A co-worker learned I was an atheist and told me I need to read the bible. I had to explain I'm an Atheist because I have read the bible, not because I haven't. I remember being 5 or 6 years old pointing out contradictions and things that didn't make sense in bible study. I was basically asked to keep my mouth shut or not comeback. This seems to be very common with religious people, you aren't allowed to question anything in the bible no matter how well meaning.
Mark Nagel A coworker who has known me for years overheard me say, I’m an Atheist. She came straight away to me and said, Paul! Did you say, you’re an Atheist? I replied, Yes, of course. How’s that possible? You’re such a generous and kind person, you can’t be an ATHEIST!!! I assured her Atheists are no different than theists. She said, well I don’t know anything about those theists, but Atheists are Devil worshippers. I let out a laugh and as I walked away I said I don’t believe in the devil either Cathy. We’ve gone from a kind smile and good morning to her avoiding eye contact. It is what it is.
I was raised Catholic and went to church Christmas Eve once a year. We had a bible which collected dust and God forbid writing it that's sacrilegious! On August 1st 1985, after a series of events led to my salvation, I asked God in my room if he was real and that certain scriptures to be saved were almost to good to be true. August 9th I went to a Baptist church and was baptized August 9th and radically changed. I have since then heard God audibly once and it was right on, had a vision or saw something before it came to pass. Anyway, you believe evolution made us?
That was EXACTLY my story as a child. I was "kicked out" of Catholic Sunday school for asking tough questions and pointing out contradictions. Best day of my life!
I had a very similar experience at the age of 8, when I asked a question in Sunday school (which was never answered), and immediately after that class, a big, red-faced deacon took me into an empty room and pushed me against the wall, leaned down to get in my face and said, "You believe what we TELL you to believe, and stop asking stupid questions!" I was, of course, intimidated at the time, but I never forgot it, and it was what began my journey away from christianity.
Freedom from religion is right. Once you finally start thinking rationally and use critical thinking to question things you were told not to question, you finally free yourself from the mental prison religious people put themselves in
We were all indoctrinated as soon as we were born, but then you grow up, and study and learn, and some of us even go to college and are taught how to think critically. (Why the American public education system waits until college to teach student about logic and critical thinking is beyond me.). Its like when. you were a child and you believed in Santa Clause, but then you slowly figure it out... that that was all bullshit, but for fun. Those of us that have the aptitude, capacity and integrity to be honest with ourselves and not want to be deluded by myth, finally realize end up at deprogramming. where you realize everything you were ever told was a big fat lie, and that the truth is wayyyyy more wondrous and weird. Congrats on breaking thru the indoctrination, life is way more sweeter on this side.
"Believers" always know what their "God" is thinking. They know full well, their "God's" opinion on any given subject. And we know why: Because every "God" is a human invention, and needs to be constantly defended by his human inventors.
if the Christian God is an invention then the 'inventors' aren't really smart, creating a God that says we are not worthy, we are to die for ourselves and that no human can save himself, lol. The Bible states the truth, not some ideology created by humans, otherwise humanity would be differently portrayed and other expectations from humanity would be stated. The people would be rather in the centre, as in other religions, and it would be said that we can safe ourselves by being good. Yeah, that sounds like something a human being makes up. But the Bible says we're totally deprived and we should receive God's grace by abandoning our own, egocentric lives. That is not convenient or somehow helpful so that a man could have written it... Bible 'contradictions' come up mainly due to poor Bible reading or skipping the context. Be blessed
My former pastor claims that there are no contradictions in the bible. When I challenged him on the subject he became irritated and wanted to end the conversation. Of course he denounced me for tempting god. He told me to repent because "without faith it is impossible to please him (god)." Hebrews 11:6 Fundamentalist Christians are afraid of intellectual honesty because they believe that they might open themselves up to Satan. They are closed-minded as a way of insulating themselves from temptation. Doubt is a sure way to hell in their world. Questioning authority is rebellion and rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft (1Samuel 15:23) and witches go to hell. The fear of Hell is a motivating factor in not considering opposing views. Its amazing that I was able to break free from such mental bondage. Religious indoctrination is powerful. I'm glad there is a growing atheist community on TH-cam who are fighting the good fight of unbelief.
I had a similar experience but with my mom and nana. I was born Christian in a Christian family. Until I was around 15 and started asking about the logic in the Bible but I always hear the same response "everything has a reason". Because if the verses make sense then it should be logical
That's what cults do (& Christianity is one of them). They _never_ want to hear the truth because it doesn't fit within their narrative. I even tried explaining the flaws of Christianity to my mother, but she doesn't want to hear it. And sometimes, she brings up about me wanting to go back to her church, even though I outgrew churches & Christianity two years ago due to the COVID pandemic. And I'm 40 now.
I used to be extremely religious ever since I can remember. I’m atheist now, I’ve never felt more sure of what comes after death and more importantly: free.
Amazing how religion people can miraculously tell what parts of the bible are literal and which are metaphorical. And how they don't all agree, but they all know they're right. I wish I had that special expert ability.
DLF YO SOY - You are hero. These TV shows from the 70s also take so long to get to the point. I wonder how the video quality is so good for something made before I was born. /sarcasm
My 7 year old son ask his teachers who was GODS father. The school called me and told me what he said. I asked the principal "what did you tell my son" the principal replied and said "I told him to ask his dad to Google it" I took him out of the Catholic school as few days later. It was his Bible thumping Koolaid drinking mother who put him there.
Firstable I want to say how grateful I'm for people like you. I'm a Guatemalan 47 years old, born in a catholic poor family, all my childhood was surrounded by religious materials, I went to church very often, I was hearing the words God, Jesus, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit , Mary mother of God, Glory, heaven, Hell, Angels etc. many times every day, I was baptized when I was 4 years old, I confessed my supposedly sins many times intended to get internal peace. In my adulthood I also preached to a group on young people. I felt goosebumps as many of you, I experienced all those feelings believers feel, but later on during my adulthood I started questioning if what I was doing was right?. Because like most of you, when I prayed also crying suffering because my own problems, my own need of spiritual wisdom to deal with my insecurities, because others pain, others poverty, others illness, others being abused, others being humiliated, others sadness because they lost a healthy young child and me willing to do any on their favor, etc. etc. I didn't get any answer from the god I trusted, the god I was taught was good enough better than any terrestrial good father. It is not easy to get rid off those traumas when you were born in a religious home. Because I went through an internal war . The war my brain was fighting itself. Even though I had on all my scope the truth, the trauma fought my brain and made me suffer even more than the long time I was praying asking for answers. During my sleeping time I went true such nightmares, but after a period of years of pain finally peace came. And now I'm free. I want to tell to anyone willing to be free, that we don't need such literate atheists instruct us about the matter. No we don't need it. Enought we have with our daily basis, observe what happens in the scope in front of us.. Also read the bible, because the same bible will say, that it is fooling us. It is sad to see, how millions are deceived by their own thought.
my friend, your story is my story as it is with so many others...you're to be commended for your courage and honesty...and yes, you truly are free as I am also...live free my friend...you're not alone; you have a lot of support.
This is why i don’t bother to argue with religious people anymore because it is deliberate ignorance and it makes me angry. I do however defend my non belief and walk away.
@@OneJohnFiveTwelve After 50 years of hearing conservative Christians' lack of interest in dialogue, I decided that there has been such a monologue by them in the U.S. that I would just put my 2 cents in whether there was going to be dialogue or not. It's an especially good thing to do when there are other people standing around (or sitting) because then the Christian dogmatist might not listen but someone might.
I have experienced the same thing. I agree with you that it is very frustrating and I just got to the point of believe what you want regardless. I just don’t care anymore. If you can’t reason and be logical than believe what you want. It’s a battle we cannot win.
@@michaelnewell6385the problem is that you ignore context and basic reading comprehension, cherry pick verses and label them contradictions while ignoring aforementioned context, then claim to be logical and rational.
Christian defense mechanism #1 - When all else fails, say everything's an allegory and not meant to be taken literally (even though their entire argument is based on taking the Bible literally).
Well that's exactly right. We have to read the bible literally 95% of the time for it to have meaning, then when there is a contradiction, we get lectured that we are reading it superficially.
I think biblical literalism became a thing after the so called Reformation among some protestant groups. Things were more fluid before. The language of the scripture is poetic often after all. Revelation is a masterpiece, if you can read it in the original language. Song of songs has elements from Egyptian love poetry.
If I were to use any book as a guideline of how to live my life, I would want zero contradictions, but religious people have a tendency to gloss over any contradictions and cherry pick what they believe to be divine truth and then preach it to others.
Thank you! Like the Sodom and Gomorrah story that has been used for centuries to subconsciously justify contempt and hatred of homosexuals through subjective ( and therefore, unfair and invalid) comparison. The fact that the " righteous daughters" in the story effectually raped their own father in order to procreate is not considered any type of perversion? Or that this " righteous man" offered his own daughters to a mob of men to be raped was not considered immoral.
I don’t understand how anyone can claim to be Christian without studying the bible-and once one does, how they don’t see the contradictions, how they can be okay with a story that doesn’t make any sense. It’s madness.
There are no real contradictions in the Bible. Only perceived ones from people that don’t know how to discern it. It has to be taken by faith before it will make sense. The natural man receiveth not the things of the spirit of God
I don’t understand how they can quote Bible verses and Jesus, claim the 10 commandments are still valid and yet ignore all the clear laws and commandments that Christians enforced for over 1500 years. If I was a Christian I’d be putting homosexuals to the sword, burning witches, killing anyone who worked on the sabbath or disrespected and/or preached something that didn’t line up with what my priest taught. The “Christians” that do live by some of the clothing and dietary laws of Leviticus and then ignore the parts about killing homosexuals, witches, and all the others too many list baffle me even more. It’s obvious that it’s man made and they’re willing to change and adapt it if not completely cherry pick and ignore parts they just don’t agree with.
@@dpeon242thank you! Another contradiction : we are toled that salvation is a gift that cannot be earned. But many of Jesus's parables clearly contradict this idea.
That is why translations into country languages of the bible were not allowed by the Catholic church of the past. So much more people were then able to critically read the translated bible.
Bill Maher has it better: "I was raised Catholic, we went to church, I believed in God, until something very important happened in my life: I graduated 6th grade!"
Show off. I was 48 years old before it Occurred to meThat there was no god simply because. I would look at my children and knew there was nothing that they could ever do that I would condemn them to hell for eternity. Conclusion I am better than God conclusion there is no God except that which we create so now when I sneeze I say Gary bless you or when something outrageous happens I will say oh myself. If I’m going to create a God I might as well be it.
My favourite contradiction is the story of Moses. God does various acts to get the pharaoh to let the Israelites go. Then after the pharaoh lets them go god makes him change his mind to go and recapture them. If he could change the pharaohs mind then why not just do that in the first place?
The Bible is incoherent. More and more I think it’s such a waste of time to let religion rent space in my brain when I can spend that time actually learning something real about life.
Every time I've had to admit I had been a fool (veganism being my biggest), I've had to come to the realization myself, in private. I aspire to, one day, be presented with some combination of evidence and argument by someone, and realize and admit, in real time, with an audience, that I was wrong.
Or how in Gen. 27 it says that God created Man and Woman at the same time. But you go to Gen. 2:4 and all of a sudden there is no woman and they have to take her out of a Rib, lol 😂!
Thank you so much for making your videos! They show me that I am not, in fact, crazy for not believing that my family's religion is a lie. Too bad I have to hide the fact that I'm watching this from my parents, though.
Most of the 10 commandments was copied from the “ Book of the Dead “ from Kemmet (Egypt) ; and, the Holy Family was fashioned after Asar, Auset, and Heru. The Flood was copied from the tale of Gilgamesh. I’m still researching.
Yes, I saw a documentary-can’t remember what it was called but, it showed that almost all of the stories in the Bible were repeats of stories from Zeus and all of the other gods before Jesus. And those stories were a lot of times exact replicas of what happened. Such as the resurrection of Jesus that has happened probably 5 to 8 times in other god stories.
Xtianity and other Abrahamic religions are just recycled ancient Egyptian, Greek, Persian, Babylonian and Levantine myths and legends. The greatest con ever.
The genealogy of Jesus is absurd. Matthew has 41 generations from David and Luke has 56 generations, but they only have 18 names in common in their list. This is such a contradiction that it throws the whole work into question.
This is the case with pretty much every single scripture existing today. What happened with Bible and Koran due the religion treating them as scriptures is that due to there being a centralised religious authority, they created one standard version of it and destroyed the rest.
Yeah, I'm kind of proud to be from Jersey, but we do have a lot of morons here also, but not nearly as many as in the South the north and western parts of the USA. That's my summary. I humbly think I am more Moralistic than the churchgoers. Honest to god!
I especially appreciate the framers of yeh New Jersey state constitution, who in those times had categorically made the provisions to ensure church and state totally separate from one another.
I just love your presentation of contradictions in the Bible. Personally I call the Bible “The Believer’s Contradictionary to The Mythical Story of God”. Keep up the good work folks!
One BIG contradiction is when Elijah 'ascended up to heaven..'(2 Kings chapter 2) Later Jesus said, 'No man has ascended to heaven but he who descended from heaven...'
Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and *_create evil:_* I the Lord do all these things." don't you have to be evil to create evil?
Trouble with discussing the bible or any religious text is basically like preaching to the choir. Discussing it with religious individuals is a lot more fun, when they get stuck trying to defend any of the numerious controdictions. I love discussing the book of johova with the johova witness's that come around. I simply ask question using their book which I've read frorm cover to cover as I have with all Cristian, Jewish and Islamic text. They generally get stuck and will ask if I mind if they send their supiour to discuss it and never actuall send one.
I never (or rarely) bring up the topic of religion with people in my life. The last thing I want to do is seem like I'm preaching. But if someone else asks me about it, I'm an open book. I wish debating religious folk was a bigger part of my life
Oh I so agree and I understand the want and need to have to have people to talk to. Where I live is the HIGHEST number of churches per capita in the entirety of my country!
"Paul said, "God is not the author of confusion," And like much of the Bible, it also says the opposite: "Therefore the name of the city was Babel-because there the Lord confused the language of the entire earth; and from that place the Lord scattered and dispersed them over the surface of all the earth." ~~ Genesis 11:9 My favorite contradiction is this one telling you how to respond to a fool: Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him ...and one sentence later... Proverbs 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. .
The one that stands out to me the most is Christ's own mis-prediction of his second coming when he told his audience that he would return during the lifetimes of those listening to him.
I think this supposed deity is a model for politicians, say it both ways, bury it in a whole load of other stuff and then dig it out when it suits the cause.
@@blain20_ serpent is just another word for snake. Even if it doesn't say snake, it's definitely a talking animal and not Satan as Christian apologists try to pretend it says.
Really appreciate the popular outspoken atheists like Matt Dillahunty, Sam Harris, Seth Andrews and Dawkins, but the FFRF is out there (not so quietly)doing the big work challenging religion’s violations violations of the country’s foundation.
First thing I thought of when they started discussing the legal proceedings, and began scrolling the coments, to see if anyone had brought up the subject. Although I am probably guilty of double standards, as I am from the UK, and don't think it inappropriate that public funds should be used to assist the maintenance of cathedrals or village parish churches of historic, architectural or artistic importance, providing those buildings are open to the general public. But then I see or hear nothing remotely historic, architectural or artistic about the creationist Ark. encounter.
@@christopherseton-smith7404 interesting. I am in the UK too, and despise that public funds are wasted on those archaic, temples of pain and suffering. Public money should be used to help the public, not wasted just because you think a building is pretty
Great video, thanks for sharing. I don't except the Lord's statement of _"don't think I came to bring peace"_ as a contradiction. When I *was* a churchified, churched up, church member I started asking legitimate questions about inconsistencies in our church practices and beliefs. I wasn't getting honest answers in fact there was one minister who would start shouting _"mark them that cause division, mark them that cause division!"_ I didn't intend to cause division. So I think I understand why the Lord said he brought a sword of devision. However, that doesn't explain away the semi trailer load of inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible, let alone church.
The contradictions we see in the Bible.....had they been found in another book claiming to be the word of God, we would have used them as evidence to discredit that book. Why then should we give the Bible a pass? It is disingenuous, at best, for us to be that uneven in how we judge books on their credibility.
I’m a 13-year-old atheist and sometimes I get nervous when Christians tell me that I’m going to Hell. What if I actually do go to Hell? I get nervous thinking about that sometimes. Can somebody debunk Jesus coming back for me?
I can't debunk Jesus, since the burden of proof is on Christianity to back up itself. But hey, I understand the feeling. I felt like that for awhile after deconverting. Look at it this way. Christians tell you about the hell they believe in, but they also happen to not believe in the thousands of other hells of other religions. They just happen to have been convinced of one. I just came to realize, that they all are on equal footing. None of theme make logical sense, or have any evidence to back their existence. If someone says that to you again, ask them if they worry about all the other hells. I'm sure they don't believe in other hells. So there you go, you just happen to not believe in theirs too.
@@apersonontheinternet8354 well said, and also to the op, think if you are scared of the Christian hell, or even Christian, you certainly won’t be scared of the Muslim hell, or the Greek pagan hell, watch from this same channel their interview with Ron Reagan he says the same point. You already aren’t scared of and don’t believe in numerous hells, you just need to go one further. And remember you aren’t the one making the claim that Jesus came back to life, you don’t need to prove he didn’t come back until it’s proven that he did. Right now I don’t know if Jesus came back or not, I don’t think he did because it goes against what we know, and I haven’t seen any reliable evidence presented to support he did resurrect, so until I’m given a reason to believe I’m not going to and I’m not going to waste time being scared of consequences for not believing that same thing.
Just realise that everyone is going to Hell if it exists, because not enough rebuking Cretans or greeting each other with kiss and other weird new testament commands. If a Christian tells you this just ask why they didn't try to kiss you before knowing you are an Atheist as God commands.
FFRF thank you so much. I’m an African and I’ve asked myself these questions since infancy but my Christian home couldn’t answer them. I’m free from religion now and many Africans need to be free too please contact me and let me start this movement in Africa I’m ever ready.
Religion and christianity has been proven to be the catalyst to enslave black africans. The usage of the bible to enslave black skins is not a coincidence. It was a deliberate and systematic institution condone by all the Christian's bishops and popes. If you ever wonder why you should never follow christianity and any other fairytale religions. You should look what the slave master used against you. They use the "Black codes of 1724" to put slave into a indoctrination and subservient mindset. As a strong people, we need to break the mental shackles of Jesus, Allah, Noah and all other weapons used against us. We must awaken to our docile brainwashing and lies perpurtrated by colonizers and slave masters.
Great! My religion is simply serving humanity. For my first 20-something years, I was a devout but tortured Christian. I now consider myself Taoist. I see “God” in everything.
I do appreciate it when people who were "professional" theists give insight into the ways that they would square certain things, or purposely avoid certain problematic issues. It's fantastically illuminating, and very helpful for someone who has never been religious, to gain understanding from someone who is willingly sharing the thought processes they'd employ to reconcile the irreconcilable.
So why do pictures, paintings, and any type of rendering of Adam and Eve in the garden of eden show them having belly buttons? They weren’t born by a woman….were they?
Nigel Davenport because the God of the Bible is and has always been a evil blood thirsty maniac that loves to kill steal and destroy everything and anyone who comes into contact with him or her! In other words God is the Devil!🤮
The reason you are watching it and why you were pulled to this channel is because you already have questions and you want to logically hear what others have to say about the idioms of the Bible; which is what all people should be doing anyway... that’s what research is about.
I agree. It's about time we tax religious organizations like other businesses. At the very least, religious organizations should be treated like other non-profits, and their books should be open for public scrutiny. Current laws make religious organizations the perfect way to launder money.
Good for Andrew Seidel and the FFRF! Why should our taxpayer's dollars *have to* go toward the repair and/or maintenance of a church, synagogue, mosque, etc.?
This happens also in Philippines, when our local government gave money for the establishment of a church. They even ask me to spare some amount. But i refused, no way i would help them. I am a lonely atheist here in the Philippines south - Mindanao.
@@interpretingscripture8068 The money you work for comes from the government. So when you donate to your church government money is involved. There's no way around it.
I don't know about other church denominations, but as an ex-catholic, I'm profoundly aware that THEY have tons of cash stashed away in Rome; apparently enough to support the pope in rather kingly splendor..
In talking about DNA , something that I have never understood is: If Adam and Eve were God's only human creation, that means that we are all products of incest, if that is the case then why do we all have different DNA ?
And then think, he had Adam and even and things built up, and then he set the slate back again on just Noah’s family, so two huge genetic bottlenecks within a few generations relative to evolution time. Gross to think about
As a Christian theist, I actually really appreciate the work that you are doing and have made donations. The state has no business supporting any religion whatsoever and, in fact, I may say you have a lot of work to do in terms of eliminating the charitable contribution deduction for any religion as well as the real estate property tax exemption for any church. Therefore, God willing (🤔😁), I will make another donation!!
Aside from the contradictions there is zero evidence that any supernatural claims made in the bible are true. That alone should be reason enough to not have faith
Yup and there are a ton of supernatural shit in the Bible taking snakes talking donkeys and giants I mean do you think Christians actually believe that
I appreciate the points being made. I am a Christian and believe the major points of the Bible. God did not dictate word for word the Bible. He used people to document and record events. It should not be surprising that minor errors occur. Two people seeing the same event will have different perspectives and notice different details and even elaborate some details, but the fact that the event happened is still true. The major theme of the Bible is that humanity is corrupt and needs to be saved. God provided that salvation through Jesus. All you have to do is trust Jesus for the salvation God has provided. I do not think any sane person can look at the world we live in and the people who live in it (including yourself) and not admit that there is something fundamentally wrong with our nature.
"Two people seeing the same event will have different perspectives and notice different details and even elaborate some details, but the fact that the event happened is still true. " Except we have no idea who wrote the gospels. They weren't written by witnesses. They have been translated over and over after being told by word of mouth for years. You can find people alive today who will tell you about their having been abducted by aliens. Will you believe them? That is not as fantastic a claim as the resurrection.
I like the song “freedom from religion”. I realized in my deepest being that there was no such thing as a god.I had a profound experience at 10 years old that nature was all there is in the material world.There is no deep mystery filled with control of thinking nor judgements.In nature there is no judgement, simple and pure in it’s make up.There is no journey for everything is complete and thus we are also complete.We have just forgotten that we have all knowledge ,but religions do no want us to know to maintain power over us.I was aware of the game decades ago, and don’t buy into the retoric.
The trouble I have is that the Israelites must have believed in the existence of other gods because they so frequently ended up worshipping them too. God therefore must have failed to explain to them that these other gods didn’t actually exist? The Bible just calls them foreign and not fake. And God talks about attacking foreign gods and making them ‘ashamed’, etc. How can a made-up god feel shame? If the Israelites didn’t know that the other gods weren’t real then it seems to be because their god didn’t know they weren’t real. Which would suggest ....
Susie Ambrose Yes, I saw a documentary-can’t remember what it was called but, it showed that almost all of the stories in the Bible were repeats of stories from Zeus and all of the other gods before Jesus. And those stories were a lot of times exact replicas of what happened. Such as the resurrection of Jesus that has happened probably 5 to 8 times in other god stories.
good job guys, you have no idea what my people suffered and continue to suffer under the partnership of church and state. I am Thundercloud, a survivor of theocracy!
Magnificent discussion. Pretty much everything I've ever thought about the Bible and beyond, only with far more knowledge of the original texts thanks to these three.
16:30, exactly. Read Luke 1, where he describes how he put together his writings....from many sources, investigated by him. There are mistakes, no doubt. But the question is : does the content help or hinder mankind. I personally feel it helps.
Hearing voices or whispers is some times, a game of the brain, a mistake of the sensation of hearing.... But when this happens very often, is a serious mental disorder....
That's so cool. I just got through speaking about Dan Barker in a comment on AronRa's TH-cam video channel. I didn't know FFRF was a thing. Thank you Dan for all you do.
I'm a pastor of a church and I completely agree that the public tax payer should never be asked to provide tax dollars for the support of the church. Any church that petitions the government, on any level, for financial support.
As I debate a lot of hard core christians, I need a book that lists all the contradictions in the bible, separating OT and NT so I can have a quick look. I'm sure there is such a book, Can you please recommend one.
Hey there! If you are still searching I recommend "The Skeptic's Annotated Bible" by Steve Wells. You can also find the 558 marked contradictions listed on their website www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/number.html Each item on the list links to a short article on the contradiction, which is very handy. This online list, however, is not divided in OT and NT, but you can look up the chapters, which are divided in old and new T, on the homepage www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/index.htm The book and website also list ridiculous and horrendous things in the bible and explain things very well. I've used it several times now.
even though this video is old, it's timely for me. i'm currently watching 'colonial house' on youtube - essentially a 'reality' show about a bunch of 21st century people who pretend to be from 1628... it's basically more a social experiment wrapped around horrible camping trip. but the 'leader' of this thing is a preacher from texas - his reason for being there was to understand the people that came to america to 'escape religious persecution'... then spends all his efforts trying to force non-believes to show up at his sermons every sunday. he does finally 'see the light' though, so credit to him. i get that 400 years ago, or 1000 years ago or pick a time, the church was a huge part of everyone's life... people were ignorant, science was the 'bad guy' because it disproved most of what the church said, and waving eternal damnation and threat of getting burned at the stake is a great way to control people... much like today - keep them stupid and scared and you OWN them. don't get me wrong, i'm happy for people that have this 'thing' that seems to make them happy - but it's a choice, not a necessity... if having a pet is still considered a luxury, even with it's proven positive benefits, then religion should be considered a luxury - and taxed appropriately. simply because something has been around for a long time, and lots of people do it (like slavery), doesn't make it 'right'.
Love you people! Congratulations on your legal victory! The world needs more people like you. ...The bible contradictions you discussed are huge. Can't believe Christians are still 2000 years later wrapping their brains up in knots trying to explain them. Used to do that myself, and now it seems so irrational and even rather crazy.
I try to talk with family about the Bible just trying to learn and they tell me I’m crazy I’m falling away from etc but in reality I’m the only one actually trying to read the Bible they don’t ugh it’s aggravating
Over the years both christians and muslims have managed to manufacture "explanations" for the contradictions in their books. Their strategy is once you create reasonal doubt of a contradiction it is no longer a contradiction.
These sessions are great! Please keep them coming. They are like getting a bottle of water (i.e., rationality) while wandering in a desert (of religiosity).
Good work, guys. I wonder if the explanation for the numeric discrepancies, though, is due to their inferior number system. They hadn’t started using 0, for instance, which we take very much for granted these days to give us an accurate account of the scale of a thing, but without zero you only have context to go on
One thing that strikes me is that in the synoptic gospels it says the road to eternal life is very narrow and the road to destruction (hell) is very wide. And yet in johns gospel Jesus says his fathers house has MANY mansions.
Here's one that has been bugging me for years and years: if Adam and Eve were the first and only humans on earth and they had sons, how did they go to other vilages to marry? Where in the world did these villages and people appear from? No one could answer this simple question.
Easy answer. Look at how long they lived before they died. Hundreds of years. Plenty of time to have tons of kids. Pay particular attention to what Cain says in Genesis 4:14 he says every one who finds me will slay me. If no one knew who he was then why would he be worried about people slaying him. If no one knew who he was he has nothing to fear. If they were All related to him he would have everything to fear.
A co-worker learned I was an atheist and told me I need to read the bible. I had to explain I'm an Atheist because I have read the bible, not because I haven't. I remember being 5 or 6 years old pointing out contradictions and things that didn't make sense in bible study. I was basically asked to keep my mouth shut or not comeback. This seems to be very common with religious people, you aren't allowed to question anything in the bible no matter how well meaning.
Mark Nagel A coworker who has known me for years overheard me say, I’m an Atheist. She came straight away to me and said, Paul! Did you say, you’re an Atheist? I replied, Yes, of course. How’s that possible? You’re such a generous and kind person, you can’t be an ATHEIST!!! I assured her Atheists are no different than theists. She said, well I don’t know anything about those theists, but Atheists are Devil worshippers. I let out a laugh and as I walked away I said I don’t believe in the devil either Cathy. We’ve gone from a kind smile and good morning to her avoiding eye contact. It is what it is.
Mark Nagel one of the biggest de converters out there is the bible and having actually read that horrible thing.
I was raised Catholic and went to church Christmas Eve once a year. We had a bible which collected dust and God forbid writing it that's sacrilegious! On August 1st 1985, after a series of events led to my salvation, I asked God in my room if he was real and that certain scriptures to be saved were almost to good to be true. August 9th I went to a Baptist church and was baptized August 9th and radically changed. I have since then heard God audibly once and it was right on, had a vision or saw something before it came to pass. Anyway, you believe evolution made us?
That was EXACTLY my story as a child. I was "kicked out" of Catholic Sunday school for asking tough questions and pointing out contradictions. Best day of my life!
I had a very similar experience at the age of 8, when I asked a question in Sunday school (which was never answered), and immediately after that class, a big, red-faced deacon took me into an empty room and pushed me against the wall, leaned down to get in my face and said, "You believe what we TELL you to believe, and stop asking stupid questions!" I was, of course, intimidated at the time, but I never forgot it, and it was what began my journey away from christianity.
Freedom from religion is right. Once you finally start thinking rationally and use critical thinking to question things you were told not to question, you finally free yourself from the mental prison religious people put themselves in
We were all indoctrinated as soon as we were born, but then you grow up, and study and learn, and some of us even go to college and are taught how to think critically. (Why the American public education system waits until college to teach student about logic and critical thinking is beyond me.). Its like when. you were a child and you believed in Santa Clause, but then you slowly figure it out... that that was all bullshit, but for fun. Those of us that have the aptitude, capacity and integrity to be honest with ourselves and not want to be deluded by myth, finally realize end up at deprogramming. where you realize everything you were ever told was a big fat lie, and that the truth is wayyyyy more wondrous and weird. Congrats on breaking thru the indoctrination, life is way more sweeter on this side.
As a child is was catholisized, guilt and shame galore!
God had a son who’s soul was white as snow, every where his son would go, the devil would surely show. By god.
"Believers" always know what their "God" is thinking. They know full well, their "God's" opinion on any given subject. And we know why: Because every "God" is a human invention, and needs to be constantly defended by his human inventors.
Love this comment
if the Christian God is an invention then the 'inventors' aren't really smart, creating a God that says we are not worthy, we are to die for ourselves and that no human can save himself, lol. The Bible states the truth, not some ideology created by humans, otherwise humanity would be differently portrayed and other expectations from humanity would be stated. The people would be rather in the centre, as in other religions, and it would be said that we can safe ourselves by being good. Yeah, that sounds like something a human being makes up. But the Bible says we're totally deprived and we should receive God's grace by abandoning our own, egocentric lives. That is not convenient or somehow helpful so that a man could have written it...
Bible 'contradictions' come up mainly due to poor Bible reading or skipping the context.
Be blessed
"God is love"
Must be the biggest one, practically the whole bible contradicts it.
George Carlin said- God is a jealous, vengeful God that will throw you into a lake of fire for ever and ever if you sin, but loves you very much
...and needs your money!
He was violent killed innocent people and lied
My former pastor claims that there are no contradictions in the bible.
When I challenged him on the subject he became irritated and wanted to end the conversation. Of course he denounced me for tempting god. He told me to repent because "without faith it is impossible to please him (god)." Hebrews 11:6
Fundamentalist Christians are afraid of intellectual honesty because they believe that they might open themselves up to Satan. They are closed-minded as a way of insulating themselves from temptation. Doubt is a sure way to hell in their world. Questioning authority is rebellion and rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft (1Samuel 15:23) and witches go to hell.
The fear of Hell is a motivating factor in not considering opposing views. Its amazing that I was able to break free from such mental bondage. Religious indoctrination is powerful.
I'm glad there is a growing atheist community on TH-cam who are fighting the good fight of unbelief.
I had a similar experience but with my mom and nana. I was born Christian in a Christian family. Until I was around 15 and started asking about the logic in the Bible but I always hear the same response "everything has a reason". Because if the verses make sense then it should be logical
That's what cults do (& Christianity is one of them). They _never_ want to hear the truth because it doesn't fit within their narrative.
I even tried explaining the flaws of Christianity to my mother, but she doesn't want to hear it. And sometimes, she brings up about me wanting to go back to her church, even though I outgrew churches & Christianity two years ago due to the COVID pandemic. And I'm 40 now.
@@WizardOfWor exactly,
I outgrew it in 1998, never never looked back
@@danhuang4641nobody is born Christian
People should free themselves from the shackles of Christianity and religion in general.
I used to be extremely religious ever since I can remember. I’m atheist now, I’ve never felt more sure of what comes after death and more importantly: free.
I agree 100%
Yes, but Xtianity is the worst religion ever invented.
A good friend of mine uses the 'that part is poetry, it's not supposed to be taken literally' anytime something doesn't make sense to him.
Amazing how religion people can miraculously tell what parts of the bible are literal and which are metaphorical. And how they don't all agree, but they all know they're right. I wish I had that special expert ability.
@@BrianBattlescan you list some specific examples?
I'm confused, do you think it has to be either all literal or all metaphorical?
It is like the 'get out of jail' card in Monopoly game. No arguments needed. 😂😂😂😂
Contradictions start at 6:19
DLF YO SOY - You are hero. These TV shows from the 70s also take so long to get to the point. I wonder how the video quality is so good for something made before I was born. /sarcasm
No it starts at exactly 7:26
Thanks!
The hero we need but dont deserve
Thank you
My 7 year old son ask his teachers who was GODS father.
The school called me and told me what he said.
I asked the principal "what did you tell my son" the principal replied and said "I told him to ask his dad to Google it"
I took him out of the Catholic school as few days later. It was his Bible thumping Koolaid drinking mother who put him there.
Firstable I want to say how grateful I'm for people like you.
I'm a Guatemalan 47 years old, born in a catholic poor family, all my childhood was surrounded by religious materials, I went to church very often, I was hearing the words God, Jesus, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit , Mary mother of God, Glory, heaven, Hell, Angels etc. many times every day, I was baptized when I was 4 years old, I confessed my supposedly sins many times intended to get internal peace.
In my adulthood I also preached to a group on young people.
I felt goosebumps as many of you, I experienced all those feelings believers feel, but later on during my adulthood I started questioning if what I was doing was right?.
Because like most of you, when I prayed also crying suffering because my own problems, my own need of spiritual wisdom to deal with my insecurities, because others pain, others poverty, others illness, others being abused, others being humiliated, others sadness because they lost a healthy young child and me willing to do any on their favor, etc. etc. I didn't get any answer from the god I trusted, the god I was taught was good enough better than any terrestrial good father.
It is not easy to get rid off those traumas when you were born in a religious home.
Because I went through an internal war .
The war my brain was fighting itself.
Even though I had on all my scope the truth, the trauma fought my brain and made me suffer even more than the long time I was praying asking for answers.
During my sleeping time I went true such nightmares, but after a period of years of pain finally peace came.
And now I'm free.
I want to tell to anyone willing to be free, that we don't need such literate atheists instruct us about the matter.
No we don't need it.
Enought we have with our daily basis, observe what happens in the scope in front of us..
Also read the bible, because the same bible will say, that it is fooling us.
It is sad to see, how millions are deceived by their own thought.
Wow, I can image it was especially hard leaving the Catholic church in Latin America! Way to go! Mark
my friend, your story is my story as it is with so many others...you're to be commended for your courage and honesty...and yes, you truly are free as I am also...live free my friend...you're not alone; you have a lot of support.
This is why i don’t bother to argue with religious people anymore because it is deliberate ignorance and it makes me angry. I do however defend my non belief and walk away.
Angie, that's known as "cut and run".
@@OneJohnFiveTwelve After 50 years of hearing conservative Christians' lack of interest in dialogue, I decided that there has been such a monologue by them in the U.S. that I would just put my 2 cents in whether there was going to be dialogue or not. It's an especially good thing to do when there are other people standing around (or sitting) because then the Christian dogmatist might not listen but someone might.
" God said it,I believe it, that settles it " ! One could go quite far with all of the things that " god said"! 😄 🤣 😂 😆
I have experienced the same thing. I agree with you that it is very frustrating and I just got to the point of believe what you want regardless. I just don’t care anymore. If you can’t reason and be logical than believe what you want. It’s a battle we cannot win.
@@michaelnewell6385the problem is that you ignore context and basic reading comprehension, cherry pick verses and label them contradictions while ignoring aforementioned context, then claim to be logical and rational.
I'm so glad I'm no longer Christian, I finally started seeing everything that was wrong with it
Same here. Wonderful relief.
Good job 👏 Zane that shit has all been proven wrong
"They went out from us for they were not of us. If they had been of us they would have remained with us.'
@@exposingfalseteacherreneer6821
No True Scotsman logical fallacy
Who cares about any contradictions in any bible when it all is created by man.
The trouble is we know so many people think God wrote it. You know, with his huge pen in the sky.
Christian defense mechanism #1 - When all else fails, say everything's an allegory and not meant to be taken literally (even though their entire argument is based on taking the Bible literally).
Well that's exactly right. We have to read the bible literally 95% of the time for it to have meaning, then when there is a contradiction, we get lectured that we are reading it superficially.
I think biblical literalism became a thing after the so called Reformation among some protestant groups. Things were more fluid before. The language of the scripture is poetic often after all. Revelation is a masterpiece, if you can read it in the original language.
Song of songs has elements from Egyptian love poetry.
Don’t forget that old classic: “But you’re taking it out of context.”
I mean they go looking for pieces of the Ark?!?!
Or that claim, "you have a spirit."
If I were to use any book as a guideline of how to live my life, I would want zero contradictions, but religious people have a tendency to gloss over any contradictions and cherry pick what they believe to be divine truth and then preach it to others.
Thank you! Like the Sodom and Gomorrah story that has been used for centuries to subconsciously justify contempt and hatred of homosexuals through subjective ( and therefore, unfair and invalid) comparison. The fact that the " righteous daughters" in the story effectually raped their own father in order to procreate is not considered any type of perversion? Or that this " righteous man" offered his own daughters to a mob of men to be raped was not considered immoral.
Reading the Bible in context removes quite easily any appearance of contradiction. It's when you cherry pick verses that it appears to contradict.
"Belief is meaningless to all but the believer. Knowledge is meaningfull and available to all"
GeoDen This is a great quote and I’m stealing it! Who is the source?
Thank you! You do open eyes for truth for many people.
I don’t understand how anyone can claim to be Christian without studying the bible-and once one does, how they don’t see the contradictions, how they can be okay with a story that doesn’t make any sense. It’s madness.
There are no real contradictions in the Bible. Only perceived ones from people that don’t know how to discern it. It has to be taken by faith before it will make sense. The natural man receiveth not the things of the spirit of God
I don’t understand how they can quote Bible verses and Jesus, claim the 10 commandments are still valid and yet ignore all the clear laws and commandments that Christians enforced for over 1500 years.
If I was a Christian I’d be putting homosexuals to the sword, burning witches, killing anyone who worked on the sabbath or disrespected and/or preached something that didn’t line up with what my priest taught.
The “Christians” that do live by some of the clothing and dietary laws of Leviticus and then ignore the parts about killing homosexuals, witches, and all the others too many list baffle me even more. It’s obvious that it’s man made and they’re willing to change and adapt it if not completely cherry pick and ignore parts they just don’t agree with.
@@jeremysadler516 Translation: you have to be gullible and abandon all critical thinking smh.
@@dpeon242thank you! Another contradiction : we are toled that salvation is a gift that cannot be earned. But many of Jesus's parables clearly contradict this idea.
That is why translations into country languages of the bible were not allowed by the Catholic church of the past.
So much more people were then able to critically read the translated bible.
No government/ state funds should support a religious purpose.
I agree 100%, also I would like to add that as long as they are given tax exempt status that is exactly what is being done.
I was religious for 13 years untill I turned 13 years old!
Bill Maher has it better: "I was raised Catholic, we went to church, I believed in God, until something very important happened in my life: I graduated 6th grade!"
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So, you came out of the womb with a bible in hand?
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Show off. I was 48 years old before it Occurred to meThat there was no god simply because. I would look at my children and knew there was nothing that they could ever do that I would condemn them to hell for eternity. Conclusion I am better than God conclusion there is no God except that which we create so now when I sneeze I say Gary bless you or when something outrageous happens I will say oh myself. If I’m going to create a God I might as well be it.
My favourite contradiction is the story of Moses. God does various acts to get the pharaoh to let the Israelites go. Then after the pharaoh lets them go god makes him change his mind to go and recapture them.
If he could change the pharaohs mind then why not just do that in the first place?
Because people who made that story up had to do that in order to keep the myth of "Jewish slavery in Egypt" alive.
Can you show me that in the Bible
@@wewa7329
Story of Moses in exodus.
God let pharaoh be pharaoh .....he had free will. God did make him change his mind. Pharaoh was free to do what he wanted to do.
The Bible is incoherent. More and more I think it’s such a waste of time to let religion rent space in my brain when I can spend that time actually learning something real about life.
Hope you've spent time free thinking and learning
It's far easier to make a man believe in something foolish, than to convince him that he has been made a fool.
Every time I've had to admit I had been a fool (veganism being my biggest), I've had to come to the realization myself, in private. I aspire to, one day, be presented with some combination of evidence and argument by someone, and realize and admit, in real time, with an audience, that I was wrong.
I love all of you so much. Thank you for all your hard work.
Congratulations on the win in the New Jersey case!! Very proud of you!! Go Andrew!!! GO FFRF!!!
These guys are amazing. Thank you for the knowledge. Keep it up.
Another big issue is trying to fit three days and three nights (Mat 12:40) from Friday night to Sunday morning.
Or how in Gen. 27 it says that God created Man and Woman at the same time. But you go to Gen. 2:4 and all of a sudden there is no woman and they have to take her out of a Rib, lol 😂!
@@Ms.Mimi.Speaks that’s called a recap. Ever hear someone recap and event?
Thank you so much for making your videos! They show me that I am not, in fact, crazy for not believing that my family's religion is a lie.
Too bad I have to hide the fact that I'm watching this from my parents, though.
Same😂
Most of the 10 commandments was copied from the “ Book of the Dead “ from Kemmet (Egypt) ; and, the Holy Family was fashioned after Asar, Auset, and Heru. The Flood was copied from the tale of Gilgamesh. I’m still researching.
Solid!!!
Yes, I saw a documentary-can’t remember what it was called but, it showed that almost all of the stories in the Bible were repeats of stories from Zeus and all of the other gods before Jesus. And those stories were a lot of times exact replicas of what happened. Such as the resurrection of Jesus that has happened probably 5 to 8 times in other god stories.
Xtianity and other Abrahamic religions are just recycled ancient Egyptian, Greek, Persian, Babylonian and Levantine myths and legends. The greatest con ever.
The genealogy of Jesus is absurd. Matthew has 41 generations from David and Luke has 56 generations, but they only have 18 names in common in their list. This is such a contradiction that it throws the whole work into question.
Yes, I noticed that very early when I first started reading the Bible
Who cares?
But Joseph wasnt Jesus dad . Aparently the Holy Goat bonked Mary
@@johnlawrence2757 . It indicates that they are not reliable.
This is the case with pretty much every single scripture existing today. What happened with Bible and Koran due the religion treating them as scriptures is that due to there being a centralised religious authority, they created one standard version of it and destroyed the rest.
Congrats on the WIn everyone. Strong work Andrew, as always. Fight the good fight!
Wow! Congratulations on the New Jersey court victory!
The taxpayers thank you for this important brick in the wall of separation!
Yeah, I'm kind of proud to be from Jersey, but we do have a lot of morons here also, but not nearly as many as in the South the north and western parts of the USA. That's my summary. I humbly think I am more Moralistic than the churchgoers. Honest to god!
I especially appreciate the framers of yeh New Jersey state constitution, who in those times had categorically made the provisions to ensure church and state totally separate from one another.
@@charleslozada5829can you educate me on this recent victory?
@@charleslozada5829I have known atheists who treated their fellow man better than Christians!
My question is why does a God who has all of this love, power and is omnipotent need our worship.
Good question. Because he's man made.
yes...and as a corollary, wouldn't a perfect entity be completely immutable any way?
I just love your presentation of contradictions in the Bible. Personally I call the Bible “The Believer’s Contradictionary to The Mythical Story of God”. Keep up the good work folks!
The fool has said in his heart there is no god if the cap fits wear it
Would you debate this with a Christian application apologist if you dare
...wait; the book with the talking serpent, talking ass, and talking smoldering shrubbery is inaccurate?
And what about the Knights Who Say Ni?
Who would've thought! 😂
I think the lies start with "in the beginning".
"in the beningging"
Absolutely love it. I couldn't agree more.
Starting out, we learn god likes to watch naked people, and the human race started with incest ( Cain & Abel's "wives" ).
His first "paradise" was flawed, and he had to restart the entire universe.
It should say," once upon a time". Lol
Facts and logic destroys theist nonsense every time
One BIG contradiction is when Elijah 'ascended up to heaven..'(2 Kings chapter 2) Later Jesus said, 'No man has ascended to heaven but he who descended from heaven...'
Elijah was taken up so was Enoch Yeshua went on His own
Isaiah 45:7
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and *_create evil:_* I the Lord do all these things."
don't you have to be evil to create evil?
Yea or either neutral which means a combination of the two which would mean neither good nor bad.
What does it mean in that passage when it says "evil"?
I love how these three seem to enjoy the conversation so much. Wish I had people to discuss these things with like this.
Start a site, Joseph. I’ll join. You’ve got the perfect initials from a marketing perspective, JC.
Trouble with discussing the bible or any religious text is basically like preaching to the choir. Discussing it with religious individuals is a lot more fun, when they get stuck trying to defend any of the numerious controdictions. I love discussing the book of johova with the johova witness's that come around. I simply ask question using their book which I've read frorm cover to cover as I have with all Cristian, Jewish and Islamic text. They generally get stuck and will ask if I mind if they send their supiour to discuss it and never actuall send one.
I never (or rarely) bring up the topic of religion with people in my life. The last thing I want to do is seem like I'm preaching. But if someone else asks me about it, I'm an open book. I wish debating religious folk was a bigger part of my life
Oh I so agree and I understand the want and need to have to have people to talk to. Where I live is the HIGHEST number of churches per capita in the entirety of my country!
I have seen atheist groups on Meetup in my town. Check your local groups.
"Paul said, "God is not the author of confusion,"
And like much of the Bible, it also says the opposite: "Therefore the name of the city was Babel-because there the Lord confused the language of the entire earth; and from that place the Lord scattered and dispersed them over the surface of all the earth." ~~ Genesis 11:9
My favorite contradiction is this one telling you how to respond to a fool:
Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him
...and one sentence later...
Proverbs 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
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It is so exciting to see thinking intelligent humans actually doing something to make the world a better place. I love these folks!
The one that stands out to me the most is Christ's own mis-prediction of his second coming when he told his audience that he would return during the lifetimes of those listening to him.
I hope they don't hold their breath waiting.
I always wondered about that
Yes! And people will say that he was referencing his assencion, but the context was clearly talking about his second coming.
I'm SO HAPPY to have found this channel! You guys are wonderful and doing such important work, THANK YOU!!!
Thank you Dan, Anne and your team for the work you do. So glad to have you on our team.
You would think that a perfect God would have been a better editor.
Could the editor have been....Satan?!?
(Dana Carvey Church Lady voice)
I think this supposed deity is a model for politicians, say it both ways, bury it in a whole load of other stuff and then dig it out when it suits the cause.
@@BrianBattles I think Satan would have done a better job writing the Bible.
@@johnthijm5113yeah, and it seems that satan is the only character in the bible that didn't lie.
Love this episode pointing out these contradictions nice thank you
Reading the Bible turned me into an atheist: I mean a TALKING SNAKE in the Garden of Eden??????
It never says snake.
@@blain20_ serpent is just another word for snake. Even if it doesn't say snake, it's definitely a talking animal and not Satan as Christian apologists try to pretend it says.
And a talking donkey (Balaam's donkey in Numbers) and a talking bush...that burns but isn't consumed.
In other words, crappy fanfic fantasy.
God is the biggest sinner in the Bible
Really enjoy this show. Just found FFRF a week or so ago.
Really appreciate the popular outspoken atheists like Matt Dillahunty, Sam Harris, Seth Andrews and Dawkins, but the FFRF is out there (not so quietly)doing the big work challenging religion’s violations violations of the country’s foundation.
“Freedooooooooom, Freedom from Religion.” 😂 I love it.
Me too 🤣🤣🤣
@Gino Martell You're listening to these demons tell you about freedom? Bruh...
Hands up!!! Sing it loud!!🤟🙌💪
I knew JESUS wasn't real
@@rodsteel6595 😈
The no public funds for religion law should apply to the Ark encounter in Kentucky
First thing I thought of when they started discussing the legal proceedings, and began scrolling the coments, to see if anyone had brought up the subject.
Although I am probably guilty of double standards, as I am from the UK, and don't think it inappropriate that public funds should be used to assist the maintenance of cathedrals or village parish churches of historic, architectural or artistic importance, providing those buildings are open to the general public.
But then I see or hear nothing remotely historic, architectural or artistic about the creationist Ark. encounter.
@@christopherseton-smith7404 interesting. I am in the UK too, and despise that public funds are wasted on those archaic, temples of pain and suffering. Public money should be used to help the public, not wasted just because you think a building is pretty
@@iamanowl26 UK is technically a theocracy.
The lying begins with the title: "Holy ...". A far more accurate title is "The Goat Herders Guide to the Galaxy"
Great video, thanks for sharing.
I don't except the Lord's statement of _"don't think I came to bring peace"_ as a contradiction. When I *was* a churchified, churched up, church member I started asking legitimate questions about inconsistencies in our church practices and beliefs. I wasn't getting honest answers in fact there was one minister who would start shouting _"mark them that cause division, mark them that cause division!"_ I didn't intend to cause division. So I think I understand why the Lord said he brought a sword of devision. However, that doesn't explain away the semi trailer load of inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible, let alone church.
Great show, thanks.
The contradictions we see in the Bible.....had they been found in another book claiming to be the word of God, we would have used them as evidence to discredit that book. Why then should we give the Bible a pass? It is disingenuous, at best, for us to be that uneven in how we judge books on their credibility.
I’m a 13-year-old atheist and sometimes I get nervous when Christians tell me that I’m going to Hell. What if I actually do go to Hell? I get nervous thinking about that sometimes. Can somebody debunk Jesus coming back for me?
I can't debunk Jesus, since the burden of proof is on Christianity to back up itself. But hey, I understand the feeling. I felt like that for awhile after deconverting. Look at it this way. Christians tell you about the hell they believe in, but they also happen to not believe in the thousands of other hells of other religions. They just happen to have been convinced of one. I just came to realize, that they all are on equal footing. None of theme make logical sense, or have any evidence to back their existence.
If someone says that to you again, ask them if they worry about all the other hells. I'm sure they don't believe in other hells. So there you go, you just happen to not believe in theirs too.
@@apersonontheinternet8354 well said, and also to the op, think if you are scared of the Christian hell, or even Christian, you certainly won’t be scared of the Muslim hell, or the Greek pagan hell, watch from this same channel their interview with Ron Reagan he says the same point. You already aren’t scared of and don’t believe in numerous hells, you just need to go one further. And remember you aren’t the one making the claim that Jesus came back to life, you don’t need to prove he didn’t come back until it’s proven that he did. Right now I don’t know if Jesus came back or not, I don’t think he did because it goes against what we know, and I haven’t seen any reliable evidence presented to support he did resurrect, so until I’m given a reason to believe I’m not going to and I’m not going to waste time being scared of consequences for not believing that same thing.
Just realise that everyone is going to Hell if it exists, because not enough rebuking Cretans or greeting each other with kiss and other weird new testament commands.
If a Christian tells you this just ask why they didn't try to kiss you before knowing you are an Atheist as God commands.
Hell is illogical. Nobody is going to hell, don't worry. No hell and no heaven.
Bible should be in the fiction section.
it already is
Exactly
Mythology.
Often based on actual stuff, but buried among layers and layers of fantasizing on the 'actual' stuff.
FFRF thank you so much. I’m an African and I’ve asked myself these questions since infancy but my Christian home couldn’t answer them. I’m free from religion now and many Africans need to be free too please contact me and let me start this movement in Africa I’m ever ready.
Hey brother. Nigerian here and the son of two pastors lol. Hit me up let's work together 🔥
Religion and christianity has been proven to be the catalyst to enslave black africans. The usage of the bible to enslave black skins is not a coincidence. It was a deliberate and systematic institution condone by all the Christian's bishops and popes. If you ever wonder why you should never follow christianity and any other fairytale religions. You should look what the slave master used against you. They use the "Black codes of 1724" to put slave into a indoctrination and subservient mindset. As a strong people, we need to break the mental shackles of Jesus, Allah, Noah and all other weapons used against us. We must awaken to our docile brainwashing and lies perpurtrated by colonizers and slave masters.
Great! My religion is simply serving humanity. For my first 20-something years, I was a devout but tortured Christian. I now consider myself Taoist. I see “God” in everything.
@@coldblaze100 I'm Nigerian as well, glad to see more Nigerians having common sense and anyways, religion is not helping in Nigeria.❤️
I am African too from Kenya and I have realised how Christianity is a lie.
I do appreciate it when people who were "professional" theists give insight into the ways that they would square certain things, or purposely avoid certain problematic issues.
It's fantastically illuminating, and very helpful for someone who has never been religious, to gain understanding from someone who is willingly sharing the thought processes they'd employ to reconcile the irreconcilable.
So why do pictures, paintings, and any type of rendering of Adam and Eve in the garden of eden show them having belly buttons? They weren’t born by a woman….were they?
And they were made I God's image, so he must have one too?
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The first real smart Hippie.....☝️😋
you have acute powers of observation my friend...something I've never heard or even thought of.
Why does this god like the smell of burning flesh?
Do u like the smell of chicken or hamburger cooking.
Nigel Davenport because the God of the Bible is and has always been a evil blood thirsty maniac that loves to kill steal and destroy everything and anyone who comes into contact with him or her! In other words God is the Devil!🤮
Michael Eatmon gods kill count in the Bible is like 2,038,344 and Satan's is like 10. Who is the real devil??
Because people like barbecue, and god was made in man's image
Got hooked on it when the asteroid took out the dinosaurs. 😉
I really need to stop watching this channel, I'm losing my faith at a worrying rate.
If you are then that's means you never had it
@@craigsmith6274 Well said.
Better off without it!
The reason you are watching it and why you were pulled to this channel is because you already have questions and you want to logically hear what others have to say about the idioms of the Bible; which is what all people should be doing anyway... that’s what research is about.
If tax payer funds can't go to churches, isn't tax breaks the same?
I agree. It's about time we tax religious organizations like other businesses.
At the very least, religious organizations should be treated like other non-profits, and their books should be open for public scrutiny.
Current laws make religious organizations the perfect way to launder money.
I agree too, you've both saved me from having to type it out!
Thanks for that ☺
Mike Public taxing religious organizations removes religious freedom
All religious organizations should be required to pay: federal, state, County and property taxes. They should have to do bookkeeping.
Good for Andrew Seidel and the FFRF! Why should our taxpayer's dollars *have to* go toward the repair and/or maintenance of a church, synagogue, mosque, etc.?
As a Christian I agree that taxpayer money should not be used to repair churches I don't want government money involved in the church
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Spread the word!!!
This happens also in Philippines, when our local government gave money for the establishment of a church. They even ask me to spare some amount. But i refused, no way i would help them. I am a lonely atheist here in the Philippines south - Mindanao.
@@interpretingscripture8068 The money you work for comes from the government. So when you donate to your church government money is involved. There's no way around it.
I don't know about other church denominations, but as an ex-catholic, I'm profoundly aware that THEY have tons of cash stashed away in Rome; apparently enough to support the pope in rather kingly splendor..
In talking about DNA , something that I have never understood is: If Adam and Eve were God's only human creation, that means that we are all products of incest, if that is the case then why do we all have different DNA ?
And then think, he had Adam and even and things built up, and then he set the slate back again on just Noah’s family, so two huge genetic bottlenecks within a few generations relative to evolution time. Gross to think about
Because Adam and Eve never existed.
As a Christian theist, I actually really appreciate the work that you are doing and have made donations.
The state has no business supporting any religion whatsoever and, in fact, I may say you have a lot of work to do in terms of eliminating the charitable contribution deduction for any religion as well as the real estate property tax exemption for any church.
Therefore, God willing (🤔😁), I will make another donation!!
Aside from the contradictions there is zero evidence that any supernatural claims made in the bible are true. That alone should be reason enough to not have faith
Yup and there are a ton of supernatural shit in the Bible taking snakes talking donkeys and giants I mean do you think Christians actually believe that
I appreciate the points being made. I am a Christian and believe the major points of the Bible. God did not dictate word for word the Bible. He used people to document and record events. It should not be surprising that minor errors occur. Two people seeing the same event will have different perspectives and notice different details and even elaborate some details, but the fact that the event happened is still true. The major theme of the Bible is that humanity is corrupt and needs to be saved. God provided that salvation through Jesus. All you have to do is trust Jesus for the salvation God has provided. I do not think any sane person can look at the world we live in and the people who live in it (including yourself) and not admit that there is something fundamentally wrong with our nature.
"Two people seeing the same event will have different perspectives and notice different details and even elaborate some details, but the fact that the event happened is still true. "
Except we have no idea who wrote the gospels. They weren't written by witnesses. They have been translated over and over after being told by word of mouth for years.
You can find people alive today who will tell you about their having been abducted by aliens. Will you believe them? That is not as fantastic a claim as the resurrection.
I like the song “freedom from religion”. I realized in my deepest being that there was no such thing as a god.I had a profound experience at 10 years old that nature was all there is in the material world.There is no deep mystery filled with control of thinking nor judgements.In nature there is no judgement, simple and pure in it’s make up.There is no journey for everything is complete and thus we are also complete.We have just forgotten that we have all knowledge ,but religions do no want us to know to maintain power over us.I was aware of the game decades ago, and don’t buy into the retoric.
great show! i"m glad i found my way out of that cult indoctrinations
The trouble I have is that the Israelites must have believed in the existence of other gods because they so frequently ended up worshipping them too. God therefore must have failed to explain to them that these other gods didn’t actually exist? The Bible just calls them foreign and not fake. And God talks about attacking foreign gods and making them ‘ashamed’, etc. How can a made-up god feel shame? If the Israelites didn’t know that the other gods weren’t real then it seems to be because their god didn’t know they weren’t real. Which would suggest ....
Susie Ambrose Yes, I saw a documentary-can’t remember what it was called but, it showed that almost all of the stories in the Bible were repeats of stories from Zeus and all of the other gods before Jesus. And those stories were a lot of times exact replicas of what happened. Such as the resurrection of Jesus that has happened probably 5 to 8 times in other god stories.
good job guys, you have no idea what my people suffered and continue to suffer under the partnership of church and state. I am Thundercloud, a survivor of theocracy!
Awesome win, you are doing great work
I can't believe Annie is in her 60's!!! Best looking 60+ year old I've ever seen.
Was thinking that as well
You're just a "Whipper snapper" 60 is not old .....78 is (me)
60 was considered old 30 years ago. 60 is NOT old now, since life span has increased in the past few decades.
IKR, I thought she was in her 30's.
God also changed his mind about human lifespan, he said we would live 120 years and later changed it to 70 three score and ten
Magnificent discussion. Pretty much everything I've ever thought about the Bible and beyond, only with far more knowledge of the original texts thanks to these three.
16:30, exactly. Read Luke 1, where he describes how he put together his writings....from many sources, investigated by him. There are mistakes, no doubt. But the question is : does the content help or hinder mankind. I personally feel it helps.
Much thanks. Great work!
Hearing voices or whispers is some times, a game of the brain, a mistake of the sensation of hearing.... But when this happens very often, is a serious mental disorder....
Just found this channel this is heavenly
That's so cool. I just got through speaking about Dan Barker in a comment on AronRa's TH-cam video channel. I didn't know FFRF was a thing. Thank you Dan for all you do.
No more tax exemptions for churches!
Freedom from Religion sounds great.
Back to the lite.👍
An opening in the overcast.
Science; a candle in the dark!!!
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I'm a pastor of a church and I completely agree that the public tax payer should never be asked to provide tax dollars for the support of the church. Any church that petitions the government, on any level, for financial support.
Question: Were the Religious Hucksters required to pay the money back, that they had already been receiving, for who knows how long?
As I debate a lot of hard core christians, I need a book that lists all the contradictions in the bible, separating OT and NT so I can have a quick look. I'm sure there is such a book, Can you please recommend one.
Hey there! If you are still searching I recommend "The Skeptic's Annotated Bible" by Steve Wells. You can also find the 558 marked contradictions listed on their website www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/number.html
Each item on the list links to a short article on the contradiction, which is very handy. This online list, however, is not divided in OT and NT, but you can look up the chapters, which are divided in old and new T, on the homepage www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/index.htm
The book and website also list ridiculous and horrendous things in the bible and explain things very well. I've used it several times now.
The very first time I ever heard the words “freedom from religion”, I thought it was one of the most important concepts in human history.
Dan I have your new book coming mid May….so looking forward to it!
The other gods. The Hebrew people were originally polythesitic and had a patheon of gods like most other cultures of the time.
even though this video is old, it's timely for me. i'm currently watching 'colonial house' on youtube - essentially a 'reality' show about a bunch of 21st century people who pretend to be from 1628... it's basically more a social experiment wrapped around horrible camping trip. but the 'leader' of this thing is a preacher from texas - his reason for being there was to understand the people that came to america to 'escape religious persecution'... then spends all his efforts trying to force non-believes to show up at his sermons every sunday. he does finally 'see the light' though, so credit to him. i get that 400 years ago, or 1000 years ago or pick a time, the church was a huge part of everyone's life... people were ignorant, science was the 'bad guy' because it disproved most of what the church said, and waving eternal damnation and threat of getting burned at the stake is a great way to control people... much like today - keep them stupid and scared and you OWN them. don't get me wrong, i'm happy for people that have this 'thing' that seems to make them happy - but it's a choice, not a necessity... if having a pet is still considered a luxury, even with it's proven positive benefits, then religion should be considered a luxury - and taxed appropriately. simply because something has been around for a long time, and lots of people do it (like slavery), doesn't make it 'right'.
hear hear
Love you people! Congratulations on your legal victory! The world needs more people like you. ...The bible contradictions you discussed are huge. Can't believe Christians are still 2000 years later wrapping their brains up in knots trying to explain them. Used to do that myself, and now it seems so irrational and even rather crazy.
The cognitive dissonance that blocks critical thinking
was put there by an ancient Hebrew god named Yahweh
who is not the author of confusion.
In early America, Christmas was illegal because its a Pagan holiday.
It is a pagan holiday. Now it's damn part of Christianity
Mainly during the reign of Puritan groups in New England but it was widely celebrated at the time of the American Revolution.
I try to talk with family about the Bible just trying to learn and they tell me I’m crazy I’m falling away from etc but in reality I’m the only one actually trying to read the Bible they don’t ugh it’s aggravating
Well just know if they actually read it they would see what you’re saying 🤣
Over the years both christians and muslims have managed to manufacture "explanations" for the contradictions in their books.
Their strategy is once you create reasonal doubt of a contradiction it is no longer a contradiction.
These sessions are great! Please keep them coming. They are like getting a bottle of water (i.e., rationality) while wandering in a desert (of religiosity).
Good work, guys. I wonder if the explanation for the numeric discrepancies, though, is due to their inferior number system. They hadn’t started using 0, for instance, which we take very much for granted these days to give us an accurate account of the scale of a thing, but without zero you only have context to go on
Ancient people like the Babylonians did use a symbol like 0 as a placeholder, so there was no such problem.
One thing that strikes me is that in the synoptic gospels it says the road to eternal life is very narrow and the road to destruction (hell) is very wide. And yet in johns gospel Jesus says his fathers house has MANY mansions.
In his father's universe there are many dwelling places.
Here's one that has been bugging me for years and years: if Adam and Eve were the first and only humans on earth and they had sons, how did they go to other vilages to marry? Where in the world did these villages and people appear from? No one could answer this simple question.
Easy answer. Look at how long they lived before they died. Hundreds of years. Plenty of time to have tons of kids. Pay particular attention to what Cain says in Genesis 4:14 he says every one who finds me will slay me. If no one knew who he was then why would he be worried about people slaying him. If no one knew who he was he has nothing to fear. If they were All related to him he would have everything to fear.
@@abrfx1491I call bollocks on the whole shit show.