I definitely struggled more with Margit, I had to go out and do a bunch of leveling in the open world before I could take him. I went on a pretty straight shot to Godrick right after that and it was tough but I definitely felt like I had the Learning to beat him, whereas Margit had more of a curve for me. - Simone
One thing I always love about Souls teacher-bosses is that they always have 2 phases. Phase 1 is "Here is a boss specifically designed to teach you how to fight in a Souls game" (And in Elden Ring, that gets extended to "Here is a boss specifically designed to force you to learn how the game wants you to interact with the world). Phase 2 is "Eat shit and die."
Best thing about the and this boss is you can pretty much decide yourself how difficult encounter Margit is. Knowing I could had just overlevel, -gear and abuse summons to easily defeat him but instead decided to use HOURS learning his moves, patterns and bashing my head against to wall ust to beating him using 2handed club without a shield. It was love/hate relationship at its best.
I totally agree. I spent 5 hours trying to learn his movents. The most dificult part is when he has lass than 20% of his life and his attacks become more ramdom e frenquent... Really hard...
@@Hugoaction Agree. Best thing I noticed is. At 20% health you shouldn't attack him. He seem to be programmed to punish small trade after 50% health, especially after 20%. You need to hit him as he *charging* big attack. Not when he *just* ended his combo.
For that reason I made a new character. My initial one is lv. 230-ish and the game had lost it's flavor. I mean, I love buildcrafting but the way it works in this game is once you have a strong build, the unique properties of all the cool bosses can and will be ignored. I've never really figured Margit out until yesterday. It Took me 90 minutes to beat him because first time I had help from Rogier and the jelly, 2nd time I was OP in NG+1.
Genichiro in Sekiro had a super exploitable version of this: whenever you went to heal in certain phases it would trigger a long-distance thrusting attack, designed to remove your recovered health and then some. BUT, if you put yourself at just the right distance you would have time to heal and then immediately Mikiri Counter the attack, allowing you to both regain health AND do a solid chunk of both posture and vitality damage. I'm loving Elden Ring, but I kinda miss that dance-like style of attack and deflect that Sekiro mastered.
Not only that he also punish you for being greedy or Impatient just when you thought you could get a extra attack in or when you thought he finish his combo that’s when you let your guard down and take a beating.
It's actually input reading. The boss chooses attacks that will likely mess with you by delaying the animation if it sees you rolling during the wind up.
Showed up at level 15, went "Oh, I hit this dude for a drop in the pot, he slaps me for half my health." Then I left and did everything else and came back at level 40 with +3 sippy and +5 weapon and put his foolish ambitions to rest.
@@eldendoge2302 Dawg nobody cares, stop posting this shit on multiple comments. You could beat him with bare fists if you were dedicated enough, that doesn't mean anyone wants to do that shit
Here’s some lore reasons why as well: he has been protecting the erdtree as margit since the wars, and he was able to whoop the ass of General Radahn, the man who could stop the stars.
I've said to a friend that the Limgrave is like a mini-Breath of the Wild, and you can charge Margit (Ganon) as soon as you'd like, but its better to search the corners of the map and find tools you need to handle him. Limgrave was designed to have this giant obstacle in Margit, to encourage the player away from rushing straight through the plot bosses and get them to explore the world more. I think the whole game is brilliantly designed, but you can really tell how much thought and planning went into the first area.
I watched a streamer that hates exploration and open world games play through it. Instead of exploring and buffing up, he just kept trying to beat Margit again and again, until he succeeded after like ten hours of attempts
I'm playing as a Wretch on my first playthrough. Went to bash my head against the wall that is Margit after what I thought was enough prep time. Got close a few times but eventually gave up. Literally just got some flask upgrades and the physick flask and took him out in two tries afterward. Sometimes you just need a tiny edge.
I had a friend who did this and it was WILD to watch. I was just sitting there with my mouth shut tight trying not to backseat game, and screaming in my head "JUST WALK AWAY!!!! THERE'S 30 HOURS OF CONTENT IN THE EARLY GAME JUST EXPLORE IT!!!" He did get him in the end, and I think it's pretty cool that the game supports such different playstyles. - Simone
It’s honestly not that surprising from a Fromsoft game that the opening area is the best designed. That pretty much always happens as they (in my opinion rightfully) put their best foot forward to offer a great impression of their games. The more rare thing is the fewer number of areas in Elden Ring where design falls to the wayside which is unfortunately another hallmark of Fromsoft games
@@ShaggyDemiurge I really tried to beat him my first go without giving up. I even did the first phase no hit but the second he pulls out his magic hammer and sword there was no chance for me.
@@Tentetnikov69 idk what you're talking about, when he was describing Margit's combo strings it was like i was right back in the Monster Factory Monster Mania
I just love his phase two transition dialogue that's goes, "ah, thou art of passing skill," IDK why I just think it's a huge flex because anyone new to the game will immediately get the confidence they built up through phase one pushed straight back in.
If you take what he says literally, it means, "you have practiced." Truly, it's more of a subtle question, "have you spent enough time practicing/leveling to beat me?" This does a great job planting a seed in the mind of players to guild them towards growing. You become primed to WANT to become skilled/leveled enough. It's wonderfully done.
Even more passing skill. Beat him Solo, No Damage, No Parry, No Upgrades, Uchigatanas, No Ashe of War Buffs, No Talismans, No Consumables, No Spirit Ashes, and using the base Soul Level 9 Samurai class. ;) Here you go: th-cam.com/video/b1hQRPDrHT4/w-d-xo.html
I hate long wind-ups. Especially ones that have arbitrary wind-up times for the seemingly same starting moves, and keeps you guessing which it is. Combine that with one-shot/fast combo/stunlock, and there you go, a recipe for anger.
yeah they fkin over-used that in most of the bosses I feel, it kind of encourages the players to just use ash summons to distract the boss then spam magic/ranged attacks, which just makes most fights trivial
@@Kalashboy420 Someone else said it but I'll paraphrase: Dark Souls gave us PvP - you can summon people to help you fight a boss. This gave you an additional body that can distract the boss, but in exchange the boss gain health boost. Spirit Ashes is an ingame design where you can summon without having to go PvP. They give you same benefit of summons without giving the bosses extra health. As a result, Elden Ring has to balance the bosses around the fact you have Spirit ashes available. This explains why this game has so many annoying multi-gank bosses, and why some of the late game enemies are so tanky in comparison to previous Souls games. Yes, you can beat the game without summoning them. And yes you can beat said gank bosses without them. But you can't escape the fact their existence has affected the game design in some way. As an aside, this same argument, exists for lootbox games. Lootboxes affect the design of say...Diablo Immortals. Can you play the game without buying lootboxes? Sure. Does the existence of lootboxes affect the game drops? Almost certainly.
It’s kinda funny how even though Morgott is a much harder fight than Margit, but people will usually spend way longer fighting Margit. It makes sense, people will be more used to the game and way more appropriately levelled by the time they reach Morgott, but it’s still kinda interesting to think about.
Yeah for a first “story” boss he’s punishing as hell. Even after exploring half of limgrave and leveling up his delayed strikes still threw me for a loop lol. Badass character tho
Also, it's easier to get to morgott with a decent level that makes the fight easier, as he's at a point of the game where you have access to a lot of side content to upgrade your stuff. With margitt many people will go unprepared and underlevel so they won't be able to tackle him
I like the margit rematch outside leyndell, no boss music, just margit testing you to see how far you've come. and how far I had come was quite astonishing, apparently. he's probably my favourite boss fight so far. also inb4 morgott = margit
The beginning of Elden Ring almost feels like a red herring or a mean trick. You do the tutorial and the game says follow the light of the grace and almost makes you take a linear path. That path leads to Margit who beats your ass. Like he's meant to be saying, "What are you doing here? It's an open world game! Go explore and face me when your stronger!" It's okay to leave a boss fight and come back later if you are having trouble. You'll be less stressed about the game. I promise.
One thing that I learnt by playing for around 30 hours in Limgrave (I like to explore a lot and loot everything) is that Limgrave area is a huge tutorial, you got Forlorn Hound Evergaol that you learn there how to dodge attacks and dive in, then you got the Crucible Knight in another Evergaol you learn how to break stance and time your attacks (this one I just gave up after so many tries), you have an initial cave and an initial catacomb and initial ruins, in the cave you learn that you can have resources and smithing stones and the catacombs you'll learn how to solve puzzles, the ruins tell you that there's something lootable there. So a massive tutorial without teaching you anything, it just clicks after a while and you understand how FromSoftware wants you to play the game. If you cannot master Limgrave's lessons fully, you'll have a hard time going forward.
@@drstrangel0ve I think it’s the greatest thing about fromsoft design and mastered with Elden Ring. It’s like a chest match where it value your experience, experimentation and persistence. If you can do the same thing over and over and find success, you’re not doing anything but a chore. By letting players find out for themselves how they want to beat an obstacle with various tools they gave, you’re actually playing a game. Imagine picking up a basketball and trying to hoop for the first time. It’s not easy getting the basket, but eventually you actually get decent at putting the balls in the basket. That’s the reward for game in real life, and it’s the same here. By making it difficult, it’s rewarding and respecting player’s choices along the way. There are still certain things you have to learn to play the game like dodging and learning move. But just like basketball, you have to dribble with your hands and not your feet. If it doesn’t jive with you then ain’t no shame in that. I don’t do sim racing either and I’m particularly bad at guitar hero. It’s not the game fault that I suck at using all of my fingers. It might just not be for me.
@@drstrangel0ve That is a fascinating observation. I think I just decided to run Limgrave again really thoroughly on an alt, make sure I didn't miss any of the curriculum. Thanks for the idea!
It took me like two or three days to beat him and then I beat Goodrich in three tries. Margit managed to become my favorite character in the game so far though. The omens are so cool
Margit really is the culmination of Fromsoft design. Its probably why I can't stop playing this game, even though there are still some bosses that arent perfect, Margit is a boss that just feels like Fromsoft really loves to kill us, and that warms my heart.
@@justinskidmore9677 It’s really not a love of dying, but moreso about conquering the thing that keeps killing us. Though dying is a major part of getting to that feeling, its not the part we enjoy.
Margit is both a fantastic teacher and a great troll from time to time. Also, his animations and adaptability are on another planet. This boss have just a big charisma coming from all of that. This little duellist dance/staring contest realy have a western vibe. Truly an amazing boss, I've loved being beaten nearly 50 times by that old goat !
I feel like the reason that I died so many times to this fairly predictable boss is because I'd come close to winning, get greedy, die, sloppily rush the fight again in frustration, get close again, die again.
One thing that always hold true so far in my journey in Elden Ring is that stronger and bigger the foe, you roll *forward* not back. My instinct always makes me run back, and the game never fails to punish that.
forward or through tends to be the best bet. like if a horizontal swing is coming at you from the right, roll in that direction. another great example is the godskin noble's rolling move. you have to roll directly into it, as counterintuitive as it may seem
margit is like this because Elden ring is going to be the first souls game alot of people played, you need a boss that teaches players the collective knowledge of 6 other souls games in the span of 2 phases, it punishes getting greedy, it teaches you to be mindful of your arena, it teaches you the extent of your dodge and how you can memories an attack to learn the best way to dodge, it teaches you whats a general safe distance for healing and time intensive actions with his slow walk speed, he even teaches you to sometimes take a break because you might be under leveled or under equipped.
Godrick the golden was the one who really taught me to study thy opponent. He must have kicked my ass 20+ in a row before I actually started studying his moveset. Once I had it down, it felt so satisfying to dodge everything and then smack his hp down to zero.
Ah, but his BS didn't teach me that. It taught me to be happy getting a single hit in if he didn't leap to the other side of the arena. Made for a crap experience.
Literally beat him two hours ago after starting Elden Ring on day one. I’m a souls newbie and he is the first boss I’ve defeated. I’m so proud of myself. (‘:
Congrats, it took me 6 hours and I've probably got 2000 hours in all souls games combined To be fair i started as wretch and tried him 5h with the club Be proud of yourself
He exists as a reality check for souls players new and veteran. ER bosses have AI that are triggered by using flasks, hyper aggressive combos that often can last longer than your stamina bar if you aren't spec'd properly, and possible one shot attacks that wind up for just that little extra amount of time so that you're to roll incorrectly and get knocked.
For anyone that is at their breaking point with this boss there's a spell you can get that will engage him for several seconds and allow you to beat on him. It works only 2 or 3 times before he becomes immune though
I always struggled to understand what people thought so hard about dark souls.. I mean it's fair in every way. This game's bosses simply aren't fair. And I do not like to be forced to take big damage, no matter what ad be forced to upgrade vitality. I NEVER upgrade vitality, plus it increased anyway i old souls games.
While getting my ass completely kicked, I couldn't help but notice just how awesome the animation work was for Margit, too. The respect he commanded made the fight all the more satisfying when I finally landed the finishing blow, and the second round even more personal.
I noticed it too. He's so big and scary yet his animations are so fluent and acrobatic. They look amazing, the way he jumps around, denying gravity for a little bit, is so satisfying to me.
Oddly enough with all the praise this game has gotten I don't think I've heard enough people talking about just how friggin awesome all of the animations are. They're almost all really spectacular across the board.
@@roboroller83 Exactly! Pretty much every fromsoft game has had some of the most uniquely beautiful animations ive seen, especially in bloodborne and sekiro. The "souls" combat system requires you to closely pay attention to every little movement that the enemies make, so the animation quality must be pumped extra high. Thats definitely the reason ive fallen in love with these games.
Definitely, one of the most fluid and interesting starting bosses in the Soul series. I beat him Solo, No Damage, No Parry, No Upgrades, Uchigatanas, No Ashe of War Buffs, No Talismans, No Consumables, No Spirit Ashes, and using the base Soul Level 9 Samurai class. Here you go: th-cam.com/video/b1hQRPDrHT4/w-d-xo.html
I took me approx 1 hr and a half to beat him at lvl 17. no prior experience with souls game. The first five tries I almost killed him with only a tiny bit of HP left. Then he swings out of nowhere. I spent rest of the hour trying to beat margit Because I got impatient and greedy. This boss taught me a lot of things. For example, learn to swing to his side instead of away from him, when he's winding up an attack and about to dash and slash, I slashed him until he staggers. When he staggers after stabbing him a lot You can perform a visceral attack. my victory felt quite earned :D
I noticed that this style of boss becomes much easier after watching someone else fight them. Partially because you see new boss patterns if players do different thing, maybe because it's easy to internalize timing without having to play at the same time? Anyway, the attack string boss with frequent small punish windows is definitely my favorite style in elden rings. I wish they didn't have as many one shot attacks, though.
I ended up watching the streamer grimmz when he was fighting radahn and by the time I got to him I already knew how to dodge all of his combos, so you may have a point there.
I fucking adore the Margit fight for so many reasons, helps that he's really cool and has really cool moves etc etc. But I kinda adore how he's basically a thesis statement of the game. Both in the actual rhythm of the combat (slow hitting heavy attacks that punish spam mixed with lighter attacks to throw you off) but also the greater nature of the game. Like you said you don't have to fight him immediately, you can complete the whole game and then fight him for pete's sake. You can look elsewhere, get buffed up, find more powerful friends or you can smash your face against this boss until you break the wall. But it's up to you, the game isn't going to demand you fight him *now*. What's cool about that is that's the entire game! Everything you need to know about Elden Ring is summarised in the boss and the options you have to face him! That's fucking rad!!!
Whats even cooler is that hes actually optional, there's a secret path around Stormveil to Liurnia if you really cant stand to fight him (I wont say any more about this though - you'll have to find it for yourself)
Can't actually beat the game and come back, because it implies beating Morgott and if you beat Morgott, Margit won't be a boss anymore and you won't be able to find him.
@@revlismorningstar825 the funny thing with that, is that speedrunners found a way to get into Farum Azula early, and defeating the area boss changes the capital. So you don't even need to fight Morgott. Of course, this exploit will be patched out eventually.
I felt SO BAD when I kept getting crushed by Margit early on. "I beat Gael, Midir, and Isshin, why is this guy fucking me up so badly?" This is a really good breakdown, especially on how his strings vary it up to punish fear and predictable behavior. I felt a little bad when I got him using jellyfish poison, but now I use ashes on every boss and don't feel bad in the slightest. (fuck you hoarah.....)
Same, i will just call for my summons when i'm not feeling like taking a beating that day...that is until Malenia throw my craps out of the window. Her is a rare occasion that makes me dedicated to solo her with the long sword i picked up from some soldier dude in the early game, and managed to do so after 3 days (yes i'm casual), partly because she made me pretty salty in a first few attempts. In the end, she became an enjoyable melee fight for me.
ikr, i was thinking like, bitch, i beat Orstein and smough, i beat Nameless King, i beat Midir, Gael, Isshin, Demon of hatred, and all other hard soulslike boss, and you wouldn't give me problem bitch, but nope i'm absolutelly getting destroy by this guy
@@hlongvn4258 Hey, nice work! She definitely makes you learn the dodge timings, since blocking is so bad against her. Glad you found her fun (she was a nightmare for me, haha)
Most bosses in my opinion are easier to fight solo (not hating on summons here love them to bits really) but a good chunk of the bosses swap their target so seamlessly that I end up taking massive hits to the face. I love the fact that they designed the bosses from the ground up to be fought in a group.
Adapting is definitely an important lesson that Margit teaches you! Example: when Margit does that agonizingly long cane windup (you know the one), I started backing up to make him charge me and do his double spin because it was easier for me to consistently time my dodge roll to that than to his close up swing. Every little advantage helps. Don't fight fair. Use pocket sand.
My pocket sand was Rotten Stray Ashes. On my blind run I found a chest that teleported me to what I thought was endgame hell. I lost all my souls, died a shitload, but found Rotten Stray after a long grudge match to get out of the mine. Then I fought him with the dog and watched as his HP eventually started to liquefy.
I actually much prefer going close to bait the slam rather than deal with the double spin, feels like he has more recovery frames on that. The light sword moves he uses on phase 2 remain forever the bane of my existence though. Those multi-hit 'have to roll past or guaranteed roll-catch' attacks make him legit harder than most bosses in the game up until Lleyndell.
yes. i would back up, roll twice to dodge the double swing and you can always get an attack in, and then if you're behind him you can dodge his tail whip to the right and get a single quick attack in as wel
Tip that worked for me: the only fast attack that he does from neutral is also the only upward slash, all his other slower attacks are downward, if he starts to move and does not have his arms raised you need to roll immediatly
I think and important aspect that was missed here is he is designed to teach you the new fight mechanics of elden ring. Using shields, jump attacks, etc. are VERY strong against him!
I mean, Pat did say this was not a guide to beating him, just an analysis of why he’s so good at killing you. And he was also pretty clear that Margit is like this in order to teach you how the game wants you to fight.
Loyal Bloodborne fan here, probably my fave From project. Never really like using shields even in the Souls trilogy & DS, and with how BB outrightly mocks the usage of shields & encourages aggressive gameplay, I had to completely unlearn my BB habits to win this fight.
Ah, but his BS didn't teach me that. It taught me to be happy getting a single hit in if he didn't leap to the other side of the arena. Mad for a crap experience.
In my quite extensive musical experience, Pat is right. "The slow knife penetrates the fast roll." That also reminds me of someone who once said the Arkham games' Batman fights are just rhythm games, and there's a lot of truth to that.
2:35 of note, there actually is no wind-up on the dodge animation whatsoever, s start the same moment the roll does. the reason that there *is* an extremely noticeable and sometimes inconsistent-feeling delay between pushing the button and the roll happening is because the roll doesn't start until the button is *released*. a consequence of the decision over a decade ago to put sprint and dodge on the same button, that causes endless frustration to this day as countless players (including me) go "what the fuck i definitely hit roll and my dipshit bonehead character just stood there and got willingly pummeled"
I really like it being on release (although I am just used to it from multiple dark souls games) because on bosses like Margit when they start doing that wind up and you don't know exactly when its going to you you can preemptively hold the dodge button down and release it at the exact moment you see him initiate his attack. Its not very long but there is about half a second in between holding it down and actually starting sprinting where if you release in that time you still do a roll. Its extremely handy for many of the bosses in this game as so many of them love to fuck with your sense of timing by winding up but delaying the swing by just a fraction of a second.
Its worse than that, you HAVE to momentarily hold before release because of the wait call for directional input. Using a controller with a back paddle occasionally causes a failed input trigger due to the lever shortening the input window. I've been playing with back paddles for so long now my stupid brain can no longer comprehend there is a B or A button anymore even though I know of this issue.
This video is really, really good! I would love to see more boss breakdowns like this, they're so, so instructive, and so rare. Most videos about bosses just focus on a single move, or just pointing you towards some sort of cheese. There's gotta be a sweet spot between "do this and you barely have to think about it" and "i dunno man, just git gud". Within the first, like, 3 tries, I could already tell he was pulling some shenanigans, with those combo extensions _and_ some variable timings as well. The big vertical windup that's comically long? It's perfectly timed to catch you if you roll, realise the attack still hasn't come out, panic, and roll again. But then I tried circle strafing it, and margit just.... kept holding the attack and trying to track me. Eventually, he just gave up? It was really weird and frustrating, finding out that there just wasn't a window for punishment there. It looks like such a _huge_ commitment!
Here is a good example of tackling him without being hit using starting everything and no buffs. I beat him Solo, No Damage, No Parry, No Upgrades, Uchigatanas, No Ashe of War Buffs, No Talismans, No Consumables, No Spirit Ashes, and using the base Soul Level 9 Samurai class. ;) Here you go: th-cam.com/video/b1hQRPDrHT4/w-d-xo.html
Another thing that you didn't bring up that ought to be mentioned is how he handles more defensive playstyles. Slow windups and dodge rhythm dont matter as much if you block his attacks instead of dodge. However, his summoned weapons deal magic damage which you are unlikely to get 100 percent damage negation against at that point, so turtling up will end up into a battle of attrition your unlikely to win. And he has a specific attack to deal big damage after your guard gets broken, forcing you to learn good stamina management if you dont want to get punished.
That’s kind of another way he encourages you to explore. One of the items you can find in Limgrave is the Haligdrake Talisman, which reduces Holy damage (like from Margit's golden weapons)!
Also, his game of waiting an eternity before landing is truly brilliant. You must look at his hands, his eyes, or a movement of elbow to catch the exact moment to roll, otherwise it will hit you. Of course it's exagerated to keep it possible, but when fighting you don't fight a dumb AI. You feel like a duellist who's in a psychological fight against a living being, more skillfull and more patient than you. And it's amazing !
I think Margit is intentionally difficult, like the Tree Sentinel, in order to encourage players to go explore elsewhere. If you're getting wrecked by a boss, go fight smaller enemies and do the small dungeons to level up and get some loot that might help make the fight easier. Even if you explore for awhile and find nothing of great value, leveling up is always valuable because it ALWAYS increases your defense.
The second I entered Limgrave I explored for HOURS because I am an openworld weeb. I loved it. Totally forgot there was even main story bosses. Then after like, 20 hours I got a little bored and went looking for a boss. Killed Margit in about 1 minute, first try. FromSoft has and always will reward exploration and strategic thinking over running and gunning.
Same exact experience. I explored for about 10 hours, found Margit, killed him on first try. The fact that you can just explore and become stronger instead of butting your head against a boss is pure FromSoft genius.
I spent the majority of my first play through exploring and leveling, I didn’t get to Margot till I was lvl 42, and by then I had a large enough health pool to soak up his damage. I was shocked I managed to beat him first try.
I feel sympathetic to that prisoner guy. I know the suffering to endure of dying to Margit's bonk stick over and over again. This is painful to watch, but trust me, after you defeat Margit the victory is sweet and satisfying.
I've noticed something similar with Mohg, in that I'm pretty sure he is designed to frame trap you. His attacks are slow and telegraphed, but its still really easy for a lot of people (myself included) to get hit by them if you aren't used to them. His combos are paced in such a way that panic buffering an input will almost certainly get you smacked around. Its like he was designed to punish panic-mashing. If Margit is the "don't panic" boss, then Mohg is the "don't buffer" boss.
To make things even more unfair: Some bosses and most NPCs do input-reading, meaning they react directly to player inputs, not player movement for example. Some bosses for example can hold their wind-up attack for several seconds, but break that holding immediately when you hit a particular input that they can then punish. You can exploit this in regular enemies, as they are programmed to jump to the side when you shoot an arrow for example, by aiming the arrow to the side of them, making them jump *into* the arrow, but for bosses it's kinda unfair
@@insu_na The input reading is mostly to force the players to learn the boss instead of bruteforcing it. Preventing easy heals means you need to learn when the boss is anilocked to heal (same as you would to hit him), so you cant just trade hits, run to heal, repeat. Also its an attempt to prevent ranged cheese.
@@insu_na I don't mind that because in my mind I narrated every boss fight in Elden Ring is a card game duel like Yugioh or MTG or hearthstone. The boss take an action > They pass the piority to you > you can respond to their previous action however you want > You pass piority back to them so it is now their turn > Repeat untill either of you is dead.
This boss is easily the most memorable out of all the bosses for me. I went into this game completely blind, other than what I had heard about Malenia being the hardest boss. I still remember the first time I walked into his boss arena. I love everything about his design, from his combat to his voice acting. From Software should be very proud of this boss. He literally teaches you how to play the game. If you are losing to him, you are simply being punished for making mistakes. It is a bit jarring at first, but he teaches you the fundamentals of the combat in Elden Ring. Although I do love Malenia more than Margit, i still feel that Margit is easily the most memorable. Foul Tarnished, ill never forget the first time I heard that. Fucking masterful design all the way down to the core.
To a degree. I managed to kill him last night after farming souls for a bit to level up my vigor and strength. But realised the main difference was I learnt how to roll out of the way of his attacks more consistently so I could put enough hits on him to break his poise, allowing even more attacks. But the thing that irked me about fighting him is he doesn't have a stamina bar or if he does it rarely if ever depletes because he keeps throwing attack after attack at you until he either hits you or your stamina reaches zero from rolling and then he messes you over. Then you have to heal a few times and he he's back at it again. Just feels very cheap, and rarely a fair fight.
Oh I remember him alright after fighting him 30 times but now that I got that moveset downloaded in my brain I get him first try on my other playthroughs
@@GethAndroidHim attacking without almost ever stopping is also on purpose and also teaches you how to play the game. If you find yourself rolling so much you are running out of stamina, then you have faced the exact issue he is trying to teach you. Instead, rolling towards him and using your sprint to place yourself at good angles away from his follow up attacks means you can dodge a lot of hits being close to him and without having to roll through every single attack
The bumper make a huge difference indeed! On literally the best run I’ve had (before beating the boss), i could have easily won, but then just happened to slip off the edge and have to retry like 50 more times😭
On 3 separate occasions fighting Margit, I was within a couple hits of beating him, things were going well, still had some crimson flasks, and I fell off that stupid arena. 6 out of 5 stars! Would recommended!
He's a great boss for that place in the game; specifically placed where you have played long enough to start to properly grasp the mechanics and rhythm of combat, early enough that you can't have reinforced your bad habits, and with each of the standard traits of strong Souls bosses but not too much of any one. For new players he teaches that space, healing, and positioning are all resources you can spend for damage, and that you have to earn them back because they aren't free - his mobility covers most of the arena if he wants, his attacks are wide but still highly positional, his chains are long enough that panic-rolling will be punished, and the daggers means you can't heal without thinking it through. Each of these are bad habits that new players and veterans alike fall into, and you can't beat him if you refuse to change the habits. The high damage combos with switch-ups also means that even very good players are extremely unlikely to beat him the first time they see him, to remind very good players that this isn't the end of a game they are familiar with but the start o one they are not. Btu while he's capable of punishing all of these mistakes and habits, he also leaves a fair amount of openings,commits to long attack chains, and doesn't have all that much health - as long as you understand the game, you don't need to be all that good to win. And because of the open-world design, there are a huge number of things you can do and resources you can gain first, so that if you really are just struggling you can eventually brute-force it, or bypass him completely. It's very hard to design early-game challenges, and lists of best bosses overly favour the end-game where the game doesn't need to teach and can just test you, but making a strong ,challenging, and educational boss for the early game is a major challenge for any developer. It took ten years for FromSoft to get this good at designing early bosses, and it shows.
Margit is interesting. I did a maidenless run of stormfront castle as my first run of the game. (I eventually decided after killing godrick that due to a lack of raw weapons and limited weapon reinforcements (and not having the right stats for the unique raw you find) to level up after that point). and discovered that Margit is far more like fighting the dancer early than fighting vort with one exception. The dancer will murder you in one hit no matter what. In a low sl run you grab the dark hand or the deep axe and just go to town on her armor less because you want to win as soon as possible, but Margit is different. Margit deals no damage. even with 10 vigor it takes like 10 of his knives to kill you and his other swings will only do about a third to half your health. He absolutely tickles, but has the same level of complexity as fighting dancer, or champ gundyr, but with none of the bite and this made one major change. It makes this boss really easy to clear even if you don't know what your doing by simply out leveling his damage. By level 25-30 you will simply have more health and more stats than this guy if you distribute a decent number to health and damage. You can get hit by every swing and still win the fight or simply bum rush him with damage before you learn his combos. Additionally they nerfed being light weight. In elden ring the difference between light and medium weight are miniscule with some reporting that there are no frame differences at all, but this also means that a light roll no longer launches you further giving you more safety against high level bosses. Similarly while you are faster in light weight even that was reduced to the point in which the line in which you are passively fast enough to just walk around a bosses attack (like the dancer of the boreal valley's attacks most of which can actually just be walked around) is much narrower meaning high risk high reward early game building isn't nearly as much of a thing, because you will always want to be riding the 69% line. The end result is veteran challenge players are getting torn up because when you don't out scale the boss it is like fighting a mid or end game boss right at the beginning, but if you do level up even just a little bit, you can no sell this bosses entire move set and punish him in return.
I was medium class in DS3, went into Pontiff Sulyvahn's boss fight the first time expecting to just tease out his moveset and get a feel for it, and then just ended up killing him first time because I kept circling past his swipes and finding clean openings. Even got a few parries in there during phase two cos he telegraphs so plainly, and the i-frames from the viscerals meant his shadow twin just kept passing through me XD Couldn't believe it.
yeah it almost feels like the daggers are more about cutting off your post cane attack windows. Not a killer, just a little "boop" for trying to go in at the wrong time.
@@polygon Agreed, additionally the one dangerous point with the knives is how margit will punish you every time you try to heal (which means low health which is the time they are actually dangerous). Actually it is tied to the use of any item (they will try to punish inconsequential things like using a item find item or a prism stone as well). The first time i beat them i actually abused this weakness because their patterns are really easy to control and punish if you keep 20-30 throwing knives handy (you can essentially force their jump and charge with ranged attacks after weaving through the knife counter. They seems to want to get into melee after their ranged attack misses) and as a maidenless at the time there was no reason not to fully stock on them.
Slight correction with rolls here. Light, medium and heavy rolls all have the same Iframe roughly 11-13. The difference being the duration of windup and recovery. Fast roll has the shortest period between reaching the s, and the shortest period after the s before you can attack/roll again. Additionally, fastrolls are approximately 10% further in distance. That being said, Quickstep and Bloodhound Step being applicable to basically every weapon negates how important this is. Oh and Winged Crystal Tear giving you 4.5x more carry weight for 3 minutes lets you go from Overloaded with all of the heaviest equipment in game at 20 Endurance, to Medium Load. Have fun
This is one of the most annoying things about elden ring to me. Early/mid game, levels make a gigantic differences, to the point where it feels almost like an mmo. But end game is almost the opposite. It feels like there is very little difference between a lvl 80 character and a lvl 130 character. The only things that really seems to matter is gear/abilities.
I think that's the big issue most old souls players will have, you come from games where mostly reacting and punishing are done in that order (see what the boss does, avoid, hit), Margit turns the order you are used to (see what the boss does, hit, avoid). If you wait for the opening AFTER his attack, then you get no opening.
Got to just be patient. I beat him Solo, No Damage, No Parry, No Upgrades, Uchigatanas, No Ashe of War Buffs, No Talismans, No Consumables, No Spirit Ashes, and using the base Soul Level 9 Samurai class. ;) Here you go: th-cam.com/video/b1hQRPDrHT4/w-d-xo.html
As a player at the endgame of Elden Ring right now, Margit is genuinely the most challenging boss fight in the game, I reserve hardest boss fight for bs bosses like Godskin duo and Fire giant but Margit is a genuine fight and he is one of my favourite bosses
If you want to take the difficulty a step up there are some interesting challenge runs. I beat him Solo, No Damage, No Parry, No Upgrades, Uchigatanas, No Ashe of War Buffs, No Talismans, No Consumables, No Spirit Ashes, and using the base Soul Level 9 Samurai class. Also, what is the pfp from? Here you go: th-cam.com/video/b1hQRPDrHT4/w-d-xo.html
I can definitely agree that Margit switches targets mid combo bc I did coop on him and managed to save my teammate by drawing his attention mid combo to buy him time to chug a flask instead of getting wiped next hit. Was a super fun and hard fight even with another player
Been doing a fair bit of coop and actually most bosses can switch mid combo, even simpler ones. Sometimes even single attacks with long windups they will be facing someone else with their arms raised and then turn around and slam the other person stabbing them in the butt
@@moonlightning8269 Can confirm. Been helping people with Rennala the other day to farm a few more levels and she does this a lot, even with her laser-beam magic attack sometimes.
This video is great, and I think struggling with Margit is absolutely fine. Spot on analysis of why he is a hard boss. I would say that he is even harder than Papa Gas Can, who still got me a couple times on my first BB run. He actually does players a favor though. If you heed his lessons and learn to manage your stamina and time rolls well, the rest of the game is a lot easier.
I found out that people had a really hard time with Margit after I beat him, which made me feel really accomplished. It was hard for me too and I was just about to look up a guide when I finally did it and I'm glad I didn't give up.
@@GenDrake3 I watched my friend on discord using rogier and failing for nearly an hour, then I reminded him of the jellyfish, he destroyed Margit. In my first playthrough I decided to go with the wolves and never try the jellyfish, didn't know rogier was there as well, took me a long ass time, don't know what level I was when I beat him, since I started at level 1. It's the jellyfish. It's too powerful against Margit, the contrast between my friend with and without the jellyfish was night and day
It took me 6 hours to beat Margit and I did so by learning the timing of his moves and parrying him into submission. I started to notice the little details of his attacks, such as how his longer windups usually end with a step of the foot or a final swing back into the hit. Looking back on my fight and all the different ways you can defeat Margit, I’m starting to think I took a sort of brute force route
i saw that fromsoftware improved a lot its enemies AI, a lot say that it's panic but some mini bosses actally get more aggresive when low health, and who plays with a spell build can see when his enemy decides not to let you have time to shoot after that last 10% health
Margit's only big openings are when he jams his cane into the ground or does that big jumping attack with his hammer. Every other time he'll pull out the daggers if you try to pressure him.
There are quite a few more. The spin-combo mentioned at 5:30 can be provoked by just keeping some range and can be punished after dodging the second swing. It's quite the same for godrick. You can get both of those to do lunging attacks (including the one with the hammer you mentioned) that leave rather big openings.
The daggers teach you to use a shield for quick attacks. They're timed so that you can't roll them cause you'll get hit by the second. But you can block them trivially and then guard counter. If you're going two handed it's a much bigger issue, though.
Been out of TH-cam for a whole while and gotta tell you, i've missed on Pat, the way he unpretentiously almost made me cry at this ending really got me. Great mfking guy
Me: *will never be interested in playing Eldin Ring* Pat: Let me talk to you about my experience with fighting this boss in Elden Ring! Me: yesss do go on
Day 3 of the war with Margit. I have only just gotten to his second phase. I must have died at least 150 times to him already, most likely 200. I recently acquired a pretty strong two-handed axe from some reptile guy in the far south of the map, and a medallion which gives me extra hp. “Margaret” relentlessly mows through me like a knife through butter. His second phase isn’t too hard. But you know what is? THE GODDAM BRIDGE. I KEEP FALLING OFF THE BRIDGE BECAUSE IM TOO LOCKED IN ON HIS STAFF or whatever it is AND ITS GOT TO HAVE MADE UP AT LEAST 50 OF MY DEATHS the stuff in the way of the battlefield doesn’t help either. I dodgeroll, hit an object and get my bootycheeks absolutely clapped by “Margherita”. Worst part is I was only a few R1’s away from beating him, 3 heals left, everything’s going great, this is the run, and then I fall off and die. 💀 Sorry for making you read all that
When I finally understood the whole switching target thing mid combo in coop, it was a big revelation for me. Honestly it's such cool design that you can't just relax because you don't appear to have aggro and you actually have to observe bosses attacks that aren't even directed at you. The funny thing is that due to the hitboxes some attacks may even be more difficult to avoid if you are coming from the side or the back as a phantom.
As a fighting game player, I love how often fighting game terminology/comparisons get used when talking about the bosses in Elden Ring. It really does feel like you're playing a fighting game a lot of the time.
I got so mad at Margit after he killed me like 25 times in a row, that the time I was able to fight him again as Morgott, I level'd up to like 100 just so I could put HIS foolish ambitions to rest He didn't stand a chance, killed him with like 5-6 waves of Taker's Flames. God, I love Blasphemous Blade
@@whydoiexist2180 I skipped the Raging Wolf set, that's what I skipped My inner loot-goblin is disappointed. In NG+ I'm literally gonna talk to everyone everytime I move a single inch on the map. In can't endure both the loss of Rogier and that armor set. My life is just pain. Immense pain.
Margit was an insanely tough fight early on And SPOILER ALERT When Margit showed up later in the Altus Plateau I got both confused and a bit excited, like hey, a rematch
And yet despite having levelled up, killing many many more bosses and getting an extremely powerful weapon, the FEAR I felt when I saw a servant turn into him, it was like looking up and seeing a meteor the size of the moon about to hit earth, before proceeding to get my ass handed to me on a golden platter
I adapted by playing a caster with rot, bleed and a fuckload of health. Thank you Fromsoft for teaching me to stay away and avoid any attempt to parry or engage melee with enemies.
I managed to put off Margit for a while unintentionally, and when I came back to Limgrave had reached a decent level for the fight. Add in a little cheesing with my lone wolves summon and the Sorcerer Rogier right next to the boss area, and I had a much easier time than I felt I deserved based on my skill level lol. I'm struggling to find a new area that I feel well-equipped for right now.
That's not cheesing. Cheesing is when you start exploiting on purpose by doing things that weren't intended in boss fights.. You're just using the tools the game provides. Exploiting a broken weapon because mechanics, that's cheesing.
Margit is both a fantastic teacher and a great troll from time to time. Also, his animations and adaptability are on another planet. This boss have just a big charisma coming from all of that. This little duellist dance/staring contest realy have a western vibe. Truly an amazing boss, I've loved being beaten nearly 50 times by that old goat !
It's my first souls game and he obviously clapped me so I went out and leveled, killed some bosses (Tree Sentinel. Erdtree Avatar, etc) and then I was level 25 and spent like 3 hours fighting him alone until I gave in and just summoned Rogier and the wolves. I'm a bit disappointed I couldn't do it myself but I got him like 10 hp a few times and decided I just wanted it over with.
The jellyfish summon does help somewhat in this fight as he eventually poisons Margit. Unfortunately, I eventually run out of health packs and am unable to survive long enough to finish him off. Took about an hour to beat him...
Dude just keep exploring the map and fight other bosses and do quests and when you think you are ready you go and beat his ass i got him first try i think i level 30 and had a graftef sword so it was easy
As someone experienced with the soul series, I am honestly surprised by this boss. I thought it was going to be a run of the mill standard fight, but his windups are just so absurdly long I had to adopt a new strategy that was completely foreign to me. Bloodborne ingrained in me the 'dodge and hit', literally every attack you could just dodge out the way and smack with an exception of a few combos you had to watch out. Dark souls 3 also had a steady rhythm, it had some mixups but they were just slight delays and combos. I would never attack any enemy DURING a windup, unless I was directly behind them and I knew they would miss. In front of an enemy though? I would literally stand in front of Margit during those long windup animations like a doofus waiting for his attack. After 10 deaths of using most of my healing before the 2nd phase, I thought "Maybe I should attack during those windups?". I don't know, it was really weird getting the hang of as my instinct would be to just wait and dodge lol
I think Margit was hard because I had to unlearn the Bloodbourne in me. He stalls his attacks so I have to actually learn his patterns, parrying was never something I've gone for in this game because it isn't as easy and I don't have the dual weapon type system. This was a good tutorial for me. So much so that I blasted through most of the other early game bosses.
Margit struggler here, beat Godrick first try with the help of two strong finger-bros, thinking I would struggle as much as I did with Margit. Not so. It wasn’t easy, but not even the same ballpark. Very interesting to see how players experience the game so differently. Makes me excited for more play-throughs!
Definitely a different experience for everyone. I beat him Solo, No Damage, No Parry, No Upgrades, Uchigatanas, No Ashe of War Buffs, No Talismans, No Consumables, No Spirit Ashes, and using the base Soul Level 9 Samurai class. Here you go: th-cam.com/video/b1hQRPDrHT4/w-d-xo.html
Primarily I feel like he's there to teach players that this isn't another dark souls game and punish them for ignoring all of the open world content. Before you ever really need to engage with Margit you have access to a huge open world with a tremendous amount of resources that you can plunder. Limgrave, Weeping Peninsula, Caelid, Liurnia of the Lakes, Raya Lucaria Academy, Atlas Plateau and Safira River are all accessible before you ever need to fight Margit. I am a souls vet and tried to approach this as a souls game, and it quickly became apparent that Margit isn't just a skill check, he's testing how well you've been able to leverage the open world to your favor. I left and came back 10 hours later with dual +9 Bloody Slash uchigatanas, 1200 health, 8 +4 flasks and his shackles and he suddenly felt like a proper dark souls intro boss.
A big thing to remember to do is to use the Jelly ashes. If you can get that and use Rogier, the 3-way aggro pull makes it near impossible for him to focus on someone long enough to get a kill.
I think the reason they made Margit more difficult than the average first souls boss because of the open world. The game introduces easier bosses through exploration and by the time you clear those optional bosses, you'll probably be strong enough to withstand a lot of Margit's attacks. I think this was intended. It's basically like FromSoft saying "Yea, you could fight Margit, but there's a giant open world for you to explore so why don't you do that first... unless you're ready for hours of deaths" lol.
1:40 I've never thought about it before, but yeah! Almost every souls game has an early boss that is in a narrow rectangle. Ds1 had tarus demon, ds2 had persuer, ds3 had Vordt, and bb had cleric beast. It's just another fromsoft staple I guess, like dragons in early areas!
The delayed attacks is the reason why I didn’t like Elden rings combat at first because I’m use to making those split second decisions that shooters and bloodborne requires of me.
Margit being slow makes him a really good contrast to the Capra Demon, who I'm assuming occupies a similar point in the game. Because the Capra Demon's thing is that he'll kill you so quickly you won't even be able to register what hit you.
As a FS veteran, I find Margit interesting as I believe he is one of FS hardest and easiest first bosses. Hardest because if you go to him immediately he is incredibly hard but if you go exploring first (as I believe FS wants you to do) he gets easier. Other than DS2, other soulsborne games don’t give you an opportunity to do anything before the first boss (such as with Iudex Gundyr and Asylum demon), so it’s awesome that you can either throw yourself at margit making him super hard or exploring, increasing your skills and your level.
@@feffy380 that's the point though: there's way more to do than just blindly follow the path, and if you do you're probably going to have a rough time.
Beat him Solo, No Damage, No Parry, No Upgrades, Uchigatanas, No Ashe of War Buffs, No Talismans, No Consumables, No Spirit Ashes, and using the base Soul Level 9 Samurai class. ;) Here you go: th-cam.com/video/b1hQRPDrHT4/w-d-xo.html
I beat Margit using a single NPC summon and spamming Rock Sling. I also beat Godrick using Rock Sling spam, truly a great spell for the start of the game.
Rock sling is definitely one of the best spells both early and late. I beat him Solo, No Damage, No Parry, No Upgrades, Uchigatanas, No Ashe of War Buffs, No Talismans, No Consumables, No Spirit Ashes, and using the base Soul Level 9 Samurai class. Here you go: th-cam.com/video/b1hQRPDrHT4/w-d-xo.html
It’s debatable whether “string theory” is good or not. I’ve noticed healing at the end of a combo is a lot less safe than ds3, as that sometimes trigger immediate aggro. But the question is, when is it reliably safe to heal?
As far as im aware, his full charged overhead attack is the only move that is 100% safe to punish. He can mix you up after every other one of his attacks.
My only gripe is when especially in phase 2, he does a long ass string (typically started with fast gold longsword strike), chaining 10 delayed/roll-catching swings only to trigger his back-jump at the end, denying you a counter attack (as melee), because he restarts into another attack string if you approach.
There's a sizeable amount of bosses in Elden Ring that input-read to punish chugging, as long as you're in range. The Godskins are VERY blatant about it, Crucible Knights as well, while many others do it less consistently, but you will notice the trend after a few tries. I actually find Margit relatively lenient about heal punishing. In all of these cases, you're only safe to heal in two situations. You can run WAY far away to heal, giving time for the animation lock to end even if the boss still tries to punish you, or heal at the end of the attack combo, during the time you'd usually hit the boss. You have to stay calm and survive until an opportunity to recover happens. Panic chugging is punished just as hard as panic rolling in this game.
You can breeze through him by baiting out jump attacks. I beat him Solo, No Damage, No Parry, No Upgrades, Uchigatanas, No Ashe of War Buffs, No Talismans, No Consumables, No Spirit Ashes, and using the base Soul Level 9 Samurai class. Here you go: th-cam.com/video/b1hQRPDrHT4/w-d-xo.html
it was funny that you were speaking about aaaall of that, that I completely forgot his second phase until you mentioned at the end of the video, like "oh, right, you still need to learn phase 2 as well"
After struggling so much my first time through, and having an easier though still difficult second time, this video was exactly what I was looking for. Knowing what exactly made Margit challenging is so interesting!
Once you learn to properly bait his jump attacks it can become much easier. I beat him Solo, No Damage, No Parry, No Upgrades, Uchigatanas, No Ashe of War Buffs, No Talismans, No Consumables, No Spirit Ashes, and using the base Soul Level 9 Samurai class. Here you go: th-cam.com/video/b1hQRPDrHT4/w-d-xo.html
Margit was where I finished playing Elden Ring. I beat him, but it took forever and ultimately I decided it just wasn't an experience I would enjoy. Props to those who knocked him out first try, though.
He's actually the biggest speed bump I've come across so far, and I think I'm maybe halfwayish into it now (hard to tell but there's a list of big baddies you get at some point and I've got half of them down). Beating him basically shows you've got the chops to get through the rest of it, although I've heard there's a couple of tough gits out there. If you get really stuck pump points in faith and spam fireballs and lightning!
@@robertdaykin1661 have you beat it yet ? Im literally terried of the rhadan guy I think he towards the end I hope I’m strong enough to beat em when I see em
Okay there seems to be two kinds of people in the world: people who struggled with Margit, and people who struggled with Godrick. WHICH ARE YOU?
I definitely struggled more with Margit, I had to go out and do a bunch of leveling in the open world before I could take him. I went on a pretty straight shot to Godrick right after that and it was tough but I definitely felt like I had the Learning to beat him, whereas Margit had more of a curve for me. - Simone
Struggled with BOTH
I found Margit much easier than Godrick because I only ran into Margit after exploring a ton (i ended up being around level 28)
For me Margit was definitely harder, but I guess I was already prepared for Godrick after him.
godrick, but i used a jellyfish on margit so it doesn't count. godrick was 1v1 and it took like 5 or 6 tries?
I'm proud to say I have never once died to Margit. That may of course have something to do with the fact that I don't own Elden Ring but still.
Gigachad. XD
'They had us in the first half not gunna lie'
That's a pro gamer strat right there.
LMAO
Hold on you’re lowkey onto something
One thing I always love about Souls teacher-bosses is that they always have 2 phases.
Phase 1 is "Here is a boss specifically designed to teach you how to fight in a Souls game" (And in Elden Ring, that gets extended to "Here is a boss specifically designed to force you to learn how the game wants you to interact with the world).
Phase 2 is "Eat shit and die."
Gundyr's phase 2 is the champ. Change my mind.
Facts tho. It’s a good thing this boss is so much harder otherwise you’d ignore the rest of the open world.
Player: "Why are you smiling, Souls boss?"
Souls boss: "I am not left handed."
"Well im not left handed either"
@@jimijenkins2548 What's even better is when he comes back as Champion Gundyr for a late game skill test. Ready to teach you another lesson in pain.
Best thing about the and this boss is you can pretty much decide yourself how difficult encounter Margit is. Knowing I could had just overlevel, -gear and abuse summons to easily defeat him but instead decided to use HOURS learning his moves, patterns and bashing my head against to wall ust to beating him using 2handed club without a shield. It was love/hate relationship at its best.
I totally agree. I spent 5 hours trying to learn his movents. The most dificult part is when he has lass than 20% of his life and his attacks become more ramdom e frenquent... Really hard...
@@Hugoaction Agree. Best thing I noticed is. At 20% health you shouldn't attack him.
He seem to be programmed to punish small trade after 50% health, especially after 20%. You need to hit him as he *charging* big attack. Not when he *just* ended his combo.
For that reason I made a new character. My initial one is lv. 230-ish and the game had lost it's flavor. I mean, I love buildcrafting but the way it works in this game is once you have a strong build, the unique properties of all the cool bosses can and will be ignored. I've never really figured Margit out until yesterday. It Took me 90 minutes to beat him because first time I had help from Rogier and the jelly, 2nd time I was OP in NG+1.
Problem with elden ring
@@tnl-warrior3218 skill issues pests I beat him with a club 3rd try🗿🍷
Delayed attacks that punish panic rolling and an AI that knows to use knife throws when you're about to heal also add to its difficulty as well.
Genichiro in Sekiro had a super exploitable version of this: whenever you went to heal in certain phases it would trigger a long-distance thrusting attack, designed to remove your recovered health and then some. BUT, if you put yourself at just the right distance you would have time to heal and then immediately Mikiri Counter the attack, allowing you to both regain health AND do a solid chunk of both posture and vitality damage. I'm loving Elden Ring, but I kinda miss that dance-like style of attack and deflect that Sekiro mastered.
Not only that he also punish you for being greedy or Impatient just when you thought you could get a extra attack in or when you thought he finish his combo that’s when you let your guard down and take a beating.
It's actually input reading. The boss chooses attacks that will likely mess with you by delaying the animation if it sees you rolling during the wind up.
yup. love elden ring but its boss design is textbook definition of a pathetically annoying boss.
@@bootstrap925 tell me you're maidenless without telling me you're maidneless.
Showed up at level 15, went "Oh, I hit this dude for a drop in the pot, he slaps me for half my health."
Then I left and did everything else and came back at level 40 with +3 sippy and +5 weapon and put his foolish ambitions to rest.
Sippy is key
@@eldendoge2302 Dawg nobody cares, stop posting this shit on multiple comments. You could beat him with bare fists if you were dedicated enough, that doesn't mean anyone wants to do that shit
@@eldendoge2302 you're so hard-core. Very mlg of you
Level 40!
@@eldendoge2302 "soul level 9" rofl try rune level 1 as the wretch.
Here’s some lore reasons why as well: he has been protecting the erdtree as margit since the wars, and he was able to whoop the ass of General Radahn, the man who could stop the stars.
You're kidding? No way, MARGIT beats GENERAL RADAHN, the guy who meteor drops you like he's Madara Uchiha?
@@jaredgreathouse3672 radahn was half his current size and he didn’t even have his signature swords, in the painting
@@jaredgreathouse3672 he didn't beat the general Radhan we know. he beat younger Radhan when he was human sized
Well, he manage to beat Radahn who at that time hasn't reached his prime and being twice the size as he is right now.
If that is the case then he wouldn't be the best fitting for first boss
I've said to a friend that the Limgrave is like a mini-Breath of the Wild, and you can charge Margit (Ganon) as soon as you'd like, but its better to search the corners of the map and find tools you need to handle him. Limgrave was designed to have this giant obstacle in Margit, to encourage the player away from rushing straight through the plot bosses and get them to explore the world more. I think the whole game is brilliantly designed, but you can really tell how much thought and planning went into the first area.
I watched a streamer that hates exploration and open world games play through it. Instead of exploring and buffing up, he just kept trying to beat Margit again and again, until he succeeded after like ten hours of attempts
I'm playing as a Wretch on my first playthrough. Went to bash my head against the wall that is Margit after what I thought was enough prep time. Got close a few times but eventually gave up. Literally just got some flask upgrades and the physick flask and took him out in two tries afterward. Sometimes you just need a tiny edge.
I had a friend who did this and it was WILD to watch. I was just sitting there with my mouth shut tight trying not to backseat game, and screaming in my head "JUST WALK AWAY!!!! THERE'S 30 HOURS OF CONTENT IN THE EARLY GAME JUST EXPLORE IT!!!" He did get him in the end, and I think it's pretty cool that the game supports such different playstyles. - Simone
It’s honestly not that surprising from a Fromsoft game that the opening area is the best designed. That pretty much always happens as they (in my opinion rightfully) put their best foot forward to offer a great impression of their games. The more rare thing is the fewer number of areas in Elden Ring where design falls to the wayside which is unfortunately another hallmark of Fromsoft games
@@ShaggyDemiurge I really tried to beat him my first go without giving up. I even did the first phase no hit but the second he pulls out his magic hammer and sword there was no chance for me.
tip for killing him: dodge his attacks and hit him until he dies
Tip for killing him: try not to die.
Try fingers, but hole.
Just dodge, forehead.
@@bizmonkey007 tip for killing him: make him die
Man it amazes me how few people realize all you need to do to beat literally any boss is hit them until their hp hits 0! Kills em everytime!
A FromSoft game, Bruce Lee, fighting game concepts; this is truly the Dark Souls of Pat Gill videos.
and a piss joke too
@@cinnamon_shakes And not any piss joke but the specific reference to the specific video we know pat likes
I detected absolutely no wrestling references, so he's not quite unleashed 100% of his power.
@@cinnamon_shakes straight up thought i had a pat vod in another tab
@@Tentetnikov69 idk what you're talking about, when he was describing Margit's combo strings it was like i was right back in the Monster Factory Monster Mania
I just love his phase two transition dialogue that's goes, "ah, thou art of passing skill," IDK why I just think it's a huge flex because anyone new to the game will immediately get the confidence they built up through phase one pushed straight back in.
he recognizes you and go to "I'm serious now" mode
Haha agreed! It's like he's all 'oh, yes, well done kiddo, very good' and then just kicks you through a window. Thanks Margit!
If you take what he says literally, it means, "you have practiced." Truly, it's more of a subtle question, "have you spent enough time practicing/leveling to beat me?" This does a great job planting a seed in the mind of players to guild them towards growing. You become primed to WANT to become skilled/leveled enough. It's wonderfully done.
Even more passing skill. Beat him Solo, No Damage, No Parry, No Upgrades, Uchigatanas, No Ashe of War Buffs, No Talismans, No Consumables, No Spirit Ashes, and using the base Soul Level 9 Samurai class. ;)
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@@eldendoge2302 I don't care about your boasts or brags. You are quite boorish.
I hate long wind-ups. Especially ones that have arbitrary wind-up times for the seemingly same starting moves, and keeps you guessing which it is. Combine that with one-shot/fast combo/stunlock, and there you go, a recipe for anger.
Everything I hate in one comment
yeah they fkin over-used that in most of the bosses I feel, it kind of encourages the players to just use ash summons to distract the boss then spam magic/ranged attacks, which just makes most fights trivial
Yes.
@@Afflictamine but you dont have to use summon ashes......... and if someone does who cares, i did for a few bosses.
@@Kalashboy420 Someone else said it but I'll paraphrase:
Dark Souls gave us PvP - you can summon people to help you fight a boss. This gave you an additional body that can distract the boss, but in exchange the boss gain health boost. Spirit Ashes is an ingame design where you can summon without having to go PvP. They give you same benefit of summons without giving the bosses extra health. As a result, Elden Ring has to balance the bosses around the fact you have Spirit ashes available. This explains why this game has so many annoying multi-gank bosses, and why some of the late game enemies are so tanky in comparison to previous Souls games.
Yes, you can beat the game without summoning them. And yes you can beat said gank bosses without them. But you can't escape the fact their existence has affected the game design in some way.
As an aside, this same argument, exists for lootbox games. Lootboxes affect the design of say...Diablo Immortals. Can you play the game without buying lootboxes? Sure. Does the existence of lootboxes affect the game drops? Almost certainly.
It’s kinda funny how even though Morgott is a much harder fight than Margit, but people will usually spend way longer fighting Margit. It makes sense, people will be more used to the game and way more appropriately levelled by the time they reach Morgott, but it’s still kinda interesting to think about.
Yeah for a first “story” boss he’s punishing as hell. Even after exploring half of limgrave and leveling up his delayed strikes still threw me for a loop lol. Badass character tho
Also, it's easier to get to morgott with a decent level that makes the fight easier, as he's at a point of the game where you have access to a lot of side content to upgrade your stuff. With margitt many people will go unprepared and underlevel so they won't be able to tackle him
Easy trick: Beat Morgott so you don’t have to fight Margit!
Same with Crucible Knight! He’s so tough in the evergaol, but once you see him out in the world it’s like “oh, that guy again?”
I like the margit rematch outside leyndell, no boss music, just margit testing you to see how far you've come.
and how far I had come was quite astonishing, apparently. he's probably my favourite boss fight so far.
also inb4 morgott = margit
The beginning of Elden Ring almost feels like a red herring or a mean trick. You do the tutorial and the game says follow the light of the grace and almost makes you take a linear path. That path leads to Margit who beats your ass. Like he's meant to be saying, "What are you doing here? It's an open world game! Go explore and face me when your stronger!" It's okay to leave a boss fight and come back later if you are having trouble. You'll be less stressed about the game. I promise.
this is a good message!!
One thing that I learnt by playing for around 30 hours in Limgrave (I like to explore a lot and loot everything) is that Limgrave area is a huge tutorial, you got Forlorn Hound Evergaol that you learn there how to dodge attacks and dive in, then you got the Crucible Knight in another Evergaol you learn how to break stance and time your attacks (this one I just gave up after so many tries), you have an initial cave and an initial catacomb and initial ruins, in the cave you learn that you can have resources and smithing stones and the catacombs you'll learn how to solve puzzles, the ruins tell you that there's something lootable there. So a massive tutorial without teaching you anything, it just clicks after a while and you understand how FromSoftware wants you to play the game. If you cannot master Limgrave's lessons fully, you'll have a hard time going forward.
@@drstrangel0ve I think it’s the greatest thing about fromsoft design and mastered with Elden Ring. It’s like a chest match where it value your experience, experimentation and persistence. If you can do the same thing over and over and find success, you’re not doing anything but a chore. By letting players find out for themselves how they want to beat an obstacle with various tools they gave, you’re actually playing a game. Imagine picking up a basketball and trying to hoop for the first time. It’s not easy getting the basket, but eventually you actually get decent at putting the balls in the basket. That’s the reward for game in real life, and it’s the same here. By making it difficult, it’s rewarding and respecting player’s choices along the way. There are still certain things you have to learn to play the game like dodging and learning move. But just like basketball, you have to dribble with your hands and not your feet. If it doesn’t jive with you then ain’t no shame in that. I don’t do sim racing either and I’m particularly bad at guitar hero. It’s not the game fault that I suck at using all of my fingers. It might just not be for me.
@@drstrangel0ve That is a fascinating observation. I think I just decided to run Limgrave again really thoroughly on an alt, make sure I didn't miss any of the curriculum. Thanks for the idea!
but if you managed the stress and overcome the fight anyways, you feel awesome! stop being afraid of discomfort, everybody.
It took me like two or three days to beat him and then I beat Goodrich in three tries. Margit managed to become my favorite character in the game so far though. The omens are so cool
what lvl were u
Margit was an excellent teacher to me too, helped me understand Godrick without even knowing it
Margit wasn't too hard for me, I was going mage so everything has felt like easy mode
My problems came when I reached Rennala
3 tries?!?!?!???
@@khaiuschill310 I have beaten both Rennala and Radahn in three tries each but I have died at least a 1000 times to crucible knights.
Margit really is the culmination of Fromsoft design. Its probably why I can't stop playing this game, even though there are still some bosses that arent perfect, Margit is a boss that just feels like Fromsoft really loves to kill us, and that warms my heart.
Based comment and yes quite a perturbing wholesome feeling
hear hear, the question is....why do we love to die so much (ala play these games)
@@justinskidmore9677 It’s really not a love of dying, but moreso about conquering the thing that keeps killing us. Though dying is a major part of getting to that feeling, its not the part we enjoy.
Margit is both a fantastic teacher and a great troll from time to time. Also, his animations and adaptability are on another planet. This boss have just a big charisma coming from all of that. This little duellist dance/staring contest realy have a western vibe. Truly an amazing boss, I've loved being beaten nearly 50 times by that old goat !
Margit is such a beautifully cruel “first boss.” He reminds me of Owl, Father with his start-ups and how he adapts to the player.
nothing similar
I feel like the reason that I died so many times to this fairly predictable boss is because I'd come close to winning, get greedy, die, sloppily rush the fight again in frustration, get close again, die again.
me to
@@JohnSmith-kn5xx lol the last 3 hits on these bosses are always the most dangerous to pull off.
@@mRibbons I literally killed Margit the same time he killed me 😂 I missed the dialogue but I was so happy I killed him lol
@@thefirsttrillionaire2925 nice! When I beat the old goat I nearly called my mom to tell her I'm not a failure.
The Curse of Greed. I know it well Brother.
One thing that always hold true so far in my journey in Elden Ring is that stronger and bigger the foe, you roll *forward* not back. My instinct always makes me run back, and the game never fails to punish that.
Life Lessons
forward or through tends to be the best bet. like if a horizontal swing is coming at you from the right, roll in that direction. another great example is the godskin noble's rolling move. you have to roll directly into it, as counterintuitive as it may seem
You can also jump clean over a lot of low horizontal swipes, which is something I only learned like 50h into the game XD
@@Sazed0 i learned that through old monster hunter. When i went from mh to ds1 i found the game so much easier than many other cause of it
It's the same for every Souls game
margit is like this because Elden ring is going to be the first souls game alot of people played, you need a boss that teaches players the collective knowledge of 6 other souls games in the span of 2 phases, it punishes getting greedy, it teaches you to be mindful of your arena, it teaches you the extent of your dodge and how you can memories an attack to learn the best way to dodge, it teaches you whats a general safe distance for healing and time intensive actions with his slow walk speed, he even teaches you to sometimes take a break because you might be under leveled or under equipped.
Godrick the golden was the one who really taught me to study thy opponent. He must have kicked my ass 20+ in a row before I actually started studying his moveset. Once I had it down, it felt so satisfying to dodge everything and then smack his hp down to zero.
Ah, but his BS didn't teach me that. It taught me to be happy getting a single hit in if he didn't leap to the other side of the arena. Made for a crap experience.
@@OtherDASWell it's hard to teach someone who isn't willing to learn. That's not the bosses fault
@@Monkeylighthouse There are bad teachers. Get over it. I am more than willing to learn, they did it wrong. Had to go on the iNet for so much.
@@Monkeylighthouseunfortunately that's a lot of people. You see it all the time in more competitive games
Literally beat him two hours ago after starting Elden Ring on day one. I’m a souls newbie and he is the first boss I’ve defeated. I’m so proud of myself. (‘:
Congrats!
Congratulations, its a small step to an additional literal 95% of the game remaining. Not being sarcastic at all.
It's no small achievement if you've never played a Souls game. Well done good Sir!
Congrats, it took me 6 hours and I've probably got 2000 hours in all souls games combined
To be fair i started as wretch and tried him 5h with the club
Be proud of yourself
bro cap lol
He exists as a reality check for souls players new and veteran. ER bosses have AI that are triggered by using flasks, hyper aggressive combos that often can last longer than your stamina bar if you aren't spec'd properly, and possible one shot attacks that wind up for just that little extra amount of time so that you're to roll incorrectly and get knocked.
For anyone that is at their breaking point with this boss there's a spell you can get that will engage him for several seconds and allow you to beat on him. It works only 2 or 3 times before he becomes immune though
Margit's Shackle, it's an item
I used level 3 spirit wolves and a lvl 4 longsword. It was still a close fight, but I prevailed!
There's no honor in that method though.
@@rainingtacos7529nonono, "for honor" is by ubisoft, this is fromsoft, you do what you have to in order to win in here ^^
The cuts to the Jailer Demon were so funny and weirdly endearing. He's doing his best!
I always struggled to understand what people thought so hard about dark souls.. I mean it's fair in every way. This game's bosses simply aren't fair. And I do not like to be forced to take big damage, no matter what ad be forced to upgrade vitality. I NEVER upgrade vitality, plus it increased anyway i old souls games.
@@jojolafrite90 git gud
@@jojolafrite90 Don't care didn't ask
@@jojolafrite90 bed of chaos is not fair
@@jojolafrite90 just level ADP
While getting my ass completely kicked, I couldn't help but notice just how awesome the animation work was for Margit, too. The respect he commanded made the fight all the more satisfying when I finally landed the finishing blow, and the second round even more personal.
I noticed it too. He's so big and scary yet his animations are so fluent and acrobatic. They look amazing, the way he jumps around, denying gravity for a little bit, is so satisfying to me.
Margit, margit 2.0, and Morgott
Oddly enough with all the praise this game has gotten I don't think I've heard enough people talking about just how friggin awesome all of the animations are. They're almost all really spectacular across the board.
@@roboroller83 Exactly! Pretty much every fromsoft game has had some of the most uniquely beautiful animations ive seen, especially in bloodborne and sekiro. The "souls" combat system requires you to closely pay attention to every little movement that the enemies make, so the animation quality must be pumped extra high. Thats definitely the reason ive fallen in love with these games.
Definitely, one of the most fluid and interesting starting bosses in the Soul series. I beat him Solo, No Damage, No Parry, No Upgrades, Uchigatanas, No Ashe of War Buffs, No Talismans, No Consumables, No Spirit Ashes, and using the base Soul Level 9 Samurai class.
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I took me approx 1 hr and a half to beat him at lvl 17. no prior experience with souls game. The first five tries I almost killed him with only a tiny bit of HP left. Then he swings out of nowhere. I spent rest of the hour trying to beat margit Because I got impatient and greedy. This boss taught me a lot of things. For example, learn to swing to his side instead of away from him, when he's winding up an attack and about to dash and slash, I slashed him until he staggers. When he staggers after stabbing him a lot You can perform a visceral attack.
my victory felt quite earned :D
"Visceral attack". Congrats, you just inadverdently described the name of critical hit in Bloodborne :D
@@El_FzEq Bloodborne was my first souls game so I got used saying visceral xD
@@lofiz2646 "no prior experience with souls games"
"bloodborne was my first souls game"
what now?
I noticed that this style of boss becomes much easier after watching someone else fight them. Partially because you see new boss patterns if players do different thing, maybe because it's easy to internalize timing without having to play at the same time?
Anyway, the attack string boss with frequent small punish windows is definitely my favorite style in elden rings. I wish they didn't have as many one shot attacks, though.
Challenge kills are often better help than guides. SL1, no rolls, fists only, fastest kills always teach you something new
omg I watched SunhiLegend's Margit fight so many times, it was very educational. - Simone
I ended up watching the streamer grimmz when he was fighting radahn and by the time I got to him I already knew how to dodge all of his combos, so you may have a point there.
Yeah, firstly because I couldn't watch all of his moveset in the 15 seconds I was able to survive.
They have less 1 shot attacks if you keep your vigor at an appropriate level for the area
I fucking adore the Margit fight for so many reasons, helps that he's really cool and has really cool moves etc etc. But I kinda adore how he's basically a thesis statement of the game. Both in the actual rhythm of the combat (slow hitting heavy attacks that punish spam mixed with lighter attacks to throw you off) but also the greater nature of the game. Like you said you don't have to fight him immediately, you can complete the whole game and then fight him for pete's sake. You can look elsewhere, get buffed up, find more powerful friends or you can smash your face against this boss until you break the wall. But it's up to you, the game isn't going to demand you fight him *now*.
What's cool about that is that's the entire game! Everything you need to know about Elden Ring is summarised in the boss and the options you have to face him! That's fucking rad!!!
THIS IS A GOOD COMMENT
This nicely summarises what first boss fights should be, and why Margit is awesome
Whats even cooler is that hes actually optional, there's a secret path around Stormveil to Liurnia if you really cant stand to fight him (I wont say any more about this though - you'll have to find it for yourself)
Can't actually beat the game and come back, because it implies beating Morgott and if you beat Morgott, Margit won't be a boss anymore and you won't be able to find him.
@@revlismorningstar825 the funny thing with that, is that speedrunners found a way to get into Farum Azula early, and defeating the area boss changes the capital. So you don't even need to fight Morgott. Of course, this exploit will be patched out eventually.
First, I needed to Margit good, then I Morgott good
I like that
I felt SO BAD when I kept getting crushed by Margit early on. "I beat Gael, Midir, and Isshin, why is this guy fucking me up so badly?" This is a really good breakdown, especially on how his strings vary it up to punish fear and predictable behavior. I felt a little bad when I got him using jellyfish poison, but now I use ashes on every boss and don't feel bad in the slightest. (fuck you hoarah.....)
Same, i will just call for my summons when i'm not feeling like taking a beating that day...that is until Malenia throw my craps out of the window. Her is a rare occasion that makes me dedicated to solo her with the long sword i picked up from some soldier dude in the early game, and managed to do so after 3 days (yes i'm casual), partly because she made me pretty salty in a first few attempts. In the end, she became an enjoyable melee fight for me.
And then margit just fucked me over again on my new character because i'm so used to malenia's speed
ikr, i was thinking like, bitch, i beat Orstein and smough, i beat Nameless King, i beat Midir, Gael, Isshin, Demon of hatred, and all other hard soulslike boss, and you wouldn't give me problem bitch, but nope i'm absolutelly getting destroy by this guy
@@hlongvn4258 Hey, nice work! She definitely makes you learn the dodge timings, since blocking is so bad against her. Glad you found her fun (she was a nightmare for me, haha)
Most bosses in my opinion are easier to fight solo (not hating on summons here love them to bits really) but a good chunk of the bosses swap their target so seamlessly that I end up taking massive hits to the face. I love the fact that they designed the bosses from the ground up to be fought in a group.
Adapting is definitely an important lesson that Margit teaches you! Example: when Margit does that agonizingly long cane windup (you know the one), I started backing up to make him charge me and do his double spin because it was easier for me to consistently time my dodge roll to that than to his close up swing.
Every little advantage helps. Don't fight fair. Use pocket sand.
My pocket sand was Rotten Stray Ashes.
On my blind run I found a chest that teleported me to what I thought was endgame hell. I lost all my souls, died a shitload, but found Rotten Stray after a long grudge match to get out of the mine.
Then I fought him with the dog and watched as his HP eventually started to liquefy.
@@ivorymantis1026 do rotten stray ashes have that same bug where they do like 50 attacks in one animation like the flesh version?
If you run around him to your right/his left he will actually miss the downward swing
I actually much prefer going close to bait the slam rather than deal with the double spin, feels like he has more recovery frames on that. The light sword moves he uses on phase 2 remain forever the bane of my existence though. Those multi-hit 'have to roll past or guaranteed roll-catch' attacks make him legit harder than most bosses in the game up until Lleyndell.
yes. i would back up, roll twice to dodge the double swing and you can always get an attack in, and then if you're behind him you can dodge his tail whip to the right and get a single quick attack in as wel
Tip that worked for me: the only fast attack that he does from neutral is also the only upward slash, all his other slower attacks are downward, if he starts to move and does not have his arms raised you need to roll immediatly
I think and important aspect that was missed here is he is designed to teach you the new fight mechanics of elden ring. Using shields, jump attacks, etc. are VERY strong against him!
Jump attack into staggering him was my way to victory. Totally agree.
Stagger, crit, parry, and counterattack is the strategy for most bosses.
I mean, Pat did say this was not a guide to beating him, just an analysis of why he’s so good at killing you. And he was also pretty clear that Margit is like this in order to teach you how the game wants you to fight.
Loyal Bloodborne fan here, probably my fave From project. Never really like using shields even in the Souls trilogy & DS, and with how BB outrightly mocks the usage of shields & encourages aggressive gameplay, I had to completely unlearn my BB habits to win this fight.
Ah, but his BS didn't teach me that. It taught me to be happy getting a single hit in if he didn't leap to the other side of the arena. Mad for a crap experience.
In my quite extensive musical experience, Pat is right. "The slow knife penetrates the fast roll."
That also reminds me of someone who once said the Arkham games' Batman fights are just rhythm games, and there's a lot of truth to that.
every SINGLE time something has a long windup, I roll too early and immediately know I screwed up.
I love his invisible barriers which prevent him from falling off the sides.
2:35 of note, there actually is no wind-up on the dodge animation whatsoever, s start the same moment the roll does. the reason that there *is* an extremely noticeable and sometimes inconsistent-feeling delay between pushing the button and the roll happening is because the roll doesn't start until the button is *released*. a consequence of the decision over a decade ago to put sprint and dodge on the same button, that causes endless frustration to this day as countless players (including me) go "what the fuck i definitely hit roll and my dipshit bonehead character just stood there and got willingly pummeled"
I really like it being on release (although I am just used to it from multiple dark souls games) because on bosses like Margit when they start doing that wind up and you don't know exactly when its going to you you can preemptively hold the dodge button down and release it at the exact moment you see him initiate his attack. Its not very long but there is about half a second in between holding it down and actually starting sprinting where if you release in that time you still do a roll. Its extremely handy for many of the bosses in this game as so many of them love to fuck with your sense of timing by winding up but delaying the swing by just a fraction of a second.
I am so glad I got used to the release being the activation years ago. Makes everything so much easier
It activates on RELEASE!? Okay well that explains a lot of my current playthrough lol
That or accidentally back stepping off of ledges
Its worse than that, you HAVE to momentarily hold before release because of the wait call for directional input. Using a controller with a back paddle occasionally causes a failed input trigger due to the lever shortening the input window.
I've been playing with back paddles for so long now my stupid brain can no longer comprehend there is a B or A button anymore even though I know of this issue.
This video is really, really good! I would love to see more boss breakdowns like this, they're so, so instructive, and so rare. Most videos about bosses just focus on a single move, or just pointing you towards some sort of cheese. There's gotta be a sweet spot between "do this and you barely have to think about it" and "i dunno man, just git gud".
Within the first, like, 3 tries, I could already tell he was pulling some shenanigans, with those combo extensions _and_ some variable timings as well. The big vertical windup that's comically long? It's perfectly timed to catch you if you roll, realise the attack still hasn't come out, panic, and roll again. But then I tried circle strafing it, and margit just.... kept holding the attack and trying to track me. Eventually, he just gave up? It was really weird and frustrating, finding out that there just wasn't a window for punishment there. It looks like such a _huge_ commitment!
Here is a good example of tackling him without being hit using starting everything and no buffs. I beat him Solo, No Damage, No Parry, No Upgrades, Uchigatanas, No Ashe of War Buffs, No Talismans, No Consumables, No Spirit Ashes, and using the base Soul Level 9 Samurai class. ;)
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When i defeated him I felt a joy I've never felt in my 14 years of bring alive. This game truly makes you suffer for a short period of happiness
Guess that makes this game my wife. :D
@@anthonypedraza3017 Uhhh you wanna talk about it bud?
@@justinbrown8214 I mean I don't want to be that guy but
Ranni👀👀
@@ultimateewa2168 ranni gives you a sword for marriage, hell yeah
Personally I've feel dirty for having finished him with firebombs while he was focused on wolves. Feels like cheating :/
Another thing that you didn't bring up that ought to be mentioned is how he handles more defensive playstyles. Slow windups and dodge rhythm dont matter as much if you block his attacks instead of dodge.
However, his summoned weapons deal magic damage which you are unlikely to get 100 percent damage negation against at that point, so turtling up will end up into a battle of attrition your unlikely to win.
And he has a specific attack to deal big damage after your guard gets broken, forcing you to learn good stamina management if you dont want to get punished.
That attack after breaking your guard can be dodge rolled surprisingly. Just need to buffer the dodge.
If you are only getting damaged by the magic attack through blocks and playing perfectly you can win attrition war. You have 5 flasks he doesn't.
That’s kind of another way he encourages you to explore. One of the items you can find in Limgrave is the Haligdrake Talisman, which reduces Holy damage (like from Margit's golden weapons)!
Me: tries to think of good joke
Brain: Put these foolish ambitions to rest
Put these foolish ambitions to rest.
"No! This is Patrick!" *slams phone down angrily*
Yea, Brian is no longer with Polygon, he's doing his own thing. That was Pat Gil.
Also, his game of waiting an eternity before landing is truly brilliant. You must look at his hands, his eyes, or a movement of elbow to catch the exact moment to roll, otherwise it will hit you. Of course it's exagerated to keep it possible, but when fighting you don't fight a dumb AI. You feel like a duellist who's in a psychological fight against a living being, more skillfull and more patient than you. And it's amazing !
I think Margit is intentionally difficult, like the Tree Sentinel, in order to encourage players to go explore elsewhere. If you're getting wrecked by a boss, go fight smaller enemies and do the small dungeons to level up and get some loot that might help make the fight easier.
Even if you explore for awhile and find nothing of great value, leveling up is always valuable because it ALWAYS increases your defense.
The second I entered Limgrave I explored for HOURS because I am an openworld weeb. I loved it. Totally forgot there was even main story bosses. Then after like, 20 hours I got a little bored and went looking for a boss. Killed Margit in about 1 minute, first try. FromSoft has and always will reward exploration and strategic thinking over running and gunning.
This.
Same exact experience. I explored for about 10 hours, found Margit, killed him on first try. The fact that you can just explore and become stronger instead of butting your head against a boss is pure FromSoft genius.
Yep, exactly what I did. He was very easy.
My boyfriend and I also explored but for like...30 hours total maybe? Wiped out some bosses pretty easily, including Starscourge Radahn
@@korbenharrison434 That's not really FromSoft genius that's just kinda open world style in general lol
I spent the majority of my first play through exploring and leveling, I didn’t get to Margot till I was lvl 42, and by then I had a large enough health pool to soak up his damage. I was shocked I managed to beat him first try.
I beat radahn at at lvl 42 😅
I feel sympathetic to that prisoner guy. I know the suffering to endure of dying to Margit's bonk stick over and over again. This is painful to watch, but trust me, after you defeat Margit the victory is sweet and satisfying.
I've noticed something similar with Mohg, in that I'm pretty sure he is designed to frame trap you. His attacks are slow and telegraphed, but its still really easy for a lot of people (myself included) to get hit by them if you aren't used to them. His combos are paced in such a way that panic buffering an input will almost certainly get you smacked around. Its like he was designed to punish panic-mashing. If Margit is the "don't panic" boss, then Mohg is the "don't buffer" boss.
To make things even more unfair: Some bosses and most NPCs do input-reading, meaning they react directly to player inputs, not player movement for example. Some bosses for example can hold their wind-up attack for several seconds, but break that holding immediately when you hit a particular input that they can then punish. You can exploit this in regular enemies, as they are programmed to jump to the side when you shoot an arrow for example, by aiming the arrow to the side of them, making them jump *into* the arrow, but for bosses it's kinda unfair
And they're brothers too
@@insu_na The input reading is mostly to force the players to learn the boss instead of bruteforcing it. Preventing easy heals means you need to learn when the boss is anilocked to heal (same as you would to hit him), so you cant just trade hits, run to heal, repeat. Also its an attempt to prevent ranged cheese.
@@insu_na I don't mind that because in my mind I narrated every boss fight in Elden Ring is a card game duel like Yugioh or MTG or hearthstone.
The boss take an action > They pass the piority to you > you can respond to their previous action however you want > You pass piority back to them so it is now their turn > Repeat untill either of you is dead.
@@insu_na I feel this so much with Godskin apostle throwing his black flame whenever I heal up lol
This boss is easily the most memorable out of all the bosses for me. I went into this game completely blind, other than what I had heard about Malenia being the hardest boss. I still remember the first time I walked into his boss arena. I love everything about his design, from his combat to his voice acting. From Software should be very proud of this boss. He literally teaches you how to play the game. If you are losing to him, you are simply being punished for making mistakes. It is a bit jarring at first, but he teaches you the fundamentals of the combat in Elden Ring. Although I do love Malenia more than Margit, i still feel that Margit is easily the most memorable. Foul Tarnished, ill never forget the first time I heard that. Fucking masterful design all the way down to the core.
To a degree. I managed to kill him last night after farming souls for a bit to level up my vigor and strength. But realised the main difference was I learnt how to roll out of the way of his attacks more consistently so I could put enough hits on him to break his poise, allowing even more attacks. But the thing that irked me about fighting him is he doesn't have a stamina bar or if he does it rarely if ever depletes because he keeps throwing attack after attack at you until he either hits you or your stamina reaches zero from rolling and then he messes you over. Then you have to heal a few times and he he's back at it again. Just feels very cheap, and rarely a fair fight.
Oh I remember him alright after fighting him 30 times but now that I got that moveset downloaded in my brain I get him first try on my other playthroughs
@@GethAndroidHim attacking without almost ever stopping is also on purpose and also teaches you how to play the game. If you find yourself rolling so much you are running out of stamina, then you have faced the exact issue he is trying to teach you. Instead, rolling towards him and using your sprint to place yourself at good angles away from his follow up attacks means you can dodge a lot of hits being close to him and without having to roll through every single attack
The bumper make a huge difference indeed! On literally the best run I’ve had (before beating the boss), i could have easily won, but then just happened to slip off the edge and have to retry like 50 more times😭
On 3 separate occasions fighting Margit, I was within a couple hits of beating him, things were going well, still had some crimson flasks, and I fell off that stupid arena.
6 out of 5 stars! Would recommended!
This is how it is
He's a great boss for that place in the game; specifically placed where you have played long enough to start to properly grasp the mechanics and rhythm of combat, early enough that you can't have reinforced your bad habits, and with each of the standard traits of strong Souls bosses but not too much of any one. For new players he teaches that space, healing, and positioning are all resources you can spend for damage, and that you have to earn them back because they aren't free - his mobility covers most of the arena if he wants, his attacks are wide but still highly positional, his chains are long enough that panic-rolling will be punished, and the daggers means you can't heal without thinking it through. Each of these are bad habits that new players and veterans alike fall into, and you can't beat him if you refuse to change the habits. The high damage combos with switch-ups also means that even very good players are extremely unlikely to beat him the first time they see him, to remind very good players that this isn't the end of a game they are familiar with but the start o one they are not. Btu while he's capable of punishing all of these mistakes and habits, he also leaves a fair amount of openings,commits to long attack chains, and doesn't have all that much health - as long as you understand the game, you don't need to be all that good to win. And because of the open-world design, there are a huge number of things you can do and resources you can gain first, so that if you really are just struggling you can eventually brute-force it, or bypass him completely.
It's very hard to design early-game challenges, and lists of best bosses overly favour the end-game where the game doesn't need to teach and can just test you, but making a strong ,challenging, and educational boss for the early game is a major challenge for any developer. It took ten years for FromSoft to get this good at designing early bosses, and it shows.
beat him today, it took me a total of 8 hours total and i was so pumped once i won
Margit is interesting. I did a maidenless run of stormfront castle as my first run of the game. (I eventually decided after killing godrick that due to a lack of raw weapons and limited weapon reinforcements (and not having the right stats for the unique raw you find) to level up after that point). and discovered that Margit is far more like fighting the dancer early than fighting vort with one exception. The dancer will murder you in one hit no matter what. In a low sl run you grab the dark hand or the deep axe and just go to town on her armor less because you want to win as soon as possible, but Margit is different. Margit deals no damage. even with 10 vigor it takes like 10 of his knives to kill you and his other swings will only do about a third to half your health. He absolutely tickles, but has the same level of complexity as fighting dancer, or champ gundyr, but with none of the bite and this made one major change. It makes this boss really easy to clear even if you don't know what your doing by simply out leveling his damage. By level 25-30 you will simply have more health and more stats than this guy if you distribute a decent number to health and damage. You can get hit by every swing and still win the fight or simply bum rush him with damage before you learn his combos.
Additionally they nerfed being light weight. In elden ring the difference between light and medium weight are miniscule with some reporting that there are no frame differences at all, but this also means that a light roll no longer launches you further giving you more safety against high level bosses. Similarly while you are faster in light weight even that was reduced to the point in which the line in which you are passively fast enough to just walk around a bosses attack (like the dancer of the boreal valley's attacks most of which can actually just be walked around) is much narrower meaning high risk high reward early game building isn't nearly as much of a thing, because you will always want to be riding the 69% line.
The end result is veteran challenge players are getting torn up because when you don't out scale the boss it is like fighting a mid or end game boss right at the beginning, but if you do level up even just a little bit, you can no sell this bosses entire move set and punish him in return.
I was medium class in DS3, went into Pontiff Sulyvahn's boss fight the first time expecting to just tease out his moveset and get a feel for it, and then just ended up killing him first time because I kept circling past his swipes and finding clean openings. Even got a few parries in there during phase two cos he telegraphs so plainly, and the i-frames from the viscerals meant his shadow twin just kept passing through me XD Couldn't believe it.
yeah it almost feels like the daggers are more about cutting off your post cane attack windows. Not a killer, just a little "boop" for trying to go in at the wrong time.
@@polygon Agreed, additionally the one dangerous point with the knives is how margit will punish you every time you try to heal (which means low health which is the time they are actually dangerous). Actually it is tied to the use of any item (they will try to punish inconsequential things like using a item find item or a prism stone as well). The first time i beat them i actually abused this weakness because their patterns are really easy to control and punish if you keep 20-30 throwing knives handy (you can essentially force their jump and charge with ranged attacks after weaving through the knife counter. They seems to want to get into melee after their ranged attack misses) and as a maidenless at the time there was no reason not to fully stock on them.
Slight correction with rolls here. Light, medium and heavy rolls all have the same Iframe roughly 11-13. The difference being the duration of windup and recovery. Fast roll has the shortest period between reaching the s, and the shortest period after the s before you can attack/roll again. Additionally, fastrolls are approximately 10% further in distance.
That being said, Quickstep and Bloodhound Step being applicable to basically every weapon negates how important this is. Oh and Winged Crystal Tear giving you 4.5x more carry weight for 3 minutes lets you go from Overloaded with all of the heaviest equipment in game at 20 Endurance, to Medium Load. Have fun
This is one of the most annoying things about elden ring to me. Early/mid game, levels make a gigantic differences, to the point where it feels almost like an mmo. But end game is almost the opposite. It feels like there is very little difference between a lvl 80 character and a lvl 130 character. The only things that really seems to matter is gear/abilities.
It is pretty impressive how everything else distracts you from how slow and telegraphed those attacks really are
I think that's the big issue most old souls players will have, you come from games where mostly reacting and punishing are done in that order (see what the boss does, avoid, hit), Margit turns the order you are used to (see what the boss does, hit, avoid). If you wait for the opening AFTER his attack, then you get no opening.
Got to just be patient. I beat him Solo, No Damage, No Parry, No Upgrades, Uchigatanas, No Ashe of War Buffs, No Talismans, No Consumables, No Spirit Ashes, and using the base Soul Level 9 Samurai class. ;)
Here you go: th-cam.com/video/b1hQRPDrHT4/w-d-xo.html
As a player at the endgame of Elden Ring right now, Margit is genuinely the most challenging boss fight in the game, I reserve hardest boss fight for bs bosses like Godskin duo and Fire giant but Margit is a genuine fight and he is one of my favourite bosses
Loving this video! I'd love more in-depth breakdowns of challenges like this!
Thank ya! I was so excited when Pat pitched this. I'll let him know you liked it. - Simone
If you want to take the difficulty a step up there are some interesting challenge runs. I beat him Solo, No Damage, No Parry, No Upgrades, Uchigatanas, No Ashe of War Buffs, No Talismans, No Consumables, No Spirit Ashes, and using the base Soul Level 9 Samurai class. Also, what is the pfp from?
Here you go: th-cam.com/video/b1hQRPDrHT4/w-d-xo.html
I can definitely agree that Margit switches targets mid combo bc I did coop on him and managed to save my teammate by drawing his attention mid combo to buy him time to chug a flask instead of getting wiped next hit. Was a super fun and hard fight even with another player
Been doing a fair bit of coop and actually most bosses can switch mid combo, even simpler ones. Sometimes even single attacks with long windups they will be facing someone else with their arms raised and then turn around and slam the other person stabbing them in the butt
@@moonlightning8269 Can confirm. Been helping people with Rennala the other day to farm a few more levels and she does this a lot, even with her laser-beam magic attack sometimes.
This video is great, and I think struggling with Margit is absolutely fine. Spot on analysis of why he is a hard boss. I would say that he is even harder than Papa Gas Can, who still got me a couple times on my first BB run. He actually does players a favor though. If you heed his lessons and learn to manage your stamina and time rolls well, the rest of the game is a lot easier.
I found out that people had a really hard time with Margit after I beat him, which made me feel really accomplished. It was hard for me too and I was just about to look up a guide when I finally did it and I'm glad I didn't give up.
Same here! I did it fairly easily, my first time at least.
Bruh I killed him first try at level 20 with the jellyfish. Still confused as to why people get destroyed by him. He is so easy
Really easy to predict his moves as well
@@GenDrake3 I watched my friend on discord using rogier and failing for nearly an hour, then I reminded him of the jellyfish, he destroyed Margit.
In my first playthrough I decided to go with the wolves and never try the jellyfish, didn't know rogier was there as well, took me a long ass time, don't know what level I was when I beat him, since I started at level 1.
It's the jellyfish. It's too powerful against Margit, the contrast between my friend with and without the jellyfish was night and day
Without rogier trivializes the fight, until he dies, Margit will have 40%HP or so.
The Jellyfish is easy mode.
I was wondering when Pat would talk about the new souls game. Margit slapped me so hard I saw God the first several times
lmao me too bro
God... But Rick
Therefore try fingers, but hole
It took me 6 hours to beat Margit and I did so by learning the timing of his moves and parrying him into submission. I started to notice the little details of his attacks, such as how his longer windups usually end with a step of the foot or a final swing back into the hit. Looking back on my fight and all the different ways you can defeat Margit, I’m starting to think I took a sort of brute force route
i saw that fromsoftware improved a lot its enemies AI, a lot say that it's panic but some mini bosses actally get more aggresive when low health, and who plays with a spell build can see when his enemy decides not to let you have time to shoot after that last 10% health
Margit's only big openings are when he jams his cane into the ground or does that big jumping attack with his hammer. Every other time he'll pull out the daggers if you try to pressure him.
There are quite a few more. The spin-combo mentioned at 5:30 can be provoked by just keeping some range and can be punished after dodging the second swing. It's quite the same for godrick. You can get both of those to do lunging attacks (including the one with the hammer you mentioned) that leave rather big openings.
@@WyandWombat was about to say this
The daggers teach you to use a shield for quick attacks. They're timed so that you can't roll them cause you'll get hit by the second. But you can block them trivially and then guard counter. If you're going two handed it's a much bigger issue, though.
@@rurunosep The daggers are holy so youll still take some damage
I hate that prick
Been out of TH-cam for a whole while and gotta tell you, i've missed on Pat, the way he unpretentiously almost made me cry at this ending really got me. Great mfking guy
Me: *will never be interested in playing Eldin Ring*
Pat: Let me talk to you about my experience with fighting this boss in Elden Ring!
Me: yesss do go on
UH HI that's me?? I'm in a Polygon video?? This is kinda awesome! I'm the girl who got f*ckin destroyed at 0:14 what's up everyone?
What's up
🙌🙌🙌 glad to see you recovered from being destroyed -Simone
Day 3 of the war with Margit. I have only just gotten to his second phase. I must have died at least 150 times to him already, most likely 200. I recently acquired a pretty strong two-handed axe from some reptile guy in the far south of the map, and a medallion which gives me extra hp. “Margaret” relentlessly mows through me like a knife through butter. His second phase isn’t too hard. But you know what is? THE GODDAM BRIDGE. I KEEP FALLING OFF THE BRIDGE BECAUSE IM TOO LOCKED IN ON HIS STAFF or whatever it is AND ITS GOT TO HAVE MADE UP AT LEAST 50 OF MY DEATHS
the stuff in the way of the battlefield doesn’t help either. I dodgeroll, hit an object and get my bootycheeks absolutely clapped by “Margherita”.
Worst part is I was only a few R1’s away from beating him, 3 heals left, everything’s going great, this is the run, and then I fall off and die.
💀
Sorry for making you read all that
I’ve never played a Souls game, but I digested every word of this like a fine meal. Great video!
Never played a Souls game? What’s it like? What’s it like being able to love yourself?
@@kharris3352 Your comment made crack up. I love the souls community so much lmao
And you should never start to. It consumes your soul. Your Dark Soul.
Thank you!!
@@crestfallenwarrior5719 Is this it? The blood of the Dark Soul?
When I finally understood the whole switching target thing mid combo in coop, it was a big revelation for me. Honestly it's such cool design that you can't just relax because you don't appear to have aggro and you actually have to observe bosses attacks that aren't even directed at you. The funny thing is that due to the hitboxes some attacks may even be more difficult to avoid if you are coming from the side or the back as a phantom.
5:17
The whip crack made me chortle.
Excellent comedic timing as always Pat 👍🏻👍🏻
As a fighting game player, I love how often fighting game terminology/comparisons get used when talking about the bosses in Elden Ring. It really does feel like you're playing a fighting game a lot of the time.
I got so mad at Margit after he killed me like 25 times in a row, that the time I was able to fight him again as Morgott, I level'd up to like 100 just so I could put HIS foolish ambitions to rest
He didn't stand a chance, killed him with like 5-6 waves of Taker's Flames. God, I love Blasphemous Blade
:0 you skipped volcano manor request
@@whydoiexist2180 I skipped the Raging Wolf set, that's what I skipped
My inner loot-goblin is disappointed. In NG+ I'm literally gonna talk to everyone everytime I move a single inch on the map. In can't endure both the loss of Rogier and that armor set. My life is just pain. Immense pain.
Margit was an insanely tough fight early on
And
SPOILER ALERT
When Margit showed up later in the Altus Plateau I got both confused and a bit excited, like hey, a rematch
And yet despite having levelled up, killing many many more bosses and getting an extremely powerful weapon, the FEAR I felt when I saw a servant turn into him, it was like looking up and seeing a meteor the size of the moon about to hit earth, before proceeding to get my ass handed to me on a golden platter
Man, the first crucible knight taught me all I needed to know before facing Margit
I adapted by playing a caster with rot, bleed and a fuckload of health. Thank you Fromsoft for teaching me to stay away and avoid any attempt to parry or engage melee with enemies.
My favourite thing is when TH-cam channels put extra stuff in Closed Captions. Props, polygon.
I managed to put off Margit for a while unintentionally, and when I came back to Limgrave had reached a decent level for the fight. Add in a little cheesing with my lone wolves summon and the Sorcerer Rogier right next to the boss area, and I had a much easier time than I felt I deserved based on my skill level lol. I'm struggling to find a new area that I feel well-equipped for right now.
It's not cheese when the tools are right there.
That's not cheesing. Cheesing is when you start exploiting on purpose by doing things that weren't intended in boss fights.. You're just using the tools the game provides. Exploiting a broken weapon because mechanics, that's cheesing.
Its weird, in Dark Souls 3 I killed the dancer at level 14 solo, but for Magit I had to summon 2 other players to kill him.
man, this was a refreshing commentary on a souls boss. don't know why it took me so long to see it.
Pat I love you
Loving Pat gang
Margit is both a fantastic teacher and a great troll from time to time. Also, his animations and adaptability are on another planet. This boss have just a big charisma coming from all of that. This little duellist dance/staring contest realy have a western vibe. Truly an amazing boss, I've loved being beaten nearly 50 times by that old goat !
It's my first souls game and he obviously clapped me so I went out and leveled, killed some bosses (Tree Sentinel. Erdtree Avatar, etc) and then I was level 25 and spent like 3 hours fighting him alone until I gave in and just summoned Rogier and the wolves. I'm a bit disappointed I couldn't do it myself but I got him like 10 hp a few times and decided I just wanted it over with.
I'm proud of you for trying so hard
The jellyfish summon does help somewhat in this fight as he eventually poisons Margit. Unfortunately, I eventually run out of health packs and am unable to survive long enough to finish him off. Took about an hour to beat him...
yeah the jellyfish summon killed margit with the poison after i died, best summon 👍
Dude just keep exploring the map and fight other bosses and do quests and when you think you are ready you go and beat his ass i got him first try i think i level 30 and had a graftef sword so it was easy
@@franciscosoares2815 Guess I'll have to start over then... again, because I already beaten him.
As someone experienced with the soul series, I am honestly surprised by this boss. I thought it was going to be a run of the mill standard fight, but his windups are just so absurdly long I had to adopt a new strategy that was completely foreign to me.
Bloodborne ingrained in me the 'dodge and hit', literally every attack you could just dodge out the way and smack with an exception of a few combos you had to watch out. Dark souls 3 also had a steady rhythm, it had some mixups but they were just slight delays and combos. I would never attack any enemy DURING a windup, unless I was directly behind them and I knew they would miss. In front of an enemy though? I would literally stand in front of Margit during those long windup animations like a doofus waiting for his attack. After 10 deaths of using most of my healing before the 2nd phase, I thought "Maybe I should attack during those windups?". I don't know, it was really weird getting the hang of as my instinct would be to just wait and dodge lol
I think Margit was hard because I had to unlearn the Bloodbourne in me.
He stalls his attacks so I have to actually learn his patterns, parrying was never something I've gone for in this game because it isn't as easy and I don't have the dual weapon type system.
This was a good tutorial for me. So much so that I blasted through most of the other early game bosses.
Margit struggler here, beat Godrick first try with the help of two strong finger-bros, thinking I would struggle as much as I did with Margit. Not so. It wasn’t easy, but not even the same ballpark.
Very interesting to see how players experience the game so differently. Makes me excited for more play-throughs!
Definitely a different experience for everyone. I beat him Solo, No Damage, No Parry, No Upgrades, Uchigatanas, No Ashe of War Buffs, No Talismans, No Consumables, No Spirit Ashes, and using the base Soul Level 9 Samurai class.
Here you go: th-cam.com/video/b1hQRPDrHT4/w-d-xo.html
The bosses may get stronger, but so too does your resolve and skill. When you fight Margit again, even in ng+, you likely won't struggle as much :)
Primarily I feel like he's there to teach players that this isn't another dark souls game and punish them for ignoring all of the open world content. Before you ever really need to engage with Margit you have access to a huge open world with a tremendous amount of resources that you can plunder. Limgrave, Weeping Peninsula, Caelid, Liurnia of the Lakes, Raya Lucaria Academy, Atlas Plateau and Safira River are all accessible before you ever need to fight Margit.
I am a souls vet and tried to approach this as a souls game, and it quickly became apparent that Margit isn't just a skill check, he's testing how well you've been able to leverage the open world to your favor. I left and came back 10 hours later with dual +9 Bloody Slash uchigatanas, 1200 health, 8 +4 flasks and his shackles and he suddenly felt like a proper dark souls intro boss.
A big thing to remember to do is to use the Jelly ashes. If you can get that and use Rogier, the 3-way aggro pull makes it near impossible for him to focus on someone long enough to get a kill.
I think the reason they made Margit more difficult than the average first souls boss because of the open world. The game introduces easier bosses through exploration and by the time you clear those optional bosses, you'll probably be strong enough to withstand a lot of Margit's attacks. I think this was intended. It's basically like FromSoft saying "Yea, you could fight Margit, but there's a giant open world for you to explore so why don't you do that first... unless you're ready for hours of deaths" lol.
1:40 I've never thought about it before, but yeah! Almost every souls game has an early boss that is in a narrow rectangle. Ds1 had tarus demon, ds2 had persuer, ds3 had Vordt, and bb had cleric beast. It's just another fromsoft staple I guess, like dragons in early areas!
The delayed attacks is the reason why I didn’t like Elden rings combat at first because I’m use to making those split second decisions that shooters and bloodborne requires of me.
Margit being slow makes him a really good contrast to the Capra Demon, who I'm assuming occupies a similar point in the game. Because the Capra Demon's thing is that he'll kill you so quickly you won't even be able to register what hit you.
I remember I found a boss similar to the Capra demon in Elden ring. I felt touched, and annoyed.
@@spanishinquisition7623 My condolences.
@@spanishinquisition7623 the Omenkillers?
As a FS veteran, I find Margit interesting as I believe he is one of FS hardest and easiest first bosses. Hardest because if you go to him immediately he is incredibly hard but if you go exploring first (as I believe FS wants you to do) he gets easier. Other than DS2, other soulsborne games don’t give you an opportunity to do anything before the first boss (such as with Iudex Gundyr and Asylum demon), so it’s awesome that you can either throw yourself at margit making him super hard or exploring, increasing your skills and your level.
"as I believe FS wants you to do"
The beam of light pointing you towards the castle right out of the tutorial cave gives a different impression
@@feffy380 that's the point though: there's way more to do than just blindly follow the path, and if you do you're probably going to have a rough time.
Beat him Solo, No Damage, No Parry, No Upgrades, Uchigatanas, No Ashe of War Buffs, No Talismans, No Consumables, No Spirit Ashes, and using the base Soul Level 9 Samurai class. ;)
Here you go: th-cam.com/video/b1hQRPDrHT4/w-d-xo.html
I am now bald from all the hair I had to rip out fighting margit
I beat Margit using a single NPC summon and spamming Rock Sling. I also beat Godrick using Rock Sling spam, truly a great spell for the start of the game.
Rock sling is definitely one of the best spells both early and late. I beat him Solo, No Damage, No Parry, No Upgrades, Uchigatanas, No Ashe of War Buffs, No Talismans, No Consumables, No Spirit Ashes, and using the base Soul Level 9 Samurai class.
Here you go: th-cam.com/video/b1hQRPDrHT4/w-d-xo.html
It’s debatable whether “string theory” is good or not. I’ve noticed healing at the end of a combo is a lot less safe than ds3, as that sometimes trigger immediate aggro. But the question is, when is it reliably safe to heal?
Mid-animation of a final attack is usually the best bet. For Margit in particular, the phase 2 hammer slam.
As far as im aware, his full charged overhead attack is the only move that is 100% safe to punish. He can mix you up after every other one of his attacks.
My only gripe is when especially in phase 2, he does a long ass string (typically started with fast gold longsword strike), chaining 10 delayed/roll-catching swings only to trigger his back-jump at the end, denying you a counter attack (as melee), because he restarts into another attack string if you approach.
There's a sizeable amount of bosses in Elden Ring that input-read to punish chugging, as long as you're in range. The Godskins are VERY blatant about it, Crucible Knights as well, while many others do it less consistently, but you will notice the trend after a few tries. I actually find Margit relatively lenient about heal punishing.
In all of these cases, you're only safe to heal in two situations. You can run WAY far away to heal, giving time for the animation lock to end even if the boss still tries to punish you, or heal at the end of the attack combo, during the time you'd usually hit the boss. You have to stay calm and survive until an opportunity to recover happens. Panic chugging is punished just as hard as panic rolling in this game.
You can breeze through him by baiting out jump attacks. I beat him Solo, No Damage, No Parry, No Upgrades, Uchigatanas, No Ashe of War Buffs, No Talismans, No Consumables, No Spirit Ashes, and using the base Soul Level 9 Samurai class.
Here you go: th-cam.com/video/b1hQRPDrHT4/w-d-xo.html
it was funny that you were speaking about aaaall of that, that I completely forgot his second phase until you mentioned at the end of the video, like "oh, right, you still need to learn phase 2 as well"
After struggling so much my first time through, and having an easier though still difficult second time, this video was exactly what I was looking for. Knowing what exactly made Margit challenging is so interesting!
Once you learn to properly bait his jump attacks it can become much easier. I beat him Solo, No Damage, No Parry, No Upgrades, Uchigatanas, No Ashe of War Buffs, No Talismans, No Consumables, No Spirit Ashes, and using the base Soul Level 9 Samurai class.
Here you go: th-cam.com/video/b1hQRPDrHT4/w-d-xo.html
The problem is that this boss actually is smart. Like he’s alive and not just a piece of AI. So very unpredictable
Be smarter
@@Noebody6970 no
i have never struggled with any boss in any souls game like margitt on my first play through
Margit was where I finished playing Elden Ring. I beat him, but it took forever and ultimately I decided it just wasn't an experience I would enjoy. Props to those who knocked him out first try, though.
He's actually the biggest speed bump I've come across so far, and I think I'm maybe halfwayish into it now (hard to tell but there's a list of big baddies you get at some point and I've got half of them down). Beating him basically shows you've got the chops to get through the rest of it, although I've heard there's a couple of tough gits out there. If you get really stuck pump points in faith and spam fireballs and lightning!
@@robertdaykin1661 have you beat it yet ? Im literally terried of the rhadan guy I think he towards the end I hope I’m strong enough to beat em when I see em