A Hologram would have been so much better! We've been shown maps being projected time and again, in all three trilogies, from multiple sources, and we even know that map screens can incorporate other info to show real-time images (of fighters moving, for example). Had Palpatine made a holo-projector that shows the current position of the Wayfinder by "pinging" it, especially through some Sith magic explanation so no-one without Sith knowledge can use it if you absolutely must have that plot point, he could've stored it deep within the outer shell of the Death Star, which solves about every single problem with its whereabouts and how to find it. Not to mention someone was literally stabbed with that knife. Had that person worn any armor, which is not unlikely in Star Wars, the knife could've been damaged, not to mention how contrived it was how it was found in the first place, just to not even provide any indication from where to approach the point of interest- which could've been an interesting delay even, but they just happen to immediately find it, which the holo projector would at least explain
A hologram that kept updating would have worked well, given that the HoloNet was under Imperial control for 20 years. They had partially dismantled the hyperspace messaging system, and it's easy to imagine a top secret Dark HoloNet had been constructed for Sith use instead of Imperial. -DZ
That clip of JJ talking about the knife hurts me because he has storytelling and world building completely backwards. When you already have an established world, the question is "how would someone in this world make a map?" But JJ instead says "I like the idea of a knife, how can we fit that in?" He's trying to shove the square in the circle hole and he pushed until he broke the hole.
That’s how he always does things. Fifteen years ago I used to like his work. Not anymore. He’s a fake. The mystery box is empty and has always been empty.
@@thomasley4006 I've always thought he should find his own M Night Shayamamalamamalon to write endings for him. That way it his work wouldn't feel so hollow.
Judging by how successfully he essentially Assassinated the franchise, I think it is ....odd.... to think it wasn't intentional at this point. Kind of like leaving Kathleen Kennedy in charge of literally anything, let alone the Star Wars franchise which she is on film stating she wanted to destroy. It is an oddly targeted set of moves by Disney.
The knife also become silly for two reasons 1. It is ancient.... How would anyone make a knife in the past and have it fit perfectly with a space stationwreck in the future? 2. If sithcultists made the knife, why would the leave a important vault and shrine from their master and god unopened? Also, in a world of technology and holographic maps, why take the painful time to carve a horisionpattern in the side of a knife instead of just plotting a datamap in another wayfinder and say "Hey idiot! It's here!"
I also feel like it’s worth mentioning that this semi-ceremonial knife was also just straight up that one assassin guy’s weapon. Like it’s hardly damning, but I feel like something that valuable shouldn’t be worn down through stabbing people, or face the risk of damage and loss that you’d have on that kind of mission.
One thing I never see mentioned about these scenes is that they used the wrong model of Death Star. The Death Stars 1 and 2 have visibly different designs in the band around them and the shape of the laser disk. They're supposed to be at the wreck of the DS2, but they just reused the leftover DS1 model from Rogue One.
Thats like how the ships are just the models of the ISD 1 because they had the model from Rouge One, they just doubled the size and slapped a gun on its bottom
The Falcon crash drove me nuts and no one ever complained about it. Thank you for bringing it up!! How does and Starwars fan like JJ says he is mess that up?
I remember wondering why the hell the Falcon crashed like that anyway, felt like I must have missed some offscreen storybeat. Because I mean....wtf, vtol anyone? It hovers before landing; why the hell would it have come screaming in for a landing like that and left a trough. Moreover...WHO WAS FLYING THE SHIP, WTF
@@awesomepants184 He's a casual fan. There is nothing wrong with casual fans, but someone with only a casual and minimal surface level understanding of the setting should never have control of the whole ship, especially with no oversight or someone with more knowledge of how the setting works to keep them in check.
Also, they present the knife as some ancient sith artifact but even if the DS doesn’t erode it can’t be more than 30 years old because the DS wasn’t wrecked for the dagger to match
the creator could have had a vision. They would have to be absurdly powerful in the force to have a vision that clear, seeing as there have, in most cases, not been visions that tell force-sensitives exact planet, location, and even room on a wreckage thousands of years in the future and remember it clearly enough for long enough to forge a knife to map it. But if you ignore details, it would probably be explained by visions.
@@InfernosReaper I said ignore details, like many things with the sequels, it only makes sense if you stop thinking But it could've been like, a splinter faction that practices sith teachings but doesn't align with the goals of the future sith, there's a lot of possibilities and I'm too tired to figure it out right now
@@pileoweirdnessThat's kinda the thing, though, why even make things needlessly complicated by having convoluted ways to get things done in the first place?
How fitting to have the Homeworld soundtrack, a game that understood the 3 dimensional aspects of space flight combat and flight, in a video about how Disney doesn’t understand space or spaceships
The music really is critical to the atmosphere, from Homeworld to Star Wars to this video. I was expecting to need some completely different music, but that worked in the end. The formation system and projectile simulation even allowed for those one-in-a-million lucky hits. -DZ
In Star Wars, ships are effectively inertialess in space. It’s the only way that ships would move like they do, and require fuel to keep moving forward (TLJ)
I was at Galaxy's Edge when they first opened and saw a Moisture Vaporator with puddles of water all around it. I realized that the Imaginears didn't care about the functions of the SW Universe, just the aesthetic.
You're absolutely right about the misuse of vaporators as ornamental sculptures. They're prevalent all through Disney, as "an old thing from Star Wars". I can tell this story is true, because you're the first other person I've heard mention the issue. -DZ
@@Rose_Butterfly98 But isn't the whole point of a vaporator to condense the water and the store it to be sold/used? As such any vaporator that is leaving a puddle around it is just broken regardless of environment.
Another huge issue with the knife is that, even if the Death Star isn't eroded it just points to somewhere inside the Death Star from super far away. Once you're approaching the Death Star how would you ever actually find where it was pointing. All it did was tell them which side of the Death Sat to start searching from. This means that if you could find the Death Star you pretty much could find the throne room, because the knife did not actually help with that.
I feel like the knife matching with the exterior of the DS is bad because it’s too specific. I feel like it’s bad that this “ancient artifact” is barely 30 years old. But the biggest issue I have with it the dagger is to simply point out where the wayfinder is, which is the emperor’s throne room, aka the first place you would look to find sith relics. At that point simply having Oochi carry the wayfinder instead of the leads to less problems with the plot
@@tobyjack1238 yeah pretty much. My issue is it doesn't even point towards the wayfinder or the throne room. It just points at the exterior of the Death Star in the general direction of those things. You still have to search for them yourself, so like you said they would obviously look for the throne room first.
The vault room always bugged me so much, we’ve seen the outside of the throne room spire and there no way a room could fit on the side without changing the shape
Since we're torturing ourselves: "Danny just kinda forgot about the Iron fleet" is probably the dumbest sentence ever uttered by any author ever and it has the same vibe.
@@Andrew_Skywalker03 The only thing that is soon to not really be, is the STD, (Sequel Trilogy by Disney) You think Lucas won't treat it like he did the Christmas Special? Think again. F
Subscribed. Why the Death Star wreckage is not on the Forest Moon of Endor or "Sanctuary moon", is a baffling decision. It clearly has lakes and seas interspersing the plains and deep mountainous forests covering its surface. As you have said, an underwater sequence would have been much more compelling, which incidentally are some of the strongest scenes from TPM and also could have served as a reference, nod, etc. It is yet another case of cloning a setting for no other reason than they can, when an identical and more interesting location already exists in canon (Though Jakku has kinda grown on me, despite being yet another desert planet). The physics of Disney Star Wars is as inexcusable as the lazy writing. The Homeworld OST reminds me of the 'Warlords' mods, wonder if you've seen them?
Another great water scene is the Dagobah swamp, which I think inspired TPM's water monsters. There's no telling what lurks under the surface. The only issue with Jakku is how blatantly the movie wishes it was Tatooine. As a planet with a bunch of derelict Imperial vehicles, that's a neat concept. Reminds me of the Hardware: Shipbreakers videos we got, before that game was retooled into Homeworld: Deserts of Kharak. I didn't do too much modding, I loved the one for playable Turanic Raiders, and I got started designing a Kadeshi fleet in Wings3D. -DZ
@@thebreadcircus Well that just gets me thinking, imagine if it had been on Raxus Prime instead. Not just derelict Imperials, but surrounded by dead, decaying ships of all types, the Republic, the Empire, the CIS, etc.
The reverse crash/ planetary entry already looks intense, the characters would have no idea what their surroundings, not to mention seems more plausible of how the Falcon would crash if it lost control
And it makes sense physically too, since (I'm assuming) based off of the layout of the falcon it would have most of the weight distributed towards the back anyways, especially since that's where the engines are. That could be offset by the cargo container/escape pod, but since qui'ra stole that, it's gone lol.
In Star wars Dark forces 2 there is a map carved in stone that a droid can analyze and then that droid can make a 3d hologram that would point to the planet that has the valley of the jedi. They could have done this with a bulkhead or even a 2d image from data card or something.
@@jimmyboy131 I still play Outcast and Jedi Academy to this day, such amazing great games. Playing as Luke's best bud Kyle is just awesome. I also always loved his lightsaber
@@sa-amirel-hayeed699 Totally agree! Dark Forces 2 and Jedi Outcast are two of my all time favorite games. If they simply created a graphical upgrade to them then I'd be super happy and would play them again as if they were new games. Jedi Academy was great, but not quite as fun as the previous two.
3:37 small correction, that is actually the New lore - the Disney lore The EU version of that article mentions nothing about illegality The Disney version names it "Sublight Engine", but the EU version is actually named "Sublight Drive"
Love that you're paying attention enough to catch this. I don't know the full story of the sublight "harmful emissions", so if anyone does then I'm all ears. It's not a story Wookieepedia would tell you. I don't know how old this lore is, all I'm certain of is that it's from before the dark times, before Disney. A pre-prequel Essential Guide from 1996 has no mention of sublight engines being prohibited anywhere. The only place I remember seeing the illegality was the cross-sections books, in the first pages of the OT book. But as I recall, that one was only printed in the prequel era, and I don't yet own a copy to check. You're right that "sublight drive" seems to be the more correct term. We hear the term "sublight engines" from Han's mouth, cut in when exiting hyperspace at Alderaan. I don't think Disney can lay any claim to the phrase. The distinction between "engine" and "drive" is subtle, so here's how I'd draw the line. A spaceship has three kinds of drive systems, one of which is the umbrella term "sublight drive". The drive system includes all the feedback and monitoring equipment, wiring, and cockpit controls involved with sublights. Then, the specific machinery with the ion thrusters, that'd be your "sublight engines". -DZ
@@thebreadcircus Revisited that article and checked on its citation - it specifically cites the "YT-1300 Millennium Falcon Owners' Workshop Manual" published in 2018 for those emissions EDIT: misread your reply and went on a tangent correcting stuff that was actually not wrong in the first place, deleted my tangent
I can't see that sort of illegality being galaxy wide anyway. How do you do traffic cops in space? xD There's so many problems with the ideas of it, it gets a little absurd. How would ships land and takeoff without getting tickets all the time? Air and ground repulsorlifts as standard tech? Seems like a stretch for low-end or low-weight ships. The list just goes and goes.
@@thed3m0n0id9 that kind of stuff is actually well-enforced in EU lore, where the Center-Mid Rim worlds are just loaded with cops, while the Outer Rim (where Tattooine is) is a lawless wasteland And even then, a lot of lawless wastelands rely on bounty hunters as law enforcement. The Corporate Sector and Hutt Space have their own private law enforcement which also included Bounty Hunters It's a fun little contrast we get in the films between Coruscant's ultra-advanced police database with the analysis droids, and Tattooine having nothing but Bounty Hunters, but this carries over to the EU well and is mentioned in The Bounty Hunter Code (Oh, and Rian Johnson cites The Jedi Path as a justification for Force Skype Calls, but The Jedi Path is in the exact same series as Bounty Hunter Code + mentions a lot of EU material such as reborn Sheev. The canonity of this book to Disney lore is extremely suspect) EDIT: and because you got me mentioning Coruscant, Coruscant is actually a planet-wide Warhammer 40K Hive City covered in skyscrapers on top of skyscrapers on top of derelict buildings that can crumble any moment, the law enforcement is absolutely brutal and advanced on the higher parts but almost nonexistent at the lower levels, with the actual ground of the planet being a lightless hellscape full of mutants and monsters George Lucas loved this idea so much that his cancelled show before Disney came in was about Coruscant's lower levels Coruscant is basically Necromunda but it covers the whole planet
@@Necroxion Oh yeah, I know all this. Actually, I love that you mentioned a hive city like Necromunda in ref to Coruscant, because great parallel. What I'm getting at is how it impossible it would be to effectively police *any* sectors of space, given the sheer stupid size of it and how easy it is to ditch sensor traces and run silent, from the "realism" standpoint anyway. For an idea, play some Elite Dangerous and try to track ships in realspace more than 20km away; your sensors get real flaky at long ranges. Now imagine trying to police just the space in and around a ring system around a common gas giant; literally impossible to cover all that at once. Security forces have to respond to calls or patrol set areas. Now imagine a solar system. Now a region of space. Now the whole galaxy. UNPOSSIBLE haha The forces to have these laws and to tracks folks are in-place - I wasn't trying to deny their existence at all- but like I said, there's a TON of practical problems with it. Chief amongst them being...how does one not get a ticket every time you make a perfectly legal landing/takeoff at a port with the "no sublight drives" law? Or not get shot down?
When filming Star Trek 2009 with Chris Pine as Kirk, Pine had issues with some of the things the script had him saying, so he went to JJ to ask for clarification on it. JJ took him aside, and said "It doesn't matter, you just run on, you just run on and say it as fast and as earnestly as possible, *THE AUDIENCE WON'T CARE,* all they'll think is 'something's happening! something's happening!'" Except the audience *does* care. Its why we're watching movie 7, 8, and 9 in a series. We wanted to see another story in Star Wars, featuring the heroes that we grew up loving, with...logical storytelling. Not full of mystery boxes, red herrings, and a conclusion movie to a trilogy that features the entire fucking plot to three different trilogies in it.
Subscribed. I never thought about the Falcon crash landing... Honestly I had forgotten about it. But this makes perfect sense, unlike anything in the Disney Sequels. They had absolutely no care about anything.
the only difference between you and the writers when it comes to not considering those details is that they got paid for it 😂 if the writers see this video, they'll probably ask themselves "why didn't I think of that?"
@@goldzior1128 Well, here's the difference between myself and the creators... I didn't make the worthless movie and I was only half paying attention to it, since I was a mixture of bored and pissed off about the lack of care they gave to my beloved franchise. The entire movie was leaked before it even came out, and I didn't believe the leaks because I didn't believe that it could possibly be as ridiculously bad as what the leaks stated. As I was watching it, I just kept wondering what was taking the movie so long to end and I couldn't wait for it to just be over. I've only seen the movie once, in the theater because I got to see it for free, and that's more than enough. So, the Falcon crashing didn't even stick in my memory despite me picking tons of other things about the movie that I didn't agree with and have been complaining about since it was released. There's so much wrong with it that this one detail slipped through the cracks.
12:31 He is just surrounded by a bunch of yes Men. There is no one even questioning him. 13:50 Listen To that homeworld theme. Brings back memories. Kharak May burn, but The exiled endure.
Thanks for not immediately dismissing the idea of Palpatine’s dark essence remaining within his throne room. It’s such a cool idea that has precedent in the lore, with Sith preserving themselves or leaving a trace of themselves in locations and artifacts because they can’t access life after death like the Jedi can, because the method goes against their whole philosophy
Palpatines throne room (the room the dark lord resided in, meditated in the dark side and probably performed dark rituals in) being soaked in the dark side is like one of the only smart choices they made
All they needed to do was have the vault in the emperor's quarters instead of the throne room! And it was a perfect opportunity to introduce Sith holocrons. The holocron, being in the hands of someone connected to the dark side, projected the location of the Sith planet. No daggers, no 'wayfinders', no Mary Sue from a DESERT planet expertly sailing a very rough ocean.
The conception of the knife is the worst part. It points to a part of the death star ruin, so somebody must have made it after the death star fell. Someone who knew about palpatines personal storage was alive after the second deathstar blew up, had the time and energy to find every piece of the death star, figure out the location of a meters wide tower on a surface area larger, than 120.000 square kilometers, and then have the motivation to make a knife be the treasure map and not get the treasure themselves. Like who would do the wrolds most complicated jigsaw puzzle just to give the reward to someone else?
14:02 : I'll be damned... they DID use the correct tower, they just misplaced it on the DSII hull. I only watched this hot garbage once in theater on release, and missed that detail completely because it's only shown for a few seconds; I just assumed someone forgot to look at the death star plans when they made this, but it turns out they did, they just decided to mangle it for no well explained reason.
One landing gear question: Why would landing with the repulsors destroy the ventral turret and block the ramp? Couldn't they just leave them on like a speeder and hover there?
I personally like the hologram projector as the map because I enjoy the thought of the timeline where Finn kept and gutted it and made it his lightsaber once he started getting training as a Jedi, especially since it might actually have occurred to him to do so if he already thought he was Force Sensitive. I like the idea of him nicking some old Empire/First Order tech to make his lightsaber too, just because it seems right for his hilt to be at least somewhat of a memento of how far he's come as a person.
I really like the idea of a tablet. Brute forcing something onto stone sounds really Sith, and you can make it have multiple functions, such as opening the vault if you know how to unfold it or what to touch.
If the knife had a laser-outerface, like as if it lights up, and maybe over-charging it creates a hologram layer ontop of it and pulses extending outwards past the edges of the knife. It'd fulfill both functions of a map covering a large area that even if the Deathstar corroded, it would still make a lot of landmarks recognisable, as well as the pride of a Sith in using a weapon based on the throne room of Palpatine.
This series is great for multiple reasons. One, it points out and fixes all the issues. But for two, it reminds me that I actually watched this movie. I don't remember any of this happening. A movie so bad I just repressed any memory of watching it.
Like, as much as TFA and TLJ have their flaws, I was at least engaged enough to remember what happens in them. I watch scenes from TRoS and it's like I'm watching a completely new movie.
This channel is amazing. I love that you included the Star Trek scene where the Enterprise saucer crashes. I LOVE that you said the ship tries to keep them alive 🥹 Wouldn’t it have been AMAZING to see the Falcon crash! Thank you so much for giving me HOPE that there is a fix to 7, 8, 9. I couldn’t click subscribe fast enough! I’m sad I didn’t find it sooner. Edit: PS: I got the Scylla/Charybdis reference. My character name in Knights of the Old Republic is actually Kharybdis! 😊
I'm glad you mentioned this, especially since I had seriously considered leaving that Charybdis reference out. Maybe using "out of the frying pan, into the fire" instead. We really appreciate the feedback. -DZ
Erosion makes the dagger nonsensical? How about it's existence at all? Did they hire a blade smith to come out to the wreck and make a knife that looks like it?
-Great video -Rey does react to water in 7. -Knife's existence might work better as some sort of prophecy for invaluable artifacts, they just didn't know it was very situational (if kept as wayfinder not holocron)
I feel the weirdest part for the knife is that it is an ancient knife, and was stated as an age that predated the crash of the death star. And yeah I know prophecy could have been the reason, but why? There needs to be a reason for it to be prophesied about, and it doesn't really have any other than to be a pointy thing to find a way finder
@@mastere6115 thats what I was getting at, prophecy for something invaluable but the creators didn't know it was only valuable in this very specific circumstance.
Man, this trilogy was such a disappointment. What a waste of our last shots with Luke, Leia, and Han. It's like nobody knows how to write a story anymore and all anyone, making movies cares about is spectacle. Especially at Disney. You get a big flashy movie that hopefully looks cool but makes no sense at all. I'm amazed they finished the Infinity Saga without completely turning to this crap. Even No Way Home, which I liked for nostalgia like we all did, makes no sense at all. It's a bummer to see Star Wars in the gutter and Marvel on shaky legs. Oh, and their Indiana Jones is garbage too.
Another alternative to the knife being the map? No map at all. It already says it's in the Emperor's throne room. They should already know what part of the Death Star to look for. If they wanted the knife to be important again, they could have it be the key.
Just gonna throw this out there because it wasn’t mentioned…but the emperor literally JUST showed up to the Death Star for the events of ROTJ, so why did he have the wayfinder stored in a vault on the Death Star and not on one of his palaces, etc.?
They just wanted something cool that the Goonies did. "The rock, the lighthouse and the restaurant... all match the dabloon." ~Mikey Complete with a pov shot of holding it up..
Idea for the knife to work; what if it wasn't an intentional design? What if Rey just found a broken old knife, and the Force told her it was important - and then, when they stumble across the remains of the Deathstar (for unrelated reasons) she suddenly recognizes the outline of the wreck, pick up the dagger, and sure enough, COINCIDENCE, it matches the skyline and points them towards the vault.
I think the knife with the pointer would have worked if it was leading you to the Sith planet. Use it in conjunction with a star map to do the outline thing, and the pointer shows you where the system you need to go is.
the thing about the knife is that someone knew where to find the map to exegol, didn't retrieve it and instead took a picture from a hilltop so they could grind their ancient sith dagger into the shape of perishable wreckage at the machine shop, then flew halfway across the galaxy and dropped it in a snake hole?
Why didnt Palpatine just clone himself and send his clone to Endor because he foresaw his fate in Return of the Jedi? This would have been a very plausible way to bring him back - seeing that it was he that created all the clones in the first place - why not make a couple for himself - hell, Hitler used doubles in real life because people were trying to kill him - the technology was already there in the SW universe and they thought of ‘somehow’ he returned. No imagination from the writers - i mean it was a dumb idea to bring him back but at least this way it would have made sense.
That's something I'd never considered. Even if he can't trust his own clones not to betray him, there's nothing preventing cosmetic surgery. How hard is it to make a normal person look like the Emperor? Well, they did it with nothing but makeup and prosthetics in 1983, so it should be easy to make hundreds of decoys. -DZ
@@thebreadcircus I personally would have hated that, because it would retcon the end of Return of the Jedi and honestly would have made the sequel trilogy make no sense to ever have happened in the first place (Though perhaps that would have been a blessing..). If Palpatine didn't die, then he'd still hold the strings of the Empire and it wouldn't have fallen apart. Sure they'd have been a bit more hard pressed for losing ANOTHER Death Star, but it would have prevented the New Republic from forming. Among many other butterfly effects of such a change in the story.
I didn't know what this video really was about but it got me interested and well, as soon as I heard the homeworld music a strange nostalgia overcame me and kept me hooked. I got to know homeworld through the remastered.
Homeworld is still making new fans, eh? The remasters have great audio, and I never dreamed of being able to select Heidi or Jennifer as the voice of Karan. Even so, I'll always love the original engine of HW1 and Cataclysm(/"Emergence"). -DZ
@@thebreadcircus I pity every sci fi fan who doesn't know what Homeworld is. It's influence and brilliance can't be understated. I liked your video btw.
The cylinder with no discernable function could give the heroes a useful puzzle to solve. Maybe the key to the map requires them to travel to multiple locations. It could also require the collection of data modules that are useless without the map cylinder.
I think what makes it worse for me is that the red arrow on the knife actually points to the spire, like its there in the movie, but still no one stopped and thought about how stupid it is that a "secret" room would be on the outside of it
My issue with the knife is more with the Death Star wreckage itself, why hasn't the wreckage already been striped and salvaged for parts? Even exploded there should be more than enough salvage on it. If not for the republic itself, then for salvage teams & scavengers.
The trench run does not take place in the equatorial trench, but in a network of trenches around the pole of the death star, as you can see in the 3D animation of the plans during dodonna's briefing. These trenches likely have the same purpose as the vent, to vent excess reactor energy during the firing of the superlaser.
I don't think saying "a moon in the Endor system" really solves anything. The Death Star 2 orbited the forest moon, not the planet, and therefore debris should have crash landed there and not on another of the 9 moons in that system, more than likely hundreds of thousands of kilometres away from one another's orbits.
It was such a strange decision to make the death star wreck on a different planet rather than just saying it landed in an ocean on endor. It's like they tried to make this movie as dumb as possible.
I didn't even know it was supposed to be the Endor system on my first watch. I assumed the "delta three six transient" was all a string of nonsense, so I didn't notice they'd slipped Endor's name in until making this video. The establishing shot completely failed to establish the location. Putting it on another moon is still strange, but proves the issue was caught early enough for someone to add a line to explain it. That takes it out of the realm of absolutely, positively, definitely not possible. -DZ
At most only half of the wreckage would've landed on the sanctuary moon. The side pointing away would've gone *that* way. It still would be an extinction level event. But the explosion was from the center of DS2 and radiated in all directions. The biggest issue though is that it's somewhat implied at the end of RotJ that either the debris wasn't in any big chunks, or they were blown away from the moon. If a piece the size of what we see in RoS were to hit Ewok's moon there wouldn't have been the feast in the end. They would all be to busy meeting their God for real and it would've happened in less than an hour. Since we see no large debris, I'm going to say the original intent would've been the near atomisation of DS2, much like the original.
Would you believe that the movie itself calls the wayfinder a compass? It honestly seems to be a copy of the Jack Sparrow compass. No more, no less. -DZ
They shown that you can go out on ships through shielding for star-wars. It's just like how the moon pools work and how they can have open hangerbay doors.
When it comes to the knife, it really would have been better to use the segmented scroll... you could even make it an object that Jedi would be reluctant to touch, like segments made out of slain Jedi bones from Order 66 or something. Make it so that even holding the object could slowly corrupt a person!
The knife was so silly xD I wish JJ had just told the damn crew he wanted to reference The Goonies. And ya know...Idk why I never thought about the vault in relation the to the Emperor's Tower xD that's a very good point. Where the hell was it???
Two things: The Falcon also has manuvering thrusters that seem to double as landing thrusters, these are seprate from the sublights and do not seem to be repulsors, the clip of the landing sequence you showed demonstrates this very clearly. It's unclear if the Falcon's thrusters are strong enough to land without any other tech assistance but it's somewhat implied by the way the thrusters arrest the decent- if this was possible with repulsors it'd be both more gentle and better for maintanance reasons so we'd expect to see it so this somewhat implies that whatever antigrav tech lets the falcon stay aloft and hover likely doesn't work well or smoothly in close to the ground. Secondly: The Taidani music was great, it really seemed to fit the themes well for the first bit of the video. Though admitedly I was expecting an attack at any moment
Enganging in 3, 2... Great analysis, glad I waited until the end and did not just leave a dislike because I thought you were making an apology video on Kathleen's behalf.
The throne room has an establishing shot in return of the jedi, it is a spire. It is the same kind of design as McQuarrie's mooring towers. So we can say it is a converted mooring tower dressed up for the occasion. The pit is an air vent as you find many places in the death star, to allow people to breathe. It doesn't need special security since the shield isn't supposed to go down, though we still do see a TIE combat patrol fly by in the establishing shot.
"There is also a squat cylinder with no discernible function. Even that can't be worse than the knife." Yeah. He really did choose the worst option there.
Any genuine fan of anything - ultimately the very definition of a nerd - will absolutely notice when things are off, regardless of what is off. That corporations keep chasing new markets and new people is ultimately self-defeating. The only people that won't notice are the people that do not give a shit to begin with, and these people will also not commit to whatever you want them to buy into, because they don't care, precisely because they're not nerds. A good customer base is cultivated, grown, and kept over time, and they buy into the things that suit their interests, and will remain committed for most of their life. But modern corporations threw all of that away since they only saw brands and wanted to chase for a modern audience that does not exist, and an audience that will eat anything but commit and take a genuine interest in nothing.
Good analysis. I didn't notice these problems in the movie. But I would have noticed them, and admired them, and maybe even watched the movie more; had they been in it. Seeing thought out details is much more provocative than missing what is not noticed.
Man, this movie would have been so much better if we got an extended sequence where the heroes need to trek to the Death Star, hell it could be an Indiana Jones style race against the bad guys, have Kylo and the First Order arrive at the same time as the good guys, have a short space battle where both sides get damaged and have to land off from the Death Star, and then do that. We don't need a map, just give the location of the holocron/wayfinder as on the Death Star ruins (which most people should know the location of). Just make it so C3PO can read the Sith runes and cut out that whole subplot to give space for a fun and dangerous adventure across the ruins. Hell, we can actually use Hux to suggest that the throne room is the most likely location of the macguffin, and perhaps he knows where the throne room is because the First Order went there before but couldn't search it because it was flooded. We create a way more exciting sequence, cut out a whole bunch of unnecessary plot beats and lore contradictions, and we get to actually use a character who has been built up for three movies. Hux could provide comic relief still but also clash in an entertaining way with Finn.
In that behind-the-scenes documentary, they do show a wireframe of the throne room. That looked all present and correct to me, but there's no good view of the turbolift shaft area. The secret door? Absolutely not possible. -DZ
@@thebreadcircus i compared all footage of it, to ROTJ, the over head catwalk isn't there, and a few other things and comparin around his chair there is a lot different, believe its his throne room, just a different one,
There's another aspect not really covered about the potential underwater scenes: _how would Rey know how to swim?_ Knowing what we do now, she'd just Mary Sue it. But still.
A Hologram would have been so much better! We've been shown maps being projected time and again, in all three trilogies, from multiple sources, and we even know that map screens can incorporate other info to show real-time images (of fighters moving, for example). Had Palpatine made a holo-projector that shows the current position of the Wayfinder by "pinging" it, especially through some Sith magic explanation so no-one without Sith knowledge can use it if you absolutely must have that plot point, he could've stored it deep within the outer shell of the Death Star, which solves about every single problem with its whereabouts and how to find it.
Not to mention someone was literally stabbed with that knife. Had that person worn any armor, which is not unlikely in Star Wars, the knife could've been damaged, not to mention how contrived it was how it was found in the first place, just to not even provide any indication from where to approach the point of interest- which could've been an interesting delay even, but they just happen to immediately find it, which the holo projector would at least explain
A hologram that kept updating would have worked well, given that the HoloNet was under Imperial control for 20 years. They had partially dismantled the hyperspace messaging system, and it's easy to imagine a top secret Dark HoloNet had been constructed for Sith use instead of Imperial. -DZ
Well do know metal of knife was stronger than durasteel
One is amount of time should been longer vs the 17 hour thing and such a small number vs so many
i mean, why is the wayfinder not just a holocron?
A different movie would have been so much better!
That clip of JJ talking about the knife hurts me because he has storytelling and world building completely backwards. When you already have an established world, the question is "how would someone in this world make a map?" But JJ instead says "I like the idea of a knife, how can we fit that in?"
He's trying to shove the square in the circle hole and he pushed until he broke the hole.
Yep, if you need to shove a square object into a circular world, you should make sure it's the square that gets broken till it fits.
That’s how he always does things. Fifteen years ago I used to like his work. Not anymore. He’s a fake. The mystery box is empty and has always been empty.
@@thomasley4006 I've always thought he should find his own M Night Shayamamalamamalon to write endings for him. That way it his work wouldn't feel so hollow.
Judging by how successfully he essentially Assassinated the franchise, I think it is ....odd.... to think it wasn't intentional at this point. Kind of like leaving Kathleen Kennedy in charge of literally anything, let alone the Star Wars franchise which she is on film stating she wanted to destroy. It is an oddly targeted set of moves by Disney.
@@thekkidd3d where did she say she wanted to destroy star wars?
The knife also become silly for two reasons
1. It is ancient.... How would anyone make a knife in the past and have it fit perfectly with a space stationwreck in the future?
2. If sithcultists made the knife, why would the leave a important vault and shrine from their master and god unopened?
Also, in a world of technology and holographic maps, why take the painful time to carve a horisionpattern in the side of a knife instead of just plotting a datamap in another wayfinder and say "Hey idiot! It's here!"
Dislymminati
@@JoseMolina-jz9hh say what?
technically, its possible whoever made it had a vision which showed them
Maybe the knife could be changed, was modified, by previous owners. The knife is many knives.
I also feel like it’s worth mentioning that this semi-ceremonial knife was also just straight up that one assassin guy’s weapon. Like it’s hardly damning, but I feel like something that valuable shouldn’t be worn down through stabbing people, or face the risk of damage and loss that you’d have on that kind of mission.
One thing I never see mentioned about these scenes is that they used the wrong model of Death Star. The Death Stars 1 and 2 have visibly different designs in the band around them and the shape of the laser disk. They're supposed to be at the wreck of the DS2, but they just reused the leftover DS1 model from Rogue One.
I never noticed and now i cant unsee it
Thats like how the ships are just the models of the ISD 1 because they had the model from Rouge One, they just doubled the size and slapped a gun on its bottom
Wow, even more pathetic than I previously thought
Oh man, I did not notice this. So lazy.
The Falcon crash drove me nuts and no one ever complained about it. Thank you for bringing it up!! How does and Starwars fan like JJ says he is mess that up?
That's what I'm going for with the series: the things almost nobody noticed, and explaining the implications of them. -DZ
I remember wondering why the hell the Falcon crashed like that anyway, felt like I must have missed some offscreen storybeat. Because I mean....wtf, vtol anyone? It hovers before landing; why the hell would it have come screaming in for a landing like that and left a trough.
Moreover...WHO WAS FLYING THE SHIP, WTF
He's not a real star wars fan
To many things wrong and not enough anger.
@@awesomepants184 He's a casual fan. There is nothing wrong with casual fans, but someone with only a casual and minimal surface level understanding of the setting should never have control of the whole ship, especially with no oversight or someone with more knowledge of how the setting works to keep them in check.
Also, they present the knife as some ancient sith artifact but even if the DS doesn’t erode it can’t be more than 30 years old because the DS wasn’t wrecked for the dagger to match
the creator could have had a vision. They would have to be absurdly powerful in the force to have a vision that clear, seeing as there have, in most cases, not been visions that tell force-sensitives exact planet, location, and even room on a wreckage thousands of years in the future and remember it clearly enough for long enough to forge a knife to map it. But if you ignore details, it would probably be explained by visions.
@@pileoweirdnessEven then, *who* would that vision even be for in the first place? It only *helps* overthrow the Sith, not support the cause.
@@InfernosReaper I said ignore details, like many things with the sequels, it only makes sense if you stop thinking
But it could've been like, a splinter faction that practices sith teachings but doesn't align with the goals of the future sith, there's a lot of possibilities and I'm too tired to figure it out right now
@@pileoweirdnessThat's kinda the thing, though, why even make things needlessly complicated by having convoluted ways to get things done in the first place?
@@InfernosReaper idk man, shit just be like that, that's why I stopped interacting with any sequel trilogy content a while ago
The Emperor would find the suffocation of hard vacuum to be a minor inconvenience in the same way Leia did in The Last Jedi.
He shrugged off getting electrocuted, thrown down a shaft and exploded. AND Space vacuum for god knows how long.
@@hurion it definitely is. It's just not a very strong one.
@@hurion thats great and all but I don't really care.
@@hurion I'm literally referencing a line from the video but no really please go off.
Space is a vacuum though. It’s not a perfect one, rather a near perfect vacuum but that doesn’t mean it’s not a vacuum. Get your space facts right.
How fitting to have the Homeworld soundtrack, a game that understood the 3 dimensional aspects of space flight combat and flight, in a video about how Disney doesn’t understand space or spaceships
The music really is critical to the atmosphere, from Homeworld to Star Wars to this video. I was expecting to need some completely different music, but that worked in the end. The formation system and projectile simulation even allowed for those one-in-a-million lucky hits. -DZ
@@thebreadcircus didn’t Yes create the final track in homeworld? Homeworld (the ladder)? I love Yes and when they connect with cool things
Homeworld is a beautiful series. Back when games were an art form and not a cash grab
In Star Wars, ships are effectively inertialess in space. It’s the only way that ships would move like they do, and require fuel to keep moving forward (TLJ)
Star wars space ships are already incredibly unrealistic and impractical in the real world
I was at Galaxy's Edge when they first opened and saw a Moisture Vaporator with puddles of water all around it. I realized that the Imaginears didn't care about the functions of the SW Universe, just the aesthetic.
You're absolutely right about the misuse of vaporators as ornamental sculptures. They're prevalent all through Disney, as "an old thing from Star Wars". I can tell this story is true, because you're the first other person I've heard mention the issue. -DZ
Maybe it just had fresh batteries? (Kidding). It’s an excellent observation of their level of care.
Well, that's kinda accurate though, moisture vaporators in Florida would definitely cause puddles to form around them.
@@Rose_Butterfly98 galaxy's edge is a canon sw location, so it isn't florida
@@Rose_Butterfly98 But isn't the whole point of a vaporator to condense the water and the store it to be sold/used? As such any vaporator that is leaving a puddle around it is just broken regardless of environment.
Another huge issue with the knife is that, even if the Death Star isn't eroded it just points to somewhere inside the Death Star from super far away. Once you're approaching the Death Star how would you ever actually find where it was pointing. All it did was tell them which side of the Death Sat to start searching from. This means that if you could find the Death Star you pretty much could find the throne room, because the knife did not actually help with that.
The biggest issue with the knife is that its blade matches the Death Star wreckage despite existing _before_ the Death Star was destroyed
I feel like the knife matching with the exterior of the DS is bad because it’s too specific. I feel like it’s bad that this “ancient artifact” is barely 30 years old. But the biggest issue I have with it the dagger is to simply point out where the wayfinder is, which is the emperor’s throne room, aka the first place you would look to find sith relics. At that point simply having Oochi carry the wayfinder instead of the leads to less problems with the plot
@@tobyjack1238 yeah pretty much. My issue is it doesn't even point towards the wayfinder or the throne room. It just points at the exterior of the Death Star in the general direction of those things. You still have to search for them yourself, so like you said they would obviously look for the throne room first.
The vault room always bugged me so much, we’ve seen the outside of the throne room spire and there no way a room could fit on the side without changing the shape
"Somehow Palpatine returned"
Stupidest line in the whole of cinema history...
😂😂😂😂😂
It certainly does give "But one thing's sure. Inspector Clay is dead, murdered, and somebody's responsible." a run for its money.
"what are we some kinda suicide squad" is a close competitor that comes to mind 😂
Since we're torturing ourselves: "Danny just kinda forgot about the Iron fleet" is probably the dumbest sentence ever uttered by any author ever and it has the same vibe.
Not really
@@Andrew_Skywalker03 The only thing that is soon to not really be, is the STD, (Sequel Trilogy by Disney) You think Lucas won't treat it like he did the Christmas Special? Think again. F
Somehow, the Lego Star Wars game added secret rooms to the Emperor's tower in a more believable fashion than an actual Star Wars movie.
Subscribed. Why the Death Star wreckage is not on the Forest Moon of Endor or "Sanctuary moon", is a baffling decision. It clearly has lakes and seas interspersing the plains and deep mountainous forests covering its surface. As you have said, an underwater sequence would have been much more compelling, which incidentally are some of the strongest scenes from TPM and also could have served as a reference, nod, etc. It is yet another case of cloning a setting for no other reason than they can, when an identical and more interesting location already exists in canon (Though Jakku has kinda grown on me, despite being yet another desert planet). The physics of Disney Star Wars is as inexcusable as the lazy writing. The Homeworld OST reminds me of the 'Warlords' mods, wonder if you've seen them?
Another great water scene is the Dagobah swamp, which I think inspired TPM's water monsters. There's no telling what lurks under the surface.
The only issue with Jakku is how blatantly the movie wishes it was Tatooine. As a planet with a bunch of derelict Imperial vehicles, that's a neat concept. Reminds me of the Hardware: Shipbreakers videos we got, before that game was retooled into Homeworld: Deserts of Kharak. I didn't do too much modding, I loved the one for playable Turanic Raiders, and I got started designing a Kadeshi fleet in Wings3D. -DZ
@@thebreadcircus the aftermath trilogy and battlefront 2 campaign redeemed jakku for me, being where the empire had its final stand and all
@@thebreadcircus Well that just gets me thinking, imagine if it had been on Raxus Prime instead. Not just derelict Imperials, but surrounded by dead, decaying ships of all types, the Republic, the Empire, the CIS, etc.
@@pubcle yes, Raxus Prime would be even better.
When your movie is so s*** it can get pulled apart by MauLer for over 4 hours.. and there's still more shite to step in.
Kudos sir
The reverse crash/ planetary entry already looks intense, the characters would have no idea what their surroundings, not to mention seems more plausible of how the Falcon would crash if it lost control
Another happy landing
Truth. Crashing and not knowing what was coming would have been very tense for audiences. Instead, we got Spaceballs.
And it makes sense physically too, since (I'm assuming) based off of the layout of the falcon it would have most of the weight distributed towards the back anyways, especially since that's where the engines are. That could be offset by the cargo container/escape pod, but since qui'ra stole that, it's gone lol.
In Star wars Dark forces 2 there is a map carved in stone that a droid can analyze and then that droid can make a 3d hologram that would point to the planet that has the valley of the jedi. They could have done this with a bulkhead or even a 2d image from data card or something.
The Dark Forces games are infinitely better than the mind bogglingly idiotic sequel movies.
@@jimmyboy131 I still play Outcast and Jedi Academy to this day, such amazing great games. Playing as Luke's best bud Kyle is just awesome. I also always loved his lightsaber
@@sa-amirel-hayeed699 Totally agree! Dark Forces 2 and Jedi Outcast are two of my all time favorite games. If they simply created a graphical upgrade to them then I'd be super happy and would play them again as if they were new games. Jedi Academy was great, but not quite as fun as the previous two.
3:37 small correction, that is actually the New lore - the Disney lore
The EU version of that article mentions nothing about illegality
The Disney version names it "Sublight Engine", but the EU version is actually named "Sublight Drive"
Love that you're paying attention enough to catch this. I don't know the full story of the sublight "harmful emissions", so if anyone does then I'm all ears. It's not a story Wookieepedia would tell you.
I don't know how old this lore is, all I'm certain of is that it's from before the dark times, before Disney. A pre-prequel Essential Guide from 1996 has no mention of sublight engines being prohibited anywhere. The only place I remember seeing the illegality was the cross-sections books, in the first pages of the OT book. But as I recall, that one was only printed in the prequel era, and I don't yet own a copy to check.
You're right that "sublight drive" seems to be the more correct term. We hear the term "sublight engines" from Han's mouth, cut in when exiting hyperspace at Alderaan. I don't think Disney can lay any claim to the phrase. The distinction between "engine" and "drive" is subtle, so here's how I'd draw the line. A spaceship has three kinds of drive systems, one of which is the umbrella term "sublight drive". The drive system includes all the feedback and monitoring equipment, wiring, and cockpit controls involved with sublights. Then, the specific machinery with the ion thrusters, that'd be your "sublight engines". -DZ
@@thebreadcircus Revisited that article and checked on its citation - it specifically cites the "YT-1300 Millennium Falcon Owners' Workshop Manual" published in 2018 for those emissions
EDIT: misread your reply and went on a tangent correcting stuff that was actually not wrong in the first place, deleted my tangent
I can't see that sort of illegality being galaxy wide anyway. How do you do traffic cops in space? xD There's so many problems with the ideas of it, it gets a little absurd. How would ships land and takeoff without getting tickets all the time? Air and ground repulsorlifts as standard tech? Seems like a stretch for low-end or low-weight ships. The list just goes and goes.
@@thed3m0n0id9 that kind of stuff is actually well-enforced in EU lore, where the Center-Mid Rim worlds are just loaded with cops, while the Outer Rim (where Tattooine is) is a lawless wasteland
And even then, a lot of lawless wastelands rely on bounty hunters as law enforcement. The Corporate Sector and Hutt Space have their own private law enforcement which also included Bounty Hunters
It's a fun little contrast we get in the films between Coruscant's ultra-advanced police database with the analysis droids, and Tattooine having nothing but Bounty Hunters, but this carries over to the EU well and is mentioned in The Bounty Hunter Code
(Oh, and Rian Johnson cites The Jedi Path as a justification for Force Skype Calls, but The Jedi Path is in the exact same series as Bounty Hunter Code + mentions a lot of EU material such as reborn Sheev. The canonity of this book to Disney lore is extremely suspect)
EDIT: and because you got me mentioning Coruscant, Coruscant is actually a planet-wide Warhammer 40K Hive City covered in skyscrapers on top of skyscrapers on top of derelict buildings that can crumble any moment, the law enforcement is absolutely brutal and advanced on the higher parts but almost nonexistent at the lower levels, with the actual ground of the planet being a lightless hellscape full of mutants and monsters
George Lucas loved this idea so much that his cancelled show before Disney came in was about Coruscant's lower levels
Coruscant is basically Necromunda but it covers the whole planet
@@Necroxion Oh yeah, I know all this. Actually, I love that you mentioned a hive city like Necromunda in ref to Coruscant, because great parallel.
What I'm getting at is how it impossible it would be to effectively police *any* sectors of space, given the sheer stupid size of it and how easy it is to ditch sensor traces and run silent, from the "realism" standpoint anyway.
For an idea, play some Elite Dangerous and try to track ships in realspace more than 20km away; your sensors get real flaky at long ranges. Now imagine trying to police just the space in and around a ring system around a common gas giant; literally impossible to cover all that at once. Security forces have to respond to calls or patrol set areas.
Now imagine a solar system. Now a region of space. Now the whole galaxy.
UNPOSSIBLE haha
The forces to have these laws and to tracks folks are in-place - I wasn't trying to deny their existence at all- but like I said, there's a TON of practical problems with it.
Chief amongst them being...how does one not get a ticket every time you make a perfectly legal landing/takeoff at a port with the "no sublight drives" law? Or not get shot down?
When filming Star Trek 2009 with Chris Pine as Kirk, Pine had issues with some of the things the script had him saying, so he went to JJ to ask for clarification on it. JJ took him aside, and said "It doesn't matter, you just run on, you just run on and say it as fast and as earnestly as possible, *THE AUDIENCE WON'T CARE,* all they'll think is 'something's happening! something's happening!'"
Except the audience *does* care. Its why we're watching movie 7, 8, and 9 in a series. We wanted to see another story in Star Wars, featuring the heroes that we grew up loving, with...logical storytelling. Not full of mystery boxes, red herrings, and a conclusion movie to a trilogy that features the entire fucking plot to three different trilogies in it.
This disrespect for the audience (the people paying for your stuff) is just unbelievable. How can someone with this attitude stay in that buisness?
@@riesenbonobo7846 He doesn't just stay, he thrives. And he's fostered this mentality in people like Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse.
The fact that bionicle got randomly mentioned enticed me
Agreed
The Bionicle dream connects us all
Subscribed. I never thought about the Falcon crash landing... Honestly I had forgotten about it. But this makes perfect sense, unlike anything in the Disney Sequels. They had absolutely no care about anything.
the only difference between you and the writers when it comes to not considering those details is that they got paid for it 😂 if the writers see this video, they'll probably ask themselves "why didn't I think of that?"
@@goldzior1128 Well, here's the difference between myself and the creators... I didn't make the worthless movie and I was only half paying attention to it, since I was a mixture of bored and pissed off about the lack of care they gave to my beloved franchise. The entire movie was leaked before it even came out, and I didn't believe the leaks because I didn't believe that it could possibly be as ridiculously bad as what the leaks stated. As I was watching it, I just kept wondering what was taking the movie so long to end and I couldn't wait for it to just be over. I've only seen the movie once, in the theater because I got to see it for free, and that's more than enough. So, the Falcon crashing didn't even stick in my memory despite me picking tons of other things about the movie that I didn't agree with and have been complaining about since it was released. There's so much wrong with it that this one detail slipped through the cracks.
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He is just surrounded by a bunch of yes Men. There is no one even questioning him.
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Listen To that homeworld theme.
Brings back memories. Kharak May burn, but The exiled endure.
Thanks for not immediately dismissing the idea of Palpatine’s dark essence remaining within his throne room. It’s such a cool idea that has precedent in the lore, with Sith preserving themselves or leaving a trace of themselves in locations and artifacts because they can’t access life after death like the Jedi can, because the method goes against their whole philosophy
Palpatines throne room (the room the dark lord resided in, meditated in the dark side and probably performed dark rituals in) being soaked in the dark side is like one of the only smart choices they made
i love how its done in the thrawn trilogy
All they needed to do was have the vault in the emperor's quarters instead of the throne room!
And it was a perfect opportunity to introduce Sith holocrons. The holocron, being in the hands of someone connected to the dark side, projected the location of the Sith planet.
No daggers, no 'wayfinders', no Mary Sue from a DESERT planet expertly sailing a very rough ocean.
The thing I love about the death star throne room spire, is that it looks a lot like the Council chamber spire of the Jdei Temple.
The conception of the knife is the worst part. It points to a part of the death star ruin, so somebody must have made it after the death star fell.
Someone who knew about palpatines personal storage was alive after the second deathstar blew up, had the time and energy to find every piece of the death star, figure out the location of a meters wide tower on a surface area larger, than 120.000 square kilometers, and then have the motivation to make a knife be the treasure map and not get the treasure themselves.
Like who would do the wrolds most complicated jigsaw puzzle just to give the reward to someone else?
What they were going for was it was based on foresight. Thus you have to be there at the serendipitus moment too.
14:02 : I'll be damned... they DID use the correct tower, they just misplaced it on the DSII hull.
I only watched this hot garbage once in theater on release, and missed that detail completely because it's only shown for a few seconds; I just assumed someone forgot to look at the death star plans when they made this, but it turns out they did, they just decided to mangle it for no well explained reason.
Found this channel randomly, I can only say that I will watch your career with great interest
One landing gear question: Why would landing with the repulsors destroy the ventral turret and block the ramp? Couldn't they just leave them on like a speeder and hover there?
I think that's just my failure to enunciate: you're right, it's supposed to say "without repulsors" there. -DZ
I personally like the hologram projector as the map because I enjoy the thought of the timeline where Finn kept and gutted it and made it his lightsaber once he started getting training as a Jedi, especially since it might actually have occurred to him to do so if he already thought he was Force Sensitive. I like the idea of him nicking some old Empire/First Order tech to make his lightsaber too, just because it seems right for his hilt to be at least somewhat of a memento of how far he's come as a person.
The Kerbal Space Program video examples were just perfect.
I really like the idea of a tablet.
Brute forcing something onto stone sounds really Sith, and you can make it have multiple functions, such as opening the vault if you know how to unfold it or what to touch.
If only JJ and Riyan had watched a STAR WARS movie, read a STAR WARS book, played with a STAR WARS figure, or had a speck of talent.
JJ especially, he really had no redeeming qualities in his run with Star Wars
@@PandaJerk007
And to those who call him "Jar Jar Abrams" I say, don't be insulting Jar Jar Binks like that!
@@KororaPenguin 100% agreed! :)
If the knife had a laser-outerface, like as if it lights up, and maybe over-charging it creates a hologram layer ontop of it and pulses extending outwards past the edges of the knife.
It'd fulfill both functions of a map covering a large area that even if the Deathstar corroded, it would still make a lot of landmarks recognisable, as well as the pride of a Sith in using a weapon based on the throne room of Palpatine.
This series is great for multiple reasons. One, it points out and fixes all the issues. But for two, it reminds me that I actually watched this movie. I don't remember any of this happening. A movie so bad I just repressed any memory of watching it.
Like, as much as TFA and TLJ have their flaws, I was at least engaged enough to remember what happens in them. I watch scenes from TRoS and it's like I'm watching a completely new movie.
This channel is amazing. I love that you included the Star Trek scene where the Enterprise saucer crashes. I LOVE that you said the ship tries to keep them alive 🥹 Wouldn’t it have been AMAZING to see the Falcon crash! Thank you so much for giving me HOPE that there is a fix to 7, 8, 9. I couldn’t click subscribe fast enough! I’m sad I didn’t find it sooner.
Edit: PS: I got the Scylla/Charybdis reference. My character name in Knights of the Old Republic is actually Kharybdis! 😊
I'm glad you mentioned this, especially since I had seriously considered leaving that Charybdis reference out. Maybe using "out of the frying pan, into the fire" instead. We really appreciate the feedback. -DZ
Tbh, that scene from ST Generations brings a tear to my eye even now, years later. Hard to watch the 1701-D get the shit kicked out of her like that.
@@thebreadcircus definitely appreciate the reference as it is, especially with Star Wars being so rooted in myth. Subscribed and engaged.
"You didn't notice it" is the quote they should show when she gets fired
Erosion makes the dagger nonsensical? How about it's existence at all? Did they hire a blade smith to come out to the wreck and make a knife that looks like it?
-Great video
-Rey does react to water in 7.
-Knife's existence might work better as some sort of prophecy for invaluable artifacts, they just didn't know it was very situational (if kept as wayfinder not holocron)
I feel the weirdest part for the knife is that it is an ancient knife, and was stated as an age that predated the crash of the death star. And yeah I know prophecy could have been the reason, but why? There needs to be a reason for it to be prophesied about, and it doesn't really have any other than to be a pointy thing to find a way finder
@@mastere6115 thats what I was getting at, prophecy for something invaluable but the creators didn't know it was only valuable in this very specific circumstance.
Man, this trilogy was such a disappointment. What a waste of our last shots with Luke, Leia, and Han. It's like nobody knows how to write a story anymore and all anyone, making movies cares about is spectacle. Especially at Disney. You get a big flashy movie that hopefully looks cool but makes no sense at all. I'm amazed they finished the Infinity Saga without completely turning to this crap. Even No Way Home, which I liked for nostalgia like we all did, makes no sense at all. It's a bummer to see Star Wars in the gutter and Marvel on shaky legs. Oh, and their Indiana Jones is garbage too.
Really, all of cinema is in the gutter.
Another alternative to the knife being the map? No map at all. It already says it's in the Emperor's throne room. They should already know what part of the Death Star to look for. If they wanted the knife to be important again, they could have it be the key.
Just gonna throw this out there because it wasn’t mentioned…but the emperor literally JUST showed up to the Death Star for the events of ROTJ, so why did he have the wayfinder stored in a vault on the Death Star and not on one of his palaces, etc.?
"Don't think. Enjoy the spectacle" - Jar Jar
They just wanted something cool that the Goonies did.
"The rock, the lighthouse and the restaurant... all match the dabloon." ~Mikey
Complete with a pov shot of holding it up..
Now you've got me thinking about the Truffle Shuffle. -ED-1TA
@thebreadcircus Know this: The truffle shuffle has better lore potential than anything the sequel trilogy could try to muster.
Idea for the knife to work; what if it wasn't an intentional design? What if Rey just found a broken old knife, and the Force told her it was important - and then, when they stumble across the remains of the Deathstar (for unrelated reasons) she suddenly recognizes the outline of the wreck, pick up the dagger, and sure enough, COINCIDENCE, it matches the skyline and points them towards the vault.
My man built the Millennium Falcon in KSP to show us how the crash would look
I think the knife with the pointer would have worked if it was leading you to the Sith planet. Use it in conjunction with a star map to do the outline thing, and the pointer shows you where the system you need to go is.
"Have you ever dreamed about lying naked in a bath of BIONICLE?"
Well i sure as hell am gonna now
The whole ordeal here is that they did everything except what would actually be right..
**Mass Effect music plays during intro**
Me: **travels back to a better time... before the dark times... before... The Last Jedi**
I haven't seen a gimmick like that knife trick since "The Goonies" because JJ is so original.
Yup. JJ mining for the 'Member Berries with a Goonies homage.
The time is December, 2024.
Star Wars has started a show which is very much Goonies but Star Wars (or Amblin but Star Wars), and everyone's loving it.
Love your use of KSP to explain SW physics
5:03 Not exacly iirc the ships have additonal small truster placed around the ship, so they could theoreticly slow down without flying backwards.
A real spaceship would, I don't think we've ever seen indications that Star Wars ships have RCS.
the thing about the knife is that someone knew where to find the map to exegol, didn't retrieve it and instead took a picture from a hilltop so they could grind their ancient sith dagger into the shape of perishable wreckage at the machine shop, then flew halfway across the galaxy and dropped it in a snake hole?
Still waiting to hear what the bionicle bath was like...
Bathtub of Bionicle? Why are you trying to live my childhood fantasy??
Why didnt Palpatine just clone himself and send his clone to Endor because he foresaw his fate in Return of the Jedi? This would have been a very plausible way to bring him back - seeing that it was he that created all the clones in the first place - why not make a couple for himself - hell, Hitler used doubles in real life because people were trying to kill him - the technology was already there in the SW universe and they thought of ‘somehow’ he returned. No imagination from the writers - i mean it was a dumb idea to bring him back but at least this way it would have made sense.
That's something I'd never considered. Even if he can't trust his own clones not to betray him, there's nothing preventing cosmetic surgery. How hard is it to make a normal person look like the Emperor? Well, they did it with nothing but makeup and prosthetics in 1983, so it should be easy to make hundreds of decoys. -DZ
@@thebreadcircus I personally would have hated that, because it would retcon the end of Return of the Jedi and honestly would have made the sequel trilogy make no sense to ever have happened in the first place (Though perhaps that would have been a blessing..). If Palpatine didn't die, then he'd still hold the strings of the Empire and it wouldn't have fallen apart. Sure they'd have been a bit more hard pressed for losing ANOTHER Death Star, but it would have prevented the New Republic from forming. Among many other butterfly effects of such a change in the story.
Interesting views on things, would love to hear more
We should have the fourth part up soon. -S
I want my Bionicle bathtub now!
I didn't know what this video really was about but it got me interested and well, as soon as I heard the homeworld music a strange nostalgia overcame me and kept me hooked.
I got to know homeworld through the remastered.
Homeworld is still making new fans, eh? The remasters have great audio, and I never dreamed of being able to select Heidi or Jennifer as the voice of Karan. Even so, I'll always love the original engine of HW1 and Cataclysm(/"Emergence"). -DZ
@@thebreadcircus I pity every sci fi fan who doesn't know what Homeworld is. It's influence and brilliance can't be understated.
I liked your video btw.
The cylinder with no discernable function could give the heroes a useful puzzle to solve. Maybe the key to the map requires them to travel to multiple locations. It could also require the collection of data modules that are useless without the map cylinder.
Here to be the part of the OG 100 subscribers. Before the channel blows up!
We put your name at the end of our newest video. Did you notice? -S
@@thebreadcircus 🙂Will check. Thank you!
@@thebreadcircus Yup, sure did! Thank you
I think what makes it worse for me is that the red arrow on the knife actually points to the spire, like its there in the movie, but still no one stopped and thought about how stupid it is that a "secret" room would be on the outside of it
My issue with the knife is more with the Death Star wreckage itself, why hasn't the wreckage already been striped and salvaged for parts? Even exploded there should be more than enough salvage on it. If not for the republic itself, then for salvage teams & scavengers.
The trench run does not take place in the equatorial trench, but in a network of trenches around the pole of the death star, as you can see in the 3D animation of the plans during dodonna's briefing. These trenches likely have the same purpose as the vent, to vent excess reactor energy during the firing of the superlaser.
I don't think saying "a moon in the Endor system" really solves anything. The Death Star 2 orbited the forest moon, not the planet, and therefore debris should have crash landed there and not on another of the 9 moons in that system, more than likely hundreds of thousands of kilometres away from one another's orbits.
They only used the other moon excuse because they didn't want the Ewoks to all die because of the profit they earn from keeping them in existence.
It was such a strange decision to make the death star wreck on a different planet rather than just saying it landed in an ocean on endor. It's like they tried to make this movie as dumb as possible.
I didn't even know it was supposed to be the Endor system on my first watch. I assumed the "delta three six transient" was all a string of nonsense, so I didn't notice they'd slipped Endor's name in until making this video. The establishing shot completely failed to establish the location.
Putting it on another moon is still strange, but proves the issue was caught early enough for someone to add a line to explain it. That takes it out of the realm of absolutely, positively, definitely not possible. -DZ
The moon or whatever it is where the wreckage landed should have been completely obliterated. Extinction level event.
At most only half of the wreckage would've landed on the sanctuary moon. The side pointing away would've gone *that* way. It still would be an extinction level event. But the explosion was from the center of DS2 and radiated in all directions.
The biggest issue though is that it's somewhat implied at the end of RotJ that either the debris wasn't in any big chunks, or they were blown away from the moon.
If a piece the size of what we see in RoS were to hit Ewok's moon there wouldn't have been the feast in the end. They would all be to busy meeting their God for real and it would've happened in less than an hour.
Since we see no large debris, I'm going to say the original intent would've been the near atomisation of DS2, much like the original.
It would have been better if they used the compass from Pirates of the Caribbean.
Would you believe that the movie itself calls the wayfinder a compass? It honestly seems to be a copy of the Jack Sparrow compass. No more, no less. -DZ
@@thebreadcircus I meant to replace the dagger.
They shown that you can go out on ships through shielding for star-wars. It's just like how the moon pools work and how they can have open hangerbay doors.
JJ seems to think the Millennium Falcon is indestructible, it's one of the many stupid thinks about his Star Wars movies.
Oh… the knife is literally supposed to be an arrow… that explains a lot now
You’ve basically described a classic 1950s-style rocketship and how it lands. The Expanse does an excellent job of displaying this.
Great vid.
I can't wait for Part II: Locating the Vault
JJ ruins most anything he touched
Great video! You really bring tons of info and ideas. Thank you
Driving engagement for a good video. Hope for the best. Thanks
When it comes to the knife, it really would have been better to use the segmented scroll... you could even make it an object that Jedi would be reluctant to touch, like segments made out of slain Jedi bones from Order 66 or something. Make it so that even holding the object could slowly corrupt a person!
This is a very good critique as it shows how much lore and thought wasn't used throughout the movie
I'm 50 seconds in and feel scared and lost. Like I walked into the wrong college lecture on their 2nd year.
The knife was so silly xD I wish JJ had just told the damn crew he wanted to reference The Goonies.
And ya know...Idk why I never thought about the vault in relation the to the Emperor's Tower xD that's a very good point. Where the hell was it???
Refreshingly insightful, which makes me feel even more sad about the whole 'last three'.
Just found your channel and so far it's great! Thanks
Great video.
A shame they messed up the movies and the franshise so much... 😔
Two things: The Falcon also has manuvering thrusters that seem to double as landing thrusters, these are seprate from the sublights and do not seem to be repulsors, the clip of the landing sequence you showed demonstrates this very clearly. It's unclear if the Falcon's thrusters are strong enough to land without any other tech assistance but it's somewhat implied by the way the thrusters arrest the decent- if this was possible with repulsors it'd be both more gentle and better for maintanance reasons so we'd expect to see it so this somewhat implies that whatever antigrav tech lets the falcon stay aloft and hover likely doesn't work well or smoothly in close to the ground.
Secondly: The Taidani music was great, it really seemed to fit the themes well for the first bit of the video. Though admitedly I was expecting an attack at any moment
Enganging in 3, 2...
Great analysis, glad I waited until the end and did not just leave a dislike because I thought you were making an apology video on Kathleen's behalf.
Why was I called out at the end? Just let me live with my Bionicles in peace!
He's raising money for his own, have a heart.
Are you seriously trying to make logical sense out of the writing on this movie?
Sit down
Eat a biscuit
Watch a better movie
lol🫓
13:50 - Ahhh, the original Homeworld music. ❤️
The throne room has an establishing shot in return of the jedi, it is a spire. It is the same kind of design as McQuarrie's mooring towers. So we can say it is a converted mooring tower dressed up for the occasion. The pit is an air vent as you find many places in the death star, to allow people to breathe. It doesn't need special security since the shield isn't supposed to go down, though we still do see a TIE combat patrol fly by in the establishing shot.
"There is also a squat cylinder with no discernible function. Even that can't be worse than the knife."
Yeah. He really did choose the worst option there.
I've watched episode 6 at least 50 times and I never realized the throne room was in a Tower on the Stations surface. Thank you! :D
You’re going far fella, great video :)
Thank you! We appreciate it. -S
What would be super cool is if Rey had to abseil down the secret elevator shaft, calling back to her first scene.
Any genuine fan of anything - ultimately the very definition of a nerd - will absolutely notice when things are off, regardless of what is off. That corporations keep chasing new markets and new people is ultimately self-defeating. The only people that won't notice are the people that do not give a shit to begin with, and these people will also not commit to whatever you want them to buy into, because they don't care, precisely because they're not nerds.
A good customer base is cultivated, grown, and kept over time, and they buy into the things that suit their interests, and will remain committed for most of their life. But modern corporations threw all of that away since they only saw brands and wanted to chase for a modern audience that does not exist, and an audience that will eat anything but commit and take a genuine interest in nothing.
Good analysis. I didn't notice these problems in the movie. But I would have noticed them, and admired them, and maybe even watched the movie more; had they been in it. Seeing thought out details is much more provocative than missing what is not noticed.
Your falcon landing backward idea would have made for a really cool visual moment too.
It would have been something genuinely new.
12:45 I wonder if the lady and Chris Terrio in the back are laughing at him and his idea....
I imagine they are laughing about being paid hundreds of dollars per hour to stand around and do nothing. -S
Well I wasn’t gonna dream about bathing in bionical but I am now thanks!
Man, this movie would have been so much better if we got an extended sequence where the heroes need to trek to the Death Star, hell it could be an Indiana Jones style race against the bad guys, have Kylo and the First Order arrive at the same time as the good guys, have a short space battle where both sides get damaged and have to land off from the Death Star, and then do that. We don't need a map, just give the location of the holocron/wayfinder as on the Death Star ruins (which most people should know the location of). Just make it so C3PO can read the Sith runes and cut out that whole subplot to give space for a fun and dangerous adventure across the ruins. Hell, we can actually use Hux to suggest that the throne room is the most likely location of the macguffin, and perhaps he knows where the throne room is because the First Order went there before but couldn't search it because it was flooded. We create a way more exciting sequence, cut out a whole bunch of unnecessary plot beats and lore contradictions, and we get to actually use a character who has been built up for three movies. Hux could provide comic relief still but also clash in an entertaining way with Finn.
been sayin since movie came out where rey and kylo are isn't the throne room from ep6, totally different
In that behind-the-scenes documentary, they do show a wireframe of the throne room. That looked all present and correct to me, but there's no good view of the turbolift shaft area. The secret door? Absolutely not possible. -DZ
@@thebreadcircus i compared all footage of it, to ROTJ, the over head catwalk isn't there, and a few other things and comparin around his chair there is a lot different, believe its his throne room, just a different one,
@@annawhite1591 Interesting. I think we may took a closer look at that in the future. With credit, of course. -S
Yea but he also crashed the ship in Force Awakens as well. He just like to repeat sequences
There's another aspect not really covered about the potential underwater scenes: _how would Rey know how to swim?_ Knowing what we do now, she'd just Mary Sue it. But still.