimum requirement to be a disciple, so loving! bible is Bronze Age book, assembled and reassembled, translated and retranslated book of failure after failure by an “all knowing all mighty,” so wise! with the one screw up, adam and eve. now l am assuming you have a back bone and the morals and care of an average human. Now ask yourself, if an all loving, 'perfect' and 'all knowing' mother or father puts a tempting looking bomb in the room of 2 most naive little children, and tells them to be good & obedient and not touch it otherwise they will destroy everything, then leaves the bomb totally accessible to the unsupervised all naive children AND leaves door open AND gets an all knowing, all evil creation that god had “wisely” created himself. God knew Satan would enter the house to tempt the children to touch the bomb and the bomb goes off. Let me ask you again .........Who is responsible? the 2 young naive children who don’t even know anything between right and wrong or the ''perfect’’ parent? Take off your rose coloured jesus specs, you do have a back bone and morals right?
Rose White As well as talking donkeys, snakes and bushes. A forgotten “fact” to this fairy tale. He so loves you, he died for you. We are reciprocal beings as are other monkeys and many animals, 'you scratch my back and l scratch yours'. Induces powerful reciprocal emotions on the gullible and vulnerable who need this emotional crutch. But remember he is immortal, GOD! so can’t die!! ‘Oh he came down as a man’, they might say. bs, from day 1 he was god with his virgin birth, miracles, healings. Fairy tale also has an 800 yr old man build a ship that carries min 2 of every animal including your crocs, hyenas, tigers, poison dart frogs, snakes,,,,,,,,,, from every part of the world, have 100 yr old woman become pregnant, has a geocentric earth, where every star, planets revolve around us rather heliocentric fact, LEAVING PLANET EARTH A SPEC in huge vasteness of space, has bats classed as birds, whales as fish, has every human born in sin because all naive, all innocent ,adam and eve were left alone in a garden tempted to eat an apple by an all knowing, all evil talking snake, satan, who was given full access by the all 'all knowing', omnibenevolent god. who created satan? god himself. *FOREHEAD SMACK!!* it'd be more 'loving' and 'justifiable' to hold ALL orientals responsible for the crimes of pol pot, his crimes occurred in recent history, for a few years in 70s and to hold ALL europeans responsble for the crimes of hitler, again in recent history. certainly the orientals and europeans would have more 'responsible' connection to those evil characters than to adam and eve fairy tale, who were 1000s of years ago and genetically far less related. you really have to sell your dignity, self respect, humanity to follow.
@@berryvwjnr6481 Oh dear, poor childishly ignorant Werryberry! Satan really drives you doesn't he? All this garbage you prattle is negated by your inability to understand that your god Satan has been ruling the world almost 6,000 years ever since he impersonated or materialised as a talking serpent and lied ot Eve.
The beginning of my steps towards atheist were when I read the Bible as a 10-12 year old. The first red flag was why would God have a favorite tribe? That makes no sense.
Dirk Knight no it doesn’t. You sound like a damn moron. God has a favorite group of people? Also why would God give us a book that doesn’t change, but we have to understand the culture of the time to make sense of it. And you have the nerve to say I’m not smart enough. You and your made up religion are a joke.
What I noticed as a kid in church is that it seemed odd that the Hebrews kept losing faith in God even though he was winning battles for them every 5 minutes.
Amateur Overlord Difference between real reason for being an atheist versus justifying your lifestyle after you chose your path. You can come up with many reasons to make you feel good about your decision. Those are justifying after the fact. If you dig further, you will see what is it you want that God is in the way of. It will always be a battle of the mind. Can run but truth always catches up.
OH MY GOD 49:32 was a lightbulb moment whoooaaaa baptised unto Christ's death and resurrection as an act of practicing your deity's victory.. It makes so much more sense
Pocahontas must have read her Heraclitus (544-483 B.C.): "No man ever steps into the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man."
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Holy crap! He nailed this SO hard. I've never seen all this information broken down, and organized so thoroughly. Very impressed. Not to fall into confirmation bias, but it IS kind of gratifying to see that he and I came to near identical conclusions through our separate textual analysis.
@@hamo1701 That's the power of religious argumentation. It's like when I tell someone I'm an atheist and they quote something out of the Bible and I think, "I get that you believe that, but in what strange world do you think that even though I don't believe in your god I somehow think the people who wrote an ancient book about it are authoritative?"
Excellent presentation, now know this, Jesus is just us, meaning Jesus is a Allegory story about us, go within, your kingdom is within you, cause the creator is in you. smiles
@@TBOTSS Craig is a great debater but never defends Christianity per say he debates his one deistic point and refuses to defend his actual position as a believer. he can only shine in a formalized debate structure. He's very good at defending his theory that he's had for 30 years, but cannot and will not defend his stance as a believer in Jesus as god.
@@AnonymOus-dp3jj Do you the word Muslim means? It was an Arabic word, meaning: someone who summit himself to the will of God. Did Jesus not summit himself to the will of God?
Wow, I’ve seen so many presentations, hangouts, show on the Bible and this is one of the most comprehensive demonstrations of the issues with the Bible and Christianity. Very well done.
This is weak criticism and I expected more… His first argument doesn’t take into account that the Hebrew would routinely use the Beth Essentia. This implies that when God revealed Himself as El Shaddai, he was revealing aspects of His nature that were relevant to Abraham at the time and sufficient for his belief. Later it was revealed to Moses fully the nature of God as YHWH. The Hebrew is hard to understand but definitely not as simple as this person wants us to believe. For his point about making them in ‘our’ image, this is taken by some scholars as referring to the Trinity- I know what you’re thinking; 3 Gods! Nope lol. This is an improper understanding of the Trinity that is rampant among atheists and others alike. God referred to Himself as Elohim (plural Masculine tone) about 2500 times. Besides the Trinity (which is perfectly in line and coherent with the Christian view), Orthodox Jews iterate the idea of the majestic plural that was mentioned in the video and then very much so hand-waived. Once a character aspect has been named in a work, there is no need for the author to continue to use that aspect going forward because it’s assumed the reader understands this when reading on. I stopped at 46 min because I just couldn’t take the very weak arguments that only take a little bit of reading, exegesis, and scholarly work to understand. Disappointing. P.s. I fully expect atheists to come for time lol but I’ve heard it all before. The Truth is and will always be in God and of God. Ask yourself if you’re certain God doesn’t exist, if He does though, will your arguments be enough of an excuse for disbelief? Who knows. God bless.
@@RedShnow "What moral values do you believe in if not in Christianity?" This has got to be the stupidest question ever. It takes a minute to make a mess but an hour to clean it up.
@@massimoqualsiasi3444 Some people can reciprocate cutting one another lol, but I know what you mean..a treat one another the way you want to be treated kind of rhetoric..no matter the derivative. A Golden Rule of sorts is best explained..some people even bring up the Platinum Rule which is a more modern conception.
I have seen the truth, my eyes are opened. I was blind but now I see. The con is exposed, the emperor clothes have been nicked. We are all free to do what the blazes we want. Just make sure you don’t get sprung
The invention of Heaven and Hell was always on my list of "Top Ten List" of innovations made by Christianity that enabled it to far surpass its theological precursor, Judaism. I must say though that the idea that "punishment unto the third or fourth generation" served as a precursor to the notion of Hell was brilliant. It can't be a mere coincidence that a long-lived person from that period would have been alive long enough to actually see the third or fourth generation, and thus have to suffer the guilt of having caused them harm. (To give credit where credit is due, the notion of "guilt" as a manner of punishment is a theme that would continue to be developed and refined in Judaism. Christianity wisely got rid of it, which of course is why so many Christians are able to behave terribly, while feeling completely guilt-free.)
Your soul or new body in hell will burn, boil, fry, bake, bbq, sizzle, charbroil, roast, as you're screaming and burning with flames licking your ass and rotting forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever. Because a guy was born feeling gay . Or a teenager wanked his weiner. Because God is Love. See how the fear effect factor can work?! Subjugation of religious servitude duty by mental manipulation based on fear of the afterlife. Tactics of the angry god deity concept.
Ed McClucksky The fact that i’m laughing (out loud) as I’m reading your reply suggests that somehow the message is just not getting through to me. I suppose I might regret that some day? ...which reminds me of a favorite Gary Larson cartoon. Let me see if I can find it. Ah.... Here it is. i.pinimg.com/originals/f1/47/b5/f147b52172d572a958bee47c7c939eba.jpg
@@MendTheWorld I can't tell if Ed is supporting or refuting. But to your original comment, be mindful, christianity plays heavily on guilt! Everyone is a born sinner, and awful, and evil, and must seek forgiveness, and often! It's psychological torture! But we might need several more decades before this reaches critical mass. However, the religion is already showing signs of acquiescing, where some churches are even saying hell doesn't exist. So progress is happening slowly.
Plus I read Richard Dawkins......"The God Delusion" And if I didn't see it or witness it or undoubtedly with empiracle evidence to support faith then why should we believe it?
This is one of those lectures that makes you go, "How the hell did I not see that before?" At 31:00 the speaker rebuts the Christian identification of the serpent in Eden with Satan by pointing out that God punishes the snake, who, according to the Christian interpretation is merely a victim of identity theft, when the Lord should be going after Satan, the father of lies himself. Does God not know that Satan has entered into the serpent? God knows everything, right?
When one attempts to read the Bible to understand Judaism and Christianity [in this case, the Old Testament], the most important thing do is: 1). Study by comparison of more than one translation; 2). Have a Strong’s Concordance at hand to establish the correct translation from original language; and 3). Read the text for what it actually says, not what you might have been taught that it says.
@Eric You might find value in reading about the Gnostics, specifically the Sethians, who believed that 'Yahweh' was a trickster god (like Lokey) who created the world but was a jerk to it, and that Jesus was sent by the supreme high god to save the people. Also, they believe that the serpent in Genesis was Jesus incarnate, trying to save humanity early on. Notice that the serpent never lied or deceived, he just showed Adam and Eve the path to wisdom, and understanding the difference between good and evil.
The fact that so many Americans believe the nonsense of christianity is staggering. The rest of advanced societies around the world dumped this crap around 100 years ago.
@@koella2 Emmanuel Macron is planning a new organization of 10-countries from north Africa, and east and west Europe. It will be "security" based and will have a military. So far, they are Morocco, Algeria, Albania and North Macedonia, and France with 5 more to be added. They are located in the area of the Old Roman Empire. North Macedonia will be included, because that's where ALEXANDER THE GREAT was from. BITCOIN will be their currency and the poor countries will quickly get rich. They'll be a voting block against ISRAEL at the United Nations. Macron's sole purpose is to work toward the annihilation of ISRAEL. Emmanuel Macron is the anti-Christ political leader. There are two other anti-Christs: 1.) the anti-Christ military leader, a traitorous Jew from the tribe of DAN and pedophile who is in Syria, per the Book of Daniel, chapter 8. This traitorous Jew is an army general in the rebel forces which are fighting against King Assad's military. The Book of Daniel says trouble for ISRAEL comes from "the north" and "far north" (Turkey); and 2.) the anti-Christ religious leader/false prophet who many believe is Rick Warren who wrote the unbiblical book, The Purpose Driven Life and whose son committed suicide. Note: SATAN is working the strongest through Rick Warren. If you go online to look up Rick Warren, you'll only hurt yourself. Please play gospel music that is anointed by THE HOLY SPIRIT to drive away demon spirits. I recommend the website SonLife Broadcasting Network.
@Natturner Why do you yield your flesh to demon spirits? Right now, in the U.S. the air is dense with lasciviousness, concupiscence, and iniquity. Every person who voted for Obama was demon controlled. Most Democrats are like Nancy Pelosi--and openly demon possessed. About 2 years ago, Pelosi said at her press conference, "Abortion is holy."
@@susanleary1352 You sound completely unhinged. Like a batshit crazy church lady who sees demons everywhere around. Get a grip on reality bitch. That shit isn't real.
Mystery religions were based on the sun more than vegetative cycles. The book "The Jesus Mysteries" shows in depth how Christianity is just a Jewish retelling of pagan mystery religion
Interesting. Maybe some form of "absorbent kathenotheism" (not syncretism) would be appliccable. Take for instance the Israelites meeting with the Kennite tribe which resulted in their mountain god being adopted as a new higher form of understanding of God at the time.
@Ellen Francis 67Yes, but it adds the tribes sssociated with Rachel and Leah. Though the Kenite hypothesis is old and flawed, biblical research is often based on well-founded speculation. The question of the historicity of Moses complicates things further. No matter what the Midjan peoples believed in, I think it is safe to assume that the Israelites (the term Jews often used for the time after the Babylonian exile and/or destruction of the first temple) belief in Jahwe incorporated a stronger focus on their god as a mountain-, possibly even a volcanogod. The inclusion of the shrines of the patriarchs, the wargod-aspect of Sebaoth, agricultural Baal and citystate god carried this further. To say that the other Kanaanites merely invented their gods is underestimating the Israelites themselves. The very idea Israel signifies a struggle with divinity resulting in a continually changing idea of God. Armstrong, Bowker and Gardell mentions the kennites also, but the Kennite hypotesis is old and weary. I do not subscribe to it in total.
@Ellen Francis 67 I encourage you to be less pejurative in your replies. I am definetely not your sweetie. The historicity of Moses does not follow logically from the presence of a Jewish person. I can see that you position yourself as a pro-israelite with orthodox viewpoints. I am simply referring to research where such views are not neccessarily so evident. Try challenging those views instead by looking at the research yourself. You may be intrigued.
Elohim is the God we recognize from the Bible, walking with Adam&Eve etc in the Garden. However, I read a superficial book on Kabbalah. He is not supposed to be the main deity. It is kind of confusing. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing I know. It was very interesting, however, I could have understood it better if a person well versed in it explained it.
Ellen Francis 67 Do you know if this is regularly gone over, discussed in regular services at a Synagogue, or is it just for scholars and intellectuals etc..
The Persian word 'šeytân' got into Persian through Islam via the Arabic 'šayṭān' that ultimately derives from 'satán' in Hebrew. It's a Hebrew loanword.
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Monev360 Yes, but I find some of the laughing in the audience somewhat distasteful. This lecture is about understanding religion, I hope, not ridiculing it. Maybe the border between knowledge, satire and ridicule is somewhat overlapping. The enthusiasm of the speaker may lead some in that direction, but I would rather it did not.
@@trondbirkeland8094 The topic is so dry that many lecturers with try to throw in a few humorous points or contradictions to keep the audience engaged. And fuck being polite! Respect people not there bad ideas or their beliefs.
What exactly do you have to research, religious mythological nonsense is just that, nonsense, delusions are not reality, no matter how hard you want them to be. You where not born with these ludicrous beliefs, they where indoctrinated into you, just like they where indoctrinated into those same people that indoctrinated you.
This was an excellent presentation. My personal belief is what became what we know as Christianity (Gospel-based) was the 'Outer Mysteries' of a mystery religion that Paul espoused. The Outer Mysteries were the 'milk' of the religion - actually believing that Jesus was a living breathing human that walked around on earth. The Inner Mysteries (the 'meat') was that this was all invisible, supernatural, and spiritual; and that the Gospel stories were merely metaphors for what happened in a spiritual supernatural invisible realm. It would be too hard for new initiates/converts to grasp/believe in the 'meat' (since it is completely invisible and supernatural), so it is dressed up as a tale that actually happened on earth to help them internalize the key concepts. So I would argue that all the Jewish/Canaanite stuff was just the mythological backstory to support what was really a Graeco-Roman mystery phenomenon (essentially placing more emphasis on the last influence in his key slide). Later Christians decided that this 'milk' was in fact eternal truth and left behind the deeper metaphorical foundation.
This is an excellent historical review of the evolution of the two expressions of the Abrahamic faith. Ironically, this very same subject matter (i.e. the drift from polytheism through henotheism and eventually to monotheism) was part of the core curriculum at the seminary from which I graduated. We were also taught that Moses was a mythic pastiche of over thirty Midianite heroic sagas and that the exodus was an extravagant work of fiction intended to legitimize the rule of a once landless (that is: Hibaru) people. Yes, Zoroastrianism greatly influenced rabbinic Judaism, especially the Pharisees. Zoroastrianism imparted the concept of final judgement and a generalized notion of "afterlife" to Judaism and Xstianity.
@VideoAudioDisco09 Greetings from the northern hemisphere! I want to take this opportunity to answer your question. Please do not misconstrue my remarks as an attempt to proselytize. I'm not here to troll. I'm here, because I find the presentations to be fascinating. The historical critical method is taught not as an exercise in apologetics, but rather as a way to bridge the hermeneutical gap (i.e. the cultural and historical differences that prevent us from understanding the text). While the application of scientific method and literary criticism to "holy writ" is troubling for many seminarians, I find it to be quite invigorating. However, I realize that I am not the average parish pastor. Years of teaching comparative religion, my background in philosophy, and participation in interfaith dialogue place me at odds with many of my fellow coreligionists. While some may view historical critical method and the religious practices to be at odds, I like to understand them as being locked in a dialectic. The ancient Greeks understood the complementarity of Logos and Mythos. Logos (logic) and Mythos (mythological narrative) are not mutually exclusive; they are complementary. Logos creates artificial intelligence and Mythos helps us to understand its meaning. While I teach scripture using historical critical method, I will present the narrative in mythic form during worship. However, I do not confuse Logos and Mythos (e.g. I will never promote a creationist / literal interpretation of the two and a half creation myths found in Genesis). Perhaps this approach can best be explained by Joseph Campbell's quote, "If you treat myth literally, you pervert it; if you ignore myth, truth sneaks out the back door." In my opinion, religion becomes a toxic liability to society when it seeks to promote its Mythos over Logos. Cheers, George
@VideoAudioDisco09 You are exactly right. Mythology, when misapplied, can easily be used to harm humanity as opposed to enriching humanity. That is especially true here in the United States.
@@rev.georgeschneider4763 thank you for sharing. I hope you will give a public talk some day like the speaker in this video. Personally, I'd love to 'peak behind the curtain' and get a Cole's Notes of what is taught in seminary.
Wow! I've never seen a believer admit the origins and syncretism of the Abrahamic religion. This comment is 2 years old, so I was wondering where your faith is now? You've likely reasoned that there was no original sin...so you can see where this is going.
Interesting. It almost has enough volume to listen through, but I'm missing too much. I typically mostly listen, not watching. It’s a little clearer if viewing the video part, which is excellent. Wish it were louder.
Wow, I remember me in the process of leaving Christianity that I stumbled upon Zoroastrian and how it preceded Abrahamic religions. How they introduced dualism, afterlife, good vs evil etc and I couldn’t help but think that those in exile were heavily influenced by it. Judaism seemed to have adopted it, then gave it to Christianity. This video walks you down the road so simply and straight forward. This guy is amazing.
@@TrisjensChronicles1203 The crucifix fish depicts the crucifixion and the resurrection. However, that doesn't mean everything else in "Christianity" is true.
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Stephen Taylforth Beg to differ. IMHO, Ehrman burns the candle at both ends. He's brilliant guy, and extremely learned, but keeps at least his toe, if not his entire right foot, immersed in his faithful past.
@9-11 is a Judeo PNAC inside job I'm curious... how does one determine that a certain academic is "better" than another? What is your criteria? What is your evaluation method? What are your metrics? Have you accounted for any possible bias in your process? Are you referring to number of publications, H-index, or number of PhDs confirred? Can you share your proposed ranking system so that others can perform the test themselves to confirm your results and conclusions? Also, I offer my condolences that your esteemed mentor passed away last year. And a free tip: you might want to consider changing your screen name to something less inflammatory and judgmental if you want others to take you seriously and respect what you have to say. Otherwise they might have their guard up and be less open to your ideas.
@@p.bamygdala2139 No surprise: Jerald Dirks is the author of a very pro-Muslim theistic book entitled "Understanding Islam". I don't mean to make a sweeping generalization but there are lots of Islamic extremists who try to instrumentalize atheist studies on youtube to extract the anti-Christian and (especially) anti-Jewish elements, while completely missing the main point: they are arguing against the existence of any god, including "Allah"!
@@jfphotography69 Yup, most people of faith have been indoctrinated during childhood..so tragic, as most will live their entire lives dedicated to the delusion. Humanity is whack..
Find a skeptic group by you, there are more atheist around you than you realize! Good luck, Person I don't know, I have struggled thru my de-conversion , and look for people! It helps!
Here are some Christians and Scholars at the same time:)) He puts many proper Arguments.... but is still very one sided... IT is Not that simple,If you really study the issue AS Profi !!! Read Arthur Peacocke, Ian Barbur If you really want to meet real Profi researchers!
@@smartspiritsergzh9892 Peacocke was an Anglican, so I'll take what he say's with a very large pinch of salt. Barbur is another Christian trying to bridge the impossible, religion and science, I find it galling that they use mediums such as a computer, telephone to spout their views as we all know if we left it up to religion we would still by living in the bronze age a best, as their precious book commands, yes lets live life in ignorance like a goat herder 6 thousand years ago.
@@fredshred5194 Very naiv View:) They are prominent Scientists and Profis in at least both fields. Yes take it with a large pinch of salt, but just try to read without prejudice and apriory set of mind... And you will see actually what IT IS. Another man is Hadly (Hedly) Bruck (History of Science)! Many people are very naiv about development of the History of the Interaction of these fields...
@@smartspiritsergzh9892 prejudice, is not a word I'd use, how about logic, to achieve any scientific progress ones has to suspend a belief in any of the Gods and religious belief. Your choice of religion all depends on your parents and where you are born. Religion and a God has no place in science, at may have been in the long ago past but that's because religions kept the masses ignorant, only priests ect.. could read and write so yes obviously they would be in the position to discover new things and ideas. But even then they got into trouble for their new ideas, the earth goes around the sun is just one example. The less grip religion has an society the quicker science progresses. Take the dark ages and islam as examples. So I confirm again if we submitted to man made religions we'd still be burning witches and new ideas ect... I take it you must be religious because only someone who did would try spout this illogical garbage .
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Just bought the book on Kindle ($2.99). Wonderful presentation Bill. Thank you, Sir. Oh, to go back in time and see all this as it happened. It'd be a hell of a screenplay.
Yea… had to turn volume up to 150% by raising PulseAudio's maximum volume for my SeaMonkey web browser (you can do that with GNU+Linux+Plasma5 easily). Good presentation by Bill, otherwise. Cheers!
OUR EFFORTS ENDAVORING TO UNDERSTAND BTONZE AGE EPISTIMOLOGIES IS LAUDABLE ! HOWEVER, INE WE READ AND SEE THE ABURDITIES , NONSENSE AND FABLES WHICH ARE PATENTLY OBVIOUS IN SUCH CALLED HOLY BOOKS ? , IT IS ASTONISHING THAT SO MANY COUNTLESS MILLIONS CONTINUE TO RELEGATE AND ORGANIZE THEIR LIVES AROUND SUCH NONSENSE !
.. in answer to the man's question at 1:16, Exodus was probly writ after the release from Babylon.. the Bible was writ then, probly by Ezra The Scribe, and Nehemiah.. we know this because the Book Of Maccabee's tells us that Nehemiah formed a library after the release from Captivity.. the Book Of Maccabee's is not in most Bibles, but is in some.. Maccabee's was left out because it is clearly historical, and is not considered spiritual, not Divinely inspired, but it does mention Nehemiah's founding of a library of scriptures, about 400 BC.. this is probly the version of OT that was later translated into Greek and became known as 'Septuagint'.. probly...
@@tabe412 ..Abraham.. the Bible was probly writ by Ezra The Scribe, after the release from the Captivity.. Jerusalem was sacked, the temple destroyed, the Jews taken into captivity, in 589 BC, by the Babylonians.. it is reasonable to assume that whatever writing the Jews had at that time was also destroyed, and the Bible tells us that after the captivity, about 50 yrs later, Ezra collected together stories of ancient Israel.. Ezra wrote ancient Hebrew Mythology, not history.. Adam and Eve, the Flood, Exodus, and even the story of Moses, all Myth, probly.. there may be some history in Chronicles and Judges, probly not all is myth.. but we can be fairly certain that Ezra wrote the Bible, about 500BC .. the Scriptures were again destroyed, scattered, during the Maccabean Revolt, and later again, a new library was formed, after that disastrous war.. this is what the Books Of Maccabee's tells us..
@@GARYWERSLEY your case is built on what you yourself call a "reasonable assumption". Let me rest my case there. Even if Ezra was the scribe the writing need not have all been conceived by him. If you have read the old testament the evidence for that is all there to see.
@@tabe412 ..Abraham.. it is reasonable to assume that during the Captivity there was a Jewish oral tradition, and it was this that Ezra The Scribe wrote down.. we know that Moses never wrote any of the Bible.. the OT, same as the gospels, same as the Koran too, all writ some time after the events they relate, and in most cases, writers unknown.. but we can actually place Ezra as the writer/compiler of the OT, at about that time, after the release from Captivity, thanks to the writers of Maccabee's.. probly...
@@GARYWERSLEY I've been curious for a while now as to who wrote what during the Babylonian captivity, and how it was brought back to Judea. Ibe been meaning to do some research into the Arionide (sp?) family. Do you have any recommended scholarly authors I could look up who have written on your hypothesis of a specific scribe authoring the OT? Thanks!
The baptism was mushroom therapy, that's why they saw visions. The temple was a mystery school, the menorah is the Sephira tree and every synagogue had zodiacs, what else could they be?
Millions start religions. Most gather just a handful of followers. Nothing unique about the Jews. A roman emperor made that crap a state religion. New sects are ten a penny. Most got butchered by the dominant cult.
Depends on who does the comparison. You have no argument. All you have is a claim, and that got rejected. Millions of drug users talk about their drug induced delusions. And millions got murdered for it. That's undisputed history, you moron! Roman state religion got enforced by means of lethal violence. That's undisputed history. Europe broke free when they failed for the first time in 1648. That was the start of modern civilization based on individual civil rights. To that date they exterminated whatever challenged their stupid ideas. That's undisputed history.
@Steve All priest craft are charlatans & magicians and all the religions are smoke & mirrors...a belief system based on an imaginary tulpa (and satan is an egregore). There's nothing unique about the Jews, they got their myths from previous empires, about solar movements and constellations the same as Egypt and Greece and India and Persia etc. it's about charting a calendar for agriculture and navigation using astronomy and sharing it as mythical characters (constellations) until it was written down and foolishly taken as literal facts by the uneducated superstitious. (what nonsense). The facts are there is no archeological evidence for any temple, exodus, etc. and no one apparently knows exactly where the so called Jews came from, even their history is fiction. As for the Christians, there exists no record of their most famous man who ever lived and died and shook up the city of Jerusalem with earthquakes and miracles, none of which is documented by any historian of the time, nada, zilch, zip! Flavius Josephus is not credible, his writings contain the fiction of the seven miracles, one being of a cow giving birth to a lamb. The so called biblical text is full of interpolations, forgeries, etc. geographical errors, and absurdities. The chiastic structure gives it away even in Paul's so-called epistles, half of which scholars deem to be forgeries as well.
@Steve It may have been the use of mushrooms as John Allegro talks about or it may just be the kundalini experience...the majority of gospel writers were gnostics, they spoke of having revelations...did you even read my reply? No comment to anything in that?
It is astonishing to me the groundswell of non-rheist material that is becoming available. This is a remarkable change from not so long ago when The vast majority were intimidated against voicing their views in public. it is true that most Christians will neither watch, nor be persuaded by these videos.... it is a distinct improvement over the cowed silence many of us faced when we struggled with “coming out”
As someone who came to philosophy through the rise of the New Atheist movement, It's funny to me now looking at how hollow and simplistic these critiques really are. They are good critiques of more fundamentalist ways of reading the bible but I get the sense that most people who find this type of argument compelling have never read or encountered anyone who takes a more metaphysically sophisticated way of looking at the Bible. It's sort of bizarre to me how confidently so many people (my former self included) speak about "beliefs" and "belief systems" as if science has already arrived at some kind of solid understanding of how these things function on a psychological level, and that people who see the world this way seem not to recognize how shallow these explanations are when it comes to explaining how humans make everyday decisions about what they want in life and how they are going to go about it. I used to talk and think this way myself all the time back when I was in the more strident phase of my exploration of reason, science, faith, ethics, worldviews, etc. Keep exploring and keep an open mind. The mysteries of this world are not so easily papered over by a simplistic rationality as often presented by those who often claim to be reason's defender.
The problem is that people who are Christian tend not to read the bible in a metaphysically sophisticated way. If they did they wouldn’t be Christian. Jordan Peterson talks about the story of Christ bearing his cross as a message that we all should bear our own burdens. I can read that kind of meaning into Tolkien or JK Rowling. It doesn’t mean Aragorn or Ron Weasley are, or ever were, more than just fictional characters. Whilst the stories of a global flood, the fall, the exodus, the gospel etc. might have all been knowingly written by authors as allegories or fables, they are not viewed that way by most of the billion Christians around the world.
The defenders of reason never claim to have an answer to all the mysteries. They just debunk the hogwash of the religious and say that some mysteries of old are explained by science. The mistake people like you make is to think that we claim that science can answer everything. We do not make this claim. Science has it's limits.
@@Glasstable2011 I think we are in disagreement about what it means to read with metaphysical depth. To me the question is not whether people think it's 'just an allegory.' The question is whether or not people recognize the truth value within the stories at all. In the modern era I would say that the vast majority of theists read the Bible with far more metaphysical depth than most atheists, who in my experience tend want to read it almost exclusively as a historical/scientific document. Granting that Peterson has changed this somewhat. The problem with conservative or fundamentalist readings of the Bible is not that they lack metaphysical depth. It's that they also want to give it historical and scientific credibility. The depth of the Bible's message is substantially more than just 'bearing our own burdens.' Peterson has gone far beyond just that in just his Biblical lecture series and he only just made it through Genesis! Not only that but, most of this conversation is focused solely on the Bible itself, but a tremendous amount of work has also been done elaborating on the symbolic framework contained in the Christian story by later Christian writers, especially those in the eastern orthodox tradition, most of which atheists tend to be completely unfamiliar with. I'm a huge fan of both Tolkien and Rowling but neither of those stories has even close to the level of metaphysical complexity that the Christian tradition does. There's no Sermon On The Mount or Book Of Job in Tolkien. Not only that but neither of those stories could have even been written without the benefit of the Christian tradition. Tolkien was himself deeply Christian and acknowledged very openly that he borrowed heavily from the mythological structure of Christianity in the story of middle-earth. Also, it's worth noting that Peterson is not the only voice in the academic world who's bothered to take the Bible more seriously. He's far less well known but Rene Girard has written extensively about this subject in ways that anyone who is a fan of Peterson would likely find very interesting. While it's become very commonly accepted to say that the Bible is just another set of mythological tropes, Girard's interpretation uses an anthropological analysis of ritual sacrifice in mythology to show how the Bible is actually much more historically unique than is generally recognized. He was able to show that upon careful reading the Biblical stories are actually complete deconstructions of the mythic motifs that proceeded them, and that rather than merely copying those tropes it actually completely subverts them in key ways. For this reason he called Christianity "the end of mythology" or "anti-mythology."
@@Blackadder75 I don't see where I claimed that all it's supporters think it explains everything. My problem isn't that people are too confident in science, although I do think some are. My problem is that so many people who lack any real familiarity with the religious traditions they criticize feel justified in dismissing it all as 'hogwash' simply because they can read it in the least sophisticated way possible and then pretend that's the only way it's possible to see it. Then they'll have the arrogance to claim to be doing so on grounds of defending science and reason.
Garrett Fuls you mentioned the book of Job which interests me as I find it one of the more repellant books of the bible. I’m wondering what metaphysical depth there is in that book beyond the literal interpretation?
[El-Shaddai --> Yahweh] Found in the old testament scriptures: kodesh.snunit.k12.il/i/t/t0206.htm (2 - 3 ). Now, why would the all knowing god need to present herself by a different name over time, if not for the evolution of the faith system ?!
Gilad Pachter Jesus himself during his ministry presented himself with multiple names when asked who he was: The truth, the way, I Am. Both God and Jesus changed people’s name. Simon became Peter. Abraham was Abram. Of course, God changed Jacob to Israel. Name changing is consistent with the message.
All of this was helpful to me except his dismissal of the first three of Paul's arguments which I think have much more merit than he assigns. Overall, though, thoughtful, knowledgeable, useful and well organized. Kudos and thanks.
58:46 yes, the undefinable source (monad) brought into existence the living waters of the great feminine creative impulse which birthed the logos (F/M/S)...But things don't get interesting until Sophia acts...
Well done presentation. Nothing really new here, though. Much of this is Religion 101 and well known outside the more exclusive churches. Karen Armstrong has a good book on this topic. The juxtaposition of stages with invasions and conquest is simple and elegant, though. This lecture neglects an even earlier stage, a more tribal and nomadic sticks and stones-cult where the chiefs have their own personal god to do business with. This predates even the more general Canaanite polytheism.
I also would have enjoyed if the speaker could have taken us all the way back to the bronze age with the god of war, the god of metallurgy, and the god Yah in Egypt and Nubia. Maybe there's a follow-up lecture somewhere on TH-cam.
Wow , the more I listen to this to glean what I glazed over the first few times because he got me thinking about a point he’d just made etc... the more I appreciate the considered and well researched and reasoned objective points he makes. He also covers a huge scope of the entire history, drawing it together coherently for an average person. Clear, quick moving presentation, clearly thought out, meets its objective without being too intellectually aloof or smug. I’ll have more please , lots more 😎👍
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We live in a rare bizarre time in history where we're transitioning out of religion. A lot of people have seen through it, a lot are coming out of it and a lot are still in it. It's fascinating to watch and even interact with the billions still holding to this nutty belief system.
So true. It boggles the mind so many are still holding on in this day and age.
I can almost guess what city you are in Wall. Don't let the tiny island of semi-rationality you enjoy at the moment deceive you. It can and likely will be inundated again in the full tide of "faith".
It's so difficult to deal with the faithful, they really refuse to even think about a world without a god.
@9-11 is a Judeo PNAC inside job so sad to hear otherwise intelligent people argue about Faith and pretend there is actual justification for these beliefs. Atheist is anyone that doesn't believe in a god, they are not a group or philosophy. Being pro-choice means a woman is in charge of her body not a man or god gets to make that choice.
This is not something that comes without a cost. Social psychology research indicates that conspiracies are replacing God in the role of agency and causation as we transition to a more secular society. You might ebentually long for the days when people just believed in God, rather than the New World Order.
May this video continue to be watched long after TH-cam has been abandoned. Bless you for uploading this.
The truth shall set you free , from religion .
Wow, who is this guy? This is a very good concise summary of lots of stuff I have learned from various bible scholars. Can't believe he made it from Genesis to Paul and the gospels in approx one hour covering most of the ground that explains how Christianity came about in-between, and why we think that. He covered a lot!
Look up Richard Carrier. Just found out about him recently.
Best presentation regarding this subject I've ever heard. I bought his book right away. Thank you so much.
Book? I am loving this talk. Going to look up his written work now! Thx.
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Nope! Failure of attempt to use logic with unrelated things.
First, jesus is just an imaginary character from a fictional storybook written by humans and based on mythological malarkey and superstitious hogwash.
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Many Christians like to argue that evolution is false. The more I look around at the world, all I see is that everything is evolving. Mr. Zuersher's talk shows very clearly both the evolution of Judaism and Christianity. The whole friggin' universe is evolving!
Bad equivalent.
@Steve MOST Christians do NOT argue that evolution is false.
@Steve I respect your comments, and we would probably find that we agree on many issues from Trump to Hitler, and Hitler to Trump, lol. But I suspect that our definitions of "evolution" are just different. To me, you may be mistaking "evolution" to mean "improvement"? I hesitate to quote a Wikipedia definition of anything - I'm sure we both know how wrong it can be about so many things - but here goes: "Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations." Change, NOT improvement. Things can get worse as well as better! Incidentally, I have a terrible confession. I probably believe in God!!! But I sometimes wonder if He believes in me?
As always, semantics is key here, especially if specific nomenclatures of different scientific fields (biology, history of religions and cosmology) are involved. Evolutionary biologists like Dawkins, Coyne or Shubin mean something quite different from cosmologists or astrophysicists.
You could boil all of it down to a common core of »change over time«, but then you just say »everything changes«, and all you have left is a truism.
@Steve You were going pretty good there until you went down the Christian rabbit hole. Blood sacrifice to avenge a long-ago sin by two people from whom it is quite impossible that the rest of mankind descended? That's not just a little bit nutty to you? Eating body and blood of this deity? Not just a little creepy? Whew.
If you're like "most Christians," like the ones who believe in evolution, you believe in a Jesus who's pretty much just like you, thinks like you, approves of the same things you do and disapproves of the same things you do. You're quite comfortable with your personal Jesus, aren't you? Of course you talk him up as being challenging, powerful, insight for living, stuff like that. But basically he's a way for you to have social acceptance and a itty-bitty halo, and to preach at people and come off as just a bit better in the Grace department. And you're SO willing to share yourself--I mean your God--with people, aren't you? Everyone should know Steve--I mean God, right?
The vanity, self-delusion, and general congenial complacent narcissism of American Christians is a wondrous sight to behold.
He's very good at explaining himself. Great job!!
Jerald dirks is much better, hes a harvard minister grad!
Thank you so much for this upload. Most people trying to sell a book stay a bit vague on their tours. Bill Zuersher, on the other hand, lays it all out. He just sold another book!
This guy has just entered my pantheon of brilliant freethinking biblical historians, along with Bart Ehrman!
I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if Bart has ever heard of this guy and what he thinks of his take on Christological development.
Great Sunday atheism session today
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I think they're probably in agreement on all the main points. The difference is that Professor Ehrman has to walk on eggshells just to keep the KKK off his lawn and his students' parents off his back, since he teaches at a bible-belt university.
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You're joking right?
Ehrmann teaches at UNC-Chapel Hill a very left leaning university in a very left leaning town.
@@ohiostate4515 Just for the record, I gave a response that directly refuted the alleged absence of the KKK in NC and pointed out that university towns are often oases in seas of right-wing extremism, but it was censured by the alleged "Free-thinking" host, presumably because my comment was not sufficiently prudish, water-downed and slavishly conformist to a qualify as genuine "free thought"
It takes a person without religious bias to give it to you straight.
KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC Wow.... And I thought this video might attract the interest of critical thinkers, rather than dogmatists who believe: a) Truth is fully attainable and b) They are in possession of it.
I've met a lot of fundamentalist Christians who think that way too!
ehrman was honest about it as an agnostice Jerald dirks was honest about it as revert to Islam and ex minister and harvard graduate!
atheists built no civilizations, all Prophets peace and blessings on them were Muslims and Islam is the preserved faith so humanity as a whole testifies to Islam being true. judaism is organized racism and needs to feed and atheism is organized nothing and needs to be fed of off. they are opposite ends of the spectrum and religion is what balances between the devils racism and being an an aimless animal! evolution is a cancer science insult like cigarette being healthy. dna and rna are written like languages intel design is clear!
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 What a crap!!! you're very confused...
@KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC Making Annick's point for him.
What I like best about these atheistic videos is I get to think for myself. I'm a little rusty these days at 75 as a recent ex-christian, but it's really liberating nonetheless. Example: the book of Revelation states that the fearful will not be saved...hmmm This is of course the christian view, but if I decide to question this christian injunction - even though I will presumably go to a lake of eternal fire for doing so - I overcome my fear, i.e., give up the faith that promotes fear in the first place, and Christians are by definition full of fear of their god or they wouldn't be Christians. So, like I say, it's liberating, to me at least! And like one of our presidents once said during the Great Depression, the only thing to fear is fear itself.
Now learning about logos as the Greek word for Christ, this further set me thinking. I had always thought of Jesus as a really nice man who would save me if I made friends with him. I got this from Catholicism. However as I studied the bible through the years I saw it was much more complicated than that and actually kind of forbidding (to say the least). And all these new testament authors were just a bunch of deep thinkers trying to start up a new religion to increase their wealth and power. And Jesus was basically just an imaginary friend from my childhood I needed to grow out of. That's my personal testimony, folks.
As for truth, no one person can embody truth, despite what the bible says. We continually reach for it through science.
Good for you, it must be hard giving up your belief after holding it for such a large part of your life. I was lucky and began to doubt things from being around 11 and by my late teens knew my mind on it. (Also a catholic) However I still find the subject matter and the history of religions fascinating regardless of my own atheism. It is also a large part of the history of civilisations and culture.
@SuperDukka Emmanuel Macron is planning a new organization of 10-countries from north Africa, and east and west Europe. It will be "security" based and will have a military. So far, they are Morocco, Algeria, Albania and North Macedonia, and France with 5 more to be added. They are located in the area of the Old Roman Empire. North Macedonia will be included, because that's where ALEXANDER THE GREAT was from. BITCOIN will be their currency and the poor countries will quickly get rich. They'll be a voting block against ISRAEL at the United Nations. Macron's sole purpose is to work toward the annihilation of ISRAEL. Emmanuel Macron is the anti-Christ political leader. There are two other anti-Christs: 1.) the anti-Christ military leader, a traitorous Jew from the tribe of DAN and pedophile who is in Syria, per the Book of Daniel, chapter 8. This traitorous Jew is an army general in the rebel forces which are fighting against King Assad's military. The Book of Daniel says trouble for ISRAEL comes from "the north" and "far north" (Turkey); and 2.) the anti-Christ religious leader/false prophet who many believe is Rick Warren who wrote the unbiblical book, The Purpose Driven Life and whose son committed suicide. Note: SATAN is working the strongest through Rick Warren. If you go online to look up Rick Warren, you'll only hurt yourself. Please play gospel music that is anointed by THE HOLY SPIRIT to drive away demon spirits. I recommend the website SonLife Broadcasting Network.
@deadend Emmanuel Macron is planning a new organization of 10-countries from north Africa, and east and west Europe. It will be "security" based and will have a military. So far, they are Morocco, Algeria, Albania and North Macedonia, and France with 5 more to be added. They are located in the area of the Old Roman Empire. North Macedonia will be included, because that's where ALEXANDER THE GREAT was from. BITCOIN will be their currency and the poor countries will quickly get rich. They'll be a voting block against ISRAEL at the United Nations. Macron's sole purpose is to work toward the annihilation of ISRAEL. Emmanuel Macron is the anti-Christ political leader. There are two other anti-Christs: 1.) the anti-Christ military leader, a traitorous Jew from the tribe of DAN and pedophile who is in Syria, per the Book of Daniel, chapter 8. This traitorous Jew is an army general in the rebel forces which are fighting against King Assad's military. The Book of Daniel says trouble for ISRAEL comes from "the north" and "far north" (Turkey); and 2.) the anti-Christ religious leader/false prophet who many believe is Rick Warren who wrote the unbiblical book, The Purpose Driven Life and whose son committed suicide. Note: SATAN is working the strongest through Rick Warren. If you go online to look up Rick Warren, you'll only hurt yourself. Please play gospel music that is anointed by THE HOLY SPIRIT to drive away demon spirits. I recommend the website SonLife Broadcasting Network.
@SuperDukka Let's look at today. A WHO leader said, "The virus is stalking people." Oprah said, "Black people, the virus is coming for us." In the Old Testament, there were plagues that targeted specific groups, because they were steeped in sin. Statistically, if you see a black pregnant woman on the subway, she's on her way to have an abortion. This is giving your baby to the demon spirit, Molech. Also, if you worship false religion, you're at risk, such as Roman Catholicism. Covid is from Satan, because he's trying to stop the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ. If it were from God, billions would be dead over a few days. The vaccine for Covid will come out of ISRAEL, the nation will be a blessing to all.
@SuperDukka The first time the Christians as a group escaped death was in 70 A.D. during the Siege of Jerusalem where over 1 million Jews were slaughtered and the remaining people were made slaves. God ordained the siege, because the Christians were congregating in Jerusalem and not fulfilling the great commission. The Christians got word of a coming siege and they fled. The apostle Andrew went as far as the Urals, Russia. There is no record of any Christian being killed in the siege. Regarding Covid, Italy has a problem--their problem is called "Roman Catholicism", a false religion! The Lord Jesus said, "YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN." The Lord Jesus makes life worth living.
Great lecture and very well organized and delivered. thank you
@mocknewsBible says donkeys talk.
@mocknews According to the Bible he also had the power to enact genocide, mass murder of innocent infant boy children, child sex trafficking and slavery.
After a military victory over the Midianites, Moses is angry with his generals for bringing back too many prisoners. He responds:
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Numbers 31:17-18 - King James Version
Richard Carrier, Christopher Hitchens, et al move over. This guy is good and done his homework.
I'd say "make room"...
Well maybe not Hitchens, that weirdo fascist
The people that should hear this won’t listen, it will go straight over their heads.
Case in point :)
@Mark Woods
The demonstrating of the flaws in the arguments will go over the heads of skeptics.
Ohio State Depends on what you mean by flaws and skeptics.
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Grab a dictionary...
Ohio State Listen to what’s being said and neither one us will need a dictionary.
Very interesting and thought provoking presentation.
Hey! Not even the Italian mafia in America actually ever threated anyone's grandchildren. That is Yaweh's deal. The mafia had better ethics that He did.
everyone seems to have better ethics than the religious, i became atheist to be a better christian.
Even the Nazis only wanted to kill people not burn them for eternity
@9-11 is a Judeo PNAC inside job Wow. Just wow. What a bundle of racism and conspiracy.
Of course the mafia uses peoples grandchildren to blackmail them. You dont know what you are talking about. The simple reality is: When your parents mess up, you are not guilty but you have to suffer the consequences of that. When your mother drinks during pregnancy, you suffer the consequences. When your father inherits you nothing but debt, you suffer the consequences. At the same time, you benefit from good decisions that your parents made. Thats a simple reality. Atheists do not have any rights to complain at all about this. From an atheistic/materialistic perspective, people are just clumbs of cells without any intrinsic rights. If people have no rights, then God cannot mistreat people.
@@HarryNicNicholas You are objectively wrong. Religious people donate more money to charity and adopt more orphans than atheists. There are statistics about this.
I am a christian, but I really like his presentation. He is a professional and has an objective distance about him. Many atheistsplaners have an underlying hatred and anger toward christians and jews that is so unappealing. Great presentation no new ideas here it would be nice to have an old testament scholar dropping comments in from time to time.
You're way off base dude
It's Christianity & other abrahamic religions that have hate towards non-believers via the dogma, it isn't us who started, just responded. We don't have dogma stating that non-believers are sinful and destined to eternal doom.
@@mistletoe3343 A religious person off base? You don't say!
Incredibly clear & concise walk-through of how the whole Bible happened! Gets properly started at 04:27
I thought this was well done.
I liked the bit about the polytheism migrating to monotheism under the influence of Zarathustra.
I liked the bit about the whole logos thing coming in later and the mystery religion aspect and how Paul made it all up.
That puts it all into perspective.
One could see how after Paul brought in that mystery part, the church just ran with it, adding on stuff over the centuries, making it more and more complex and indecipherable on purpose, which is the real con behind the priesthood.
Paul was a genius. He made up the whole thing from his own personal vision, then took it out and told the tale to gentiles, a much larger body of prospective converts than the Jews. I'm sure the gentiles were relieved to learn they could keep their dicks intact and still be saved...something that prevented many from converting to Judism.
It's hard to understand how modern humans are still drawn to a religion that involves blood sacrifice at its core. It's so primitive and barbaric.
It's in our genes and subconscious mind.
We will eventually grow past the penal substitution barbarism.
are you speaking of the devilworshipping Jews and Catholics?
It’s an emotional crutch that they need for a meaningful life. As well as talking donkeys, snakes and bushes. A forgotten “fact” to this fairy tale. He so loves you, he died for you. We are reciprocal beings as are other monkeys and many animals, 'you scratch my back and l scratch yours'. Induces powerful reciprocal emotions on the gullible and vulnerable. But remember he is immortal, GOD! so can’t die!! ‘Oh he came down as a man’, they might say. bs, from day 1 he was god with his virgin birth, miracles, healings. Fairy tale also has an 800 yr old man build a ship that carries min 2 of every animal including your crocs, hyenas, tigers, poison dart frogs, snakes,,,,,,,,,, from every part of the world, have 100 yr old woman become pregnant, has a geocentric earth, where every star, planets revolve around us rather heliocentric fact, LEAVING PLANET EARTH A SPEC in huge vasteness of space, has bats classed as birds, whales as fish, has every human born in sin because all naive, all innocent ,adam and eve were left alone in a garden tempted to eat an apple by an all knowing, all evil talking snake, satan, who was given full access by the all 'all knowing', omnibenevolent god. who created satan? god himself. *FOREHEAD SMACK!!*
it'd be more 'loving' and 'justifiable' to hold ALL orientals responsible for the crimes of pol pot, his crimes occurred in recent history, for a few years in 70s and to hold ALL europeans responsble for the crimes of hitler, again in recent history. certainly the orientals and europeans would have more 'responsible' connection to those evil characters than to adam and eve fairy tale, who were 1000s of years ago and genetically far less related. you really have to sell your dignity, self respect, humanity to follow.
@@thenowchurch6419 "Penal substitution barbarism." Perfect phrase for it. Hopefully you're right that we'll one day grow beyond it, although judging from our present condition it might be awhile! LOL.
@@berryvwjnr6481 My point is not that those ancient people told literal stories and we are now smart enough to take them symbolically, but that they told them symbolically and we are now dumb enough to take them literally.”
Great presentation. Perspicuous and insightful. I'm so glad I found it.
Had to look up perspicuous. Thank for a new, good word.
Excellent lecture Thank you Bill
Religion is a great money spinner , it's been the way from day one . Man crates god , always been that way no matter what the religion or time .
So Christianity has nothing to do with what Christ said. It only has to do with what others said that Christ said. Right?
Addy F2p Absolutely!! Christianity makes complete logical sense, if it is understood in its historical context. It is Judaism 2.0 And until John came up with the brilliant strategy of inventing anti-Semitism, in a ploy to gain adherents, it might have remained a minor cult religion.
all religion is babble, i wish we didn't have to waste time rechecking babble.
@@HarryNicNicholas no atheists built no civilizations, all Prophets peace and blessings on them were Muslims and Islam is the preserved faith so humanity as a whole testifies to Islam being true. judaism is organized racism and needs to feed and atheism is organized nothing and needs to be fed of off. they are opposite ends of the spectrum and religion is what balances between the devils racism and being an an aimless animal! evolution is a cancer science insult like cigarette being healthy. dna and rna are written like languages intel design is clear!
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 Well, Harry Nicholas said all religion is babble and you came in and proved his point, LOL.
false sects like shia are judeo made FYI: Al least 75% of DNA information is junk. It doesn’t code protein or anything. To me that seems very different than a language. Even if ID was proven, it wouldn’t provide any support for a personal god like Allah or Jehovah. Just sayin’ Also Evolution is more beautiful to me than any book I’ve read. Peace
Nobody in my family is religious and when I got old enough to find out about people’s beliefs, I thought those people were lying because the stories were so absurd, contradictory, and ignorant. Preachers are the worst because they make a living off the big con.
Once you can believe the Bible, Creation and Jesus being resurrected you become a believer and can have the gifts of holy spirit.
One of the gifts is discernment that allows you to see the wheat from the tares.
@VideoAudioDisco09 I'll paraphrase you childish immaturity back to you: ounds like "if you can believe crazy it won't seem so crazy" - its the gift of gullibles who believe themselves evolved from monkeys.
Go swing through the trees and stop trolling your superior.
Rose White lets assume the whole fantasy story is true with talking snakes, donkeys, bushes, where earth is flat and in the middle of the universe with everything rotating around it, a 700 yr old man gathers two of every animal including poisonous dart frogs, snakes, 20 ft nile crocodiles, lions, wolves, hyenas, gazelle, zebras,,,,, around the globe to his watertight built ship that even today’s engineers would have impossible time constructing with todays tools. Predators and prey live there peacefully and cooperatively. “True”
100 yr old women gets pregnant and conceives healthy boy, bats are birds, whales are fish, ..... where being 'saved' means you have to hate your own family, Luke 14:26 'New International Version "If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their OWN life--such a person CANNOT be my disciple." You must learn to HATE every member of family, including yourself…minimum requirement to be a disciple, so loving!
bible is Bronze Age book, assembled and reassembled, translated and retranslated book of failure after failure by an “all knowing all mighty,” so wise! with the one screw up, adam and eve. now l am assuming you have a back bone and the morals and care of an average human. Now ask yourself, if an all loving, 'perfect' and 'all knowing' mother or father puts a tempting looking bomb in the room of 2 most naive little children, and tells them to be good & obedient and not touch it otherwise they will destroy everything, then leaves the bomb totally accessible to the unsupervised all naive children AND leaves door open AND gets an all knowing, all evil creation that god had “wisely” created himself. God knew Satan would enter the house to tempt the children to touch the bomb and the bomb goes off. Let me ask you again .........Who is responsible? the 2 young naive children who don’t even know anything between right and wrong or the ''perfect’’ parent? Take off your rose coloured jesus specs, you do have a back bone and morals right?
Rose White As well as talking donkeys, snakes and bushes. A forgotten “fact” to this fairy tale. He so loves you, he died for you. We are reciprocal beings as are other monkeys and many animals, 'you scratch my back and l scratch yours'. Induces powerful reciprocal emotions on the gullible and vulnerable who need this emotional crutch. But remember he is immortal, GOD! so can’t die!! ‘Oh he came down as a man’, they might say. bs, from day 1 he was god with his virgin birth, miracles, healings. Fairy tale also has an 800 yr old man build a ship that carries min 2 of every animal including your crocs, hyenas, tigers, poison dart frogs, snakes,,,,,,,,,, from every part of the world, have 100 yr old woman become pregnant, has a geocentric earth, where every star, planets revolve around us rather heliocentric fact, LEAVING PLANET EARTH A SPEC in huge vasteness of space, has bats classed as birds, whales as fish, has every human born in sin because all naive, all innocent ,adam and eve were left alone in a garden tempted to eat an apple by an all knowing, all evil talking snake, satan, who was given full access by the all 'all knowing', omnibenevolent god. who created satan? god himself. *FOREHEAD SMACK!!*
it'd be more 'loving' and 'justifiable' to hold ALL orientals responsible for the crimes of pol pot, his crimes occurred in recent history, for a few years in 70s and to hold ALL europeans responsble for the crimes of hitler, again in recent history. certainly the orientals and europeans would have more 'responsible' connection to those evil characters than to adam and eve fairy tale, who were 1000s of years ago and genetically far less related. you really have to sell your dignity, self respect, humanity to follow.
@@berryvwjnr6481 Oh dear, poor childishly ignorant Werryberry!
Satan really drives you doesn't he?
All this garbage you prattle is negated by your inability to understand that your god Satan has been ruling the world almost 6,000 years ever since he impersonated or materialised as a talking serpent and lied ot Eve.
The beginning of my steps towards atheist were when I read the Bible as a 10-12 year old. The first red flag was why would God have a favorite tribe? That makes no sense.
Dirk Knight no it doesn’t. You sound like a damn moron. God has a favorite group of people? Also why would God give us a book that doesn’t change, but we have to understand the culture of the time to make sense of it. And you have the nerve to say I’m not smart enough. You and your made up religion are a joke.
@Dirk Knight So god is big on politics? And you say lack of brains. You crack me up Dirkster. lol
What I noticed as a kid in church is that it seemed odd that the Hebrews kept losing faith in God even though he was winning battles for them every 5 minutes.
Amateur Overlord Difference between real reason for being an atheist versus justifying your lifestyle after you chose your path. You can come up with many reasons to make you feel good about your decision. Those are justifying after the fact.
If you dig further, you will see what is it you want that God is in the way of. It will always be a battle of the mind. Can run but truth always catches up.
Ben Lee lol “truth”.
OH MY GOD 49:32 was a lightbulb moment whoooaaaa baptised unto Christ's death and resurrection as an act of practicing your deity's victory.. It makes so much more sense
I learned that from Pocohantas. "What I love about rivers is you can't step in the same river twice. The waters always changing always flowing"
Pocahontas must have read her Heraclitus (544-483 B.C.): "No man ever steps into the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man."
@@HelmutWPesch-rk6ty neat .
@Helmut W. Pesch Or at least the *writer* for Pocohantas knew their pre-socratic philosophy.
Try Aristotle, he answered the paradox. Potentially is a part of reality generally ignored by fashionable materialism
I have a new person to follow. Thanks for a great lecture.
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Holy crap!
He nailed this SO hard.
I've never seen all this information broken down, and organized so thoroughly.
Very impressed.
Not to fall into confirmation bias, but it IS kind of gratifying to see that he and I came to near identical conclusions through our separate textual analysis.
No he didn't. You are too easily impressed my friend.
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LOL okay.
Well feel free to elucidate as to how he did not nail it.
Merely asserting "No he didn't" has zero explanatory power.
@Russ Gallagher Ah damn, I WISH I'd thought to make that pun.
@@hamo1701 That's the power of religious argumentation. It's like when I tell someone I'm an atheist and they quote something out of the Bible and I think, "I get that you believe that, but in what strange world do you think that even though I don't believe in your god I somehow think the people who wrote an ancient book about it are authoritative?"
@@nathanjasper512 Yeah, for real though.
Excellent presentation, now know this, Jesus is just us, meaning Jesus is a Allegory story about us, go within, your kingdom is within you, cause the creator is in you. smiles
Wow this is just one of the best lectures I've ever heard!!
I loved this presentation. I am going to look up more of his work. People like him, Carrier, Price and Fitzgerald have become my new heroes :)
9-11 is a Judeo PNAC inside job how can jesus be muslim when islams was found by a merchant 465 years later?
Thanks Yahweh
Carrier, Price? I remember WLC dismantling those morons.
@@TBOTSS Craig is a great debater but never defends Christianity per say he debates his one deistic point and refuses to defend his actual position as a believer. he can only shine in a formalized debate structure. He's very good at defending his theory that he's had for 30 years, but cannot and will not defend his stance as a believer in Jesus as god.
@@AnonymOus-dp3jj Do you the word Muslim means? It was an Arabic word, meaning: someone who summit himself to the will of God. Did Jesus not summit himself to the will of God?
@@joseacevedo8314 May be he doesn't want be look illogical, no one can defend Christianity as founded and preached by Paul without being illogical
What a fantastic lecture, thank you for posting.
Wow, I’ve seen so many presentations, hangouts, show on the Bible and this is one of the most comprehensive demonstrations of the issues with the Bible and Christianity. Very well done.
This is weak criticism and I expected more…
His first argument doesn’t take into account that the Hebrew would routinely use the Beth Essentia. This implies that when God revealed Himself as El Shaddai, he was revealing aspects of His nature that were relevant to Abraham at the time and sufficient for his belief. Later it was revealed to Moses fully the nature of God as YHWH. The Hebrew is hard to understand but definitely not as simple as this person wants us to believe.
For his point about making them in ‘our’ image, this is taken by some scholars as referring to the Trinity- I know what you’re thinking; 3 Gods! Nope lol. This is an improper understanding of the Trinity that is rampant among atheists and others alike. God referred to Himself as Elohim (plural Masculine tone) about 2500 times. Besides the Trinity (which is perfectly in line and coherent with the Christian view), Orthodox Jews iterate the idea of the majestic plural that was mentioned in the video and then very much so hand-waived. Once a character aspect has been named in a work, there is no need for the author to continue to use that aspect going forward because it’s assumed the reader understands this when reading on. I stopped at 46 min because I just couldn’t take the very weak arguments that only take a little bit of reading, exegesis, and scholarly work to understand. Disappointing. P.s. I fully expect atheists to come for time lol but I’ve heard it all before. The Truth is and will always be in God and of God. Ask yourself if you’re certain God doesn’t exist, if He does though, will your arguments be enough of an excuse for disbelief? Who knows. God bless.
I belive in a creator , but I do not believe in the evil , jelouse god of the bible . @@flavioa2252
The recording level on this video was so friggin' low that I could barely hear it. Your sound engineers really need to turn up the volume.
Audio is just fine for me.
Headphones for me
l cant hear it well either
Great lecture! It’s amazing that so many of us are beholden to fairy tales.
What moral values do you believe in if not in Christianity?
@@RedShnow Core principles that we define as important such as freedom, compassion, knowledge, etc. No dogma required.
@@guthrie_the_wizard you could simply reply 'reciprocity'.
@@RedShnow "What moral values do you believe in if not in Christianity?"
This has got to be the stupidest question ever. It takes a minute to make a mess but an hour to clean it up.
@@massimoqualsiasi3444 Some people can reciprocate cutting one another lol, but I know what you mean..a treat one another the way you want to be treated kind of rhetoric..no matter the derivative. A Golden Rule of sorts is best explained..some people even bring up the Platinum Rule which is a more modern conception.
I have seen the truth, my eyes are opened. I was blind but now I see. The con is exposed, the emperor clothes have been nicked. We are all free to do what the blazes we want. Just make sure you don’t get sprung
Fascinating talk! Thank you :)
Jerald dirks is much better, hes a harvard minister grad!
bad people do bad things, but to get good people to do bad things, you need RELIGION!
I recommend his book, "Seeing through Christianity". The discussion of the resurrection was excellent.
Thank you for recommending the book! I’m extremely interested in reading it.
The invention of Heaven and Hell was always on my list of "Top Ten List" of innovations made by Christianity that enabled it to far surpass its theological precursor, Judaism. I must say though that the idea that "punishment unto the third or fourth generation" served as a precursor to the notion of Hell was brilliant. It can't be a mere coincidence that a long-lived person from that period would have been alive long enough to actually see the third or fourth generation, and thus have to suffer the guilt of having caused them harm. (To give credit where credit is due, the notion of "guilt" as a manner of punishment is a theme that would continue to be developed and refined in Judaism. Christianity wisely got rid of it, which of course is why so many Christians are able to behave terribly, while feeling completely guilt-free.)
Your soul or new body in hell will burn, boil, fry, bake, bbq, sizzle, charbroil, roast, as you're screaming and burning with flames licking your ass and rotting forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever. Because a guy was born feeling gay . Or a teenager wanked his weiner. Because God is Love. See how the fear effect factor can work?! Subjugation of religious servitude duty by mental manipulation based on fear of the afterlife. Tactics of the angry god deity concept.
Ed McClucksky The fact that i’m laughing (out loud) as I’m reading your reply suggests that somehow the message is just not getting through to me. I suppose I might regret that some day?
...which reminds me of a favorite Gary Larson cartoon. Let me see if I can find it. Ah.... Here it is.
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@@MendTheWorld I can't tell if Ed is supporting or refuting.
But to your original comment, be mindful, christianity plays heavily on guilt! Everyone is a born sinner, and awful, and evil, and must seek forgiveness, and often!
It's psychological torture! But we might need several more decades before this reaches critical mass.
However, the religion is already showing signs of acquiescing, where some churches are even saying hell doesn't exist. So progress is happening slowly.
@@p.bamygdala2139 supporting.
Plus I read Richard Dawkins......"The God Delusion"
And if I didn't see it or witness it or undoubtedly with empiracle evidence to support faith then why should we believe it?
This is one of those lectures that makes you go, "How the hell did I not see that before?" At 31:00 the speaker rebuts the Christian identification of the serpent in Eden with Satan by pointing out that God punishes the snake, who, according to the Christian interpretation is merely a victim of identity theft, when the Lord should be going after Satan, the father of lies himself. Does God not know that Satan has entered into the serpent? God knows everything, right?
God couldn't even find Abam and Eve when they were hiding in the bushes.
Well God was angry at the snake for letting Satan possess it.:)
The whole first part of Genesis is clearly mythic.
When one attempts to read the Bible to understand Judaism and Christianity [in this case, the Old Testament], the most important thing do is: 1). Study by comparison of more than one translation; 2). Have a Strong’s Concordance at hand to establish the correct translation from original language; and 3). Read the text for what it actually says, not what you might have been taught that it says.
@@jimhughes1962 Then read some Mother goose and Brothers Grimm and a few of Aesop's Fables.
@Eric
You might find value in reading about the Gnostics, specifically the Sethians, who believed that 'Yahweh' was a trickster god (like Lokey) who created the world but was a jerk to it, and that Jesus was sent by the supreme high god to save the people.
Also, they believe that the serpent in Genesis was Jesus incarnate, trying to save humanity early on. Notice that the serpent never lied or deceived, he just showed Adam and Eve the path to wisdom, and understanding the difference between good and evil.
This guy is amazing. Subbed and belled. Thanks for the upload :)
Jesus Christ, He's making a lot of sense!
How do you punctuate that sentence?
paxmule, perhaps just a simple error? I see your name means “peace ass!”
@@suzybailey-koubti8342 EXACTLY!!!!
The fact that so many Americans believe the nonsense of christianity is staggering. The rest of advanced societies around the world dumped this crap around 100 years ago.
Whitninjathemovie i agree. American fundamentalists seem surrealistic creatures in Europe. They would be laughed at.
Zeal! Innocent people, who never heard of some god. And innocent animals. Innocent flowerseven, dude, come on....😂
@@koella2 Emmanuel Macron is planning a new organization of 10-countries from north Africa, and east and west Europe. It will be "security" based and will have a military. So far, they are Morocco, Algeria, Albania and North Macedonia, and France with 5 more to be added. They are located in the area of the Old Roman Empire. North Macedonia will be included, because that's where ALEXANDER THE GREAT was from. BITCOIN will be their currency and the poor countries will quickly get rich. They'll be a voting block against ISRAEL at the United Nations. Macron's sole purpose is to work toward the annihilation of ISRAEL. Emmanuel Macron is the anti-Christ political leader. There are two other anti-Christs: 1.) the anti-Christ military leader, a traitorous Jew from the tribe of DAN and pedophile who is in Syria, per the Book of Daniel, chapter 8. This traitorous Jew is an army general in the rebel forces which are fighting against King Assad's military. The Book of Daniel says trouble for ISRAEL comes from "the north" and "far north" (Turkey); and 2.) the anti-Christ religious leader/false prophet who many believe is Rick Warren who wrote the unbiblical book, The Purpose Driven Life and whose son committed suicide. Note: SATAN is working the strongest through Rick Warren. If you go online to look up Rick Warren, you'll only hurt yourself. Please play gospel music that is anointed by THE HOLY SPIRIT to drive away demon spirits. I recommend the website SonLife Broadcasting Network.
@Natturner Why do you yield your flesh to demon spirits? Right now, in the U.S. the air is dense with lasciviousness, concupiscence, and iniquity. Every person who voted for Obama was demon controlled. Most Democrats are like Nancy Pelosi--and openly demon possessed. About 2 years ago, Pelosi said at her press conference, "Abortion is holy."
@@susanleary1352 You sound completely unhinged. Like a batshit crazy church lady who sees demons everywhere around. Get a grip on reality bitch. That shit isn't real.
Mystery religions were based on the sun more than vegetative cycles. The book "The Jesus Mysteries" shows in depth how Christianity is just a Jewish retelling of pagan mystery religion
Heard a term that the early Israelites were Henotheistic; belief in one main god but accepted that there were others.
Interesting. Maybe some form of "absorbent kathenotheism" (not syncretism) would be appliccable. Take for instance the Israelites meeting with the Kennite tribe which resulted in their mountain god being adopted as a new higher form of understanding of God at the time.
@Ellen Francis 67Yes, but it adds the tribes sssociated with Rachel and Leah. Though the Kenite hypothesis is old and flawed, biblical research is often based on well-founded speculation. The question of the historicity of Moses complicates things further. No matter what the Midjan peoples believed in, I think it is safe to assume that the Israelites (the term Jews often used for the time after the Babylonian exile and/or destruction of the first temple) belief in Jahwe incorporated a stronger focus on their god as a mountain-, possibly even a volcanogod. The inclusion of the shrines of the patriarchs, the wargod-aspect of Sebaoth, agricultural Baal and citystate god carried this further. To say that the other Kanaanites merely invented their gods is underestimating the Israelites themselves. The very idea Israel signifies a struggle with divinity resulting in a continually changing idea of God. Armstrong, Bowker and Gardell mentions the kennites also, but the Kennite hypotesis is old and weary. I do not subscribe to it in total.
@Ellen Francis 67 I encourage you to be less pejurative in your replies. I am definetely not your sweetie. The historicity of Moses does not follow logically from the presence of a Jewish person. I can see that you position yourself as a pro-israelite with orthodox viewpoints. I am simply referring to research where such views are not neccessarily so evident. Try challenging those views instead by looking at the research yourself. You may be intrigued.
Elohim is the God we recognize from the Bible, walking with Adam&Eve etc in the Garden. However, I read a superficial book on Kabbalah. He is not supposed to be the main deity. It is kind of confusing. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing I know. It was very interesting, however, I could have understood it better if a person well versed in it explained it.
Ellen Francis 67 Do you know if this is regularly
gone over, discussed in regular services at a Synagogue, or is it just for scholars and intellectuals etc..
Weren't Paul's letters before 70 CE?
The Persian word 'šeytân' got into Persian through Islam via the Arabic 'šayṭān' that ultimately derives from 'satán' in Hebrew. It's a Hebrew loanword.
Excellent lecture! Excellent!!
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This is very well done and easily understandable for the average person, such as myself.
A great analysis of how Christianity developed into a major religion and likely the most important cultural phenomenon of the last 2 thousand years
very informative talk. it inspires me to further research.
Monev360 Yes, but I find some of the laughing in the audience somewhat distasteful. This lecture is about understanding religion, I hope, not ridiculing it. Maybe the border between knowledge, satire and ridicule is somewhat overlapping. The enthusiasm of the speaker may lead some in that direction, but I would rather it did not.
I think Richard Carrier is also a very good lecturer on these topics.
@@trondbirkeland8094 The topic is so dry that many lecturers with try to throw in a few humorous points or contradictions to keep the audience engaged. And fuck being polite! Respect people not there bad ideas or their beliefs.
What exactly do you have to research, religious mythological nonsense is just that, nonsense, delusions are not reality, no matter how hard you want them to be. You where not born with these ludicrous beliefs, they where indoctrinated into you, just like they where indoctrinated into those same people that indoctrinated you.
@@trondbirkeland8094 reading comprehension is essential and not your strength.
Very well-produced video!
This was an excellent presentation. My personal belief is what became what we know as Christianity (Gospel-based) was the 'Outer Mysteries' of a mystery religion that Paul espoused. The Outer Mysteries were the 'milk' of the religion - actually believing that Jesus was a living breathing human that walked around on earth. The Inner Mysteries (the 'meat') was that this was all invisible, supernatural, and spiritual; and that the Gospel stories were merely metaphors for what happened in a spiritual supernatural invisible realm. It would be too hard for new initiates/converts to grasp/believe in the 'meat' (since it is completely invisible and supernatural), so it is dressed up as a tale that actually happened on earth to help them internalize the key concepts.
So I would argue that all the Jewish/Canaanite stuff was just the mythological backstory to support what was really a Graeco-Roman mystery phenomenon (essentially placing more emphasis on the last influence in his key slide).
Later Christians decided that this 'milk' was in fact eternal truth and left behind the deeper metaphorical foundation.
I like the teachings of Richard Rohr and the Centre for Action and Contemplation
This is an excellent historical review of the evolution of the two expressions of the Abrahamic faith. Ironically, this very same subject matter (i.e. the drift from polytheism through henotheism and eventually to monotheism) was part of the core curriculum at the seminary from which I graduated. We were also taught that Moses was a mythic pastiche of over thirty Midianite heroic sagas and that the exodus was an extravagant work of fiction intended to legitimize the rule of a once landless (that is: Hibaru) people. Yes, Zoroastrianism greatly influenced rabbinic Judaism, especially the Pharisees. Zoroastrianism imparted the concept of final judgement and a generalized notion of "afterlife" to Judaism and Xstianity.
@VideoAudioDisco09 Greetings from the northern hemisphere! I want to take this opportunity to answer your question. Please do not misconstrue my remarks as an attempt to proselytize. I'm not here to troll. I'm here, because I find the presentations to be fascinating.
The historical critical method is taught not as an exercise in apologetics, but rather as a way to bridge the hermeneutical gap (i.e. the cultural and historical differences that prevent us from understanding the text). While the application of scientific method and literary criticism to "holy writ" is troubling for many seminarians, I find it to be quite invigorating. However, I realize that I am not the average parish pastor. Years of teaching comparative religion, my background in philosophy, and participation in interfaith dialogue place me at odds with many of my fellow coreligionists.
While some may view historical critical method and the religious practices to be at odds, I like to understand them as being locked in a dialectic. The ancient Greeks understood the complementarity of Logos and Mythos. Logos (logic) and Mythos (mythological narrative) are not mutually exclusive; they are complementary. Logos creates artificial intelligence and Mythos helps us to understand its meaning. While I teach scripture using historical critical method, I will present the narrative in mythic form during worship. However, I do not confuse Logos and Mythos (e.g. I will never promote a creationist / literal interpretation of the two and a half creation myths found in Genesis). Perhaps this approach can best be explained by Joseph Campbell's quote, "If you treat myth literally, you pervert it; if you ignore myth, truth sneaks out the back door."
In my opinion, religion becomes a toxic liability to society when it seeks to promote its Mythos over Logos.
Cheers,
George
@VideoAudioDisco09 You are exactly right. Mythology, when misapplied, can easily be used to harm humanity as opposed to enriching humanity. That is especially true here in the United States.
@@rev.georgeschneider4763 thank you for sharing. I hope you will give a public talk some day like the speaker in this video.
Personally, I'd love to 'peak behind the curtain' and get a Cole's Notes of what is taught in seminary.
Wow! I've never seen a believer admit the origins and syncretism of the Abrahamic religion. This comment is 2 years old, so I was wondering where your faith is now? You've likely reasoned that there was no original sin...so you can see where this is going.
This was an excellent presentation.✌🏼
Great talk; interesting subject. Too bad the volume wasn’t higher; made it hard to fully take in.
Interesting. It almost has enough volume to listen through, but I'm missing too much. I typically mostly listen, not watching. It’s a little clearer if viewing the video part, which is excellent. Wish it were louder.
Wow, I remember me in the process of leaving Christianity that I stumbled upon Zoroastrian and how it preceded Abrahamic religions. How they introduced dualism, afterlife, good vs evil etc and I couldn’t help but think that those in exile were heavily influenced by it. Judaism seemed to have adopted it, then gave it to Christianity.
This video walks you down the road so simply and straight forward. This guy is amazing.
Maybe you shouldn't have left. Look up "THE CRUCIFIX FISH - WHAT THE CRUCIFIX FISH REVEALS"
@@brisadelcastillo2840 What does it reveal?
@@TrisjensChronicles1203 The crucifix fish depicts the crucifixion and the resurrection. However, that doesn't mean everything else in "Christianity" is true.
@@brisadelcastillo2840 Let me ask you this, can a woman get pregnant without a man in sexual intercourse?
Incredibly well presented
I love the idea that the creator evolved.
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And Olive Oyl is the sister of Caster Oyl
@@tedgrant2 it sure is
Haven't come across this guy before , but he's very 'Ehrman' in his thinking. Not a criticism, merely an observation. I love Bart Ehrman,
Stephen Taylforth Beg to differ. IMHO, Ehrman burns the candle at both ends. He's brilliant guy, and extremely learned, but keeps at least his toe, if not his entire right foot, immersed in his faithful past.
This guy does a much better job than Ehrman
Absolutely!
@9-11 is a Judeo PNAC inside job
I'm curious... how does one determine that a certain academic is "better" than another?
What is your criteria? What is your evaluation method? What are your metrics?
Have you accounted for any possible bias in your process?
Are you referring to number of publications, H-index, or number of PhDs confirred?
Can you share your proposed ranking system so that others can perform the test themselves to confirm your results and conclusions?
Also, I offer my condolences that your esteemed mentor passed away last year.
And a free tip: you might want to consider changing your screen name to something less inflammatory and judgmental if you want others to take you seriously and respect what you have to say. Otherwise they might have their guard up and be less open to your ideas.
@@p.bamygdala2139 No surprise: Jerald Dirks is the author of a very pro-Muslim theistic book entitled "Understanding Islam". I don't mean to make a sweeping generalization but there are lots of Islamic extremists who try to instrumentalize atheist studies on youtube to extract the anti-Christian and (especially) anti-Jewish elements, while completely missing the main point: they are arguing against the existence of any god, including "Allah"!
This is such a boss lecture! Please share it and consider purchasing Bill’s book (I did - it’s great).
Sometimes I feel like my Sunday School teacher didn’t have her facts straight.
Can you even have facts with religion?
Ya reckon?
She was just parroting what she was indoctrinated with. This is what religions/cults do.
@@jfphotography69 Yup, most people of faith have been indoctrinated during childhood..so tragic, as most will live their entire lives dedicated to the delusion. Humanity is whack..
I wish church was like this. I would go.
Find a skeptic group by you, there are more atheist around you than you realize!
Good luck, Person I don't know, I have struggled thru my de-conversion , and look for people! It helps!
@@MrRussiancoma thanks
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Jeepers! Golly! Gosh! This was well done :)
If only more Christians could watch this, sadly he only 'preaches to the converted'. Very interesting talk Mr Zuersher.
Here are some Christians and Scholars at the same time:)) He puts many proper Arguments.... but is still very one sided... IT is Not that simple,If you really study the issue AS Profi !!! Read Arthur Peacocke, Ian Barbur If you really want to meet real Profi researchers!
@@smartspiritsergzh9892 Peacocke was an Anglican, so I'll take what he say's with a very large pinch of salt. Barbur is another Christian trying to bridge the impossible, religion and science, I find it galling that they use mediums such as a computer, telephone to spout their views as we all know if we left it up to religion we would still by living in the bronze age a best, as their precious book commands, yes lets live life in ignorance like a goat herder 6 thousand years ago.
@@fredshred5194 Very naiv View:) They are prominent Scientists and Profis in at least both fields. Yes take it with a large pinch of salt, but just try to read without prejudice and apriory set of mind... And you will see actually what IT IS. Another man is Hadly (Hedly) Bruck (History of Science)! Many people are very naiv about development of the History of the Interaction of these fields...
@@smartspiritsergzh9892 prejudice, is not a word I'd use, how about logic, to achieve any scientific progress ones has to suspend a belief in any of the Gods and religious belief. Your choice of religion all depends on your parents and where you are born.
Religion and a God has no place in science, at may have been in the long ago past but that's because religions kept the masses ignorant, only priests ect.. could read and write so yes obviously they would be in the position to discover new things and ideas. But even then they got into trouble for their new ideas, the earth goes around the sun is just one example. The less grip religion has an society the quicker science progresses. Take the dark ages and islam as examples. So I confirm again if we submitted to man made religions we'd still be burning witches and new ideas ect... I take it you must be religious because only someone who did would try spout this illogical garbage .
Thanks for this excellent talk. I learned a lot, and almost all of it makes me glad I chose the atheist path in 1969.
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@@miguelchippsinteligente6072 And what would that something be?
Just bought the book on Kindle ($2.99). Wonderful presentation Bill. Thank you, Sir. Oh, to go back in time and see all this as it happened. It'd be a hell of a screenplay.
CAN"T HEAR IT!!!
Yea… had to turn volume up to 150% by raising PulseAudio's maximum volume for my SeaMonkey web browser (you can do that with GNU+Linux+Plasma5 easily). Good presentation by Bill, otherwise. Cheers!
Say what?
Awesome lecture. Waves from Mobile, Alabama
OUR EFFORTS ENDAVORING TO UNDERSTAND BTONZE AGE EPISTIMOLOGIES IS LAUDABLE !
HOWEVER, INE WE READ AND SEE THE ABURDITIES , NONSENSE AND FABLES WHICH ARE PATENTLY OBVIOUS IN SUCH CALLED HOLY BOOKS ? , IT IS ASTONISHING THAT SO MANY COUNTLESS MILLIONS CONTINUE TO RELEGATE AND ORGANIZE THEIR LIVES AROUND SUCH NONSENSE !
These BILLIONS* have been indoctrinated, most during childhood
Insightful look at how religion was constructed.. thanks for the knowledge you imparted on this subject..
One of the best videos I've ever seen .
Why don't you say why so??/
People who obeyed will be saved!
People who disobeyed will be lost!
This is one of the best biblical criticism lectures I've seen in a while! Totally kicks @$$!!! 👍 And I'm buying his book!
Great lecture! A major step toward stamping down about 5000 years of contrivance about Abrahamic religion. Hooray!!
.. in answer to the man's question at 1:16, Exodus was probly writ after the release from Babylon.. the Bible was writ then, probly by Ezra The Scribe, and Nehemiah.. we know this because the Book Of Maccabee's tells us that Nehemiah formed a library after the release from Captivity.. the Book Of Maccabee's is not in most Bibles, but is in some.. Maccabee's was left out because it is clearly historical, and is not considered spiritual, not Divinely inspired, but it does mention Nehemiah's founding of a library of scriptures, about 400 BC.. this is probly the version of OT that was later translated into Greek and became known as 'Septuagint'.. probly...
And so if Trump sets up a library in 2020 all books in the library would have been written by authors in Trumps era?
@@tabe412 ..Abraham.. the Bible was probly writ by Ezra The Scribe, after the release from the Captivity.. Jerusalem was sacked, the temple destroyed, the Jews taken into captivity, in 589 BC, by the Babylonians.. it is reasonable to assume that whatever writing the Jews had at that time was also destroyed, and the Bible tells us that after the captivity, about 50 yrs later, Ezra collected together stories of ancient Israel.. Ezra wrote ancient Hebrew Mythology, not history.. Adam and Eve, the Flood, Exodus, and even the story of Moses, all Myth, probly.. there may be some history in Chronicles and Judges, probly not all is myth.. but we can be fairly certain that Ezra wrote the Bible, about 500BC .. the Scriptures were again destroyed, scattered, during the Maccabean Revolt, and later again, a new library was formed, after that disastrous war.. this is what the Books Of Maccabee's tells us..
@@GARYWERSLEY your case is built on what you yourself call a "reasonable assumption". Let me rest my case there. Even if Ezra was the scribe the writing need not have all been conceived by him. If you have read the old testament the evidence for that is all there to see.
@@tabe412 ..Abraham.. it is reasonable to assume that during the Captivity there was a Jewish oral tradition, and it was this that Ezra The Scribe wrote down.. we know that Moses never wrote any of the Bible.. the OT, same as the gospels, same as the Koran too, all writ some time after the events they relate, and in most cases, writers unknown.. but we can actually place Ezra as the writer/compiler of the OT, at about that time, after the release from Captivity, thanks to the writers of Maccabee's.. probly...
@@GARYWERSLEY I've been curious for a while now as to who wrote what during the Babylonian captivity, and how it was brought back to Judea. Ibe been meaning to do some research into the Arionide (sp?) family.
Do you have any recommended scholarly authors I could look up who have written on your hypothesis of a specific scribe authoring the OT? Thanks!
Thanks Bill :)
I feel like ANYONE could watch this and see the truth of this
You may not believe it ALL, but there is more than enough evidence to rethink this
Wonderful presentation. How come most of the audience are elderly? Quite surprising
Dr. Bill' even though i am rough on you; I still do appreciate the study and work you do, you are spot on in many of your idea's and proofs!
Thanks you so much
The baptism was mushroom therapy, that's why they saw visions. The temple was a mystery school, the menorah is the Sephira tree and every synagogue had zodiacs, what else could they be?
Millions start religions. Most gather just a handful of followers. Nothing unique about the Jews. A roman emperor made that crap a state religion. New sects are ten a penny. Most got butchered by the dominant cult.
@Steve You're quite an idiot, aren't you?
Depends on who does the comparison. You have no argument. All you have is a claim, and that got rejected. Millions of drug users talk about their drug induced delusions. And millions got murdered for it. That's undisputed history, you moron! Roman state religion got enforced by means of lethal violence. That's undisputed history. Europe broke free when they failed for the first time in 1648. That was the start of modern civilization based on individual civil rights. To that date they exterminated whatever challenged their stupid ideas. That's undisputed history.
@Steve
All priest craft are charlatans & magicians and all the religions are smoke & mirrors...a belief system based on an imaginary tulpa (and satan is an egregore). There's nothing unique about the Jews, they got their myths from previous empires, about solar movements and constellations the same as Egypt and Greece and India and Persia etc. it's about charting a calendar for agriculture and navigation using astronomy and sharing it as mythical characters (constellations) until it was written down and foolishly taken as literal facts by the uneducated superstitious. (what nonsense). The facts are there is no archeological evidence for any temple, exodus, etc. and no one apparently knows exactly where the so called Jews came from, even their history is fiction. As for the Christians, there exists no record of their most famous man who ever lived and died and shook up the city of Jerusalem with earthquakes and miracles, none of which is documented by any historian of the time, nada, zilch, zip!
Flavius Josephus is not credible, his writings contain the fiction of the seven miracles, one being of a cow giving birth to a lamb.
The so called biblical text is full of interpolations, forgeries, etc. geographical errors, and absurdities. The chiastic structure gives it away even in Paul's so-called epistles, half of which scholars deem to be forgeries as well.
@Steve It may have been the use of mushrooms as John Allegro talks about or it may just be the kundalini experience...the majority of gospel writers were gnostics, they spoke of having revelations...did you even read my reply? No comment to anything in that?
It is astonishing to me the groundswell of non-rheist material that is becoming available. This is a remarkable change from not so long ago when The vast majority were intimidated against voicing their views in public. it is true that most Christians will neither watch, nor be persuaded by these videos.... it is a distinct improvement over the cowed silence many of us faced when we struggled with “coming out”
Chicken Church is in my town!
what town is that?
its on Madiera beach Florida right across the canal from St Petersburg@@mikefixac
The talking snake is a just-so story to explain why snakes do not have legs.
in those days people sat around the fire and told each other stories
Very informative
great job on the audio, can't even hear it
Because your phone sucks
If you put playback on 1.75, he sounds like Doc from Back to the Future
As someone who came to philosophy through the rise of the New Atheist movement, It's funny to me now looking at how hollow and simplistic these critiques really are. They are good critiques of more fundamentalist ways of reading the bible but I get the sense that most people who find this type of argument compelling have never read or encountered anyone who takes a more metaphysically sophisticated way of looking at the Bible.
It's sort of bizarre to me how confidently so many people (my former self included) speak about "beliefs" and "belief systems" as if science has already arrived at some kind of solid understanding of how these things function on a psychological level, and that people who see the world this way seem not to recognize how shallow these explanations are when it comes to explaining how humans make everyday decisions about what they want in life and how they are going to go about it. I used to talk and think this way myself all the time back when I was in the more strident phase of my exploration of reason, science, faith, ethics, worldviews, etc.
Keep exploring and keep an open mind. The mysteries of this world are not so easily papered over by a simplistic rationality as often presented by those who often claim to be reason's defender.
The problem is that people who are Christian tend not to read the bible in a metaphysically sophisticated way. If they did they wouldn’t be Christian. Jordan Peterson talks about the story of Christ bearing his cross as a message that we all should bear our own burdens. I can read that kind of meaning into Tolkien or JK Rowling. It doesn’t mean Aragorn or Ron Weasley are, or ever were, more than just fictional characters.
Whilst the stories of a global flood, the fall, the exodus, the gospel etc. might have all been knowingly written by authors as allegories or fables, they are not viewed that way by most of the billion Christians around the world.
The defenders of reason never claim to have an answer to all the mysteries. They just debunk the hogwash of the religious and say that some mysteries of old are explained by science. The mistake people like you make is to think that we claim that science can answer everything. We do not make this claim. Science has it's limits.
@@Glasstable2011 I think we are in disagreement about what it means to read with metaphysical depth. To me the question is not whether people think it's 'just an allegory.' The question is whether or not people recognize the truth value within the stories at all. In the modern era I would say that the vast majority of theists read the Bible with far more metaphysical depth than most atheists, who in my experience tend want to read it almost exclusively as a historical/scientific document. Granting that Peterson has changed this somewhat. The problem with conservative or fundamentalist readings of the Bible is not that they lack metaphysical depth. It's that they also want to give it historical and scientific credibility.
The depth of the Bible's message is substantially more than just 'bearing our own burdens.' Peterson has gone far beyond just that in just his Biblical lecture series and he only just made it through Genesis! Not only that but, most of this conversation is focused solely on the Bible itself, but a tremendous amount of work has also been done elaborating on the symbolic framework contained in the Christian story by later Christian writers, especially those in the eastern orthodox tradition, most of which atheists tend to be completely unfamiliar with.
I'm a huge fan of both Tolkien and Rowling but neither of those stories has even close to the level of metaphysical complexity that the Christian tradition does. There's no Sermon On The Mount or Book Of Job in Tolkien. Not only that but neither of those stories could have even been written without the benefit of the Christian tradition. Tolkien was himself deeply Christian and acknowledged very openly that he borrowed heavily from the mythological structure of Christianity in the story of middle-earth.
Also, it's worth noting that Peterson is not the only voice in the academic world who's bothered to take the Bible more seriously. He's far less well known but Rene Girard has written extensively about this subject in ways that anyone who is a fan of Peterson would likely find very interesting. While it's become very commonly accepted to say that the Bible is just another set of mythological tropes, Girard's interpretation uses an anthropological analysis of ritual sacrifice in mythology to show how the Bible is actually much more historically unique than is generally recognized. He was able to show that upon careful reading the Biblical stories are actually complete deconstructions of the mythic motifs that proceeded them, and that rather than merely copying those tropes it actually completely subverts them in key ways. For this reason he called Christianity "the end of mythology" or "anti-mythology."
@@Blackadder75 I don't see where I claimed that all it's supporters think it explains everything.
My problem isn't that people are too confident in science, although I do think some are. My problem is that so many people who lack any real familiarity with the religious traditions they criticize feel justified in dismissing it all as 'hogwash' simply because they can read it in the least sophisticated way possible and then pretend that's the only way it's possible to see it. Then they'll have the arrogance to claim to be doing so on grounds of defending science and reason.
Garrett Fuls you mentioned the book of Job which interests me as I find it one of the more repellant books of the bible. I’m wondering what metaphysical depth there is in that book beyond the literal interpretation?
Wow one of the best presentation ive seen great job
[El-Shaddai --> Yahweh] Found in the old testament scriptures: kodesh.snunit.k12.il/i/t/t0206.htm (2 - 3 ).
Now, why would the all knowing god need to present herself by a different name over time, if not for the evolution of the faith system ?!
Gilad Pachter Jesus himself during his ministry presented himself with multiple names when asked who he was: The truth, the way, I Am. Both God and Jesus changed people’s name. Simon became Peter. Abraham was Abram. Of course, God changed Jacob to Israel. Name changing is consistent with the message.
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This makes no sense. The name "Yahweh" is not even descriptive. That's just a means of trying to rectify inconsistencies retroactively.
@@giladpachter4546 well said!
PLEASE fix the audio. It needs to be louder. Thanks!
All of this was helpful to me except his dismissal of the first three of Paul's arguments which I think have much more merit than he assigns. Overall, though, thoughtful, knowledgeable, useful and well organized. Kudos and thanks.
Fuck Paul and all these goat herding clowns.
Who the fuck is Paul exactly, another snake oil salesman BS artist.
Ruminator - Who is this Paul? He is that guy who never need Jesus nor had the slightest idea what some preacher he never meet spoke.
58:46 yes, the undefinable source (monad) brought into existence the living waters of the great feminine creative impulse which birthed the logos (F/M/S)...But things don't get interesting until Sophia acts...
Well done presentation. Nothing really new here, though. Much of this is Religion 101 and well known outside the more exclusive churches. Karen Armstrong has a good book on this topic. The juxtaposition of stages with invasions and conquest is simple and elegant, though. This lecture neglects an even earlier stage, a more tribal and nomadic sticks and stones-cult where the chiefs have their own personal god to do business with. This predates even the more general Canaanite polytheism.
I also would have enjoyed if the speaker could have taken us all the way back to the bronze age with the god of war, the god of metallurgy, and the god Yah in Egypt and Nubia.
Maybe there's a follow-up lecture somewhere on TH-cam.
I would have loved to hear this but the sound was too low
Wow , the more I listen to this to glean what I glazed over the first few times because he got me thinking about a point he’d just made etc... the more I appreciate the considered and well researched and reasoned objective points he makes. He also covers a huge scope of the entire history, drawing it together coherently for an average person. Clear, quick moving presentation, clearly thought out, meets its objective without being too intellectually aloof or smug. I’ll have more please , lots more 😎👍
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