This is a nearly perfect example of the "quintescential nerd conversation". Way more detail than is really needed. But perfectly and meticulously supported. Loved the video, bring my back to arguing with my cousins over which ship in the TIE-FIGHTER dog fighting game we would rather personally own.
The good ol days XD , I'd go with the classic standard, the Tie Fighter. Awful cockpit but great aesthetic. What would you choose, out of any Star wars non capital ship?
@@Blessed_V0id I'm a huge fan of the TIE Interceptor. But things like the B-Wing, or TIE Defender would be pretty neat as well. Don't know why but I lean toward those heavier "Multi-role fighter" models.
@19:48 Anakin's Custom Delta-7B Aethersprite-class light interceptor "Azure Angel", from the original Clone Wars series, has a centrally mounted Astromech forward of the cockpit.
So did the other variant of the Delta-7 seen in the 3D clone wars series, in that one every Jedi has a newer variant of the Delta-7 with a centerline astromech socket, including Obi Wan.
2:31 "How does one acquire such military grade equipment?" Well, you see... ~First the players need to determine what kind of military grade equipment they want (common or rare, old vs current vs experimental, overall quality, which faction's military, etc.). ~Then the GM needs to gauge the difficulty of obtaining it based on the above criteria and the overall cost. ~Next the players check their talent trees to see if they "know someone" and/or have other perks that will either lower the difficulty or upgrade their dice pool. ~Finally, if the players have enough credits and succeed in their roll, then they'll get such military grade equipment. I'm sorry, these videos really make me geek out on Fantasy Flight's Star Wars tabletop games.
I run the old West End Games RPG. Brilliant stuff. I think a better way would to suggest, assuming you can leave the main narrative, a hit, basically, to go get the equipment. Unless you are already part of a military organization acquiring modern or certainly experimental military tech should be quite difficult in the time of the Empire.
@@pubcle My last game did have heists as a theme, though they were allied with the Empire. They managed to even have stormtroopers guard them while stealing fuel from right under their nose!
19:54 I believe the clone wars animated show has a number of centrally mounted astromech droids in delta 7's, whether you consider that a reliable source or not is another question
@@Sky_Guy yeah, but there's some artistic license taken in the clone wars show, so it might be that it's actually the same ship looking different in the different styles
@@Agarricusthe artistic differences are more designs of the characters and slight changes to the ships but I think this is to big of a change to be considered an “artistic license”
One of my favorite lore video is the one answering the question of the comfiest seat on the Jedi council. Because that is the kind of deep lore we really need.
@@HappyBeezerStudios wait did they actually go into it semi-seriously and not just "this one looks the comfiest because the texture of the seat looks soft"
The ship with a class 0.6 hyperdrive is the Jade Shadow. It was a SoruSubb Horizon-class star yacht originally owned by Mara Jade. After the fall of the Empire and Mara Jade joining the New Jedi Order (and eventually starting a relationship with Luke Skywalker), Mara and Luke had Han upgrade the ship's hyperdrive - which Han gladly did on the grounds that he wouldn't make it faster than the Falcon.
That's such a Han thing to do. "Haha yeah sure man I'll do it free of charge too pal. Since we've been though so much and you introduced me to my wife." *Dead-Pan Eye-Contact* "But I'm not gonna make us Equal." *Slaps Side of Fulcan* "She's always gonna be the best."
@@mazz2622 in the correct and best canon, Jade always was canon. The Thrawn Trilogy WAS the next story, after the OT. It still IS the next story in line.
I play a Star Wars MUD (for the uninitiated a MUD is a text based online game) where you can design your own ships. Everyone wants something of the approximate size and function as the millennium falcon because its just the right size for anything. It can haul small amounts of cargo if you are bored and want menial work to make money, Large enough to chew up fighters and survive against something bigger until you jump into hyperspace, large enough for spacious living quarters and small enough that you do not need a crew if you do not want to.
And yet we do not have an accepted name for that ship size, so I like to call them 'Brigs' at 20-40 meters and defined by their ability to fit in conventional starfighter hangers. While I call things at the 50-90 m range like a Gozanti or GR-75 a 'Sloop'.
4:48 The Acclamator class assault ship had a hyperdrive rating of 0.6, which is insane because such things would be decades-old by the time of the OT and was a mass-produced light capital warship.
Virtually all the stats on the Aclamator are absurd exagerations from the incredible cross-sections book who's author was a total wanker and wrote all of it in a dick-measuring contest with StarTrek. It's so riddled with inconsistency and internal logical errors that it should be discarded in it's entirity. While Acclamator might be faster then Venator theirs no way it was so far ahead of every other warship in the galaxy.
The Acclamator *was* designed as one of the first long haul supply and troop carriers of the Grand Army of the Republic, and its main purpose was to move a LOT of troops all over Republic territory ASAP at the outbreak of the war
A heavily modified SoroSuub Horizon-class Star Yacht. Call it the Emerald Shade or something like that. Maybe keep a Z-95 Headhunter in the aft docking bay. Definitely a R9 astromech and maybe a jedi spouse.
Might want to be careful, don't want it to end up being used as a remote torpedo against an Imperial installation and have to shell out for a replacement. 😆
This could be considered pedantic, but with regard to the complaint about anakin’s starfighter, please pause the video at 20:37; if you look at the bottom of the port side wings on both obi wan and anakin’s ships, they have a small sidecar compartment, one which has enough space for the body of an R2 unit; the compartment is also visible in the previous shot, on mustafar, where there appears to be enough space for R2 inside if we take the measurement from the first frame with R2 fully ejected and account for the roughly 15 degree change of direction R2 is performing in midair. Another piece of evidence, albeit slightly less solid due to it being from a toy and not the films, is the lego set for “anakin’s jedi interceptor” which i had as a kid, that had a compartment for R2 in the wing much like the ones on the ships in the video, and if you dont believe me, feel free to search the quoted name and see for yourself.
14:58 slight correction, R5 was never stated in anything canonical to have done this. It came from one comic that was written as a joke. The same comic said he was force sensitive too, so I'm not sure it's the most reliable source, and that's honestly by design.
@@derpoltergeist8265 Some narratives within FACPOV can be assumed to be canonical, and some less so. The collection of stories have some which bare dubious canonicity.
R4 in the delta 7 obi wan pilots in AOTC is an intergrated droid that was just a head that couldnt be removed from the ship. There was no body casing and legs with the body internals kept within the hull. As for R2D2 in ROTS that is a mistake.
This is my favorite kind of content. This is how you do self inserts. Normally self inserts are hated, and for good reason. Media is plagued with god-like Mary Sue's and Marty Stu's, as it is... all simultaneously existing in a vacuum bubble outside of canon. But this... This is well thought out, well researched, transparently honest, and wholly immersive. I really, really, love these kinds of self-insert thought experiments. Especially when you run down the cost. That's as real as real can get. Looking forward to seeing more... essays... for lack of a better word... done in this style.
I like the "if I were a regular guy in that universe" self-inserts. One doesn't always has to be the hero. The majority of people in fiction would be regular people doing regular jobs. I had the same thought about Star Trek. I wouldn't want to be the captain of the fastest, most advanced, baddest starship. I'd much prefer something smaller, more manageable, as sort of independent contractor.
I had it TTRPG group pick up that ship for the exact same reason too, except for one extra modification, you can modify the cargo bays to fit in a fighter, or pick up some recovered vulture droids and deploy them.
man.... your love for star wars and attention to the details is so goddam beautiful. I love these videos so much. Started with that 12 hr Ep1 vid and haven't stopped... more plz thx
I've been loving your videos lately, shocked to see you only had 5k subscribers. Keep it up! _edit: yes I wrote a comment before the six minute mark what does that have to do with anything-_
So, regarding the Delta 7, there _is_ actually a variant with a center-mounted Astromech, we just don't see it in the movies. It's the Delta 7B. This variant has the droid socket in the center in front of the cockpit, and to compensate for the new visual obstruction, moves the cockpit upwards and backwards a bit. We see this variant used in the Clone Wars before the introduction of the Eta 2 Actis.
5:53 - If what you say here is true, then you are obliged to acknowledge that the Millennium Falcon does _not_ have a "class .5 hyperdrive" at all. Instead, the Falcon can "make .5 past lightspeed" - As in, the maximum speed of the Falcon is 1.5. times the literal speed-of-light. After all, _"you can't just go and change something. (....) Not even Lucas has the authority to alter canon."_
I would want an hwk-290 light freighter. It is small enough to fly like a X-wing, but big enough to have sleeping arrangements. Easy to modify. Optional Variable Engine geometry, magnalock (magnetically sealed) dorsal docking hatch. Able to carry up to five cargo containers of various types via magnalock plating on Variable geometry engines (magnetically sealed to the hull until released), Optional ventral twin ion cannon Turret/twin laser cannon Turret/twin heavy Blaster Turret (no stock Turret, only room for one Turret at a time), 4 engine mounted Laser cannons (modified from stock X-Wing laser cannons). 1.0 military grade hyperdrive with matching Navcom. Definitely would want a Dedicated Astromech droid for astrogation aid and space based repairs.
19:48 the Delta 7B from the Clone Wars, a show that is apart of canon and legends, has a thicker midsection to allow for a full R series astromech to be inserted. The older Delta 7 can only fit the head and it’s internal components. After the start of the Clone Wars, R4 was torn out of the her Delta 7 and given a full body
This is what I used to contemplate for years as a teenager. With those same original 'essential guide' books from the 90's. I'm glad I wasn't the only one.
At the very start of the channel, those Essential Guide books were just about all the references we used . I loved the style of those books, it came to exactly the same result. You definitely weren't the only one. It was wonderful to get a (nearly) full Essential Guide set a few years ago. -DZ
20:11 the Eta 2 has sockets with "buckets" to hold the droids. If creative with modifications you could make an astromech version of the viper probe droids and hard wire into the slot for a dedicated navigation and added scanner array.
The feel of the Millenium Falcon is a heavily modified bootlegger's muscle car. It's like if the 18-wheeler Jerry Reed is druving had the speed and maneuverability of the trans am Burt Reynolds is driving in Smokey & The Bandit. The 18 wheeler also has anti aircraft guns in the back, and a minigun in the cab. The Falcon is a cargo ship, but it's also fast and maneuverable. It's like the General Lee, but with the trunk space of a tractor trailer.
The snippit from Revenge of the Sith in the video even shows it. Possibly skipped in the crossections book, and maybe they didn't render it in other images of the ships as symmetrical was less time consuming and complicated to render. Want to rewatch RotS and check :)
Fun video, successfully & entertainingly plumbing the depths of the WEG (and WotC) RPG books. On the Astromech/Eta-2 issue, the cross-sections do show a boxy structure below the droid socket, which could just-about house R2, with his shoulders protruding and his legs telescoped-up the same way they do in the Naboo N1 socket. This requires less distortion of local space than it does to have the actors standing upright in the Millennium Falcon! Also, as others have noted, we never see R2 in a standard Delta 7 wing socket, just the central-line socket versions in both the Tartakovsky CW and Filoni et al TCW series. So the spherical R4-P series explanation can definitely work.
in that cross section drawing of obi wan’s delta 7, there is only a head so r4 cant be spherical or have a body, most likely it was just the head. in the 2008 clone wars i believe all of the delta 7s were a 2nd version (delta 7b) with an astromech in the middle rather than being offset, so they could fit the bodies. i think by this point r4 probably wouldve got a body as now hed be able to completely fit inside the starfighters, and later on also fit inside the eta 2s thanks to that bulge under the wings which you pointed out
In that final shot of the Jedi fighters, they showed a big bulky box showing up beneath the droids, making the hull thicker there. I only now noticed that.
Yep, on the port wing there is a box for accommodating a suitable astromech which is visible in that shot of the Eta-2 Actis. This is shown is the Star Wars Complete Cross-Sections book if one looks closely at the relevant entry.
As much as I love the flying brick with guns that is the YV 929 armed freighter, if we’re focusing on saving money I’m going with a Barloz class medium freighter. Still a CEC ship. Only 70,000 credits. It’s old, but reliable and tough with 150tons of cargo. The bay itself can fit an A wing easily. Class 2 hyperdrive comes stock with back up Class 10. There’s only 1 laser cannon turret but that can be swapped out and more added. For droids I’d go with an R4, and probably some kind of protocol or service droid to help with translations, paperwork, and loading cargo.
I'd rather have a Dynamic class freighter. Faster sublight and with enough space for cargo, crew comfort and weapons. One bonus is that you can fit a J type Nubian hyperdrive which is easy to repair and modify to be faster and more efficient. The Dynamic also comes standard with two twin turbolasers and two medium laser cannon turrets.
Here I was, feeling self conscious for liking the Wayfarer-class Medium Transport as much as I do, a ship that originated in an RPG rather than having a more noble pedigree, and then you go and mention the Ghtroc 720. They're both basically designed to be nearly perfect for a party of traveling misfi- uh, heroes.
Ngl, I always saw the Falcon as something like a mobile home that also doubled as a tug boat. Kind of like a long hauler in real life has a mini apartment in the rigs cab for the misses or your whole family. Friend of mine takes his misses and two youngest with him everywhere now that his oldest kid went off to a boarding school.
Endless Skies on steam has a well developed ship modification system that fits very well with this video, a cargo economy, combat/bounty hunting, and it has a good modding community/support to add star wars content
If you need cargo space, just go for the Action VI freighter. It's slower, but who needs speed when you can take a whole Home Depo store stock in one haul.
When I was writing bad fan fiction, my character acquired a ratty R5 that was clever but very snippy and prone to cursing. The young smuggler identified with the droid and replaced most of the cheap parts that caused the droid to malfunction. The droid was also fitted with some sophisticated slicing hardware, but not with an upgraded personality matrix. The droid remained irritable and prone to cursing. It was devoted to its captain and those few people it considered friends and had little patience with anybody else.
I think the clip at 20:36 shows an added portion to the wing the droids are in. Still kinda small space, but you said the legs could telescope so... You know what? That would explain how R2 springed out on Mustafar and Grievous' ship. Though I do see how that may not be consistent with the shot of landing on Grievous' ship, where it seems quite low to the ground.
Yeah they added it to the actual digital model, but its cleaned out of the scene in that rearview scene. It seemed to ahve been an accident. Though even the digital model R2 is a bit too large. The full-size model was just a mistake and R2 had to hang out the bottom, which is why they carefully avoided showing it as much as possible.
one interesting thing I noticed recently was where the computer aesthetics came from in Star Wars. I was watching some videos about 70's computers like the Altair 8800 and the big IBMs and if you look at those, they look like Imperial control panels, which makes sense being the computers of the day.
The Jabitha was a ship designed specifically for Anakan when on a mission to Zonama Sekot with Obi-Wan Kenobi as a young padawan. It had a hyperdrive rating of 0.4 (book Rogue Planet). However it was destroyed not long after taking possession of it. The Acclamator class Assault ship had a 0.6 hyperdrive rating.
I liked the RetCon that it was essentially like a Shunter train, with a huge number of cargo units attached to the front. Being practically all engine and constantly jury rigged and cobbled, i also see it as a Hot Rod. =]
my top 3 picks for a suitable smaller ship would be a sentinel-class imperial landing craft, a zeta-class heavy cargo shuttle, or a YT-1930 (though with heavy mods to maintain the 1300-style side-set cockpit and more intact saucer-shape of the body, resulting in the engines being moved back ..... also, a big honking turbolaser strapped onto the hull, like a jousting knight and his lance). For larger ships, my top 3 would be an Arquitens-class, a Baleen-class heavy freighter, or an Acclamator class ship.
I remember in a Star Wars D20 RPG game and I used the deck plans of the Beowulf Free Trader from Classic Traveller, a great game to pull deck plans from for other games. I didn't need all of the fuel tankage so that became space for more weapons and storage.
my favorite starship is the gozanti class, it just looks so goofy kinda like a walrus for some reason, but its got a good story to it, toss in some more guns and better hyperdrive and its a beast
11:53, that is just the internal storage. The YT-1300 was designed to connect multiple medium cargo containers to the front fork of the craft. Star Wars Encyclopedia, First Edition.
it's possible if the legs/feet of the droids retract or move out of the way and the hull armor is thinned. I mean it's less space for the person inside... but it can work.
The GHTROC 720 would also be my go-to ship, but I would make some mods. For one, replace the crew cabins with equivalents that are suited for humanoids.
It's so enjoyable to get some well thought out lore comparisons and thought about the details that make star wars so immersive in the first place
This is a nearly perfect example of the "quintescential nerd conversation". Way more detail than is really needed. But perfectly and meticulously supported. Loved the video, bring my back to arguing with my cousins over which ship in the TIE-FIGHTER dog fighting game we would rather personally own.
The good ol days XD , I'd go with the classic standard, the Tie Fighter. Awful cockpit but great aesthetic. What would you choose, out of any Star wars non capital ship?
@@Blessed_V0id I'm a huge fan of the TIE Interceptor. But things like the B-Wing, or TIE Defender would be pretty neat as well. Don't know why but I lean toward those heavier "Multi-role fighter" models.
Central mounted Astromech in a delta seven check the clone wars tv series
I’d say it has exactly as much info as needed
I'd go for eben hawk Dark forces if curious
"This is what all 7 of you were waiting for." - referring to the Outrider
Bruh
You didn’t need to call us Shadows of the Empire fans out
I hope the likes stay at 7
There are dozens of us!!
what we lack in number we make up for in passion!
We needs a Shadows of the Empire movie and one that feels like vintage Star Wars
Where the other SOTE fans?
@19:48 Anakin's Custom Delta-7B Aethersprite-class light interceptor "Azure Angel", from the original Clone Wars series, has a centrally mounted Astromech forward of the cockpit.
Oooh good one, I forgot about that! Good memory, video ruined.
@@smileyp4535 video ruined, disappointment immeasurable :P
So did the other variant of the Delta-7 seen in the 3D clone wars series, in that one every Jedi has a newer variant of the Delta-7 with a centerline astromech socket, including Obi Wan.
@@Slender_Man_186 I didn't know that variant was also used in the Clone wars 3d series. I have a slight bias toward the original 2d series tbh.
Plo koons blade of Dorin also has it.
2:31 "How does one acquire such military grade equipment?" Well, you see...
~First the players need to determine what kind of military grade equipment they want (common or rare, old vs current vs experimental, overall quality, which faction's military, etc.).
~Then the GM needs to gauge the difficulty of obtaining it based on the above criteria and the overall cost.
~Next the players check their talent trees to see if they "know someone" and/or have other perks that will either lower the difficulty or upgrade their dice pool.
~Finally, if the players have enough credits and succeed in their roll, then they'll get such military grade equipment.
I'm sorry, these videos really make me geek out on Fantasy Flight's Star Wars tabletop games.
im an imperial General i just flash by rank badge and i get what i want
I run the old West End Games RPG. Brilliant stuff.
I think a better way would to suggest, assuming you can leave the main narrative, a hit, basically, to go get the equipment. Unless you are already part of a military organization acquiring modern or certainly experimental military tech should be quite difficult in the time of the Empire.
@@isimiel3405 Sir!
@@pubcle My last game did have heists as a theme, though they were allied with the Empire. They managed to even have stormtroopers guard them while stealing fuel from right under their nose!
Han and Chewbacca knew people, so they got a bonus on their rolls.
Then Lando also knew people and Lea could easily get anything she wanted.
19:54 I believe the clone wars animated show has a number of centrally mounted astromech droids in delta 7's, whether you consider that a reliable source or not is another question
Reliable? It's canon, what do you mean?
@@Sky_Guy yeah, but there's some artistic license taken in the clone wars show, so it might be that it's actually the same ship looking different in the different styles
@@Agarricus WAIT! Artistic license? So you're telling me Count Dooku doesn't have an Easter-Island head in the official lore? Blasphemy!
@@Agarricusthe artistic differences are more designs of the characters and slight changes to the ships but I think this is to big of a change to be considered an “artistic license”
it's actually a second variant of the aether sprite
I really like a Star Wars lore channel that isn't just reading off wookipedia articles. That was fun.
One of my favorite lore video is the one answering the question of the comfiest seat on the Jedi council. Because that is the kind of deep lore we really need.
@@HappyBeezerStudios wait did they actually go into it semi-seriously and not just "this one looks the comfiest because the texture of the seat looks soft"
The ship with a class 0.6 hyperdrive is the Jade Shadow. It was a SoruSubb Horizon-class star yacht originally owned by Mara Jade. After the fall of the Empire and Mara Jade joining the New Jedi Order (and eventually starting a relationship with Luke Skywalker), Mara and Luke had Han upgrade the ship's hyperdrive - which Han gladly did on the grounds that he wouldn't make it faster than the Falcon.
Really? I didn't know that.
That's such a Han thing to do.
"Haha yeah sure man I'll do it free of charge too pal. Since we've been though so much and you introduced me to my wife."
*Dead-Pan Eye-Contact*
"But I'm not gonna make us Equal."
*Slaps Side of Fulcan*
"She's always gonna be the best."
The reason he says it can't be verified, is because Mara Jade and the Jade Shadow are not (yet) canon.
@@mazz2622 in the correct and best canon, Jade always was canon. The Thrawn Trilogy WAS the next story, after the OT. It still IS the next story in line.
@@mazz2622I don’t know what you are talking about.
I play a Star Wars MUD (for the uninitiated a MUD is a text based online game) where you can design your own ships. Everyone wants something of the approximate size and function as the millennium falcon because its just the right size for anything. It can haul small amounts of cargo if you are bored and want menial work to make money, Large enough to chew up fighters and survive against something bigger until you jump into hyperspace, large enough for spacious living quarters and small enough that you do not need a crew if you do not want to.
And yet we do not have an accepted name for that ship size, so I like to call them 'Brigs' at 20-40 meters and defined by their ability to fit in conventional starfighter hangers. While I call things at the 50-90 m range like a Gozanti or GR-75 a 'Sloop'.
What's the game called?
It's called a "hero ship" for a reason. Expanse's Rocinante is similar. Razor Crest and Firesprays too.
What is the MUD?
Wait, there is a text based mud still running? Please tell me where!
4:48 The Acclamator class assault ship had a hyperdrive rating of 0.6, which is insane because such things would be decades-old by the time of the OT and was a mass-produced light capital warship.
They don't build em like they used to , I guess.
Virtually all the stats on the Aclamator are absurd exagerations from the incredible cross-sections book who's author was a total wanker and wrote all of it in a dick-measuring contest with StarTrek. It's so riddled with inconsistency and internal logical errors that it should be discarded in it's entirity. While Acclamator might be faster then Venator theirs no way it was so far ahead of every other warship in the galaxy.
There were also fuel inefficient.
@@mazz2622*Gestures at the Rakata*
*Gestures at the Gree*
*Gestures at the Old Republic GSI droids*
The Acclamator *was* designed as one of the first long haul supply and troop carriers of the Grand Army of the Republic, and its main purpose was to move a LOT of troops all over Republic territory ASAP at the outbreak of the war
Can't say I'd heard of the Ghtroc 720, but it looks like a charming ship! There's no way it wasn't sea turtle inspired.
I thought the reason he was going to give was because it looks exactly like a turtle 😂
Star Wars RPG by West End Games... it was featured in their Adventure Journal.
A heavily modified SoroSuub Horizon-class Star Yacht. Call it the Emerald Shade or something like that. Maybe keep a Z-95 Headhunter in the aft docking bay. Definitely a R9 astromech and maybe a jedi spouse.
Might want to be careful, don't want it to end up being used as a remote torpedo against an Imperial installation and have to shell out for a replacement. 😆
This could be considered pedantic, but with regard to the complaint about anakin’s starfighter, please pause the video at 20:37; if you look at the bottom of the port side wings on both obi wan and anakin’s ships, they have a small sidecar compartment, one which has enough space for the body of an R2 unit; the compartment is also visible in the previous shot, on mustafar, where there appears to be enough space for R2 inside if we take the measurement from the first frame with R2 fully ejected and account for the roughly 15 degree change of direction R2 is performing in midair.
Another piece of evidence, albeit slightly less solid due to it being from a toy and not the films, is the lego set for “anakin’s jedi interceptor” which i had as a kid, that had a compartment for R2 in the wing much like the ones on the ships in the video, and if you dont believe me, feel free to search the quoted name and see for yourself.
I too sadly, came here to make this point. Although I can’t say I’m proud of myself.
This is exactly the kind of theorizing I love. I will watch your career with great interest
There's a channel idea I'd watch: Top Gear SW
Edit: I only made it to 7:01 before writing a comment. I like your style.
14:58 slight correction, R5 was never stated in anything canonical to have done this. It came from one comic that was written as a joke. The same comic said he was force sensitive too, so I'm not sure it's the most reliable source, and that's honestly by design.
What about the book "From a certain point of view"?
@@derpoltergeist8265 What about it?
@@MalachiCo0 I think it is canonical and states that R5 helped R2 by blowing his motivator up.
@@derpoltergeist8265 Some narratives within FACPOV can be assumed to be canonical, and some less so.
The collection of stories have some which bare dubious canonicity.
@Ashan Bhatoa not really how canon works but
R4 in the delta 7 obi wan pilots in AOTC is an intergrated droid that was just a head that couldnt be removed from the ship. There was no body casing and legs with the body internals kept within the hull. As for R2D2 in ROTS that is a mistake.
I think Anakin modified his fighters to be compatible with R2
This is my favorite kind of content. This is how you do self inserts. Normally self inserts are hated, and for good reason.
Media is plagued with god-like Mary Sue's and Marty Stu's, as it is... all simultaneously existing in a vacuum bubble outside of canon.
But this... This is well thought out, well researched, transparently honest, and wholly immersive.
I really, really, love these kinds of self-insert thought experiments. Especially when you run down the cost. That's as real as real can get.
Looking forward to seeing more... essays... for lack of a better word... done in this style.
I like the "if I were a regular guy in that universe" self-inserts. One doesn't always has to be the hero. The majority of people in fiction would be regular people doing regular jobs.
I had the same thought about Star Trek. I wouldn't want to be the captain of the fastest, most advanced, baddest starship. I'd much prefer something smaller, more manageable, as sort of independent contractor.
I had it TTRPG group pick up that ship for the exact same reason too, except for one extra modification, you can modify the cargo bays to fit in a fighter, or pick up some recovered vulture droids and deploy them.
man.... your love for star wars and attention to the details is so goddam beautiful. I love these videos so much. Started with that 12 hr Ep1 vid and haven't stopped... more plz thx
I wish more stuff like this was on TH-cam, this dnd style customization I just love
Man you are on a roll, these videos are great. It's like The Spiffing Britt for SW nerds.
Ah a fellow man of culture i see. Spiffing day to you chap, may your Yorkshire Tea Gold be blessed.
I've been loving your videos lately, shocked to see you only had 5k subscribers. Keep it up!
_edit: yes I wrote a comment before the six minute mark what does that have to do with anything-_
Love the video quality cant wait for more people to discover this channel
“You came in that thing? You’re braver than I thought.” - all my friends, meeting my girlfriend they disapprove of
💀
Bruh.
Gross
So, regarding the Delta 7, there _is_ actually a variant with a center-mounted Astromech, we just don't see it in the movies. It's the Delta 7B. This variant has the droid socket in the center in front of the cockpit, and to compensate for the new visual obstruction, moves the cockpit upwards and backwards a bit. We see this variant used in the Clone Wars before the introduction of the Eta 2 Actis.
Thank you, I could feel my life force slipping away at 19:51
It seems to me that @20:37 there are docks for the Droids visible at the underside of both Anakins and Obi-Wans Actis.
5:53 - If what you say here is true, then you are obliged to acknowledge that the Millennium Falcon does _not_ have a "class .5 hyperdrive" at all. Instead, the Falcon can "make .5 past lightspeed" - As in, the maximum speed of the Falcon is 1.5. times the literal speed-of-light. After all, _"you can't just go and change something. (....) Not even Lucas has the authority to alter canon."_
.5 can refer to any scale, that's how they got around that problem.
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Nope. The context is ".5 *_past lightspeed"_* which makes the intended context abundantly clear.
@@Idazmi7 Since .5 past lightspeed isn't physically attainable it isn't that clear.
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It's clear. You might as well say lightsabers aren't clear because they haven't been invented yet.
I kind of want more of this, it would be fun to listen to a bunch of this sort of talk!
I would want an hwk-290 light freighter.
It is small enough to fly like a X-wing, but big enough to have sleeping arrangements. Easy to modify. Optional Variable Engine geometry, magnalock (magnetically sealed) dorsal docking hatch. Able to carry up to five cargo containers of various types via magnalock plating on Variable geometry engines (magnetically sealed to the hull until released), Optional ventral twin ion cannon Turret/twin laser cannon Turret/twin heavy Blaster Turret (no stock Turret, only room for one Turret at a time), 4 engine mounted Laser cannons (modified from stock X-Wing laser cannons). 1.0 military grade hyperdrive with matching Navcom. Definitely would want a Dedicated Astromech droid for astrogation aid and space based repairs.
At 20:37 you can see a huge ass bucket under the heads of R2 and R4. They have the space there. It just makes the ship a bit wonky.
"She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts kid."
19:48 the Delta 7B from the Clone Wars, a show that is apart of canon and legends, has a thicker midsection to allow for a full R series astromech to be inserted. The older Delta 7 can only fit the head and it’s internal components. After the start of the Clone Wars, R4 was torn out of the her Delta 7 and given a full body
I like that the ship looks like a sea turtle. ☺️💙🐢
This is what I used to contemplate for years as a teenager. With those same original 'essential guide' books from the 90's. I'm glad I wasn't the only one.
At the very start of the channel, those Essential Guide books were just about all the references we used . I loved the style of those books, it came to exactly the same result. You definitely weren't the only one. It was wonderful to get a (nearly) full Essential Guide set a few years ago. -DZ
Awesome captions/subtitles. Totally subscribing and giving a perpetual thumbs up. Thank you for being considerate to your audience.
20:11 the Eta 2 has sockets with "buckets" to hold the droids. If creative with modifications you could make an astromech version of the viper probe droids and hard wire into the slot for a dedicated navigation and added scanner array.
This channel will be massive soon I can already tell
Woah, was just wondering when your new video would come out a few hours ago. Lucky me.
The feel of the Millenium Falcon is a heavily modified bootlegger's muscle car. It's like if the 18-wheeler Jerry Reed is druving had the speed and maneuverability of the trans am Burt Reynolds is driving in Smokey & The Bandit. The 18 wheeler also has anti aircraft guns in the back, and a minigun in the cab. The Falcon is a cargo ship, but it's also fast and maneuverable. It's like the General Lee, but with the trunk space of a tractor trailer.
the eta-2 can has a clearely visible extended zone for astromech droids
The snippit from Revenge of the Sith in the video even shows it. Possibly skipped in the crossections book, and maybe they didn't render it in other images of the ships as symmetrical was less time consuming and complicated to render. Want to rewatch RotS and check :)
@@henry7330 oh, yeah, i guess that makes sense, or maybe they even realized it mid-production and didnt have time to fix it all on time
I didn't now know there was this side to starwars. This is a huge appeal of Gundam. Different manufacturers and millitary configurations.
Fun video, successfully & entertainingly plumbing the depths of the WEG (and WotC) RPG books.
On the Astromech/Eta-2 issue, the cross-sections do show a boxy structure below the droid socket, which could just-about house R2, with his shoulders protruding and his legs telescoped-up the same way they do in the Naboo N1 socket. This requires less distortion of local space than it does to have the actors standing upright in the Millennium Falcon!
Also, as others have noted, we never see R2 in a standard Delta 7 wing socket, just the central-line socket versions in both the Tartakovsky CW and Filoni et al TCW series. So the spherical R4-P series explanation can definitely work.
in that cross section drawing of obi wan’s delta 7, there is only a head so r4 cant be spherical or have a body, most likely it was just the head. in the 2008 clone wars i believe all of the delta 7s were a 2nd version (delta 7b) with an astromech in the middle rather than being offset, so they could fit the bodies. i think by this point r4 probably wouldve got a body as now hed be able to completely fit inside the starfighters, and later on also fit inside the eta 2s thanks to that bulge under the wings which you pointed out
In that final shot of the Jedi fighters, they showed a big bulky box showing up beneath the droids, making the hull thicker there. I only now noticed that.
Yep, on the port wing there is a box for accommodating a suitable astromech which is visible in that shot of the Eta-2 Actis. This is shown is the Star Wars Complete Cross-Sections book if one looks closely at the relevant entry.
As much as I love the flying brick with guns that is the YV 929 armed freighter, if we’re focusing on saving money I’m going with a Barloz class medium freighter. Still a CEC ship. Only 70,000 credits. It’s old, but reliable and tough with 150tons of cargo. The bay itself can fit an A wing easily. Class 2 hyperdrive comes stock with back up
Class 10. There’s only 1 laser cannon turret but that can be swapped out and more added. For droids I’d go with an R4, and probably some kind of protocol or service droid to help with translations, paperwork, and loading cargo.
I'd rather have a Dynamic class freighter. Faster sublight and with enough space for cargo, crew comfort and weapons. One bonus is that you can fit a J type Nubian hyperdrive which is easy to repair and modify to be faster and more efficient. The Dynamic also comes standard with two twin turbolasers and two medium laser cannon turrets.
Here I was, feeling self conscious for liking the Wayfarer-class Medium Transport as much as I do, a ship that originated in an RPG rather than having a more noble pedigree, and then you go and mention the Ghtroc 720.
They're both basically designed to be nearly perfect for a party of traveling misfi- uh, heroes.
11:26 you can’t convince me that this ship wasn’t designed to look exactly like a turtle
Ngl, I always saw the Falcon as something like a mobile home that also doubled as a tug boat. Kind of like a long hauler in real life has a mini apartment in the rigs cab for the misses or your whole family. Friend of mine takes his misses and two youngest with him everywhere now that his oldest kid went off to a boarding school.
Love this video, reminds me so much of the West End Games Star Wars RPG
19:40 what is that clip from?😂😂😂
Endless Skies on steam has a well developed ship modification system that fits very well with this video, a cargo economy, combat/bounty hunting, and it has a good modding community/support to add star wars content
Starfield has nice ship modification and that is literally it lmao
lucas channeling his inner darth vader: i am altering the cannon pray i don't alter it further
All shall FEAR! The mighty Space Turtle!!!
Love your snarky approach to Star Wars!
If you need cargo space, just go for the Action VI freighter. It's slower, but who needs speed when you can take a whole Home Depo store stock in one haul.
I’ll take a VCX-100, because I have more cargo to haul than a YT-1300 or 2400 could handle.
Really loving these videos! Keep it up dude 🤙
The Delta 7b athersprite was the refit done during the clone wars that fit a whole astromech socket Infront of the cockpit
I'd want a C-ROC Gozanti-class light cruiser. Super cool ship design IMO, plus all the cargo space you'd ever need!
When I was writing bad fan fiction, my character acquired a ratty R5 that was clever but very snippy and prone to cursing. The young smuggler identified with the droid and replaced most of the cheap parts that caused the droid to malfunction. The droid was also fitted with some sophisticated slicing hardware, but not with an upgraded personality matrix. The droid remained irritable and prone to cursing. It was devoted to its captain and those few people it considered friends and had little patience with anybody else.
Your videos are very nice, it’s easy to follow your explanations.
In my Star Wars RPG I wanted a Gozanti freighter. Allows my allies to pilot fighters carried on the belly.
Hmm, whats this about? Sounds interesting
Oh hey, I built a tiny Lego Ghtroc 720 for my rebel fleet just two days ago. Awesome to come across this video so soon after.
I think the clip at 20:36 shows an added portion to the wing the droids are in. Still kinda small space, but you said the legs could telescope so...
You know what? That would explain how R2 springed out on Mustafar and Grievous' ship.
Though I do see how that may not be consistent with the shot of landing on Grievous' ship, where it seems quite low to the ground.
Yeah they added it to the actual digital model, but its cleaned out of the scene in that rearview scene. It seemed to ahve been an accident. Though even the digital model R2 is a bit too large. The full-size model was just a mistake and R2 had to hang out the bottom, which is why they carefully avoided showing it as much as possible.
Love these videos mate ,keep em up
It’s very impressive how much you know about Star Wars lore!
one interesting thing I noticed recently was where the computer aesthetics came from in Star Wars. I was watching some videos about 70's computers like the Altair 8800 and the big IBMs and if you look at those, they look like Imperial control panels, which makes sense being the computers of the day.
7:22 isn't that the Duracrud? "It's a brick with wings and a hull that leaks gases like a flatulent Hut" -- Uran Lavint
The Jabitha was a ship designed specifically for Anakan when on a mission to Zonama Sekot with Obi-Wan Kenobi as a young padawan. It had a hyperdrive rating of 0.4 (book Rogue Planet). However it was destroyed not long after taking possession of it.
The Acclamator class Assault ship had a 0.6 hyperdrive rating.
Never spent any credits on a funkopop, ey? Never will you say? You had my curiosity, now you've got my attention and subscription!
There is a delta 7 with a center mounted astromech slot, the B variation seen in the clone wars show
I liked the RetCon that it was essentially like a Shunter train, with a huge number of cargo units attached to the front.
Being practically all engine and constantly jury rigged and cobbled, i also see it as a Hot Rod. =]
20:40 they could fix this by having the dome portion "transform" unto the back of the droid so the body of the droid is vertical.
my top 3 picks for a suitable smaller ship would be a sentinel-class imperial landing craft, a zeta-class heavy cargo shuttle, or a YT-1930 (though with heavy mods to maintain the 1300-style side-set cockpit and more intact saucer-shape of the body, resulting in the engines being moved back ..... also, a big honking turbolaser strapped onto the hull, like a jousting knight and his lance).
For larger ships, my top 3 would be an Arquitens-class, a Baleen-class heavy freighter, or an Acclamator class ship.
I remember in a Star Wars D20 RPG game and I used the deck plans of the Beowulf Free Trader from Classic Traveller, a great game to pull deck plans from for other games. I didn't need all of the fuel tankage so that became space for more weapons and storage.
Shoutout to the OG Homeworld soundtrack playing in the background.
my favorite starship is the gozanti class, it just looks so goofy kinda like a walrus for some reason, but its got a good story to it, toss in some more guns and better hyperdrive and its a beast
The decannonized Correlian XS Freighter is a whole ass house in space
I've always been partial to the
Lancer-class Pursuit Craft, they're nice and speedy while still allowing me to carry some lighter cargo
Happy to say I was one of the 7 waiting for the mention of Shadows of the Empire
11:53, that is just the internal storage. The YT-1300 was designed to connect multiple medium cargo containers to the front fork of the craft. Star Wars Encyclopedia, First Edition.
Didn't they overwrite that with the shuttle/escape pod though?
R5-D4 is back baby!
My dream ship is the Consular-Class Cruiser retrofitted for mining asteroids in a nice Caterpillar yellow.
it's possible if the legs/feet of the droids retract or move out of the way and the hull armor is thinned.
I mean it's less space for the person inside... but it can work.
this is quickly becoming my favourite star wars based channels
7:12 so true. In Empire at War you can also see and command Bosks YT-666 Freighter.
I could watch this man talk about ships for hours
Great tour of ship designs!
If you look closely, you can see a room underneath the droids on Obi Wan’s and Anakin’s fighters, showcasing where the lower half of the droids go.
Loved it! Also, always wanted a game where I could make my own ship! Make it! X)
I want one. Also, this is the way a star wars video should be made
That was nice, would enjoy more discussion on droid series.
You choosing ship parts is giving me starfield flashbacks
Bossk is my favorite bounty hunter so the second the Hounds Tooth was mentioned I got excited.
I recommend Delta V: Rings of Saturn if you want to kit out your light freighter / mining ship to your heart's desire.
if i had to go with a freighter i'd go with the VCX-100 model freighter
One of my huge regrets in life, is I never did figure out why Bossk wanted to stroke the elf. I salute that enigmatic lizard.
I just KNEW you were going to pick the turtle.
The GHTROC 720 would also be my go-to ship, but I would make some mods. For one, replace the crew cabins with equivalents that are suited for humanoids.