Faith is Not a Reliable Path to Understanding | Mark - Canada | Atheist Experience 21.23
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I went to Catholic High School, taught by Priests. As the years went by the stories got more and more ridiclous. One day I said to a Priest-teacher, "None of this makes sense." Reply; "Of course it doesn't, that's why you need faith to believe it." I became an atheist shortly after.
That Priest-teacher was more honest than most.
I too went to a catholic school. I had trouble believing at a very early age. I think I was in third grade when I caught on to the con. It brought unwanted attention to me. Not the kind of attention you want as a young boy in a catholic school. Needless to say I was a raging homophobe for most of my young adult years after that.
This channel has changed me in so many ways. I owe them huge.
Good for you
Damn I just want to tell this guy: YOU turned your own life around. Be proud of that.
You're so right. Many of us go through trials and bad stuff in life but not all of us conclude that getting through it was because of a god. When I look back I realise that despite honestly looking, religion was a crock and that I am where I am with no help from anyone, least of all religion
Absolutely. Unfortunately a lot of religions make you think that you shouldn't be proud of something you do. And that is sad.
Correct YOU , not Jesus
@@ReiperX
Indeed, they perverted the meaning of humility to convince people of the falsehood that they're damaged and or worthless in some way.(
Well, I think at this point in his life, if it works for him, let him go. It is not my stuff.
"I'm not the judge" is the biggest intellectual coward move I've ever seen. It's the last line of defense for a theist when confronted with something they *know* is blatantly immoral, but they have literally nothing else to say.
He would vote against gay marriage and against abortion if he had the chance to. He IS judging but he uses apologetic tactics to slither away from being accounted for it.
instaBlaster...
That or they can't be held accountable by anyone else because god will judge them later.
Yip, it is the metaphysical equivalent of: "I am just followering orders."
Well, we certainly know what name Matt won’t use if he ever has a daughter
It’s so cute when these callers claim to have done “research”
The best research is done through memes. I saw a meme where I was shown that a square have four 90 degrees Angles. And 4 times 90 is 360. Just like a circle. That proves that a square is a circle, and a circle is a square. 🤪
i doubt if Matt did any research
@@raysalmon6566 Then you know nothing about Matt.
@@soundsandmusic.3689
@ray salmon Then you know nothing about Matt.
matt anf Aron Ra are clones of the same dogma
they don't know who Jesus really is
@Victor Smit God!
Flying in a plane does not require faith. Now riding on Amtrak is a different story.
Neither does this show demonstrate logic
@Jon Booker
The bus is the worst quality ride
A very demeaning experience..
Greyhound tends to draw people from the dregs of society.
@@raysalmon6566 Yes it does, its obviously just over your head.
@@LiberatedMind1
I don't fly that much..
all you have to do is listen to Mark for five seconds and you can hear that he simply exchanged one addiction for another.
His "need" to justify his God, is just as powerful as the "need" for the bottle he "conquered"
Matt: How can i be separated from god if god is everywhere?
Caller: *crickets chirping*
@Zoroaster Not having an answer to something doesn't suddenly make some other supernatural/religious "answer" any more valid.
You're essentially saying "Well if you don't have an answer, then my religious answer is fine"
That is, by very definition, fallacious.
That is a perfect example of an argument from ignorance.
"I can't think of another answer, so this answer over here is now suddenly true or valid"
That's just not the case.
Think of what you believe and be honest with yourself about why you believe it.
Do you believe it because it's actually supported by any real tangible evidence, or is it because you want it to be true and because the thought of what it might mean if it's not true makes you uncomfortable.
Just think about it, that's all I ask
@Zoroaster You can't? You can't honestly ask yourself why you believe what you believe?
And what's not to follow? It's logic. It's ironic that you put "logic" in parentheses as if it's somehow faulty when it's literally just basic logic.
But I definitely believe you can't follow it, regardless.
Believe what makes you feel better I guess.
I'd just rather actually care if my beliefs are true or not, rather than just believe whatever's comforting.
To each his own though
@Zoroaster lol yeah because it was totally a problem with my English.
Also ironic that you can't spell the word interpreter* properly as you attempt to tell someone else there's a problem with THEIR English.
Wow..
Good try though
Might want to call your "interpretter" next time 😉
@Zoroaster You keep making these assertions but that's all they are. Just claims.
"No you're wrong"
That seems to be your entire position.
What is the flaw in my thinking or reason or logic?
Or do you just make baseless assertions and not back them up like most theists?
Seems so
@Zoroaster I made my point in my first comment which you even responded to yet haven't been able to provide any sort of counter to it at all and instead just keep pretending I didn't make it.
You keep claiming that there is a flaw in my logic.
And when asked what that flaw might be, you respond with
"It doesn't matter"🙄 in a weak attempt to avoid the question.
And an obvious attempt at that.
Genius
You were asked a direct question to back up your own claim and you dodged the question.
Predictably.
I can't tell you just how transparent you are.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about and if you could back anything you're saying you would have done so rather than make empty assertions over and over.
Lol I'm done, bud 😉
Is anyone else amazed that criminals find God in prison so often and yet the recidivism rate is so damn High?
It's because parole boards are more lenient on those of faith than those who aren't. So they play the game.
Most, statistically enter prison as Christians. Worldwide.
This guy is so obviously a lovely thoughtful guy and I’m sad that he doean’t realise that he was a good person who had a bad start and that he deserves the credit for his recovery and the way he’s turned his life around.
What really bothers me about callers like this one is that he is Obviously a better person than the book he holds in such high regards.
I first watched Atheist experience back when I was a Christian back in 2012. At first, I hated these guys because, again, I was a Christian. But because of my curiosity, I watched them. The more I watched them, the more I began to question my Christian faith. Thanks to this show, I eventually became enlightened and left Christianity on October 2013. So I'm thankful for this show.
I am happy for you!!! I was raised as roman catholic I became atheist after reading the bible carefully... Taking my religion seriously helped me to understand that I had no good reasons to believe in...
As a recovering alcoholic in aa, I'd love to tell others that I have many yrs clean. I did it as an athiest and without god.
Is God good ? I don't know, but given the lack of evidence, he's probably gone for good.
He used to be up a mountain, where people could chat to him, then moved up into the clouds.
The latest reports indicate that he's outside space and time.
We can't go there, so that's probably a good place to hide.
That is a great comment😊✌
tedgrant2. . 1 year ago. . Is God good ? I don't know, but given the lack of evidence, he's probably gone for good.
He used to be up a mountain, where people could chat to him, then moved up into the clouds.
The latest reports indicate that he's outside space and time.
We can't go there, so that's probably a good place to hide.. 1 reply. 68 likes.
I would consider Jesus giving sight to man born blind a good thing
@@raysalmon6566 I consider it a boring story.
@@crocopix
You find giving sight to a man born blind boring?
@@raysalmon6566 yes, there are many other gods did much cooler staff.
If i do bad things to people i dint ask god for forgiveness i ask the person i did it to...
Faith is the holographic head telling you not to pay attention to the man behind curtain.
No history is not interested in holographics
@@raysalmon6566 right over your head..
Faith is being convinced that your Church doesn't need a lightning conductor.
Amazing how theists insist on referring to trust as "faith."
It's the same dishonest equivalency they use with "theory" when talking about evolution. Theory as an hypothesis vs theory as a set of rules based on observed evidence.
@@spocksvulcanbrain
Properly, it's a scientific LAW which is a "set of rules." Laws are useful, but they have to be taken at face value, so their usefulness is limited.
A THEORY is distinguished as being a plausible account of mechanism. It answers the "how" questions that arise from examining an observed law, or perhaps it shows how several laws are interrelated.
For example, Snell's Law describes the observed FACT of refraction as a function of incident angle between the direction of light and a surface separating two media of given densities. The Theory of Special Relativity describes HOW refraction takes place as a result of specific electromagnetic properties of light.
Faith is a path to nowhere.
When you hear the piolet scream "ALLAH-HU AKBAAR!" just before the plane lurches you lose your faith in the good-will of the piolet.
It’s so sad to see people fighting so hard to not give themselves the credit…seems like they’ve lost all self confidence
I love how people dismiss the old testament. Jesus said Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. So jesus approved of slavery. That is the new testament. Ephesians I think. Been a while since I read that evil book.
Theists ignore contradictions in their holy book and belief
Jesus doesn't outright say that slaves are to obey their masters. Those verses actually occur in 1 Peter, 1 Timothy, Titus, Colossians, etc. By the way, those verses were often quoted by Southern plantation owners here in America in defense of slavery.
Jesus did, however, supposedly say in Luke that slaves who know their master's will yet disobey anyway are to receive a severe beating while those slaves who don't know their master's will yet who disobey are to receive a light beating. Bottom line is that Jesus never specifically spoke out against slavery and even seemed to be okay with it given the way he talked avout slavery in his parables without any hint of condemnation of this abysmal practice. Couldn't be bothered to specifically decry such a "trifling matter" as slavery I guess. Which to me, seems like a massive oversight from the dude who is supposed to be such an amazing paragon of virtue and moral insight.
"The richest most powerful person that ever existed, say...Hugh Hefner..."
He's comparing an eternity in heaven to going to a Hugh Hefner party. Sounds reasonable. The irony is that a Hugh Hefner party is about as far away as you can get from Biblical teachings, but that's his best case.
Boy he's got some nice tap dancing shoes on.
Theist: "Who created the universe?"
Atheist: "I don't know who or what created the universe!"
Theist: "I'm not comfortable saying I don't know. I need god."
Atheist: "Am I going to hell?"
Theist: "I don't know."
Now you tell me who is being honest...
This entire thing is a lie, and that makes you a liar, go fuck yourself.
Religion is a powerful drug. The "Shepherds" who invented organized religion, may have been on to something. Many may disagree, but Big Religion has been a service industry for a very long time, and it's "Shepherds" make a good and soft living at keeping the "Sheeple" hopeful, well herded, and in line!
I've been debating and studying religious rhetorics for years and here are their top 20 most used arguments for faith:
20 - E
19 - Q
18 - U
17 - I
16 - V
15 - O
14 - C
13 - A
12 - T
11 - I
10 - O
9 - N
8 -
7 - F
6 - A
5 - L
4 - L
3 - A
2 - C
1 - Y
23:45 Don is hilarious. "The whole things lost on me!"
Whenever the guy in the yellow top laughs you can tell that he is thinking ‘what a load of BS!’. Lol, this makes me laugh also.
His name is Don Baker.
Don Baker is not afraid to break into hysterical laughter when he hears nonsense, and he does it often. It's one of my favorite things on the show.
A shit load of very fetile Bullshit!
If every other flight crashed, I would not EVER get on a plane. This has NOTHING to do with "faith".
"My personal life experience" says the 23 year old when he talks down to the 50 year old. Faith is not a "reason" for anything as it does not require reason. The Good Shepherds Matt and Don are trying hard to keep this guy on the straight and narrow (out of jail) as he believes that faith is the only thing keeping him out. Being "good" doesn't require a god or faith.
I’m skeptical that any professional said that a teenager or young adult had a low probability of recovery.
The Hugh Hefner reference surprised me.excellent call.
8:30 "I could really be in communion with the creator of the Universe"
No you couldn't, but I find that line of thinking absolutely terrifying. Especially coming from some credulous cretin who claims to be an ex-con.
X- Cons :alot of times find God whilst in the Joint. 😆
@@kathyheitchue6069 And as soon as they're paroled God disappears, never to be heard from again (or not until the con returns for another stint in the joint).
Addiction to religion cures addition to substances....
It sounds like many of his positive views on life and other people are coming from a good place but based on terrible reasons and burdened with unnecessary negative baggage
His religion is preventing him from thinking or responding honestly to Matt or Don's questions once he realizes that answering will bring to light the flaws in his thinking and reasoning.
Mark is such a sadly perfect example of how an otherwise decent person can have their thinking poisoned and twisted by religion 🙁
"Researched the Dead Sea Scrolls". Man, that is determination, to learn to read and write ancient Hebrew just to make a point! My hat is off to this dodo.
Love Don, he's got a really funny sense of humour
The only thing I could tell this guy - if faith in god is the only thing that holds you from becoming a criminal - hold on to it by all means! For normal people faith is just a way to convince oneself to do things one would never do otherwise that’s it!
Agreed. There are secular ways to get out of addiction or criminal behavior, but if this is the only way he finds works for him, I'd rather him be safe and healthy. He's so close to getting that he is actually the one who did the hard work but he wants to attribute it to something he made up.
'Dumbo's feather '.....excellent. I'll use that.
Keep up the good work, guys.
Congratulations on making a life changing event.. Well done wish you all the best.. I hope you life is much more better now
Thats one thing i find horrible about people who say that put there bad situation in gods hands. They never give themselves credit for the incredible progress they make
I’m less “faithful” in the outcome of a flight I fly in a beat up plane by a man in bermuda shorts drinking whiskey in St. Croix (true story) than a pilot leaving LAX on an AA 747 to NY.
It's the young people who call in that make my heart hurt. Indoctrination of young people. It's not a pretty reflection in the mirror.
Confirmation bias. If I eat a salad and it makes me stop drinking, feel healthy, be a better person, and restores my faith in humanity then the salad must be God.
I have faith that the Almighty will fix my gaming pc today, before 6pm.
In all honesty, this guy has a really inspiring story of turning his life around, he's just not giving credit to the right guy. He did it, not God.
the magic feather was great
It's really messed up that he's giving credit to God for his recovery.
After extensive research over many years, I have come to a conclusion.
It is possible to walk on water, provided you have enough faith.
Try it.
I live in North Dakota, I walk on water all the time!😄
@@jaymeanderson5121
So that's how he did it !
Matt , pink is flattering on you
Among the many arbitrary expressions used by atheists to describe faith, the ones heard most often are: “faith is the willful suspension of critical thinking… faith is the opposite of reason… faith is blind… faith is believing in things without evidence… faith is not a path to true knowledge… faith is the weakest argument for believing in God.” Many dictionaries define faith as: “a strong belief in god[s] or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.”
Faith cannot be the willful suspension of critical thinking because critical thinking would have to be ever-present to maintain willful suspension.
Faith is not the opposite of reason. The opposite of faith is mistrust (a lack of trust). The opposite of reason is irrationality. Reason and faith run parallel to each other. Faith and reason have a symbiotic relationship with each other and should not be separated. Faith does embrace the rational and is never to be understood as irrational. Biblical faith is partly dependent on the rationality of our minds.
The faith described in the bible is not blind faith. There is a distinction between credulity - being too ready to believe anything - and faith. If faith were based on credulity it would indeed be blind, irrational, and gratuitous. But the intrinsic logic that governs our mind will reject that which is truly irrational or illogical.
This is not to say the mind is incapable of irrationality. Emotion and imagination can momentarily disrupt rational thinking. For example: If I’m having heart surgery I am by reason convinced by good evidence that anesthetics will not harm me and that properly trained surgeons will not start operating on me until I am fully unconscious. But the moment they have me down on the table and clap the mask over my face, a panic might begin to set in. I start thinking I might choke. I’m afraid they might start cutting on me before I am completely under. I might die. In other words, I momentarily lose my faith in anesthetics. But, it isn’t reason that takes my faith in anesthetics away because my faith is based on reason. It is my imagination and emotions causing me to lose my faith. The battle is faith and reason - versus - emotion and imagination.
One unchanging definition of faith is found in Hebrews 11:1 “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” Now this verse doesn’t say what atheists THINK it says. Some think this biblical definition of faith demonstrates Christians are opposed to objective empirical evidence, some think Christians believe in things without evidence, and that “things not seen” are by nature not evidence.
So, what are the “things not seen” and the “things hoped for”? Here’s a practical example to demonstrate the mechanics of faith:
In the past, I have qualified to receive a tax return from the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) in the form of a check. I have physical EVIDENCE that this is true. Therefore, I have a certain amount of SUBTANCE [experience] with the IRS. The IRS has PROMISED me this year that I qualify for another tax return in the form of a check. I have not seen the tax return yet [things not seen] but based on past experience and previous promises, I have TRUST [faith] that the check will arrive in the FUTURE (things hoped for). When my check finally arrives, it will mean their promise has been fulfilled.
Here, “faith” was trust in the IRS - trust that the IRS would faithfully fulfill their promises in the future. It’s this kind of trust that leads me to obediently follow the tax laws by filing an earnings statement each year to see if I qualify for a return.
In Christian terms “things hoped for” and “things not seen” are similar to faith and reason because they run parallel to each other. The words “not seen” is NOT meant to convey a “lack of evidence,” but to stress the idea of future fulfillment of God’s promises to believers. Believers act on God’s promises even though they may “not see” (in the moment) any indication of those promises coming to fruition. It’s about TRUST. It’s the kind of trust that leads to taking action now. The “things hoped for” just means things promised cannot yet be seen because those events are still in the future.
Why can’t anyone DEMONSTRATE this god?
What is this god?
Who is this god?
Where did this god come from?
How do you know which god is real?
How does god “create”?
Where is this god now?
Why does it really solely on word of mouth?
Why does this god allow/endorse evil?
Why does god let people lie?
Why doesn’t god show himself?
Why does it rely on an ancient tome?
Who are the “real” god believers?
How do we know whose version is real?
Why is it he can’t do anything?
These are the MOST BASIC questions and none of them can be demonstrated practically by anyone?
As a recovering Mormon it's difficult to deny the positive effect that the church and faith in a loving Heavenly Father had on my life. Similar to Mark from Canada I had desperate times when I relied on God to give me the strength I needed when I had lost faith in myself. So now that I have broken free intellectually from what I consider a cult, rather than poo pooing my previous belief in God, I look at my new found freedom from religion and see it more as a graduation than an escape. I say this because I think it may be asking too much of a person (like Mark from Canada) to deny their past spiritual experiences because we have such a convincing argument against the existence of a God. Sometimes atheists come off as that kid who learns Santa isn't real and then goes around telling all the kids who still believe that they are idiots because they still think a fat man with a bag full of toys comes down their chimney every year.
I don't know about this caller's mentality, but I experienced an overwhelming sense of emancipation when I shed the last remnants of my Christianity and realized I was an atheist.
"i dont know if god acted on me, but he totally did"
So basically what he is saying is that he knows God exist because he has faith? Lmao
Brilliant Matt. Although you do have a literate & intelligent respondent. It helps.
@@davidfox115 what?
Faith is the theists evidence because their book says faith is a virtue.
@@davidfox115 Is Mark's view of the universe really what counts for intelligence these days? How far we have come: straight downwards.
Faith is the decided maintenance of a percieved belief of the nature of reality and the interactions thereof.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Interesting call
Well done matt
The Bible filter is strong with him
This Is Why I Love Matt He Did Nit Tear The Brother Down And Mark Didn't Take Matt As A Devil ... I Love Interactions Like This ... Much Respect To Matt & Mark So Glad Mark Overcame His Addiction ... Best To Everyone .😍💕💕💕
lmao at 18.03 you can hear him pause while he's scraping his brain back up together off of the floor!
When making pranks or candid camera, if/when you find religious or otherwise mentally impaied people, you can "drive" the most UNBELIEVABLE pranks, and succeed. Over 6 decades of experience ! ...................
I used to be fucked up on drugs and crime; now I'm fucked up on the Bible and Jesus.
“CONfidence”.
Jesus was entertaining a crowd in the town square answering questions and so on when some religious leaders brought before him a woman who was allegedly caught in the act of adultery and asked Jesus if they should stone her like the scriptures call for. If he says yeah, go ahead and stone her he would be ignoring his message of forgiveness and love and if he says don't stone her he would be negating the law of Moses. So what should he say? He squatted down and started writing in the dirt with his finger and after a short minute he stood up and said: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." And then he squatted down and continued writing in the dirt. The people in the crowd were struck in their conscience that they weren't without sin and one by one they peeled off and walked away. All of a sudden a rock sailed out of the smaller crowd that was left and it struck the adulterous young woman in the forehead and knocked her down. A nasty bruise was forming and her forehead was bleeding. Jesus stood up and said" "Sometimes you really tick me off Mom."
Prayer is an affirmation. That's all it is.
7. good episode on good points very useful thanks guys 13.40 is where he talks about slavery etc very end 2 mins are good comments (about jesus and the loop hole)
He said during my time trying different thinga to help me change. It was god that help but actually he said it him self. During my time off.. So he had already made a mental decision to try an Change. Befor he found god.. So he had conscious decision..
Mark, I'm an Atheist, and an alcoholic. I go to A.A. I don't believe in a god or gods. It makes me laugh that if I fuck up its my fault, but if I stay sober a god gets the credit. I stay sober because I want to. No magical power is doing it for me.
All faith gets you is a start in the intergalactic game of peek a boo
Matt: How does God wash your guilt and shame away?
Mark: That's the whole Christian premise, that by what Christ did on the cross I'm no longer-
Matt: I'm familiar with the story, I'm asking you how do you know that's the case? Is it just because you've convinced yourself you don't need to feel guilty?
Mark: Umm...That's the other thing, like, through my whole experience of trying all kinds of different secular therapy processes while I was in jail. Self talk and all kinds of other stuff. None of it worked, but when I started reading the Bible and praying, I felt like the weight of the world lifted off of my shoulders. I didn't feel this burden of shame and guilt anymore for these things that I'd done to end up where I was.
Matt: Maybe that's a bad thing...
None of those secular options worked on Mark because they are methods that are demonstrably within reality and require actual exhaustive effort and comprehension. Which means that if they couldn't work for him but the comfortable delusion of religion did, then he is a repugnant weakling who shirked his responsibility to do what is proper to absolve yourself of guilt and shame. His concern was "how do I live with myself?", and instead of growing the fuck up and doing the actual dignified work to become a mentally and emotionally strong adult who only holds himself accountable, he ran to the hug box that is the God belief. He can't bring himself to pay the difficult penance that should wash away his guilt because that is too hard for him to do, so instead he took the easy option of deluding himself into believing someone else paid for his transgressions already. Once again, he did it because he's an immoral weakling who couldn't bring himself to actually face the reality and consequences of his actions. He hasn't earned the ease of mind, he got it by lying to himself and he should still feel guilty and ashamed for being such a pathetic and selfish coward. He doesn't care about god or what's right and wrong, he only cared about what he desperately needed to sleep at night. Fuck Mark.
There was a lot of nonsense in this call.
Lost is at caller's line about Hugh Hefner being a "richest, most powerful person."
I rely more on my faith then I do on people. my faith has never disappointed me, people have.
This guy is having brainwashing withdrawals.
Keep rockin on Matt.
I notice that alot of Canadian callers call to debate in a legitimate way. In the U.S. they usually lead with smugness and gotcha questions along with name calling. I just find that interesting.
Not always for either case, however, we are fiving too much ground to religious, they are literally proven wrong just by fact, history, reason and logic, every god of religions are man made
Some of the worst callers have been Canadian, including Canadian Catholic.
@@NocturnaluxIndeed, but I think the obnoxious Canadian callers are fewer in number.
Seems like 90% of the callers are using this show as a contest of wit's.always challenging the flawless mind set of a true warrior known as Matt.
I think the caller was sincere, and appears to be a decent human being. (I don't appreciate or agree with the bashing here in the comments, very much non productive.)
And very wrong and misguided about a lot of stuff.
But sincere.
I kmow! I wanted to give him a cuddle and tell him that he was always a good person and congratulate him on turning his life around.
Not only Talk Origins. Mark should also watch Aron Ra's excellent series on how the flood is debunked by numerous measures.
It's impossible to debunk the flood.
@@mrtadreamer I'm already watching Jimmy Carr, I don't need your sad attempt at humour.
I disagree that there is nothing we can be absolutely certain about. for example: given what we know about the Empire State Building and the physiology of an 8 pound newborn, we can be absolutely certain that newborn cannot lift the Empire State Building.
i had a couple of born again christians talked to down at the beach, both said they were ex drug users and dealers. i told them that I can not hang out with them, since they might revert and try to mug me. They were not pleased.
How do you know it’s a placebo effect? Randomised control trials... also known as empirical evidence
Religion is unbelievably unbelievable
Great hosts. Lunatic caller.
Right but I’m gonna try and make up whatever bullshit i can come up with
Woah this one is brutal lol!
If (insert imaginary scenario), then (insert desired imaginary result).
You have to be more prepared when you call in to speak with Matt.
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
MARK - CANAD
AA and recovery right here. Tells addicts they can't do it, but god can. Meanwhile, they do it. (Those that are successful).
I understand the power of the vicarious redemption, but as Matt pointed out, you SHOULD care if it's true, not just that it can work if you surrender to the idea.
I love This Channel this is some real life shit
It's difficult to believe in something about which we know nothing.
It's easier to believe in the Loch Ness monster than God.
At least there is a loch and we have pictures of the monster and eye witness testimony.
We have nothing about God except wishful thinking and ancient stories.
First the bible is a historical account of how Israel came into existence
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It's a fictional account composed for political purposes.
"This land was given to us by the God of Israel"
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That's just your opinion
The reason there is so much archaeology in Jerusalem today is the Jews want to prove this was their land it also proves the bible is true.
What you have is a misguided atheist myth
ray salmon in Jerusalem there is nothing being found that proofs that jc ever lived
@@raysalmon6566 what did they find that proved the bible is true?
Oh Mark, you of little faith, IN YOURSELF ! ! ................
In John 20:25 Thomas did not believe until he had examined the risen Jesus.
I am exactly the same.
No, you evidently are not.
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I am. I want the same evidence as Thomas.
12:34. It’s the motivation.
As a teen, I went to church twice on Sunday and once on Wednesday every week. I also vandalized public property and stole $$ from my parents. I am proud to say that I became an atheist at 20, and I have not vandalized or stole $$ since I dropped god. Maybe god is why I was such a shit as a teen.
The plane exists. The pilot exists. The airport exists. I've seen airplanes fly.
There is no credible evidence that god exists.
🎶One of these things is not like the other. 🎶
Ah yes-the "shame" gambit.
I don’t want to miss out on Hugh Hefner’s party 🥺
This dude is from winnepeg, for sure